Books written about and by the Sussexes Part 3.

[Curryong]

You feel how you feel, I feel how I feel.

If you feel like the family did enough against the mountain of hate Meghan especially was getting and before the Oprah interview. Way beyond a few funny nicknames or some snarky comments here and there, then you feel that way I don't.

If you believe the family don't work closely with the media and don't have back-handed dealings, you can feel that way. I don't.

I agree with all the points in the post of  changemhmysoul , especially the above. And I will point out, Nightowl,  that Diana supposedly also got a lot of support from other members of the RF, only it turns out that when it mattered she got nothing or next to nothing, from the Queen especially.

Different circumstances, same MO in the end as was used against Meghan, the public ?see how much she is getting help from us? public PR campaign, while private white-anting goes on secretly by other royals and their friends and allies, ending with a ?freeze her out? campaign.

Not everything that people say here in support of the Sussexes is ?spin? as you put it. I, for instance have for years pointed out on this forum,  trying to show that there was little support from other royals when Meghan was pregnant and when the Sussexes were living in the Cotswolds. They were never visited once while there by the Cambridges.

There didn?t appear to be many if any visits by C+C to FC. Nor did the Cambridges call. That?s freezing out in my book and a bit of support from others then and when Meghan had just had her baby or was pregnant might have made all the difference to Meghan?s morale.

Certainly more than the gesture of taking her down the aisle in front of millions, nice though that undoubtedly was, or having photos taken at Archie?s christening for public consumption via the media, albeit looking sour and awkward (the Cambridge facial expressions on that occasion, especially William?s, told it all.)

[Nightowl]

First of all this is about Meghan only, NOT Diana as I did not mention her in my comment did I? I am not bring up something that happened 20 or 30 or 100 years ago, this is NOW.   And still no answer to my questions........and just how do we know who visited whom, was there an announcement that Charles and Camilla visited the Sussex's anywhere and the same for the Cambridge's, we do NOT know unless someone tells us so assuming there were no visits or proof of visits is just us assuming there where no visits. 

That is not good, it was more than a gesture of Charles doing that for his son, how can anyone deny that?  He graciously walked Meghan half way down the aisle and the world saw that and that was kind and compassionate and sweet of him after all Meghan went through with her father backing out...Charles helped her on her wedding day..to make things easier for her ...There is NOTHING NEGATIVE about that either.  I don't expect any fan of Harry or Meghan to be kind or nice or compassionate to the royal family  as Harry is green with envy over William being first in line for the throne.....his jealousy is so out there and in that book that it smells of it.  Oh the spins are all over the internet about Harry and the other book and even though Harry brought that on himself and has NOBODY to blame but him, that was a very cruel and ugly thing that Jimmy K did on his show........that dirt is something I would expect of Harry and Meghan to do to William yet what JK did was give them a dose of their own medicine in how cruel and hateful they have been to his dad and brother. 

The more Harry opens his mouth the more trouble he creates for himself and Meghan!

[Curryong]

Youve received three posts from two posters now on this topic, and whatever we have tried to explain about our POV you have dismissed or called irrelevant. And as for not saying anything nice about other royals I remarked in my last post that Charles taking Meghan part way down the aisle was nice. Did you not read that?
The media in the Fab Four days and afterwards would have been only to happy to report to their readers (via Palace PR) that the four were constantly visiting each other. Instead, nothing from the Press about it. And Harry himself states in Spare that when his brother and sister in law moved into their KP apartment and he was in Nott Cott he expected an invite or two every so often as relatives do.

Instead, nothing, though he could he the nanny wheeling Harry past Nott Cott when he was there again and again. And if that happened when he was single I hardly think that Will and Kate would bother going to Oxfordshire to see a new sister in law they appear to have disliked from the beginning.

And have you actually read Harry?s book? Because saying that his brother is ?trapped in the (royal) system? as he did in a previous interview, a theme that recurs throughout ?Spare?, doesn?t scream envy to me. And I have read the book in its entirety.

