The Sussex Family General Chat Part 2

[HistoryGirl2]

Maybe even *he* doesn?t really know what he wants. It?s new territory, and it?s likely territory he never saw happening before marrying Meghan. I don?t think he ever saw a situation where his children wouldn?t be titled.

Seeing William be made PoW probably didn?t help matters. His position rises and Harry is looking at him with his nose pressed against the glass. I think this unorthodox way of declaring a change in style likely had to do with that. ?Don?t forget me? type of thing.

I see a lot of contradiction in Harry. He talks about how much he worries about William?s children and how happy he is that he?s not in the royal family any longer. I think he?s trying to play this part of happy ?normal? guy, and he?s having a difficult time adjusting to not being a central part of large royal events.

Pageantry can be addictive. I don?t think he misses doing every day visits to charities, but I think he does miss putting on his uniform or going to big events like Commonwealth Day. Regular wealth and celebrity doesn?t carry the same sort of thrill.

[Amabel2]

Honestly I dont know what ot make of these things he's saying about Will's chidlren.  Once I would have said, that Harry was not bright and was very fond of kids because he could play with them.  Now Im increasingly cynical and feel "how much did he ever play with Will's kids, or at least how much was it sincerely being fond of his brother's family, and how much was this his PR men's putting forard an image of him being a jolly chap who loves to play with the kiddies.
Surely he realises that he just sounds crazy going on about his brother's children who are none of his concern?

[HistoryGirl2]

I?m sure he hardly knows Louis, just by circumstance. The other two? Based on how much he disliked William, I?d say not terribly close. It?s doubtful either would be close to each other?s children regardless of what had happened. They don?t really sound like close brothers, even before Spare. The best friends thing sounds like a media creation.

I?m not sure William would want him anywhere near his children now. The story they fed People about inviting them all to the christening was just a way for them to sound magnanimous. I don?t think Harry likes William very much and wouldn?t care whether he was at his children?s christening or not, whether in America, the U.K., or Timbuktu.

[TLLK]

Some advice for the couple that might earn them a little more positive public relations if they choose to go to the Coronation.

Prince Harry Reciprocating King's Title 'Olive Branch' Could Prove Good PR

[Amabel2]

I?m sure he hardly knows Louis, just by circumstance. The other two? Based on how much he disliked William, I?d say not terribly close. It?s doubtful either would be close to each other?s children regardless of what had happened. They don?t really sound like close brothers, even before Spare. The best friends thing sounds like a media creation.

I?m not sure William would want him anywhere near his children now. T

I do wonder about that.  And its sad.  The 2 of them are in a unique position, as the only 2 sons of the future king and having lost their mother tragically at such an early age.  So you would kind of expect and hope that they were close.  But as far as I can see from Harry's book that even as boys, there was more than average tension between them and even when they missed their mother and so on, it did not seem to bring them all that close.
Even when Harry discusses his hope that Diana just had disappeared raher than was dead, it doesn't sound like there was any great closeness there?
So I wonder if perhaps Will always knew that his younger brother was on a knife's edge and perhaps wondered " is he going to stay the course? or is he going to explode one day and bring up all the anger and  confusion?
I do think that Will tried to get him into therapy, and that he was genuinely concerned for his brother and I'd LIKE to believe that under the anger and problems, they both loved each other.. but I'm not sure. Did the rest of the Family and the household feel "Harry's a big problem, he is always angry, always ready to explode what if this gets out to the press? 
Was that why they were willing, it seems in the first year or 2 of the marriage, to allow H to leave Royal life on a temporary or permanent basis?  Perhaps they felt  " ITs Better that Harry should go, and leave Royal duties and we are left 2 people short, than that he has some kind of meltdown which will cause a scandal."
I was surprised at the things that were said about Meghan maybe going on with her acting and the rumours about Harry going to Africa with her and so on.. and I suspect now that that was the R Household trying to find some way of giving Harry an outlet which would satisfy him, and keep him from exploding publicly.  But because H himself wasn't too clear perhaps on what he wanted to do, (other than go to the US which was a money making path that would not look good to the public), the RH and the family delayed (as they are prone to do) nad Harry and Meg DID explode because they wanted out and were not prepared to hang around waiting for the RH to come up with a solution.

[HistoryGirl2]

I think they love each other, but sometimes siblings just aren?t close. I?m close with mine, but I know plenty of people who don?t really get along with their sibling. They love them, but they don?t really do stuff with them. I think William and Harry each had their own friends, sometimes they overlapped, but overall, as they grew older, they did their own thing.

I also think William was able to accept Diana?s death. That?s not to say that it didn?t devastate him, but it doesn?t *seem* like he allowed that  devastation to overtake him the way Harry did. So, the one thing that should have bonded them more became just another thing where they didn?t really have in common.

I do think Harry exaggerates at how bad their relationship was. I think William probably thought they were normal brothers, some friction and competition between them but loving all the same. I think Harry was angry when he wrote that book and that?s why it sounds so dramatic.

