Harry & Megan - Part 2

[Lady Deb]

^ Or trying to spin why she hates Megan as much as the whole Internet does ... who knows ... one thing is for sure ... this will end in tears FOR Prince Dim ... it will be a long time before the public forgives him this time around ...

The public is grateful for Harry supporting and bringing attention to many important causes, like the 3 charities he visited today in Leicester. Many were touched as his mother also visited one of the charities 26 years ago.  Prince Harry visits Leicester | The Royal Family

I hope that Harry and Meghan will have much happiness.

[Curryong]

^ Or trying to spin why she hates Megan as much as the whole Internet does ... who knows ... one thing is for sure ... this will end in tears FOR Prince Dim ... it will be a long time before the public forgives him this time around ...

The whole internet doesn't hate Harry. Don't be ridiculous. You think people who are buying and selling online, or are on sites connected to cold crime cases or US politics or astronomy or antiques or a thousand other sites are all pounding their computers with rage because Harry is dating MM?

The only people who've expressed hatred of Harry are some silly little anons on Tumblr sites who can't get over the fact that Harry isn't dating the future Duchess of their dreams.

Well, I've got news for them and for you. People are still coming out to see Harry on his engagements and the walls of BP aren't going to be stormed by angry citizens on the day that he marries. Instead there will be crowds out to see him and his bride, just as there has been for every other Royal wedding over the last 100 years.

The BRF isn't going to collapse over this. Instead there will just be another Duchess out on engagements, another couple/family for the media to comment on and the anons will just have to adjust and suck it up.

[Eri]

^ His funeral ... I won't feel sorry for him ... I won't be the one to deal with anything ... Prince Dim will ... and trust me the mess he got himself into will make Fergie look like a child's play ...

[sandy]

What mess? He has a steady girlfriend. Because it's not some younger blonde, it does not mean they don't have a good relationship

[Eri]

^ The type of relationship they have is that she is only photographed in Toronto and no matter how much her team leaks of "romantic dates" in London no one sees her ... it's amazing there is no sightings of her in the age of Instagram and Twitter ... what is weirder is that some paps would travel all around the World to photograph her but they can't find her at Kensigton ...

[psm]

Someone give this lady a bucket of water. The thirst is real.

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[FanDianaFancy]

Eri, who do you think he should be with?
Wht type of person?
You truly are against MM. I thought, had he and Chelsy found their way back to each other, she could have made it.
Cressida was too young, flighty in style ,hobo chic, etc.

[amabel]

He should be with some marriageable young woman, not one that the RF is not likely to approve of and who would probably nto want to igve up her career.

[Curryong]

I should think that Harry and Meghan will have spoken about her career and their future life together. She is supposed to have stated that she is quite willing to give up her career and undertake more humanitarian work.

She has a nice way with people. I've seen videos of her interactions with the public. Meghan is an excellent speech maker and has done quite a bit of charity work.

Why would the royals consider her unacceptable? Because she's American? Don't think so! Because she's older than Harry? Nothing either of them can do about that. According to friends they're in love. Because she's divorced? So are Charles, Camilla, Andrew and Princess Michael.

[TLLK]

^^^Good points @Curryong. A divorced woman is now the Queen of Spain. An unwed mother is set to become the next Queen of Norway when her husband ascends to the throne. The daughter of a dictator's cabinet member is now the Queen of the Netherlands.  There is the possibility that a divorced woman will become the Queen Consort of the UK. All of these ladies have adapted to their new lives and perform their duties with apparent goodwill. IMHO.

Meghan Markle...I'm not seeing how the Windsors will find her "unacceptable."

[sandy]

He should be with some marriageable young woman, not one that the RF is not likely to approve of and who would probably nto want to igve up her career.

I think if she wants to marry him she will give up her career. There would also be too many security risks for a wife of a royal who wants to work outside the UK. She is marriageable. Why wouldn't the royal family approve? They let Camilla in, a divorcee who was the other woman in Charles first marriage. And marrying a divorced Charles.