[Nightowl]

Yes, my neighbor bought the book and let me read it, well parts of it as she love Harry and we do not talk of Harry at all.  Tina loves the BRF period, all of them even Andrew.  Gads what I have listened to sometime........I did read your comment and yes your right, you mentioned Charles walking Meghan down the aisle, to me it was not a gesture, it was to help his son and Meghan on their wedding day after her dad pulled the crap he did on her.   It was a very thoughtful thing for Charles to do and that shows me his love for his son even if Harry thinks different.  Maybe both of them need to rewatch their wedding and see and take the feelings with them to a different level now.

I do not think William is trapped in his future role as king, he of all the people in the family was very devoted to HM and he learned from her about his life's role while they has their Sunday get to gathers.  William has grown into a mature man and even with all this hell that Harry is creating I think William will always love his brother yet for right now stay far from him as he can't trust him and no one in the royal family can.   Harry has to make changes now, the ball is in his court so to speak, yet I don't see it ever happening.   I personally know friends that that happened to and the ending was extremely sad and I pray that Harry finds a way back to normal or sane or letting go of all that anger and rage he has, it only hurt him not anyone else.  And don't you think he needs to stop hurting himself now?

[changemhysoul]

Spare went no.1 on Dutch book charts, here is the article but it's in Dutch

Boek prins Harry in Nederland bovenaan bestsellerlijst | IJmuidercourant

And in Germany there were 100,000 copies sold of which about 40,000 were on the first day

Prinz Harry holt Platz 1 bis 3

[wannable]

The book has made Harry and Meghan more unpopular in the USA.  US research survey firm Redfield & Wilton carried out the poll to US Citizens in reference to the book.

The tipping Questions  that sunk the pair

1. Diana's lipbalm to his frozen *****
2. Inclusion of private conversations with his family
3. Princess Charlotte
4. Others; inconsistency with interview or other media claims by the pair.

Prince Harry was liked by 31% and disliked by 38%, net approval -7. Drop 45%
Meghan Markle was liked by 26% and disliked by 39%, net approval -13. Drop 36%

^ As I said the #1 sale of the book is curiosity and gossip, people want to read how he sold his family down the river.

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Harry & Meghan's high-profile friends desert couple, afraid personal details will go public

^ To date no high profile friends have given a like through any of the social media or media platforms approving the book.

[TLLK]

As to how much support the Sussexes were given by the various family members of the BRF, I'd say it's very likely a matter of "Recollections may vary."   :shrug: Prince Harry's family were at one point in his words,  "The family she's never had." More than likely the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[wannable]

The lack of detail with accusations is #1

It makes it even much harder to believe the Sussexes accusations because basically the BRF gave the couple firsts; Sandringham before marriage, the fastest together duty with the Queen, their own separate office, the fastest new home from something modest.

Then there is the creation of drama for every appearance before and after.

Then there is the fact of using victimhood as a career.

[changemhysoul]

On the truth being somewhere in the middle, that's still not a good look imo. I'm summing it up with this quote, this also doesn't just apply to Clarkson, something Harry mentioned in the promotions of Spare but to Meghan's time in the BRF.

"You can't claim silence is "dignified" when the silence is in response to abuse and racism. You also can't claim the silence is dignified when you have an entire media apparatus instigating that abuse and racism on your behalf.

People from almost every esteemed institution in the United Kingdom condemned Jeremy Clarkson, but the British Royal Family remained silent despite the original op-ed being written in their defense by someone connected to them. That is not dignified silence, that is covert approval."

It's hard for me to believe (just as it's hard for people to believe H&M) that they cared or showed support when not once in in 6 years have they, anyone from the top. The more important people that people love to point out Harry and Meghan are not, are silence.

That silence speaks volumes. It's a silence that might not speak to most people on this forum, royal watchers and etc but it does speak. The message might not be for those that fall into those categories but a world exists outside of that and that silence is heard loud and clear.

Also

Spare is now a New York best seller for both Hardcover and e-books and audio.

https://twitter.com/randomhouse/status/1615835297073307692

[Curryong]

Excellent news. People all over the world are buying this book.

[wannable]

What institution? The only concerned parties are involved. Amazon Prime and ITV, his actual employers.

[Nightowl]

*Silence* well my belief is that *Silence is golden* for we can learn so much by being quiet and listening to others speak. 

Harry grew up in the royal family, he eat with them, played with them, vacationed with them, he did everything with this family and he knows darn well that they will NOT play *tit for tat* either so he shouts to the heavens all his lies.  There is no way anyone can say he has NOT lied for there are so many lies it is pitiful as he can't remember them all and neither can Meghan. 

