The Iffy-Wiff Club: The Sussex Family General Chat Part 1

[TLLK]

I expect that the Palace did send an invitation to the Sussexes in California and it's their choice to accept or decline the invitation. It appears that they've chosen to decline this invitation and will privately send King Charles their birthday greeting.

[wannable]

Apparently not by some royal reporters

[wannable]

In reference to the articles of the Sussexes declining a invitation to celebrate with Charles his birthday. 

The royal rota in it's majority said they were not invited. Only Neil Sean said H was invited for a one on one lunch with his father. Nobody wants to attend a 'private' party, birthday, private anything with H because it ''will'' end up twisted by H in some media outlet for commercial gain. H is only invited by Charles when there is a public duty like The Coronation. 

Anyway, H would feel completely vulnerable surrounded by a dozen or two family and extended family by his own doing.

[wannable]

The King turns 75  with just one son by his side
If the King were to make one birthday wish, it would undoubtedly be for a sustained period of silence from the Sussexes and their supporters

ByCamilla Tominey
Associated Editor
The Telegraph

Any celebrations would be minimal and family orientated.

King will mark the official start of a programme to tackle food waste, called the Coronation Food Project, next weekend.

As I said as a messenger after reading consensus of a majority of royal rota, his birthday will be celebrated with family, It will not be a public affair, noting the 'expenses' were done for his mother's funeral and his own coronation and tomorrow's Opening of Parliament which will be done with pomp and ceremony and 600 guests confirmed to attend.

[sara8150]

Harry WON'T attend King Charles' 75th birthday: Duke of Sussex 'turns down invite' in latest snub - amid claims pair 'don't speak much' after Prince

Prince Harry rejects invite to King Charles's 75th birthday party | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

King Charles 'misses Prince Harry' as Duke's absence will be felt at his birthday party | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Harry 'snubs' latest olive branch from his father King Charles amid bitter feud - Mirror Online

Prince Harry 'snubs' Charles AGAIN as Duke 'rejects invitation to King's 75th birthday party' | The Sun

Due bombshell of Netflix last December 2022 and also Harry?s memoir last January 2023 more embarrassed of his father King Charles and his brother Prince William and expect his own family members but Harry sold his soul according to express says but article says King Charles and Prince William will not forgiven Harry for what Harry wrote in the book and expect Netflix that not okay with that but Harry wrote in the memoir of his own stepmother the Queen Camilla saying anything about that but Harry told his father not marry Camilla but members of the Royal family will kept silent about Sussex drama

[PrincessOfPeace]

Prince Harry has not been invited to the Kings 75th birthday party, despite claims that he's turned down the invite. A Sussex spokesman says there has been "no contact" re next week's celebrations -

https://x.com/victoria_ward/status/1721620854470033471?s=20

[wannable]

^ As I said in the Sussex board they weren't invited, at least VW for The Telegraph spoke with Meghan and Harry's spokesperson to confirm it to their fans, especially the Sussexsquad that think it was true that the couple were invited and they declined it. For some reason, they think this makes the couple bigger, more important, than whatever the occasion is about.

Charles is having a private party - nobody feels safe with the duo there.

The next let's be front page news for 48 hours, then after that another front page news denial will be Christmas at Sandringham. It's an old media PR game, you put the news, then you pretend it didn't come from you, then you have a special royal rota that comes from a broadsheet like The Telegraph with 'the spokesperson'.  Watch it happen.  :D

[sara8150]

^ As I said in the Sussex board they weren't invited, at least VW for The Telegraph spoke with Meghan and Harry's spokesperson to confirm it to their fans, especially the Sussexsquad that think it was true that the couple were invited and they declined it. For some reason, they think this makes the couple bigger, more important, than whatever the occasion is about.

Charles is having a private party - nobody feels safe with the duo there.

Yes King Charles and Prince William will not tolerate with Harry due back to Netflix last December 2022 and his memoir last January 2023 tell all more embarrassed but King Charles and Prince William both wanted kept silent on Sussex?s drama

[wannable]

^ The couple 'it happens to be' 'only' have a problem with the four most important people in the Monarchy. The impact of them 4 versus anyone else after H place in the line of succession is blah.

[Curryong]

Yes King Charles and Prince William will not tolerate with Harry due back to Netflix last December 2022 and his memoir last January 2023 tell all more embarrassed but King Charles and Prince William both wanted kept silent on Sussex?s drama

So, as I stated in my last post on this, the tabloids TELL LIES. All that rubbish from the Express that has been posted on these threads for the last couple of days in many articles about Harry refusing invites and ?snubbing? Charles has been proven to be just BS. Which is what I stated and usually say about these sort of tabloid articles.
They KNOW nothing and are not party to any private communications or none between Charles and his relatives.
They MAKE things up for clickbait. If anyone believes these articles they must have one brain cell and that?s debatable! 

