William-United for Wildlife,Tusk Trust and the Enviornment Patronages/Charities/

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Limabeany

What is United for Wildlife?

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Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.


TLLK


cinrit

QuoteBBC to 'Increase Caution' Over Items Made from Tusks Due to Public Support for for Prince William's Anti-Poaching Campaign

The BBC's Antiques Roadshow is cracking down on ivory appearing in the popular series due to public support for the campaign led by Prince Charles and his son William to stamp out elephant poaching.

The Mail on Sunday can also disclose that a London auction house last week became the first in the country to be prosecuted for selling an illegal carving from an elephant tusk in breach of international wildlife laws. It was fined £3,200.

Attitudes about ivory have hardened in Britain since February when the princes made a video urging world leaders to fight an illicit £6 billion wildlife trade, and help save elephants and rhinos. Last year, 30,000 African elephants were slaughtered.

While there is still no outright ban on ivory, specialists on the TV show have been told to exert 'increased caution' with such items.

More: Antiques Roadshow crackdown on ivory as illicit trade kills 30,000 elephants: BBC to 'increase caution' over items made from tusks due to public

Cindy
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cinrit

This from the article pretty much sums up the effect William's and Harry's (the article gives credit to princes, plural, not just William) involvement in the problem has:

QuoteAttitudes about ivory have hardened in Britain since February when the princes made a video urging world leaders to fight an illicit £6 billion wildlife trade, and help save elephants and rhinos. Last year, 30,000 African elephants were slaughtered.

Cindy
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HistoryGirl

I've always found this an interesting topic. The human effect on wildlife is at times frightening, but also opens up questions about the desire for humans to dominate.

wannable

The BBC and Fiona did the right thing relating it to Princes William and Harry; the prior is the Royal Patron to Tusk Trust and United for Wildlife, he formed this latest charity grouping the majority of wildlife conservationist, a long term commitment signed by the group members.

William's messages with famous people who agree with him have reached worldwide media, including a box game with him as centre stage to create the awareness.

TLLK

^^^Have a different opinion on the subject. I do know that William's conservation efforts are to protect the endangered wildlife around the globe that are being slaughtered for folk medicine, ivory, and "interesting" decor. Spain's Juan Carlos's Botswana trip to shoot elephants would be an example of the type of "sport" killing that should be ended.

Animals that are not endangered ie: wild boar that have successful recovered their numbers, cause damage to the environment due to over population etc.. are not in the same category for me. However I do understand that others will have a different opinion.

TLLK

I do believe that biologists and others that study the impact of humans and animals can provide us with the best information on which animals are endangered and which are not. The poachers are doing battle with park rangers for the remaining elephants, rhinos, tigers etc.. so I do believe that their input and information is vital to cause.

I do agree that nature will cull on its own through viruses etc... but those who manage wildlife ie: National Park rangers have knowledge of the impact of overgrazing, overpopulation on the environment that sustains not just one species of animal. If they believe that a controlled hunt is necessary to keep herds at a manageable level then I do believe that it is necessary.

TLLK

And some will take into consideration the information provided by biologists and those who study the impact of animals' and human impact upon the environment. :)

TLLK

I disagree. (SURPRISE!!!)  :happy20:The animals being focused upon by United for Wildlife are those who are documented as being endangered and on the verge of extinction ie: elephants, rhinos tigers-JC's Botswana hunting trip.  The deer and boar that might be culled by hunters and consumed as food (Wales' brothers trip to Spain) are in a different category IMO.


Canuck

I'm with you, TLLK.  Although I personally don't like hunting for sport (culling animals is another thing, and where scientists say that must be done, I certainly support it), I don't think it's necessarily hypocritical to oppose poaching of endangered animals while hunting non-threatened animals yourself.

It comes down to what your reasons are for opposing poaching.  If it's about just not wanting animals to die unnecessarily, then that's something that applies also to other types of hunting.  But if it's about not wanting to see endangered species disappear entirely, then that's not a concern with, for example, sport hunting of certain types of birds in Britain.

I do think that Will and Harry's hunting trip was poorly timed from a PR standpoint.  But I don't think it's the same thing as hunting endangered rhinos in Tanzania.