And books are selling......so what does that tell us?   Harry is making MONEY and that is one of his goals as that is all he knows, he has NO JOB skills and he sure would not flip burgers for a living at min wage now would he?  So keep telling lies and make up gossip about his family to sell more books.  Yet in selling more books beside MONEY what does that say about Harry?  Books of LIES make money yet it does something else and is not good for Harry.....LOL

[Nightowl]

As to how much support the Sussexes were given by the various family members of the BRF, I'd say it's very likely a matter of "Recollections may vary."   :shrug: Prince Harry's family were at one point in his words,  "The family she's never had." More than likely the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I saw Charles walking Meghan half way down the aisle,, I saw him make sure Dora was well taken care of during the wedding, I saw a very beautiful wedding put on by the royal family, I read that Harry said to his dad when he handed over Meghan to Harry, *Thanks Pa*,  and so much more......if that is NOT supporting Harry and Meghan I don't know what is. 

That is what families do for their families....and this about Knot Cottage, they are newly weds, did they expect a castle or a palace to live in.....even W/C lived there at one time and they did not complain how small it was nor were they embarrassed by it.  There is certainly nothing wrong with IKEA furniture for a couple of years as that is what most couples do,  start small and build up to something larger in time.....that to me is sensible and a form of planning for the future.

Neither of them are gracious nor have any gratitude for that they have in life, all the money in the world, all the attention and praise from strangers  who are their fans will not help their self-esteem or give them confidence.  They project an emptiness in themselves to me.

[TLLK]

On the truth being somewhere in the middle, that's still not a good look imo. I'm summing it up with this quote, this also doesn't just apply to Clarkson, something Harry mentioned in the promotions of Spare but to Meghan's time in the BRF.

"You can't claim silence is "dignified" when the silence is in response to abuse and racism. You also can't claim the silence is dignified when you have an entire media apparatus instigating that abuse and racism on your behalf.

People from almost every esteemed institution in the United Kingdom condemned Jeremy Clarkson, but the British Royal Family remained silent despite the original op-ed being written in their defense by someone connected to them. That is not dignified silence, that is covert approval."

It's hard for me to believe (just as it's hard for people to believe H&M) that they cared or showed support when not once in in 6 years have they, anyone from the top. The more important people that people love to point out Harry and Meghan are not, are silence.

That silence speaks volumes. It's a silence that might not speak to most people on this forum, royal watchers and etc but it does speak. The message might not be for those that fall into those categories but a world exists outside of that and that silence is heard loud and clear.

Also

Spare is now a New York best seller for both Hardcover and e-books and audio.

https://twitter.com/randomhouse/status/1615835297073307692

@changemhysoul - The "top" provided Prince Harry and later the Duke and Duchess of Sussex with the funding to engage the necessary staff and communication team members to assist him/them with crafting and issuing statements to the public and press as well as all of his/their written communication.  That is vital  support and it is well documented that Prince Harry had it there for him since he was an adult. Now that  was there for him and later the couple.  Part of learning your role as a senior royal is consider how and when you wish to make  a public statement. Prince Harry later his fiance then wife had several people working for them to promote their work with their domestic and foreign engagements, their personal announcements ie: pregnancy and birth of Archie. Harry's and later the Sussexes' team did their work in highlighting the couple's programs such as the Invictus Games, The Hub cookbook, Harry's conservation work, Meghan's activities with her patronages etc...The couple also had their own social media account Sussex Royal which is exceptional when your consider the majority of the BRF were covered only by The Royal Family social media. Only two other groups:  Clarence House (Charles/Camilla) and Kensingtion Palace had their accounts.

The monarch has rarely issued public statements regarding the individual adult members of the family who perform royal duties as they know that they have the opportunity and the professionals there to assist them in doing so. As to why the Sussexes chose not to make public statements on a variety of issues that concerned them, only they can answer that question. They had the means and opportunity to do so.

Now as to personal support from the various family members regarding the interpersonal relationships, the "top" tends to stay out of family dynamics unless advice is requested. After all these  are adults who can navigate their own relationships and private interactions.

