Duke and Duchess of Sussex - Return Visits to the UK

[sandy]

I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about reactions to her from the moment she was seen as Harry's date.

[wannable]

It is yet a normal human reaction; too long courtship Kate criticized, too short courtship Diana and Meghan criticized,  couple that with Chef Cory timeline she gets cynical comments.

It's not easy to be a public figure. Scrutiny.

[Curryong]

there are blogs because there  are a lot of people who don't like her.  And it seems to me  that their financial advisers and PR people are not up to much.  We shall see how much money they make

QueeAlex. The vast majority of the anti Meghan Tumblr sites began in November 2016. That was also the moment that Samantha began her vile Twitter campaign. This was at the time that Camilla Tominay broke the news in the British Press that Harry and Meghan were dating.

There were immediately a few negative articles in the tabloids, but these Social Media sites were outraged that the beloved Harry was dating an older woman (lots of comments that she wouldn't be able to have children) an actress (Well WE KNOW what they're like) biracial (racists on those sites came out to play) and divorced, which was forbidden according to these sites, and if they married the Queen wouldn't come to the wedding! There was also criticism that Meghan posted spooning bananas on her The Tig blog.

Care to explain to me why the wave of hatred for a woman that nobody knew except as an image on a TV screen in Suits appeared? Care to explain why there were disgusting allegations promoted on those sites from November 2016, before Meghan had ever been seen with Harry at all? And before anything but the basic facts were known about her?

Meghan issued no statements, did not immediately attend red carpet events to publicise herself, gave no interviews. (The one in Vanity Fair appeared a year and a half later.)

So, hatred expressed towards a woman nobody knew by strangers is apparently fine with you, and please don't say Kate went through it before her because Kate never faced four years of vileness on Tumblr and dozens of Twitter sites, including before she even appeared in public with her husband to-be.   

[wannable]

I wish she was stronger and thick skinned.  All royal girlfriends have been bashed to oblivion. 

None of the girlfriends/fianc?/wife of a royal is loved by everyone.  As a Royal Watcher, out of all the anti Kate blogs from 15 years ago, only 2 keep running, 1 of those recently desisted after the Sussex bombshell demands - the very reason of, as time goes by, people quit because of FillInTheBlank.  To date social media fans and anti fans have also reduced in numbers significantly because of the infamous 8th January.

Each person has their own 'idealism', so fault will always be sought from the girlfriend a Prince has chosen. 

[sandy]

No not all Royal girlfriends have. Meghan from the get go has had the following said in blogs and DM: She and Harry broke up and the pictures of them together were fake, The Queen could not stand Meghan so she was airbrushed into the photo of Harry, Meghan, DOria, and Archie, People brought up an extra husband that Meghan had, Meghan had a secret child, Meghan is a narcissist. Harry hopefully will "come to his senses," Sign the petition to stop the wedding, Meghan can't have children, and the extreme ones talked about her going into a Tunnel in Paris. I never ever saw this with any other royal girlfriend. Even Fergie.

It is yet a normal human reaction; too long courtship Kate criticized, too short courtship Diana and Meghan criticized,  couple that with Chef Cory timeline she gets cynical comments.

It's not easy to be a public figure. Scrutiny.

Kate did not determine the time of the courtship: William Did.

[TLLK]

I doubt they had/have a back up plan, the couple invested moneys since October 2018 USA websites, March 2019 PPRR Sunshine Sach, Private Lawyers and UK websites with the Sussex Royal, June 2019 formal requests to patent a very large number of items to commercialize under the Sussex Royal umbrella, everything they money spent was Sussex Royal.  All RR's are reporting the couple have to start from scratch and ''rebrand'' everything they had done to date. 

Their private USA staff are amateur, they did not think the British Royal Family/Monarchy/UK Government work as a FIRM (a company). There is no company in the world that permits outsiders/retired or fired employees to use their labels, brands, registered names, etc. Who does that? crooks.

Meghan takes the blame, because it is all happening as soon as Harry married her. Human reaction.

However I do believe that they were "advised" to have a back up plan, however what we don't know is if the Sussexes chose to listen to their advisers  and actually have one.

