A New Chapter Part 8

[Princess Cassandra]

Your comment is the most honest and insightful comment here that I have read and yet there are some others that are very honest and insightful also.  As we grew up, I would like to think we learn to take responsibility for our actions, decisions and choices in life and that we also learn to treat our family with the same respect that they have given us as children then adults.

Thank you. I guess you can see that I am only trying to be honest and not mean. I heard people today saying that the King should be extending an olive branch, and that is what prompted me to post the comment. 

[Nightowl]

Thank you. I guess you can see that I am only trying to be honest and not mean. I heard people today saying that the King should be extending an olive branch, and that is what prompted me to post the comment.

Thank you for your support, I also do not want to be mean, yet as I have been told many times in life, I am a hard as* person now, life's lessons have a way of teaching us to be strong and stand up for ourselves, specifically women.  I really am disgusted with what they did, that Oprah interview will never go away as it is out there forever and to do that while Philip was in the hospital and then went home to die was so despicable and then to continue again and again with threats I know something and a book, then with HM slowly but surely on her last moments in life they did not go visit her in Balmoral.....NObody can ever erase what they did, there is NO way to put a positive spin on it for again it is out there on the internet for everyone to read and that is ON Harry and Meghan only.   In my opinion, they not only bad mouthed the royal family, HM, Charles and William and the monarchy, that also included the entire country for after all who is the head of the monarchy, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II no less.  That is *Betrayal* of the entire country...you just do NOT do that to one's country and the head of the country and family all because they did not get their own way in life.......good grief, these are not 3 year old children throwing a fit, these are so called Adults who know better......I had a hard time watching the funeral and all that went with it as I thought of my sister who passed away the end of April and how deeply she loved HM. I wish no ill on the Sussex's and that they have a great life and make tons of money in Ca and leave those alone elsewhere to do the job required of them in peace..will that happen, not holding my breath on that either...

[Curryong]

 
Harry has never bad-mouthed Britain. Britain isn?t the monarchy and the monarchy isn?t Britain. If those who think it is melded together in some gigantic knot I suggest a visit to Wales, Scotland, the north of England (especially in the larger cities) for a fuller picture of how Britons view the monarch, as well as a chat to British people under 30 about the monarchy, and they might get a very different picture.

Harry also never publicly criticised the Queen or his grandfather Prince Philip. He was very fond of them and they of him. Philip had a talk with old friend Giles Brandreth in his last year and his friend reported back that Philip was philosophical about Harry and Meghan leaving,  telling Giles ?that people have to do what they think best with their own lives.?

I would suggest also that 99% of what we get about the Sussexes in Britain and the commonwealth media is through the lens of journalists employed by London tabloids who ?bad-mouthed? Meghan from the beginning. The Press say now she was welcomed ?by the country?. Not by them she wasn?t. Unless headlines like ?Straight outa Compton? and ?exotic blood? are welcoming. When she took up royal duties after marriage she practically couldn?t move without tabloid criticism.

We don?t know that the royals, apart from the York princesses, were especially welcoming or kind to Meghan afterwards, either. She got so low that she felt suicidal. That was in fact verified by Valentine Low of the Times, a critic of hers, who in a throwaway remark stated that he had heard that Meghan was in ?a bad way? all that summer?.

After her baby was born the couple were left isolated, and there is very little evidence that, even before that, the royals were kindhearted, always dropping in kind of people. The Cambridges, and this was reported, never visited them when they were living in Oxfordshire.

People don?t separate themselves from their families for nothing. Meghan couldn?t stand the loneliness and isolation and fell apart. Harry was distressed and decided to support his wife and leave. It defies logic that the Sussexes were constantly being humiliated, isolated by the family and constantly attacked by the Press KP and the RF did nothing to defend them from, and would then not try and put their point of view across somehow.

What have Harry and Meghan done in the period of mourning that has just gone on?  They have been humiliated and insulted, ?-no  Balmoral plane, no uniform for the funeral in spite of two tours of duty in Afghanistan, invited then uninvited to BP, and seated on the second row at the funeral in spite of being the third couple in the land. And yet they sucked it all up and acted with grace and dignity all the time. Even some tabloid journalists expressed sympathy for Harry, and for them to say so is pretty unbelievable.

The West Australian reporting what a journo from the Daily Fail said in sympathy for Harry.