There will be quiet family celebrations for Charles? birthday, like there were last year and the year before and the year before that (which was Covid restricted.)

[wannable]

It comes from a source, what most confirm it is from WME - the methodology I just explained. Any association with the Monarchy is as they know it - imperative for the couple to sell themselves commercially. Without the emotional connections, which is 'the association' that has to exist, they are nothing. Everthing for the couple is tied, I am sure at this point - they have been told by Ari, the big boss, something Sunshine Sach did not tell them or where told by a little someone in the pecking order - and they did not listen.

[Curryong]

I was writing in my last two posts about the tabloids making up stories about the Sussexes just for clickbait. And on this occasion their lies (from the imaginations of Journos at the Express)  have been shown up for what they are. Rubbish for clickbait. Did you not see the four or five articles from the Express and others that sara linked, about snubs and invites refused and Charles? olive branch? They came from tabloid imaginations not anywhere else.

As for Charles, he can go on doing or not doing what he wants to with family relationships, and without the ?help? of tabloids. He can live in England with the wife who helped to wreck his first marriage and is none too popular with the British public. And Harry will go on living in California with his wife, who never broke anyone?s marriage up but her own to Trevor, and the sussex?s two small children.

And whatever occurs or doesn?t occur in the future, Harry still remains a Prince, he is still the grandson of the late Queen, son of King Charles and the next King?s (if there is one) only brother and that will never change until the end of time, whatever is said or inferred.

[TLLK]

Prince Harry has not been invited to the Kings 75th birthday party, despite claims that he's turned down the invite. A Sussex spokesman says there has been "no contact" re next week's celebrations -

https://x.com/victoria_ward/status/1721620854470033471?s=20

I believe that since the publications such as The Telegraph and The Times are reporting on this story that this is why we're hearing a response from the Sussexes' spokesperson. If it was only the tabloids, then I believe that there would not have been a response.

[TLLK]

The Times Royah Nikkah is speculating that the Sussexes might come to the UK for Christmas if an invitation is issued and their security needs can be met.