[wannable]

^ 19 staffers ONLY for the Sussexes located at BP and most importantly chosen by the duo!!!. They too were thrown under the bus (some of them allegedly bullied).  The professional victimhood duo ''nitpick'' even their own staff by stating they were ours ''BUT SINCE'' they were located at Buckingham Palace excuse our paranoia says they are spies...this is why there is Silence, No Tit for Tat.  Narcissists always always seek a word, a phrase, they can play and twist to ''humiliate''. Like no skill writer Jeremy Clarkson, who is better in acting than as a columnist* (later to that).

When an individual has  a pattern of multiple incidents, people start paying attention, it comes to a point of their popularity in both the UK/USA, Queen Camilla for the first time (in BRF history) is above BOTH the Sussexes. Incredible.

In reference to the poor ''communication'' writing skills of Jeremy, his idea lost in context and translation  :happy15: 

He should have wrote it direct in plain and simple English

During Episode 2, Netflix Meghan says Bowing (mocking at the same time) is Medieval.

JC should have, could have said: Since for Meghan bowing and mocking it, is Medieval, during that period it was considered an offense, akin to HBO series Game of Thrones, when Cersei Lannister was made to walk naked for her sins.

Clarkson is an idiot is an idiot is an idiot.  Anyway, to be or not to be, apparently Amazon Prime will show his season 2 and off you go (not easily done and said as he co-owns the several shows he has with that streaming service).

*****
In reference to the Sussexes staffers, Neil Sean said last night that both KP staffers and Sussexes staffers have more than a dozen of notes/letters from Catherine to Meghan offering friendship, assistance, whatever you need.  Tie this to the latest article in reference to Samantha Cohen recommendation to 'all'' staffers to record, cc,  every work requested by the duo or done by the staffers for the duo to protect their jobs (and sanity). Just in case, this is a NORMAL practice in every company worldwide. So, according to Neil, Kate's notes and letters had its copy signed as received by the Sussexes staff, MM rejected them all. Hence also in that latest article in reference to Samantha Cohen, 'the couple, especially Megs, they really didn't want anything to work out since day 1. As a reminder there are receipts of dates/registrations of meetings with Oprah, Netflix, Archewell, SussexRoyal, etc. etc. etc. that DID start since even before the couple got married.

[wannable]

^The Sussexes had 365 days/1 Year to counterattack the media for EACH alleged article they felt minor offended or hugely offended with their staff. What was Sara Latham used for? when Meghan retained her Sunshine Sach, her lawyer, her California ''working'' contacts?!!!  Do not forget, Google is our friend.

The media made 'over exiting' (fact) that Meghan's new Comms secretary Sara Latham worked for many years for Hilary Clinton. That tells one that she ain't incompetent.

[changemhysoul]

64,000 copies sold in Australia during the first week of Spare

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[Kristeh-H]

"Silence is betrayal," Harry says.  But Harry and Meghan deliberately implied that the Royal Family is racist in the Oprah interview, by saying that Archie's title and security were tied to race, which is a flat-out lie.  But then they remain silent for almost two years before Harry does an about-face and says he doesn't believe the family is racist, and blames it all on the press instead of accepting any responsibility for his and Meghan's words.  Why didn't they speak out earlier, when the press was questioning William if the family is racist?  They've had a long time to correct the press, if they had wished to. 

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

And the IKEA furniture dig is ridiculous.  There's nothing wrong with IKEA and in any case, Harry neglects to mention that both he and Meghan were millionaires in their right and could have easily bought themselves different furnishings if they had chosen to do so.  I cannot believe a word either of them say.  They seem very dishonest.

[changemhysoul]

"Silence is betrayal," Harry says.  But Harry and Meghan deliberately implied that the Royal Family is racist in the Oprah interview, by saying that Archie's title and security were tied to race, which is a flat-out lie.  But then they remain silent for almost two years before Harry does an about-face and says he doesn't believe the family is racist, and blames it all on the press instead of accepting any responsibility for his and Meghan's words.  Why didn't they speak out earlier, when the press was questioning William if the family is racist?  They've had a long time to correct the press, if they had wished to. 