All royal girlfriends have been bashed to oblivion. 

I believe in the past that it was less obvious, though gossip columnists were just as  keen to  dish a little about girlfriends like Sarah Ferguson. This has definitely been  the case since the advent of the internet royal forums, blogs, online comment sections and social media. We're all aware of what Camilla, Catherine, Chelsey, Cressida, Meghan, Maxima, Letizia, Mary, Mette-Marit, Sofia, Marie,Stephanie, and even Daniel and Mathilde went through. :wacko:

[sandy]

I don't recall any of the other women had death wishes or violence wished on them. Even Sarah Ferguson was called a Breath of Fresh Air when she first came on the scene.

[TLLK]

This has been discussed  many times that these women have had to endure gossip, body shaming, insults, insinuations and threats of violence from a variety of sources ie terrorist groups.

Also in 2019, KP social media had to take action against the many threats of violence against the Duchess of Cambridge and Sussex.
Royal Family threaten to block and report social media trolls to police as they issue new rules in wake of racist and sexist abuse

[sandy]

I recall only Harry had a terrorist threat when he was deployed to the front lines. Different matter.

[TLLK]

 Prince Harry is not the only member of the BRF to have had a terror threat. Recall that fairly recently Prince George along with his St. Thomas Battersea classmates were threatened by a terrorist who was arrested and now is in prison for a minimum sentence of 25 years. Man who urged Prince George attack given life sentence - BBC News
The entire British royal family along with their European, South Asian and Middle Eastern counterparts have also  faced the threat of domestic and foreign  terrorism for decades from the IRA to Islamic terror groups.

As has been discussed many times here, the vast majority of the brides in the European, Asian and Middle Eastern houses have dealt with ugly rumors, speculations, gossip and tabloid coverage from print and online media in addition to social media.

[QueenAlex]

I recall only Harry had a terrorist threat when he was deployed to the front lines. Different matter.

Many royals have terrorist threats, including even children.

[Princess Cassandra]

I don't recall any of the other women had death wishes or violence wished on them. Even Sarah Ferguson was called a Breath of Fresh Air when she first came on the scene.

Yes, many of them did.  One particular example was a commenter on a Danish royal site who hates Crown Princess Mary. The venom and vitriol from that person went on for years. 

[Nightowl]

Yes, many of them did.  One particular example was a commenter on a Danish royal site who hates Crown Princess Mary. The venom and vitriol from that person went on for years.

Yes I remember that and to be honest there is a royal site that is beyond vicious and mean to the Danish Crown Princess and Crown Prince..in fact a dangerous levels at times in my opinion.   

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[Curryong]

Yes I remember that and to be honest there is a royal site that is beyond vicious and mean to the Danish Crown Princess and Crown Prince..in fact a dangerous levels at times in my opinion.   

Yes, that site was and is mean and vicious to Mary. However one forum and one particular poster isn't the same as half a dozen Tumblr sites, hundreds of Twitter sites AND practically every online London tabloid and on occasion, broadsheets, spitting out venom and lies about Meghan, copied again and again by online news sites at a new Royal. Venom for three and a half years, sometimes nasty articles and scuttlebut at the rate of three or four per day. I've posted on all the Royal sites since 2014 and lurked for years before that and been on Twitter for years and can honestly say that I have never seen the venom this woman has received from all sides since 2016.

[sandy]

Just yesterday I saw an especially vile post accusing Meghan of being one of Epstein's women and used by him. These are defamatory and ugly. I never saw any other royal woman accused of such a thing.

[Princess Cassandra]

Yes, that site was and is mean and vicious to Mary. However one forum and one particular poster isn't the same as half a dozen Tumblr sites, hundreds of Twitter sites AND practically every online London tabloid and on occasion, broadsheets, spitting out venom and lies about Meghan, copied again and again by online news sites at a new Royal. Venom for three and a half years, sometimes nasty articles and scuttlebut at the rate of three or four per day. I've posted on all the Royal sites since 2014 and lurked for years before that and been on Twitter for years and can honestly say that I have never seen the venom this woman has received from all sides since 2016.