https://archive.ph/wiS46

As phone calls go, there was no shortage of hype. On Tuesday, as the King marked his 75th birthday with an engagement highlighting a food waste project, the headlines were instead dominated with news that Prince Harry planned to call his father later that day from California.
The Sussexes may have been absent from Charles?s birthday party at Clarence House for his extended family and close friends that night, but they were still keen to be part of the day?s narrative.
Buckingham Palace refused to comment on a ?private? call, but soon after it happened, details emerged that Harry, 39, and Meghan, 42, had a ?warm? conversation with Charles, and played him a video of the grandchildren he barely knows, Prince Archie, 4, and Princess Lilibet, 2, singing Happy Birthday.
Sources close to the Sussexes hailed the call as a ?turning point? in the strained relations between the King and his second son. Courtiers rolled their eyes in dismay, finding it ?baffling? that a private conversation was briefed in advance and afterwards. As a source close to Charles said recently: ?It frustrates him that personal issues intrude on the public duty. He?d much rather the focus was on his work, not the soap opera of the private life. It is always frustrating when family dynamics overshadow the public role.?But if the phone call revealed one thing, it is that regardless of the bitter fallout after their Oprah interview, the Netflix documentary and the publication of Harry?s memoir, the couple are eager to maintain some kind of contact between Archie, Lili and the grandfather they have met only a handful of times.
With Thanksgiving approaching this Thursday, Meghan was asked by reporters what her favourite festive tradition was. She replied: ?That?s a great question. Our little ones are little, and we?re enjoying every moment of it.?
If Meghan?s red carpet musings reached the King?s ears, they may have been painful to hear. Charles has never spent a Christmas with Archie and Lili, nor, it is thought, any significant time with them. It is understood there is deep sadness on both sides of the Atlantic at this status quo.Archie was born in May 2019, and met his grandfather a handful of times as a baby before his parents left the UK for Canada in November that year, where they spent their first family Christmas before moving to America in January 2020.
Lili was born in California in June 2021, and met Charles for the first time last summer in what was reported as a ?very emotional? moment, when the Sussexes briefly returned to the UK to mark Queen Elizabeth?s Platinum Jubilee. No senior member of the royal family attended her first birthday party at Frogmore Cottage in June last year, and Charles has not seen the children in person since.
Meghan?s mother, Doria Ragland, who lives in California, is the only grandparent in regular contact with them. Meghan?s estranged father, Thomas Markle, has never met his grandchildren or Harry.
Friends of the Sussexes say they want to change the state of play, and would readily accept an invitation to Christmas at Sandringham, the King?s Norfolk home, or a summer stay at Balmoral, Scotland, where members of the royal family come and go in privacy and can easily avoid each other.
A friend said: ?I can?t imagine the Sussexes would decline an invitation to spend time with His Majesty. As of yet, there have not been any invitations for the holidays.? Buckingham Palace declined to comment.Harry and Meghan last spent Christmas at Sandringham in 2018. The walk to church on Christmas Day with William and Catherine saw them branded ?the fab four?, a moniker that has not aged well. The couples have been mostly on non-speakers for the past few years and as a consequence, William and Kate?s children, Prince George, 10, Princess Charlotte, 8, and Prince Louis, 5, barely know their cousins, although the couples did exchange Christmas gifts for each other?s children last year.
Earlier this year, the King asked Harry and Meghan to vacate Frogmore Cottage, their Windsor home. Sources close to the Sussexes note that, without security or a place to stay in the UK, they now need a ?formal invitation? from the King or Buckingham Palace to be able to stay on ?protected property? that has adequate security for the whole family.
Harry is locked in a legal battle with the Home Office over its decision to remove his police protection when he is in the UK, even though he has offered to pay for it. A legal representative has said he is ?unable to return to his home? with his family because it is too dangerous. Royal aides say that temporary accommodation for Harry on the royal estate, which is covered by heightened protection, is likely to be made available for him, when feasible, if requested for any short visits.But when Harry briefly returned to the UK in September for a charity event, during the anniversary of Queen Elizabeth?s death, his request for accommodation on the royal estate was refused. Charles invited his son to spend time with him at Balmoral, but Harry?s itinerary made it impossible.
What if logistics, accommodation, security and royal diaries could all align, making a visit by the Sussexes feasible? After so many royal secrets have been spilt by the Sussexes? commercial ventures, the royal family continues to struggle with how any future reconciliations could remain private.
It is a fear acknowledged even by friends of the couple. In the aftermath of Harry?s book, a source close to the Sussexes conceded: ?They realise they?ve got to a place where private conversations and calls could be questioned if they?re going to be private.?Those fears are as acute as ever. After Tuesday?s private phone call was made public, a royal insider told The Daily Telegraph: ?The King and Queen worry that if stories about phone calls and private conversations make it into the public domain, they will be accused of leaking to the press, even if it?s obvious it didn?t come from them. They just think, ?It?s in the public domain, and public domain equals bad.? Even if this had been the most positive story in the world from the King?s point of view, it would still have generated anxiety for him.?
That anxiety is only heightened at the thought of how much private information could be stored and later unleashed, from a Christmas at Sandringham or summer sojourn at Balmoral. Harry has also accused his family and the Palace of leaking stories about him to the media, something the Palace denies. Trust, lacking on both sides, continues to be a sticking point.
After last week?s phone call, it emerged that father and son have planned to speak again this week. If that call happens, the Sussexes may be hoping for that elusive invitation to come and stay. Charles will be hoping for another feature elusive from his relationship with the Sussexes ? total privacy.

[Nightowl]

*IF* there was such an invite from Charles to the Sussex's, would this then be a way to gather more info on the royal family for future books, TV interviews and such?  Just how in the world would anyone ever *trust* the Sussex's again is beyond me.  After how Harry called Camilla names and treated Catherine does anyone really think there will be a *Merry Christmas* get to gather.....for the Sussex's this is all about *info* on the royal family and *money* again.......Are the Sussex's broke now, do they need Bank of Dad to bail them out?   There is way more to this then just a *let's forgive the past* family gathering. 

[TLLK]

@Nightowl - If the Sussexes are truly concerned about security , then I don't believe they'd want to participate in Christmas at Sandringham this year with the very public walk to and from church. If they  still wanted to come, then maybe it would be better to visit immediately after Christmas when Camilla has left to be with her family but prior to when Charles goes to Scotland for Hogmanay (New Years.) A short visit with Charles, would likely be best for all involved IMHO. Archie and Lilibet get to spend time with their grandfather and get to know the area where Harry's family has been associated for decades. Afterwards, perhaps they could go meet up with the Brooksbanks. The other family members don't need to be involved unless they want to be.

[wannable]

It would be nice for Charles and Thomas to be with their children and grandchildren.

