Andrew and new Epstein Trial

Blue Clover · November 17, 2019, 12:22:41 AM

@sara8150 Thanks for all the articles! :flower: It doesn't look like this is going away anytime soon!

Curryong · November 17, 2019, 01:05:29 AM

No it doesn't look like going away at all, and the general consensus online from everyone I've read is that the interview at BP was an absolute disaster. I haven't read one single person saying that they have become convinced of Andrew's innocence through his demeanour or his statements in it. One person wrote that if she had a dollar for every time he evaded or ducked a question and weaved or denied then was corrected, she'd be able to pay for a nice lunch!

It might be a good idea if both he and his 'ever-loving' ex and defender holed themselves up in their Swiss chalet for the next twenty years or so, IMO.

Blue Clover · November 17, 2019, 02:47:03 AM

Curryong,

Wow! I thought this interview would fail but I bet Andrew thought otherwise. That's the sad part, he probably really believed that one interview would separate himself from the situation and he could then go back to his Royal duties. He also paraded Fergie out in front of the media to say "this giant of a principled man."

I really like your idea of Fergie and Andrew moving to a Swiss chalet, it would certainly save the Queen any more embarrassment.

Curryong · November 17, 2019, 03:32:15 AM

I don't think the Queen feels embarrassment about Andrew. She believes his denials of doing anything wrong sexually, I'm sure. Otherwise there wouldn't be the beaming smiles from both in their car on the way to Church and he wouldn't have been chosen as her escort on the recent British Legion Concert.

However Royah Nikka of The Times is reporting that Andrew's recently hired spin doctor threw up his hands and left after he clashed with the Duke's Private Sec. There was a lot of debate among Andrew's team about how to stop the damage. She was eager to see her boss do this interview and the spin doctor advised against it. Guess who won!

The Duke has been touchy of late it seems. He accused KP early last month (according to The Times) of leaking negative items about him.

The Queen's aides were alarmed about Andrew doing this interview and CH felt it wasn't a good idea either, according to the same source, The Times. So, happy times among the Royal Households!

Now this has gone down like a lead balloon, Beatrice can say goodbye to any expensive wedding of TV coverage of it, at least, according to most people online.

sara8150 · November 17, 2019, 04:12:12 AM

Quote from: Curryong on November 17, 2019, 03:32:15 AM
I don't think the Queen feels embarrassment about Andrew. She believes his denials of doing anything wrong sexually, I'm sure. Otherwise there wouldn't be the beaming smiles from both in their car on the way to Church and he wouldn't have been chosen as her escort on the recent British Legion Concert.

However Royah Nikka of The Times is reporting that Andrew's recently hired spin doctor threw up his hands and left after he clashed with the Duke's Private Sec. There was a lot of debate among Andrew's team about how to stop the damage. She was eager to see her boss do this interview and the spin doctor advised against it. Guess who won!

The Duke has been touchy of late it seems. He accused KP early last month (according to The Times) of leaking negative items about him.

The Queen's aides were alarmed about Andrew doing this interview and CH felt it wasn't a good idea either, according to the same source, The Times. So, happy times among the Royal Households!

Now this has gone down like a lead balloon, Beatrice can say goodbye to any expensive wedding of TV coverage of it, at least, according to most people online.

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Prince Andrew 'categorically' denies sex claims - BBC News

Prince Andrew on Epstein: 'There was no indication' - BBC News

Prince Andrew interview: 'I don't remember this' - BBC News

As it happened: Prince Andrew Newsnight interview on allegations - BBC News

Prince Andrew: 'I couldn't have slept with Virginia Roberts-Giuffre, I was at Pizza Express'

Prince Andrew: 'I don't regret our friendship, but it's been a constant sore'

Prince Andrew denies sex with 17-year-old: 'I went to Pizza Express that day' | UK News | Sky News

Prince Andrew: It might not be my hand in photo with 17-year-old | UK News | Sky News

Prince Andrew: I didn?t have sex with teenager, I was at home after pizza party | UK news | The Guardian

High-stakes gamble on TV interview over Epstein backfires on Duke of York | UK news | The Guardian

Transcript: Prince Andrew on the Epstein scandal | UK news | The Guardian

What is the excuse for this misogynistic nonsense served up in a gilded chamber? | Catherine Bennett | UK news | The Guardian

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Prince Andrew health: Being shot at in Falklands War gave him 'peculiar' sweat condition | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Piers Morgan hits out at ?toe-curling bulls***? from Prince Andrew ?insane? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Andrew invited Epstein to Princess Beatrice's 18th birthday AFTER warrant issued | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Andrew questions if Virginia Roberts photo is FAKE as he 'doesn?t hug as a royal' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Royals told Prince Andrew to cut all ties with Epstein 'I had to show leadership' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Andrew: I don't recall meeting accuser, I don't recall photo and I deny any sexual contact whatsoever - ITV News