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

And the IKEA furniture dig is ridiculous.  There's nothing wrong with IKEA and in any case, Harry neglects to mention that both he and Meghan were millionaires in their right and could have easily bought themselves different furnishings if they had chosen to do so.  I cannot believe a word either of them say.  They seem very dishonest.

I mean, at the very least Harry has come out and denied that they were racist. You can say he walked-backed, changed his mind or whatever but he spoken up in defense of them at point (something I don't believe is deserved and he needs to work on understanding racism and uncurious bias are not different. Because it doesn't look like the family or palace staff as worked to better that) and yet, still extreme silence on their side when one of the Queen Consort friend's publicly called for extreme violence on a woman. And I'm sorry but the family had a good 2-3 years on the Oprah interview to do something about that silence. And in my view, way more important than the British Media who said he called the family racist when nor Meghan did. And it is the press's fault, because that's how they chose to spin it. It was just once, the negative spin wasn't hurtful to H&M but to the Royal family.

In the world in which, being called or implied to be racist is worse than than the actual racism, which the family is still mum about. Even then, the Oprah interview was no where as hateful, harmful or inciting violence as what Meghan faced from the moment people found out about her.

So, yeah. Quote still applies, I still stand by what I said. I'm not going to ask why Harry didn't come out bat swinging for his family when they've allowed worse to be said and done in their name, to defend them, to protect them than anything H&M has ever said or people around them have said.

You can believe they're dishonest, just as I feel the family is dishonest.

The IKEA stuff is whatever. Harry was cash-poor and less than stellar digs. Meghan used her own money to fix up the place (something you called out and Harry touched on) and was/is painted as a gold-digger when the house she left was better the cottage. And it's fine for Harry to say he was embarrassed about how his home looked given his background and the homes of his family members. I'm glad he cleared that up but overall, I just don't care enough about that.

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

Mainly, I came back to correct myself.

Spare sold 64,150 copies in the print format and 120,000 copies across all mediums in the first week of sales in Australia.

[wannable]

Me me me me me is the operative word.  The duo cherrypick the BRF because they know the latter will not go low for a tit for tat soap opera, can you imagine if they did - making the Monarchy a branch of the Kardashian type or the Housewives of California.  :sarcastic: rather than the ''Constitutional Monarchy'' of the UK!

The only way to deal with narcissists is to completely ignore them, any bit or piece given, they use it/find a way to humiliate (sadistic, they've done it source: Spare, Tom Bower and Valentine Low's book, Netflix, The Cut too) their victims. The fact is narcissists are treated in halfway houses (as a resident rather than by appointment) or if loose in society/ignore them the most and best possible way to not let them near your loved ones or catch them into their mental illness (for many countries there is a law of making the patient go involuntarily by proof of acts).

Objective fact rather than a subjective theory from the most prominent group of psychiatric individuals worldwide. It takes decades of ''data'' to make it a fact, just saying.

The ^ is a perfect example, Meghan left out (Harry's Spare) that she was reimbursed by the Firm through expense report.  Stating lies to convince people about poor me.  At the same time she wants (also Harry) desperately the tit for tat. They want KP in this particular case to come out with the ''receipts'' of the expense report. The next thing a narcissist will do is ''you see, they gave the expense report to the media, they ''leak'' to the media'' twisting and turning every single thing into a dramatic soap opera. There is many examples of their twisted mind set,

Like Jason, who gave evidence at a court of law. Since it's ''no bueno'' for Meghan, her Sussexsquad, Omid, Jack and Max, the latter 2 no more, were pushing a narrative that Jason is a traitor rather than Meghan lied.   

[HistoryGirl2]

The conversation about ?silence being betrayal? is an interesting one. I could pick out individual instances and debate them, but I don?t really see the point. What I do wonder is the overall picture this paints of the royal family, not about individuals.

I thought some of the most undignified moments for this family was Charles and Diana going at each other through their respective mouthpieces in the media. It wasn?t so much what they said (even though that was distasteful) but the idea of two very wealthy, privileged people moaning about their personal life. Don?t get me wrong, I know rich, privileged people have problems, too. But do the masses find listening to them complain about it palatable? I tend to believe they don?t.