[Curryong]

From the above article


?Truly I did not expect to find myself feeling desperately sorry for Prince Harry.

Yet as the days of mourning for his beloved grandmother passed by, this young man appeared to suffer humiliation after humiliation.

Grief, shame and anger passed continuously across his face and I could only pity a man who still, to me, seems to be the child who followed his mother?s coffin in the full glare of public attention.

Harry was here to take a full part in mourning for the Queen, but I cannot understand why a father who declared his love so openly, and so dearly longed for reconciliation between his two sons, would have spent the days after the death of his mother exposing his second son to constant humiliation.

He has not had his status as a working royal taken away against his will, in the way his uncle Andrew has. He has not been closely involved with a convicted paedophile. He is merely a romantic lad who fell in love and allowed himself to be led by his wife. There?s no crime in that.

Clearly there were conventions that the ?men in suits? would want followed. No uniforms to be worn by non-working royals was the most obvious.

But Charles is King. Within royal protocol, he has all the power. He could have allowed Harry, like his brother William, to wear the uniform of the regiment for which he fought so proudly during two terms of military service in Afghanistan.

Harry served for 10 years in the British Army. His uniform was not gained as a gift from the Queen in recognition of non-active leadership of a particular regiment. It was earned through real bravery, real fighting.?

And yet we watched him burn with embarrassment as he was forced to grieve, on public show, with his medals pinned to a morning suit. He and his wife appeared to have been uninvited from a Buckingham Palace reception during the mourning period. The Prince of Wales and his wife had been there.

We watched the pain on his face as the procession passed the Cenotaph and, while his father and brother, in uniform, were allowed to salute, he was not. A mere nod of the head had to suffice for a young man who, alone of the three, has seen death and destruction on the battlefield.?

[Nightowl]

Just how many more lies do they have to tell yet everything is on the internet, married 3 days before the wedding of the century at a great expense and the archbishop had to come out and deny that comment by Meghan....so any spin on them is moot as everything is out there forever.  Okay we can agree to disagree about the Sussex's, yet they broke the *trust* with the royal family and not everyone in Wales, Scotland and North Ireland is against the monarchy.  HM was the head of the monarchy and represented the country and the commonwealth whether all the people agreed or not......just like where I live, some love Trump and kiss is feet and some dislike him 1,000%......I am of the later part.  I expect all the fans of the Sussex's to come to their defense...and for me, this is NOT about color, it is about character and honesty and integrity all of which I do not see in either one of them.....Some day, way off in the future, their bubble will bust and as everything we do in life at one time or another catches up with us as I well know....oh Karma will work her magic when that bubble is gone. For now, let them mouth off all they want as across the pond they are working during the period of mourning no less....

[Nightowl]

That reception was for *Working members of the royal family* now why would the Sussex's be invited to it as they are NOT working members of the royal family?  When working in a law firm as a certified paralegal I sure would not go to an event I was not a member of.....that is just common sense!  William and Catherine had every right to be there...they actually *work* for the Firm as does the Kent's, the Gloucester's, the Wessex's. There are many members of the royal family that did not go either, the York's, the Zara and Mike and Peter etc.

[Curryong]

I haven?t said below that everyone in Scotland, Wales and the North are against the monarchy. However, for decades the support for the monarchy has been highest in the Home Counties and fades and becomes patchy the further north you go and into Wales.

Nor have I said that it?s ?all about colour?. It was the London tabloids that disgracefully introduced that subject before Harry and Meghan?s engagement.

As for working during the mourning period, Anne, Edward and the Wales?s have all been out and about during that period, in fact over the last few days.

The Sussexes were invited then uninvited to the BP event. BP also did the same sort of thing to CPss Mary of Denmark. She was invited then uninvited to the Queen?s funeral.

[Nightowl]

Every time I turn around and read something about the Sussex's it 99%of the time is about color..and that makes me see red.  We are all born the way our higher power wants us to be, I want to be 6 ft tall,not 5 ft tall, I want green eyes and got brown......for me it is about character of our inner soul that shines on us as individuals....I am a Christian and as my son always tells me when I have an issue with someone , *there is a book Mom that will help you to find an answer*.....it is called The Bible.  I need to read my Bible more.  I feel sorry for the Sussex's, they made a damn mess of their lives in wanting MONEY, that does not bring happiness, peace, joy or containment in life as I darn well know for sure (the ex got 99.99% of the money and has 3 houses and is still a miserable human being....LOL).   As the saying goes, Money buys *things* not happiness as Deb would say.

