Welcome to Part 8 of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's New Chapter thread.It's being reported today a private event Meghan did 2 months ago in the Hague (during Invcitus Games) (Mid April 2022)
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Meghan's surprise engagement during the Invictus Games: Duchess gave 'inspiring feedback' during visit to an entrepreneurship course for girls and non-binary youngsters in The Netherlands
Good news from the Invictus Games.
Yes, the Games were certainly a success and brought some great publicity to the cause of wounded and maimed veterans.
New thread. The old one was getting long.
Chat away!
:laugh10:.....I think my opinion on the Sussex's is widely known here and elsewhere..so Thank you for the chat yet not going there as I need to learn how to express my opinion in a calmer and more mature way....... as my sister has told me many times.
Just know that nothing they do in the future to tear down the monarchy will ever surprise me! Maybe a trip to Rwanda for both of them staying in huts with no toilet will teach them to appreciate what they have given up and what they have today.
Quote from: Curryong on June 13, 2022, 08:50:48 PM
Yes, the Games were certainly a success and brought some great publicity to the cause of wounded and maimed veterans.
And those particular veterans do very much need and deserve it.
Newsweek is suggesting Spotify will be cancelling the Sussex contract.
It's spreading like fire in social media.
Sky News Australia
@SkyNewsAust
Sky News contributor Daisy Cousens says ''there was so much hype'' around Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's deals with Spotify and Netflix but little has been released.
Update on the legal action being taken by the Duke against the Home Office.
https://twitter.com/MattSunRoyal/status/1544638256721035272?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
QuoteNew: Prince Harry v The Home Office trial will start tomorrow at The Royal Courts of Justice in London, it has been confirmed. The Duke is appealing a decision to remove his security after he and Meghan quit royal duty to start new life in the US.
Throwing ALL the toys out of the pram.
He wants UK security to protect him from the US gun happy Amendment 2.
Scared to be at HM Jubilee Parade, Happy to be at gun happy Wyoming 4thJuly Parade! It all makes a lot of sense.
Prince Harry had 'significant tensions' with top royal aide Sir Edward Young, High Court hears | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10990445/Prince-Harrys-begins-battle-Home-Office-police-protection-UK-visits-Meghan.html)
Prince Harry Seeks Judicial Review Over U.K. Police Protection | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-seeks-judicial-review-over-uk-police-protection-for-his-family/)
Prince Harry admits to 'significant tensions' with the Queen's private secretary | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220707144774/prince-harry-significant-tensions-queen-private-secretary-state-security/)
Prince Harry's legal battle continues following family trip to Wyoming | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220707144728/prince-harry-legal-battle-heard-high-court-details/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62044951
Prince Harry told Royal Family tensions 'irrelevant' to status change 'Striking inability' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1636965/prince-harry-court-case-security-row-home-office-duke-of-sussex-latest-update)
Harry wants Archie and Lilibet to 'know his home' as Duke prepares for security showdown | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1636740/prince-harry-archie-lilibet-security-latest)
Prince Harry 'kept in dark' by palace amid 'significant tensions' with top aide - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-not-told-royal-27422189)
Prince Harry lays bare 'significant tensions' with Queen's top aide as he sues Home Office over protection row | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19117618/prince-harry-significant-tensions-queen-aid-security/)
Duke and Duchess of Sussex against tabloids and newspapers Part 2 (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=95073.msg1507719#msg1507719)
See #53
Omid Scobie
@scobie
In his role as @BetterUp Chief Impact Officer, Prince Harry has interviewed Olympic snowboarder
@ChloeKim and psychologist @AdamMGrant for a short film about developing proactive mental fitness practices.
Full video: A discussion on Mental Fitness (http://betterup.com/mental-fitness)
Harry is due to make a keynote speech at the UN General Assembly next month.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-harry-to-give-keynote-speech-at-un-general-assembly/news-story/f80325bd30cff02add5c0d4889738665
The General Assembly are on holiday, their first ''general assembly is in September.
The Mandela Foundation as every year on Mandela Day, July 18 uses the UN and anyone can go to the meeting of Mandela Day.
IMO, Sunshine Sach is bigging Prince Harry with disinformation by using the ''General Assembly''.
Scroll down and check: 1. Date and office location 2. Topic
UN General Assembly - Schedule of General Assembly plenary and related meetings (https://www.un.org/en/ga/info/meetings/76schedule.shtml)
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The ''UN General Assembly'' 77th Session of the UN General Assembly
The 77th session of the UN General Assembly will open on Tuesday, 13 September 2022. The first day of the high-level General Debate will be Tuesday, 20 September 2022.
dates: 13-27 September 2022
location: New York City, US
^ The annual meetings take place September to December.
''Other topics'' are discussed by invitation or open to organizations from Mid January to July.
There's nothing for August yet in the official website
ETA: ''Informal'' meeting of plenary means it's not mandatory to assist by ''The Plenary'' of the UN General Assembly.
In other news in the website the Nelson Mandela Foundation are the ones who pass invitations, like they did extending it to Prince Harry, speech.
Note: I've decided to post this information only because it is new to me a couple hours ago (importantly factual from the official website) and noticed too many South Africans in youtube and social media absolutely annoyed treading to worse sentiments that the Mandela Fundation has given Prince Harry the mic.
Yes, I expected you would denigrate this invitation by the Nelson Mandela Foundation, and bring in, inevitably negative social media reactions. It happens every time either of the Sussexes are invited to speak anywhere faintly notable. The fact is that Harry has been invited to speak and he is going to attend and make a speech. All the negativity and chit chattering of all the social media in the world isn?t going to change that fact. I just remain faintly amused by all the effort expanded by Sussex denigrators to rush excitedly to point out to their supporters this and that.
I'm not denigrating, I'm being factual versus the Sunshine Sach version they emailed to the media worldwide, hence my comment about 'learning a couple of hours ago', using the official UN website.
It is terrible (or not) that the own citizens of South Africa (verified accounts with location in South Africa to famous South African youtubers) are annoyed the Mandela Foundation chose Harry, from He doesn't represent Nelson Mandela's philosophy of life (one SA journalist listed 75 NM quotes, Harry is the opposite breaking multiple times NM famous quotes, ensuing comments were brutal). These voices conclude Mandela Foundation chose Prince Harry for worldwide mentions, publicity. How can one be angry that citizens from Mandela's own country citizenship are pissed off with the Mandela family?!
IF it were the per usual social media accounts I'd agree that the narrative is the same, but it's not. The exposure of unwanted person isn't limited to UK and USA, it's getting worldwide. Does Harry know, I'm almost sure he already does since yesterday (because of the updated information in the UN official website)
Can't blame messengers of reality. The fault lies with the Sussexes publicity and media communications person/company hired/organization. Bigging up, putting out their fluffy or damaging lies, when found out they themselves are to blame.
Twitter mobs anywhere do not represent what the citizenry of the world think about anything. And I will be watching and reading what Harry says in his speech at the UN thanks. I don?t care what anti-Sussex people care to impart about this couple, thanks. I think for myself. And if you wish to have an echo chamber of pro Cambridge/anti Sussex sentiment in this forum that is up to you but I am entitled to speak my opinion here.
*Actual FACTS* are to be believed, not assumptions, innuendos, gossip, lies, rumors, stories, just good ole plain FACTS, something the the Sussex's just do not understand as we have all seen on Oprah and all the lies they told.......Here is what gets me seeing red about the Sussex's.....They tell LIES which can be *fact* checked yet so many people approve of their telling LIES.......why? It makes them look bad and untrustworthy, just tell the darn truth and let the chips fall where they fall. This is just me, I have told the truth even when it has hurt me deeply and I suffered for it yet that had to be done because I am of the firm belief that the *truth* always comes out in the end and wins. Now if only my congress would learn those lessons!
Prince Harry will be among the delegates who are commemorating the late Nelson Mandela today in NY.
https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1548996836177973252
QuoteU.N. General Assembly's commemoration of Nelson Mandela International Day will start at 10 AM EST (New York) (in just over 2 hours).
& will last 1.5 hours with speeches from delegates from around the world.
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I think they should change the date to before summer holidays and make it obligatory, Nelson Mandela deserves a full audience.
There's plenty of empty seats. The Mandela day has started.
Free live streaming
Nelson Mandela International Day - Informal meeting of the General Assembly plenary, 76th session | UN Web TV (https://media.un.org/en/asset/k14/k14k0v9oz7)
Harry delivered a good speech.
Again, shame Mandela Day isn't before the summer holiday.
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Video of Prince Harry's speech today.
Prince Harry Delivers Speech on Nelson Mandela International Day - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8m4R-GD1vY)
Quote from: TLLK on July 18, 2022, 07:12:49 PM
Video of Prince Harry's speech today.
Prince Harry Delivers Speech on Nelson Mandela International Day - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8m4R-GD1vY)
Thanks TLLK, I enjoyed that speech. I actually remember seeing Diana?s meeting with Nelson Mandela. How lucky she was to talk to him and enjoy his presence. He?s one of my heroes. Good to know that Harry has met and spoken to so many of the man?s friends, family and colleagues over the years, including Archbishop Tutu.
Why was Prince Harry invited to give a speech about Nelson Mandela?
The British royal offered an insipid, cliche-laden take that only further watered down the anti-apartheid icon's story.
By Zeeshan Aleem, MSNBC Opinion Columnist
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1297357
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on July 19, 2022, 12:15:53 AM
Why was Prince Harry invited to give a speech about Nelson Mandela?
The British royal offered an insipid, cliche-laden take that only further watered down the anti-apartheid icon's story.
By Zeeshan Aleem, MSNBC Opinion Columnist
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1297357
Well, that?s only one bloke?s opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Harry wasn?t there to comment for hours on Mandella?s actions as a South African politician. And unlike Aleem, Harry at least knows members of Nelson Mandella?s family, friends and colleagues who stood beside him in his years of struggle.
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Perhaps the calculation was that Harrys celebrity would draw attention to an important historical figure. But the price of such a vulgar wager is that Mandelas extraordinary legacy was watered down even more.
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Too many empty seats, a YouTube video panning 360 made it more evident. Delegations didnt send not even the most junior employee to stand in, a janitor in orange sat at one of the end seats with his 🧹 , what happened to the black community to fill the guest seats. In the YouTube video almost completely empty towards the left of the podium.
In reference to the diplomatic delegations, its known to send a representative be it a junior or a secretary, but not even that. IMO a sign of disapproval.
By the way, the comments of the above political journalist is being replicated by others too, they expect too much depth in a speech rather than a bit cheesy stuff.
I?ve been used to important political speeches being made in the Commons and here in the House of Reps to half empty seating to take any notice. Were Harry and Meghan in charge of the seating arrangements and guest list? Or was that the responsibility of the Mandella Foundation? There is no evidence whatsoever that diplomatic delegations disapproved of anything at all. That?s your take on it.
There were other keynote speakers there as well, btw. As for disapproval in the media the Sussexes are used to it.
?journalist is being replicated by others too, they expect too much depth in a speech rather than a bit cheesy stuff.?
That?s rather funny, considering you called Harry?s speech a ?good one? earlier today.
Quote from: wannable on July 18, 2022, 03:10:45 PM
Harry delivered a good speech.
Again, shame Mandela Day isn't before the summer holiday.
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Harry has always been good at relating to people and is a natural speaker. However, I am at odds with him over many, if not most, of his comments. He was honored to be asked to give the speech and he has influence, but he missed the opportunity to inspire.
Prince Harry speech: Duke wades into US politics again at empty UN for Nelson Mandela Day | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11024503/Prince-Harry-set-lecture-General-Assembly-poverty.html)
Prince Harry says photo of Princess Diana meeting Nelson Mandela remains on 'his wall and his heart' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11025153/Prince-Harry-says-photo-Princess-Diana-meeting-Nelson-Mandela-remains-wall-heart.html)
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Is there any country that is good enough for the woke Duke, asks MEGHAN MCCAIN | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11025959/Is-country-good-woke-Duke-asks-MEGHAN-MCCAIN.html)
Prince Harry mercilessly mocked by South African press for preachy speech honoring Nelson Mandela | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11025089/Just-like-Madiba-hes-lot-Prince-Harry-mercilessly-mocked-South-African-media.html)
Prince Harry Reveals When He Knew Meghan Markle Was His 'Soulmate' | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-calls-meghan-markle-soulmate-un-speech/)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Arrive at the UN for Nelson Mandela Day | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-new-york-city-un-nelson-mandela-day/)
Prince Harry reveals where he feels closest to late mother Princess Diana | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220718145709/prince-harry-princess-diana-keynote-speech-nelson-mandela-international-day/)
Prince Harry calls Meghan Markle his 'soulmate' on rare New York outing - best photos | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220718145683/prince-harry-meghan-markle-nelson-mandela-day/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-62217261
Prince Harry says 'this has been a painful year, in a painful decade' in United Nations Mandela Day speech | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-says-this-has-been-a-painful-year-in-a-painful-decade-in-united-nations-mandela-day-speech-12654656)
Nigel Farage blasts Prince Harry after UN speech for 'never working a day in his life' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642467/nigel-farage-prince-harry-meghan-markle-un-speech)
Prince Harry mocked as picture emerges of near-empty UN crowd 'Was a packed house' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642416/prince-harry-un-speech-empty-crowd-united-nations-general-assembly-latest-photos)
Royal Family: No elected office! Prince Harry speech sparks row 'Why is he at UN?' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642001/Royal-Family-LIVE-Meghan-and-Harry-s-new-Netflix-plot)
Prince Harry 'shining' as he recalls Princess Diana in UN Nelson Mandela Day speech | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642381/prince-harry-diana-princess-wales-united-nations-nelson-mandela-day-new-york-africa-royal)
Harry blasts world leaders for 'assault on democracy' and preaches on US politics AGAIN | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642317/prince-harry-announcement-un-meeting-speech-nelson-mandela-meghan-markle-royal-family)
?Harry?s voice but Meghan?s words? Duke and Duchess accused of being FAKE over UN speech | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642071/Prince-Harry-announcement-today-UN-meeting-speech-Duke-Sussex-Meghan-Markle-latest-news)
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-18/harry-warns-of-global-assault-on-democracy-and-freedom-in-speech-about-mandela
Prince Harry's plea for 'global leaders to lead' as 'the world is on fire again' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-plea-global-leaders-27513155)
Prince Harry has a touching picture of Princess Diana with Nelson Mandela on his wall - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry-touching-picture-princess-27512843)
Prince Harry's a lost soul who thinks he's a modern-day Mandela - but he's not fit to sew his brightly coloured shirt | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19239294/prince-harry-modern-day-nelson-mandela-piers-morgan/)
Prince Harry only did his UN talk for money & his Netflix show, royal biographer Tom Bower tells Piers Morgan on TalkTV | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19241524/harry-un-talk-money-netflix-show-piers-morgan-talktv/)
Prince Harry wades into politics after arriving at UN with Meghan Markle amid rumours duchess wants to run for President | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19238993/meghan-markle-supports-prince-harry-un-speech/)
Prince Harry speech: Duke wades into US politics again at empty UN for Nelson Mandela Day | Daily Mail Online
I don't think Harry should be meddling in US Politics. He is entitled to his opinions, of course, but as he is not a US citizen and is a guest in the US he should, in my opinion, behave like a guest and not be so critical. And if COVID and the environment have affected him as he says in his speech, then he has other important things to spend his time and energy on.
There were red flags once SS sent the email to the media about Mandela Day. The PR machine and the couple themselves harm their image, brand, whatever you want to call it with every decision they do. They want the couple to be more than what Harry (and Meghan for 1 year and 7 months) was when working as a senior royal, ''soft power influencer'' to ''world power conquerors'' As Tom Bower said in one of the extracts; SS filled H&M with a bunch of gobbledygook that they were some kind of Gods better and superior than anyone in the BRF, not in this exact words but basically that.
I don't need to read any more articles from broadsheet to tabloids about Harry's speech, basically 98% criticize the many quotes from the speech to choose from and make more than 2 dozens of different subjects, not kidding, I've read enough. IMO he simply was asked because the Mandela Foundation thought the couple (or Harry) would bring in the crowds, he was the only celebrity that had a speech (I thought it was 'good' as expected from Him, with poor grades in education and what not, etc that many of the articles also said he really doesn't work hard to get results, it takes years to have a bit of authority in subject (s), so he used his mom rather than dad who actually had ''deeper'' conversations for an entire week Mandela came to the UK for a tour, the couple alike want fast results, that's a fail right there), everyone else in the list are active politicians with a government active position, minus 2 award activist (who really work in real life 5 days a week and aren't virtue signaling Mandela's teachings once every blue moon) that the Mandela Foundation with expert help from the outside gives every 5 years.
SARAH VINE: Oh, Harry, please stop being such a preachy, dreary bore | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11029753/SARAH-VINE-Oh-Harry-stop-preachy-dreary-bore.html)
Harry and Meghan are working with Nelson Mandela Foundation on a 'leadership development' project | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11029253/Harry-Meghan-working-Nelson-Mandela-Foundation-leadership-development-project.html)
Prince Harry's 'scruffy' hair and 'crumpled' clothing during his UN speech shocks royal fans | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11027367/Prince-Harrys-scruffy-hair-crumpled-clothing-speech-shocks-royal-fans.html)
Meghan Markle fans gush over moment she shared her water bottle with coughing woman | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11027319/Meghan-Markle-fans-gush-moment-shared-water-bottle-coughing-woman.html)
Prince Harry was mistakenly referred to as the Duke of Wessex after keynote speech | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11027533/Prince-Harry-mistakenly-referred-Duke-Wessex-keynote-speech.html)
I nearly wrote speeches for Meghan and Harry - Now I hopes the Queen strips them of their titles | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11032677/I-nearly-wrote-speeches-Meghan-Harry-hopes-Queen-strips-titles.html)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry enjoy New York date night after emotional outing | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220719145724/prince-harry-meghan-markle-dine-new-york-restaurant/)
Prince Harry 'very, very nervous' with public speaking notes expert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642929/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-family-un-general-assembly-nelson-mandela-day-vn)
Prince Harry row as Duke accused of 'copying and pasting' Prince William speech at UN | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642799/prince-harry-row-duke-accused-copying-and-pasting-william-speech-united-nations-new-york)
Prince Harry blasted for 'mouthing off' about US politics 'Too arrogant to shut up' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642621/prince-harry-un-speech-Nelson-Mandela-us-politics-abortion-meghan-markle)
Meghan Markle 'kind and caring' as she rushes to help coughing woman at UN assembly | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1642827/meghan-markle-news-video-duchess-of-sussex-un-prince-harry-speech)
'Miserable' Prince Harry riddled with 'tension and anxiety' at UN with Meghan - expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-riddled-tension-anxiety-27517489)
Prince Harry accused of 'copying and pasting' Prince William speech at UN in New York - World News - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/prince-harry-accused-copying-pasting-27523807)
Keep your royal nose out! US Supreme Court Justice MOCKS Prince Harry for attacking decision to clamp down on access to abortion in the US
^ I agree, the US Supreme Court did the right thing giving each State to decide if they allow or not abortion. California allows it. (ETA: For those who don't know a Federal law is a Supremacy Clause versus anything else less, so abortion was taken out of being a Federal Law and is a State Law/each state decide or not if they allow abortion in their State) Crying over spilt milk IMO. If one really wants to get rid, cross state borders or better yet get sexual education, practice it so one doesn't have to kill a unborn.
Quote from: wannable on July 29, 2022, 12:46:48 PM
Keep your royal nose out! US Supreme Court Justice MOCKS Prince Harry for attacking decision to clamp down on access to abortion in the US
^ I agree, the US Supreme Court did the right thing giving each State to decide if they allow or not abortion. California allows it. (ETA: For those who don't know a Federal law is a Supremacy Clause versus anything else less, so abortion was taken out of being a Federal Law and is a State Law/each state decide or not if they allow abortion in their State) Crying over spilt milk IMO. If one really wants to get rid, cross state borders or better yet get sexual education, practice it so one doesn't have to kill a unborn.
I agree. Roe v. Wade was not constitutional and that was not the right way to protect the right of choice. If a federal law to protect the right to choose is wanted, Harry could have used the speech to promote the need for a grass roots effort for an amendment to the Constitution. Instead he followed the political, false, showboat bandwagon and attached the SCOTUS. It is also very hard to accept criticism and a lecture from someone who is not a naturalized citizen. If one is a guest, one doesn't criticize the host.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on July 29, 2022, 01:53:10 PM
I agree. Roe v. Wade was not constitutional and that was not the right way to protect the right of choice. If a federal law to protect the right to choose is wanted, Harry could have used the speech to promote the need for a grass roots effort for an amendment to the Constitution. Instead he followed the political, false, showboat bandwagon and attached the SCOTUS. It is also very hard to accept criticism and a lecture from someone who is not a naturalized citizen. If one is a guest, one doesn't criticize the host.
I have to agree regarding Prince Harry's latest comments regarding the United States' Constitution. He's a guest here in his wife's native country and I do not appreciate his remarks. I had hoped that he'd learned that from his last comment about the First Amendment. <_< To be honest, it would have been better if it had not been included in his speech. Meghan is an American, so I don't take issue with her expressing her opinions on the topics that affect our nation.
My view of this is when the first world countries wanted to invest, make business, open all sorts of industries in 3rd world countries, the latter agreed they can with a huge extra investment where the prior (prior being: Old Europe, UK, USA, Canada, basically the G8!) at the UN would criticize heavily; a majority of poor people and no sexual education, all factual because of statistics. So millions of dollars were given to ministries of education and where monies were mostly needed to develop these countries. Sexual Education was/is obligatory, graded and making sure every student knows that they come from countries that make children like cats and dogs...to put it mildly, almost to the brink of traumatizing people about having unwanted children because they are poor or a teenager, both women/men. (My dad, rest in peace, was a expat Vice President of one of the 5 largest industries in the world, we got superb education and read all sorts of stats to the countries we hop, skip and jump every 2, 4 or 5 years)
Reverse the situation, all those woke moaners in the USA prefer to abort abort abort rather than get educated.
My point being, Harry (and Meghan) are bandwagoners that do little rather than extensive research. Also this Harry saying that Democracy is being !"?$%, isn't true. Matter of fact IS that the Supreme Court DID practice democracy by FIXING what should always have been a State Law rather than a Federal Law.
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Reverse the situation, all those woke moaners in the USA prefer to abort abort abort rather than get educated.
Currently, just 29 U.S. states and Washington D.C. mandate sex education in schools, and only 11 states and D.C. require LGBTQ-inclusive sex education. What?s more, of the states that mandate sex education, 15 states do not require the content to be evidence-informed, medically accurate, and complete.
Experts acknowledge the wide gap between the sexual health education that young people currently receive and the tools they need to be informed about their bodies and sexual health.
What happened? I really get angry when 1 step forward, 1000 steps back happens. I mean come on, as a daughter to an expat exploiting (developing) poor countries....I still don't know why the minority of woke moaners cry over abortion versus sexual edu.
Quote from: wannable on July 29, 2022, 02:50:01 PM
Currently, just 29 U.S. states and Washington D.C. mandate sex education in schools, and only 11 states and D.C. require LGBTQ-inclusive sex education. What?s more, of the states that mandate sex education, 15 states do not require the content to be evidence-informed, medically accurate, and complete.
Experts acknowledge the wide gap between the sexual health education that young people currently receive and the tools they need to be informed about their bodies and sexual health.
What happened? I really get angry when 1 step forward, 1000 steps back happens. I mean come on, as a daughter to an expat exploiting (developing) poor countries....I still don't know why the minority of woke moaners cry over abortion versus sexual edu.
I do not know any persons in US public life who support abortion and are upset about what has happened to Roe-Wade who are fine and OK with restricted sex education in US State schools, whether that is LGBTQ or not. LGBTQ education is a fairly new phenomenon. However it?s been known for decades that poorer, more rural States, especially in the South, have never provided quality sex education. These States are usually (though not all) poor, have less innovative, more conservative State legislatures and very conservative School boards. Many are red States in fact, and several have less tertiary educated populations.
If I as an Aussie (who has nevertheless visited the US on occasions) know that educators and Dems have been complaining about third class sex education in these States for decades then I?m absolutely sure that US citizens who take an interest would know about it also. Enough articles have been written about it over the years.
This is an article from back in 2016 which has facts and figures on it.
America?s Sex Education: How We Are Failing Our Students | Nursing@USC (https://nursing.usc.edu/blog/americas-sex-education/)
I agree with you all that the discussion should begin with the need for improved sex education. Apparently it will take brave spokes-folk to address this as well as abortion and the right to choose. I expect that in the USA the quality of sex education will and does depend on the states and school departments. In the meantime, I discussed at length with my children, even though it was hard at times.
^ I'm looking for the line chart science article I read when the subject exploded, I tried to read all sides. There WAS a time when sex edu WAS working (as in being conscious about being responsible, taking responsibility of ones actions, virtual signaling and blaming others didn't exist) in the USA. I'm almost sure it's Generation X (I'll keep looking for that article, very very long and scientific). The science find after Gen X, half of the millennial going forward want everything ''fast''. Quick ''solutions (that pretty much sounds like a band aid/plaster solutions), no long term think tanks to most if not all subjects, if I don't like I quit mentality the gen Z is worst. I actually wanted to further research, because in my industry the Gen X (I'm Gen X) are being asked to stay longer than retirement, which would be an interesting subject in coffee board/thread.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on July 29, 2022, 10:39:09 PM
I agree with you all that the discussion should begin with the need for improved sex education. Apparently it will take brave spokes-folk to address this as well as abortion and the right to choose. I expect that in the USA the quality of sex education will and does depend on the states and school departments. In the meantime, I discussed at length with my children, even though it was hard at times.
The brave folk in the 70, 80 and 90s were hell bent to make UN speeches about 3rd world countries, hence my previous to the latest comment. So the solution was to give more monies IF you as a 1st world country wanted to invest in Africa, Latin America, Asia minus China. And IT WORKED (the exploiters, my Dad included used the majority of whatever religion practiced in the country, learned about it, respect it as a ''guest'' speak about sex, babies, abortion, nothing over the line, nothing spooky, very measured....he transmitted this to us 6 kids who are also guests, of course it is stuck with me, really many things about culture of each country I visited), so I'm a bit sad and angry at the same time with whatever minority group shouting for abortion rather than sex education.
Note: Dad worked for an American giant worldwide, so yes the corporation had a ''welcome booklet'' (for each country we went) for the parent, spouse and the children. It had all sorts of unique info that we all had to learn before stepping out of a airplane and setting foot. An expat bad behaviour is and will probably end up in the news of a 3rd world country, more so because we come to ''rule'' with monies giving lectures about wherever monies was invested other than the monies to make a company and start production.
Let's now return to the topic of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex-A New Chapter Part 8.
Prince Harry 'not welcomed' by Princess Anne and Sophie Wessex at Philip's funeral | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1646574/prince-harry-princess-anne-sophie-wessex-prince-philip-royal-family-spt)
Quote from: sara8150 on July 30, 2022, 01:28:21 AM
Prince Harry 'not welcomed' by Princess Anne and Sophie Wessex at Philip's funeral | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1646574/prince-harry-princess-anne-sophie-wessex-prince-philip-royal-family-spt)
Well, thats a lie for a start off as Sophie detailed a long chat with Harry at Philip?s funeral.