I don?t think the family had ill will towards either of them until they started to squawk about how unfair everything was. That gets old. And then of course, his public comments just completely crossed the line.

It is weird that the children will be a prince and princess but won?t actually be around the RF. Maybe that?s why they?re still considering going to the coronation. To try to retain some closeness with the RF.

[Amabel2]

THere's nothing wrong with tehm having their rightful titles, even if they lived in the South Pole.  but it IS odd for parents to insist on them having titles from an institution that the parents claim they dislike and that treated them so badly.
But with Harry I just feel that the book SPARE seems to have  been writitn in so much anger that it seems odd that at least some in the RF didn't notice that Harry was an angry young man who resented his place in the hierarchy and his brothers higher rank. I kind of feel that at least sometimes, the PR people in the household must have been very uneasy, and worrying that Harry was going to explode some day.  Or perhaps they thouht he would moan in private but never actually come out iwht it.

[HistoryGirl2]

Yeah, I gotta say, for someone that wasn?t aware you had to curtsy to the Queen, Meghan latched onto the ?birthright? concept real quick. I think Harry has always liked being a prince. Just not the not so fun stuff that comes with it.

[wannable]

Everything is wrong with them, 3+ years suffering fake rages. Both are so tiresome, no one famous congratulates them publicly with their monetization ways. No one famous will ever ever congratulate the couple with their own prince and princess announcement.

What the couple did was place an onus on themselves and to their children with their own shenanigans. 

[wannable]

^ The Gurkhas.

And seem (Harry's ex friends or whatever little left, his own Spare words) to be living without suffering fake rages on a weekly and monthly basis for years against their both families. I say fake because just recently read from a renowned psychiatrist that people CAN get a rage/angry, but 'doing' it weekly or even monthly. There is a reason behind these two acting up, they are both Mentally Ill.

[HistoryGirl2]

Who said he was there for 35 Years? And plenty of Harry?s family and friends lived elite and privileged lifestyles and didn?t go to any war zones at any time.

Yes, but those people didn?t write a book about how awful it is to be such a privileged person. That?s what the conversation is about. His hypocrisy in criticizing the monarchy ad nauseam, talking about how concerning it is for royal children who are not going to be the heirs, and then turning around and blathering on about birthrights for his own children.

[wannable]

Harry own words he lost MOST of his friends.

[Curryong]

Don?t know what to make of this article. It appears to have appeared originally in OK magazine, and goes into negotiations about their Coronation attendance. Apparently according to this, the Sussexes want to stay at FC with the Brooksbanks with whom they get on well. They are also anxious about their security and that Archie?s birthday not be ignored.

I hope they do stay at FC with the cousins. A lot of it sounds just gossip.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are negotiating the terms of their coronation attendance and the demands are pretty understandable | Woman & Home

[HistoryGirl2]

That definitely sounds like gossip. Until I hear it from them, I just won?t believe it. I actually can?t believe that anyone would be so ridiculous as to demand that the RF somehow acknowledge Archie?s fourth birthday on the day a king of England is crowned.

[Amabel2]

Like serving twice in the army and air services war zones in Afghanistan in helicopters. That sort of fun?

he watned to be in the army, didnt he?  Said that he'd leave if he didn't get combat duty?  But he left because he didn't want desk duty.

[wannable]

Didn't they have a party for Lili during the the Queen's Jubilee last year? Yes, guests who confirmed, a hired help, the photographer and his family, who filmed it all and the couple sold it to Netflix.

[HistoryGirl2]

I think it?s perfectly fine to have a party, but to expect the RF to acknowledge it would be ridiculous. They can do whatever they want to on their own time.

[wannable]

All for Netflix and column inches of their drama filled life. So, the couple film themselves daily for season 2, grab the past available news in media, tie it together, another soap opera.  They haven't been paid the whole amount, they need content, which they are getting already. 

''Either way'' negative or positive, they WILL use it for their Netflix show.  The couple always find a twist in making everything a sorry (victimhood) saga. I'm always angry with my family stance, because look what they did, hence I previously said they are already tiresome not only the UK but it has spread around the world.

[TLLK]

Don?t know what to make of this article. It appears to have appeared originally in OK magazine, and goes into negotiations about their Coronation attendance. Apparently according to this, the Sussexes want to stay at FC with the Brooksbanks with whom they get on well. They are also anxious about their security and that Archie?s birthday not be ignored.

I hope they do stay at FC with the cousins. A lot of it sounds just gossip.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are negotiating the terms of their coronation attendance and the demands are pretty understandable | Woman & Home

Archie's birthday- The day will likely be recognized as it has every year since his first birthday. The official social media will post a photo and say "Happy Birthday Archie" or something similar. I don't believe that there will be much else officially  from the BRF in terms of acknowledgement. Maybe they'll have one of the Guards bands film a video of them playing "Happy Birthday."

Lodging-IMO  it could end up being a mix of BP and possibly FC as the coordinators are likely going to want as many participating family members in London the night before the Coronation Day. Afterwards, they could decamp to Windsor Estate.

