The Coronation Part 2

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LouisFerdinand

#225
April 18, 2023, 07:28:43 PM
Historic uniforms to feature in Coronation Procession   
The Pikemen have historic uniforms.   
Uniforms, Marching & Spitfires: How will the Military Feature the Coronation? - YouTube

TLLK

#228
April 19, 2023, 01:49:54 PM
As the current Head of the Commonwealth, I'm glad that KCIII is incorporating the names of all of the nations into this project even if the majority are republics.


King Charles will make sweet gesture to Commonwealth as he is anointed with holy oil - Mirror Online

QuoteThe King will honour Britain?s relationship with the Commonwealth during the most sacred moment of his Coronation when he is anointed with holy oil behind fabric screens, it can be revealed.

Charles has for months worked on a secret project with skilled embroiderers who have stitched the names of all 56 commonwealth countries into the partitions that will shield him from public view, when he is blessed with holy oil.

Royal sources said the delicate lace embroidery, created by the Royal School of Needlework, are His Majesty?s way of demonstrating his respect and his late mother?s love for the union of nations.

wannable

#229
April 19, 2023, 01:54:21 PM
Prince Harry facing 'cold and icy' Coronation problem as 'Windsors don't forgive' - Mirror Online

In my opinion, I doubt the couple expect anything different. In my opinion they trapped themselves deliberately, they love attention, good or bad to stay in the news 24/7.

PrincessOfPeace

#230
April 19, 2023, 03:08:51 PM
"King Charles is said to have apologised to friends and family after they failed to receive invitations to his Coronation." -

Lady Pamela Hicks has not been invited to King Charles's coronation | Daily Mail Online

PrincessOfPeace

#231
April 19, 2023, 04:28:14 PM
Charles and Camilla to host dazzling reception night before Coronation -

Mail Plus - Charles and Camilla to host dazzling reception night before Coronation - The Mail

HistoryGirl2

#232
April 19, 2023, 04:53:16 PM
^Glad to see she was understanding. You can?t invite everyone.

wannable

#233
April 19, 2023, 05:06:22 PM
In my opinion, I wish them well, but I think it's a mistake from the official Coronation budget of 2000 guests only.

wannable

#234
April 19, 2023, 05:25:47 PM Last Edit: April 19, 2023, 05:31:18 PM by wannable
In my opinion, in lieu of not receiving a Coronation Invitation

Charles and Camilla to host dazzling reception night before Coronation

GUEST numbers for the King's Coronation are so tight that many foreign royals and British aristocrats have missed out on invitations to the Westminster Abbey ceremony.
But Charles and Camilla are hosting a dazzling reception at Buckingham Palace on Friday, May 5, the night before they are crowned, to greet the good and the great, including some of those who have been excluded from the main event.
The first recorded Coronation banquet dates back to 1194, while King George IV's in 1821 was so lavish that 23 temporary kitchens were built next to Westminster Hall to produce 160 tureens of soup alone, along with 3,271 cold dishes.

Daily Mail
Rebecca English

In my opinion out of the 30 present Dukes in the Peerage, approximately 25 have no Coronation invitation.

sara8150

#235
April 19, 2023, 09:00:40 PM Last Edit: April 19, 2023, 09:05:30 PM by sara8150
Prince Harry will skip King Charles's coronation concert, say sources | Daily Mail Online

King will host pre-Coronation party at Buckingham Palace on the eve of historic ceremony | Daily Mail Online
According to Daily Mail said ?The first recorded Coronation banquet dates back to 1194, while King George IV?s in 1821 was so lavish that 23 temporary kitchens were built next to Westminster Hall to produce 160 tureens of soup alone, along with 3,271 cold dishes.It dates back to 1855 and is the largest of the state reception rooms and features a musician?s gallery complete with an organ.?

Lady Pamela Hicks has not been invited to King Charles's coronation | Daily Mail Online
Not surprised King Charles not invite his mother?s 1953 coronation bridesmaids for no reason due limited seat

Who is Lady Pamela Hicks? Royal bridesmaid who cemented her place in Queen's inner circle | Daily Mail Online

King Charles Coronation: Lady Pamela Hicks Reacts to Not Being Invited

Prince Harry, King Charles Had Positive Conversations Before Coronation

King Charles' Coronation Cross Includes True Cross from Pope Francis

Prince Harry Didn't Hear from King Charles About Coronation Invite

Sarah Ferguson Will Attend Coronation Concert, Not Invited to Crowning

Why Prince Harry Is Going to Coronation Without Meghan Markle: Exclusive

Kate Middleton and Prince William settle back into routine as George prepares for big coronation role | HELLO!

King Charles informs royal cousin they are not invited to coronation ? details | HELLO!

Sarah Ferguson receives invite to special coronation event after ceremony snub | HELLO!

sara8150

#236
April 19, 2023, 09:24:33 PM
Camilla will be ?absolutely terrified? at Coronation, claims ex-royal butler | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Queen Elizabeth II's bridesmaid Lady Pamela Hicks not invited to Charles's Coronation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Harry breaks cover for first time after confirming he will attend King's Coronation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Sarah Ferguson bags VIP role at Charles's Coronation despite invitation snub | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

'Boy in the tent' who raised ?750k for hospice invited to King Charles's Coronation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
I can?t believe King Charles invited him!!