So, let?s fast forward to Meghan and Harry. Harry wanted the royal family to defend Meghan every time the media ?crossed the line.? But would that have been a wise move from the perspective of the monarchy? To declare war with the papers to protect the feelings of a family member? A relatively minor one at that? And I know, I know, everyone is equal, she?s family, family should protect each other, etc. etc. etc. But let?s not be naive; the royal family isn?t just a family and they?re not just your run of the mill people. Their main job is to ensure the continuation of the monarchy. We may dislike that, think it?s mean, unfair, unkind and any other negative thing, but it doesn?t change the reality that this is the truth.

Protecting the monarchy requires sacrifice. It?s the trade off for having those lovely palaces and privileges. It?s oftentimes cruel and unfair, but the very concept of monarchy is also cruel and unfair. I would actually respect and understand Harry?s perspective if he was saying he wanted the end of the monarchy because it would end the injustice of it all. But he?s not saying that. And I think he?s not saying that because he rather enjoys the good aspects of being a prince. Interesting that he fails to mention the unfairness of him being in such a privileged position even though others are brighter, more creative, talented and just as charismatic.

So back to my original point, if he wants the monarchy to continue, what future does he envision for it if it spends all day defending its individual members that don?t hold the crown? Constantly making themselves seem like martyrs? Constantly making it seem like it?s such an awful burden to be a royal? Putting family members? feelings at the fore instead of the focus being on their acts of service? Does he really think that this would endear the family to the public? Has he even thought beyond the ?my wife?s feelings are hurt? part? I doubt it. It?s not natural to. It takes duty and sacrifice to. I would have thought this had been taught to him since he was a child.

And Harry and Meghan are not the first or only members of the family to do this, by the way. Just the latest and loudest. It?s not a good look.

One thing the Queen seemed to understand better than anyone was exactly that. No one wants to hear privileged people complain. It is not a winning strategy. You try to fight the media, you will lose, and princes need the media now more than ever.

Meghan?s complaints about her treatment by the media may be valid, but Harry is crazy if he thinks his family ?standing up for her? would have made a bit of difference. Or it may have, but certainly not in her favor and most certainly not in the favor of the monarchy.

[wannable]

2011 A future princess practices with a plastic toy tiara with her hairdresser, nobody gets to know until late Nov 2018 (Charles at 70 book release)

2018 A future princess goes bonkers because she had to ask appointment/sign a slip/Angela get two security dudes to watch the tiara which usually if you fill out the appointment request on a Monday, Angela will have it ready in 48 hours. Angela (the latest version) dropped everything she was doing, ran to KP, got MM to sign the slip, but all hell was already broken with the duo because Megs had shown up earlier at BP with her hairdresser asking for the priceless tiara just like that :baby: :baby: (by the book, she has thrown herself several times to the floor crying) in the process Harry 'what happened' - goes bonkers with Megs news (very likely her version cut up and stiched up), the whispering at BP and the Tower of London reaches the janitor who tells Robert, what Meghan wants Meghan gets, still discussed today by the Media and the Sussexes.

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Another example of Individual vs Monarchy. Add in the mix, it is a firm. A company if you will, which has it's rules and regulations.

[TLLK]

64,000 copies sold in Australia during the first week of Spare

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No doubt Penguin Publishing is thrilled with these numbers.

[TLLK]

"Silence is betrayal," Harry says.  But Harry and Meghan deliberately implied that the Royal Family is racist in the Oprah interview, by saying that Archie's title and security were tied to race, which is a flat-out lie.  But then they remain silent for almost two years before Harry does an about-face and says he doesn't believe the family is racist, and blames it all on the press instead of accepting any responsibility for his and Meghan's words.  Why didn't they speak out earlier, when the press was questioning William if the family is racist?  They've had a long time to correct the press, if they had wished to. 

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

And the IKEA furniture dig is ridiculous.  There's nothing wrong with IKEA and in any case, Harry neglects to mention that both he and Meghan were millionaires in their right and could have easily bought themselves different furnishings if they had chosen to do so.  I cannot believe a word either of them say.  They seem very dishonest.

I have never understood why the Ikea furniture was an issue while the couple lived at NC.

[HistoryGirl2]

^ Me neither, but then again, most of the things he complains about are perceived through the lens of William always gets treated better than me. Partially true, I?m sure, but a) has no one explained the concept of primogeniture to him? and b) it?s furniture. Get over it.