[FanDianaFancy]

Thanks amabel for answering.

She  is marriageable.

She  is divorced, but had no children, was in a  long term  relationship with the  man and a short lived marriage .  She  did  not  upsurp Harry's wife and play mistress with  him or any  man.
Harry is 5th  in line and  will never  be  King Henry   # the  whatever.
Any  wife  of  Henry's  will never  be  Queen  Consort  to  him.

She  is  university  with  a  degree  and that  is  marriageable.

She  is  Harry's  age  just  like  Kate  is W's age.  A year  or  months  older is  not  too  old. Camila and Charles and Sophie ad Edward are all same  age , if  I  am not mistaken.

She  is  pretty, thin, photogentic.
Lux hair. God  skin  Good teeth.  Nice  shape. Legs. No  big  American  plastic boobs and big  ole  butt.

She has a career  ...as an actress. Ehhhh. YES, she would quit  in a NYC  minute  if  Harry  asked for  engagement. Contract  or not.  So what!!  She , PH can buy  out the contract, undercover, giving her the money. The show  will survive  from the pr and some  similar  looking actress  would be casted in a  New York minute.

She  has spoken before the  UN.  I saw the daily mail.com today, she  is in  Vanity Fair  as one to watch  for  her  causes. Emma  Watson  was  in .  MM  has  pics  her of  speaking to , meeting up close,  PM  Trudeau.  A world leader.  A plus  there.

QEII  has to approve. In reality, she will approve. In reality,  she and TPTB  would  prefer  an  English girl  of  the nobility/aristos.
I GET THAT!  I  THINK THAT  IS  UNDERSTANABLE.

Thinking about how  MM and PH met,  and  other  people and things in my  real  life,  it  is like an  odd force in fate  but  it  seems  somethings just were meant to be  beyond anyone's control.

Kate went to SAU. Yeah, and yeah she  wanted to  be introduced to them.  Teamed  and met  before Emilla    as a  friend...STILL  all that  , it was PW  who   had to  want to date  K.  No one could make him like her. No  one could make him date her. 

PH and MM,  maybe  it  is just  one  of those fate/universe  things.  Sometimes,  , think about  people  you  know  , with  their marriages,  careers,  it is just  fate .

MM is  American. That  is hardly  an unfriendly  or  unadaptable culture  to  Britian.
Roman Catholic.  She  can change that. Camilla  was  Roman Catholic.

Hmmmm, what  else.
BLCK American.  1/2.  She  cannot change that.  She  will not  have  little  brownie  kids. Her  phenotype  is  White an with  any White  guy, will have White  kids.  At mildest,  slight, slight summer tan.

I  thin  MM and PH  might  be it.  For his sake, I hope he  has  found his one.
MM,  I will say,  and  I, we, know nothing about the lifestyle of BRF  other than  reading, but  it  is  not entertainment world. Very  strict rules  set on traditions to keep the mystery  behind the palace walls going to  keep that class  structure in place  for  hundreds,  600, 800,  1000  years  or  so.  TO keep the people  keeping the BRF and  the rest,  BRF  have to do  some very  slight  things  .  Really,  show and cut ribbons. Act  privately  in public.  Keep private  life private.  Small  sacrifices they make  to  keep their place  when you really  think about it.
Can MM  really understand  what  she  is getting into  in  that  public work part and  in private, some things  too?

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@Curryong , if  PH  marries her or someone else, I do  not see him having  a wedding  like PAndrew had in the 1980's to rival that of  PC and PD.
I  think , because the BRF has to scale  down  at  some  point, PH's  would be the turning point. I  think it  would  be  more like  PE and Sophie.

Bea dn Eug seem  in nohurry  to marry  , but  PAndrew and  Sarah  would  DEMAND  nothing short  of a  wedding like theirs  in 1980's. 
1980s was a  different time.