Security-That will be the same as it was for the Jubilee. The children will be at a secure property when they're not with their parents.

Balcony appearance-I seriously doubt that this will occur for the Sussex family as they've chosen to step back from senior royal duties and have created a very tense relationship not only with the BRF but the British Government and the people of the UK. -This

[HistoryGirl2]

Archie's birthday- The day will likely be recognized as it has every year since his first birthday. The official social media will post a photo and say "Happy Birthday Archie" or something similar. I don't believe that there will be much else officially  from the BRF in terms of acknowledgement. Maybe they'll have one of the Guards bands film a video of them playing "Happy Birthday."

Lodging-IMO  it could end up being a mix of BP and possibly FC as the coordinators are likely going to want as many participating family members in London the night before the Coronation Day. Afterwards, they could decamp to Windsor Estate.

Security-That will be the same as it was for the Jubilee. The children will be at a secure property when they're not with their parents.

Balcony appearance-I seriously doubt that this will occur for the Sussex family as they've chosen to step back from senior royal duties and have created a very tense relationship not only with the BRF but the British Government and the people of the UK. -This

Agree with all of this. The focus of the day is on a new monarch for the U.K. and the Commonwealth, and the political and dynastic importance of the event (for those who care, anyway). It?s gonna be rather uncomfortable for the RF, but they?ll have to do their best to ignore the distractions.

And that?s if they actually choose to attend. After all, there has been no word of an apology from either Charles or William.

[TLLK]

Thank you @HistoryGirl2. I'm sure that Prince Archie's family will do their best to make his birthday special even though the nation will be focused upon the coronation of his grandfather.

Perhaps the palace bakers might create some special treats for his day?

[HistoryGirl2]

^That?d be cute! If it were me, I?d do a small thing for him on his actual birthday and then have a party for him the next day and invite the family to stop by and see him once the hoopla is done. That way, no one would feel pressed on coronation day and they?d still feel like they?re celebrating with him.

[TLLK]

The Sussexes came to an agreement with Buckingham Palace to not pay rent for Frogmore Cottage after paying back the 2.4 million pounds.

Harry and Meghan struck deal to pay no more rent while living at Frogmore Cottage | Daily Mail Online

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex struck a deal with Buckingham Palace to pay no further rent on Frogmore Cottage after refunding the ?2.4 million taxpayers paid for its refurbishment, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

It had been reported that the Sussexes would pay a 'commercial rate' for the five-bedroom mansion on the Windsor estate. But Palace officials last night confirmed that the lump-sum payment wiped out the couple's rental obligations as the increased value of the property following the work was taken as 'rent in lieu'.

It's estimated the property would cost between ?150,000 and ?230,000 a year to rent, which means that the Sussexes may have saved up to ?690,000. They will not renew their lease when it ends later this month.

A Palace spokesperson said: 'The Duke and Duchess of Sussex made a contribution of ?2.4 million to the Sovereign Grant which covered the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage. They have fulfilled their financial obligations in relation to the property.

'In line with usual practice for the Sovereign Grant report, the accounting treatment was scrutinised and signed off by the National Audit Office and the Treasury. As with any such agreement between landlord and tenant, further details regarding the Sussexes' tenancy arrangements would be a private matter.'

[changemhysoul]

RE: Frogmore

It seems like....they're trying to find ways, not to pay back what they owe or whatever spin the media has going on now.

The 2.4 mil that was used to make it livable was paid off in rent. Since it was extremely run down (and not being taken care of as a crown property) they had to renovate and do some restoration. Not just put in some fancy new kitchen like the media stated.

So, this is them just trying to find a good angle to justify evicting them. Which is pointless because, they gave enough a reason right? No one was living (but people were) and uncle andy needed it and there was just no other empty home for him to stay in. Harry even noted that Frogmore was the cheapest of all of the run down proprieties.

What it seems like...the 2.4 Mil, was used for something and now they're getting creative with the accounting. Then the 'eviction' brought up some questions of liability. Between this and the creative use of funds, it seems like someone is working overtime to cover their behinds.

A routine book keeping has become a daily mail story. In the original report, it was said that the 2.4 Mil helped to mitigate the covid loss of revenue.

Seems like the family's book keepers have tied themselves into knots, the money didn't go where it needed to go and now a reason is needed not to pay H&M back.

I'm just glad they took the cheapest of the cheapest option. I can't even image the bashing if they had accepted an actual, nice, livable property. Frogmore was used to bash them even when they were working royals. With a more 'grand' place, it would've been horrendous.

Honestly, H&M shouldn't have paid anything but I'm glad they did and now everyone else can twist themselves into knots trying to explain it or pull more of a story out. They paid, nothing more for them to do. Just pay them the money owed and the media/family over there can deal with it.

[HistoryGirl2]

^If this agreement never took place and it is in fact a lie, the Sussexes will put out a statement saying it?s a lie. So I?m sure we will find out soon enough if it?s not true or not.