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wannable

#275
October 10, 2021, 06:09:38 PM
This was authorized gossip by Charles, Anne, Edward and William for the 'firm'. The Queen's money helping her disgraced son is 'motherly'.  She has her  '' I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service.'' So basically, even IF she doesn't approve or agree with C, A, E and W, she can't sue them or the media because the wording of ALL the articles has to do with ''duty'', which Andrew is out for life.

The alleged William source said it best in reference to W's thoughts of his Uncle Andrew, 'ungracious and ungrateful' attitude towards his position.

I won't blame the Daily Mail, they are copying/pasting by purchasing the Times copyright the original article. The Times isn't a tabloid.

PrincessOfPeace

#276
October 10, 2021, 09:58:42 PM
Scotland Yard has said it will take 'no further action' over sex abuse allegations made against Prince Andrew.
Force said it had conducted two reviews into allegations surrounding Jeffrey Epstein and the Duke of York.

Met Police DROPS investigation into Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein

Curryong

#277
October 10, 2021, 11:23:51 PM
It was extremely doubtful from the beginning that the Yard would take ?any further action?, so that doesn?t come as a surprise. That doesn?t mean that Virginia?s claims have no merit, nor that the civil suit won?t be pursued in NY. And it certainly doesn?t mean that Andrew is going to go back to his life as a working royal as a result of the decision. He?s done as far as any public life is concerned.

TLLK

#278
October 11, 2021, 07:09:33 PM Last Edit: October 11, 2021, 07:15:40 PM by TLLK
Camilla Tominey's perspective on whether or not the DoY could be "rehabilitated" by some miracle and return to public life.  :no:
Prince Andrew will need a miracle to return to public life - even if his name is cleared - YouTube

QuotePrince Andrew is now facing a three-week deadline to a decade-long saga.

Lawyers representing the Duke?s long time accuser, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, lodged a document with the New York court confirming that it had on Monday delivered the claim to his American counsel, Andrew Brettler, by both email and FedEx. Prince Andrew now will have 21 days to file a response or risk a judgment by default.

But according to The Telegraph's Associate Editor Camilla Tominey, even being legally cleared of any wrongdoing might not be enough to rehabilitate the Duke of York.

"Regardless of any legal outcome, the problem for the Duke of York is that he's been found guilty in the court of public opinion", Camilla said, "the stench of that still lingers".

In the latest episode of Royal Insight, Camilla Tominey looks into how the Duke is currently perceived by the public and why it would be so difficult, in the current climate, to reverse his reputation and bring him back to public life.

It's very unlikely even if Tominey's example of  Andrew heroically diving into a body of water to save a drowning victim were to come true, Andrew has been considered to have  a reputation of being boorish and difficult for many years now. Even if he were to be cleared and the civil suit dropped, he's still a massive liability due to his extremely poor judgement when it came to his association with Jeffrey Epstein. Now while he's a military veteran and  there's some sympathy for his daughters IMO, it's not enough to really ever have a positive influence on Andrew's overall reputation.

sara8150

#279
October 12, 2021, 02:22:47 AM Last Edit: October 12, 2021, 02:42:24 AM by sara8150
Prince Andrew is seen for first time after Met Police DROPPED probe | Daily Mail Online

DAN WOOTTON: Prince Andrew is a gambler willing to bet the fate of his family on beating sex scandal | Daily Mail Online

Prince Andrew has become 'isolated' from the Royal Family, editor claims | Daily Mail Online

Prince William Considers Prince Andrew's Legal Battles 'Really Dangerous' to the Monarchy: Report | PEOPLE.com

London Police Taking No Further Action Against Prince Andrew | PEOPLE.com

Prince Andrew: Met Police taking 'no further action' after reviewing sexual assault claims against Duke of York | UK News | Sky News

Met decision to drop Prince Andrew inquiry ?no surprise?, says ally | Prince Andrew | The Guardian

Prince Andrew 'blocked from Prince Charles? royal banquet' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
Due investigation of Jeffrey Epstein