Now, you are talking  Brexit, Scotland wanting to  leave  TheUK, maybe, and N.Ireland  wanting to  rejoin  Ireland, maybe...cost of living...scaling back  on the  size  of the monarchy  as PC  gets closer  every  year  to  the thrown, I  do not see Westminster Abbey  or St. Pauls  and  a national holiday  and  streets lined up  and closed  off and  secure for days, weeks....etc.

[Curryong]

I agree that Harry's wedding will be a scaled down version of William's. It most likely will be the Abbey or St George's on a Saturday to cause minimum traffic disruption. I certainly don't see St Paul's as a venue. However, it will be televised IMO.

You forget, I think, that Harry will be the last senior Royal to marry in this younger generation. The next big one is likely to be George's and that's decades away. He is also popular. People will turn out to have a look if it's a summer wedding, even during austerity and political uncertainty.

No-one cares really about the Yorkie princesses weddings. There may be an article or two in the media, especially in the Daily Fail, a spread in Hello or OK and that will be it, IMHO.

[sandy]

Or Charlotte could get married first. Princess Anne's got much attention in the seventies, the first of the Queen's children to get married.

[Curryong]

Yes, Charlotte could indeed become popular and get married first. However, unless something extraordinary happens, her marriage and George's would have to wait until their university studies  are completed at least, and that's a good couple of decades away. Due to Charles and William marrying and having children quite late (and Charles and Diana stopping breeding after two sons) there is a gap in prospective Royal weddings of senior royals for years into the future. As I said, Harry's will be the final hurrah of his generation of royals in the BRF.

[amabel]

He should be with some marriageable young woman, not one that the RF is not likely to approve of and who would probably nto want to igve up her career.

I think if she wants to marry him she will give up her career. There would also be too many security risks for a wife of a royal who wants to work outside the UK. She is marriageable. Why wouldn't the royal family approve? They let Camilla in, a divorcee who was the other woman in Charles first marriage. And marrying a divorced Charles.

they only "let Camilla in " because she had been associated with charles for a long lifetime and it was obvious that he was not willing to give her up.. and Meghan is not only a divorcee, shes' American, has a career which presumably she likes and is older than Harry by a few years. 
that's a minor problem, but I think that she may not rally want to give up acting and there's no way she could keep it up.  she might not enjoy the royal routine after being her own woman for so long.
Camilla is Enlgish, upper class and knows the RF and knew what marriage to a royal would entail..
Meghan may thnk it is all glamourous and that she'd enjoy it, and then find it very restricting...
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^^^Good points @Curryong. A divorced woman is now the Queen of Spain. An unwed mother is set to become the next Queen of Norway when her husband ascends to the throne. The daughter of a dictator's cabinet member is now the Queen of the Netherlands.  There is the possibility that a divorced woman will become the Queen Consort of the UK. All of these ladies have adapted to their new lives and perform their duties with apparent goodwill. IMHO.

Meghan Markle...I'm not seeing how the Windsors will find her "unacceptable."

I think that in sptie of recent years' scandals, (well in the 90s) the Windsors are still less keen on allowing marriages that might be considered controversial, than other royal houses.  THeir attitude is that "It doesn't matter what the bicycling monarchies do, we have our ways and we will do things the way we want ot."
Camilla has proved ok, and I think that she's been accepted by the public as the future queen, but they consider each marriage carefully.  Kate is reasonably OK, in spite of her middle class background, and her rather lazy ways, I think that they were relieved that she was scandal free, seemed to make Wm happy and ultra discreet.  But someone who's job means they are in the public eye, like an actress is probably not going to be as discreet... and as an American Megan may not realy understand the Royal ways.
If she and Hary were together for 4 or 5 years, and she and he were a hapy couple, I'm sure th queen would be willing ot allow it, but they haven't.. and she's just too much IMO of an outsider for the RF to feel she's a good bet.

