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[TLLK]

Well that is sad when you think about it. Her family might have not been able to do anything about her marriage, but they could have embraced her more when she needed them. Their attitude towards Diana is very strange, almost like she was an afterthought. I do wonder if she was bullied by them growing up...

Well I do tend to agree that Diana was a bit of an afterthought to her parents. Her siblings were known to tease her for her academic struggles and called her "Brian" after a slow witted snail cartoon character. :(

I think the doctors sent to her were not exactly the best choices. They could have referred her to Lipsedge. If they had no ideas about Diana's condition it is their problem. I don't get why Diana keeps being given all the responsiblity fo the doctors shortcomings.

@sandy- It is vital that patients share their symptoms and conditions with all healthcare professionals or else they risk ineffective treatment. Yes adult patients do have a responsibility to be as honest as possible with their healthcare specialists. Diana was an adult but she knew at some level that her binge eating/purging behavior was unhealthy but she couldn't stop herself. This is why she required the assistance of a psychiatrist who specialized in eating disorders. Why would doctors  recommend her to a psychiatrist that specialized in eating disorders if she went to great lengths to conceal the fact that she was binge eating and purging? She was doing her best to hide this from everyone.  Unless Diana was ready to share with mental healthcare professionals the manner in which she was taking comfort (binge eating for her anxiety and depression) and then the means of which she was controlling her weight (purging), how would they know she had an eating disorder? She was not anorexic like her sister Sarah who was starving herself by extreme reduction in her food intake. Diana was seen by staff to be eating. She didn't want anyone to know about her purging though Charles was aware of it later. He could/should have urged her to get assistance, but she wasn't ready to admit that she had an issue and therefore wouldn't be receptive to treatment. Keep in mind her friends had to threaten her with public exposure by the media to force her into accepting that she had a problem and needed help.

[sandy]

Diana was certainly not an afterthought. DIana was planned because JOhn wanted a male heir. The children were  planned and the first male Heir JOhn died soon after his birth so John and Frances had to try again. Frances had a pregnancy after John and before DIana (she miscarried) and was nervous about even telling JOhn lest he have another 'disappointment' that the baby was a girl.

Doctors have a responsibility to. Let's just suppose a patient has the binge and purge and may be ignorant about what she or he has (this is not about Diana just a general statement), then it is clearly up to the doctors to come up with a diagnosis and treatment.

Both Sarah and DIana had eating disorders.

Diana knew she felt sick at Balmoral and told MOrton this. The royals thought she was being a "problem" even about the morning sickness because the royal women never had it.

[TLLK]

Doctors have a responsibility to. Let's just suppose a patient has the binge and purge and may be ignorant about what she or he has (this is not about Diana just a general statement), then it is clearly up to the doctors to come up with a diagnosis and treatment.

@sandy-How are doctors to know about this unless the adult patient or the parents of a child/teen tell them that the patient is binging and purging.  :shrug: Unless they happen to catch the patient in the act..the patient or their parent/conservator/guardian has to be the one to explain why they've booked an appointment about a suspected case of binge eating and purging. A physician might suspect that there is a problem if there are physical symptoms but the patient or his/her parent has to confirm this before an exam can happen.

Patient Responsibilities | American Medical Association

Successful medical care requires ongoing collaboration between patients and physicians. Their partnership requires both individuals to take an active role in the healing process.

Autonomous, competent patients control the decisions that direct their health care. With that exercise of self-governance and choice comes a number of responsibilities. Patients contribute to the collaborative effort when they:

(a) Are truthful and forthcoming with their physicians and strive to express their concerns clearly. Physicians likewise should encourage patients to raise questions or concerns.

(b) Provide as complete a medical history as they can, including providing information about past illnesses, medications, hospitalizations, family history of illness, and other matters relating to present health.

(c) Cooperate with agreed-on treatment plans. Since adhering to treatment is often essential to public and individual safety, patients should disclose whether they have or have not followed the agreed-on plan and indicate when they would like to reconsider the plan.

Sadly Diana was not following parts A and B with her initial visits to treat her anxiety and depression. Since she was not treated for her severe mental illness-eating disorder until after her two pregnancies, it's clear that she wasn't being truthful with her psychiatrist, general practitioner, and OB/GYN.

She wasn't treated until her friends basically threatened to go to the media unless she sought treatment for her binge eating and purging.
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Had Diana been truthful with her doctors from the beginning, then she could have been treated earlier. However she wasn't ready to talk about what she described as her "secret disease." It wasn't until she accepted that she had a problem, required treatment for it, saw a qualified psychiatrist who specialized in eating disorders was she able to overcome the urge to binge and purge.

