The Coronation

[Curryong]

I have a feeling the Coronet (lesser crown) will be used by Kate. i.e. the picture I posted.

I don?t think so. It was a silver gilt thing whipped up for the Coronation by Garrards and it and Margaret?s coronet was made for children?s heads. Eleven year olds and seven year olds heads respectively.

[wannable]

It won't be a first for crowns, coronets, tiaras being adjusted.  Source: Royal Collection

[Curryong]

All Peers, royal and otherwise, wear coronets for part of the ceremony however. In the link below is one made for Prince George (later George V) at his father?s Coronation in 1902. It was later worn by Edward (later Duke of Windsor) at George V?s 1911 Coronation. If it remains in good nick William will probably wear that one (second one down in the link.) However, I?ve been unable to track down Mary?s 1902 coronet, a smaller version of George?s. It might not be in existence any more.

what type of crown/tiara/coronet and robes will... - Tiara Mania

However Kate is likely to wear something like that which she will place on her own head as Camilla is crowned. Peers do that when the King is crowned, Peeresses (including royal ladies) immediately following when a Queen Consort is crowned.

That is, if the entire ritual is followed, which it may well not be.

[Curryong]

This is an old photo of the 1902 Coronation  and you can?t see it very clearly, but at the ceremony tiaras are worn by Peeresses and then when the Queen Consort is crowned the coronet (smaller than the Peers? ones) is placed at the back of one?s head, behind the tiara.

Found a photos of the future Queen Mary?s 1902 coronet.

The Coronet of the Princess of Wales - Tiara Mania


Lady Louise Corbin, Countess of Oxford, 1902, wearing a diamond tiara as well as her coronet | Fashion, Royal jewels, Fashion beauty

However, like I said this part of the ceremony will probably be cut.

[wannable]

Because the Coronation will have cost cuts here and there, as I said it's just my feeling that the obvious foursome will be made and carried out for the pomp and pageantry.  Kate is the Princess of Wales, not a Countess of Oxford.  I feel the committee will think long term future, Kate will be Queen and then a Queen Mother.

[Curryong]

I put that photo there to show how the tiara is set forward on the head and the coronet behind it. The Countess is wearing the same arrangement as all the royal ladies did at Queen Elizabeth?s Coronation in 1953. I?ve seen photos of the royal women wearing that same arrangement in that ceremony, including the Princess Royal. Exactly the same. George?s wife Mary wore it that way in 1902. She was wife to the heir then Queen Consort and then mother to two Kings.

Sorry, It?s not going to be a crowning of William and Kate next May!

Prss Margaret in tiara and coronet in 1953. Tiara forward, coronet back!

Margaret in her Coronation robes, 1953, wearing both the scroll tiara and her coronet. | Princess margaret, Royal princess, Royal family

[wannable]

I haven't changed my mind, I still think Kate will be wearing a 'coronet' rather than a tiara.

[Curryong]

I haven't changed my mind, I still think Kate will be wearing a 'coronet' rather than a tiara.

Well, we shall see! There has been talk of all female royals and others in long dresses and tiaras only without ermine robes, or even hats and gowns similar to what was worn by the Queen at Margaret?s wedding. A coronet of any description would look mighty strange on top of that!

And if the old tradition is kept, then Meghan, Anne, Sophie and Brigette, etc will also don coronets.

[TLLK]

Children of the monarch, even adult children, don?t really have a role to play at a Coronation. The sole duty of royal Dukes is to pay homage in the homage of Peers to the new Monarch. That would be William, followed by Harry, then the other royal Dukes Andrew and Edward (who may well be Duke of Edinburgh by then. Being an official representative of the monarchy has nothing to do with the Homage part of the ceremony, which will be foreshortened I think.

And sorry but I believe you?re wrong about Harry no longer being a senior royal. There was a serious ongoing discussion about what comprised a senior royal  on the big royal forum not so long ago and monarch?s sons, it was agreed, are certainly senior royals.