Sophie combats claims she snubbed Harry at Philip's funeral by pointing to 'lengthy' chat | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1445896/sophie-wessex-prince-harry-prince-philip-funeral-ignored-lengthy-chat-spt)
Quote from: Curryong on July 30, 2022, 02:17:09 AM
Well, thats a lie for a start off as Sophie detailed a long chat with Harry at Philip?s funeral.
Sophie combats claims she snubbed Harry at Philip's funeral by pointing to 'lengthy' chat | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1445896/sophie-wessex-prince-harry-prince-philip-funeral-ignored-lengthy-chat-spt)
That was her gentle way of saying that there is a lot behind the scenes that the press does not see. Perhaps he had a chance to speak to many of his relatives after the service when the press was not there.
Nothing important was said, if not Harry would have gone running to a 🎤 in less than 24 hours.
Quote from: wannable on July 30, 2022, 02:49:23 PM
Nothing important was said, if not Harry would have gone running to a 🎤 in less than 24 hours.
He might have done - and if he did the family would have made sure there was more than one of them involved in the discussion. Harry probably wouldn't have had anything to say to the press, as the family would have made light niceties the basis of conversations.
It probably doesn't sell like hours after PP funeral, he told Gayle King that the conversation with Charles and William ''were not productive''. The couple wreck so much havoc, it's hard to keep up or remember, then google is my friend. The next day all front page news had Harry (and Gayle King simulating on the phone with Harry) with the ''NOT PRODUCTIVE'' in Super font 18 and bold letters rather than the solemn Queen saying goodbye to her lifetime partner.
IMO everytime people abuse the elderly, the more I dislike them. He has become so dissociative he thinks that trashing Charles, William doesn't affect the Queen, Camilla, Kate. He really needs all sorts of help from people that really care for him, rather than the paid people who don't and encourage him to be worse by the minute, hour, day, week, month.
Quote from: wannable on July 31, 2022, 06:03:33 PM
It probably doesn't sell like hours after PP funeral, he told Gayle King that the conversation with Charles and William ''were not productive''. The couple wreck so much havoc, it's hard to keep up or remember, then google is my friend. The next day all front page news had Harry (and Gayle King simulating on the phone with Harry) with the ''NOT PRODUCTIVE'' in Super font 18 and bold letters rather than the solemn Queen saying goodbye to her lifetime partner.
IMO everytime people abuse the elderly, the more I dislike them. He has become so dissociative he thinks that trashing Charles, William doesn't affect the Queen, Camilla, Kate. He really needs all sorts of help from people that really care for him, rather than the paid people who don't and encourage him to be worse by the minute, hour, day, week, month.
He has always appeared to "shoot from the hip", "leap before looking", and display "Harry Hotspur" tendencies. Very sad, and I feel terrible for the Queen and the POW as well as all the family.
In retrospect, I would have hoped Gayle King (especially because she has children!) would talk to Harry and tell him with a God Honest Truth that hours or even days or a couple of weeks NO ONE IN A FAMILY should have between them a 'productive' discussion (aftermath PP death, for God's Sake, every company in the world has compassionate leave...what's up with Harry, gone mad, and Gayle is mad too), especially when there is estrangement. The moment she notified the world with a dismissive attitude of hand up pushing down, half semi rolled 🙄, head tilted, a small poor Harry pout talking about him, I knew then that she doesn't care for Harry, she's only there for the money, job, her career, and an exclusive, whatever the exclusive is, good bad ugly, this one being nasty=ugly.
I would hope, the last thing one gives up on, actually try to never give up on, that when Oprah's father passed away, Gayle travelled a weekend to Oprah, cooked for Oprah and the people coming in and out to say their last goodbye to him, ''looks back'' to understand what she did to Her Majesty's family.
Quote from: wannable on July 31, 2022, 06:03:33 PM
It probably doesn't sell like hours after PP funeral, he told Gayle King that the conversation with Charles and William ''were not productive''. The couple wreck so much havoc, it's hard to keep up or remember, then google is my friend. The next day all front page news had Harry (and Gayle King simulating on the phone with Harry) with the ''NOT PRODUCTIVE'' in Super font 18 and bold letters rather than the solemn Queen saying goodbye to her lifetime partner.
IMO everytime people abuse the elderly, the more I dislike them. He has become so dissociative he thinks that trashing Charles, William doesn't affect the Queen, Camilla, Kate. He really needs all sorts of help from people that really care for him, rather than the paid people who don't and encourage him to be worse by the minute, hour, day, week, month.
That is a great comment, and I get Harry as I had a family member just like him who even went so far as to record conversations taken place in private and them put them out on social media to hurt the family all because she did not get her own way with money or cars or whatever it was at the time. Most did nothing, yet I turned my back and never spoke to her again and never let her in my home as all TRUST was broken. I can't speak for anyone but me, yet I sure hope the royal family is darn careful in speaking to Harry or Meghan for they are traitors to their *family*. What Harry and Meghan did was treacherous and mean and hateful and anyone who thinks that is OKAY is just the same type of person that Harry and Meghan are.....the world is filled with evil and Harry and Meghan are evil to the soul in what they did.
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Yes 3%
NO 96%
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle should not meet with Royal Family on UK trip ? YOU VOTED | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1657610/prince-harry-meghan-markle-uk-trip-meet-queen-royal-family-poll-result-spt)
Yes 8%
NO 90%
Quote from: Nightowl on August 01, 2022, 10:29:03 PM
That is a great comment, and I get Harry as I had a family member just like him who even went so far as to record conversations taken place in private and them put them out on social media to hurt the family all because she did not get her own way with money or cars or whatever it was at the time. Most did nothing, yet I turned my back and never spoke to her again and never let her in my home as all TRUST was broken. I can't speak for anyone but me, yet I sure hope the royal family is darn careful in speaking to Harry or Meghan for they are traitors to their *family*. What Harry and Meghan did was treacherous and mean and hateful and anyone who thinks that is OKAY is just the same type of person that Harry and Meghan are.....the world is filled with evil and Harry and Meghan are evil to the soul in what they did.
I did read that the RF make sure none of them are alone with Harry. This entire situation seems to get worse, and one part of it reminds me so much of books I've read about King Edward VIII after he left and became the Duke of Windsor; he hadn't thought out what abdicating would really mean. He, too, thought he could retain certain aspects of his royal life and didn't realize that he just couldn't return and pick up threads of his former life. HM, the POW and the DOC knew from history that he could not be half in and half out.
Rumors are the Sussexes requested in their upcoming trip a visit to the Queen, denied and allegedly never ever again.
Apparently that bridge is burnt. As I?ve said the couple treat each person individually not thinking everyone has a family, hurt a member you?re hurting the circle/unit/union.
In their conning Oprah show mistake, they rushed to say PP and the Queen are safe from their lies.
Time will tell, but I can see this rumor to pan out.
The only person who is reliable to them is Eugenie.
I doubt very much that the Sussexes would have time to visit the Queen on the three days that they are away visiting their charities. The Queen is likely to be at Balmoral throughout most of it anyway. With her mobility issues the new PM may well go to Scotland to kiss hands.
My guess is that these rumours began now so that whoever started them and is spreading these stories can clap their hands and crow ?See, we were right!? when the Sussexes and Queen don?t meet. There have almost certainly been no plans for Meghan and Harry to rush to London or to Scotland to meet any relatives on this very short trip. There?s no need to.
It's a game. Sunshine Sach (Couple US media go to) says the Sussexes do not want to see the Cambridges.
Next day (BRF UK media go to) The Queen was requested a meeting by the Sussexes, denied with the added that any informal or formal meeting the couple want is to be with William. (I could imagine the explosion and plates flying in Montecito)
Oh the drama.
Oh, the evasions, rumours and absolute lies peddled by the British media. They may believe they know everything that goes on between the Queen and her relatives. In fact they know next to nothing. Ever.
Someone has to post it, for discussion purpose and as I said yesterday in another thread, see if it comes to be true or not.
This rumor and the whsipers are very strong about Harry will never ever see the Queen again. (In person, alone or accompanied). Allegedly his only option is William, who allegedly is willing to meet with his brother as many times Harry wants.
I never expected Harry and Meghan to see the Queen on this trip, nor did any serious royal watchers that I know. The time constraints alone wouldn?t permit it.
And most families, whether royal or not, do not operate on rumours and whispers, however often media spread them. I?d like to see the links to this story, thanks. And I don?t mean British tabloids, Bowyer or Levin, lol! Twitter, was it? :hehe:
Who knows, I have a feeling it's true. Time will tell. Too much shenanigans to put it mildly of the big hurts he (and Meghan!) have caused, that supposedly the Queen doesn't want to see them again. The couple damaged her legacy using the Racism word and spread it like poison to the commonwealth. Many politicians are whispering this, the rumor is coming from politician groups from ALL parties, allegedly a handful of mostly independent or labour type in comparison in a large room filled with them politicians are with the stance that no matter if it's right or wrong, black is to be defended at all costs. They don't care the loss of the benefits of student visas, sponsorships, bursaries, etc etc etc. that is prescribed with the commonwealth. THe majority of the politicians are with the Queen, but supposedly know what is going on with the 'handful' of noise makers. :therethere:
The couple have a home in the same estate as the Queen, 15 minute walk, to the Cambridges 10 minute walk. The Queen won't change her diary and has denied their request (allegedly they asked), for now, if she's feeling well, she will travel to BP to receive the new PM, if not, there are several options mapped out; new PM travels to Balmoral or Charles in behalf of HM.
ETA: The politicians whispering are from the black nations rather than UK parliamentary politicians, just to make it clear where it comes from. The level headed ones are thinking about the 'exchange of benefits' in all sectors with the UK government, the handful aren't thinking about it, they are in let's damage and destroy it completely. It's a very serious situation that the Queen is allegedly very very hurt. She's been working for this and all things for 70 years to have a couple of evil people make a hell of a havoc.
Actually Frogmore Cottage is six minutes from the Castle not fifteen. However, that is irrelevant as my guess is that the Queen will remain at Balmoral unless she absolutely has to go to BP, very unlikely in my view. It?s important that the incoming PM kisses hands symbolically with the monarch not the Prince of Wales, though, as there has never been a 96 year old sovereign before, arrangements might be made for Charles to do the honours it would be most unusual by custom.
I asked for viable sources for the rumoured stories on Harry being forbidden access to the Queen that you brought here to this forum. Apart from your ?feeling? that it?s true, which is natural of course, as you are a notable anti-Sussexite you don?t appear to have anything to show, to verify them. So we can all take it as read I guess that it is indeed a Twitter rumour. And you keep saying it is being ?alleged?. Again I ask, alleged by whom? Names please, and viable sources for that.
Well, if there are black politicians whispering this it?s a wonder no British broadsheet has got hold of it, just Twitter apparently. And if there are many politicians from all parties then you should be able to name names here and also the newspapers in these Commonwealth nations that are spreading racism rumours. NZ has coloured politicians (Māori) Nothing there. .
Tom Bower has appeared in many shows, very consistent and will soon be heading to a fully booked schedule of appearances in the USA, he has much more info that he can't publish YET until the sources decide to sign/seal/and let their names be officially recorded. Many have now decided a YES go ahead, and chapters in plural will be added to his book (the paperback version) In reference to the Queen, he threw in the what he knows and the palace were informed. For a institution of this magnitude, TB must have showed them evidence. A few politicians stating the above is enough to sound the alarm bells in any quarters.
I am a Commonwealth citizen and I keep my ears very close to the ground with regard to Commonwealth affairs. There are absolutely no rumours of Commonwealth newspapers printing any reports of anything like you are suggesting.
If there are rumours of racist members of the royal family then I would suggest that it is far more likely to have occurred as a result of incidents such as we saw on the recent royal tours of the Caribbean. These resentments about the Crown and British colonial rule have been festering for decades and far outdate anything Meghan and Harry said on Oprah. If Tom Bower intends to go that route, and bring in Commonwealth revolts started presumably by Meghan and Harry, (lol, absolutely ridiculous, what sort of power is he suggesting this couple have?!!! (Lol again) then Commonwealth Heads will soon disabuse him of those fantasies.
IF the Queen doesn't see them ever again, any motive true or false, it won't matter. She's the Queen who rejected seeing Harry and his family again.
IF Tom Bower publishes new chapters, he will get away with it for all the reasons I've posted to date in reference to him. He covers all angles and aspects tight lid, no one can sue him.
The tip of the iceberg was the Racism claim. Many politicians in Jamaica are against the small noise makers that did what they did, supposedly some of these noise makers are regretting what they did, keeping low as their rating numbers have plummeted.
Time is always right, got to wait.
Oh, so it?s now come down to ?a few Jamaican politicians?who are keeping their heads down.?
Bit different to what you were suggesting a little while ago on your previous post, until I challenged you. You were inferring a full scale revolt throughout the Commonwealth against the Queen, begun by black politicians, and begun by the Sussexes..
What you stated in a previous post. Through the Commonwealth, hm! ?Many politicians?, hmm From all parties, eh. And all started by Meghan and Harry! What power, lol.
?Many politicians are whispering this, the rumor is coming from politician groups from ALL parties, allegedly a handful of mostly independent or labour type in comparison in a large room filled with them politicians are with the stance that no matter if it's right or wrong, black is to be defended at all costs. They don't care the loss of the benefits of student visas,?
I think you should stop reading rumours on Twitter and getting all excited by them. That?s my suggestion. And Tom Bowyer knows nothing about the private relationship between the Queen and her grandson.
You're not interested in Tom Bower (you stated it here in the RIF), if I comment all rather than the general interest of the Sussexes related to Royalty. BUT since you asked, I replied where, whom and what. TB allegedly knows it all, knows a lot of things (more) about H&M and will disclose in paperback version.
IF one is really interested in reading ''all'' sides, post away. If one prefers to cherrypick, each to its own.
Yes I got my answer, rumours on Twitter about what Tom Bower apparently has coming up in his book, (hints not facts about the paperback) , and some muddled account about black politicians!
Well, we?d better wait and see what Bower says about Harry and Meghan going around the Commonwealth (when, btw?) rabblerousing with all those black politicians who are determined to destroy the Queen and Commonwealth, lol.
Tom has done the rounds in ALL guest invited TV, Radio and Podcast and this discussion would very likely be wait and see if it's true. Rather than reactionary to the rumors which needs to be written first with his footnotes.
That citizens want to share his conversations in short sentences in social media, they have that right.
Quote from: wannable on August 20, 2022, 05:11:27 PM
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I wonder how the sales are doing? 2024?
Quote from: wannable on August 21, 2022, 01:15:47 PM
Rumors are the Sussexes requested in their upcoming trip a visit to the Queen, denied and allegedly never ever again.
Apparently that bridge is burnt. As I?ve said the couple treat each person individually not thinking everyone has a family, hurt a member you?re hurting the circle/unit/union.
In their conning Oprah show mistake, they rushed to say PP and the Queen are safe from their lies.
Time will tell, but I can see this rumor to pan out.
The only person who is reliable to them is Eugenie.
I am not surprised at these rumors. Though who knows how true they are, H and M do seem to have burned bridges in the UK where the British public is concerned. The couriers and family may be trying to keep her from stressful situations as much as possible. How many people in their late 90's and not in the best of health take part in complicated family dynamics?
An article about Meghan found in The Cut.
Cut Cover: Meghan Markle on Her New Life in California (https://web.archive.org/web/20220829112201/https://www.thecut.com/article/meghan-markle-profile-interview.html)
QuoteThe conditions are right for confession. It is a beautiful August day in Montecito, in a beautiful sitting room, in a beautiful home. Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor, a lively 3-year-old with a shock of ginger curls identical to his father?s, toddles into the room demanding ?Momma? listen to his heartbeat with a wooden toy stethoscope. He stands, tummy protruding, while his mother, Meghan, convincingly performs her glee at hearing the thump-thump, thump-thump in his chest. Archie giggles and, satisfied, toddles right back out again.
Meghan, relaxing in a cozy chair, gazes over all that is climate-controlled and high-ceilinged and sun-dappled and perfectly marshmallowy, and hers. An invisible hand has lit a Soho House?branded rose-water candle (the founder, Nick Jones, is a friend from ?long before I met Harry,? she says), and that scent fills the air, mingling with the gentle tones of a flamenco-inflected guitar floating from a speaker. Then, in the lull in conversation, Meghan turns to me and leans forward to ask in a conspiratorial hush, ?Do you want to know a secret??
Meghan, silenced no more, looks around, making sure nobody (who would be?) is listening in. Then the top-secret drop: ?I?m getting back ? on Instagram,? she says, her eyes alight and devilish.
Oof over the top cringe.
I have no words for this interview. Absolute fantasy world.
Questions that I have from reading the interview which honestly seems like a rehash of the Oprah interview.
1. Who are the several royals who have the "half-in and half-out" arrangement? As far as I know there are no senior members of the BRF from the Queen down to Princess Alexandra who have this arrangement.
2. The allegation that there would be 40 press members at her children's school drop off/pick up doesn't ring true to me as the UK has very strict rules about photographing and publishing the photos of children without consent from parents/guardians.
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Meghan Markle Never Met Tyler Perry Before Moving into His LA Home (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-never-met-tyler-perry-before-staying-los-angeles-home-the-cut-interview/)
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/meghan-markle-reveals-sweet-habit-27858255
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19645840/prince-harry-swipe-royal-family-meghan/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19646890/piers-morgan-slams-meghan-markle-shameless/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19647018/meghan-markle-teases-new-netflix-docuseries/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19645923/meghan-markle-cryptic-dig-royal-family/
How come the site does look the same for me? What have I done?
Interview, The Cut?.whoa. Lol.
I just read excerpts from Meghan's interview on The Cut. I am just....speechless. Don't even want to think about it.
I just read Meghan's interview.....Huh! What?
It just dawned on me, I never thought anything could outdo Prince Andrew's interview, yet this one is exploding all over the place....and I think there is no way back for anyone in the royal family to trust them again...
From the insane stare to the manic article, the journalist sounds bemused and mocking word for word. Meghan is threatening directly. It?s going to get worse because she didn?t get her way and ghosted.
The royals shouldn?t intervene. Regrettably the Sussexes have hanged themselves.
'Overcoming 60 years of apartheid is not the same as marrying a white prince': Nelson Mandela's grandson slams Meghan Markle for suggesting South Africans celebrated her wedding the same way they rejoiced his freedom
EXCLUSIVE Nelson Mandela's grandson slams Meghan Markle
EXCLUSIVE: Zwelivelile 'Mandla' Mandela has said he was 'surprised' at her remarks in The Cut magazine when she claimed that three years ago a cast member of the Lion King had made the unlikely comparison between her royal wedding and Madiba's historic walk to freedom. In a 6,409-word article called 'Meghan of Montecito', the former Suits star recalled an encounter she had at the 2019 London premiere of a live-action version of The Lion King. She said a cast member from South Africa pulled her aside and told her: 'I just need you to know: When you married into this family, we rejoiced in the streets the same we did when Mandela was freed from prison'. But MailOnline has learned that the story has astonished the Mandela family. Zwelivelile Mandela, an MP and Chief of the late South African President's Mvezo tribe, said he was 'surprised' at her remarks. He told MailOnline: 'Madiba's celebration was based on overcoming 350 years of colonialism with 60 years of a brutal apartheid regime in South Africa. So It cannot be equated to as the same.' His grandfather served 27 years in prison before being released and re-uniting opponents and going on to lead his country. Zwelivelile said when the people of South Africa expressed their joy at his grandfather's release and danced in the streets, it was for a far more important and serious reason than her marriage 'to a white prince'. Meghan Markle's claim that her marriage to Prince Harry led to scenes of joy in South Africa not seen since the release of Nelson Mandela has sparked rage and ridicule with critics telling her to 'get lost' and accusing her of showing 'utmost disrespect'. After her claim the hashtag #VoetsekMeghan began trending in South Africa. Voetsek is an Afrikaans word meaning 'go away' or 'get lost' and is a common slur used by millions in the country.
Quote from: wannable on August 30, 2022, 11:49:09 AM
From the insane stare to the manic article, the journalist sounds bemused and mocking word for word. Meghan is threatening directly. It?s going to get worse because she didn?t get her way and ghosted.
The royals shouldn?t intervene. Regrettably the Sussexes have hanged themselves.
Her words are so angry, I can't help thinking life must be difficult for Harry. The picture they paint of married bliss seems incongruous to the side of her we are seeing, and I sincerely hope that side isn't present in their private life.
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Talk about putting your foot in your mouth .......another *Lie* by Meghan. Not good at all..
Quote from: Nightowl on August 30, 2022, 02:37:02 PM
Talk about putting your foot in your mouth .......another *Lie* by Meghan. Not good at all..
You?re right about that
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 30, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
Her words are so angry, I can't help thinking life must be difficult for Harry. The picture they paint of married bliss seems incongruous to the side of her we are seeing, and I sincerely hope that side isn't present in their private life.
They are both in it, the author of the cut was allowed by the pair to put their interjections in parentheses, from her groaning and moaning noises to him rolling his eyes when both were referring to his family members in whole/without pointing a finger to a particular person.
The trashing is still on, but happily more and more people worldwide are seeing the character and personalities of the pair.
Who is advising the Duke and Duchess of Sussex? More importantly are the couple heading the advice of their team as it seems to me that their is increasing criticism of the couple and their statements.
Who are Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's team members at Archewell? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11160785/Who-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markles-team-members-Archewell.html)
Quote from: wannable on August 30, 2022, 04:47:04 PM
They are both in it, the author of the cut was allowed by the pair to put their interjections in parentheses, from her groaning and moaning noises to him rolling his eyes when both were referring to his family members in whole/without pointing a finger to a particular person.
The trashing is still on, but happily more and more people worldwide are seeing the character and personalities of the pair.
I?m agreed with you and definitely trash talk on royal family unbelievable but humiliated on HM Queen Elizabeth II,Prince Charles and Duke of Cambridge what my post says on #85 but Buckingham Palace, Clarence House and Kensington Palace wouldn?t comment about that its third time on bombshell interview not since Oprah and NBC
Quote from: TLLK on August 30, 2022, 05:06:14 PM
Who is advising the Duke and Duchess of Sussex? More importantly are the couple heading the advice of their team as it seems to me that their is increasing criticism of the couple and their statements.
Who are Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's team members at Archewell? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11160785/Who-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markles-team-members-Archewell.html)
Those 8 advisors are stuck and probably have already ruined their resume with them. Resign and there's no vacant position to date with inflation, unemployment, etc.
In all honesty, I don't need to read the article about the 8, because she never fired her 'main' people in the first place. She retained them before/during/after BRF.
Quote from: wannable on August 30, 2022, 05:52:05 PM
Those 8 advisors are stuck and probably have already ruined their resume with them. Resign and there's no vacant position to date with inflation, unemployment, etc.
In all honesty, I don't need to read the article about the 8, because she never fired her 'main' people in the first place. She retained them before/during/after BRF.
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That statement says it all about Meghan, I think once she got Harry hooked and played him for that gold Welsh ring, she knew just what she was doing and was going to do in the future. This was all planned out by Meghan to get as much as she could from the royal family regardless of who was in her way. Meghan is the vilest person I have ever seen on any site about anyone....People need to keep in mind that she is an ACTRESS and can and does pull up those skills when needed and can fool anyone even Harry. She got his number and played him as soon as she met him I believe and he will suffer greatly sooner than later because of her lies and manipulation.
NO doubt in my mind that this was and is her way of doing things since she *never* fired Sunshine whatever....bet Harry did not know they were on her payroll from the first date on......he is a damn fool!
Meghan Markle reveals she was writing a daily journal - 'raising fears of MORE bombshells' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11162533/Meghan-Markle-reveals-writing-daily-journal-raising-fears-bombshells.html)
SARAH VINE: Meghan's latest interview is an Exocet missile aimed at the heart of the monarchy | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11162103/SARAH-VINE-Meghans-latest-interview-Exocet-missile-aimed-heart-monarchy.html)
Meghan Markle's Biggest Revelations in 'Archetypes' Podcast (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-biggest-revelations-in-archetypes-podcast/)
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-08-30/meghan-markle-treated-as-a-black-woman-for-first-time-when-dating-harry
Meghan Markle likely to be writing bombshell memoir on royal life, says source - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-likely-writing-bombshell-27871989)
Royal Family braced for explosive Meghan Markle memoir which could lift lid on some of their biggest secrets | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19659729/meghan-markle-memoir-royal-family/)
It's time to axe Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's titles and cast them adrift | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19660323/meghan-harry-axe-sussexes-titles/)
Up to HM Queen Elizabeth II decisions
Meghan Markle's estrangement from the Royal Family is worryingly like Princess Diana's 25 years ago | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategorized/19658168/meghan-markle-royal-family-diana/)
I would never be surprised at anything Meghan does, even writing a book about the royal family that she knows nothing about. This is just another way for her and Harry to blame the royal family for what happened to them, nothing is ever their fault. And to think of all the millions that she would get from a book, surely they must be dancing with glee by now. I think she and Harry are hell bent on destroying the monarchy for whatever reason.
Nelson Mandela's grandson tells Meghan Markle to 'pull up her sleeves' and improve lives | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11164305/Nelson-Mandelas-grandson-tells-Meghan-Markle-pull-sleeves-improve-lives.html)
Mystery over Meghan Markle's Nelson Mandela claims as actor insists he has NEVER met the Duchess | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11164935/Mystery-Meghan-Markles-Nelson-Mandela-claims-actor-insists-NEVER-met-Duchess.html)
Prince Harry's son Archie honours Princess Diana in the sweetest way | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220831149720/prince-harry-son-archie-honours-princess-diana-sweetest-way/)
Meghan Markle 'waves hand' at magazine interview probe 'Time to move on' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1662767/meghan-markle-the-cut-interview-megxit-oprah-winfrey-royal-family-prince-harry)
Meghan Markle's warned 'farcical' claims 'further and further damaging' brand | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1662723/meghan-markle-archetypes-podcast-the-cut-interview-claims-warning-vn)
Meghan Markle embarrassed as Mariah Carey calls out Duchess 'You give us diva moments!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1662827/meghan-markle-duchess-of-sussex-diva-mariah-carey-podcast-royal-latest-vn)
Meghan Markle accused of peddling 'narcissistic drivel' with attacks on Firm | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1662714/meghan-markle-prince-harry-the-cut-interview-royal-family-latest)
^^ She lost her credibility in a court of law, hence was given the ''win'' of GBP 1 pound. Whatever more than a 'court of law'!!!
^ Tom Bower confirmed what discussion in the comment section I had a couple of weeks ago in reference to commonwealth black countries, black politicians in it's huge majority that know that the handful of I will defend her no matter what (even knowing she's fully wrong, whilst the media worldwide have changed their tune in ref to her calling her a narcissist, deranged and other mental health serious problems), the brouhaha the few make to make everyone uncomfortable, thinking of their own individual wellbeing rather than a majority.
Here's a factual evidence of TB's tour of media outlets discussing exactly that of MM. From the above link posted by sara8150.
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'Every day there are people who want to be Nelson Mandela': Madiba's grandson says Meghan Markle should 'pull up her sleeves' and improve lives of ordinary people in UK in new statement after her comparisons with anti-apartheid hero
Madiba is the Chief of the clan and an MP! He is telling his fellow black politicians from the black national party exactly what he thinks, especially when noting in his ''new' statement that she needs to (pull up her sleeves) do real work for the UNITED KINGDOM :laugh: :yesss: a quiter and professional victim, 72 days of work.
