Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky

[Lothwen]

Oh for goodness sakes :rant:

Kate and Camilla went out to lunch once that we have undeniable proof of.  We don't know what they talked about, that is all hearsay.  When Camilla said "We are lucky to have her" that didn't establish Camilla as the official spokesperson for the Royal Family, nor did it establish her as Kate's mentor.  I'll be honest with you, whenever I use we as opposed to I that usually means that I myself am not included in that statement, but I am trying to be politically correct.

If anyone is mentoring Kate for her role in the RF it should be William.  Camilla has her own children, and grandchildren, and Sophie has her own family as well. 

[Iseult]

http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20110326-270296.html
O well that will go down well with Camilla

Of course Charles is going to be the next king. The whole point of the British monarchy is that one follows the other in orderly fashion, except of course when someone declines to do the job as with the late Duke of Windsor. This isn't a talent show or a popularity contest, where people vote for their favourite royal to get to the final and go on to win. If William were offered the top spot while Charles was still alive and healthy enough to reign, he'd turn it down, absolutely no question about that. Anyone who cares two straws for William wouldn't even dream of putting him in that position, they'd understand instinctively that he really loves his father and would never usurp him. Plus, of course, anyone who likes him and/or Kate would never want to force the responsibilities of monarchy on them sooner than necessary, they'd want him to have the freedom of not being monarch for a long time to come.

The British monarchy will continue while it sticks to traditional ways of doing things; yes, it has had to change and adapt in many ways, but it's the underlying permanence of it as a family with a clear-cut line of succssion that gives it stability in a constantly changing world. Tyrants are toppled and governments thrown out of power all over the world, our own government here in Britain isn't immune to these changes, but the royal family and the role of head of state are constants in the middle of it all. We anticipate that Charles will succeed the Queen (unless he dies before her which is unlikely), that William will succeed Charles, and that William and Kate's son or daughter will succeed him, and so on ... Yes, there may be changes not yet foreseen, but the permanence of our royal family and the position of head of state as a member of that family is something the British people as a whole prefer to any other system.

So, to wind up a too-long post, Charles will be King, Camilla will be Queen but will probably use some other title, and in time William will be King and Kate his Queen. Meantime, if Camilla is glad Kate is joining the family, that sounds pretty positive to me. Why anyone would want it to be otherwise I don't know. Camilla is William's father's wife, the woman he loves, so if she gets on well with William's wife that seems to auger well for family harmony for the future. I sometimes feel that instead of wanting them all to get on well together, some people would be happier if they were all fighting like the Ewings of Dallas! The fighting's over, all done and dusted, and having heard many people's opinions of the forthcoming wedding and the future for the royal family, I think things are more positive for them as a whole than they've been for a very long time. The royal wedding, the Queen's diamond jubilee, hopes for a royal baby to secure the line of succession ... what's there to be gloomy about?

[sandy]

Well what else would Camilla say publicly about Kate that she disikes her? It's what happens behind palace doors that is the issue I think Kate better watch her back

Camilla  was in tthe midst of Chare and WIlls mum's marriage and the third person in it

[sandy]

I was a big Diana fan make no mistake and it takes two to tango.

Dont frget that DIana was in the same position as Kate is now SHe had that woman trying to mentor her and gues what happened on the surface Camilla was her guide but undermining her every step of the way. I think Camilla looks after No 1 first and beware if she's crossed.

Back then with lady Diana it took one to tango Camila was in control

Had that Parker Bowles not interfered it woud be Diana out and about with Kate

[sandy]

I was a big Diana fan make no mistake and it takes two to tango.

Remember that DIana was in the same psitiln as Kate is now SHe had that woman trying to mentor her and gues what hppened on the surface Camilla was her guide but undermining her every step of the way. I think Camilla looks after No 1 first and beware if she's crossed.

Back then with lady Diana it took one to tango Camila was in control

[cinrit]

Well what else would Camilla say publicly about Kate that she disikes her? It's what happens behind palace doors that is the issue I think Kate better watch her back

There is no reason in the world to think that Kate had better watch her back.  There is no reason in the world to think that Camilla doesn't mean exactly what she says. :)

Camilla  was in tthe midst of Chare and WIlls mum's marriage and the third person in it

Yes, we know.  But this is not about Charles and Diana's marriage.