Meghan Markle could invite 'famous faces' to Archie's birthday bash on Coronation weekend | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince William and Kate resume schedule as pair prepare George for Coronation role | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince William gets key homage role for King Charles's Coronation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Buckingham Palace to host dazzling reception for King Charles on eve of Coronation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

'Security will be on high alert' for King's Coronation as bookies place odds on protests | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
Police and security have kept eyes for protesters same last time at Queen Elizabeth?s platinum jubilee in June 2022 and protests but royals fans told protesters says ?get out? but its tight security reasons for protect newly King Charles at coronation

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/1760179/New-James-Bond-King-Charles-III-Coronation

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-04-19/archbishop-denies-tension-with-king-over-churchs-role-in-coronation

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-04-19/kings-coronation-what-is-the-procession-route-and-whens-the-bank-holiday

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-04-19/shards-from-christs-cross-to-be-used-in-kings-coronation-procession

HistoryGirl2

#237
April 19, 2023, 09:28:20 PM
I just love that Charles is highlighting people that have helped their communities so much!

LouisFerdinand

#239
April 19, 2023, 10:08:32 PM
Will church bells ring for the Coronation? | Classical Music   
According to the article, the bell ringing will be led by Westminster Abbey.   
A full peal may be rung. A full peal takes over three hours to complete.

TLLK

#240
April 19, 2023, 11:31:58 PM
Republic is choosing to NOT follow the tactics used by Extinction Rebellion on May 6, 2023. That's a wise decision.

Anti-monarchists planning protest for coronation say they won't copy Extinction Rebellion | Daily Mail Online

QuoteThe anti-monarchists planning to protest King Charles' coronation say they will not copy Extinction Rebellion's stunts - because they don't 'help the cause'.

Graham Smith, chief executive of Republic, said more than 1,350 activists have pledged to gather in London.

They will chant 'Not my King', wear yellow T-shirts, boo loudly and carry yellow placards in groups along the procession route and also gather for a major demonstration in Trafalgar Square on May 6.

And the 48-year-old has vowed to make the peaceful demonstration unmissable and loud - but told The Times that they were not staging any Extinction Rebellion-style demos because 'it's not a good look'.

sara8150

#241
April 19, 2023, 11:34:34 PM Last Edit: April 19, 2023, 11:44:41 PM by sara8150
Quote from: TLLK on April 19, 2023, 11:31:58 PM
Republic is choosing to NOT follow the tactics used by Extinction Rebellion on May 6, 2023. That's a wise decision.

Anti-monarchists planning protest for coronation say they won't copy Extinction Rebellion | Daily Mail Online


Late Queen Elizabeth refused listen to protest during her coronation in 1953 ? The Queen received this message coldly, and refused to listen to their protests. The young queen personally routed the Earl Marshall, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Sir Winston Churchill and the Cabinet ?she had made her decision! The Queen arrived at Westminster Abbey looking radiant, but there was a problem in the Abbey: the carpet! The carpet in the Abbey had been laid with pile running the wrong way, which meant that the Queen?s robes had trouble gliding easily over the carpet pile. The metal fringe on the Queen?s golden mantel caught in the pile of the carpet, and clawed her back when she tried to move forward. The Queen had to tell the Archbishop of Canterbury, ?Get me started?.Another problem was that the holy oil, with which the Queen was to be anointed at the ceremony and which had been used at her father?s coronation, had been destroyed during a World War II bombing raid, and the firm who made it had gone out of business.?
The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II on 2nd June 1953

Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II

wannable

#242
April 20, 2023, 12:24:29 AM
The bell struck midnight, Richard Kay's article in the Daily Mail hits front page news

The Mountbattens and Windsors have been entwined for decades - but the late Earl's daughter, a bridesmaid to the Queen, is denied a coronation invitation. The King has apologised for offending so many friends, but the gripes are growing says RICHARD KAY

In my opinion, as I previously stated, good luck but the 2,000 guest budget is doomed to this type of gripes.  Every person not invited has a ''perk'' gripe.

Curryong

#243
April 20, 2023, 01:40:39 AM
Certainly Extinction Rebellion hasn?t helped their cause any by their actions. Throwing and daubing anything onto works of art or artefacts and glueing themselves to it just caused extra work for museums and galleries etc, as they soon must have realised, as the actions of a few months ago when these were occurring frequently don?t seem to have been repeated.

Nightowl

#244
April 20, 2023, 02:05:51 AM
Quote from: wannable on April 19, 2023, 05:06:22 PM
In my opinion, I wish them well, but I think it's a mistake from the official Coronation budget of 2000 guests only.

I totally agree with your assessment of how many guests Charles is having, this is a once in a lifetime for so many people that were there for HM and now her son is being crowned is very important to many.  This is not about who has what title, it is about one thing only, Charles, so even cutting the seating to 4,000 would be much better then what is happening now.    I do wish Charles and Camilla well and hope things improve for the future.