Princess Diana's Legacy on Mental Health, Eating Disorders | Time
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Remarkably, in the years during which Diana spoke publicly about her bulimia, rates of women seeking treatment for bulimia in Great Britain more than doubled. The press dubbed this phenomenon the ?Diana effect.? Mental health practitioners credited this shift to greater public awareness and dialogue about bulimia, as well as women identifying with Diana. If a princess could be bulimic, so could they. If she could explain why she hurt herself, they could recognize that side of themselves too. If she could overcome her eating disorder, they could too.

Self-disclosures, particularly of people in positions of power or visibility, can change how other people approach their own psychological health. Researchers have found that knowing someone else with a mental illness can encourage others to get help. ?It is notable that the Princess?s death in 1997 coincided with the beginning of the decline in bulimia incidence,? researchers wrote in a 2005 study published in the British Journal of Psychiatry on time trends in eating disorder incidences. ?Identification with a public figure?s struggle with bulimia might have temporarily decreased the shame associated with the illness, and encouraged women to seek help for the first time.?

[amabel]

It is a bandaid. I know people who were given valium for stress and they could not just keep on taking it. There had to be limits. And it causes dependence.

I don't think Sarah and Jane paid attention much to Diana. I would not call it "almost certainly."

Diana was very upset about Charles' actions pre wedding they just brushed it off. If they had this attitude it would be  a waste of time for Diana to bring anything up to them.

If the doctors Charles sent to her were IMO useless.
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I think the doctors sent to her were not exactly the best choices. They could have referred her to Lipsedge. If they had no ideas about Diana's condition it is their problem. I don't get why Diana keeps being given all the responsiblity fo the doctors shortcomings.

but Diana didn't "keep on takng it".  She only took it for a very short time.  In any case, doctors do not prescribe it for long periods.. so if she had been on it for a time, they would have moniotired her progress and suggested other treatments if they felt that she was not getting better and the Valium was only meant as a short term treatment.

[sandy]

She was pregnant and had to stop taking it. She did not return to Valium after she gave birth. IT was said she took daily "doses".
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@sandy-How are doctors to know about this unless the adult patient or the parents of a child/teen tell them that the patient is binging and purging.  :shrug: Unless they happen to catch the patient in the act..the patient or their parent/conservator/guardian has to be the one to explain why they've booked an appointment about a suspected case of binge eating and purging. A physician might suspect that there is a problem if there are physical symptoms but the patient or his/her parent has to confirm this before an exam can happen.

Patient Responsibilities | American Medical Association

Sadly Diana was not following parts A and B with her initial visits to treat her anxiety and depression. Since she was not treated for her severe mental illness-eating disorder until after her two pregnancies, it's clear that she wasn't being truthful with her psychiatrist, general practitioner, and OB/GYN.

She wasn't treated until her friends basically threatened to go to the media unless she sought treatment for her binge eating and purging.
Double post auto-merged: September 14, 2019, 11:42:50 PM

Had Diana been truthful with her doctors from the beginning, then she could have been treated earlier. However she wasn't ready to talk about what she described as her "secret disease." It wasn't until she accepted that she had a problem, required treatment for it, saw a qualified psychiatrist who specialized in eating disorders was she able to overcome the urge to binge and purge.

Princess Diana's Legacy on Mental Health, Eating Disorders | Time
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I doubt Diana did not tell her doctor about morning sickness. There were no drugs to ease it up that did not cause danger to the child's development (at that time). she just had to deal with the morning sickness. I see nothing "clear" about anything. There is doctor-patient confidentiality. What she told them is not known. I doubt she'd hide the morning sickness from her doctor.

[amabel]

The morning sickness was not the issue Sandy.  She had bulimia.  that's a mental illness that requires "talking therapy"... Valium can help a little but if she had discussed her bulimia she would have been referrerd to an eating specialist and had psychotherapy..

I relally don't know what you mean about the Valium.  As I've said now, dozens of times, she took it for a  short time.  It was not likely she'd get addicted to it. and yes it would probably be one tablet a day.. but she didn't kepe on taking it.  And it would not have been prescribed indefinitely because it IS a short term aid to depression or other conditions not  a cure.....

[oak_and_cedar]

Well I do tend to agree that Diana was a bit of an afterthought to her parents. Her siblings were known to tease her for her academic struggles and called her "Brian" after a slow witted snail cartoon character. :(

:cry: :cry:

I think some of Diana's insecurities stems from her childhood. Some kids are very sensitive and I believe that Diana was one. I mean, to even call her a name after a slow tv carachter is a bit much. It's a form of bullying. IMO.

They were not that involved in her adulthood if i've understood it correctly. I don't quite get why. It's sad when you think about it.

I do wonder if her sisters would have been more "accepting" of the situation had one of them married PC.

Too bad that no one talked her out of that marriage, IMO.

[sandy]

The morning sickness was not the issue Sandy.  She had bulimia.  that's a mental illness that requires "talking therapy"... Valium can help a little but if she had discussed her bulimia she would have been referrerd to an eating specialist and had psychotherapy..