HistoryGirl

Quote from: TLLK on October 27, 2014, 02:37:12 PM
And some will take into consideration the information provided by biologists and those who study the impact of animals' and human impact upon the environment. :)

You know, I used to hate the idea of hunting any animal. But then I read up on it considering the views of hunters (practically everyone I know hunts) and then I realized that some animals do indeed do a lot of damage to crops and are a nuisance to other species specially if they are exotic and hunting certain species is actually good for the environment. Obviously it must be monitored, but hunting an endangered species does seem different than hunting during a cull.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not an avid hunter or any hunter whatsoever for that matter lol and I do still wonder how it can be fun. I think it's something you either get or you don't. But I do tend to agree that there is still a difference between hunting for environmental purposes and killing lions and elephants which are endangered.

TLLK

 :goodpost: Going off topic here- HG there is a great video of Yellowstone and how its environment has changed for the better since wolves were reintroduced. It's fascinating to see how their reintroduction even altered the course of the Yellowstone River.

HistoryGirl

Quote from: TLLK on October 27, 2014, 05:37:15 PM
:goodpost: Going off topic here- HG there is a great video of Yellowstone and how its environment has changed for the better since wolves were reintroduced. It's fascinating to see how their reintroduction even altered the course of the Yellowstone River.

Thanks for the suggestion! Yeah it's such a controversial topic at times you know, is human interference with the environment morally correct or justifiable? But then you hear of instances like that and think, as long as it is monitored and done for the good of the balance in a community or habitat then it can do a world of good.

Canuck

Three events with one patronage (plus the twice yearly Royal Foundation meetings the patronages and Will/Kate/Harry take part in) over the course of a year is actually far more attention than most Royal patronages get.  Will's not there to run the charity, he's there to raise its profile and increase its fundraising -- both of which are probably served better by having a few events a year rather than weekly meetings or something of that sort.

TLLK

Quote from: Canuck on October 27, 2014, 06:11:31 PM
Three events with one patronage (plus the twice yearly Royal Foundation meetings the patronages and Will/Kate/Harry take part in) over the course of a year is actually far more attention than most Royal patronages get.  Will's not there to run the charity, he's there to raise its profile and increase its fundraising -- both of which are probably served better by having a few events a year rather than weekly meetings or something of that sort.
I wonder if we'll see a repeat of the 2013 Winter Event at KP for fundraising or will the event planners have something else in mind for future fundraising galas?

Canuck

I was wondering the same thing, TLLK.  I don't know whether that was an annual event or a one-off.

Canuck

I don't think anyone is "missing the point", just disagreeing about what the point is.

If Will said hunting endangered animals is wrong because any unnecessary killing is bad, then he would certainly be a hypocrite.  If, however, he says hunting endangered animals is wrong because it threatens to entirely kill out species, then that objection would not apply to legal sport hunting in the UK.  I have always gotten the impression that he takes the latter position -- he doesn't want to see rhinos, elephants, etc. disappear from the world.

TLLK

No it's just that I along with others don't believe that he is being hypocritical when he hunts animals that require careful, seasonal and regulated  culling and then works as a conservationist to protect endangered species.

I understand that you feel differently though as do others. :)

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Quote from: Canuck on October 28, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
I don't think anyone is "missing the point", just disagreeing about what the point is.

If Will said hunting endangered animals is wrong because any unnecessary killing is bad, then he would certainly be a hypocrite.  If, however, he says hunting endangered animals is wrong because it threatens to entirely kill out species, then that objection would not apply to legal sport hunting in the UK.  I have always gotten the impression that he takes the latter position -- he doesn't want to see rhinos, elephants, etc. disappear from the world.
ITA Canuck

cate1949

this is interesting seems Will has persuaded the angry birds people to release an anti poaching version

Prince William recruits Angry Birds to protect wildlife - Yahoo News//

Canuck

It's neat to see Will partnering with various games and using social media, sports stars, etc. To promote United for Wildlife.  He seems to understand the need to get young people interested in the cause, and I think he's taking the right steps to try to draw them into this cause.