The Sussex Family General Chat Part 2

[wannable]

Andrew will never be evicted (he'd have to do an Oprah trashing his family - brother the King, etc rather than trashing himself to be 'evicted') from a crown estate property, transferred, like any of the other Dukes and Duchesses (as in books, history) whom have been 'transferred within' a crown estate property.

[Curryong]

I didn?t say in my post that Andrew will be evicted. There are other pressures, moneywise that Charles can exert on Andrew besides eviction. Pressure and persuasion with an iron glove, for this ?transfer?.

And I ask you again to provide valid sources for your allegations that the Sussex camp is involved in these rumours, considering that there have been stories from early last year at least that Andrew will be forced to leave Royal Lodge due to financial pressures. I posted a link here early today from a Feb 2022 press report.

Where are your sources for your allegations? Valid ones please, from mainstream press not Twitter.

[wannable]

There is no 'personal' moneywise pressure and persuasion from Charles to Andrew.

There is a small weakness in the RL 90 acres related to security, which isn't included in the 'fixed' installment, Charles is paying, it is very costly. Where is the weakness? Maybe Harry will disclose it in the new chapters of his book with a I want to missle my Pa? Or better yet, the unfixed will be fixed by a new tenant.  I'm talking about a weakness of the land, a weak spot of entry...security learns via caught intruders, just saying.

[HistoryGirl2]

I think Charles is going to be a whole heck of a lot less lenient with Andrew than the Queen was. He does not seem to have the time to deal with his ridiculousness, and I applaud him for it. Andrew relies heavily on Charles unless he suddenly wants to find himself a job and a home he can buy outright on his own. With his current image, I wouldn?t bet on that option. It behooves him to go along with what Charles has in mind.

He also seems to wanna tighten the money belt and get the finances in good order.

[Curryong]

There is no 'personal' moneywise pressure and persuasion from Charles to Andrew.

There is a small weakness in the RL 90 acres related to security, which isn't included in the 'fixed' installment, Charles is paying, it is very costly. Where is the weakness? Maybe Harry will disclose it in the new chapters of his book with a I want to missle my Pa? Or better yet, the unfixed will be fixed by a new tenant.  I'm talking about a weakness of the land, a weak spot of entry...security learns via caught intruders, just saying.

That new tenant may well be the Wales?s, but we shall see. And pressure can be applied to family members by cutting the annual allowance given them from the King. It?s been reported that Andrew?s annual allowance will be cut from what he now receives, 240, 000 pounds, leaving him unable to staff or maintain Royal Lodge in the future. I?d say that is a considerable pressure.

[HistoryGirl2]

It?s crazy because this story has kind of taken on a life of its own. This happened in January. We didn?t find out about it until the end of February. I think they asked BP for comment; they said no comment. And then they asked the Sussexes for comment and they said it was true.

I?m not sure that either side ?leaked? it. Maybe reporters heard rumblings and asked for comment and received one from Harry and Meghan.

[wannable]

Hmm we shall see. 

The 'safest' (huge fixed security for decades in place, etc) housing is within ''home park'' at Windsor (Windsor Castle, Frogmore House, Frogmore Cottage, Adelaide Cottage) rather than the existing houses at 'great park' at Windsor (i.e. Royal Lodge including it's 90 acres).  I've said too much. So just add one plus one of cost effectiveness knowing Charles. Andrew's security is private now, that land weakness is being paid by Charles.

Andrew IMO will do something wise, transfer.

Add on: Don't get me wrong, great park has security but it's not as iron clad as home park. Charles has also said via the media he will not leave his brother homeless. That is why I said Andrew will not be evicted but transferred. The ball is in Andrew's hands now, he can do what HistoryGirl2 said or accept FC.

[wannable]

Harry and Meghan should not complicate 'themselves'.  How great is it that when 'invited by the King' everything will be arranged for them!

IF they want to visit on their own, purchase a home, pay a private security.

But, we're talking about the couple that loves to create and stay in a soap opera.

It could be a non issue, a half page note in history books of a modern Tower of London moment, so lets see, it's a developing story.

[Kristeh-H]

I think the decision to not renew the Sussexes' lease on Frogmore Cottage was a combination of a practical business decision and a consequence of the couple's actions over the past several years.  FC is a lovely, newly renovated house and there's no reason for it to just sit empty the majority of the time if it could be put to use.  But if there's a bit of retaliation in the decision, I really don't blame Charles.  Harry and Meghan have treated the family atrociously and they can face some consequences for it, although I don't think it's really a big deal to them.  They are settled in Montecito and have a beautiful home there.

But if they wanted the King to let them keep their grace and favour home, perhaps they should have made a little effort to stay in the King's grace and favour.