PR expert on Duke of York interview: It was like watching a man in quicksand - ITV News

Duke?s bid to defend reputation after Epstein scandal branded ?disastrous? - ITV News

Prince Andrew: I do not regret my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, even now ? Royal Central

Prince Andrew: I can?t have had sex with Virginia Roberts because I was at Pizza Express ? Royal Central

Prince Andrew reveals peculiar medical condition in BBC interview ? Royal Central

Praise for Emily Maitlis following her forensic interview of Prince Andrew ? Royal Central

Prince Andrew says he stayed at Jeffrey Epstein?s mansion because in hindsight he was ?too honourable? ? Royal Central

Prince Andrew: I do not regret my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, even now ? Royal Central

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10360234/prince-andrew-epstein-interview-virginia-roberts/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10361721/prince-andrew-bbc-interview-jeffrey-epstein-empathy/

sandy · November 17, 2019, 02:31:01 PM

NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.

sara8150 · November 17, 2019, 03:03:49 PM

Quote from: sandy on November 17, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.

Damn and oh Wow!!😯😧😲😬🤐🤫🤔

Piers Morgan brands Prince Andrew 'insane' for agreeing to disastrous TV interview | Daily Mail Online

Prince Andrew addresses Jeffrey Epstein scandal as Sarah Ferguson publicly supports him | HELLO!

amabel · November 17, 2019, 04:12:07 PM

sounds like no one has a good word to say for Andrew after this

Blue Clover · November 17, 2019, 04:28:35 PM

Quote from: Curryong on November 17, 2019, 03:32:15 AM
I don't think the Queen feels embarrassment about Andrew. She believes his denials of doing anything wrong sexually, I'm sure. Otherwise there wouldn't be the beaming smiles from both in their car on the way to Church and he wouldn't have been chosen as her escort on the recent British Legion Concert.

However Royah Nikka of The Times is reporting that Andrew's recently hired spin doctor threw up his hands and left after he clashed with the Duke's Private Sec. There was a lot of debate among Andrew's team about how to stop the damage. She was eager to see her boss do this interview and the spin doctor advised against it. Guess who won!

The Duke has been touchy of late it seems. He accused KP early last month (according to The Times) of leaking negative items about him.

The Queen's aides were alarmed about Andrew doing this interview and CH felt it wasn't a good idea either, according to the same source, The Times. So, happy times among the Royal Households!

Now this has gone down like a lead balloon, Beatrice can say goodbye to any expensive wedding of TV coverage of it, at least, according to most people online.

Good post! She may be in denial about her beloved Prince Andrew but that may not be enough to protect him in the long run. Do you think there will be any damage to the Crown and ultimately the Queen because of this Epstein scandal?

@sara8150 Thank you for posting all the articles! So many articles are being written!

Quote from: sandy on November 17, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.

It looks like this will rub off on the wedding plans and preparation.

Princess Cassandra · November 17, 2019, 05:33:54 PM

Though not an Andrew fan, I feel uncomfortable about reading all the press comments. I look forward to the legal process to see if he is guilty or not; this interview doesn't sway me either way. Though I'm not sure why, he doesn't express himself in the same way most of us do. He comes off as arrogant, and I'm not sure that he really is. He is showing that he comes from a different culture, a holdover from a time when royals never were wrong or apologized for anything. He is out of step, but that tells us nothing about his guilt.

amabel · November 17, 2019, 05:41:17 PM

he is guilty of association with a man who behaved vilely, trafficking and procuring yong girls for sex. He should have quietly retired and the queen should have insisted on this. It seems like she still thinks far too well of Andrew...

oak_and_cedar · November 17, 2019, 06:20:09 PM

This quote is a "gem":

"He added that the photograph appeared as though it had been taken upstairs in Ghislaine Maxwell's house, and said that was somewhere he never went - in another questioning remark about the image.

'Listen, I don?t remember, I don?t remember that photograph ever being taken,' he said.

'I don?t remember going upstairs in the house because that photograph was taken upstairs.'

And referring to his hand in the photograph, he said: 'From the investigations that we?ve done, you can?t prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph.

'So it?s very difficult to be able to prove it but I don?t remember that photograph ever being taken.' "

Prince Andrew responds to says Falklands War left him unable to sweat | Daily Mail Online

The infamous picture was a "photograph of a photograph of a photograph" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So he did his own investigations and came up with theories but still won't cooperate with the authorities.

He needs to leave the RF IMO. Him and his ex-wife only care about themselves it seems. Shameful.