I think we can all agree she has received an overwhelming amount of viciousness and negativity on tabs and sites.  Out of principle I don't visit those sites, so I can't say that I am knowledgeable about what they say. I'll take your word for it. That sort of unfair evil is wrong and it can't be justified. But here is a caveat: Meghan has left herself open.  She was hurt by it all, but did not learn to keep out of the limelight, which would have helped. She kept giving the evil trolls fodder, unfair as it was. And in the African interview she did not acknowledge it....I assume she just didn't understand. But she proved to me that she is sometimes her own worst enemy. She should have listened to the PR folks.

[sandy]

Meghan really had to be in the limelight once she married Prince Harry. She was expected to be out there working not hidden away. I see no "fodder" for anybody. Everything was picked at, how her ring looked (did she change harry's design what a bad wife they clamored), She had some perspiration seen on her sweater oh the horror, she touched harry, everything but everything was looked at and reviled by the critics on various sites. Even Archie was not spared! How could a royal keep out of the limelight. Kate was criticized for not being seen much. And Meghan would have been criticized for the same thing. when kate touched her stomach when pregnant it was beautiful when Meghan did it was anathema.  What should she have listened to? Not to touch her husband, not to wear her hair a certain way, holding her child was wrong. What could she do? There was no pleasing the critics. The PR people would have had to do something about the trolls but they ignored things like Archie being compared to a chimp. What is there to do? She has proven nothing of the sort to me.

[wannable]

I don't think so, with the 8th of January bomb statement, it came out from all RR's that the Queen HAD given them the option of not having titles nor working for the BRF.  That would have given the couple smaller wedding, and they'd be in a position like Bea and Eugenie.

[sandy]

Harry and Meghan got engaged, they got the wedding. I doubt all the "plans they had for 2020" were in their minds at all. They would do dual appearances and so forth. Bea and Eugenie were never working royals and they get to keep the HRH  and titles in any case.

[wannable]

I used to think so, but after the information of website registrations in the USA as of October 2018, 5 months after the wedding and all what the couple did and still do, disrespecting the Monarchy, anything they do now is not unsurprising.

IMO they plotted way back.

[sandy]

Five months after the wedding is way different from the time of the engagement and wedding.

I disagree they "disrespected" anything. There are some circumstances involved I think that does not make them exclusively to blame.

I disagree with you.

[wannable]

The couple did it publicly, all of it, drama/soap opera against their own family/monarchy/the sovereign/the UK government, they could have done all of it privately and when everyone was happy with the outcome, publish it simultaneously from their website and the Sovereign's household.  But not.

Their stunt made outlets carry out investigative journalism, hence the timeframe of website dates, private lawyers, private public relations hiring, etc.

[sandy]

Nothing was made public until January and the Queen wrote she "knew" about it.

It was not a "stunt" they are serious about it.

[TLLK]

The couple did it publicly, all of it, drama/soap opera against their own family/monarchy/the sovereign/the UK government, they could have done all of it privately and when everyone was happy with the outcome, publish it simultaneously from their website and the Sovereign's household.  But not.

Their stunt made outlets carry out investigative journalism, hence the timeframe of website dates, private lawyers, private public relations hiring, etc.

I think we can all agree she has received an overwhelming amount of viciousness and negativity on tabs and sites.  Out of principle I don't visit those sites, so I can't say that I am knowledgeable about what they say. I'll take your word for it. That sort of unfair evil is wrong and it can't be justified. But here is a caveat: Meghan has left herself open.  She was hurt by it all, but did not learn to keep out of the limelight, which would have helped. She kept giving the evil trolls fodder, unfair as it was. And in the African interview she did not acknowledge it....I assume she just didn't understand. But she proved to me that she is sometimes her own worst enemy. She should have listened to the PR folks.

I agree that it would have been better for the couple to listen to the advice of their own UK based team when it came to the documentary and their subsequent announcement on January 8 2020.

With Brexit looming at the end of January 2020 clearly the monarch and the British government had other priorities that required their attention. I wish that the Sussexes had chosen to wait to release their initial statement after Brexit.