*****
The only thing as a human I am worried* about IS that since both Meghan and Harry are already ghosted by the ones that matter (Queen, POW, Cambridges in that order), in other words the ''money and power'' leaders and givers, no one else, their thirst for revenge/sour grapes is going to get worse,
when and how will it end for them (*worried, nobody wants tragic Greek endings). It's their running mouth that will ruin and destroy them and only them. Today a poll in America says that their popularity is sinking, shortening in a rapid rate. They already are in that country within the 25 most Disliked people.
Quote from: wannable on August 31, 2022, 03:54:12 PM
^^ She lost her credibility in a court of law, hence was given the ''win'' of GBP 1 pound. Whatever more than a 'court of law'!!!
^ Tom Bower confirmed what discussion in the comment section I had a couple of weeks ago in reference to commonwealth black countries, black politicians in it's huge majority that know that the handful of I will defend her no matter what (even knowing she's fully wrong, whilst the media worldwide have changed their tune in ref to her calling her a narcissist, deranged and other mental health serious problems), the brouhaha the few make to make everyone uncomfortable, thinking of their own individual wellbeing rather than a majority.
Here's a factual evidence of TB's tour of media outlets discussing exactly that of MM. From the above link posted by sara8150.
Madiba is the Chief of the clan and an MP! He is telling his fellow black politicians from the black national party exactly what he thinks, especially when noting in his ''new' statement that she needs to (pull up her sleeves) do real work for the UNITED KINGDOM :laugh: :yesss: a quiter and professional victim, 72 days of work.
*****
The only thing as a human I am worried* about IS that since both Meghan and Harry are already ghosted by the ones that matter (Queen, POW, Cambridges in that order), in other words the ''money and power'' leaders and givers, no one else, their thirst for revenge/sour grapes is going to get worse, when and how will it end for them (*worried, nobody wants tragic Greek endings). It's their running mouth that will ruin and destroy them and only them. Today a poll in America says that their popularity is sinking, shortening in a rapid rate. They already are in that country within the 25 most Disliked people.
You?re right about that its order from HM Queen Elizabeth II,POW and Cambridges also
EXCLUSIVE: Mystery over Meghan Markle's Nelson Mandela claims as actor who says he is the ONLY South African in Lion King live action film insists he has NEVER met Duchess after she said cast member compared her wedding to Madiba's release
EXCLUSIVE: Dr John Kani, who voiced Rafiki, claims he was only South African and has not met Duchess
'I have never met Meghan Markle. This seems like something of a faux pas by her. I am the only South African member of the cast and I did not attend the premiere in London'
An acclaimed actor and friend of Nelson Mandela he is 'baffled' by the Duchess of Sussex's suggestion that his country had 'rejoiced' when she married Prince Harry - and revealed he has never met her despite claiming to be the only South African member of the cast in Disney?s recent remake of The Lion King.
Dr John Kani believes the Duchess of Sussex has made 'a faux pas' after she used a US magazine interview to imply her 2018 royal wedding sparked celebrations in South Africa reminiscent of the release of his friend Madiba, the legendary anti-apartheid leader.
The only other South African who was involved was Lebo M, a composer who together with Hans Zimmer was responsible for the music for The Lion King. But Lebo M was not in the cast.
The actor insisted that Harry and Meghan's nuptials were 'no big deal' in his country, adding: 'I cannot even tell you now what month she married or what year'.
Dr Kani said he did not believe that the people of South Africa celebrated Meghan's marriage to Prince Harry on the scale that greeted the release of anti-apartheid campaigner Nelson Mandela as claimed by her.
He said: 'In my memory, nobody would have known when she got married, when or what. We had no South African link to the wedding or to her marrying Harry.'
He said: 'I am truly surprised by this. For me it is a non-event, the whole thing'.
Quote from: wannable on August 31, 2022, 04:43:44 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Mystery over Meghan Markle's Nelson Mandela claims as actor who says he is the ONLY South African in Lion King live action film insists he has NEVER met Duchess after she said cast member compared her wedding to Madiba's release
EXCLUSIVE: Dr John Kani, who voiced Rafiki, claims he was only South African and has not met Duchess
'I have never met Meghan Markle. This seems like something of a faux pas by her. I am the only South African member of the cast and I did not attend the premiere in London'
Another example of how she is losing her credibility. I, too, worry over how it will all end.
The black actor is a friend of the late Nelson Mandela, he authorized his interview to the Daily Mail, including a zoom video updated/recent picture of him!!!
Gosh, it's like watching a train with no brakes.
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Yes this is definitely a faux pas. :( She must have been confused.
^ I'm more of a person that ''even if she was told that her wedding was celebrated in SA like Nelson Mandela's freedom walk'', I WOULDN'T repeat it to anyone or have it in record.
I mean to say simply that when someone gives you a flattering remark, intended to you and only you (as Markle describes that a SA actor got close to her to tell her/whisper the fake flattering remark), repeating it to anyone else or publicly is pretty much vain, conceited, self absorbed.
And then if it's not true, lordy.
TOM LEONARD: Is America falling out of love with the 'Petulant Princess' of Montecito? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11166459/TOM-LEONARD-America-falling-love-Petulant-Princess-Montecito.html)
A very good article.
Quote from: TLLK on August 31, 2022, 07:47:44 PM
Yes this is definitely a faux pas. :( She must have been confused.
How can she be confused? Meghan even *lied* about being married 3 days before the wedding by the archbishop who later came out and denied it and she brought him into this mess as she is bring the Mandela family into this mess. The *Lies* keep growing and growing by leaps and bounds and this is making her one of the most untrustworthy woman in the world, who can believe anything she says. It is not just actions or behavior that as has consequences, it is our very *words* that bear and show our responsibility to the type of person we are.
@Nightowl -I believe she might have been confused by who she spoke to that evening at the Lion King Premiere.
Quote from: TLLK on September 01, 2022, 01:26:40 AM
@Nightowl -I believe she might have been confused by who she spoke to that evening at the Lion King Premiere.
Yes, I think so too. There was a South African composer of the film?s music that was at the premiere and Meghan may have spoken to him, but I think it was another member of the cast and Meghan has just misremembered.
Quote from: TLLK on September 01, 2022, 01:26:40 AM
@Nightowl -I believe she might have been confused by who she spoke to that evening at the Lion King Premiere.
Thank you yet I am now confused. It seems that the only person whom she said she spoke to was not there at the time. Any reference to Mr. Mandela who spent decades in prison for helping his country can not be compared to a wedding regardless of whose wedding it is as that man should be celebrated all his life while a wedding of Harry and Meghan who have barely any connection to Africa at all can not be celebrated that way. I just shake my head and never assume anything that Meghan says is the *truth* as everything can be and and is *fact checked* I am sorry if this upsets anyone...yet it is just my truthful opinion. I hope someone can and does talk to her to think before she speaks to the media/public again.
Quote from: Curryong on September 01, 2022, 02:23:05 AM
Yes, I think so too. There was a South African composer of the film?s music that was at the premiere and Meghan may have spoken to him, but I think it was another member of the cast and Meghan has just misremembered.
She does that a lot, doesn?t she?
Don Lemon says he is 'shocked' by Meghan Markle's race admission | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11168213/Don-Lemon-says-shocked-Meghan-Markles-race-admission.html)
South African composer 'does not remember' discussing Mandela with Meghan Markle | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11169701/South-African-composer-does-not-remember-discussing-Mandela-Meghan-Markle.html)
GMB reporter says there has 'definitely been a change in tone' in US coverage of Meghan Markle | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11168699/GMB-reporter-says-definitely-change-tone-coverage-Meghan-Markle.html)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry eye new 'eye-watering mega deals' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663375/meghan-markle-prince-harry-duchess-duke-sussexes-dog-mamma-mia-vn)
Meghan Markle's South African security describes Archie room fire 'She bolted into house' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663266/meghan-markle-fire-archie-nursery-fire-south-africa)
Meghan Markle validated as unearthed video captures South Africa pride at Duchess' wedding | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663307/Meghan-Markle-wedding-Prince-Harry-South-Africa-Nelson-Mandela-vn)
Meghan Markle lays bare never-before-heard extract from 2018 wedding to Harry | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1662906/meghan-markle-the-cut-interview-wedding-prince-harry-latest-spt)
Meghan Markle vindicated? Mystery deepens over Mandela remark with unearthed clip | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663160/meghan-markle-news-duchess-of-sussex-nelson-mandela-remark-lion-king-premiere)
Meghan Markle 'really wants to set her record straight' after major interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663096/meghan-markle-news-duchess-of-sussex-interview-the-cut-vn)
Meghan Markle hammer blow as US 'beginning to tire' of Duchess | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663186/meghan-markle-news-us-opinion-the-cut-interview-prince-harry-royal-news)
Meghan interview labelled 'dreadful' by royal expert 'What world does she inhabit?' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663170/meghan-markle-the-cut-interview-nelson-mandela-lion-king-prince-harry-royal-family)
15 times Meghan Markle?s ?truth? was called out from Mandela mystery to N-word row and Kate Middleton making her cry | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/16703195/meghan-markle-truth-mandela-prince-harry-wedding/)
More insult to Royal family included HM Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles and Cambridges
The composer also denied her.
Running out of SAfricans
Quote from: Nightowl on September 01, 2022, 03:51:48 AM
Thank you yet I am now confused. It seems that the only person whom she said she spoke to was not there at the time. Any reference to Mr. Mandela who spent decades in prison for helping his country can not be compared to a wedding regardless of whose wedding it is as that man should be celebrated all his life while a wedding of Harry and Meghan who have barely any connection to Africa at all can not be celebrated that way. I just shake my head and never assume anything that Meghan says is the *truth* as everything can be and and is *fact checked* I am sorry if this upsets anyone...yet it is just my truthful opinion. I hope someone can and does talk to her to think before she speaks to the media/public again.
So apparently there was a South African composer present at the London Premiere, but he said that he only spoke to the couple for about a minute and he doesn't recall discussing Nelson Mandela with either Meghan or Harry.
To be honest, I'm not really concerned about who she may have spoken to at the Lion King Premiere as there were many people present that evening.
The "misspeaks" that concern me the most are those that are the ones that can be verified as being exaggerated or simply false. For example her recent claim in The Cut interview that she would have had to face 40 or so members of the press for school drop off/pick up. I truly do not understand why she has continued to make these types of claims when they're so easily proven to be exaggerated or false. This isn't the first time she's done this and I'm stunned that it still occurs as it chips away at her credibility.
The *lie* that shocked me was when she said she and Harry were married 3 days before that very expensive wedding and then the Archbishop had to come out and deny it and he told the truth. What the hell and why would she even say something like that is beyond me. Thousands of people turned out for that what *fake wedding* because she was married on another day, that just was so far out there and still is for me.
Now I never am astonished or believe anything she says as Meghan will now in my opinion tell whatever lie suits her purpose. I still believe all this so called fairy tale in Ca is a big lie for both of them most be under so much pressure and stress to keep the lies going and what they did while Philip lay dying to HM and the family is just *unforgivable* to me.....this is not going to end well for either of them and it is their own doing. And Harry knows better as he grew up in the family and knows them more than she ever will.
Quote from: TLLK on September 01, 2022, 11:31:00 PM
So apparently there was a South African composer present at the London Premiere, but he said that he only spoke to the couple for about a minute and he doesn't recall discussing Nelson Mandela with either Meghan or Harry.
To be honest, I'm not really concerned about who she may have spoken to at the Lion King Premiere as there were many people present that evening.
The "misspeaks" that concern me the most are those that are the ones that can be verified as being exaggerated or simply false. For example her recent claim in The Cut interview that she would have had to face 40 or so members of the press for school drop off/pick up. I truly do not understand why she has continued to make these types of claims when they're so easily proven to be exaggerated or false. This isn't the first time she's done this and I'm stunned that it still occurs as it chips away at her credibility.
Well put. The ones that bother me the most are those that shed a negative light on Harry's family and the Crown. So hurtful to HM, Prince Charles, and Prince William, and there are followers who believe them. The RF do so much good and they work very hard - yet she scorns them. So frustrating and sad.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 02, 2022, 01:01:58 AM
The *lie* that shocked me was when she said she and Harry were married 3 days before that very expensive wedding and then the Archbishop had to come out and deny it and he told the truth. What the hell and why would she even say something like that is beyond me. Thousands of people turned out for that what *fake wedding* because she was married on another day, that just was so far out there and still is for me.
Now I never am astonished or believe anything she says as Meghan will now in my opinion tell whatever lie suits her purpose. I still believe all this so called fairy tale in Ca is a big lie for both of them most be under so much pressure and stress to keep the lies going and what they did while Philip lay dying to HM and the family is just *unforgivable* to me.....this is not going to end well for either of them and it is their own doing. And Harry knows better as he grew up in the family and knows them more than she ever will.
Yes, that was an amazing one.
All the easy or hard lies are equally terrible and hurtful to Direct or third parties. The Mandela family represented by their clan chief and political MP came forward with 2 statements to basically protect NM legacy.
The 2 🦁 king South Africans came forward rather than journalist looking for them to deny her, recollections may vary. It?s thanks to Mandela Jr and the 2 🦁 that Markle recollections are exposed to the black world rather than just the white Queen.
I have read SM black female influencers, especially on SA, it?s brutal.
Meghan Markle validated as unearthed video captures South Africa pride at Duchess' wedding | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1663307/Meghan-Markle-wedding-Prince-Harry-South-Africa-Nelson-Mandela-vn)
And I keep saying it again and again, social media comments do not represent the entire population of any country in the world, and that includes SA. Far from it!
what is all this about Meghan grunting and moaning and asking a journalist to transcribe the sounds she was making. THat can't be true can it?
Old and he is also pist off. Another black educated and polite man denying her fantasies. He denied her to all the media
Lebo already came forward denying her.
The telegraph has Lebo official denials and transcript of video.
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 02, 2022, 12:54:31 PM
what is all this about Meghan grunting and moaning and asking a journalist to transcribe the sounds she was making. THat can't be true can it?
Perez Hilton is a friend of the author, allegedly MM wanted all the interjections to be placed in the article to give it more effect. Basically she openly (with the Cut interview) is seeking a fight with the BRF.
And Perez Hilton is SUCH a great friend of Meghan?s and with his gossip online such a viable source!
who is Perez Hilton and what has that to do with anyhing? I dont follow Meghan much these days but oen still catches bits and pieces on the internet. I asked a simple question, if this was true and what was the context?
Mandela family feud upsetting society and African tradition ? The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/mandela-family-feud-upsetting-society-and-african-tradition-1.1454234)
This grandson of Nelson Mandella?s has an interesting history, what with feuds with uncles, aunts and the family Trust coming into play and all!
Perez Hilton is an American blogger, gossip columnist and media personality.
The Cut
The author works for a Woke NY magazine. Perez Hilton claims (like other USA journalists some gossipy others serious , just wanted to signal Perez Hilton for the level of ludicrously and desperation of MM) that the author was requested to write everything Meghan 'ordered'. Amabel basically the USA media is mocking Markle, from Washington Post (very serious newspaper) to a Celeb gossip Perez Hilton. The gloves are off. From Fox (republican tendency) channel to CNN (democratic). These 2 are really gloves off, emulating Australian broadcasters with mental health words describing MM after this Cut interview.
Mandela Family
I fully understand Sussex fans doing their best to defend Markle versus white and now black people. Everyone has a skeleton in their closet so to speak. An old feud may have changed 10 years to date.
IF a Mandela member comes out ''to date'' opposing Zwelivelile "Mandla" Mandela, MP (born 21 June 1974) is the tribal chief of the Mvezo Traditional Council and the grandson of Nelson Mandela and their own clan rules for Succession to the chieftaincy then it will generate a new discussion. BUT for now, Tom Bower is bang on right about a handful scattered here and there in black countries making mischief of defending their own black 'no matter what' even if it is public and notorious the wrong being done. So, to date not one politician in SA has opposed Zweliveilie, nor in any Commonwealth black country TO DATE.
Quote from: Curryong on September 02, 2022, 01:47:55 PM
Perez Hilton is an American blogger, gossip columnist and media personality.
yes Im still none the wiser as to whether he or she interviewed Meghan and Meg was grunting and moaning and told him/her to put in the noises she was making..
It's a African American SHE who admire(d) Meghan, but now probably not.
do you mean she's a woman? Why not say so? Is it true that She stated that Meghan acted in this highly unusual way at their interview?
I thought everyone knew the author is a African American woman. I am sorry if some didn't know, I mean by clicking the article or mentions in other media outlets from radio, tv, articles worldwide, podcasts and youtube, everyone mentions the author.
Well it's clear at least to me when reading the article several things, some too strong to mention in this family friendly RIF site.
Since I asked about 3 times, I thought it was clear I did not know and I still dont really know the context for Meg's alleged groaning and moaning noises. I thought that perhaps Perez Hilton was a mis type for Paris Hilton. Sorry if Im not up to date with people in teh US.
it seems very weird for anyone to write something like that about Meghan, and it would be nice if someone could just let me know DID Perez H indeed say this about her, and IS Hilton a reliable journalist.
Allison P Davis
Work
Features Writer, The Cut at New York Magazine
Previously: Elle, Wired, CNN
Education
MA Journalism, University of California, Berkley
Bachellors English, Bernard
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Quote from: Amabel2 on September 02, 2022, 03:32:18 PM
Since I asked about 3 times, I thought it was clear I did not know and I still dont really know the context for Meg's alleged groaning and moaning noises. I thought that perhaps Perez Hilton was a mis type for Paris Hilton. Sorry if Im not up to date with people in teh US.
it seems very weird for anyone to write something like that about Meghan, and it would be nice if someone could just let me know DID Perez H indeed say this about her, and IS Hilton a reliable journalist.
Just in case I'm using caps to shout out names and basic stuff only, I can't put specific criticism in the RIF because some of it is really tough stuff. BUT one should clearly have a concept of what Allison Davis thinks about MM. I will report/requote TLLK link of the FULL ARTICLE so you can read it and make your own conclusions.
He PEREZ HILTON is stating that ALLISON DAVIS is MOCKING Meghan, and that Meghan is so UP HER OWN HEAD AND A** doesn't realize how narcissistic she is. She realizes LATER after receiving CRITICISM from OTHER JOURNALISTS and public at large. It's not NEW now, The Cut, MM's podcasts she sounds her true nacissistic self. I am using that harsh word now, because the media has made it PUBLIC. Sort of like an Amber Heard.
So AMABEL can catch up. And You are right catching up with soooo much posting from this one page 3 to page 6 easily to miss out.
I hope nobody posts nothing until you can read the link herein, which is the entire article.
Quote from: TLLK on August 29, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
An article about Meghan found in The Cut.
Cut Cover: Meghan Markle on Her New Life in California (https://web.archive.org/web/20220829112201/https://www.thecut.com/article/meghan-markle-profile-interview.html)
How IS Meghan Markle at the top of Spotify? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11169497/How-Meghan-Markle-Spotify.html)
Mariah Carey doubles down on calling Meghan Markle a 'diva' in podcast interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11173587/Mariah-Carey-doubles-calling-Meghan-Markle-diva-podcast-interview.html)
My personal opinion is that Allison as she starts her invite to visit Meghan and Harry has the very best of intentions to write a great favorable article, then as she progresses (the day progresses) she starts noticing attitudes of the main character (and whatever Harry intervened) and writes it up brilliantly.
Only and only because several alleged columnists and journalist friends of Allison stated that MM wanted all the interjections and that MM DID read before publishing the piece is baffling, although people with lets say 'mental health disorders' do not know or notice' weird, bad crazy, whacked and similar type behaviors they are suffering, only when cured/acknowledging what they are suffering is when they can see the light. This goes with ALL mental health disorders.. The detailed radio/tv/other media in the USA with very tough criticism IMO can't be posted here because the freedom of speech reaches to points about mental health disorders, that until diagnosed or basically in several claim books, then maybe.
The only thing about MH we can certainly state is that she was (maybe still is) suicidal, because it came out of her own mouth. The Cut Interview is different, USA media is 'analysing sentence by sentence and getting to their ''own' conclusion that she is a narcissist to other worse disorders.
Quote from: wannable on September 02, 2022, 03:47:55 PM
So AMABEL can catch up. And You are right catching up with soooo much posting from this one page 3 to page 6 easily to miss out.
I hope nobody posts nothing until you can read the link herein, which is the entire article.
do i have to read a whole article. I'll see if I can face but all i wanted to know was Did Meghan indeed act so oddly... and is the journalist who wrote the article reliable? It seems that Perez Hilton is nto the journalist who interviewed Meghan.
You don?t have to. But then no own conclusion either.
really seems very difficult to get a simple answer to a simple question. Ok,
I prefer to have discussions with people that read the article.
Ok i try to avoid stuff about Meghan these days, but the whole groaning and moaning thing sounded so bizarre that I wanted to know if it was likely to be true. However as I siad, seems to be impossible to get an answer so I wont discuss any more thanks
I'm just too lazy to narrate 6500 words and make a 'general' statement and go back and forth, repeat, with new stuff from the 6500 words of what Sussex said and did narrated by Allison, then Allison's POV of the previous sentence said by the Sussexes. Matter of fact is The Cut and Allison have been approached by many media outlets and they will only say that it is all recorded.
I am almost sure the Sussexes fans, preferred journos, including Lainey Gossip feel it as a blow. Lainey had privileged information one day before that Allison/Cut interview release. Lainey wrote wonders of Allison, love love love, etc. I know some have an alert button in her website to see if she will complain about the article, I doubt it very much because Allison is an African American (and a Democrat!)
Dr. Todd Grande a staunch Sussex defender changed his tune too. Youtuber
Dr. Grande said many people have asked him why the Royal Family haven't silenced the Sussexes. He said "as any good policeman will tell you, you NEVER interrupt a confession".
Todd L. Grande, Ph.D.
Licensed Mental Health Counselor
United States of America
Experience
Licensed Mental Health Counselor
Survivors of Abuse in Recovery (SOAR)
Mental Health Counselor
Survivors of Abuse in Recovery (SOAR)
Wilmington University
Associate Professor
Wilmington University
Jun 2013 - May 20207 years
Horizon House
Clinical Supervisor
Horizon House
May 2010 - Mar 20132 years 11 months
Education
Regent UniversityRegent University
Regent University
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.)Counselor Education and Supervision
2010 - 2013
Wilmington University
Wilmington University
MastersCommunity Counseling
2008 - 2010
Excelsior UniversityExcelsior University
Excelsior University
BSPsychology
2006
I want to add in Re to Dr. Todd Grande is he said in the past that until he doesn't have evidence to the contrary, he thought Meghan was silenced as she had stated at the Oprah interview. In the Cut she said she didn't sign a NDA with the royals and could and can speak whatever she wants, hence his police never interrupt a confession.
If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
― Mark Twain
She probably misremembered telling Oprah she was silenced, one year later she tells Allison she didn't sign an NDA with the Royals, hence she is ''free'' to speak whenever she wanted and wants. BOOM
Who the heck cares about Dr Todd Grande, (never heard of him) or any other mental health Counsellor who hasn?t met either of the Sussexes (or any other person they have never met) but rushes into print or broadcast with their views? No health professional worth their salt would pontificate in public about another person?s mental condition without having been consulted by them. And the fact he has done so makes it doubly as unethical and unprofessional.
Quote from: Curryong on September 04, 2022, 10:43:56 PM
Who the heck cares about Dr Todd Grande, (never heard of him) or any other mental health Counsellor who hasn?t met either of the Sussexes (or any other person they have never met) but rushes into print or broadcast with their views? No health professional worth their salt would pontificate in public about another person?s mental condition without having been consulted by them. And the fact he has done so makes it doubly as unethical and unprofessional.
Hence he gives the benefit of the doubt rather than making a med opinion. BUT the 'silent or silence' is of public knowledge, therefore his police quote which I love.
Quote from: wannable on September 04, 2022, 10:46:57 PM
Hence he gives the benefit of the doubt rather than making a med opinion. BUT the 'silent or silence' is of public knowledge, therefore his police quote which I love.
Well, of course you love it because it?s anti-Sussex. And if what?s his name went on a broadcast to cast aspersions on people he?s never met in spite of medical qualifications giving him a spurious reason to comment (albeit covering himself with caveats) then he should (as a medical professional) be doubly ashamed of himself.
DR MAX PEMBERTON: The real reason Meghan plays the victim | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11178991/DR-MAX-PEMBERTON-real-reason-Meghan-plays-victim.html)
Quote from: sara8150 on September 05, 2022, 02:07:35 AM
DR MAX PEMBERTON: The real reason Meghan plays the victim | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11178991/DR-MAX-PEMBERTON-real-reason-Meghan-plays-victim.html)
Ah yes, yet another British commentator writing (for money) in the Daily Fail about someone they?ve never met in their lives. And everything I said earlier today about what?s his name (US) applies to this bloke as well.
What I said earlier about Grande.
And if what?s his name went on a broadcast to cast aspersions on people he?s never met in spite of medical qualifications giving him a spurious reason to comment (albeit covering himself with caveats) then he should (as a medical professional) be doubly ashamed of himself.
Applies equally the same!
Nothing new, she a professional victim
Quote from: Curryong on September 04, 2022, 10:43:56 PM
Who the heck cares about Dr Todd Grande, (never heard of him) or any other mental health Counsellor who hasn?t met either of the Sussexes (or any other person they have never met) but rushes into print or broadcast with their views? No health professional worth their salt would pontificate in public about another person?s mental condition without having been consulted by them. And the fact he has done so makes it doubly as unethical and unprofessional.
since Meghan puts herself into the position of public discussion, being critical of others and accusing them or racism and other things, she must accept that experts as well as non experts about anything and everything will be out in force. If she didn't want it she would be silent.
King Charles III spoke of both of his children in the address, saying he wished to ''express my love for Harry and Meghan as they continue to build their lives overseas''.
👏🏻
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 05, 2022, 01:10:08 PM
since Meghan puts herself into the position of public discussion, being critical of others and accusing them or racism and other things, she must accept that experts as well as non experts about anything and everything will be out in force. If she didn't want it she would be silent.
Meghan needs to learn to *think* before she speaks, it seems she goes with her emotions of anger before she speaks.
IMO her pattern/she purposely likes to stir conflict and drama, where there isn't one or any.
Each and every blame game has turned out to be exaggerated or a lie.
I hope during these 2 weeks (Charles ''In a little over a week's time we will come together...funeral'' plus 7 days more of morning) both the Sussexes can reflect and a light after the tunnel. What I really hope, stop trashing, basically what the Washington Post said, they both need to move forward rather than keep on looking at their past BRF misgivings.
Since it was reported that the Sussex's will be staying at Frogmore for another 10 days, that give them and the royal family time to talk and hopefully come to some understanding that things need to change and all the drama and lies by the Sussex's need to stop now. Harry has lost his grandfather and now his grandmother whom I am sure he is grieving deeply. I really do not think Meghan understands that the word *family* means. She wants her family to be what she wants and that is not how families work, there is give and take on both sides, not just one side which is how she wants it to be from all that I have seen and read about her. She has shown and said her dislike the of the royal family for the entire world to see and read, yet she uses the titles that they gave her and fights for more from them with her hateful comments of threats of knowing more as she has said. Meghan is never going away quietly and nothing will ever fill that emptiness in her soul. We will just have to watch and wait that they both do while at Frogmore for the next 10 days...