[Kristeh-H]

You know, of course Harry had some trauma in growing up, with his parents' unhappy marriage and the tragedy of losing his mother and I do have sympathy for the child he was.  But I still think that at some point in his youth (and Andrew too since he also seems to have suffered from 'second son syndrome'), someone needed to give them a kick in the pants--figuratively. 

Someone should have said, "Yes, you're the second in line.  You're not going to inherit the crown.  But you still have so many incredible opportunities and privileges.  You will never have to worry about having a roof over your head and food on the table.  You have access to the best healthcare in the world.  You can receive a top notch education.  You can do meaningful work to make the world a better place (and probably not have to work nearly as hard as most people do).  Now, cut out the whining and jealousy or you will lose some privileges until you have learned to appreciate them."

I really think that would have done them both a world of good.     

[HistoryGirl2]

^ Completely agree with you, @Kristeh-H. I was actually a little surprised to see Charles make such a bold move, but like you said, I think it?s a combination of good business sense and just being fed up and wanting to move on from the unpleasantness of it all.

But yes, as a side note: Frogmore looks beautiful from the outside and I?m sure H & M decorated beautifully inside. It would be absolutely no hardship on Andrew to ask him to move there. I?ll spare a thought for the poor souls who have no home at all, not the likes of Andrew who is being offered a gorgeous home to retire to after embarrassing his whole family.

[Kristeh-H]

Yes, exactly!

[wannable]

I bet they had a wonderful and great library at FC.  By the picture moving all the 'hardcover' books and bookworm sleuths zooming in on the list. For sure.

The IKEA furniture can be donated though  :wink:

[TLLK]

Here's aerial photo of Frogmore Cottage. From viewing the few available photos, I'd never realized how large it actually is until I saw this one.

https://twitter.com/christinacann17/status/1074486156966969349

Better aerial view of Frogmore Cottage! Will be a fabulous home once renovations are complete!

[TLLK]

 

You know, of course Harry had some trauma in growing up, with his parents' unhappy marriage and the tragedy of losing his mother and I do have sympathy for the child he was.  But I still think that at some point in his youth (and Andrew too since he also seems to have suffered from 'second son syndrome'), someone needed to give them a kick in the pants--figuratively. 

Someone should have said, "Yes, you're the second in line.  You're not going to inherit the crown.  But you still have so many incredible opportunities and privileges.  You will never have to worry about having a roof over your head and food on the table.  You have access to the best healthcare in the world.  You can receive a top notch education.  You can do meaningful work to make the world a better place (and probably not have to work nearly as hard as most people do).  Now, cut out the whining and jealousy or you will lose some privileges until you have learned to appreciate them."

I really think that would have done them both a world of good.     

:goodpost:

[HistoryGirl2]

Here's aerial photo of Frogmore Cottage. From viewing the few available photos, I'd never realized how large it actually is until I saw this one.

https://twitter.com/christinacann17/status/1074486156966969349

Exactly! This isn?t some tiny little hole in the wall we?re talking about here.

[wannable]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are OK about the King's decision to evict them from Frogmore Cottage, The Times can reveal. They were not ''stunned'' at the request for them to leave their UK home and believe that 'if we need to move out, we will get ourselves out'.

The couple's reaction is in sharp contrast to reports that have claimed they were shocked at being given notice to quit their home near Windsor Castle.
It might also affect the chances of whether they decide to accept an invitation to the coronation. Until now the assumption has been that they were so upset about being told to move out that they would be unlikely to attend the ceremony at Westminster Abbey on May 6.
If they are less put out by their eviction than has been portrayed so far, it remains a possibility that one or both of them might attend.
A source close to the couple said: 'The world seems to be more distraught over it than they have been.'

Valentine Low
The Times

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Harry and Meghan are ?OK? about leaving Frogmore Cottage

[Kristeh-H]

:goodpost:

Thanks, TLLK.   :)

[Nightowl]

Absolutely nobody anywhere knows what is going on or what is happening until BP says so or Charles himself says so........everything is an assumption as we are playing at guessing house to house or games to games with people's lives.   Relationships are fragile in life be they family or friends and one thing important is that *BLOOD does not make a family just because someone is born into that family*,regardless of Harry being born into the royal family or not, he has shown he wants OUT as HE moved out of the family and very far away from the family. He will go through life being the son of a king and the brother of the next king and that is all. Nothing else and no perks, no money, hopefully no more titles for anyone,  Sometimes a family member can do so much damage and cause so much pain and hurt to the family that it is impossible to repair because all *TRUST* has been broken and love destroyed like Harry and Meghan have done for the last 3 years......just wonder how they would feel if one of their family members did that to them as what they have done to the royal family?  My guess is they would not be quiet or and hell would break loose like it has already by them to the royal family who have shown nothing but being quiet and having dignity so that there is no tit for tat war on the royal family's part.