[Tiddles88]

I think they (the Queen, the grey men at Buck house, full on monarchists etc.) may object to Harry marrying a divorcee as a first marriage. The bar is set lower for marriage #2, especially if it is unlikely/ impossible to result in children.

However, I don't think Meghan's first marriage is the main stumbling block, I think her media presence is. Meghan, or "her camp", leaked the relationship in the first place. If she had spent a year or so quietly cleaning up her reputation and then had been sprung on the world as engaged to Harry, a done deal, it would have been much better.

Meghan seems to think she can use the press to further her aims, which is a huge mistake. If she plays those games with the RF and the media she will lose. If nothing else it looks like she is woefully unprepared for royal life, which is why HM may tell Harry to wait a year or two. Time is not a Meghan's side for various reasons.

If I were to advise Meghan, I'd tell her to sit tight; stop leaking implausibly romantic stories of Christmas tree shopping and midnight dates at museums; tell her friends to shut it to the media and go about her normal business. Interest in her would fade if she just stayed quiet and did her job. And with a diminished media presence she's much more likely to get the tiara she so seems to want.       

[amabel]

As I understand it, the RF/QUeen has now said that younger royals shodl be in a relationship for abt 5 years, and prove that it can last before she'd be happy with them getting married. So I think that youre right that time isn't on Megan's side.. if she's got to wait another few years.  And I think that you're also right in saying that while the queen may tolerate a second marriage to a divorcee (Like charles') she'd prefer that if princes like Harry or William are getting married for the first time it is to an "never married" woman.
I agree too that if Meghan's "pushing" the relationship inot the public eye, (which someone whose job is actress might well do)  that would also put off the RF, and their advisers...

[Lady Deb]

There is no specific rule about how long royals should wait for marriage, that's just all conjecture. It was so hard for some people to believe that Prince Harry would even date Meghan. So many 'experts' saying it was just a fling. So many 'experts' said it was over in December; old or no pictures so they're no longer together. 

Now people can't believe that Harry and Meg would continue to work together to release information as they want to. Harry already declared via his press office that, 'it's his life', but still some can only see an actress pushing the relationship. Meghan works and has also been supporting causes for years before she was involved with Harry. Now that she is dating PH there is more attention and also there are now other people who realise that they can capitalize on that.

[amabel]

there is no specific rule but it seems that the queen would prefer a couple to have given their relationship some years of testing, and i'd say that 3-5 years is a reasonable amount of time.
I doubt if Harry wants to "release information".. Royals don't as a rule..

[Curryong]

What reputation has Meghan to 'clean up'? That she is a porn star, a drug addict, an axe murderer? It's quite insulting that because a woman is an actress she is automatically presumed to be a media ------ with minions feeding mountains of publicity to the media every day. We don't know who leaked the news of the relationship to Camilla Tominey (who first broke the story.) It could have been anyone who saw them together at Soho House in July.

Harry is pretty media savvy. He's dated for about seventeen years and I'm sure has come across plenty of users and social climbers in that time, including actresses. The idea that he would keep on dating and getting serious with a woman who just enjoys the publicity is laughable.

The Queen is said to not interfere at all with the private lives of her adult children and grandchildren. The idea that she goes around telling people in their thirties that they have to wait for five or seven years before they can wed is frankly ludicrous. Charles may well have counselled Harry to wait a year before proposing. That is all it would be though, just advice. As Richard Palmer stated about this romance--Harry's happiness will be paramount.

No, time is not on Meghan's side, if she and Harry want to have a family then they are likely to marry in the next year or two. And the Queen will give her permission.
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What reputation has Meghan to 'clean up'? That she is a porn star, a drug addict, an axe murderer? It's quite insulting that because a woman is an actress she is automatically presumed to be a media ------ with minions feeding mountains of publicity to the media every day. We don't know who leaked the news of the relationship to Camilla Tominey (who first broke the story.) It could have been anyone who saw them together at Soho House in July.