Quote from: Nightowl on September 09, 2022, 06:24:26 PM
Since it was reported that the Sussex's will be staying at Frogmore for another 10 days, that give them and the royal family time to talk and hopefully come to some understanding that things need to change and all the drama and lies by the Sussex's need to stop now. Harry has lost his grandfather and now his grandmother whom I am sure he is grieving deeply. I really do not think Meghan understands that the word *family* means. She wants her family to be what she wants and that is not how families work, there is give and take on both sides, not just one side which is how she wants it to be from all that I have seen and read about her. She has shown and said her dislike the of the royal family for the entire world to see and read, yet she uses the titles that they gave her and fights for more from them with her hateful comments of threats of knowing more as she has said. Meghan is never going away quietly and nothing will ever fill that emptiness in her soul. We will just have to watch and wait that they both do while at Frogmore for the next 10 days...
Nicely worded, Nightowl. The King demonstrated graciousness and reconciliation, and I'm sure Harry has seen that side of his father before. I hope Meghan will see it as good family dynamics, but she says she is waiting for an apology, which I found very surprising and, well, unjustified. Who knows what will be said in private, but the fact that she sees herself as wronged but not having done wrong herself makes me worry about her reaction. If it is negative, ie still demanding an apology, it will put Harry in a difficult position.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 09, 2022, 06:01:19 PM
Meghan needs to learn to *think* before she speaks, it seems she goes with her emotions of anger before she speaks.
Both she and Harry do that. To me, an even more serious issue is that she always sees herself as a victim. I find it amazing and also very troubling.
Meghan Markle cancels Jimmy Fallon appearance and United Nations visit | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11198607/Meghan-Markle-cancels-Jimmy-Fallon-appearance-United-Nations-visit.html)
Prince Harry and Meghan will stay in UK 'until after funeral' of Queen Elizabeth - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-meghan-stay-uk-27955840)
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 09, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
Nicely worded, Nightowl. The King demonstrated graciousness and reconciliation, and I'm sure Harry has seen that side of his father before. I hope Meghan will see it as good family dynamics, but she says she is waiting for an apology, which I found very surprising and, well, unjustified. Who knows what will be said in private, but the fact that she sees herself as wronged but not having done wrong herself makes me worry about her reaction. If it is negative, ie still demanding an apology, it will put Harry in a difficult position.
What has anyone in the royal done to Meghan that she wants an apology? Does she remember that Charles walked her part way down the aisle to marry his son? They have been given millions of dollars, a clothing allowance, cars, a home, what more does she want? Harry is already in that difficult position with his wife and the royal family even if he denies it for it is staring him in the face. And just *who* in the royal family should apologize to Meghan? Does Harry want an apology also from someone? It is the royal that should get way more than apology from the Sussex's for they keep LYING about the royal family. Just how long was Meghan even in the royal family.....a year maybe or a little more. Here is something I saw today.....there is a picture of royals on the balcony, it shows the Queen, Meghan and Harry..the Queen is wearing the color blue with a blue hat and Meghan in a dark navy dress with a see thru navy hat and Harry in a uniform.....Meghan is standing somewhat behind the Queen and that smirk on her face while she is looking down her nose at the Queen says it all to me, with disgust and hate. I saw a picture of Harry doing the same look to Catherine long before Meghan....
With Harry leaving early from Balmoral alone, not with the royal family says a lot to me, he was also not invited to fly to Balmoral when William, Andrew, Edward and Sophie went either. He has around 12 hours there with the royal family, alone and I like everyone else have no idea what was said or what was done.........yet it is very telling he left alone, early. And the pictures of him looking miserable tells the fact things did not go his way.
Look, King Charles 111 speech where he said he loved his son Harry and his wife Meghan is telling..it did not open any doors or give an invite back to the family did it? I believe William being now given the Prince of Wales position and Catherine also being Princess of Wales is something that will really bother Harry and Meghan because they are all about titles, entitlement, money (gads the Duchy of Cornwall is a powerful organization with lots of money) and power and world recognition is almost a slap in the face to them.
Here the next days will tell how they want things to go........yet *Trust* has been broken and when that happens it is extremely difficult to repair.....is Netflix around or not?
Harry undoubtedly looked miserable in the car because his much-loved grandmother has just died. Even the tabloids put that interpretation on it.
And when did Meghan (or Harry for that matter) state that they wanted an apology from the Royal Family? Journalists may well have said it, as well as one or two of the ?royal experts?. However that is speculation straight from their fertile imaginations. There is far too much belief in what the newspapers report on the Sussexes by people here. Every negative story of what they have done and said, however OTT, receives complete belief as if it comes from Mt Ararat.
And if Harry was refused a lift in the aircraft to Scotland in which the disgusting and corrupt Andrew was allowed to travel, well that says far more to me about the moral fibre of the BRF than anything Harry has done.
Quote from: sara8150 on September 10, 2022, 12:28:14 AM
Meghan Markle cancels Jimmy Fallon appearance and United Nations visit | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11198607/Meghan-Markle-cancels-Jimmy-Fallon-appearance-United-Nations-visit.html)
Prince Harry and Meghan will stay in UK 'until after funeral' of Queen Elizabeth - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-meghan-stay-uk-27955840)
In light of the death of QEII and her upcoming funeral, it's best that these events be cancelled and rescheduled.
Meghan Markle makes major cancellations ahead of the Queen's funeral - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220910150700/meghan-markle-major-cancellations-queen-funeral/)
Quote from: TLLK on September 10, 2022, 04:11:02 AM
In light of the death of QEII and her upcoming funeral, it's best that these events be cancelled and rescheduled.
Yes and you?re right about that
Quote from: sara8150 on September 10, 2022, 12:03:34 PM
Meghan Markle makes major cancellations ahead of the Queen's funeral - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220910150700/meghan-markle-major-cancellations-queen-funeral/)
I wonder if the children will be flying in or stay in Montecito with their handlers. 3 Weeks or 4 is a lot of time.
Quote from: wannable on September 10, 2022, 03:55:33 PM
I wonder if the children will be flying in or stay in Montecito with their handlers. 3 Weeks or 4 is a lot of time.
I?m not sure if Sussex will bring kids or NOT we have wait and see remember Meghan against paparazzi and media due taking pictures of Archie
Another picture for posterity, the foursome thanking the crowds, they spent 40 minutes meeting and greeting.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcT-DN8XEAEnN9w?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: wannable on September 10, 2022, 06:13:30 PM
Another picture for posterity, the foursome thanking the crowds, they spent 40 minutes meeting and greeting.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcT-DN8XEAEnN9w?format=jpg&name=small)
Let this day and event mark a new chapter for the brothers. They have had difficulties over the last few years, but as this photo shows, they are very much united over their grandmother HMQ. William and Harry are now the sons of the King of England, and they and their wives must behave accordingly.
Yes, I'm making it a point by posting this touching picture in the New Chapter of the Sussexes Board. :flower3: :hi:
Quote from: wannable on September 10, 2022, 03:55:33 PM
I wonder if the children will be flying in or stay in Montecito with their handlers. 3 Weeks or 4 is a lot of time.
I believe that one or both of the parents will return to California in the days before the funeral on September 19th but both will be present for the service. However I believe that they won't bring the children to the UK .
Well it would be nice to see Archie and Lilibet at the Queen's funeral, it would be nice to see George, Charlotte and Louis too. :shake: :windsor1: :orchid: :flower: :notworthy: :shrug:
I think the children might be to young to sit and be quiet for that long time period, it is a time of quiet reflection and grieving.
Quote from: TheRealDuchessOfSussex on September 11, 2022, 06:30:14 AM
Well it would be nice to see Archie and Lilibet at the Queen's funeral, it would be nice to see George, Charlotte and Louis too. :shake: :windsor1: :orchid: :flower: :notworthy: :shrug:
George may be there, perhaps Charlotte. I just feel the others are much too young to sit through a long service with readings, hymns etc.
Quote from: TLLK on September 11, 2022, 03:56:56 AM
I believe that one or both of the parents will return to California in the days before the funeral on September 19th but both will be present for the service. However I believe that they won't bring the children to the UK .
Harry and Meghan stay in UK till after HM Queen Elizabeth II?s funeral but the couples don?t bring kids to UK and Archie and Lilibet stay with Meghan?s mom im mention on my post #168
Quote from: Nightowl on September 11, 2022, 06:56:36 AM
I think the children might be to young to sit and be quiet for that long time period, it is a time of quiet reflection and grieving.
Yes Archie is 3 years old and Lilibet is 1 years old not idea to bring to HM Queen Elizabeth II?s funeral till over 5 years old to attend
Harry and Meghan's children continue to be listed as 'Master' and 'Miss' on updated succession order | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11200585/Harry-Meghans-children-continue-listed-Master-Miss-updated-succession-order.html)
Quote from: wannable on September 10, 2022, 06:31:54 PM
Yes, I'm making it a point by posting this touching picture in the New Chapter of the Sussexes Board. :flower3: :hi:
Well my hope and happiness lasted a little less than 24 hours. There seems to be no real goodwill from the Sussexes. Reports of after W offered them, ''negotiations'' were done during 45 minutes, allegedly because the Sussexes already had a impromptu plan in place with CNN to make their own (American Royal) walk. The anchor of CNN said LIVE: ''It ended up with the Royals Harry and Meghan walking with the ''other'' royals. What? The CNN editors didn't scrap, hide, delete or CUT from live this comment.
Firstly, HMQEII had just passed away, everyone should be in grieving mode, there shouldn't be any negotiations, just do it for her, your granny!!!
Secondly, IF CNN/Sussexes had their plan, shame on H&M
Thirdly, I'm delusional to have had that hope and goodwill reflected in my comments yesterday.
*****
My personal opinion about the Sussex children, is IF EVERYTHING would have been 100% Transparent (remember the brouhaha of conceiving, the emails, Sara L taking the blame, no immediate photo op, etc. etc. etc.) and Meghan wouldn't have made the several damaging Archie comments, Archie and Lilibet would ''automatically'' appear in the official Royal.Gov website with their prince/princess title. The excuse from the BP staff that after 10 days, bla bla bla....really!!! the POW's were placed and done, the only thing you need to do is scroll down to the lines, open edit, change, fixed ,updated! Very simple really. Then there is an ACTUAL discusion hereditary peers official website about past and most importantly present of how babies were recorded, today it is DNA tests. i.e. From having people view the birth the last was with QEII, to having
certified ''royal'' doctors and officially sign the Walesses children, Yorks, Tindalls and Phillips to DNA test none that we know so far. NOTE: I have to add it because IT IS being discussed. The Lord Newall, Viscount Torrington is leading it. So don't get angry at me/messenger. The Sussexes presented a no name no signature form with only data of the babies/UK citizen and the USA citizen.
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle may fly Archie and Lilibet to the UK for Queen's funeral | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11201733/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-fly-Archie-Lilibet-UK-Queens-funeral.html)
Archie Harrison and Lilibet Diana tipped to fly in for Queen's funeral with Doria Ragland | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1667839/Archie-Harrison-news-Lilibet-Diana-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-Queen-funeral-Doria-Ragland)
Quote from: TLLK on September 11, 2022, 03:56:56 AM
I believe that one or both of the parents will return to California in the days before the funeral on September 19th but both will be present for the service. However I believe that they won't bring the children to the UK .
TLLK, I thought the same thing, it's hard to be separated from the little ones for this long. I also believe that they will bring the children back to the UK before the funeral.
Quote from: Blue Clover on September 11, 2022, 04:10:52 PM
TLLK, I thought the same thing, it's hard to be separated from the little ones for this long. I also believe that they will bring the children back to the UK before the funeral.
a long way to bring two small children for just a few days and for an occasion that they wont at all understand.
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 11, 2022, 04:33:26 PM
a long way to bring two small children for just a few days and for an occasion that they wont at all understand.
Yes Archie and Lilibet will not understand on great grandmother the HM Queen Elizabeth II?s death
of course they wont, so why drag them all the way to the UK for a week - when H and Meg will presumably be at the ceremonies and funeral and seeing their family.
So they can be with their mom/dad who also has his birthday soon, Harry bday September 15! . They won't be in public but in their home (Forgmore cottage) with their parents. Morning and evenings with their parents is something (add in that the parents have nothing to do with royal work until the funeral day, September 19, so all day with their children is good) rather than nothing/not seeing them for 3 plus weeks, the couple were already on their own tour.
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 11, 2022, 04:45:19 PM
of course they wont, so why drag them all the way to the UK for a week - when H and Meg will presumably be at the ceremonies and funeral and seeing their family.
Amabel, Why don't we let their parents decide what to do with them?
Quote from: Curryong on September 10, 2022, 04:06:04 AM
Harry undoubtedly looked miserable in the car because his much-loved grandmother has just died. Even the tabloids put that interpretation on it.
And when did Meghan (or Harry for that matter) state that they wanted an apology from the Royal Family? Journalists may well have said it, as well as one or two of the ?royal experts?. However that is speculation straight from their fertile imaginations. There is far too much belief in what the newspapers report on the Sussexes by people here. Every negative story of what they have done and said, however OTT, receives complete belief as if it comes from Mt Ararat.
And if Harry was refused a lift in the aircraft to Scotland in which the disgusting and corrupt Andrew was allowed to travel, well that says far more to me about the moral fibre of the BRF than anything Harry has done.
It was in the Allison interview transcript. I don't have the exact quote, but I'm sure you can find it on UTUBE. Of course I am not "in the know" but I suspect there is a lot more to that flight to Scotland story, and I for one have learned to doubt much of what I hear. I did listen to the King's speech, however, and regarding Harry and Meghan, I thought he was trying to reassure his son that he is still a member of the family with an acknowledged loss. He will have expressed this to the family and if he and Harry are communicating, to Harry as well. Harry and Meghan will be made welcome - if not warmly, at the very least politely. There will be additional issues in the future, because in my opinion Harry and Meghan can't help themselves from doing what they do. At least right now they are all experiencing shared grief, and it was so nice to see them walking out together. Also comforting to see the other royals still together at Balmoral yesterday.
Quote from: wannable on September 11, 2022, 03:18:23 PM
Well my hope and happiness lasted a little less than 24 hours. There seems to be no real goodwill from the Sussexes. Reports of after W offered them, ''negotiations'' were done during 45 minutes, allegedly because the Sussexes already had a impromptu plan in place with CNN to make their own (American Royal) walk. The anchor of CNN said LIVE: ''It ended up with the Royals Harry and Meghan walking with the ''other'' royals. What? The CNN editors didn't scrap, hide, delete or CUT from live this comment.
Firstly, HMQEII had just passed away, everyone should be in grieving mode, there shouldn't be any negotiations, just do it for her, your granny!!!
Secondly, IF CNN/Sussexes had their plan, shame on H&M
Thirdly, I'm delusional to have had that hope and goodwill reflected in my comments yesterday.
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My personal opinion about the Sussex children, is IF EVERYTHING would have been 100% Transparent (remember the brouhaha of conceiving, the emails, Sara L taking the blame, no immediate photo op, etc. etc. etc.) and Meghan wouldn't have made the several damaging Archie comments, Archie and Lilibet would ''automatically'' appear in the official Royal.Gov website with their prince/princess title. The excuse from the BP staff that after 10 days, bla bla bla....really!!! the POW's were placed and done, the only thing you need to do is scroll down to the lines, open edit, change, fixed ,updated! Very simple really. Then there is an ACTUAL discusion hereditary peers official website about past and most importantly present of how babies were recorded, today it is DNA tests. i.e. From having people view the birth the last was with QEII, to having certified ''royal'' doctors and officially sign the Walesses children, Yorks, Tindalls and Phillips to DNA test none that we know so far. NOTE: I have to add it because IT IS being discussed. The Lord Newall, Viscount Torrington is leading it. So don't get angry at me/messenger. The Sussexes presented a no name no signature form with only data of the babies/UK citizen and the USA citizen.
I understand where your coming from so here is what I do in situations where people disappoint me or do one thing and lie about it......I just do not sat myself up for their failures in life anymore......in fact I in all honesty expect the worst of of them and that usually is what happens, so no more disappointments.
I at this point in time from what I have seen and read about the Sussex's is that I now expect them to write more books, do more interviews and tell the world how horrible the royal family is as that is ALL they have on their plates to do, think about it, just what do the Sussex's have that is worth anything important to give to anyone? The new Prince and Princess of Wales now will have a heavy workload to help the county and the people.....that is called *Work*.
Quote from: Curryong on September 10, 2022, 04:06:04 AM
Harry undoubtedly looked miserable in the car because his much-loved grandmother has just died. Even the tabloids put that interpretation on it.
And when did Meghan (or Harry for that matter) state that they wanted an apology from the Royal Family? Journalists may well have said it, as well as one or two of the ?royal experts?. However that is speculation straight from their fertile imaginations. There is far too much belief in what the newspapers report on the Sussexes by people here. Every negative story of what they have done and said, however OTT, receives complete belief as if it comes from Mt Ararat.
And if Harry was refused a lift in the aircraft to Scotland in which the disgusting and corrupt Andrew was allowed to travel, well that says far more to me about the moral fibre of the BRF than anything Harry has done.
And just maybe finally Harry is feeling *Guilty* for all the drama and stress that he and Meghan have created in HM's life. He had a chance to go visit and didn't and that is ON HIM totally. Years of Harry and Meghan bad mouthing the royal family, won't that cause HM to be stressed out with all the other stuff going on in the family, meaning Andrew and the death of Harry's grandfather no less. HM was grieving the loss of her husband yet did Harry or Meghan give a damn.........NO they continued their plan of wanting to destroy the monarchy because why? MONEY is why....financial freedom is why. Greed over took both of them, Harry grew up with money and palaces, castles, you name it, it was given to him and Meghan did not grow up like that yet when given to her, I think it went straight to her head and she wanted more......money to do it her way! I have read so many comments about that situation and for me, as most of my family is now gone with only my son left on this earth, family to me is *everything* and what they did to the royal family was betrayal by lying over and over again....that makes them traitors in my book to never be forgiven. I just wonder if all this stress and drama had a huge emotional and mental affect on HM that hastened her death..I can't say for sure as I don't know her docs yet my doc has talked to me about stress and what affects it has on the heart because the death of my sister really really affected me deeply more than anything else in this world. Just putting 2 and 2 together to make whatever.
The four of them certainly appeared to be tense, and I thought it was because the rift had become so deeply entrenched that they felt uneasy and insecure in each other's company, even if they were trying to come together for the sake of their grandparents and the King. But, I was happy to see them together! It now appears that there is more to that story. I think we can anticipate a lot more drama as the Sussex's continue to do what they do. I do so hope I'm wrong.
Not holding my breath that the Sussex's will ever be a good fit for King Charles lll or anyone in the royal family....after all Meghan is an *actress* and knows darn well how to play the part and the people. Just how long was Meghan a duchess?
Quote from: Nightowl on September 13, 2022, 02:28:37 AM
Not holding my breath that the Sussex's will ever be a good fit for King Charles lll or anyone in the royal family....after all Meghan is an *actress* and knows darn well how to play the part and the people. Just how long was Meghan a duchess?
Meghan is a Duchess right now. All married-in wives in the BRF take their status from their husbands, as all British women do by custom. The Dukedom of Sussex was given to Harry. Meghan was therefore a Duchess on her wedding day and will remain so for as long as the couple are married. They are happy together and I?m sure it will last a lifetime.
Quote from: Curryong on September 13, 2022, 03:52:38 AM
Meghan is a Duchess right now. All married-in wives in the BRF take their status from their husbands, as all British women do by custom. The Dukedom of Sussex was given to Harry. Meghan was therefore a Duchess on her wedding day and will remain so for as long as the couple are married. They are happy together and I?m sure it will last a lifetime.
Yes, Meghan is a duchess and will be the rest of her life, no doubt about that ever, Yet her former career was an *actress* and those teaching and lessons will be with her the rest of her life also so, that means she can use those lessons to be whatever she wants to be. I have a very close friend who is an actor and knows that show Friends, ( I have no clue about that show as that is not what I spend my time on) and he has shown me and others how those acting lessons or teaching can fool people in life....now anyone out of Hollywood that is in the media, I believe they are *acting* to get what they want, yep a bit cynical of me I know. Both Harry and Meghan LIED about the royal family, and both BROKE any TRUST they had, that is very *disrespectful* and trust broken can barely ever be repaired as we all know.
I still will not hold my breath that either one of them will ever be faithful to the royal family after their betrayal. They can't spin that or even take that back as it is out there for the world to see and read....and that is on them only. Isn't there a quote about keeping your enemies close at hand, something like that, that walkabout was a fabulous PR stunt by William as someone said to me.
why worry about it?
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 13, 2022, 09:07:24 AM
why worry about it?
I?m not worrying about it. I?m passing a few observations in another thread about the ridiculous nature of people (and in the end royals are just people) who have never been in the military parading around as honorary Admirals this and honorary Generals that with an array of faux medals on their chests, given to them by their mother simply for being her children.
Quote from: Curryong on September 13, 2022, 09:25:07 AM
I?m not worrying about it. I?m passing a few observations in another thread about the ridiculous nature of people (and in the end royals are just people) who have never been in the military parading around as honorary Admirals this and honorary Generals that with an array of faux medals on their chests, given to them by their mother simply for being her children.
i was nto responding to you but to Nightowl. harry and Meghan have left royal life. why worry about waht they do now?>
Meghan Markle puts her Archetypes podcast on pause during period of mourning for the Queen | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11203935/Meghan-s-Archetypes-podcast-paused-mourning-period-Queen.html)
Neil Sean said last night it's on pause because Spotify is reviewing with a tooth comb veiled or direct crapping of the BRF in order to edit it out.
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 13, 2022, 09:07:24 AM
why worry about it?
Because when they speak they often do damage to others and to the institution itself. There are many who still listen to them and believe what they say. Now the Duchess has issued a veiled threat about her memoirs.
For one, I don't worry about the Sussex's at all as I have their number a long time ago. Meghan has issued a veil threat about her diary or memoirs.......so I believe we can expect *another* book from the Sussex's as that is a large part of how they make their money....so the Lies pile up I believe as that is all they have been doing for the last 2 years......nothing new......here is something I saw on the internet....
Redirect Notice (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fce6lSeXwAEOY9p?format%3Djpg%26name%3D900x900&source=gmail&ust=1663197389482000&usg=AOvVaw2fLl_tpbGr0P3IVmvwYgarsaw) on the internet......
Just how anyone can believe, trust and honor them is beyond me........of all, Harry should be deeply ashamed of himself for the way he and his wife have trashed the royal family over and over again and I am not the only one in the world that thinks like that....I think everyone here knows just how I feel about Trust and Betrayal of Family.
Building their lives overseas. I would not worry.
The more they trash the more people and countries dislike them. They have to reinvent themselves into something else
FOX News has a story about the walkabout and discusses the accusation that Meghan was working with her PR people to arrange a photo opportunity against protocol. The comments are interesting.
Omid, Richard Kay are the only ones saying it is not true, but this time the USA networks consulted with Buckingham Palace in reference to Meghan and Harry doing their walk and photo op, they did their homework rather than doing an Oprah or Gayle.
In other words the USA media alerted BP and the BBC and other UK networks. They have to, there is a colab with all the free YouTube viewing. Aerial filming too, the hardest.
Quote from: wannable on September 14, 2022, 03:44:46 AM
Omid, Richard Kay are the only ones saying it is not true, but this time the USA networks consulted with Buckingham Palace in reference to Meghan and Harry doing their walk and photo op, they did their homework rather than doing an Oprah or Gayle.
In other words the USA media alerted BP and the BBC and other UK networks. They have to, there is a colab with all the free YouTube viewing. Aerial filming too, the hardest.
I guess they worked fast. And with everything else that was going on at the time!
If true, why would anyone be surprised? H/M need this to make money!
Fox TV is a right wing channel and organisation that has gone after Meghan from the beginning (she?s a keen Dem and there?s been an election loss by Trump, who made remarks about her) . That channel is incredibly biased.
Meghan promised the girl who gave her those flowers that she would put them on the pile of tribute blossoms for her. That girl didn?t want an anonymous aide to do it.
Quote from: Curryong on September 14, 2022, 06:34:37 AM
Fox TV is a right wing channel and organisation that has gone after Meghan from the beginning (she?s a keen Dem and there?s been an election loss by Trump, who made remarks about her) . That channel is incredibly biased.
Meghan promised the girl who gave her those flowers that she would put them on the pile of tribute blossoms for her. That girl didn?t want an anonymous aide to do it.
I don't watch Fox news or any news station, the only thing I watch for is the weather report, way to much violence and murders and rapes anymore....here in Chicago is always about men and guns killing anyone who crosses their path they don't like. And I could care less about that idiot Trump as he is very dangerous to our country, somebody needs to do something about him before it is too late.
Girl and flowers, well if Meghan wasn't there to deliver the flowers, just who does she think would do it then? Nobody had any idea who was going to be in that walkabout did they? Still Meghan lost her cool and someone's camera caught it. Can never be to sure who is watching these days for cameras are every where so being in public is a nightmare if a person is not careful.......no wonder I stay home a lot for it is dangerous out there just walking to the grocery store...LOL
There is only 2 large networks that are filming indoors, outdoors, aeriai in the UK at multiple locations because they have the biggest op going on. Countries that want to 'join' like the USA will join either BBC or SKY ''imagery'' in mute, using their own anchors speaking over the imagery. You don't believe it? Try 2 screens, click 2 different channels in each screen, if the imagery is the same, bingo. IF different, then try a third screen/3rd channel. Since day 1 there is only 2 different imagery available BBC/SKY.
BBC and SKY are British owned. They said they received the alert, hence these UK broadcasters also alerted BP.
IF you have a foreign broadcaster filming at 1 only location, they have to ask credentials OFCOM to stay at the location, most of them are along the sidewalk converted tents outside BP since day 1/September 08. They have joined the BBC and SKY because these 2 have the biggest op. The foreigners will very likely have a 2nd op at Westminster today or join the UK imagery offered by BBC or SKY.
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In reference to Meghan's flowers/PA PPOWs staff, she misremembered how royalty meet and greet works. Firstly if she had received more flowers, when was she planning to hand it over to the staffer? Secondly trying to lecture the staffer of his/her ''per usual'' job is a :hehe: She doesn't have to tell him where the flowers should go, they know it's for the Queen!
Harry and Meghan 'angry as it emerges Archie and Lilibet will not get HRH titles' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11213369/Harry-Meghan-angry-emerges-Archie-Lilibet-not-HRH-titles.html)
Meghan Markle pulls out of glitzy LA awards ceremony | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11192063/Meghan-Markle-pulls-glitzy-LA-awards-ceremony.html)
Meghan Markle cancels red carpet appearance due to be held following Queen's funeral | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220915151150/meghan-markle-cancels-red-carpet-appearance-los-angeles-mourning-period/)
Harry and Meghan 'furious' as Archie and Lilibet will NOT get HRH status - but will be called Prince and Princess | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19810592/harry-meghan-archie-lilibet-hrh-status/)
From where I sit it appears that Meghan and Harry wanted their cake and eat it, too. Royal life is unique and if you want to play you have to adapt to it. If you decide to leave, then you leave, but you can't be partly in and partly out. I was surprised that Harry hadn't worked that out. If they are living in the USA where royalty was eliminated almost 250 years ago they shouldn't expect their children to be given an HRH.
