The Coronation

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Nightowl

#50
October 14, 2022, 02:36:44 AM
Quote from: Curryong on October 14, 2022, 12:40:12 AM
The problem is however that India and the UK are in the middle of a massively important trade deal at the moment. The UK is in perilous waters economically and the authorities won?t want any controversy. Camilla could in theory wear the crown with the Koh-i-Noor removed and another stone substituted.

Regardless of a diamond or not, what does a trade deal have to do with that diamond?  I bet 99.99% of the human race that was alive during the British Occupation of India when that diamond was given to Queen Victoria are dead and gone, so to me some are using this diamond as an EXCUSE to make trouble for this trade deal.  That diamond regardless of who wants it back is NOT going anywhere.....India and any other country can shout and make trouble all they want, yet it is staying in the crown jewels of the British Royal Family.  Everything about that diamond being given to QV is history and in the past and that can not be changed ever and can not be rewritten.  When there are tooooooooooooooooooooooo many cooks in the kitchen then the meal is burnt so this trade deal needs to be simplified and toss some cooks out and let the main character do the job without the issue of this diamond. 

sara8150

#51
October 14, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: Curryong on October 14, 2022, 12:40:12 AM
The problem is however that India and the UK are in the middle of a massively important trade deal at the moment. The UK is in perilous waters economically and the authorities won?t want any controversy. Camilla could in theory wear the crown with the Koh-i-Noor removed and another stone substituted.

Yes but this crown is belong to late Queen Victoria and Queen Mother but articles explains what professor mentions about that im understand what says and King Charles wanted Camilla crowned to honor late Queen Mother if this crowned cant put on Camilla see on #40

sara8150

#52
October 14, 2022, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: Nightowl on October 14, 2022, 02:36:44 AM
Regardless of a diamond or not, what does a trade deal have to do with that diamond?  I bet 99.99% of the human race that was alive during the British Occupation of India when that diamond was given to Queen Victoria are dead and gone, so to me some are using this diamond as an EXCUSE to make trouble for this trade deal.  That diamond regardless of who wants it back is NOT going anywhere.....India and any other country can shout and make trouble all they want, yet it is staying in the crown jewels of the British Royal Family.  Everything about that diamond being given to QV is history and in the past and that can not be changed ever and can not be rewritten.  When there are tooooooooooooooooooooooo many cooks in the kitchen then the meal is burnt so this trade deal needs to be simplified and toss some cooks out and let the main character do the job without the issue of this diamond. 

Yes absolutely im agreed with that but this crowned is history not back to Queen Victoria and Queen Mother definitely claimed if QV and Queen Mother was here both will think about Camilla will crowned but not torch this crowned we have wait and see till coronation on May 6,2023

Curryong

#54
October 15, 2022, 07:41:27 AM Last Edit: October 15, 2022, 07:45:56 AM by Curryong
 
By the way, Charles has to bow to the UK Govt and keep to a budget for his Coronation. This little titbit caught my eye just now when I was looking for something else.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9412/

As it is a state event, a coronation is paid for by the UK Government. Organisation involves ministers, the Royal Household, the Church of England and the Commonwealth Realms. A Privy Council ?Coronation Committee? is formed to oversee the planning, and its Executive Committee is chaired by the Earl Marshal, an hereditary office of state. This can take several months. A monarch also has significant influence on the form a coronation takes.


That wouldn?t have pleased that vain old tart King George IV who went all out on his costly Coronation robes and Abbey accoutrements. However since 1830 monarchs have had to largely dance to the Govt of the day?s piper.

Amabel2

#55
October 15, 2022, 11:40:37 AM
Vain old tart? 
I've never seen tart used for a man, except by Del boy.

Curryong

#56
October 15, 2022, 07:01:07 PM Last Edit: October 15, 2022, 07:06:55 PM by Curryong
Quote from: Amabel2 on October 15, 2022, 11:40:37 AM
Vain old tart? 
I've never seen tart used for a man, except by Del boy.

Never watched Only Fools and Horses though I?ve heard of ?Del boy?. However I?ve always used it for the Prince Regent/George IV. I think the epiphet suits him.

Amabel2

#57
October 15, 2022, 07:21:09 PM
Del uses it to abuse his dopey brother Rodney, and it has a bit of a feminine ring to it.  True George IV was vain but he was not a woman...
Anyway re teh Coronation of course there is a budget as the Govt (or rather the taxpayer) pays for it.  so of course there are going to be limits on what can be spent.

Curryong

#62
October 16, 2022, 09:26:56 PM
All the articles linked are speculation by so called ?royal experts? and journalists about Charles and his son and the Sussexes attending the Coronation.

Note that at least one of these articles says No (with of course Angela Levin letting loose once  again about them. How?s the book about Camilla going, Ms Levin?) while the other, with Marlene Koenig says Yes.