Well the Big Royal Forum and I don't always agree and this is one of those situations where I will agree to disagree with them. While Prince Harry is certainly the son of KCIII and currently fifth in the line  of succession, as per the Sussex Royal announcement of January 2020, he's chosen to step back and not to be a senior working royal who is an official representative of the monarchy and of the government.  :)

It will be interesting to see who participates in the paying homage portion of the coronation as I'm not sure if the DoY would be part of that group as he's no longer IMHO a senior working royal who is an official representative of the monarchy and the government,  though I believe he will be issued an invitation. However he might come down with a convenient health issue right before the coronation. At the very  least, I believe that it will need to be adapted for the shorter timetable of the ceremony. If the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester participate in the homage, then I would anticipate that the DoK would not be required to kneel.

[wannable]

^ Agree, in tune with modern era.

Same with this new Coronation, IMO some things will be retained with new slimmed down elements.  Focusing on the Foursome in their 'order' with the obvious emphasis on the crowning of the King and Queen Consort, seconded by the PPOWs. My POV is the King made sure hours after the Queen's death/first speech announcement naming the PPOWs, official picturing of the foursome, giving domination and power access to the PPOW's, those details large and small are hard to escape the vision of what's to come.  The other 'working' senior royal ladies will be wearing tiaras.

[TLLK]

The Big Forum had the George IV diadem as a suggestion for the Queen Consort to wear to Westminster Abbey. If she's comfortable in it, then I believe it would be an outstanding and regal choice for her to wear. Camilla can carry the big tiaras/diadems. The George IV Diamond Diadem

For the other senior royal ladies who are official representatives of the monarchy/government here a few of my thoughts.
Princess of Wales-Girls of Great Britain and Ireland.  The Girls of Great Britain and Ireland Tiara
Princess Royal-Queen Alexandra Kokoshnik  Queen Alexandra?s Kokoshnik Tiara
Countess of Wessex and hopefully by then the Duchess of Edinburgh-Queen Mary's Fringe tiara- Queen Mary?s Fringe Tiara
Duchess of Gloucester-Queen Mary's Honeysuckle Tiara Queen Mary?s Honeysuckle Tiara

Other royal ladies-Duchess of Sussex-Queen Mary's Diamond bandeau The Fascinating History of Queen Mary?s Diamond Bandeau Tiara
                            Princess Beatrice-York tiara The York Diamond Tiara
                            Princess Eugenie-Emerald/diamond bandeau worn at her wedding. Princess Eugenie?s Incredible Emerald Wedding Tiara
I don't expect Lady Louise or Zara Tindall to be in tiaras. 

[Curryong]

What do you mean, ?seconded by Kate and William?? They aren?t going to be crowned as co-monarchs! All Coronations that have had a married Prince of Wales have had the Princess of Wales to the side playing no part in the formal ceremony and a Prince of Wales paying homage and that?s all. George and Mary didnt. The Govt aren?t going to the added expense of having four people crowned!  And Princesses of Wales wore tiaras and small coronets. Probably be tiaras only for Kate, Meghan, Anne and Sophie in 2023.

In fact it isn?t likely that this Coronation will even have ermine robes and train for anybody but the King and Queen. There?s more and more talk of ordinary smart day wear for most of the 2,000 guests and that may well include people like Eugenie and Bea, the Gloucesters and the Kents.

[TLLK]

Forgot one senior working royal lady who deserves a tiara mention. If she wears one then I'm guessing  that Princess Alexandra  will be wearing the Ogilvy tiara. The Ogilvy Tiara

[PrincessOfPeace]

I don't think we'll ever see Meghan in a tiara again. Just like with the Queen's funeral, I'm sure Charles is going to make it clear to Harry that stepping down from the monarchy has it's consequences. That includes no uniform for Harry and no bling for Meghan.

[Curryong]

Neither William nor King Charles will be wearing military uniforms at the Coronation either. And most people, even those that don?t like her, recognise that Meghan is, as the King?s daughter in law, third lady in the land in terms of precedence. Alexandra, the York sisters and the others, including Anne, aren?t.