Yes, totally agree with you 100%
I doubt very much that Charles has had hours and hours to spend this week or last negotiating with Harry and Meghan or indeed with anyone. He?s been far too busy. Nor do I feel that Harry is full of angst about this particular question in a week when it?s all been about his grandmother.
Journalists, commentators, ?royal experts? are always endlessly telling their readers/listeners that Harry/Meghan are getting angry/excited/frustrated about all sorts of things. Nine tenths of it is just media speculation, and in the absence of any sort of evidence backing it up then these tabloid articles (in the Fail and The Sun for God?s sake) are just more of the same.
The weeks and months to come will tell the world IF the couple sell their ''experience'' this week in the UK related to HMQEII death.
I will be so surprised if they don't, as there are many articles about their being angry that their children will not be HRH's. So, they will raise their victim personae over that. Otherwise, neither one will miss opportunities to say that they were front and center during the family mourning. And quite honestly, this is a process that has more pageantry than anything I've ever seen. I am American and see it as rare formality, traditional and very appropriate and moving, but many others will see it as medieval and archaic. I wonder if Meghan sees it that way, but how can anybody view the lines of mourners and the spontaneous expressions of sadness, mourning, gratitude, and reverence for the Monarchy as we are now seeing and not be moved by it? How could she not be? Anyway, I think she'll use it in her quest for fame and importance.
Quote from: sara8150 on September 15, 2022, 12:45:48 AM
Harry and Meghan 'angry as it emerges Archie and Lilibet will not get HRH titles' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11213369/Harry-Meghan-angry-emerges-Archie-Lilibet-not-HRH-titles.html)
Meghan Markle pulls out of glitzy LA awards ceremony | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11192063/Meghan-Markle-pulls-glitzy-LA-awards-ceremony.html)
Meghan Markle cancels red carpet appearance due to be held following Queen's funeral | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220915151150/meghan-markle-cancels-red-carpet-appearance-los-angeles-mourning-period/)
Harry and Meghan 'furious' as Archie and Lilibet will NOT get HRH status - but will be called Prince and Princess | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19810592/harry-meghan-archie-lilibet-hrh-status/)
I think Meghan is right to cancel her engagement so soon after the funeral. I may question her motives but I agree with her taking this step.
BREAKING: Prince Harry WILL wear military uniform for Queen vigil alongside seven other grandkids
Buckingham Palace officials are understood to have intervened after it emerged Prince Harry's disgraced uncle, Prince Andrew, had been given special permission to wear his uniform
Quote from: wannable on September 15, 2022, 06:20:57 PM
BREAKING: Prince Harry WILL wear military uniform for Queen vigil alongside seven other grandkids
Buckingham Palace officials are understood to have intervened after it emerged Prince Harry's disgraced uncle, Prince Andrew, had been given special permission to wear his uniform
?After it emerged?lol?? Oh Gimme a break! More likely that BP are in damage control after various commentators (including anti-Sussex ones) complained about the unfairness of it and talkback radio and Twitter joined in! As if BP wouldn?t have known about Andrew being given permission to wear his Admiral?s uniform. Pleeeze! The Palace should get up to date about cutting possible controversies like this off at the Pass by treating the two men equally in the first place.
I'd say King and Ministry of defence with all due respect to Russell Myers (The Mirror who broke the news).
Waiting for the next tantrum :sarcastic: of ''new'' state event at BP Sunday evening (Black Tie, Black dresses) where the trio (Andrew, Harry, Meghan) are not invited.
Quote from: wannable on September 15, 2022, 06:41:15 PM
I'd say King and Ministry of defence with all due respect to Russell Myers (The Mirror who broke the news).
Waiting for the next tantrum :sarcastic: of ''new'' state event at BP Sunday evening (Black Tie, Black dresses) where the trio (Andrew, Harry, Meghan) are not invited.
When has it ever been stated (even in the tabloids this week) that Harry has flown into any kind of tantrum about not wearing his uniform? Andrew may well have when the plans for the funeral etc was laid out by his brother, as otherwise he wouldn?t have requested ?special permission for the vigil? etc. right from the beginning. However, Harry took it on the chin. If he hadn?t then the tabloids would have reported it days ago.
And as for the State event I doubt very very much that Harry cares about anything more than putting the sorrow of this week behind him and getting back to California to see his kids after the funeral.
It depends on the interpretation one gives of his statement about the uniform debacle.
Most of the media outlets in the UK and including the USA said it sounded angry (get all the synonyms used by the media from fuming to enraged)
How did they interpret it? The reminder of his 10 years in the military. Followed by he will be in morning dress.
IMO the whole statement was good to go. I personally didn't see any enragement.
The tantrum bit, is the Media, since a new event has been added, an evening state event with the add on that the trio isn't invited to attend, watch the multiple articles of can't go/angry/will go/not a working royal, etc etc etc.
Quote from: wannable on September 15, 2022, 06:41:15 PM
I'd say King and Ministry of defence with all due respect to Russell Myers (The Mirror who broke the news).
Rebecca English
@RE_DailyMail
On Saturday evening, HMTQ?s 8 grandchildren will stand vigil beside her coffin in Westminster Hall for 15 minutes.
The Prince of Wales will stand at the Head, the Duke of Sussex at the Foot.
At the King?s request, they will both be in uniform.
Spouses will not attend.
^ And here it is, the Commander in Chief King Charles! (All RR's have the same report from BP)
Yes, Charles is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, as his mother was. So what! Do you think you are telling me something I don?t know, lol! You don?t think that Charles wasnt responsive to what was undoubtedly a contentious issue, ie Harry not being allowed military uniform at any part of this week?s proceedings while his disgraced uncle was? Because if you do I?ve got a bridge to sell you!
C-in-C or not, BP and Charles are very keen to not have any controversies at the very beginning of this new reign and the Harry uniform thing was building up in the media to be a big one. And what the King decides is needed (in protocol matters, not military ones) he gets. The military bends to his will. And that wasn?t a military decision, it was a PR one, in which he was beginning to be seen by media and public alike as both unfair and petty.
The media is saying that Harry did make a fuzz (Sky News Live is repeating it just now), so the Commander in Chief King Charles decided that both gents will wear their uniform to keep the peace and focus back on the Queen.
Quote from: wannable on September 16, 2022, 02:43:32 PM
The media is saying that Harry did make a fuzz (Sky News Live is repeating it just now), so the Commander in Chief King Charles decided that both gents will wear their uniform to keep the peace and focus back on the Queen.
Oh right, the media stuck up for Harry and are now saying it was all on him! Sounds like their usual tactics. And Charles couldn?t figure out on his own when the arrangements for Andrew to wear a uniform for the vigil that it wouldn?t reverberate in the public arena as being incredibly unfair and petty towards Harry? To be that tone deaf in the face of a possible looming problem doesn?t say much for Charles?s forward-thinking!
After all the trashing Harry did, knowing most of what he and his wife have said are lies, running to the media to run his mouth about his own family. He will have to bare with all the bad press when it comes his way.
So it may be true, tantrum 👶🏻
Quote from: wannable on September 16, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
After all the trashing Harry did, knowing most of what he and his wife have said are lies, running to the media to run his mouth about his own family. He will have to bare with all the bad press when it comes his way.
So it may be true, tantrum 👶🏻
Oh well, if the media says it?s true then it must be, 100%! It?s very funny that when commentators like Morgan and others were saying that Harry ought to be able to wear a uniform that the media, who always claim that they know EVERYTHING that everyone in the RF say, do and think, didn?t pick up on that ?fact? until today. Weird, that, lol!
You've stated 9/10 times that you dislike Piers Morgan.
Anyway the majority of the media, including BBC said Harry had a tantrum. (He can sue them all)
Now the media live is saying that Harry asked his father what can I do, it's complicated because he isn't a working royal, basically a former royal.
Quite sad, maybe King Charles will accept 21st century part timers? IMO it would be possible with a NDA to not commercialize make moneys speaking about BRF members. They'd probably have to delete everything mentioning Netflix, Spotify and the Book.
Quote from: wannable on September 16, 2022, 03:12:07 PM
You've stated 9/10 times that you dislike Piers Morgan.
Anyway the majority of the media, including BBC said Harry had a tantrum. (He can sue them all)
Well they?ve done a switch from a couple of days ago then, when they were all up in arms about how unfair it was, lol! The media play round and round the mulberry bush with these reports. One outlet starts, the rest follow. And that includes BBC royal correspondents.
I mention Morgan (whom I loathe) because it was/is highly unusual for him to say ANYTHING in Harry/Meghan?s favour EVER. There were plenty of commentators and journalists saying the same thing.
Would you have preferred me to have stated it just came from Omid Scobie, lol!
Quote from: wannable on September 16, 2022, 03:17:39 PM
Now the media live is saying that Harry asked his father what can I do, it's complicated because he isn't a working royal, basically a former royal.
Quite sad, maybe King Charles will accept 21st century part timers? IMO it would be possible with a NDA to not commercialize make moneys speaking about BRF members. They'd probably have to delete everything mentioning Netflix, Spotify and the Book.
How can a King?s son be a former royal? The Duke of Windsor was a former King but abdication didn?t make him a former royal.
And I often think that leaping on media reports about what people in the ranks of the RF are going to do, say or act, is a forlorn exercise, simply because the RF and their Press Offices only throw certain titbits at the media to see if they stick and most of the time the media, including the RRs, don?t know anything. That?s why some of them resort to gossip from aides and servants. I?ll wait for official announcements in preference after 50 years of listening and reading the BS and having a chuckle.
I'm just a messenger, three screens at my home office desk (it grew massively from the pandemic, I own 1/3, the office 2/3) 1 screen office, 2 screens with BBC and the other Sky...repeating what the anchors are saying.
Prince Harry and Meghan?s movements criticised by British media | 9 News Australia - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FPVd5ureEmI)
What?s been reported in Australia about the uniform thing.
I wonder if it will set a precedent. Every very special occasion the non working royal is invited to attend, and working royals using uniform?!
This would have filled a hole in guests? tummies on Harry and Meghan?s wedding day. A mix of English and Scottish food for the most part.
Finding Freedom, written by Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand, notes that guests were served canapes of "Scottish langoustines wrapped in smoked salmon with citrus cr?me fraiche, grilled English asparagus wrapped in Cumbrian ham, garden pea panna cotta with quail eggs and lemon verbena, and poached free-range chicken bound with a lightly spiced yogurt with roasted apricot".
The lunch then included "fricassee of free-range chicken with morel mushrooms and young leeks; pea and mint risotto with pea shoots, truffle oil, and Parmesan crisps; and ten-hour slow-roasted Windsor pork belly with apple compote and crackling".
Concessions to keep the peace for the Queen:
Apparently the Sussexes have been invited to Sunday's reception.
It will be interesting if in weeks, months the couple won't trash the family anymore?! Until Wednesday 7th of September (one day before the passing away of HMQEII) they were trashing daily! (Dan Wootton has the bullet list from Spotify to The Cut to their friend Omid).
Have Meghan's royal diaries been stolen?
Severe critic of Meghan Markle for years, the disgraceful Angela Levin, got some of her own medicine during a TV interview, Newsweek reports
Then royal biographer Angela Levin was confronted on Talk TV, where Morgan is a presenter, about years of criticism of Harry and Meghan.
Host Vanessa Feltz told her: "Do you feel any guilt? Do you feel that you have been responsible for fueling a kind of anti-Meghan faction that has been spiteful and targeting and possibly fanciful as well. Quite a lot of what's been said about her has been pretty much manufactured anyway."
Levin later told Newsweek: "I don't think that her [Feltz's] behavior went with being an interviewer. She was very aggressive and determined to try and squash me."
Piers Morgan Backs Harry on Uniform Despite Years Tormenting Meghan (https://www.newsweek.com/piers-morgan-backs-prince-harry-uniforms-despite-years-tormenting-meghan-markle-queen-funeral-1742876)
Quote from: wannable on September 16, 2022, 07:42:29 PM
Concessions to keep the peace for the Queen:
Apparently the Sussexes have been invited to Sunday's reception.
It will be interesting if in weeks, months the couple won't trash the family anymore?! Until Wednesday 7th of September (one day before the passing away of HMQEII) they were trashing daily! (Dan Wootton has the bullet list from Spotify to The Cut to their friend Omid).
Does Wootton have a bullet list from 2018 to today consisting of his own attacks on Meghan and Harry, beginning with the lies in the Sun under his editorship for which the tabloid had to apologise, about staff parking spaces near FC? Because that bullet list would stretch for about a kilometre if not more!
I gather he does have it, these attacks always have a discovered new thing like a registration of a name with a certain someone in Delaware, and the sort. He?s not the only one, Tom Bower is better with receipts.
Harry and Meghan have been 'uninvited to state reception at Buckingham Palace' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11221363/Harry-Meghan-uninvited-state-reception-Buckingham-Palace.html)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Won't Attend Palace Reception (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-wont-attend-buckingham-palace-reception-sunday-working-members-family-only/)
Harry and Meghan ?uninvited to state reception? hosted by King Charles at Palace - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-meghan-uninvited-state-reception-28013533)
Prince Harry and Meghan ?uninvited to state reception' hosted by King Charles at Buckingham Palace | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19834355/meghan-harry-uninvited-reception-buckingham-palace/)
For work royals only to invite only but Harry and Andrew not invite for reception
^ I thought it weird, when the only one who had tweeted the invite was Omid (and then the only made article was the Express, like really buried down and copy pasting Omid's tweet), hence my previous comment of the invitation. Then I did read the Telegraph article today early in the morning that it isn't true, they were not brutal in the wording, just stating that the Montecito Communications are confused.
Here is Omid's tweet 22 hours ago.
Omid Scobie
@scobie
22h
𝐋𝐀𝐓𝐄𝐒𝐓: On Sunday, King Charles will host world leaders, diplomats and international royals at a historic state reception at Buckingham Palace on the eve of the Queen?s funeral. Senior royal family members, including Duke and Duchess of Sussex, have been invited to join.
Quote from: wannable on September 17, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
^ I thought it weird, when the only one who had tweeted the invite was Omid (and then the only made article was the Express, like really buried down and copy pasting Omid's tweet), hence my previous comment of the invitation. Then I did read the Telegraph article today early in the morning that it isn't true, they were not brutal in the wording, just stating that the Montecito Communications are confused.
Here is Omid's tweet 22 hours ago.
Omid Scobie
@scobie
22h
𝐋𝐀𝐓𝐄𝐒𝐓: On Sunday, King Charles will host world leaders, diplomats and international royals at a historic state reception at Buckingham Palace on the eve of the Queen?s funeral. Senior royal family members, including Duke and Duchess of Sussex, have been invited to join.
King Charles makes decisions to host world leaders and European royals to attend at Buckingham Palace out his hands is ties not my decisions its his decisions he become King he learned from his mother the Queen Elizabeth II when late Queen Elizabeth II was in charge she invite world leaders and European royals who not work royals not invite end of discussion because Harry and Andrew no longer work because Andrew still investigation on disgrace Jeffrey Epstein Harry resignation his royal work and senior royal family plus bombshell interview on national television embarrassed his father and his brother but Harry plans to publish his books but halt till next year due death of HM Queen Elizabeth II as moderator for Sussex will not happened again
Meghan Markle & Prince Harry Dump US-Based PR Firm Who Helped Extract Them From British Royals In Wake Of Queen Elizabeth's Death
There might be another reason Meghan Markle is agreeing to stay in the United Kingdom besides for Queen Elizabeth's funeral. RadarOnline.com has confirmed the unpopular Duchess of Sussex and her husband, Prince Harry, have severed ties with their United States PR firm, with Sunshine Sachs telling us "we no longer work" with the exiled royals.
This comes after an anonymous tipster claimed "Meghan and Harry are no longer" with the PR firm, adding "intel is solid!" We did some digging and Meghan no longer hawks the high-profile firm on her Celebrity Service account. The website provides a treasure trove of information, taking pride in "providing accurate and up-to-date contact information" on all of Hollywood's hottest stars.
Meghan Markle & Prince Harry Dump US-Based PR Firm (https://radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-prince-harry-dropped-sunshine-sachs-pr-firm/)
@wannable-I recall that you mentioned in an earlier post that there were rumors that the couple had parted ways with SS but now the PR firm has confirmed that they're no longer representing the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. I believe that Meghan had worked with them for years while she was a member of the Suits cast.
Different strokes for different strokes here!
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/meghan-markle-receives-hate-while-prince-andrew-gets-away-with-it/news-story/3ea08c89bc6d2a5d8eb66a7cecad1f9c
?But while Markle has stepped away from the royals to embrace sunny weather and podcasting, in Prince Andrew?s case, he has been away from his royal duties because he settled a civil sex abuse case over allegations that he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre when she was only 17.
Prince Andrew has repeatedly and strongly denying all the claims against him.
That settlement meant Prince Andrew had to give up his public life because he became a disgrace. The Queen stripped her second son of his royal patronages, honorary military titles, and his official use of his HRH style in a bid to distance the institution of the monarchy from the case.
In comparison, Markle?s greatest crime is that she left the royal family to seek freedom from the rules of a rigid Monarchy.?
Quote from: TLLK on September 17, 2022, 01:23:36 PM
@wannable-I recall that you mentioned in an earlier post that there were rumors that the couple had parted ways with SS but now the PR firm has confirmed that they're no longer representing the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. I believe that Meghan had worked with them for years while she was a member of the Suits cast.
It was a rumour but it seems to be true now. She didn't get rid of them (she still has a handful of employees from when she was single) when she got engaged to Harry, hence my jest in their UK engagement thread that I predict the couple will be staying in the UK for a long time, half a year? I don't know, the wink wink, LOL is exactly that.
Quote from: sara8150 on September 17, 2022, 12:39:11 PM
Harry and Meghan have been 'uninvited to state reception at Buckingham Palace' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11221363/Harry-Meghan-uninvited-state-reception-Buckingham-Palace.html)
For work royals only to invite only but Harry and Andrew not invite for reception
Wannable was the only one to mention this invite on the forum. My only comment on it when she did (and I believe it to be true) was that Harry wouldn?t be bothered. That in fact the thing paramount in his mind (and in Meghan?s) is the reunion with his children in California after the funeral.
Quote from: Curryong on September 17, 2022, 01:23:54 PM
Different strokes for different strokes here!
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/meghan-markle-receives-hate-while-prince-andrew-gets-away-with-it/news-story/3ea08c89bc6d2a5d8eb66a7cecad1f9c
?But while Markle has stepped away from the royals to embrace sunny weather and podcasting, in Prince Andrew?s case, he has been away from his royal duties because he settled a civil sex abuse case over allegations that he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre when she was only 17.
Prince Andrew has repeatedly and strongly denying all the claims against him.
That settlement meant Prince Andrew had to give up his public life because he became a disgrace. The Queen stripped her second son of his royal patronages, honorary military titles, and his official use of his HRH style in a bid to distance the institution of the monarchy from the case.
In comparison, Markle?s greatest crime is that she left the royal family to seek freedom from the rules of a rigid Monarchy.?
Her greatest crime is TRASHING THE BRF and she still did until Wednesday 7th September, hours before the Queen's death! No one will forget that.
Quote from: Curryong on September 17, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
Wannabie was the only one to mention this invite on the forum. My only comment on it when she did (and I believe it to be true) was that Harry wouldn?t be bothered. That in fact the thing paramount in his mind (and in Meghan?s) is the reunion with his children in California after the funeral.
It is known that Omid is the Sussexes friend, he can't deny it ever again, the court case showed 30 emails more than 2 dozen whatsapp messages. He was the only one to post, tweet it, result: one media publication did an article referring to HIS tweet. The Express covered their backs, just in case measure, as it should be.
For what it's worth, I am going to keep posting in the forum Omid's tweets for entertainment purposes, very likely in the ''Royal Commentators'' thread :blank:
As for predicting a long stay in the UK for the Sussexes, in fact Harry did say when they left in 2019 that they will be back in the UK for certain periods of time during the years to come. He reiterated this some months later when he said that if it hadn?t been for Covid they would have been back before. That was in 2020.
I think they are staying (rumor again) because he wants to sue Tom Bower, although Meghan doesn't want him to sue. Harry can't sue Tom Bower from Montecito, the book's official publisher, headquarters is London. Plus other matters that are rumors too, but are deeper and more delicate to discuss yet.
Basically both are in a crossroads of 'what next'. All IMO. He want's to do something (S), she doesn't agree. That's it for now.
I mean MM might just want to go home to her children, whilst Harry might want to start or finish business...
Quote from: wannable on September 17, 2022, 01:42:54 PM
Basically both are in a crossroads of 'what next'. All IMO. He want's to do something (S), she doesn't agree. That's it for now.
I mean MM might just want to go home to her children, whilst Harry might want to start or finish business...
If Harry had wished to sue Tom Bower he would have begun the process before the Queen?s death, when he was over for the WellChild event. Not having a crystal ball he would hardly have known that his grandmother was going to die, giving him an extra week or so in the UK.
Neil Sean talks out of his hat 99% of the time. Like the rest of them!
Time will tell. Like for example there are several RR's who discussed before the Queen's death that the 'free' day the couple had from their tour was to meet personally rather than video call, their UK lawyers and other matters.
As I've said, I post rumors what may be true/false and has an 'edge' of being true or is forum friendly. The deeper/delicate ones nope.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 13, 2022, 02:28:37 AM
Not holding my breath that the Sussex's will ever be a good fit for King Charles lll or anyone in the royal family....after all Meghan is an *actress* and knows darn well how to play the part and the people. Just how long was Meghan a duchess?
Harry is the son of King Charles III, and Meghan is his wife. In time all will be well within this family, including Harry, Meghan, and their children. What is happening here is not unlike what happens countless times a day in families worldwide. Families face conflict, and many families eventually resolve their conflicts. The Royal family has always faced and managed family conflict.
Blue Clover:
Not all quarrels and arguments have been settled in the royal family and the example is Edward and Wallis( Queen Mom was fierce in not forgiving from what I have read and I like QM..she would of loved to rip Wallis's hair out and I agree with that).....what they did was just as despicable as what Harry and Meghan did by lying and betraying the royal family and of all things on national TV in front of the entire world no less and Meghan kept it going up to the day before HM dies. Harry and Meghan broke the most important word in the English language to me, *TRUST* and when it is broken then it can at times barely be repaired or never repaired. Regardless of a family being royal or not, *Trust* within the family means you have each other's back in good time and bad, there is IMHO no good times from the looks on the faces and yet I understand they are also grieving for HM, twice the drama now with HM passing and Harry and Meghan there to watch and take notes or whatever for Netflix and podcasts or more TV interviews.... maybe some in the family will forgive Harry yet Meghan, not a chance in hell will that happen. After all Meghan is an Actress and knows how to play the part least we all forget!
One thing I strongly believe in for each person on this earth, take the time and have personal therapy for a short amount of time for it can do wonders in making a person aware of their life and life around them..it makes all the difference in the world when a person walks out the door and see the human race from a different perspective.......I got Meghan's number the first picture I saw of her and Harry together and Charles was fooled yet HM was not.
Oh, I so much liked what Prince Philip said about actresses....*we date them, we do not marry them* Harry got fooled on the first date as Meghan had his number yet maybe she really fell in love with the man or the money, time will tell..
Quote from: Nightowl on September 17, 2022, 09:15:11 PM
Blue Clover:
Not all quarrels and arguments have been settled in the royal family and the example is Edward and Wallis( Queen Mom was fierce in not forgiving from what I have read and I like QM..she would of loved to rip Wallis's hair out and I agree with that).....what they did was just as despicable as what Harry and Meghan did by lying and betraying the royal family and of all things on national TV in front of the entire world no less and Meghan kept it going up to the day before HM dies. Harry and Meghan broke the most important word in the English language to me, *TRUST* and when it is broken then it can at times barely be repaired or never repaired. Regardless of a family being royal or not, *Trust* within the family means you have each other's back in good time and bad, there is IMHO no good times from the looks on the faces and yet I understand they are also grieving for HM, twice the drama now with HM passing and Harry and Meghan there to watch and take notes or whatever for Netflix and podcasts or more TV interviews.... maybe some in the family will forgive Harry yet Meghan, not a chance in hell will that happen. After all Meghan is an Actress and knows how to play the part least we all forget!
One thing I strongly believe in for each person on this earth, take the time and have personal therapy for a short amount of time for it can do wonders in making a person aware of their life and life around them..it makes all the difference in the world when a person walks out the door and see the human race from a different perspective.......I got Meghan's number the first picture I saw of her and Harry together and Charles was fooled yet HM was not.
I don?t think so on Queen Mother and Wallis Simpson will get throat each other BUT Queen Mother is right because her disgraceful brother in law for get married to wrong woman Duke of Windsor former king Edward VIII and King George VI block his own brother for HRH because what happened in 1936 but Duke of Windsor have two chosen married or throne on the line but he chosen married but he no longer work with royal family and also HRH because of Wallis Simpson many people in London hate Wallis Simpson because she did touch King?s arms
Quote from: Nightowl on September 17, 2022, 09:30:21 PM
Oh, I so much liked what Prince Philip said about actresses....*we date them, we do not marry them* Harry got fooled on the first date as Meghan had his number yet maybe she really fell in love with the man or the money, time will tell..
I?m agreed with you and Duke of Edinburgh is right!! I?m sure Duke of Edinburgh told Harry get nice girl in England not USA girls and remain in London but Harry have accepted lose HRH and no longer work royals but related to royals
Quote from: Nightowl on September 17, 2022, 09:30:21 PM
Oh, I so much liked what Prince Philip said about actresses....*we date them, we do not marry them* Harry got fooled on the first date as Meghan had his number yet maybe she really fell in love with the man or the money, time will tell..
what evidence is there that Philip said this?
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 18, 2022, 10:22:05 AM
what evidence is there that Philip said this?
The Fail claimed that Philip had ?reportedly said? ?One steps out with actresses not marry them? but offered no source, and The Sun wondered whether he was speaking from experience.
Did Prince Philip warn Harry ?one doesn?t marry actresses? because of his own dalliances with leggy stars? ? The Sun | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9319576/prince-philips-harry-affairs-actresses/)
?HE's famous for being brazenly outspoken - and his latest comments on Prince Harry's marriage have caused outrage.
Prince Philip told his grandson that one should only 'step out with actresses, not marry them.' But was he speaking from personal experience??
and you think that is proof? I get the feeling that by the time Hary was courting Meghan Philip was not really all htat interested in the outside world and I doubt if he said any such thing.
At this point it doesn't really matter. The couple are a disgrace. They run their mouth to the media every single time so far.
And I suspect IF things don't go their way during their UK stay, they will run their mouth again.
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 18, 2022, 01:06:30 PM
and you think that is proof? I get the feeling that by the time Hary was courting Meghan Philip was not really all htat interested in the outside world and I doubt if he said any such thing.
Yes I agree. I said that the DM offered no source for what PP reputedly said. As with much else the journalist concerned probably made it up.
\it would be nice if people would make some attempt to find out the truth about royal issues. OK it's not a very intellectual hobby but I enjoy it as I am so unwell all the time Im not up to heavy reading anymore. but the way people jump to believe every silly story on the web or the papers without ever using a little nous, is annoying.
