The Sussex Family General Chat Part 2

[Curryong]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...kle-earthquake

A statement on the couple's Archewell website shared: "With support from The Archewell Foundation, Humanity Crew?s mental health professionals in Turkey, in addition to helping aid workers on the ground, are able to continue their work providing psychological aid to alleviate trauma and shock; training local responders on providing mental health support; running support groups with adolescents; serving families through counselling; and working with non-governmental organizations to ensure culturally competent interventions.

"These two beloved organizations are committed to supporting communities in the region, and The Archewell Foundation is proud to have connected and uplifted them both as they do life-changing work."

Humanity Crew expressed their gratitude to Archewell on Instagram, writing: ""We are grateful for the ongoing support of The Archewell Foundation, which has been instrumental in helping us provide critical mental health support to those affected by the recent earthquake in Turkey and Syria."

[Amabel2]

Think about it. Would any reputable publishing house allow a woman to be named and her physical characteristics be described in such a way if there really was a Pat and she was in the physical condition described?That would set them up to be sued by her. Unless she is dead, in which case her loved ones could have come out and protested at the portrait.

If I had to guess, (and I and others have been thinking about this since Spare was published) I would say that Pat is an amalgam of the matrons and other staff who were there at the school at the time. Harry has exaggerated one or two of these people?s physical characteristics and uncaring qualities in order to paint a picture of his and his contemporaries? boarding school life as children at the time.

And I would also guess that all the Ludgrovians who attended the school at that time recognise that picture and the various tricks that they played on members of staff AT THE TIME. This is deliberately a child?s recollection.

frankly that is bizarre.  Harry makes up a woman who is in a weakened vulnerable state, tells the world she was plain and middle aged and did not make him "hot" and then proceeds to tell the world that he made fun of her to her face...and he's still going ha ha ha about her .....so he deliberately created an image of a woman whom it was unkind to mock and then told us al how he mocked her.

[wannable]

Even worse if this recollection was a fantasy in Harry's mind. From charming fake Harry to a repulsive real Harry.  SAD

[Amabel2]

Certainly an indication of a very odd mixed up frame of mind.  Making up a pretty girlfriend is one thing.  Making up a hate figure and telling the world how you made fun of her is another

[Ayse]

I don?t know whether Pat is a real person or not. However, if she exists not one of the approximately 250 people, staff and boys at Ludgrove in Harry?s time have chosen to come out and say anything at all, favourable or unfavourable about this woman, not even her fellow matrons or the local doctor who must have been at the school occasionally.

Think about it. Would any reputable publishing house allow a woman to be named and her physical characteristics be described in such a way if there really was a Pat and she was in the physical condition described?That would set them up to be sued by her. Unless she is dead, in which case her loved ones could have come out and protested at the portrait.

If I had to guess, (and I and others have been thinking about this since Spare was published) I would say that Pat is an amalgam of the matrons and other staff who were there at the school at the time. Harry has exaggerated one or two of these people?s physical characteristics and uncaring qualities in order to paint a picture of his and his contemporaries? boarding school life as children at the time.

And I would also guess that all the Ludgrovians who attended the school at that time recognise that picture and the various tricks that they played on members of staff AT THE TIME. This is deliberately a child?s recollection.

I have no idea what you?re saying. Are you saying Harry made up this women? For what purpose? Are you suggesting Harry deliberately exaggerated some things, bend some truths to suit his own agenda? To make money. Hmm. How noble.

[Amabel2]

That seems to be the explaination.  I can't understand it.  Pat may well be dead and have no close relatives so that's why noone's come forward to say anything about her, and why the publishers felt they could describe her as plain and bad tempered with impunity. Or perhaps her friends or family just dont want to get into a media fight iwht someone like Harry if their relative is dead.
Anyway it seems that Harry's mocking attitude to a sick woman has not done him any bad with Invictus etc, you would think that people who are disabled veterans would be shocked that a man would make fun of a disabled woman and still laugh about it, years later and might not want him to be the patron of thier charity. 

[wannable]

Sources close to The Duke of Sussex have indicated that he was truthful on his visa application, suggesting that he disclosed his drug use, which has continued since he moved to the US in 2020.

Prince Harry may have to update US officials on his drug use in order to keep his visa

Apparently Harry DID disclose that he continuous to use drugs and fill refill a new form saying he still does.

US immigration laws state that any foreigner ?determined to be a drug abuser? is classed as ?inadmissible? - though immigration officials can use their discretion to waive the rule.

He's a prince, the rule will be waived.

[HistoryGirl2]

^I think the word ?abuser? probably allows for some discretion on the part of the immigration officer, so if he disclosed it, I?m not shocked it didn?t have any effect on his entry. I don?t know what the track record is on regular drug users being allowed entry into the United States though. I did hear that Nigella Lawson was barred from entry for a time after admitting *** use, but I?m afraid I?m not versed well-enough in that case to speak on it intelligently.

However, it does open up an interesting conversation. If we wanna talk about racism and privilege?something that Meghan and Harry have been congratulated for ?tackling??it does not escape me that people with a darker skin tone are often highly scrutinized in terms of drug use and abuse by US immigration.