I relally don't know what you mean about the Valium.  As I've said now, dozens of times, she took it for a  short time.  It was not likely she'd get addicted to it. and yes it would probably be one tablet a day.. but she didn't kepe on taking it.  And it would not have been prescribed indefinitely because it IS a short term aid to depression or other conditions not  a cure.....

I was answering TLK's post who referred to OB GYN physician the doctor seeing Diana during her pregnancy.

She said she had "doses" of quantities of valium.

It can be addictive as I have said previously.

So did the doctors do the talking therapy. Doctor-patient confidentiality is in place here so it is not known what approach. Diana was just assigned the valium

[amabel]

I was answering TLK's post who referred to OB GYN physician the doctor seeing Diana during her pregnancy.

She said she had "doses" of quantities of valium.

It can be addictive as I have said previously.

So did the doctors do the talking therapy. Doctor-patient confidentiality is in place here so it is not known what approach. Diana was just assigned the valium

As far as I know yes Diana did have sessions with a psychotherapist in the first months of her marriage... but she did not discuss her bulimia, so he could only work with what he had from her.

And as I have said previously Valium like most drugs can be addictive.. which is why Doctors do not prescribe it for long periods of time.  So there was no danger of her becoming addicted as the doctor would have monitored her taking it and would not have given her large amounts of it.. and in any case since she was pregnant soon after her marriage, she would have had to come off it after a few weeks anyway.  SO I don't understand your saying it is addictive.  Yes it is.. but people do not routinely take it ofr long periods as doctors do not prescribe it for long periods.  I very much doubt if one of the queen's doctors was going to give her massive doses of Valium and in any case she only took it for a few weeks....

When Diana reached a stage some years later, that she was willing ot accept she had a problem with food, she was ready to see a psychiatrist who specialised in eating disorders and to work with him..

[TLLK]

I think some of Diana's insecurities stems from her childhood. Some kids are very sensitive and I believe that Diana was one. I mean, to even call her a name after a slow tv carachter is a bit much. It's a form of bullying. IMO.

They were not that involved in her adulthood if i've understood it correctly. I don't quite get why. It's sad when you think about it.

I do wonder if her sisters would have been more "accepting" of the situation had one of them married PC.

Too bad that no one talked her out of that marriage, IMO.

I wholeheartedly agree. This was a very unhappy household just prior to and after the divorce.  :no:
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I doubt Diana did not tell her doctor about morning sickness. There were no drugs to ease it up that did not cause danger to the child's development (at that time). she just had to deal with the morning sickness. I see nothing "clear" about anything. There is doctor-patient confidentiality. What she told them is not known. I doubt she'd hide the morning sickness from her doctor.

I'm sure that Diana mentioned morning sickness to her OB/Gyn. However what she didn't  choose to reveal to him/her was her binge eating and purging. Had she done so, she would have been strictly monitored throughout her pregnancy and in the post partum period she would have begun treatment for her illness with a qualified psychiatrist who specialized in eating disorders. More than likely she and Charles would have been advised to delay a second pregnancy until her eating disorder was under control. Had she been truthful with her OB/Gyn though she would have been able to receive treatment years before it actually happened.  :no: Those who suffer from them go to great lengths to hide their disease, so it is vital that patients realize the harm they are causing themselves and accept the fact that they need help from a qualified mental health specialist. They need to get to the root of the issue which is typically about control in a chaotic life.

Pregnancy and Eating Disorders | National Eating Disorders Association

If you are pregnant and struggling with disordered eating:

    Be honest with your prenatal health provider regarding past or present struggles with an eating disorder or disordered eating. If they aren?t sensitive to your struggle and concerns, look for a provider who will be more considerate of your experiences.
    Extra appointments may be necessary to more closely track the growth and development of your baby.
    Consult a nutritionist with expertise in eating disorders before or immediately after becoming pregnant. Work with the nutritionist throughout the pregnancy to create a plan for healthy eating and weight gain. It?s often helpful to continue to see them postpartum.
    Individual counseling and support groups during and after pregnancy can help you cope with your concerns and fears regarding food, weight gain, body image, and the new role of parenting.
    Other classes on pregnancy, childbirth, child development, and parenting skills can also be helpful in preparation for this stage of your life.
    Allow your prenatal health provider to weigh you. This information is essential to tracking the health of your baby. If you would prefer not to monitor your weight gain, ask your doctor about standing on the scale backwards and instruct them to not share the number with you.
    Talk to your doctor before attending a prenatal exercise class to make sure it fits in with your recovery plan.

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Frankly I don't believe that episodes such as Diana being photographed topless in 1996 were helpful to someone who had issues with her body image.  :no:

Prince William teased over Princess Diana topless photos - INSIDER
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Prince William suffered from merciless teasing in school after topless photos of Princess Diana were published in 1996, according to a new memoir from Vogue publisher Nicholas Coleridge.