I know of no evidence that Philip made any such remark about Harry and Meghan, albeit it may well be what he thought privately. I think he was absorbed in his own little world in the last couple of years and did not pay much attention to things.
Nor do i know of any evidence that the QM wanted to tear out Wallis' hair.... or the like,
Journalists very likely had in mind that ''quote'' he said, even before Harry was born.
Matter of fact, when something is related to an event, everyone uses a quote to state the similarity of the situation.
what quote? What quote did Philip ever make prior to Harry being born?
The actresses thing. I'm almost sure he said it decades ago.
Well, I?ve been a royal watcher and collector of biographies of royals (Prince Philip included) for over fifty years and I?ve never read or heard that he made any such comment about actresses (or about showgirls, as dancers were often then called) though he was certainly friendly with some when in his twenties and thirties.
I could be wrong, but didn't he say it to Andrew?! The list of faux pas and gaffes are famous or infamous PP quotes.
I've never heard of it either. That may be what Philip thinks, that actresses are fine for an affair but not for marriage. However I know of no evidence that he said anything like this to anyone of his family. i've read bios of him and never read this quote.
Media is horrible with misquotes and errors. Yesterday they were calling Kate Catherine, The Princess of Wales. Ugh.
Here is something, Harry does not now or ever accept responsibility for his actions, behavior or decisions, he does this..
What have you done? It is all gone, you've trashed where you come from, you trampled all over your reputation, you constantly attacked your country and the RF, and made all that you had, disappear !!!
For what? I..hope she was worth your the reputation you now have here, the disrespect aimed directly at you both from your country, and the worst of all, KNOWING that you caused your grandmother and amazing Queen such hurt in the last few years of her life, and we all witnessed it, but you will now have to live with that for the rest of your life!!!!!
now know that is karma as it is all coming back to you!
I am sorry if this upsets anyone yet the internet has all the trashing by both Harry and Meghan for all to see and read...who, Harry and Meghan hate their family enough to trash them in front of the entire world and thinks it is okay as they are acting like spoiled children not getting their own way. The monarchy will survive them, they might not survive what they did though. What else is there left for them to do besides more *books, more TV interviews, more podcasts, more trashing......they have nothing of value to give or help anyone now. I feel sad for the royal family and at the same time sad for Harry and Meghan as they know better.
DR MAX PEMBERTON: William and Harry should go to therapy together | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11224969/DR-MAX-PEMBERTON-William-Harry-therapy-together.html)
Quote from: Blue Clover on September 17, 2022, 03:50:51 PM
Harry is the son of King Charles III, and Meghan is his wife. In time all will be well within this family, including Harry, Meghan, and their children. What is happening here is not unlike what happens countless times a day in families worldwide. Families face conflict, and many families eventually resolve their conflicts. The Royal family has always faced and managed family conflict.
No. There will NOT be because first of all, Meghan does not want that. Next, Henry has a scathing, awful, but good, juicy book coming out about his target subjects: his father, his brother.
Some things are forever separating. No time nor forgiveness can make it rainbows and butterflies.
Some families, some friends can move on, make up, but that is when there are simple differences of opinions, minor things.
It is also when all sides want to do this and come together.
Nightowl,
Dr. Max Pemberton believes entering therapy together would go a long way in supporting resolving whatever conflict exists between Harry and William. He explains that family rifts have deep-seated, complex roots, so support can help in such cases.
DR MAX PEMBERTON: William and Harry should go to therapy together | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11224969/DR-MAX-PEMBERTON-William-Harry-therapy-together.html)
There's Harry's Memoir, then Meghan told The Cut she went to Frogmore Cottage this past June 2022 got her Diary and didn't sign an NDA.
More hurtful stuff?
I'm in a crossroad if William should have brothers therapy, like what Kate and her entire family did for James. Each of the members went to several sessions with him/joined. If worked for James, but it's no guarantee it will work for Harry.
He seems to be in a permanent victimhood, nothing makes him happy. It's quite sad, but I'm sick of their drama and the permanent victimhood, which comes with potshots to a 'senior royal', it doesn't make it clickbate with lesser individuals.
Quote from: wannable on September 19, 2022, 12:28:17 AM
There's Harry's Memoir, then Meghan told The Cut she went to Frogmore Cottage this past June 2022 got her Diary and didn't sign an NDA.
More hurtful stuff?
I'm in a crossroad if William should have brothers therapy, like what Kate and her entire family did for James. Each of the members went to several sessions with him/joined. If worked for James, but it's no guarantee it will work for Harry.
He seems to be in a permanent victimhood, nothing makes him happy. It's quite sad, but I'm sick of their drama and the permanent victimhood, which comes with potshots to a 'senior royal', it doesn't make it clickbate with lesser individuals.
I?m agreed with you
Quote from: Blue Clover on September 18, 2022, 11:57:57 PM
Nightowl,
Dr. Max Pemberton believes entering therapy together would go a long way in supporting resolving whatever conflict exists between Harry and William. He explains that family rifts have deep-seated, complex roots, so support can help in such cases.
DR MAX PEMBERTON: William and Harry should go to therapy together | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11224969/DR-MAX-PEMBERTON-William-Harry-therapy-together.html)
Thank you for that info, yet betrayal of a member of a family to others in that same family at times can not be forgiven as I well know. A family member betrayed my family and it hurt like hell and yet some forgave and I did not, just something in me that you *do not* betray family ever and that person later died of a natural cause, I live with that and have had therapy yet I can not forgive, and I have had the church, friends etc all talk about forgiveness and for me, forgiveness is highly over rated, so I don't and if someone doesn't forgive me, that okay. Harry really really blew his family to hell and back and what he did to make his grandparents suffer at the last years of their lives is *unforgivable* to me, that is cruel and mean spirited and hateful regardless of the time when issues were known in the family. You cherish, you love and do all you can in the last years of your grandparents life ever. Those memories of what Harry and Meghan did are *out there on the internet* forever and now they have to live with that. I would like to think HM was a forgiving lady yet I bet she was deeply hurt by her grandson and his wife the last couple of years. If anyone thinks that what H/M did was okay, fine that is on them for I sure in the heck do not.
Nobody can put a spin, make it disappear, say it isn't so, or try to wipe the slate clean on their lies......it can not be erased from the internet ever .....that they have to live with and their children also in time if they decide to research their family history....and being related to a royal family.......I am sure they will in time. Why don't they just shut up and live the Private Life they said they wanted?
ello, new here!
i'll say, i disagree with most of the takes here and leave it at that.
and that being said, i hope they're able to get back to the kids fairly quickly. If they keep in form with the extra week of mourning (?), i assume it'll be at back in Cali but it'll be good for them to get back home and then get themselves together for whatever work comes next.
Hello
@changemhysoul .
Megan looked great. She is very pretty .
Quote from: Nightowl on September 19, 2022, 02:24:37 AM
Thank you for that info, yet betrayal of a member of a family to others in that same family at times can not be forgiven as I well know. A family member betrayed my family and it hurt like hell and yet some forgave and I did not, just something in me that you *do not* betray family ever and that person later died of a natural cause, I live with that and have had therapy yet I can not forgive, and I have had the church, friends etc all talk about forgiveness and for me, forgiveness is highly over rated, so I don't and if someone doesn't forgive me, that okay. Harry really really blew his family to hell and back and what he did to make his grandparents suffer at the last years of their lives is *unforgivable* to me, that is cruel and mean spirited and hateful regardless of the time when issues were known in the family. You cherish, you love and do all you can in the last years of your grandparents life ever. Those memories of what Harry and Meghan did are *out there on the internet* forever and now they have to live with that. I would like to think HM was a forgiving lady yet I bet she was deeply hurt by her grandson and his wife the last couple of years. If anyone thinks that what H/M did was okay, fine that is on them for I sure in the heck do not.
Nobody can put a spin, make it disappear, say it isn't so, or try to wipe the slate clean on their lies......it can not be erased from the internet ever .....that they have to live with and their children also in time if they decide to research their family history....and being related to a royal family.......I am sure they will in time. Why don't they just shut up and live the Private Life they said they wanted?
RAIST RACISM RACIST RACIST RACISM RACIST.
Some lies, words, false accusations?betrayals ONE CANNOT COME BACK FROM NOR CAN the other be forgiven of.
Racist , racism accusations is one of them. QEs 70 year legacy, life?s work and King Charles and William and The BRF have been labeled racists by Meghan AND Henry.
No. You cannot spin, pr this away.
Ex. King Charles, if he does not give Archie Lillbet HRH, he will be called racist as Meghan and Henry set the tone in their Oprah interview.
Since then, last week or so, Omit, Meghsns longtime bestie and Sussex mouthpiece for Meg n Henry has already aimed shots fired at this. QE was not cold yet or in the ground.
KC should not give these American children who he will never know and wo will not even live in England, HRH.
For peace sake, title them, prince/ princess and keep it moving.
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on September 19, 2022, 08:38:56 PM
Hello @changemhysoul .
Megan looked great. She is very pretty .
She does. There are some call-backs but I guess that's for the other thread to go in depth about.
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on September 19, 2022, 08:48:17 PM
RAIST RACISM RACIST RACIST RACISM RACIST.
Some lies, words, false accusations?betrayals ONE CANNOT COME BACK FROM NOR CAN the other be forgiven of.
Racist , racism accusations is one of them. QEs 70 year legacy, life?s work and King Charles and William and The BRF have been labeled racists by Meghan AND Henry.
No. You cannot spin, pr this away.
Ex. King Charles, if he does not give Archie Lillbet HRH, he will be called racist as Meghan and Henry set the tone in their Oprah interview.
Since then, last week or so, Omit, Meghsns longtime bestie and Sussex mouthpiece for Meg n Henry has already aimed shots fired at this. QE was not cold yet or in the ground.
KC should not give these American children who he will never know and wo will not even live in England, HRH.
For peace sake, title them, prince/ princess and keep it moving.
As for this, Omid (isn't a mouth piece in my eyes and if he is, it's not different than Angela Levin, Richard Kay, Rebecca English, Robert Jobson who all have close connections/are considered go-to's for various members of the Royal Family) but he hasn't said anything about the Royals outside of standard reporting for the past two weeks and his most recent write up was a glowing review of Anne. He's never said anything nasty about the family (critical but not nasty) vs all of the nasty things said about Meghan and Harry (mainly Meghan) by royal reporters and news papers that the family are close too and this was before the Orpah interview. (Especially, Angela Levin who's doing a authorized biography on Queen Camilla) so, I don't get the fuss.
As for the comment about the skin color, it didn't really take Meghan or Harry saying that for people to form these views about the institution. In fact, it's not even that odd that for mix-raced couples to get those types of questions and since then, various things have come out about what said to Harry and Meghan about their kids hair/skin color from "sources"
Still, I don't expect many to share my view. My only real points are, Omid is no more Meghan's BFF than other royal reporters that the family run too and Omid hasn't said anything bad vs the nasty headlines that Harry & Meghan (and mainly Meghan even though she's been out of view and cancelled everything she had coming up) have gotten over the past two weeks from papers/reporters that the RF normally interact with. (And a reminder, the nasty headlines and think pieces were out about Meghan since her relationship with Harry became public so it just a reaction to the interview.)
You can call it out but a quick look at Omid's twitter and hasn't done much but report on what's be going on. No extra, no less + a glowing profile of The Princess Royal on Wednesday.
@changemhysoul I thought Meghan and Omid were besties but based on what I've seen, that doesn't seem to be the case. I think he is trying to break into the ranks of entertainment journalism with his new, more respectable gigs with GMA and ABC. I am unsure if he has close connections with the royals or if they consider him a go-to reporter when they have something to share.
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I haven?t posted in a long time- so hello.
I have always been clear about my feelings about Harry and Megan but I never thought I?d reevaluate my position. Coming from a family with a lot of discord- I understand the complex situation the couple face.
Personally, I think they are now faced with a choice: does Harry want to support his father the King and his brother the Prince of Wales. If so, does Megan want that.
I think the pomp and ceremony that has occurred and the olive branches extended leave them with a conundrum. I *think that there is a chance they might tone down the rhetoric. Harry said he wanted to support the Queen, while earning an income independent of the sovereign grant. Perhaps now they might realise that fleeting moments of headlines are worth less than being part of the most famous royal family in the world.
If I was PR for the couple, I?d say- go back. Leave Montecito and frame it as loyalty to his aging father. However- the choice is theirs. The book is written- will it be stopped from publication. I think that since the Queen died they may have realised what their missing- especially Harry. He is missing his family. He missed the last few years of the Queens life (in person). Does he want to continue being a random celebrity and will Megan now recognise the power and visibility that being in that family creates. Duty and public service versus Spotify and Netflix.
Time will tell.
Does Harry sing ?God Save the King?. That?s his father.
Harry does not want to go back and I dont think he'd be welcomed.
Apparently they are still in the UK because they want to broker a 'peace deal'.
IMO a peace deal has to do with moneys.
I don't think Charles or William want them back, they can't be trusted, the first micro problem, the couple bolt. The Foreign Office doesn't want them either.
I'm reading reports that that couple or at least one of the Sussexes returned to California. Which considering that they were unexpectedly detained in the UK, I can see why they would like to see their young children.
Gerts says they flew out last night
Gayle says they are brokering a peace deal
Other (s) both are at Balmoral brokering a peace deal (including top palace staffers/advisors for the King) ISource, a new account has pictures of Montecito with a string of white vans, claims the children aren't in Montecito. The cars belonging to the Sussexes are gone. A lot of claims, a load rather than a pinch of salt for now.
It's just far too long without the children, about to hit the 3 week mark.
Quote from: wannable on September 21, 2022, 12:56:53 PM
Gerts says they flew out last night
Gayle says they are brokering a peace deal
Other (s) both are at Balmoral brokering a peace deal (including top palace staffers/advisors for the King) ISource, a new account has pictures of Montecito with a string of white vans, claims the children aren't in Montecito. The cars belonging to the Sussexes are gone. A lot of claims, a load rather than a pinch of salt for now.
It's just far too long without the children, about to hit the 3 week mark.
Well, I doubt that the Sussexes have abandoned their children in spite of the curiosity of strangers who are snooping and taking pictures, expressing concerns as to the whereabouts of the couple. Harry and Meghan are devoted parents.
And Gayle King explicitly stated that she had no inside information about ?peace deals?, etc.
I believe that Harry and Meghan are in fact back in the US with their children. The couple are probably extremely glad imo to escape the constant sniping and criticism of them by the British media, which continued throughout the mourning period by the BRF, which included them.
The media is there to report, mostly their event, followed by moaning or scheming ways, which is their pattern.
Everything else is secondary reporting by 'section'. i.e. fashion, i.e. opinion.
Look, I don't think Harry and Meghan will be back.
Let's say, even if the book isn't all bad (and in my view, he isn't going to go in on them, I think it'd be funnier in a way to only mention the bare basic's and focus on his found family like Nacho and etc)
And the main thing's Harry would want, I don't think the family is willing to give. Let's remember, they didn't have problem doing the work or low level work or whatever. They didn't want to interact with the RR and the same media that's attacking them. The excuse was, because they used public funds, they HAD to interact with this media. They want to make their own money so they couldn't
(and it should be noted, it wasn't the whole of the British Media at the same time just The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express and The Mirror). They were told no. If they came back in anyway, would the Palace agree to that set up? I don't think so. We're not going to pretend that the RF don't have a relationship with tabloids, Harry bringing his family back into that, would mean interacting with that.
Two, be it because of "never complain, never explain", politics or whatever. Would the family actually defend Meghan from racist attacks and abusive press? No matter what people think, it was bad enough that 72 Female MP's and over a 100 journalist condemning the coverage and the abuse got worse after she announced her first pregnancy's with Archie. Harry is now in a place where he can fight back but not only that, the people around him, his friends, found family and etc ALSO stand up for his wife and aren't bound by rules. I also say this to say, if you're someone who doesn't care or think it's not that serious, think about it from Harry's side because it's serious to him so it'll be a factor and due to duty and rules, the RF can't speak on it. It's just not the best place for his family.
Everyone talks about what Harry needs to do and etc. Shut up, take whatever and etc but can the family do those two things, because if not. Then there's no point of them going back. I'm pretty sure outside of UK Charity events, H&M won't be back in any meaningful way with the family until Charles coronation....if they even go to that.
But most importantly, I'm happy that H&M are back with the kiddes. I'm sure they'll just want to spend some days holding their kids and being wrapped in that love and I'm eager for Archetypes to comeback, the next episode is Margaret Cho talking about the Dragon Lady, and I don't know when it's coming but Ziwe is funny and I don't know if Meghan would be able to keep up with her so....I love it even more.
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Quote from: Lady DC on September 21, 2022, 07:51:47 AM
I haven?t posted in a long time- so hello.
I have always been clear about my feelings about Harry and Megan but I never thought I?d reevaluate my position. Coming from a family with a lot of discord- I understand the complex situation the couple face.
Personally, I think they are now faced with a choice: does Harry want to support his father the King and his brother the Prince of Wales. If so, does Megan want that.
I think the pomp and ceremony that has occurred and the olive branches extended leave them with a conundrum. I *think that there is a chance they might tone down the rhetoric. Harry said he wanted to support the Queen, while earning an income independent of the sovereign grant. Perhaps now they might realise that fleeting moments of headlines are worth less than being part of the most famous royal family in the world.
If I was PR for the couple, I?d say- go back. Leave Montecito and frame it as loyalty to his aging father. However- the choice is theirs. The book is written- will it be stopped from publication. I think that since the Queen died they may have realised what their missing- especially Harry. He is missing his family. He missed the last few years of the Queens life (in person). Does he want to continue being a random celebrity and will Megan now recognise the power and visibility that being in that family creates. Duty and public service versus Spotify and Netflix.
Time will tell.
Does Harry sing ?God Save the King?. That?s his father.
Lady DC, Welcome back! Your thoughtful post resonated with me. I think what you say nicely captures the situation Harry and Meghan are facing. You sound fair and balanced in your assessment. I look forward to your future posts.
Quote from: Blue Clover on September 22, 2022, 02:28:51 AM
Lady DC, Welcome back! Your thoughtful post resonated with me. I think what you say nicely captures the situation Harry and Meghan are facing. You sound fair and balanced in your assessment. I look forward to your future posts.
You both sound reasonable and logical regarding the Meghan and Harry situation, as do many others (I just watched Palace Confidential, talking about it). But Harry and Meghan themselves are not reasonable and logical. They are short-fused, overly sensitive, and shoot from the hip. They want fairness and sensitivity from everyone else but they were not even fair and sensitive where the Queen and Prince Philip were concerned. All you have to do is flip through the posts to see that they bring drama and trouble and then expect others to apologize and make peace. They have power as they hold bombs over their father and brothers' heads, and to be honest my sense is that they are enjoying it. And the worst thing is they don't take even a modicum of responsibility for the issues they have caused. I don't even recognize this Harry. I feel so sorry for the family as they are between a rock and a hard place.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 22, 2022, 11:38:10 PM
You both sound reasonable and logical regarding the Meghan and Harry situation, as do many others (I just watched Palace Confidential, talking about it). But Harry and Meghan themselves are not reasonable and logical. They are short-fused, overly sensitive, and shoot from the hip. They want fairness and sensitivity from everyone else but they were not even fair and sensitive where the Queen and Prince Philip were concerned. All you have to do is flip through the posts to see that they bring drama and trouble and then expect others to apologize and make peace. They have power as they hold bombs over their father and brothers' heads, and to be honest my sense is that they are enjoying it. And the worst thing is they don't take even a modicum of responsibility for the issues they have caused. I don't even recognize this Harry. I feel so sorry for the family as they are between a rock and a hard place.
Your comment is the most honest and insightful comment here that I have read and yet there are some others that are very honest and insightful also. As we grew up, I would like to think we learn to take responsibility for our actions, decisions and choices in life and that we also learn to treat our family with the same respect that they have given us as children then adults.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 23, 2022, 12:38:43 AM
Your comment is the most honest and insightful comment here that I have read and yet there are some others that are very honest and insightful also. As we grew up, I would like to think we learn to take responsibility for our actions, decisions and choices in life and that we also learn to treat our family with the same respect that they have given us as children then adults.
Thank you. I guess you can see that I am only trying to be honest and not mean. I heard people today saying that the King should be extending an olive branch, and that is what prompted me to post the comment.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 23, 2022, 01:00:59 AM
Thank you. I guess you can see that I am only trying to be honest and not mean. I heard people today saying that the King should be extending an olive branch, and that is what prompted me to post the comment.
Thank you for your support, I also do not want to be mean, yet as I have been told many times in life, I am a hard as* person now, life's lessons have a way of teaching us to be strong and stand up for ourselves, specifically women. I really am disgusted with what they did, that Oprah interview will never go away as it is out there forever and to do that while Philip was in the hospital and then went home to die was so despicable and then to continue again and again with threats I know something and a book, then with HM slowly but surely on her last moments in life they did not go visit her in Balmoral.....NObody can ever erase what they did, there is NO way to put a positive spin on it for again it is out there on the internet for everyone to read and that is ON Harry and Meghan only. In my opinion, they not only bad mouthed the royal family, HM, Charles and William and the monarchy, that also included the entire country for after all who is the head of the monarchy, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II no less. That is *Betrayal* of the entire country...you just do NOT do that to one's country and the head of the country and family all because they did not get their own way in life.......good grief, these are not 3 year old children throwing a fit, these are so called Adults who know better......I had a hard time watching the funeral and all that went with it as I thought of my sister who passed away the end of April and how deeply she loved HM. I wish no ill on the Sussex's and that they have a great life and make tons of money in Ca and leave those alone elsewhere to do the job required of them in peace..will that happen, not holding my breath on that either...
Harry has never bad-mouthed Britain. Britain isn?t the monarchy and the monarchy isn?t Britain. If those who think it is melded together in some gigantic knot I suggest a visit to Wales, Scotland, the north of England (especially in the larger cities) for a fuller picture of how Britons view the monarch, as well as a chat to British people under 30 about the monarchy, and they might get a very different picture.
Harry also never publicly criticised the Queen or his grandfather Prince Philip. He was very fond of them and they of him. Philip had a talk with old friend Giles Brandreth in his last year and his friend reported back that Philip was philosophical about Harry and Meghan leaving, telling Giles ?that people have to do what they think best with their own lives.?
I would suggest also that 99% of what we get about the Sussexes in Britain and the commonwealth media is through the lens of journalists employed by London tabloids who ?bad-mouthed? Meghan from the beginning. The Press say now she was welcomed ?by the country?. Not by them she wasn?t. Unless headlines like ?Straight outa Compton? and ?exotic blood? are welcoming. When she took up royal duties after marriage she practically couldn?t move without tabloid criticism.
We don?t know that the royals, apart from the York princesses, were especially welcoming or kind to Meghan afterwards, either. She got so low that she felt suicidal. That was in fact verified by Valentine Low of the Times, a critic of hers, who in a throwaway remark stated that he had heard that Meghan was in ?a bad way? all that summer?.
After her baby was born the couple were left isolated, and there is very little evidence that, even before that, the royals were kindhearted, always dropping in kind of people. The Cambridges, and this was reported, never visited them when they were living in Oxfordshire.
People don?t separate themselves from their families for nothing. Meghan couldn?t stand the loneliness and isolation and fell apart. Harry was distressed and decided to support his wife and leave. It defies logic that the Sussexes were constantly being humiliated, isolated by the family and constantly attacked by the Press KP and the RF did nothing to defend them from, and would then not try and put their point of view across somehow.
What have Harry and Meghan done in the period of mourning that has just gone on? They have been humiliated and insulted, ?-no Balmoral plane, no uniform for the funeral in spite of two tours of duty in Afghanistan, invited then uninvited to BP, and seated on the second row at the funeral in spite of being the third couple in the land. And yet they sucked it all up and acted with grace and dignity all the time. Even some tabloid journalists expressed sympathy for Harry, and for them to say so is pretty unbelievable.
The West Australian (https://www.perthnow.com.au/opinion/prince-harry-didnt-deserve-to-be-humiliated-at-queens-funeral-by-the-royal-family-c-8321594) reporting what a journo from the Daily Fail said in sympathy for Harry.
From the above article
?Truly I did not expect to find myself feeling desperately sorry for Prince Harry.
Yet as the days of mourning for his beloved grandmother passed by, this young man appeared to suffer humiliation after humiliation.
Grief, shame and anger passed continuously across his face and I could only pity a man who still, to me, seems to be the child who followed his mother?s coffin in the full glare of public attention.
Harry was here to take a full part in mourning for the Queen, but I cannot understand why a father who declared his love so openly, and so dearly longed for reconciliation between his two sons, would have spent the days after the death of his mother exposing his second son to constant humiliation.
He has not had his status as a working royal taken away against his will, in the way his uncle Andrew has. He has not been closely involved with a convicted paedophile. He is merely a romantic lad who fell in love and allowed himself to be led by his wife. There?s no crime in that.
Clearly there were conventions that the ?men in suits? would want followed. No uniforms to be worn by non-working royals was the most obvious.
But Charles is King. Within royal protocol, he has all the power. He could have allowed Harry, like his brother William, to wear the uniform of the regiment for which he fought so proudly during two terms of military service in Afghanistan.
Harry served for 10 years in the British Army. His uniform was not gained as a gift from the Queen in recognition of non-active leadership of a particular regiment. It was earned through real bravery, real fighting.?
And yet we watched him burn with embarrassment as he was forced to grieve, on public show, with his medals pinned to a morning suit. He and his wife appeared to have been uninvited from a Buckingham Palace reception during the mourning period. The Prince of Wales and his wife had been there.
We watched the pain on his face as the procession passed the Cenotaph and, while his father and brother, in uniform, were allowed to salute, he was not. A mere nod of the head had to suffice for a young man who, alone of the three, has seen death and destruction on the battlefield.?
Just how many more lies do they have to tell yet everything is on the internet, married 3 days before the wedding of the century at a great expense and the archbishop had to come out and deny that comment by Meghan....so any spin on them is moot as everything is out there forever. Okay we can agree to disagree about the Sussex's, yet they broke the *trust* with the royal family and not everyone in Wales, Scotland and North Ireland is against the monarchy. HM was the head of the monarchy and represented the country and the commonwealth whether all the people agreed or not......just like where I live, some love Trump and kiss is feet and some dislike him 1,000%......I am of the later part. I expect all the fans of the Sussex's to come to their defense...and for me, this is NOT about color, it is about character and honesty and integrity all of which I do not see in either one of them.....Some day, way off in the future, their bubble will bust and as everything we do in life at one time or another catches up with us as I well know....oh Karma will work her magic when that bubble is gone. For now, let them mouth off all they want as across the pond they are working during the period of mourning no less....
That reception was for *Working members of the royal family* now why would the Sussex's be invited to it as they are NOT working members of the royal family? When working in a law firm as a certified paralegal I sure would not go to an event I was not a member of.....that is just common sense! William and Catherine had every right to be there...they actually *work* for the Firm as does the Kent's, the Gloucester's, the Wessex's. There are many members of the royal family that did not go either, the York's, the Zara and Mike and Peter etc.
I haven?t said below that everyone in Scotland, Wales and the North are against the monarchy. However, for decades the support for the monarchy has been highest in the Home Counties and fades and becomes patchy the further north you go and into Wales.
Nor have I said that it?s ?all about colour?. It was the London tabloids that disgracefully introduced that subject before Harry and Meghan?s engagement.