So once again the Express is having a two way bet, in other words its  journalists don?t know a thing but lets bash this couple anyway, for the hell of it! You couldn?t make this stuff up, but British tabloid journalists still try!

wannable

#63
October 17, 2022, 12:49:12 PM
I doubt Harry and Meghan will miss this very historical event (if invited).   

The couple have placed themselves in a very hard place by publicly trashing the BRF, Charles. So the outcome  will be very interesting, the media worldwide will be reporting it of course.

Curryong

#64
October 17, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Harry is King Charles?s son and I believe that he (and Meghan) will be there. They are members of the royal family, and there?s no reason why they shouldn?t be there. The invitations have almost certainly already been sent out to everyone attending.

TLLK

#65
October 17, 2022, 01:19:28 PM
I believe that the Sussexes will be issued an invitation to attend the Coronation. Now what type of role Prince Harry will have in the ceremony will have to remain to be seen as he's no longer a senior royal who is an official representative of the monarchy/government.

wannable

#66
October 17, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
I think with the Sussexes it will be an IF until come 6th May 2023 (or a few weeks before). Only if either party makes an official announcement.

Curryong

#67
October 17, 2022, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: TLLK on October 17, 2022, 01:19:28 PM
I believe that the Sussexes will be issued an invitation to attend the Coronation. Now what type of role Prince Harry will have in the ceremony will have to remain to be seen as he's no longer a senior royal who is an official representative of the monarchy/government.

Children of the monarch, even adult children, don?t really have a role to play at a Coronation. The sole duty of royal Dukes is to pay homage in the homage of Peers to the new Monarch. That would be William, followed by Harry, then the other royal Dukes Andrew and Edward (who may well be Duke of Edinburgh by then. Being an official representative of the monarchy has nothing to do with the Homage part of the ceremony, which will be foreshortened I think.

And sorry but I believe you?re wrong about Harry no longer being a senior royal. There was a serious ongoing discussion about what comprised a senior royal  on the big royal forum not so long ago and monarch?s sons, it was agreed, are certainly senior royals.

Curryong

#68
October 17, 2022, 01:40:26 PM
Quote from: wannable on October 17, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
I think with the Sussexes it will be an IF until come 6th May 2023 (or a few weeks before). Only if either party makes an official announcement.

Don?t think so. The guest list for Coronations are made available to the media in the run up to Coronations, and that doesn?t mean immediately before.

wannable

#69
October 17, 2022, 01:42:21 PM
I prefer to wait and see, especially official announcements in reference to who is who for this very historical event.

*****

Camilla (despite the half a dozen media push in re to the Kohinoor diamond) and Kate will probably wear this at the Coronation.  Can't wait for the date to see what each lady will wear.


Curryong

#70
October 17, 2022, 01:49:37 PM
Kate won?t be wearing a crown to Charles?s Coronation. If you look at the one in 1953 all the royal ladies bar the Aueen wore tiaras. And as for crowns, at the moment it?s debatable as to which crown Camilla will be wearing as the Koh-I-Noor debate rumbles on.

PrincessOfPeace

#71
October 17, 2022, 01:52:11 PM
Clearly William as Prince of Wales will have a very public role in the coronation. There's suggestions he will be on the coronation committee. Some 'experts' suggest he will be be the only person to swear his allegiance to the king.

I have no doubt Harry and Meghan will be invited but have no formal role whatsoever.

Curryong

#72
October 17, 2022, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on October 17, 2022, 01:52:11 PM
Clearly William as Prince of Wales will have a very public role in the coronation. Some 'experts' suggest he will be be the only person to swear his allegiance to the king.

I have no doubt Harry and Meghan will be invited but have no formal role whatsoever.

Well, we know what royal ?experts? are like. So accurate, lol. It wasn?t so long ago that they were convinced that the Coronation would be in June!

wannable

#73
October 17, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Curryong on October 17, 2022, 01:49:37 PM
Kate won?t be wearing a crown to Charles?s Coronation. If you look at the one in 1953 all the royal ladies bar the Aueen wore tiaras. And as for crowns, at the moment it?s debatable as to which crown Camilla will be wearing as the Koh-I-Noor debate rumbles on.

I have a feeling the Coronet (lesser crown) will be used by Kate. i.e. the picture I posted.

wannable

#74
October 17, 2022, 02:48:27 PM
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on October 17, 2022, 01:52:11 PM
Clearly William as Prince of Wales will have a very public role in the coronation. There's suggestions he will be on the coronation committee. Some 'experts' suggest he will be be the only person to swear his allegiance to the king.

I have no doubt Harry and Meghan will be invited but have no formal role whatsoever.

The Waleses will have a big job for Charles and Camilla coronation. With the slimming down of the Monarchy and cutting costs here and there, it's not a mid or large train of BRF members involved - attending take a seat.  So it's up to the foursome to make it as much pomp and pageantry as possible.
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