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Quote from: sandy on November 17, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.

His entire family are on their way of becoming social outcasts. I am merely speculating but who knows if there will even be a wedding? I can't imagine someone wanting to be associatiated with in-laws that have accusations like these hanging over them.

sara8150 · November 17, 2019, 06:45:23 PM

The Queen looks elegant in a turquoise ensemble as attend a Sunday service in Windsor | Daily Mail Online
HM Queen not pleasure on Duke of York?s scandal and interview!!

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Prince Andrew Opens Up About His Friendship With Jeffrey Epstein In Bombshell Interview | PEOPLE.com

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Prince Andrew stands by 'car-crash' Jeffrey Epstein BBC interview - BBC News

Prince Andrew BBC interview: Six things we learned - BBC News

Prince Andrew's Newsnight interview branded 'disastrous' and 'excruciating' | UK News | Sky News

Prince Andrew on the photograph, meeting the sex offender and the four-day house stay | UK News | Sky News

Prince Andrew had the chance to say his relationship with Epstein was a mistake - but he didn't | UK News | Sky News

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Prince Andrew: There was 'no indication' that Jeffrey Epstein was doing anything wrong - CNN

Prince Andrew sparks near-universal condemnation with TV interview - CNN

wannable · November 17, 2019, 07:45:19 PM

I feel bad for the Queen (Philip, Beatrice and Eugenie), at the grand old age and having to see this at the final stage of her lifetime.

TLLK · November 17, 2019, 09:29:03 PM

83% of people say Prince Andrew should step back from royal duties following calamitous Newsnight interview ? Royal Central

dianab · November 17, 2019, 09:37:58 PM

^i doubt the queen cares about polls like that... but in future, charles will deal with andrew ... no doubt...

sara8150 · November 17, 2019, 11:00:17 PM

Quote from: wannable on November 17, 2019, 07:45:19 PM
I feel bad for the Queen (Philip, Beatrice and Eugenie), at the grand old age and having to see this at the final stage of her lifetime.

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I'm A Celebrity's Ant and Dec mock Prince Andrew's 'sweat' comment after Newsnight disaster - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew must be probed by police over TV interview sex claims, ex-top cop says - Mirror Online

Queen 'did not approve' Prince Andrew's Epstein interview in Buckingham Palace - Mirror Online

Kerry Katona compares Prince Andrew on Newsnight to her 'car crash' This Morning interview - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew 'defends car-crash Jeffrey Epstein Newsnight interview' - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew 'could be cut out of core royal circle when Charles becomes king' - Mirror Online

Sarah Ferguson struck deal with paedo Jeffrey Epstein to pay off ?15,000 of debt - Mirror Online

Queen fails to raise a smile in first public appearance since son Andrew's interview - Mirror Online

Weirdest things spotted in Prince Andrew's car-crash Jeffrey Epstein interview - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew 'evasive and heavily coached' in BBC grilling says body language expert - Mirror Online

The Queen will support Prince Andrew - but will not be happy, royal expert says - Ingrid Seward - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew must be probed by police over TV interview sex claims, ex-top cop says - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew adviser 'facing questions over position' after car crash interview - Mirror Online

Carol Vorderman pours scorn on Prince Andrew's denials in extraordinary interview - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew's media advisor quit two weeks ago after warning him not to do interview - Mirror Online

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Prince Andrew makes craziest claim yet as he tells the Queen his car crash TV sex quiz was ?a great success? ? The Sun

Ant and Dec mock Prince Andrew's bizarre claim he 'doesn't sweat' in cheeky I'm a Celebrity opener

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I'm A Celebrity: Declan Donnelly MOCKS Prince Andrew for claiming he 'doesn't sweat' | Daily Mail Online

BEL MOONEY: My heart breaks for the Queen after Prince Andrew's TV interview | Daily Mail Online

A look inside the Mayfair club where Prince Andrew is alleged to have danced with Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online

Prince Andrew 'stands by his decision to give BBC interview' | Daily Mail Online

wannable · November 18, 2019, 02:06:37 PM

This will be good!

US Congress inquiry to ABC

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US Congress cracks down on ABC News for ?Epstein coverup,? demands to know WHO killed the story and WHY
We believe that uncovering the source of the information is incomparably less important than the possibility of exposing the source of a human trafficking operation.