That would actually be something he could point to that highlights how race affects perception.

[wannable]

He is a drug abuser, which means the 'habitual' taking of illegal drugs. 

^ No black UK citizen has been banned entry Visa to the USA, so far 3 white people, 2 famous 1 random.

The 3 are *** users. Harry said marihuana does nothing for him but *** does.
The *** is a Class A drug.

[HistoryGirl2]

Well, there?s drug users and drug abusers, I?m saying US immigration gets to decide what they perceive as a drug abuser who should not enter the US.

I can?t speak for black UK citizens, but I know plenty of people from South and Central America are heavily scrutinized for any possible drug intake.

[changemhysoul]

I saw the news from that apparently, Harry hasn't confirmed if he and his family are coming yet and the cut off date was Monday.

Their team hasn't been made.

Perfect.

I feel like we can take this all as them not going and everyone can stop talking about it. They missed the cut-off date and as non-working royals and non-important royals and royals who are disliked and unwanted by the family (which, hey, fair!) as "close friends of the family" "royal aids" "unnamed royal sources" and the Royal Rota, close friends of the RF say, they can be held to the same standard as other guests. You don't give us a yes or no, you don't have a seat. It works out for everyone.

Tho, If they did come, I realize I'm not worried about them being booed. In fact, I doubt that it'd be for them, it seems like members of the RF have that covered themselves but if they do show up, the media and those royal watching will be sure to try and pin it on them.


Harry, also isn't a drug abuser, as much as people want that narrative to be pushed. None of us are are his doctors or medical professionals that are actually in direct contact with him to make that judgement.

Saying and wishing it, doesn't make it true. No matter how much one might want it to be true. 

[wannable]

The 2 famous and 1 random UK ctizens did exactly the same as Harry publicly.  The random one was the most paid the price, she didn't say nothing publicly, she was denied a Visa because of a text message in whatsapp 2 years ago to a friend, she provided a blood test, cleared and her AA weekly meetings. Now, that the US has access to private messages is part of their Homeland Security, someone in twitter copy/pasted it. They can intervene phone calls, past text messages, etc.

Conclusion, if you're a random, you're totally doomed. If you're a famous musician and/or chef glorifying the use, you're also doomed. If you're a Prince of the UK system of government, you're waivered. Biden, the President, the son is in the same situation, other than being a US citizen, it's let's say media agreement to be saved by a possible savaging of that media, both CNN and Fox News are holding it, will probably release it once the president is gone. 

Bad deeds usually come out to the light of the public, sooner or later, never fails.

[HistoryGirl2]

Conclusion, if you're a random, you're totally doomed. If you're a famous musician and/or chef glorifying the use, you're also doomed. If you're a Prince of the UK system of government, you're waivered. Biden, the President, the son is in the same situation, other than being a US citizen, is let's say media agreement to be saved by a possible savaging of that media, both CNN and Fox News are holding it, will probably release it once the president is gone. 

Thems the rules. That?s where the word privilege comes into play. That?s my main sticking point with Harry. He focuses on all the ways he?s ?persecuted? while ignoring the fact that he wasn?t just born on third base, he was born with a home run already on the docket.

[wannable]

^^The latest rumor today is Harry will go, Meghan will stay home. Will they won't they is still a game until 6th May. A last minute show at the doors of Westminster would surely grab the headlines worldwide! But the consequences would be devastating for the duo.

What I don't know, but with story development - can comment IS will the couple keep playing the game of not RSVPing?! Surely they DO know the likes of the POTUS/FLOTUS did RSVP the wife, media power The Washington Post editor article stating the bad form of the couple, and the etc. of this is not a good look.

[wannable]

Thems the rules. That?s where the word privilege comes into play. That?s my main sticking point with Harry. He focuses on all the ways he?s ?persecuted? while ignoring the fact that he wasn?t just born on third base, he was born with a home run already on the docket.

Yes, sorry, I just read your previous comment, I was only thinking about the racist part of IF a black person. But yes, a privileged person that his/her father is a power governing body as the example I just gave is in actual ''motion''. Harry is not a musician or a chef or a random, he is the son of a King.

[HistoryGirl2]

^You know the irony of the whole thing is that if he admitted that and just moved on with his life, most people would find him a lot more likable. He can?t do anything about the fact that he?s the son of a king. He just is. There?s no need for him to apologize over it. But it?s the constant victim act whilst enjoying all that privilege that is so off-putting to a lot of people, myself included.

Disappointing, as I, at first, genuinely believed he might not be so wrapped up in the whole ?prince? thing. But that?s my mistake, not his.

[wannable]

A huge majority of nepo babies have that attitude.  There is a very teeny-weeny number of nepo babies that are not in that abuse the privilege status quo. 

Fortune 500 April issue have ID'd both sides of the nepo baby coin.  The best teeny weeny thumbs up for sweating/working like if they were poor in a good way without using their parents name and fortune to ''get there'' according to their analysis is Jessica Pegula, #3 WTA in the world tennis player, full credit to her, matter of fact she uses her own inherited money to help other female players with the condition that these players are poor and have the hard work attitude and talent to be a full time pro.  Hands down to her.  :notworthy: and that she is a she/female too as the Fortune 500 none abusive nepo baby. 