Seems BP needs an overhaul in communications dept for they are messing things up big time with royals.  I would be a bit peeved also if I was Mary or Harry.

[Curryong]

I don?t think Meghan?s racial background is mentioned in the UK Press any more. It might be in the US media because of the history of ****people in the US. There seems to be a great deal of discussion about race there.

@Curryong
****This term is considered offensive in the United States, please do not use it here at RIF.

[Nightowl]

Yes, race is a huge issue in my country and getting worse by the hour is seems like. I think all big cities here have the same problems about race.....I as a white woman have had such horrible racial issues directed at me because I am white.....so in some ways I try to understand Meghan yet I think she uses that at times to make herself noticed or an issue noticed. One thing I noticed about Meghan and what I read is that she is called bio-racial and the black part of her is always front and center yet I ask....whatever happened to the white part of Meghan as she does not look black to me at all, just a normal pretty girl.

I want an  island all to myself if the ex ever pays me the money he owes me...just lots of dogs and whatever 4 legged creature want to join me. Chicago at times I think is on the brink of a race war here, 2 years ago it was hell living here. As a single white woman you learn real quick to keep yourself safe while living in a city...real darn quick!

[Amabel2]

are you saying that a normal pretty girl (Meg is 40) can't be African American?

[Nightowl]

are you saying that a normal pretty girl (Meg is 40) can't be African American?

Please Do not put words into my mouth that I did not speak okay. Meghan regardless of her color or age or race looks like a pretty normal girl to me.  Just like the thousands of pretty normal girls I see each day when walking down the street or running an errand.  Age, color and race have NOTHING to do with my comment, period.

[Amabel2]

when you say that she does not look black to you, just a normal pretty girl, that seems to imply that a black woman would not be a normal pretty girl.

[Nightowl]

when you say that she does not look black to you, just a normal pretty girl, that seems to imply that a black woman would not be a normal pretty girl.

Please read my entire comment.........I do not look at anyone, male or female because of their color, be they black , white, red, yellow with pink polka dots and green strips, please understand that.   

[Amabel2]

sorry -you're confusing me so I will gieve up.

[wannable]

He did not receive the news of his grandmother's death as quickly as the rest of the immediate family. He was still in the air on his way to Balmoral, but he was told as soon as was possible, certainly before the news was made public.

His own fault, instead of fighting with Charles over the phone, he should have gotten on the chauffeured car to the RAF jet where W, A, E and S where waiting for him for 1 hour!

Clearly there were conventions that the men in suits would want followed. No uniforms to be worn by non-working royals was the most obvious.

That's the rule, HMKCIII allowed his brother and son to wear uniform for the Vigil, Harry wasn't yet happy because he still wanted the Aide de Camp insignia.

Why were they stuck on the row behind the King in the Abbey, out of the way and, in Meghan's case, in Windsor, hidden behind a huge candle?

Right!, the author, who would she take away from the front row? The only way to pick IS one of HMQEII ''children'' to replace with her 'grandson and wife'.

[Curryong]

Right!, the author, who would she take away from the front row? The only way to pick IS one of HMQEII ''children'' to replace with her 'grandson and wife'. End Quote.

There weren?t just the children of HM on the front row at WA. Besides William, Kate and George and Charlotte   and the Queen?s children there were on the front row Zara and Mike Tindall and Peter Phillips, none of whom were the Queen?s children. Anne?s children are in fact way behind Harry in the line of succession. Harry (and wife) rank third behind the King and Queen, and the Wales adults as the third couple in the land. So if the front row had to be replaced by the Sussexes then Anne?s children and Mike should have gone. They are non working royals after all.

[wannable]

As were the York sisters and their husbands, second row.

The only non eldest in the eldest front row was the Prince of Wales, William and his family.

Peter and Zara are eldest to Harry

[Curryong]

As were the York sisters and their husbands.

The York sisters aren?t the new monarch?s children, and again are way behind Harry in succession and precedence.

Yes, the excuse given by BP was that it went by age of the grandchildren, except that Sarah split up her children with her seat. However the public perception, and that was all over the Press and the Internet, was that the Sussexes were being snubbed. I was pleased to see that was righted at the Committal ceremony when the Sussexes were next to the Wales at St George?s.