Andrew's lawyers have 'changed their tactics' 'Not a good place for Royal Family member' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Police drop criminal probe in Andrew alleged sex crimes investigation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Police drop sex crimes probe into Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince William is 'no fan of uncle Andrew' and sees Duke of York as a 'threat' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Police ordered to reveal 'crucial evidence' on Prince Andrew's trial | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Andrew: Ex-police chief's outrage at Met's decision to drop sex probe - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew is 'only person in world' clinging to return to public life, says expert - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew 'banned from eating with Charles and other senior royals at banquet' - Mirror Online
Due investigation of Jeffrey Epstein

Prince Andrew: Why the Metropolitan police will take no further action in Giuffre case - Mirror Online

Prince Andrew grins in his Range Rover after police drop sex claim probe against him without speaking to accuser

Former senior Met cop slams force for dropping sex crime probe into Prince Andrew

Metropolitan Police to take no further action against Prince Andrew following review of sexual assault claims ? Royal Central

Charles, Anne and Edward weigh into the Prince Andrew row ? Royal Central

wannable

#280
October 25, 2021, 08:52:14 PM


Source: Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Managing Editor, @LawCrimeNews Previously: Reporter, @CourthouseNews

TLLK

#283
October 27, 2021, 01:45:04 PM
Prince Andrew to be ?invisible? during the Platinum Jubilee celebrations so he doesn?t distract from The Queen?s special year ? Royal Central

QuoteThe Duke of York will be ?invisible? from The Queen?s Platinum Jubilee celebrations next year so as not to distract from the events marking Her Majesty?s 70 years on the throne.

A US court has scheduled his sexual abuse lawsuit at a time that is likely to clash with Her Majesty?s jubilee celebrations.

Speaking to The Sun, a royal source said that Prince Andrew will be ?invisible? during the four days of national celebration which will take place from June 2 to June 5 next year.

It is unlikely that the 61-year-old will appear at any royal event for the Jubilee, including the balcony appearance alongside his family at Buckingham Palace.

When approached by The Sun, neither Buckingham Palace nor a spokesperson for the Duke of York offered any comment.

Royal expert Nigel Cawthorne told the newspaper: ?It is very sensible otherwise the attention would all be on Andrew.

?It is an embarrassing situation for the Queen especially as she is stumping up for his defence. He just has to keep his head down.?

It's a reasonable decision in my opinion and I don't expect that too many members of the public will miss seeing him.

Nightowl

#288
October 30, 2021, 06:52:47 AM
Oh Andrew has really made a mess of his life when he had the opportunity to do so many good things for his country and others in need.  Karma has a way of coming back to bite really hard when she wants to and his turn is coming very soon.

Curryong

#289
October 30, 2021, 10:32:13 AM
Andrew will have to answer these allegations in detail in Court, but not necessarily in person.

Catherine Oxenberg, second cousin to Andrew met Epstein on several occasions and knew Ghislaine Maxwell rather better. She has written a book on those encounters and conversations, aptly titled ?Trash?. Though why anyone would want to pursue their acquaintance, God knows.

wannable

#290
October 30, 2021, 11:51:50 AM
An arrogant fool who was destined to get in trouble. Red 🚩 since 20 plus years ago.

TLLK

#291
October 30, 2021, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: Nightowl on October 30, 2021, 06:52:47 AM
Oh Andrew has really made a mess of his life when he had the opportunity to do so many good things for his country and others in need.  Karma has a way of coming back to bite really hard when she wants to and his turn is coming very soon.
:goodpost:

Curryong

#293
October 31, 2021, 01:37:19 AM Last Edit: October 31, 2021, 01:40:54 AM by Curryong
According to Andrew he knew nothing about Epstein?s nefarious activities. Now all of a sudden he knows who was doing what during the whole operation. And, if he believed that Guiffre acted as a sort of Madam for Epstein and presumably Ghislaine, what does that say about his friendships! There wouldn?t be too many men who are anxious to advertise that they were best friends with a man who enjoyed playing around with young girls but also that he himself slept with a girl who recruited others for a sex ring.

wannable

#294
October 31, 2021, 04:23:51 PM Last Edit: October 31, 2021, 04:28:31 PM by wannable
Through investigation, Virginia's family members, other people attached to her who benefited with moneys made, her mother who can't keep shut, the American lawyers of Andrew were able to make a file of her activities. Andrew has money (investigators daily life, expenses, hotel, travel, gas, food, going from one town to another, to get factual proof, no proof it remains a gossip) so these lawyers were able to get everything that supports Viriginia's activities. Other than the mother, the ex boyfriend was able to give a lot of information which A's lawyers were able to find receitps.