Cindy

[sandy]

Camilla is manipulative and from the letters she wrote that became public backstabbed her own husband to the prince  She didn't get where she is today without these sklils not by being "nice" to everybody imo that is I think she was a false friend to Diana for obvious reasons

I think Kate needs to be cautious play the game but be cautious

[Mike]

I wonder if Camilla has any reaction to seeing Diana's ring on Kate's finger.

[cinrit]

I wonder if Camilla has any reaction to seeing Diana's ring on Kate's finger.

I hope not.  Camilla's engagement ring once belonged to Charles' grandmother, so she should understand why a young man would want his fiancee to wear his mother's engagement ring.

Cindy

[amabel]

I wonder if Camilla has any reaction to seeing Diana's ring on Kate's finger.

I hope not.  Camilla's engagement ring once belonged to Charles' grandmother, so she should understand why a young man would want his fiancee to wear his mother's engagement ring.

Cindy

I shouldn't say so either.  She's problaby liek most second wives, occasionally it may be not soemthing you wnat, to see a reminder of your predecessor but I am sur that Camilla does not waste her time "reacting" over every little thing

[sandy]

Well it's history repeating itself. In her note to Diana asking her to lunch she said she wanted to see the "ring." Diana was suspicious that Camilla knew so much about her relationship with Charles as a result. Camilla saw the "ring" at lunch with Diana. IMO Camilla could not help but think of the lunch she had with Lady Diana seeing the very same ring that Kate is wearing.

[amabel]

Do you really think that Camilla spends her time thinking about Diana

[sandy]

I think unless she is totally thick, seeing the ring Lady Diana wore would trigger memories. If she didn't have deja vu maybe she's losing her memory. Why wouldn't it trigger memories Amabel? It's an iconic ring and unless Camilla's seriously losing her memory, she of course would remember it and when she first saw it (she after all had an "up close and personal" look at it and Camilla DID vet Diana as a suitable bride for Prince Charles and invited her to Bolehyde for weekends with Charles).

And should she have forgotten, William certainly made an issue of the origin of "the ring" during the engagement interview. Camilla would have to be thick or in total denial NOT to think about who wore the ring before Kate did.

[cinrit]

^^ Obviously, she knows that the ring belonged to Diana, but I doubt that it made her react in any way.  She, like most people, have put everything in the past ... where it belongs. 

Cindy

[Trudie]

But of course when Camilla would have put everything in the past 6 years ago when she finally bagged Charles but now William is dredging up the past by giving her Diana's ring somehow history does comes back to bite you. One can be sure Camilla is probably worried that her past is re emerging despite the spin to rehabilitate her.

[SophieChloe]

I don't think Camilla gives the ring a second thought. She doesn't strike me as the sort of person that would care or have a sentimental bone in her body, she has Charles now - mind you, she always did.  Poor Diana - she never stood a chance - so sad.  

[Princess Pea]

I have socialised with some pretty hard nut to crack aristos in my time and I think you will find that Camilla has a shell like a nut.
As for that ring well it will feel like Diana is there in spirit, I can't help but feel a new engagement ring should have been given. I mean I don't think I would have been happy receiving my mother in laws engagement ring, as my mother in law went through an upsetting broken marriage. I sometimes wonder what William was thinking of when he gave her that ring.

[Trudie]

It is just possible that Kate was thrilled that William chose to give her that ring that Diana herself picked out and took it as a complement to her that he would give something that was so personal to his beloved mother.

[amabel]

As for that ring well it will feel like Diana is there in spirit, I can't help but feel a new engagement ring should have been given. I mean I don't think I would have been happy receiving my mother in laws engagement ring, as my mother in law went through an upsetting broken marriage. I sometimes wonder what William was thinking of when he gave her that ring.

I agree.  had it been a happy marriage it woudl have been different, but it wasn't.  there are plnety of ways he can remmber his mother....