[Amabel2]

so why do people get so excited over every story in the tabloids?

[Nightowl]

 :wacko:   That is a very good and interesting question, and I wish I knew the answer.  I like facts, just something I learned working as a certified paralegal in a divorce law firm. Maybe some like to tell stories, make up things to talk about, or stand firm for someone for  unknown reason only they know of.  Maybe it is just a way of having a silly conversation about people we will never met and can voice our likes and dislikes without them knowing.  It is the waiting game I think that draws attention to some and their events that can and does drive some people over the edge of reason.   We really have no idea what is happening until it happens do we?  Tabloids love money as most of us do yet businesses can and do influence people to say things that are untrue all because of their own beliefs or egos as I call it, clickbait seems like big business to make money.  The thing is that is how the world started out, maybe cavemen and cavewomen got together and voted for a leader and life and  times grew out of that, so monarchies have been around for thousands and thousands of years, seems like they are slowly being forced out by new ideas and time, yet their traditions, well some of them anyway are still around, holidays for one is a big way of keeping the past alive.    Gossip .....what can one say about Gossip and royals.....  :sarcastic:

[Amabel2]

that wasn't what I meant.  I mean why are royal followers so uncritical of everything they hear or read in the tabs or social media?  No matter how silly or unlikely the story, they get excited and discuss it for days...

[TLLK]

More speculation that regarding possible accommodations for the Sussexes when they visit the UK. It's being guessed that the family could make use of the DoY's former BP apartment.

Also more thoughts on "who might end up where" at Windsor but this like all other speculation articles should be taken lightly.

King Charles will offer Prince Harry and Meghan a Buckingham Palace apartment when they visit UK | Daily Mail Online

King Charles is set to offer Harry and Meghan an olive branch by allowing them to stay at Buckingham Palace when they visit Britain in the future, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are due to give up the keys to their previous British home, Frogmore Cottage in Windsor, later this year. But they may be offered Prince Andrew's old suite in the Palace ? where he once entertained the model Caprice and disgraced socialite Ghisaline Maxwell ? whenever they need it.

It is the latest move in the complex merry-go-round of royal properties set in motion by the King's plans to streamline the monarchy and remove perks from non-working Royals.

It is understood Charles has offered Frogmore to Prince Andrew, who is reluctantly set to leave the 30-room Royal Lodge mansion in Windsor where he has lived for more than 20 years.

Discussions are under way as to whether Prince William and his family might move into Royal Lodge ? which is understood to require extensive renovations ? once Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York leave.
After being asked to vacate Frogmore Cottage by the autumn, King Charles is said to be considering offering the couple access to Buckingham Palace whenever they visit the UK

Current assumptions are:

Andrew-Frogmore Cottage.

The Wales-Royal Lodge Windsor after extensive work to address damp and new roof.

The Brooksbanks-Adelaide Cottage.

The Sussexes-Andrew's old apartments at BP when needed.

For now everyone else remains in their current homes.

Wessexes-Bagshot Park

Anne/Timothy-Gatcombe with her children living on property with their famiies in separate homes.

Gloucesters/Kents to remain at KP

Alexandra-Thatched Roof Lodge

[changemhysoul]

Tbh, I don't think it matters.

I feel as if the articles about 'offering' a place is because of the blow back of the choice. It was just a bad PR move.

But even then, I don't expect them to take an offer to stay anywhere with the family. It's been said, the family doesn't trust them and they haven't trusted the family even before the interviews. I mean, even before Frogmore, they had another home they were planning for in Cotswolds, until that was leaked and photos were taken of their bedroom.

It's more of it is what it is and the media is playing it up because this is the next big thing they have to old on for the news cycle. H&M aren't really giving anything and also some of the palace favs, trying to spin the move because even they can see how bad this sorta looks but in the end, the family/charles gets what they want. H&M get their money back and there's nothing much to do about it.

[Princess Cassandra]

Here is another thought in the game of royal dwellings: It is possible that the Wales Family may want to stay put at Adelaide Cottage FOR NOW. They have already had two residences completely renovated for t hem. Taking on a third may not go over well, especially during harsh economic times.  Also, staying at Adelaide fits their attempts at providing their children as normal an upbringing as possible. It is not palace-like and offers a lot of outdoor space, while allowing them use of Windsor Castle facilities - for hosting official events, use of the stables, etc. I think Royal Lodge would be perfect for them, but I don't think it will happen for a while, if ever. Meanwhile a Sussex residence is a big issue. It is certainly "up in the air" at the moment, and whatever happens will be full of drama and is not easily predicted.