ETA: HistoryGirl I agree with you, IF nepo babies weren't so put it in your face, and just get along with it, which BTW, this group was also classified by Fortune 500, especially children from famous actor/actress stars that ADMIT to get a major role, but are mediocre, but don't mind stating it, but years go by - they aren't sticking the finger in the wound of the lines of people trying to get a part, are okay'd by society. 

The group of nepo baby shenanigans trashing left and right, especially family is the last group, undesired situation, Prince Harry.

[HistoryGirl2]

I think gratitude and humility are key attributes in life because they?ll keep you grounded regardless of your circumstance?and help you adjust if ever you fall off the pedestal. His trouble is the inability to see how much he has because he?s too focused on what he hasn?t got.

[wannable]

True, but regretfully, Prince Harry hasn't showed that.  I Edited and added in my previous comment agreeing with you about Prince Harry with the IF's and But's.

Imagine IF Zara Anne Elizabeth Phillips, ''constantly' by her own mouth said to the media, sticking the finger to the public, I have horses because I'm rich, I live in a huge compound where every corner has a mansion, and the mansion to mansion distance needs to be done by a vehicle, walking is too far. I'm an olympic champion because my dad and mom have this lifestyle. Like EVERYONE knows she used this privilege, BUT she doesn't rub it in. It was said once or thrice by the UK MEdia, and she DIDN'T hit back or sulked or trashed the press, because she knows she's a nepo but proved her grit with working hard as an athlete.  I think this is the best example that I can provide from the British Royal Family. OR Prince William highschool ETON swimming instructors stating his i.e. 100 freestyle or butterfly ''record'' equates to he can be part of the GB swimming team, but William declined. End of, all the media reported it, wrote several times to get his attention, he stayed mute, didn't react, didn't ''feed'' the story.

[HistoryGirl2]

^True, Zara is a good example of someone who has had unbelievable privilege, but she just gets on with it. Having heard her interviews, she also greatly credits her parents and upbringing for helping her achieve what she?s achieved. I?m sure her life has had challenges as well growing up as the granddaughter of a queen, but the positives clearly outweigh the negatives.

And it?s completely fine if the negatives were to outweigh the positives for Harry. That?s what I thought when he first announced he and Meghan were leaving. He didn?t seem to enjoy the job all that much toward the end, so I thought he?d made a wise choice to leave. But to constantly bring up the RF is just tacky, in my opinion. It?s something a third tier celebrity would do to prove they?re relevant.

That?s actually a really good word to sum up what I personally feel about the Sussexes: tacky.  Not evil, not wicked, not even particularly that harmful. Just tacky.

[wannable]

Gratitude and humility as you said. Very wise of Zara and might I add Prince William too, in his case, via his father's senior staff protecting William (and as we've all discussed lately about Harry not being grateful with what his father's staff did for him protecting him, etc. then continued by W/H staff, where the UK media as I understand DO have some stories that weren't published but they are sitting on it, Harry must be crazy) , he, William was what 17 then.  They didn't hit back with the media doing their best to keep the story live, using a bit of nastiness of his privilege. If I recall well, Charles CH staff (before W and H had officially their own staff) diverted the story to William's friends joking about William's body with ''that Speedo' shorts. Light hearted situation, ends. William is going to University.

Yesterday a famous NBA black player said he learned to play ''better' watching youtube of a famous white NBA player of the long distant past who was a NEPO = someone with money who lived with rich dad and mom who has a huge garden and a special shed converted into a basketball court, who after school, practiced and practiced.  This white NBA retired nepo doesn't wave it left and right like a flag, he is humbled, said it once (yesterday) and the previous 20 years ago, didn't even talk about it. Gratitude and humility.

[HistoryGirl2]

Publicly, I always find it best not to focus on oneself. And when you do, try to have some form of perspective. I think private conversations with very close friends or a therapist are different. You kind of work through your thoughts and actions and you can say things that you might come to regret should they ever get out because you can trust that they won?t be repeated. Once they?re said out loud for the public record, they can?t be unheard. Churchill?s quote is apt: ?We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out.?

Look at some of the things we heard Charles say during the War of the Waleses. There are still people that will not forget them. You have to be very careful when you speak publicly and try to think in terms of the future, not just for instant gratification.

[wannable]

 :goodpost:

[HistoryGirl2]

^It?s a very old school way of thinking though. Now, all is meant for public consumption and every opportunity to monetize something private is exploited.

[changemhysoul]

The Royal Family twitter limited comments under the post about Charles and Camilla, which I understand, they don't want to be swarmed with stuff.

It would've been nice if that grace had been extended to Meghan so people weren't allowed to leave racist comments or Archie or Lili when post about them popped up. They learned how to limit nasty comments or hide them during the Jubilee when the Queen was alive, anything nasty or even just comments talking about the tax-payer but racist comments about the kids were allowed to be up.

One rule of them, another for Meghan and the kids.