US Congress cracks down on ABC News for ?Epstein coverup,? demands to know WHO killed the story and WHY

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Piers Morgan also saying there is a huge crisis in Buckingham Palace, and added this in his today article

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I?m sure the Queen will realize that Andrew?s confessional makes all of Meghan and Harry?s hypocritical hijinks this year pale into insignificance.
This is a very serious crisis for the Royal Family, one Andrew just made a gazillion times worse.
It?s surely unthinkable that any charity he works with will want to continue the association after this disaster that raises so many more questions than it answered?
The only way Andrew can truly close it down in the way he wishes is for him to now co-operate fully with the FBI investigating Epstein?s crimes ? and testify under oath as to what he saw, knew and did.
He can also authorize the Royal Protection Squad who would have been with him the entire time, to also speak to the FBI and tell them what they saw, and what they logged in official records.
They will know when and where every pizza?s been eaten, what nightclubs were attended on what day and what time, and details of every woman with whom Andrew?s ever had any kind of sexual encounter.
Every movement by the senior royals is filed by their cops.
They were there.
They know.
And until Prince Pinocchio exposes himself and his protection officers to proper FBI interrogation, then the stench of guilt will lurk around him so strongly he will be rendered unfit for purpose as a working royal.

sandy · November 18, 2019, 03:04:10 PM

Piers makes the understatement of the year in that first sentence, IMO. It was serious to begin with. What if Prince Andrew commits perjury in his confessions to the authorities? So many issues here.

sara8150 · November 18, 2019, 03:36:33 PM

wannable · November 18, 2019, 04:00:46 PM

It must be a psychological horror feeling for Princess Beatrice. I wish her wedding is not postponed. Couldn't Charles or William (he invited her to his Centrepoint 50th anniversary, Kitty Spenser and Bea were at the gala with/supporting) be the sort of guardian parent?

Prince Andrew is doomed, there is nothing anyone nor Buckingham Palace will be able to do to 'clean' his image.

sara8150 · November 18, 2019, 04:16:57 PM

Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
It must be a psychological horror feeling for Princess Beatrice. I wish her wedding is not postponed. Couldn't Charles or William (he invited her to his Centrepoint 50th anniversary, Kitty Spenser and Bea were at the gala with/supporting) be the sort of guardian parent?

Prince Andrew is doomed, there is nothing anyone nor Buckingham Palace will be able to do to 'clean' his image.

Prince Andrew interview: Could Beatrice?s wedding be POSTPONED amid fallout? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Andrew news: Duke warned interview will overshadow Princess Beatrice's wedding | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Andrew accused of using ?N-word? during meeting with Downing Street aide | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
Warned to administrators and moderator about no N or R in forums don?t says anything about that or remove this forums per @Blue Clover kept zipit 🤐🤫

But we have wait and see till Beatrice and Eduardo will still going on their wedding or postponed wedding due their dad?s bbc scandal interview stay tuned 🙏🏻🤞🏻

sandy · November 18, 2019, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
It must be a psychological horror feeling for Princess Beatrice. I wish her wedding is not postponed. Couldn't Charles or William (he invited her to his Centrepoint 50th anniversary, Kitty Spenser and Bea were at the gala with/supporting) be the sort of guardian parent?

Prince Andrew is doomed, there is nothing anyone nor Buckingham Palace will be able to do to 'clean' his image.

Will could be a "big brother" to her.

Will there be a Fergie-Andrew wedding right after this?

wannable · November 18, 2019, 05:51:48 PM

Well yes because of their age ''big brother'' guardian, but:

Prince Andrew case MAY be discussed and
1. Privy Council only needs a quorum of 3 (i.e. 1 royal, 1 Prime Minister, 1 Opposing Labour leader) to make an act of parliament to remove him from the line of succession
2. via the treason act, today Crime and Disorder Act 1998 if found guilty
3. Charles and William would automatically be responsible of Bea/Eugenie

Although I doubt the USA FBI (they aren't calling Bill nor Donald, so why will they call on Andrew?!) will do anything to request his presence or that of his Met Police RPO's to deliver the book of records. Piers Morgan is right, they have to record absolutely everything they do date/time/stops/who/what/where, etc.

sara8150 · November 18, 2019, 05:53:33 PM

Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2019, 05:51:48 PM
Well yes because of their age ''big brother'' guardian, but:

Prince Andrew case MAY be discussed and
1. Privy Council only needs a quorum of 3 (i.e. 1 royal, 1 Prime Minister, 1 Opposing Labour leader) to make an act of parliament to remove him from the line of succession
2. via the treason act, today Crime and Disorder Act 1998 if found guilty
3. Charles and William would automatically be responsible of Bea/Eugenie

Although I doubt the USA FBI (they aren't calling Bill nor Donald, so why will they call on Andrew?!) will do anything to request his presence or that of his Met Police RPO's to deliver the book of records. Piers Morgan is right, they have to record absolutely everything they do date/time/stops/who/what/where, etc.

You?re right about that!! Stay tuned