As for working during the mourning period, Anne, Edward and the Wales?s have all been out and about during that period, in fact over the last few days.
The Sussexes were invited then uninvited to the BP event. BP also did the same sort of thing to CPss Mary of Denmark. She was invited then uninvited to the Queen?s funeral.
Every time I turn around and read something about the Sussex's it 99%of the time is about color..and that makes me see red. We are all born the way our higher power wants us to be, I want to be 6 ft tall,not 5 ft tall, I want green eyes and got brown......for me it is about character of our inner soul that shines on us as individuals....I am a Christian and as my son always tells me when I have an issue with someone , *there is a book Mom that will help you to find an answer*.....it is called The Bible. I need to read my Bible more. I feel sorry for the Sussex's, they made a damn mess of their lives in wanting MONEY, that does not bring happiness, peace, joy or containment in life as I darn well know for sure (the ex got 99.99% of the money and has 3 houses and is still a miserable human being....LOL). As the saying goes, Money buys *things* not happiness as Deb would say.
Seems BP needs an overhaul in communications dept for they are messing things up big time with royals. I would be a bit peeved also if I was Mary or Harry.
I don?t think Meghan?s racial background is mentioned in the UK Press any more. It might be in the US media because of the history of
****people in the US. There seems to be a great deal of discussion about race there.
@Curryong ****This term is considered offensive in the United States, please do not use it here at RIF.
Yes, race is a huge issue in my country and getting worse by the hour is seems like. I think all big cities here have the same problems about race.....I as a white woman have had such horrible racial issues directed at me because I am white.....so in some ways I try to understand Meghan yet I think she uses that at times to make herself noticed or an issue noticed. One thing I noticed about Meghan and what I read is that she is called bio-racial and the black part of her is always front and center yet I ask....whatever happened to the white part of Meghan as she does not look black to me at all, just a normal pretty girl.
I want an island all to myself if the ex ever pays me the money he owes me...just lots of dogs and whatever 4 legged creature want to join me. Chicago at times I think is on the brink of a race war here, 2 years ago it was hell living here. As a single white woman you learn real quick to keep yourself safe while living in a city...real darn quick!
are you saying that a normal pretty girl (Meg is 40) can't be African American?
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 23, 2022, 09:10:23 AM
are you saying that a normal pretty girl (Meg is 40) can't be African American?
Please Do not put words into my mouth that I did not speak okay. Meghan regardless of her color or age or race looks like a pretty normal girl to me. Just like the thousands of pretty normal girls I see each day when walking down the street or running an errand. Age, color and race have NOTHING to do with my comment, period.
when you say that she does not look black to you, just a normal pretty girl, that seems to imply that a black woman would not be a normal pretty girl.
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 23, 2022, 09:49:53 AM
when you say that she does not look black to you, just a normal pretty girl, that seems to imply that a black woman would not be a normal pretty girl.
Please read my entire comment.........I do not look at anyone, male or female because of their color, be they black , white, red, yellow with pink polka dots and green strips, please understand that.
sorry -you're confusing me so I will gieve up.
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He did not receive the news of his grandmother's death as quickly as the rest of the immediate family. He was still in the air on his way to Balmoral, but he was told as soon as was possible, certainly before the news was made public.
His own fault, instead of fighting with Charles over the phone, he should have gotten on the chauffeured car to the RAF jet where W, A, E and S where waiting for him for 1 hour!
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Clearly there were conventions that the men in suits would want followed. No uniforms to be worn by non-working royals was the most obvious.
That's the rule, HMKCIII allowed his brother and son to wear uniform for the Vigil, Harry wasn't yet happy because he still wanted the Aide de Camp insignia.
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Why were they stuck on the row behind the King in the Abbey, out of the way and, in Meghan's case, in Windsor, hidden behind a huge candle?
Right!, the author, who would she take away from the front row? The only way to pick IS one of HMQEII ''children'' to replace with her 'grandson and wife'.
Right!, the author, who would she take away from the front row? The only way to pick IS one of HMQEII ''children'' to replace with her 'grandson and wife'. End Quote.
There weren?t just the children of HM on the front row at WA. Besides William, Kate and George and Charlotte and the Queen?s children there were on the front row Zara and Mike Tindall and Peter Phillips, none of whom were the Queen?s children. Anne?s children are in fact way behind Harry in the line of succession. Harry (and wife) rank third behind the King and Queen, and the Wales adults as the third couple in the land. So if the front row had to be replaced by the Sussexes then Anne?s children and Mike should have gone. They are non working royals after all.
As were the York sisters and their husbands, second row.
The only non eldest in the eldest front row was the Prince of Wales, William and his family.
Peter and Zara are eldest to Harry
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Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 01:23:00 PM
As were the York sisters and their husbands.
The York sisters aren?t the new monarch?s children, and again are way behind Harry in succession and precedence.
Yes, the excuse given by BP was that it went by age of the grandchildren, except that Sarah split up her children with her seat. However the public perception, and that was all over the Press and the Internet, was that the Sussexes were being snubbed. I was pleased to see that was righted at the Committal ceremony when the Sussexes were next to the Wales at St George?s.
The Westminster Abbey seating arrangement is minus The King, Queen Consort, PPOW's in order of birth with their spouses.
Then why, if you knew why the seating had been ordered that way, (by order of birth of grandchildren) the statement of yours that Harry and Meghan would have to replace two of the Queen?s children? I quoted you on it.
Right!, the author, who would she take away from the front row? The only way to pick IS one of HMQEII ''children'' to replace with her 'grandson and wife'. End Quote.
Because the Australian article link you placed, the author was moaning about Harry and Meghan's seating. IF she had studied the picture, she'd know what I've posted in the comments just now.
It was an article from the Daily Mail (Jenni Murray) which is as you know, an English publication. It was republished in Western Australia. If you knew why the seating arrangements were as they were, your quote doesn?t make sense. There were non working grandchildren on the front row yet you inferred that the author would ?have to pick two of the Queen?s children as replacements?.
There is 0 proof that Harry argued with his father and the media is projecting anger and sadness on Harry with that E.R thing. You know when else he didn't have it? On his wedding, I highly doubt Harry cared but the British Media need stories to sell and as always Harry (And Meghan) is the highest seller. They came to the UK, attended what they needed to and were largely out-of-sight after that. THAT'S why the media are making up this story because Harry and Meghan didn't give them anything to sink their teeth into and it's pretty clear Harry and Meghan aren't talking to palace staff so they don't have anything real to leak either.
(Because as much as people whine about Harry and Meghan talking, The Palace staff did it first, it's the RF bred and butter before Meghan came along and people need to accept this. It's telling, that the only time information about Harry and Meghan didn't leak, was when dealing with The Queen because the times they did visit her, she didn't even let her aids know it was happening, allowing them to slip in and out. And even then, because the media didn't know about and RR didn't get the scoop, they released endless stories with nasty takes.)
The question isn't "why did Harry argue with his father"
The actual question is, why when this story was reported two weeks ago, the the sources were quite HAPPY to go on about how Harry was snubbed and put in his place and etc. That's what scary about the media, in two weeks, they're already changing to the story from "Prince Charles snubbed Harry and put him his place." to "Prince Harry snubbed his father".
No, Prince Harry wanted his wife with him, his family said no. Fine. Charles and William had already left for Birkhall before Harry arrived at Balmoral. The only difference is two weeks later, someone realized that maybe, it wasn't the greatest look to happily run to the papers to tell people that you're happily snubbing your son when you should be focused on grieving. The put out that story, it backfired on them and now they want to change the narrative to it was Prince Harry's fault. Honestly, leave the man alone for this. He should up, did what he had to do and then left. The Sun originally released the story and now The Sun is trying to change the story and Page Six already posted a rebuttal, which was the original story that The Sun posted, Charles was already gone by the time Harry arrived. And Harry just like load's of the other kids got there after The Queen had already passed but that isn't a juicy enough story and we need to release as many articles putting Harry in his place and telling him he doesn't matter as much as we can.
Quote from: Curryong on September 23, 2022, 05:40:55 AM
We don?t know that the royals, apart from the York princesses, were especially welcoming or kind to Meghan afterwards, either. She got so low that she felt suicidal. That was in fact verified by Valentine Low of the Times, a critic of hers, who in a throwaway remark stated that he had heard that Meghan was in ?a bad way? all that summer?.
This is the part I want to highlight and why I don't care if Harry and Meghan went on Orpah or if Harry releases a book or whatever. This is also the reason why I don't care for the poor 'woe as me' briefing from anyone in or related to the palace or anything. They get mad at Harry and Meghan for leaking, the staff is running to the press about how they can't trust the Sussex's...while speaking out both sides of their mouth because someone thought that, instead of helping Meghan with she came to them with her thoughts of feeling suicidal, she couldn't get help but they were able to run to a reporter and brief the press about her mental health.
There is all of this talk of the firm and the family can't trust Harry and Meghan, when they don't seem to realize that Harry and Meghan stopped trusting them first.
And I'm not saying you agree with me but that point with Valentine Low, that's one big reason why I'll believe the whole "never complain, never explain" and they don't talk to the press or leak.
She could be from Chunga Changa, she didn't do her homework.
He didn't have EIIR insignia at his wedding because he wasn't yet an Aide de Camp.
He was made an Aide de Camp October 2018.
The Aide de Camp can only be worn when being an active ''assistant'' to His/Her Majesty.
The palace was first to report on Meghan via an official announcement said by Jason to the court that Harry requested him to stop the harrasment of Meghan in Toronto, the paparazzi. No one knew he was seriously dating her or worst, no one knew about her. The Police in Toronto went multiple times to her home, there was no one in the premises.
The story was iniciated by Harry and Meghan's PR team, announcing to the media that she was going, they are on their way, to then not going, the timing of the announcements is timelined by minutes and hours in the Sun story, they broke it, the DM purchased the copyrights to copy/paste. The Sussex PR team sent the notice only to Press Associated who then distributed to the media world. Why would a RAF Jet wait for 1 hour?
Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 01:41:47 PM
She could be from Chunga Changa, she didn't do her homework.
She is British and writes for the DM. And as for not doing her homework, she is like 99.9% of the British Press, commentators, ?royal experts? etc then!
Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 01:43:42 PM
He didn't have EIIR insignia at his wedding because he wasn't yet an Aide de Camp.
He was made an Aide de Camp October 2018.
The Aide de Camp can only be worn when being an active ''assistant'' to His/Her Majesty.
The palace was first to report on Meghan via an official announcement said by Jason to the court that Harry requested him to stop the harrasment of Meghan in Toronto, the paparazzi. No one knew he was seriously dating her or worst, no one knew about her. The Police in Toronto went multiple times to her home, there was no one in the premises.
The story was iniciated by Harry and Meghan's PR team, announcing to the media that she was going, they are on their way, to then not going, the timing of the announcements is timelined by minutes and hours in the Sun story, they broke it, the DM purchased the copyrights to copy/paste. The Sussex PR team sent the notice only to Press Associated who then distributed to the media world. Why would a RAF Jet wait for 1 hour?
Big fail on the author's shoulders. Proof in the picture, quite easy.
The palace was first to report on Meghan via an official announcement said by Jason to the court that Harry requested him to stop the harrasment of Meghan in Toronto, the paparazzi. No one knew he was seriously dating her or worst, no one knew about her. The Police in Toronto went multiple times to her home, there was no one in the premises. Quote Wannabie.
That is incorrect. Camilla Tominey broke the news of Meghan and Harry dating in October 2016 in the Express, for which she was writing at the time. That was before Harry?s statement.
Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 01:43:42 PM
He didn't have EIIR insignia at his wedding because he wasn't yet an Aide de Camp.
He was made an Aide de Camp October 2018.
The Aide de Camp can only be worn when being an active ''assistant'' to His/Her Majesty.
The palace was first to report on Meghan via an official announcement said by Jason to the court that Harry requested him to stop the harrasment of Meghan in Toronto, the paparazzi. No one knew he was seriously dating her or worst, no one knew about her. The Police in Toronto went multiple times to her home, there was no one in the premises.
The story was initiated by Harry and Meghan's PR team, announcing to the media that she was going, they are on their way, to then not going, the timing of the announcements is timelined by minutes and hours in the Sun story, they broke it, the DM purchased the copyrights to copy/paste. Why would a RAF Jet wait for 1 hour?
1. Which furthers my point, it isn't that big of deal to him, he lived most of his life without and not taking that doesn't take away from his life of service or two tours that he did. It does make for a good headline when you went people to click on an article or pick up and paper and creates fake out-rage.
2. We both know now I meant leaks and reporting, which palace aids -if I'm nice and just stick to them- started. I'm pretty sure someone going to the press about her mental health came before the Oprah interview. Which ties into my point of, I don't care about Harry and Meghan releasing what or going on whatever or trusting whatever because it's clear, it was already done to them and THEY have no trust in the family or the firm.
3. It doesn't matter if they announced they were going. We're talking about the fact that whoever was gleefully happy to run to the press about they were happy to snub Harry and put him in his place and now after two weeks, they want to change the narrative to Prince Harry was the one to snub. Announcing you're going somewhere isn't releasing a full blown story about that shows the world how happy to you run and talk about this and it backfired, so now, they want to backtrack and pin it on him. They already drummed up the hate so they could let it go as he's now back home with his family, instead, they want to make it look like Harry snubbed his father after two weeks of boasting about Harry was snubbed.
In reply to changemhysoul in Ref to the Palace started it. Jason's KP announcement dated Nov 8 2016.
Camilla Tominey nominated for journalistic award in 2016 for breaking the story of Harry and Meghan?s romance.
Her exclusive story breaking the news of Prince Harry?s relationship with Meghan Markle was nominated for Scoop of the Year at the 2016 British Press Awards.
Camilla Tominey (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/c/ca-ce/camilla-tominey/)
Prince Harry's alleged Meghan Markle romance gets big newspaper attention | Roy Greenslade | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/nov/01/prince-harrys-alleged-romance-gets-big-newspaper-attention). Note the date of this article Nov 1st 2016 and features the Express cover of the week before.
Harry statement November 2016 after Camilla.
I gather the Sussexes were angry with opinion pieces (the couple's moaning are tied to opinion pieces), which is secondary to primary court circular reportings or Duchy of Cornwall breaking down of expenses and that sort.
She discards people, Harry never discarded until when? The Red Flag of their character can't be hidden with a thumb to the sun. It's too bright to see.
Gotcha.
Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 02:05:10 PM
I gather the Sussexes were angry with opinion pieces (the couple's moaning are tied to opinion pieces), which is secondary to primary court circular reportings or Duchy of Cornwall breaking down of expenses and that sort.
She discards people, Harry never discarded until when? The Red Flag of their character can't be hidden with a thumb to the sun. It's too bright to see.
Well, that?s your opinion piece, lol! There were a load of critical, rude and insulting articles from tabloid journalists that weren?t opinion pieces. And, unlike William and Kate until a fortnight ago, they haven?t been getting Duchy of Cornwall money for many months.
Quote from: Curryong on September 23, 2022, 02:00:10 PM
Camilla Tominey nominated for journalistic award in 2016 for breaking the story of Harry and Meghan?s romance.
Her exclusive story breaking the news of Prince Harry?s relationship with Meghan Markle was nominated for Scoop of the Year at the 2016 British Press Awards.
Camilla Tominey (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/c/ca-ce/camilla-tominey/)
Prince Harry's alleged Meghan Markle romance gets big newspaper attention | Roy Greenslade | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/nov/01/prince-harrys-alleged-romance-gets-big-newspaper-attention). Note the date of this article Nov 1st 2016 and features the Express cover of the week before.
Harry statement November 2016 after Camilla.
True. Their readership is 2.3M. A palace announcement is free distributed worldwide, huge difference.
Quote from: Curryong on September 23, 2022, 02:10:47 PM
Well, that?s your opinion piece, lol! There were a load of critical, rude and insulting articles from tabloid journalists that weren?t opinion pieces. And, unlike William and Kate until a fortnight ago, they haven?t been getting Duchy of Cornwall money for many months.
She's not cut to be a public figure IMO. Too sensitive to criticism.
Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 02:12:44 PM
True. Their readership is 2.3M. A palace announcement is free distributed worldwide, huge difference.
As we have seen with other royal stories other tabloid newspapers then start reprinting the story, with their own touches, followed by the US press and media and then newspapers and media overseas. All over the world in fact. Not everyone reads Palace announcements.
Too much drama, everything they do has to be drama.
I don't know if the Media is faultier than the horses mouth and actions, which directly gets a hit - that their Archewell Foundation reported to the USA IRS of 50K only in 1 year. That's a reflection of moneys entered by themselves or big pocket people donating for charity tax purposes.
'No doubt there will no HRH' bestowed upon Harry and Meghan's children - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVl1luxG0d8)
Former speaker of the house Bronwyn Bishop says there is ?no doubt there will be no HRH for Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's children, Archie and Lilibet given by King Charles III.
The question is whether or not the titles of prince and princess are bestowed, as is in his gift to do, she told Sky News host Gary Hardgrave.
With Meghan and Harry, I'm afraid it takes two to tango, he made a choice to leave his family, that was his choice.
Ms Bishop said if there was some really good will coming from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry's book would not be published.
And the vitriol we hear in some of the podcasts wouldn't be heard, she said.
*****
What do you all think about this opinion piece?
I know Bronwen Bishop and her longtime reputation as a very conservative member of the Coalition and imo she?s almost as full of hot air as Angela Levin.
What do I think about it? About as much as I think about Levin?s, Wootton and Morgans?s opinions. None of them, especially Bishop, have any sound inside information about things royal other than gossip as far as the so-called journalists in that group are concerned.
?No stranger to controversy? Indeed.
iview (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-02/bronwyn-bishop-no-stranger-to-controversy/6656752)
Seeing as Archewell hadn't been set up for even a year at that point, it's not that shocking that they hadn't made much.
And it's not not shocking that it would be used as something to try and put them done. It doesn't really matter though, as long as they set up for themselves a stable foundation, it doesn't matter how they take. It matters that it's there's and based on the projects they had + plus what they've already done, Archewell is doing fine for a company started in the middle of a pandemic as they were getting their things in order.
As for the piece,
I don't care if they don't get an HRH, I highly doubt they care too much. For security yes (and that part I agree, seeing as some people in the UK feel as Archie is an admonition that needed to be put down and even the MET Police sharing nasty, racist text message's which included Meghan and another black man that was killed.) They should become Prince and Princess, as their birthright as Charles became Queen and he's going to use his grandkids as leverage over the book, imo, he should go ahead and do that. It say's more about him than anything. He has beef with his the parents so he takes it out on the grandkids, that'll go over well.
As long as the palace, firm, friends and etc continue to leak. I don't see why Harry has to stop his book, other people make money from writing about his life, why can't he? Angela is currently writing a book, backed by Camilla that has nasty stuff said about Harry and Meghan even though they haven't said ANYTHING about her so...that good-will part gets shrug from me.
And like I said, I think and I'd find it funnier for his family to be a foot-note among other stories. The our-rage will turn from "Prince Harry talked about his family" to "How dare he NOT mention his family."
And Meghan hasn't had any vitriol in her podcast, which leads me to believe she hasn't actually listened to it. Honestly, while it made reference to Royal Life, she didn't say anything about the family at all. And what she did say, certainly wasn't vitriol.
Quote from: Curryong on September 23, 2022, 02:44:25 PM
I know Bronwen Bishop and her longtime reputation as a very conservative member of the Coalition and imo she?s almost as full of hot air as Angela Levin.
What do I think about it? About as much as I think about Levin?s, Wootton and Morgans?s opinions. None of them, especially Bishop, have any sound inside information about things royal other than gossip as far as the so-called journalists in that group are concerned.
?No stranger to controversy? Indeed.
iview (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-02/bronwyn-bishop-no-stranger-to-controversy/6656752)
Is she a reflection of the Conservative partisans in Australia?
^^I also don't mind if Harry publishes his book. I prefer horses mouth rather than PR leaks.
It's when they get criticized and they can't take is a problem for themselves rather than the public.
Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 02:59:05 PM
Is she a reflection of the Conservative partisans in Australia?
Like politicians everywhere she didn?t mind poking her nose deep in the proverbial gravy train as per expenses. That?s not just on the Coalition side of politics, however Bronwen did have the unfortunate habit also of being dropped from Ministries she had only recently been installed in due to some extraordinary blunders. She was associated with Tony Abbott who was PM for a short time and had the same foot in mouth condition. Anyway, this isn?t the correct thread for Bishop and Co.
The family problems are very deep. Would Harry and Meghan now consider not doing anything whatsoever with the British Royal Family in the future?
You mean not attend the Coronation, I suppose? We don?t know what the future holds for anyone. It may be that they won?t, it could be that the relationship will improve between all of them in the next few months. BOTH sides have to be prepared to give and hold out olive branches, IMO, not just one, and no-one should be feeding pet journalists titbits showing themselves in a glowing light and claiming the high ground.
Fair enough, we're just divided on the thing's being lobbied at them as just simple criticism and out not threats, attacks and the like and we don't have to get into it because I don't think we'll ever agree on that.
I do agree on the coming from the horses mouth.
And not considering anything, I think that's mostly true. They might be back for some family events like weddings or big thing's but largely not. Sure, they'll be in the UK (I already wonder if Harry is working something out for WellChild later this year or early next year) but around the family no. Which is fine, it's been pushed that he's 6th and not important so I don't think their will be issue's with that.
^ To the point, I'm about 50/50 on the Coronation. A part of me say's yes, if he's invited and a part of me say's no, if he's not invited. Either way, it'll be drama around that time and if it's next year, depending on well, it could clash with Invictus. (I have to check the dates)
I mean any contact, events, special or not special with the BRF. I'm stating the question because of what I've read from the majority of the couple's fans in social media. They are very angry with the BRF and basically their (fan majority) wish is for the couple to have nothing to do with the family ever.
Anyway, thanks for the opinions. I'm divided in thought about attending or not, at least the special events, tied to horses mouth. Like when everything is spilled out, including the petty, snub, crap the BRF allegedly did to the couple and are continuously doing (like the micro details the fans point out and defend whenever Harry and Meghan spoke out, interviewed), what else is there left? If they go, the fans don't want to see Harry and Meghan suffer, all concessions must be met. That is placing the BRF in a situation too? Thoughts?
BTW, Neil Sean claims that BP issued to Harry and Meghan invitations to attend both funerals for the Queen to Doria and Thomas. So the Middleton's weren't exclusively.
Meghan sent a note (RSVP) politely declining. There is a difference here, BP sent the invitations to Michael an Carole directly, whilst to not give a pleasant or unpleasant surprise to Meghan, the invitations of Doria and Thomas were sent to her at Frogmore. They also did have dinner at BP Saturday evening with all of Charles brothers, sister, children, the spouses. It was a big group.
Yeah, most fans don't want to see them around.
There are some (mainly on tumblr, funny enough) that want to see them back at some events and in some cases, they want them to fully comeback or agree to a half in/half out.
I've already made my thoughts about this clear in some cases but for me, I've made peace with whatever they do. I'll say as far as fans, it's a little idealistic to expect them not to go back for some events. I'm not saying all but some. If they go, I'll support and if they don't go, I'll support. I have deeper thoughts on this (aspect's that I feel like fans ignore/want to pretend aren't there) so, if you'd like to know I could message you about it as it's not for this.
But yeah, it's really one those of thing's that we'll have to wait and see about.
Guys. This is a divisive topic and people have some strong opinions. ( which is fabulous!) Please, please kept it respectful, don?t attack others, don?t be dismissive of others opinions. Keep the focus on the topic not each other?s opinions. Example: You are crazy to have that opinion. Bad :thumbsdown: Instead: I don?t agree and this is why. :flower3: Thank you
^^Thank you, but I think I know/read the roughly dozen with large followers that pretend aren't there. It's their own choice and freedom of speech or paid PR, whatever speculation from the ''other'' camp/basically the PPOW's camp. It really has no bearing to ''me'' in particular. I said the other day, that there are some crazed fans in both camps that have entered the twilight zone, real fruit and nuts. Scary people.
Macro thanks, the later part of the discussion has to do basically with social media; twitter, tumblr people in general with no names attached.
Yep. I know. We have been developing a much nicer place here lately. We want it to be a safe place to chat, disagree, debate. We don?t want it to go back to that scary place that happened a few years ago :consoling1: :pillowfight: :high5:
:hug?: :flower: :shake:
:pillowfight: (I love the pillow fights though, feathers!!!) :laugh:
:gotchya:
archive.ph (https://archive.ph/DyX3B)
Makes for a tough read.
Thanks. I was trying to read that but it was behind a paywall
It's an edited version, I think I will purchase the book ''Courtiers'', it's not only about that household or the new household they had around August 2019 before leaving for good Dec. 2019. It must be very hard to start a new job and 8 months later...official Exit March 2020 with a think about it period of one year deal from Queen to the Sussexes, the 1 year reply was a Oprah Interview. :laugh:
Latham was rehired by the Queen, last time I saw a picture of her was at the Jubilee
Fiona was hired by the Foreign & Commonwealth office
Those were the top 2 staffers hired August 2019, 2 others were rehired by the then Cambridges. The remainder were fired.
I've read it, no new information.
Maybe more will be released in another excerpt.
No named staff (ers) will be ID'd by Harry and Meghan with those detailed quotes. And the whatever he wrote about other households will be ID'd too by Charles, Camilla, William and Kate.
It's like the book The Help, middleclass white ladies ID'd themselves treating their maids badly when the purchased the book. (The Film won accolades, the Oscar!)
Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2022, 01:23:00 PM
As were the York sisters and their husbands, second row.
The only non eldest in the eldest front row was the Prince of Wales, William and his family.
Peter and Zara are eldest to Harry
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Question: why is there even an issue over this seating now? Who cares about seating, is it more important then being at the funeral as that is what was taking place. Harry and Meghan are not working members of the Firm/Royal Family anymore. That is on THEM, they were not kicked out, they ran away in a dreadful manner no less. Just being there to say goodby should be enough for Harry, what he does with *his life* is on HIM, not HM and anyone else.
Lol, I honestly forgot this was something that was talked about but I assume it was brought up by some writer.
I don't really doubt Harry cared, front row, second row, we're all watching the same thing.
But I guess, him not caring doesn't mean other people won't.
Some care because they think it's not right.
Some care because they think it's a wonderful snub.
Some don't care at all.
I only responded as I was reading the thread way up front and everything else happened in between.
I only see Harry as a very angry bitter young man not getting his way on things that he wants. Question: Has anyone ever said NO to Harry while living within the royal family? I only ask that because of the expressions I see on his face *all* the time. Maybe his exceptions of life while in the royal family have carried over to his present day life because I wonder if as a child or young teen he was always given everything he wanted and that can have an affect on his growing to adulthood. I am sure there are many families out there that have a member who wants, demands and feels entitled to whatever they want in life regardless of whether they deserve it or not.
I only wish Harry and Meghan to have a very peaceful and quiet life raising their beautiful children and that they make tons of money in Hollywood doing so. And please let the family across the pond alone. All this drama and hate is not good for the soul or a marriage.
Fair thoughts, I guess I can only say.
I don't agree with most of your points for various reasons but I accept your view.
I do believe the family across the pond is just as involved with the drama also do to various things that happened before the split.