[Nightowl]

Why use the grandchildren to make up with the royal family?  These are small children who don't even know the royal family through no fault of their own.  And it is not about the holidays with small grandchildren either.   This is about Harry and Meghan losing their final place in the royal family which maybe they are finally understanding what they did.  They NEED to keep reference with the royal family as a way to make money and keep themselves in the news of the world, nothing else. They *NEED* the royal family and the royal family *DOES NOT NEED* them as they are finding out.  When a person NEEDS someone in their life if is not out of love for anyone, it is them feeling worthless until they are back in the royal family, they see the royal family as a drug they *need* to keep revelant. 

[Nightowl]

It would be nice for Charles and Thomas to be with their children and grandchildren.

Meghan will never make up with her family, none of them.  They are not royal enough for her, she is an unforgiving person as we have all seen expect when she gets what she wants out of someone.....hard as steel in dealing with people in her life.  And that will even go for Harry someday.....he has no idea who she is really, he went with his heart and lust  regardling her and still does.  In some ways in looking at her I see the Queen Mom in her...tough and unforgiving!  And sometimes that is good in a person and also bad! We all need to be tough at times in certain situations of our lives...this I know all to well. A double edge sword at times.....

[TLLK]

Why use the grandchildren to make up with the royal family?  These are small children who don't even know the royal family through no fault of their own.  And it is not about the holidays with small grandchildren either.   This is about Harry and Meghan losing their final place in the royal family which maybe they are finally understanding what they did.  They NEED to keep reference with the royal family as a way to make money and keep themselves in the news of the world, nothing else. They *NEED* the royal family and the royal family *DOES NOT NEED* them as they are finding out.  When a person NEEDS someone in their life if is not out of love for anyone, it is them feeling worthless until they are back in the royal family, they see the royal family as a drug they *need* to keep revelant. 

I personally believe that Archie and Lilibet should have a relationship with their paternal grandfather. Ideally I would like to see them have a relationship with their Wales relatives, but that might not happen any time soon. Not sure if they'll have one with their step-grandmother Camilla anytime soon.

[Nightowl]

I get that about relationships yet these are very small babies, they have no idea who is who.  This all is on Harry and Meghan and all the lies and all the drama and trouble they have caused for the entire world to see and read.  Harry and Meghan both have cause such horrific damage to the royal family, monarchy and country with their lies.....saying *sorry* won't work this time around either.  How can anyone in the royal family have a peaceful holiday with watching, worrying  about every word out of someone's mouth that won't be reported by Harry or Meghan to someone in the media or another author......that will *now* always be on the minds of every member of the royal family that speaks to them....that is *a given* and cause by Harry and Meghan regardless of what they say or even sign as a contract  to not repeat anything.......it all boils down to one word now with them......TRUST....They broke that Trust for some I really don't think there is any turning back for them to ever be back in the royal family again.........and that is *All on them by their actions, behavior, choices and decisions only*. Sad yet very true!

[wannable]

phil dampier
@phildampier
If #HarryandMeghan want to play happy families why don't they go and see her dad? He's just down the road.

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Several friends to Harry and Meghan said today (several articles in the web) that they felt the request to attend (and the phone call) is because they need and are keen - the public to  see a thawing of their relationship with the BRF and do not have any new commercial contracts. They conceded that Meghan (and Harry, after marriage) had been invited since Chrsitmas 2017 yearly to Sandringham and Balmoral and failed to go, hence it does look bad.

[wannable]

A famous upmarket department store for A listers in California called Kitson displays in their window every year during the holiday - Christmas season what they think are celeb hypocrites.

Harry and Meghan made it.




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Kitson is an upmarket department store chain whose head store is on Robertson Boulevard in Los Angeles, California. This store is a well known place for celebrity spotting, especially by paparazzi.


Kitson is a pop culture brand that was established in 2000 on Robertson Boulevard in Los Angeles, California. Kitson has a kids store called Kitson Kids on Robertson and has outposts in Beverly Hills and the Pacific Palisades.

The store carries a selection of clothing for adults and children as well as an assortment of gifts, toys, books, and art.

Kitson has been featured in the movie The Ring Bling and Entourage. The store's 2020 holiday window displays purporting to call out hypocritical actions by political figures such as Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, Eric Garcetti as well as others all wearing Santa Hats went viral.

^ Since then, it's a yearly thing.

[wannable]

No X mention of the couple in his social media but it is great news the Sussexes family can actually spend any holidays at Althorp.

[Nightowl]

Yes, I bet there is plenty of privacy on the estate and this way Meghan will not have to roll down windows of her car when arriving as there will be no crowds to welcome them.  Spencer is not royal is he? I always thought of him as a peer, just because Diana married into the royal family does not mean that made the Spencer's royal.