[sandy]

William was one of the products of the marriage I don't thihk he feels the marriage a tota disaster considering he and Harry were born as a resut of it

[cinrit]

I'm sure William and Harry love both their parents equally well.  It's commendable that they didn't play one against the other, and though I'm sure they've heard most of the stories surrounding the marriage, they don't seem to hold anything against either of their parents.  Good for them.

Cindy

[juliathegreat]

lip service from camilla parker bowles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :doh: :yesss:

[FanDianaFancy]

Well it's history repeating itself. In her note to Diana asking her to lunch she said she wanted to see the "ring." Diana was suspicious that Camilla knew so much about her relationship with Charles as a result. Camilla saw the "ring" at lunch with Diana. IMO Camilla could not help but think of the lunch she had with Lady Diana seeing the very same ring that Kate is wearing.

Oh-oh,I  disgree with  sandy.

A first, LOL!!

I  don't  Camilla  cares  one  way  or less.
Her life is set. Queen  Camilla will reign.  Diana did a favor by dying.
Life's  good.
Now, girlly girl Kate  best watch  her  step   and  not  outshine as she will  do, because in  time  Camilla with find a need to squash  that.
Girly  Kate should not  confine  that  much in  QC  either.
I think that is a    mistake  waiting  to happen with  history  repeating  itself.

[Iseult]

I'm sure William and Harry love both their parents equally well.  It's commendable that they didn't play one against the other, and though I'm sure they've heard most of the stories surrounding the marriage, they don't seem to hold anything against either of their parents.  Good for them.

Cindy

Well, yes, it's possible they've been brought up as Christians and thus taught not to harbour grudges and judge other people. Just a thought ... or have people forgotten William will, when he eventually becomes king, be head of the Church of England?

As for Camilla, I'm sure she's more than happy being Charles's wife and wearing the beautiful ring that originally belonged to Charles's beloved grandmother. I wonder who chose her ring - she or Charles or did they choose it together? It's certainly a much more beautiful and elegant ring than the one Kate's wearing and if I were Kate I think I'd be secretly envious! I don't know anyone who approves of William giving Kate his mother's engagement ring; the only history it has is a history of unhappiness and most people would never choose such a showy gaudy ring for themselves. I feel rather sorry for Kate in this matter of the ring; it seems unfair to saddle her with something she probably would never have chosen if she's had any choice in the matter. My guess is she would have chosen platinum and diamonds, as I think would Diana in her later years (she is reputed to have told friends she didn't like the ring, that it was too fussy and not her style, which I think is true).

But of course rings are only rings and Kate will have plenty of other jewels to wear in the future. As will Camilla ... but I'm not envisaging any fighting over them (bet some others will though!) ... there's more than enough to go round!

[cinrit]

Well, yes, it's possible they've been brought up as Christians and thus taught not to harbour grudges and judge other people. Just a thought ... or have people forgotten William will, when he eventually becomes king, be head of the Church of England?

I don't understand the reference to William being the head of the Church of England.  What has he done that should disqualify him?

As for Camilla, I'm sure she's more than happy being Charles's wife and wearing the beautiful ring that originally belonged to Charles's beloved grandmother. I wonder who chose her ring - she or Charles or did they choose it together? It's certainly a much more beautiful and elegant ring than the one Kate's wearing and if I were Kate I think I'd be secretly envious! I don't know anyone who approves of William giving Kate his mother's engagement ring; the only history it has is a history of unhappiness and most people would never choose such a showy gaudy ring for themselves. I feel rather sorry for Kate in this matter of the ring; it seems unfair to saddle her with something she probably would never have chosen if she's had any choice in the matter. My guess is she would have chosen platinum and diamonds, as I think would Diana in her later years (she is reputed to have told friends she didn't like the ring, that it was too fussy and not her style, which I think is true).

It's all a matter of taste.  Kate looks thrilled with the engagement ring.  Personally, I prefer it to Camilla's ring, which I don't like at all.  I think it's sweet and sentimental of both Charles and William to give as engagement rings the rings of women that they held close to their hearts.  That, in my opinion, outweighs any bad ju-ju anyone might think Diana's ring carries.

Cindy