[wannable]

The Westminster Abbey seating arrangement is minus The King, Queen Consort, PPOW's in order of birth with their spouses.

[Curryong]

Then why, if you knew why the seating had been ordered that way, (by order of birth of grandchildren) the statement of yours that Harry and Meghan would have to replace two of the Queen?s children? I quoted you on it.

Right!, the author, who would she take away from the front row? The only way to pick IS one of HMQEII ''children'' to replace with her 'grandson and wife'. End Quote.

[wannable]

Because the Australian article link you placed, the author was moaning about Harry and Meghan's seating. IF she had studied the picture, she'd know what I've posted in the comments just now.

[Curryong]

It was an article from the Daily Mail (Jenni Murray) which is as you know, an English publication. It was republished in Western Australia. If you knew why the seating arrangements were as they were, your quote doesn?t make sense. There were non working grandchildren on the front row yet you inferred that the author would ?have to  pick two of the Queen?s children as replacements?.

[changemhysoul]

There is 0 proof that Harry argued with his father and the media is projecting anger and sadness on Harry with that E.R thing. You know when else he didn't have it? On his wedding, I highly doubt Harry cared but the British Media need stories to sell and as always Harry (And Meghan) is the highest seller. They came to the UK, attended what they needed to and were largely out-of-sight after that. THAT'S why the media are making up this story because Harry and Meghan didn't give them anything to sink their teeth into and it's pretty clear Harry and Meghan aren't talking to palace staff so they don't have anything real to leak either.

(Because as much as people whine about Harry and Meghan talking, The Palace staff did it first, it's the RF bred and butter before Meghan came along and people need to accept this. It's telling, that the only time information about Harry and Meghan didn't leak, was when dealing with The Queen because the times they did visit her, she didn't even let her aids know it was happening, allowing them to slip in and out. And even then, because the media didn't know about and RR didn't get the scoop, they released endless stories with nasty takes.)

The question isn't "why did Harry argue with his father"

The actual question is, why when this story was reported two weeks ago, the the sources were quite HAPPY to go on about how Harry was snubbed and put in his place and etc. That's what scary about the media, in two weeks, they're already changing to the story from "Prince Charles snubbed Harry and put him his place." to "Prince Harry snubbed his father".

No, Prince Harry wanted his wife with him, his family said no. Fine. Charles and William had already left for Birkhall before Harry arrived at Balmoral. The only difference is two weeks later, someone realized that maybe, it wasn't the greatest look to happily run to the papers to tell people that you're happily snubbing your son when you should be focused on grieving. The put out that story, it backfired on them and now they want to change the narrative to it was Prince Harry's fault. Honestly, leave the man alone for this. He should up, did what he had to do and then left. The Sun originally released the story and now The Sun is trying to change the story and Page Six already posted a rebuttal, which was the original story that The Sun posted, Charles was already gone by the time Harry arrived. And Harry just like load's of the other kids got there after The Queen had already passed but that isn't a juicy enough story and we need to release as many articles putting Harry in his place and telling him he doesn't matter as much as we can.

We don?t know that the royals, apart from the York princesses, were especially welcoming or kind to Meghan afterwards, either. She got so low that she felt suicidal. That was in fact verified by Valentine Low of the Times, a critic of hers, who in a throwaway remark stated that he had heard that Meghan was in ?a bad way? all that summer?.

This is the part I want to highlight and why I don't care if Harry and Meghan went on Orpah or if Harry releases a book or whatever. This is also the reason why I don't care for the poor 'woe as me' briefing from anyone in or related to the palace or anything. They get mad at Harry and Meghan for leaking, the staff is running to the press about how they can't trust the Sussex's...while speaking out both sides of their mouth because someone thought that, instead of helping Meghan with she came to them with her thoughts of feeling suicidal, she couldn't get help but they were able to run to a reporter and brief the press about her mental health.

There is all of this talk of the firm and the family can't trust Harry and Meghan, when they don't seem to realize that Harry and Meghan stopped trusting them first.

And I'm not saying you agree with me but that point with Valentine Low, that's one big reason why I'll believe the whole "never complain, never explain" and they don't talk to the press or leak.

[wannable]

She could be from Chunga Changa, she didn't do her homework.