[PrincessOfPeace]

Meghan lives in California. She's not the third lady in the land. Charles loves them but also recognises they are family but not 'Royal Family'. We'll see the Duchess of Gloucester blinged out before we ever see Meghan in a tiara. Can we just imagine the milage she'd get out of it. The tiara event would have it's own podcast.

[TLLK]

I wonder if the foreign royals will follow a dress code similar to the one seen at King  W-A's ascension? By tradition,  it will be the adult heirs to the throne attending or other family members  but not reigning monarchs.

[sara8150]

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What is the Koh-i-Noor diamond in Queen Camilla's crown worth and why is it controversial? | The Sun
Articles says crowned belong to The Koh-i-Noor diamond had successfully of Queen Alexandra,Queen Mary,Queen Mother and Queen Victoria and was once again reset for this crowned it?s claimed

[Curryong]

I wonder if the foreign royals will follow a dress code similar to the one seen at King  W-A's ascension? By tradition,  it will be the adult heirs to the throne attending or other family members  but not reigning monarchs.

I certainly can?t see reigning monarchs coming to this Coronation. Even in 1953 when the guest list was huge the only reigning monarch to be present was Queen Salote of Tonga, and that was only because she reigned over a Commonwealth nation. That doesn?t mean though that Imo Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands or ex Queen Sophie of Spain couldn?t possibly appear.

[Curryong]

What is the Koh-i-Noor diamond in Queen Camilla's crown worth and why is it controversial? | The Sun
Articles says crowned belong to The Koh-i-Noor diamond had successfully of Queen Alexandra,Queen Mary,Queen Mother and Queen Victoria and was once again reset for this crowned it?s claimed

This article is so muddled I don?t know where to begin! In the text it refers to ?the Turkish stone? and says it was gifted after support by the British in the Crimean War. Wrong! And it says ?it was made? for the 1937 Coronation?. What was? The Koh-I- Noor certainly wasn?t lol, neither was the crown.

There?s no mention in the text of the Koh I Noor?s true provenance nor why it was gifted to Queen Victoria in the 1840?s by the East India Company. Victoria, who was crowned in 1837 never wore it in her crown. In fact she wore it mounted as a brooch and there are several photos of her wearing it as such when she was an old lady.

And given recent controversies about colonialism and Imperialism in the Caribbean Commonwealth nations I can certainly see another stone substituted for the Koh-I-Noor to assuage Indian and Pakistani sensitivities.

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Several notable objects and regalia feature in British coronations. While the Imperial State Crown and the Orb and the Sceptre are the most discussed pieces, another item used in the Coronation ceremony is nearly 800 years old and has been used in every coronation since its creation in the thirteenth century.

The Coronation Chair can be seen on display at Westminster Abbey when not in use for coronation ceremonies. King Edward I ordered the chair to be created in 1297- its specific purpose was to hold the Stone of Scone, a Scottish stone used in Scottish coronations until it was seized in 1296.

It is made out of oak and features elaborate Gothic carvings. Although it was originally gilded, the gilding has since worn off.

For some reason, the chair was varnished in preparation for Queen Victoria?s coronation in 1838, severely damaging the outside of the chair. After the event, Parliament did call an inquest into how it happened, but unfortunately, the chair was then damaged further when the varnish was stripped.

The Coronation Chair has been used by every monarch during their coronation since 1399, except for Queen Mary II. She was crowned in a joint ceremony with her husband and co-ruler, King William III, and William sat on the Coronation Chair.

This chair is an incredibly important item used during the ceremony. This is where the monarch is sitting when they are invested with their regalia and crowned during the ceremony.

Other chairs and thrones are often made for coronation ceremonies. The throne made for Queen Elizabeth II?s 1953 coronation is now in the Garter Throne Room at Windsor Castle, and her parents? 1937 thrones are in the Throne Room at the Palace of Holyroodhouse. However, it is the Coronation Chair that is a constant at all British coronations.

The Coronation Chair, an ancient symbol in the royal story ? Royal Central

Queen Consort Camilla? Time to get over it and celebrate Her Majesty ? Royal Central