And Harry and Meghan aren't anywhere near Hollywood even though people keep saying this, Meghan wasn't even in Hollywood before she met Harry. She was apart of the tabloid drama life like she was until The British tabloid's sunk their claws into her. But yeah, just the Hollywood thing is...funny to me because they're no where near Hollywood and haven't even done anything with Hollywood even though people keep saying this.
If you'd like more information for my first two points, message me. I don't feel the need to drag it out here but I can understand where you're coming from.
Oprah, Ellen, Melissa McCarthy, Gayle King are considered Hollywood stars, the first one won an Oscar.
Oscar nominations come nowadays from Streaming Platforms: HBOMAX (Warner Bros and Discovery will be united in 2025 with this giant usually with 25 plus nominations), Amazon Prime, Netflix, Sony, Fox, Disney (all the Star Wars, Marvel, History Channel included in the streaming platform, Elephant voiced by Meghan is in the Disney platform) and the likes. When one checks since 3 years ago the nominees, it comes from streaming platforms rather than in the past from any film producer that sold to whomever they wished to. Nowadays these film producers belong to a streaming platform. i.e. Mission Impossible I, II, III, IV, V etc belong to Fox. So if Tom Cruise is nominated, that is 1 for Fox too. Lighting Director for MI, that is 2 for Fox too. Just clearing the past TV to Streaming Platforms, smart tv's, and how accolades work in Hollywood to date.
Leaving the men for last :D Tyler Perry is Hollywood! George Clooney lately (or lastly) said he didn't know them, went to the wedding because he hadn't been before to a Royal Wedding.
Fair enough,
To me Hollywood is actively being apart of the lifestyle and scene. A voice-over on an animal documentary and knowing people who really work in the scene. They live in Montecito, which is quiet. They don't go to industry parties, as much as it was thought, they're not attending the Oscar's or awards shows or parties. They went to the NAACP awards but I wouldn't put that in the same light as most Hollywood events. By all accounts, unless they have some event people said they're lowkey and they aren't seen much. To me, it's a very specific lifestyle as well. As well as being an actual place.
What is the lifestyle detail?
Celebrity parties (circuit of every weekend) are out dated. Thanks to the Pandemic, these people in Hollyweird have pandemic ways (positive changes, healthier lifestyles due to the lockdowns) when the pandemic is over. Taken over by 'milestones' or weddings, which for them it's not even frequent anymore. I remember before every bday year was celebrated, every halloween hollyweird party, every thanksgiving do, every whatever excuse was done, now it's like every 5/10 year milestone.
I don't know how E! Entertainment will survive.
Just what you stated and those thing's are still happening, thing's are starting to open up. It's just more of the same and while people were restricted for a while, it didn't suddenly grind to halt. People just had to get better at hiding it.
As for E! News, I think they'll manage to survive. I don't know the numbers but everyone loves a little gossip and a interview here or there. :D
Er. Guys? Back to the Sussexes, please. Mercy Buckets. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Nightowl on September 23, 2022, 09:43:51 PM
I only responded as I was reading the thread way up front and everything else happened in between.
I only see Harry as a very angry bitter young man not getting his way on things that he wants. Question: Has anyone ever said NO to Harry while living within the royal family? I only ask that because of the expressions I see on his face *all* the time. Maybe his exceptions of life while in the royal family have carried over to his present day life because I wonder if as a child or young teen he was always given everything he wanted and that can have an affect on his growing to adulthood. I am sure there are many families out there that have a member who wants, demands and feels entitled to whatever they want in life regardless of whether they deserve it or not.
I only wish Harry and Meghan to have a very peaceful and quiet life raising their beautiful children and that they make tons of money in Hollywood doing so. And please let the family across the pond alone. All this drama and hate is not good for the soul or a marriage.
Harry certainly wasn?t given special treatment at his prep boarding school nor at Eton. After the dreadful Nazi uniform thing he was punished by being sent to a pig farm to work. A photo of him looking extremely muddy doing work on the farm appeared on the front page of a tabloid shortly after. When there was a drug scandal marijuana) that broke out at the local pub near Highgrove it was Guy Pelly and 16 year old Harry who were fingered as being joint ringleaders for that, even though it was William?s circle of friends who gathered there.
After his mother?s death there were several instances of Harry, then in his early teens, being left at Highgrove to his own devices on holidays while his father worked solidly and spent much spare time with Camilla. So Yes, there were many times when Harry needed his dad and his dad wasn?t there and said No.
The Press painted a picture of the wild partying spare teen Harry versus the serious responsible Prince William. Both William and Harry and various girlfriends attended parties in which everyone was drunk but few stories came out about Will in comparison to Harry. (It was the same sort of thing that the Press of the time painted about Margaret and Elizabeth, but Elizabeth was immersed in domesticity from her early 20s, William wasn?t.)
Same thing happened when Harry and Chelsy went clubbing. So did William and Kate. Few photos appeared of a William and Kate in comparison to Harry and Chelsy, though both couples partied and partied hard at various London clubs.
Later, when the Princes began public duties there is little evidence that Harry thoroughly enjoyed being tacked on as a third wheel to William and Kate in many engagements rather than doing his own thing, but Harry was populat then and the Palace and staff at KP thought it was a great idea. So did the Press who enjoyed building a narrative of lonely Party Prince versus quiet responsible couple.
So yes Harry was treated differently to his brother throughout his teens and early 20s and in many cases not so well. Through all that time it?s notable that he started Sentebale in Africa, did military training, went to Afghanistan, trained on a long course to fly military helicopters and did other charity work, including in Africa. So his life wasn?t all parties and fun.
Harry did not snub dinner with Charles at Balmoral, because of the quarrel over Meghan accompanying him there or for any other reason in spite of The Sun?s original report that he did so, reports that have since been repeated by dozens of other media outlets all over the world. The reason being that Charles and William had already departed for Birkhall to eat there by the time Harry arrived.
Prince Harry did not snub King Charles III over alleged Meghan ban (https://pagesix.com/2022/09/22/prince-harry-did-not-snub-king-charles-iii-over-alleged-meghan-ban/)
Busy fighting with Charles whilst the Queen was in her deathbed. Day 1 word Go, he thinks in me myself and I.
I feel for William Andrew Edward and Sophie, they should have jetted off at the scheduled 1:30 pm.
Harry is very problematic.
Quote from: Curryong on September 24, 2022, 03:14:30 AM
Harry certainly wasn?t given special treatment at his prep boarding school nor at Eton. After the dreadful Nazi uniform thing he was punished by being sent to a pig farm to work. A photo of him looking extremely muddy doing work on the farm appeared on the front page of a tabloid shortly after. When there was a drug scandal marijuana) that broke out at the local pub near Highgrove it was Guy Pelly and 16 year old Harry who were fingered as being joint ringleaders for that, even though it was William?s circle of friends who gathered there.
After his mother?s death there were several instances of Harry, then in his early teens, being left at Highgrove to his own devices on holidays while his father worked solidly and spent much spare time with Camilla. So Yes, there were many times when Harry needed his dad and his dad wasn?t there and said No.
The Press painted a picture of the wild partying spare teen Harry versus the serious responsible Prince William. Both William and Harry and various girlfriends attended parties in which everyone was drunk but few stories came out about Will in comparison to Harry. (It was the same sort of thing that the Press of the time painted about Margaret and Elizabeth, but Elizabeth was immersed in domesticity from her early 20s, William wasn?t.)
Same thing happened when Harry and Chelsy went clubbing. So did William and Kate. Few photos appeared of a William and Kate in comparison to Harry and Chelsy, though both couples partied and partied hard at various London clubs.
Later, when the Princes began public duties there is little evidence that Harry thoroughly enjoyed being tacked on as a third wheel to William and Kate in many engagements rather than doing his own thing, but Harry was populat then and the Palace and staff at KP thought it was a great idea. So did the Press who enjoyed building a narrative of lonely Party Prince versus quiet responsible couple.
So yes Harry was treated differently to his brother throughout his teens and early 20s and in many cases not so well. Through all that time it?s notable that he started Sentebale in Africa, did military training, went to Afghanistan, trained on a long course to fly military helicopters and did other charity work, including in Africa. So his life wasn?t all parties and fun.
Harry went to the extreme with alcohol and drugs. Source Prince Harry Apple TV
Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2022, 04:07:57 AM
Harry went to the extreme with alcohol and drugs. Source Prince Harry Apple TV
Harry has not denied he drank heavily at times in his younger days. He certainly wasn?t a drug addict however. He wouldn?t have been allowed inside a military vehicle if he had been drinking or drugging. And there was never any sign of Harry being drunk or under the influence of drugs at any of his royal engagements. And what of his brother? Are we to believe that William sat around as a teenager and young man while all his friends were smoking and drinking, waving away the drinks and weed?
I will not say his brother, he has not spoken about it. It would be defamatory.
Harry was on light and heavy drugs. Source Prince Harry Apple TV
Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2022, 04:01:59 AM
Busy fighting with Charles whilst the Queen was in her deathbed. Day 1 word Go, he thinks in me myself and I.
I feel for William Andrew Edward and Sophie, they should have jetted off at the scheduled 1:30 pm.
Harry is very problematic.
There are several members of the royal family who are problematic, including a couple who conducted an adulterous affair for years that could well have caused a constitutional crisis. And Charles was also arguing while his own mother was dying, that is, if we believe tabloid accounts of the incident. And there has been no official confirmation of the delay of that plane.
Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2022, 04:34:29 AM
I will not say his brother, he has not spoken about it. It would be defamatory.
Harry was on light and heavy drugs. Source Prince Harry Apple TV
My former post on the subject stands. Please do not infer that Harry was a heroin addict or anything of that sort.
Prince Harry says he used drink and drugs to numb pain of Diana's death - CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/21/world/prince-harry-oprah-drinking-scli-intl-gbr/index.html)
And binge drinking is extremely common among young British people. Harry wasn?t doing anything thousands of his contemporaries aren?t doing every night of the week and especially at weekends and on holidays.
Quote from: changemhysoul on September 23, 2022, 09:53:19 PM
Fair thoughts, I guess I can only say.
I don't agree with most of your points for various reasons but I accept your view.
I do believe the family across the pond is just as involved with the drama also do to various things that happened before the split.
And Harry and Meghan aren't anywhere near Hollywood even though people keep saying this, Meghan wasn't even in Hollywood before she met Harry. She was apart of the tabloid drama life like she was until The British tabloid's sunk their claws into her. But yeah, just the Hollywood thing is...funny to me because they're no where near Hollywood and haven't even done anything with Hollywood even though people keep saying this.
If you'd like more information for my first two points, message me. I don't feel the need to drag it out here but I can understand where you're coming from.
The reason I mentioned Hollywood is that the fact Meghan grew in Hollywood on a TV set with her dad as that is what is reported and where she lives, well her neighbors like Oprah are members of Hollywood no less. And not all her neighbors are Hollywood either. A person does not have to work or live in Hollywood to be associated with Hollywood at all. Netflix is very well associate with movies and TV and then entire entertainment industry. And Harry and Meghan have made millions from Netflix.
So exactly what is Harry's problems with the royal family, he shouts his rage and anger and they remain quiet. He is not getting their attention that way for darn sure.
Quote from: Curryong on September 24, 2022, 04:41:19 AM
My former post on the subject stands. Please do not infer that Harry was a heroin addict or anything of that sort.
Prince Harry says he used drink and drugs to numb pain of Diana's death - CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/21/world/prince-harry-oprah-drinking-scli-intl-gbr/index.html)
And binge drinking is extremely common among young British people. Harry wasn?t doing anything thousands of his contemporaries aren?t doing every night of the week and especially at weekends and on holidays.
I didn't infer a specific. I was very careful in stating light and hard. Source Prince Harry Apple TV
Quote from: Nightowl on September 24, 2022, 06:19:54 AM
The reason I mentioned Hollywood is that the fact Meghan grew in Hollywood on a TV set with her dad as that is what is reported and where she lives, well her neighbors like Oprah are members of Hollywood no less. And not all her neighbors are Hollywood either. A person does not have to work or live in Hollywood to be associated with Hollywood at all. Netflix is very well associate with movies and TV and then entire entertainment industry. And Harry and Meghan have made millions from Netflix.
So exactly what is Harry's problems with the royal family, he shouts his rage and anger and they remain quiet. He is not getting their attention that way for darn sure.
Fair point, like I said, my view of Hollywood and what a Hollywood life is different from you but again, I understand where you're coming from.
He's explained what his issue is already and I agree. I don't agree they remain quiet, they've never remained quiet. Just this last 10 days, we got them fully briefing about he they had happily snubbed him when it came to going to see The Queen and now, they're trying to spin the story into Harry snubbed the family because it wasn't a good look. Royal Family speaks when they want to speak and if they don't want to show themselves speaking they use their favorite journalist/outlets/reporters. If you don't agree with me that's fine but it'd be no point in going back and forth on that point.
I'd also like to say, he's spoken about his family in depth, twice. Once on Oprah and The Me You Can't See. He did talk about being in the Royal Family on The Armchair Expert but it wasn't really about the family members but just the feeling of living your life in the public eye and how mentally damaging that can be. And, he's never said anything worse than other members of the family about the family.
NOW, there is a lot of "Harry said this..." "Harry is going to say this..." "My sources tell me he feels this way...." And it's a constant news cycle that makes it seems like he's trying to get their attention. Largely, Harry has said what he wanted to say and has been getting on with his interest in America and his work.
All public figures use the media, they throw them a bone to keep the media happy rather than snooping constantly on them. I've read the whinning of a majority of the Sussexsquad about the Once in the Year reception at BP for the media at the end of the year (hasn't been done since pandemic), It keeps good relations. The Whitehouse does it too (until Obama), Trump eliminated it, don't know if Bidden will re-implement it.
She was protected by the media, there's about a dozen of journalists, from RR's to Investigative who have stated they did not publish all/majority of stuff they know about her. What could it be? So far we don't know.
The timeline of day 1 Queen in her deathbed can't be changed. The fact that W, A, E and S were waiting 1 hour from the scheduled flight 1:30 p.m. to finally leave without Harry at 2:30 p.m. I am 100% sure I read and also watched the news at that sad day multiple journalists who acquired the RAF Jet log, not only the flight was scheduled to leave at 1:30 but the passenger manifest had 7 people, 1 was early scratched out, Kate, 1st day of school, stayed. The other 2 passengers would be H and M. Latest: Last Night Sean Neil said MM from the beginning didn't want to go to Balmoral, all this brouhaha is Harry! He has turned into a Me Myself and I, without a thought of his grandmother firstly, his father secondly. For goodness sake, what does he think his father was going through?!!!
and Harry's PR confirmed from all the British Media that they received from Harry's PR emails by Press Associated, inquiries to PA they stated they received them from Harry's PR, one after the other Meghan going/Meghan on her way/Meghan not going, then Harry leaving Balmoral the next day earliest possible a.m. Everyone else except Anne who did her Duty from start/finish, left Balmoral in the afternoon/late afternoon, W, A, E and S. HMKCIII about an hour later.
With regard to Valentine Low?s book ?Courtiers?
Valentine Low has posted on twitter about his new book whilst retweeting a thread by Catherine Mayer. She is the author of Charles: The Heart of a King (2015) a book I own.
Low declared that he was critical of Meghan, but also equally on the Palace's approach of her behaviour. Mayer, who is co-founder and president of Women's Equality Party, has criticised the dysfunction between the royal households.
She has also previously written articles for The Observer, sister paper to The Guardian.
Valentine Low @valentinelow
I couldn't agree more. In the book I am critical of Meghan, but also very critical of the way the palace handled her.
5:53 PM ? Sep 24, 2022?Twitter for Android
Quote from: changemhysoul on September 24, 2022, 02:42:37 PM
Fair point, like I said, my view of Hollywood and what a Hollywood life is different from you but again, I understand where you're coming from.
If you don't agree with me that's fine but it'd be no point in going back and forth on that point.
I'd also like to say, he's spoken about his family in depth, twice. Once on Oprah and The Me You Can't See. He did talk about being in the Royal Family on The Armchair Expert but it wasn't really about the family members but just the feeling of living your life in the public eye and how mentally damaging that can be. And, he's never said anything worse than other members of the family about the family.
Here: On Oprah, they both LIED, I am not going to research all the Lies here, they are all on the internet for everyone to read. MY issue is *You do not LIE on TV to the world about your family problems, be an adult and do them behind closed doors. Harry and Meghan BETRAYED their family, be they royal or not* Yea he sure talked/LIED about his family as the world has seen time and time again. NOBODY can put a positive spin on that ever...I shake my head in disbelief that people still think it is OKAY to be that way about your family, for heaven's sake, Philip was in a hospital and then went home to be with his wife at the end of his life, he was DYING and still Harry and Meghan continued their tirade about the royal family and then in the last year of his grandmother's life, do you think he went to see her and tell her he loved her, NO that did not happen, HM was 96 years old for goodness sake, think she was going to live forever? I know Harry went to church a number of times and know right from wrong about life......he preaches right and does wrong all the time. He is a hypocrite and 2 faced lair as far as I am concerned for the way he treated his grandparents, that is unforgivable to me. They are now both gone and I strongly believe Karma will take a very huge bite out of both of them someday.....what we do and what we put out to the world, will and does come right back to us in time.....I have seen that happen to me and so many other people I know. It will all come back to both of them and they won't survive it. Let them stay and live in Ca and do as they please yet stay far far away from those across the pond as there is NO reason for Harry or Meghan to ever go back again, not even for Charles coronation.
My views on Hollywood, LOL.....all that comes out of Hollywood, men raping young girls and there are lots of men that do that who have not been caught *yet*, drugs, booze and the violence on TV is all we see from Hollywood......do not get me started on my views of Hollywood or my congress either.
Okay done...thanks for your participation, our views are most certainly different and that is okay as that is what makes the world a better place in learning to understand each other.
He won't get sued.
Yes, Mr. Low won't be sued and I bet he has a firm of great lawyers who went over this book word by word and fact by fact to make sure of that. 8If* it is proven that either Harry or Meghan screamed, yelled or threaten any employee that is a very abusive work place. That is shame on them for they have NO reason to talk about mental health to anyone if they did that. That type of abuse should never be tolerated by anyone and reported to the major person in charge of employment regardless of who the boss is or the job.
One thing that really stood out for me, caught my eye and made me sit up and reread the entire article twice was in the article it was reported that Meghan told Harry "If you don?t put out a statement confirming I?m your girlfriend, I?m going to break up with you" she would leave him if he did not make it known about their relationship.....tell me, how is that called *love* when you threaten the person you say you love? Making that statement is a *threat* and and that right there is abuse, Meghan pushed Harry to make that statement, she manipulated him to make that statement, that is NOT love and that showed me the type of person she is and how weak and insecure Harry is because all Harry wanted in life was what William had, a family, so Harry has that now yet at what cost to him. Meghan is a very intelligent woman who knows how to play people as after all that was her career in Hollywood, playing people on a TV show which all those lessons she could and probably does carry over into her personal life. Harry provided for her the largest stage ever, the world became her stage tenfold.
That stood out to me, too. Serious side eye. I was willing to give her a chance at the beginning but now I am not impressed. Harry is a angry man lashing out. She?s a manipulator. Together, it?s not good
As I observed in a previous post Low just attributes that statement about Meghan threatening Harry to an unnamed source. It?s not clear in fact how Low attributed this, as there are other unnamed sources talking about Harry ?panicking? about her doing so.
In fact the whole paragraph or so that discusses the statement and the run up to it, Harry?s reaction etc have no named sources given. Low may be speculating about it, staff within KP at the time might have been speculating about it, but unless someone was standing by Meghan?s elbow when she phoned him from Canada and then informed Low of the conversation (highly unlikely) it remains unverified and therefore probably did not happen, or at least not in the way Low seems to be framing it.
I?m getting this book and verifying a lot of stuff for myself. It examines every Court, BP, CH, KP and how various royals and aides operate within it so it sounds a good read.
I?m going to get it also. Bah! Not Available in Canada until June 2023
^^IMO Jason Knauf, reading his previous court emails to his employers, he ask questions in exchange conversations. Tom Bower has a similar story. Jason didn't want to do it, in both accounts Harry and Meghan dramatize and exaggerate situations. Tom said Jason when commanded, he questions, thus helping the couple reduce their own backfire, self inflicting damage. This type of bosses, one can do it for a certain time.
But as Samantha Cohen said, it's like working with teenagers (both books reference teenagers, different wording)
Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2022, 09:18:02 PM
^^IMO Jason Knauf, reading his previous court emails to his employers, he ask questions in exchange conversations. Tom Bower has a similar story. Jason didn't want to do it, in both accounts Harry and Meghan dramatize and exaggerate situations. Tom said Jason when commanded, he questions, thus helping the couple reduce their own backfire, self inflicting damage. This type of bosses, one can do it for a certain time.
But as Samantha Cohen said, it's like working with teenagers (both books reference teenagers, different wording)
It?s not attributed to any named source. And if it is Jason then he should have the courage of his convictions and put his name to what he offered Low. Otherwise it means nothing. Unnamed sources are never valuable, especially when they are discussing an incident like this supposedly is.
My brother, the magic cirlce lawyer said just reading the account of receiving after working hour calls on a Friday evening every 10 minutes, then continued Saturday, Sunday to Monday morning is the strongest case of harrasment. Secondly, I showed him the article of bullying dated March 2021, no lawsuit, the guy is solid.
IF the Sussexes decide to sue, the court CAN order telephone company to check that specific weekend IF the victim didn't save the calls. BUT since it's detailed in the Valentine Low extract, she (victim, all the victims in the extract so far are women) has it saved. Go to phone icon in a cellphone or smartphone, enter recent, screenshot, save in Cloud and a just in case USB stick too.
Quote from: Curryong on September 24, 2022, 09:26:38 PM
It?s not attributed to any named source. And if it is Jason then he should have the courage of his convictions and put his name to what he offered Low. Otherwise it means nothing. Unnamed sources are never valuable, especially when they are discussing an incident like this supposedly is.
I stated ''IMO''. IMO he has plenty of conviction too.
The flight to Balmoral mixup.
Meghan Markle news: Fresh claim over what happened on her abandoned flight to Scotland | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1673759/meghan-markle-prince-harry-queen-elizabeth-ii-death-scotland-flight-latest)
A source had told The Sun Harry missed the flight after King Charles III told him it was not appropriate to take Meghan to Scotland.
They claimed: "Harry was so busy trying to get Meghan to Balmoral and rowing with his family that he missed the flight."
Harry's separate flight arrived in Aberdeen five minutes after the death of Queen Elizabeth II was announced at 6.30pm on September 8.
A second source has told the Telegraph it was all a mistake.
The source, who is familiar with how the day unfolded, claimed: "It was just a mistake.
"This wasn't about causing or taking offence. It was simply the protocol and [the Sussexes] were always going to respect that."
It was reportedly understood Harry and Meghan would travel together as the couple would have done had they flown to the UK from their US home in the event of the Queen's death.?
The Telegraph btw is not a tabloid and is therefore more reliable. Imo.
Quote from: Macrobug67 on September 24, 2022, 08:57:07 PM
That stood out to me, too. Serious side eye. I was willing to give her a chance at the beginning but now I am not impressed. Harry is a angry man lashing out. She?s a manipulator. Together, it?s not good
All along from the first picture of Harry and Meghan together at their engagement interview with Meghan wearing that white coat, I saw big trouble, maybe it was just me or my gut instinct taking over yet in 2 short years their life went to hell and is still there. I have talked that picture over and over again with my sister, my friends and they all thought I was seeing things that weren't there, yet now just look. All sides of this have issues to discuss yet the bulk of this is on Harry and Meghan period. Their shouting, screaming, yelling or threatening anyone is on them period. They have lied again and again so many times and it is all out there on the internet as I have said before.....yet has anyone in the royal family come back at them screaming, shouting, yelling or threatening them.............quiet dignity gets more done with a positive affect then this behavior.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 24, 2022, 10:25:43 PM
All along from the first picture of Harry and Meghan together at their engagement interview with Meghan wearing that white coat, I saw big trouble, maybe it was just me or my gut instinct taking over yet in 2 short years their life went to hell and is still there. I have talked that picture over and over again with my sister, my friends and they all thought I was seeing things that weren't there, yet now just look. All sides of this have issues to discuss yet the bulk of this is on Harry and Meghan period. Their shouting, screaming, yelling or threatening anyone is on them period. They have lied again and again so many times and it is all out there on the internet as I have said before.....yet has anyone in the royal family come back at them screaming, shouting, yelling or threatening them.............quiet dignity gets more done with a positive affect then this behavior.
We don?t know whether Charles and/or William have shouted, yelled or screamed at Harry (or Meghan.) Both Charles and William are known to have tempers. Several of these were featured in Robert Jobson?s bio on Charles in a discussion on his sons. Jobson noted that there were times when William stood toe to toe with his father during arguments, and shouted. Camilla has reportedly noted that William has a temper. There were confrontations between the brothers on various occasions that we know of, including just before the two Households split.
And Charles, again, being a ?man child?
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/king-charles-pen-tantrums-expose-him-as-an-overindulged-manchild/news-story/a413dcbd9fd1c46859e9bcb39a7b9f9b
Quiet dignity?
Prince William's ?temper? stunned Camilla on entering Firm as young ?royal found it hard? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1564643/prince-william-news-camilla-prince-charles-queen-consort-royal-family-spt)
Quote from: Nightowl on September 24, 2022, 07:54:12 PM
Here: On Oprah, they both LIED, I am not going to research all the Lies here, they are all on the internet for everyone to read. MY issue is *You do not LIE on TV to the world about your family problems, be an adult and do them behind closed doors. Harry and Meghan BETRAYED their family, be they royal or not* Yea he sure talked/LIED about his family as the world has seen time and time again. NOBODY can put a positive spin on that ever...I shake my head in disbelief that people still think it is OKAY to be that way about your family, for heaven's sake, Philip was in a hospital and then went home to be with his wife at the end of his life, he was DYING and still Harry and Meghan continued their tirade about the royal family and then in the last year of his grandmother's life, do you think he went to see her and tell her he loved her, NO that did not happen, HM was 96 years old for goodness sake, think she was going to live forever? I know Harry went to church a number of times and know right from wrong about life......he preaches right and does wrong all the time. He is a hypocrite and 2 faced lair as far as I am concerned for the way he treated his grandparents, that is unforgivable to me. They are now both gone and I strongly believe Karma will take a very huge bite out of both of them someday.....what we do and what we put out to the world, will and does come right back to us in time.....I have seen that happen to me and so many other people I know. It will all come back to both of them and they won't survive it. Let them stay and live in Ca and do as they please yet stay far far away from those across the pond as there is NO reason for Harry or Meghan to ever go back again, not even for Charles coronation.
My views on Hollywood, LOL.....all that comes out of Hollywood, men raping young girls and there are lots of men that do that who have not been caught *yet*, drugs, booze and the violence on TV is all we see from Hollywood......do not get me started on my views of Hollywood or my congress either.
Okay done...thanks for your participation, our views are most certainly different and that is okay as that is what makes the world a better place in learning to understand each other.
Well, as you said. Our views are different.
My take away from Low can be summed up in a tweet I saw. "The overwhelming message is "The courtiers leaked constantly that Meghan was paranoid about people leaking about her."
As a note, they've never sued about any books written about them. I doubt that Mr. Low will have the privilege of being the first.
We've now reached 15 pages so it's time to close this thread and open another one.