Harry is pretty media savvy. He's dated for about seventeen years and I'm sure has come across plenty of users and social climbers in that time, including actresses. The idea that he would keep on dating and getting serious with a woman who just enjoys the publicity is laughable.

The Queen is said to not interfere at all with the private lives of her adult children and grandchildren. The idea that she goes around telling people in their thirties that they have to wait for five or seven years before they can wed is frankly ludicrous. Charles may well have counselled Harry to wait a year before proposing. That is all it would be though, just advice. As Richard Palmer stated about this romance--Harry's happiness will be paramount.

No, time is not on Meghan's side, if she and Harry want to have a family then they are likely to marry in the next year or two. And the Queen will give her permission.

[amabel]

The queen very clearly has changed since the days of "not interfering" and just letting her children get on with whoever they chose to marry.  Id say she learned bitter lessons then that she could nto just ostrich and leave tehm alone.  So with the grandchildren IMO< she has been much more cautious and advised waiting and living with someone even if she probably as a Christian disapproves.
WIl and kate were a couple for several years before they got engaged.. Harry is older but has had few serious romances and is more of a thoughtless creature than Will ever was so i'd say the queen is definitely likely to adivse him to wait at least a couple of years.  Its for their own good.  She loves Harry and WIliam and wants them to make stable happy marriages, not like her own children did. and its for the good of the monarchy.
so I honeslty doubt if this relationship will end in marriage.

[Lady Deb]

there is no specific rule but it seems that the queen would prefer a couple to have given their relationship some years of testing, and i'd say that 3-5 years is a reasonable amount of time.
I doubt if Harry wants to "release information".. Royals don't as a rule..

I would say that when a couple is ready to make further commitment, they decide when is a reasonable time, as they know what is going on in their relationship.

RF and their press offices, release information whenever they want to, they have been for years. As time and also technology changes, the RF also have adapted. In more recent years,  official engagement information is posted online in Court Circular. There are also preferred journalists and photographers that are sometimes used to release private information when the RF wants, example last year, Prince William and Kate went on private holiday with their children and released pictures about it, by a photographer of their choosing, when they were ready.

[Curryong]

There is no evidence whatsoever that the Queen imposes time lengths on the romances of her grandchildren. Kate waited for ever for William to propose, nearly eight years. If Harry and Meghan have to wait that long Meghan will be 44 and they would have to kiss goodbye to any thoughts of a family.

If Harry has had few serious romances William had fewer, one in fact, with a split in 2007 but otherwise stretched on and on.

Harry is no more thoughtless than his brother is and why you should doubt that this romance will be no good for the monarchy when Meghan has expressed her willingness to give up acting and she has already experience of humanitarian work, heaven knows.

Friends, Royal correspondents like Richard Palmer and others (who have contacts at KP) have described the couple as very happy and very serious about each other, which Harry himself emphasised by issuing a statement last November, so they all apparently disagree with you that this relationship won't end in marriage. We shall see.

[Tiddles88]

Re: cleaning up her reputation. Now there's nothing wrong with Meghan's work, unless she wants to marry into the BRF. Since that's what she wants: she's got too many sex-scenes, too many near nude scenes, too many pics of her with her bra hanging out. Charity work: hmm, yes, but she should be digging wells and building health clinics, not holding the hands of little impoverished children while looking pretty. And preferably for an organisation that is less controversial that World Vision (which has a pretty shady reputation).

Who leaked the relationship? My money's on the woman who showcased her "Harry bracelet" on no less that five occasions on instagram in the weeks leading up to the leak. And Harry now leaking to the press? Really? Wasn't the excuse for him looking so miserable in the Jamaica photos that he hated the press? So would he really court press attention?

I think HM would tell Harry to wait if the woman he wants to marry does not seem ready to join the RF, because the happiness of her grandchildren are secondary to the stability of the monarchy to her.