Usually when one hires a lawyer in a civil lawsuit, the lawyers usually will do their best to find all the skeletons of the opponent. The more damaging the file, it might serve to dismiss a case.

It's not the first time, when in a court of law a 'precedent' is set, it goes in the books of law, so future law decisions can be made by other similar cases, etc.

Not everyone likes Lady C, but she did a video months ago stating that Andrew's lawyers were able to get  a lot of proof and make a file.  Basically the mother and ex boyfriend gave most of the information and that information was able to be backed up with proof of receipts.  One of Andrew's lawyers is a friend of Lady C.

Curryong

#295
October 31, 2021, 07:23:31 PM Last Edit: October 31, 2021, 07:36:31 PM by Curryong
Even if Andrew?s lawyers bring a 1,000 pro-Andrew documents into Court, even if Guiffre is proven a liar on every point, even if the judge dismisses the case against him, that is not going to assist Andrew in the Court of public opinion.

He still has the friendship with Epstein, after that individual was named as a sex predator and went to jail, to be explained, ditto the visits to his that NY mansion, to the island where young girls were available for sex. Still has the evidence of his long friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell, who will almost certainly go to jail after her trial for her activities. He has also tried his hardest to wriggle out of this civil case by all means possible. Not a good look!

And if this trial is not dismissed Virginia Guiffre also has money, and no doubt witnesses, including other women who also had Andrew grope and assault them.

Andrew is finished as a working royal for all time. His money, or rather his mother?s bank balance, won?t get him out of this one.

As for Lady C, I can imagine her mixing socially with high powered and slimy lawyers.

It?s still remembered in the UK that she was on a British breakfast TV programme and came out in hot defence of Andrew, stating that he was not a paedophile. The rest of the guests and the hosts were shocked and disgusted beyond measure at her attitude.

Lady Colin Campbell defends Prince Andrew on GMB

?Soliciting sex from a minor is not paediphilia?. ?Someone aged 14 is not a child?. Really! ??!!

wannable

#296
October 31, 2021, 08:05:38 PM
I think he only wants to win the case. So he can vacation and travel his early retirement/rest of his life.

Everything else Royal related, he knows he will never serve. Charles Edward Anne and William already told him no.

Curryong

#297
October 31, 2021, 08:09:47 PM
In addition there is a difference between Civil suits and Criminal prosecutions.

US law, as in most English-speaking and in Commonwealth jurisdictions, took its legal system largely from England. That system has grown to be based, in its Criminal or Common-law courts, upon a mixed pattern of statute law, based on Acts passed by Parliament over the centuries, and English Common-law practices which often became based upon custom or precedent over many centuries.

Civil Law developed very differently.

1. Common Law as Differentiated from Civil Law

The American system is a ?common law? system, which relies heavily on court precedent in formal adjudications. In our common law system, even when a statute is at issue, judicial determinations in earlier court cases are extremely critical to the court?s resolution of the matter before it.

Civil law systems rely less on court precedent and more on codes, which explicitly provide rules of decision for many specific disputes. When a judge needs to go beyond the letter of a code in disposing of a dispute, the judge?s resolution will not become binding or perhaps even relevant in subsequent determinations involving other parties.

wannable

#298
October 31, 2021, 08:15:08 PM
So what are you saying?

It's a civil lawsuit. That he hasn't traveled to let's say Spain to play his annual golf is a precaution.

wannable

#299
October 31, 2021, 08:17:38 PM
Basically, he hasn't traveled anywhere out of the UK. If he wanted to, the advice is don't. For whatever reason, covid19,  your tattered image, harm from a nut, kidnapping, many options.
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