Curryong

#245
April 20, 2023, 02:13:11 AM Last Edit: April 20, 2023, 02:26:59 AM by Curryong
I?m sure that those guests who were at previous Coronations or whose ancestors automatically attended each ceremony are offended. The fact that Peers will not be wearing ceremonial robes and coronets will diminish the pomp somewhat.

However, this is a State occasion and the King is not in charge of the entire affair. The Government pays, ie the taxpayers, and therefore it is the Govt has the last say on every part of the budget. They don?t care what potential guests, including MPs, have to say. He who pays the piper plays the tune.

TLLK

#247
April 20, 2023, 11:18:39 AM
The Coronation Oath is being revised and updated for 2023.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2023-04-19/hcws727

QuoteOn 6th May 2023, the Coronation of Their Majesties will take place. The King will take the oath prescribed by the Coronation Oath Act 1688. The precise form of words has been varied over successive coronations to reflect changes to the constitutional position. As set out to the House in a statement by the then Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill on 25 February 1953, with one exception, the changes to the oath have been made without express legislative authority.

For the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in 1953, changes were made to the oath without express legislative authority to reflect the constitutional position. Some updating to the wording of the oath is required to reflect the current position as regards the Realms and Territories, whose number has evolved since the Coronation of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, and who will be referred to collectively. As Churchill set out, the position was considered carefully in both 1937 and 1953; and it has been again for HM The King?s coronation. I propose to follow the same approach as then, that no express legislative authority is required to make the changes on the basis that they are to ensure consistency with the position regarding the Realms and Territories, as reflected in legislation. This follows the clear and consistent approach taken in 1953 as per the statement given by the then Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill, which I have appended to this Written Ministerial Statement.

TLLK

#248
April 20, 2023, 12:23:13 PM Last Edit: April 20, 2023, 12:27:18 PM by TLLK
Quote from: Curryong on April 20, 2023, 02:13:11 AM
I?m sure that those guests who were at previous Coronations or whose ancestors automatically attended each ceremony are offended. The fact that Peers will not be wearing ceremonial robes and coronets will diminish the pomp somewhat.

However, this is a State occasion and the King is not in charge of the entire affair. The Government pays, ie the taxpayers, and therefore it is the Govt has the last say on every part of the budget. They don?t care what potential guests, including MPs, have to say. He who pays the piper plays the tune.

Thank you @Curryong for pointing out that this is a State occasion and that the monarch is not the one making all of the decisions especially since they are paying for this event with taxpayer funding. The Government has been a major decision maker in determining the date of the Coronation, the guest list and the number of guests to be invited, the level of security required and the budget. (Regarding the date, it wouldn't have mattered to the Government that one the King's grandsons would be celebrating his fourth birthday.)

That being said, the latest YouGov polls show that the majority of Britons do not believe that the Government should fund the coronation. The Palace and the Government are certainly aware that the current cost of living crisis is having an impact on the Coronation itself with fewer guests being invited than at the last one and festivities being scaled down from previous coronations.

Polls show more than half of Britons don?t want the government to fund the Coronation ? Royal Central

QuoteAccording to a new poll by YouGov, more than half of Britons do not think the government should fund King Charles?s Coronation.

The new poll was carried out just a couple of weeks before Their Majesties King Charles and Queen Camilla are crowned at Westminster Abbey on 6 May. To be exact, 51% of adults are against the government funding the big event; 32% believe the government should fund it, and 18% are unsure of their opinion.

More than 4,200 adults were surveyed, with a majority (62%) of those between the ages of 18 and 24 against the Coronation being funded by the government. In this particular age group, 15% favoured the funding. Those over 65 were nearly split down the middle, with 43% believing in the government funding the historical event and 44% being against it.The Coronation will cost millions of pounds, ultimately leaving taxpayers to foot the bill. As of this article?s publication, the budget for the historic national state occasion has not been revealed, and the government has not commented on the expected total cost. Critics say the event wastes taxpayer money because of the cost-of-living crisis and the wage strike of doctors, teachers, and other public servants.

For reference, the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II cost ?912,000 in 1953, which in today?s money, would be about ?20.5 million. When Charles?s grandfather, King George VI, was crowned in 1937, the event cost ?454,000, which would now be about ?24.8 million ? making this the most expensive Coronation in the last 300 years.

The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Oliver Dowden, has previously said The King and government are mindful of ensuring the Coronation has value for taxpayers and will not be ?lavish or excess.? As seen with Jubilees and other events, it is likely we will learn more about the total cost and breakdown and funding after 6 May.

HistoryGirl2

#249
April 20, 2023, 12:31:17 PM
^Quite right. These are not good economic times for many people in the Commonwealth. I do not think it prudent to have the King demanding that every person who attended the Queen?s coronation or considers themselves a friend of Charles needs to be invited. This is not a personal, family event. It is a state occasion, so it would likely behoove those planning it to consider the financial aspects of the state.

And frankly, I?d personally rather see people from the NHS and the army invited over someone whose only claim is that they were friends with Elizabeth and attended her coronation 70 years ago.
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