According to "The Glossy Years," previewed by The Daily Mail and The Times, William, then 14, called Diana from his exclusive boarding school Eton College and told her that he was being teased over the "size of her breasts."

In The Daily Mail, Coleridge recalled the lunch conversation he had with Diana where she revealed the detail.

Read more: Prince Harry just took a leaf out of Meghan Markle's book by defying tradition and shutting his own car door

Diana reportedly said, "William rang me from Eton. Poor boy, he's only 14. He was upset. He said some of the other boys were teasing him, saying my t--- are too small," before asking Coleridge his opinion on the matter.

Coleridge recalls, "I became breathless, and went as red as a guardsman's tunic."

[sandy]

Wouldn't the OB GYN doctor's concern be the pregnancy? And wouldn't he talk to Diana about the morning sickness? Diana was looked down upon by the other royal ladies because they never experienced morning sickness.

Diana was not photographed " topless" they were not like Kate's photographs. She had a strap down on her bikini top. She did not run around topless like Fergie did. THe photos were blurry. I never read about William and the "topless" photographs, it was not mentioned in Diana biographies. THis sounds like tab gossip and Coleridge should be ashamed of himself.It makes it sound Diana deliberately posed topless. It was a blurry shot of her from photographers. If it were such a "critical" moment how come none of Diana's biographers made anything of it? Seems to me like tab gossip.

It was light years from what happened to William and Kate.

So how come the story was not published earlier? This is shameful gossip to me and again having a go at the Dead Diana.

[TLLK]

Wouldn't the OB GYN doctor's concern be the pregnancy? And wouldn't he talk to Diana about the morning sickness? Diana was looked down upon by the other royal ladies because they never experienced morning sickness.

@sandy-When a woman goes to an OB/Gyn to confirm her pregnancy and then have the doctor take her on as a patient, the doctor requires a patient to disclose their medical history including all illnesses, surgeries, drug/alcohol use, mental illness etc..because her history has an effect upon her maternal health and the health of the developing fetus. If a woman has a pre-existing condition such as a mental illness such as the one Diana had, he/she would need to know about it in order to ensure that the mother and child are receiving the proper care and nutrition to sustain a healthy pregnancy and delivery. The eating disorder affects the pregnancy so the doctor must work with the mother and those treating her eating disorder. If he/she doesn't do so...it's malpractice. However the responsibility of being truthful with the OB/GYN first begins with the patient.

Again here are the risks involved with for a woman and her baby when it comes to pregnancy and eating disorders and why it is VITAL to disclose to the OB/GYN.

Complications of Disordered Eating During Pregnancy

Risks for the Pregnant Person: Poor nutrition, dehydration, cardiac irregularities, gestational diabetes, severe depression during pregnancy, premature birth, labor complications, difficulties nursing, and postpartum depression.

Risks for the Baby: Poor development, premature birth, low birth weight, respiratory distress, feeding difficulties, and other perinatal complications.

    Anorexia nervosa: Individuals can be underweight and may not gain enough weight during pregnancy. They risk having a baby with abnormally low birth weight and related health problems.
    Bulimia nervosa: Those who continue to purge may suffer dehydration, chemical imbalances or even cardiac irregularities. Pregnancy heightens these health risks.
    Binge eating disorder: Binge eating is often correlated with weight gain, which may lead to a greater risk of developing high blood pressure and gestational diabetes.

https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/pregnancy-and-eating-disorders

Morning sickness is not the same as binge eating and purging.  Typical morning sickness (like Diana had) is brought on by the change in hormones during pregnancy. Diana's eating disorder would have required specialized care because it is a mental illness.

What If I Become Pregnant While Struggling with an Eating Disorder?

Though having an eating disorder may decrease the chances of pregnancy, sometimes those with eating disorders do become pregnant. When this happens, steps should be taken to protect you and your baby. Professionals can address the specific needs related to pregnancy and disordered eating only if you are willing to be completely honest with them about your struggles.

If you are pregnant and struggling with disordered eating:

    Be honest with your prenatal health provider regarding past or present struggles with an eating disorder or disordered eating. If they aren?t sensitive to your struggle and concerns, look for a provider who will be more considerate of your experiences.
    Extra appointments may be necessary to more closely track the growth and development of your baby.
    Consult a nutritionist with expertise in eating disorders before or immediately after becoming pregnant. Work with the nutritionist throughout the pregnancy to create a plan for healthy eating and weight gain. It?s often helpful to continue to see them postpartum.
    Individual counseling and support groups during and after pregnancy can help you cope with your concerns and fears regarding food, weight gain, body image, and the new role of parenting.
    Other classes on pregnancy, childbirth, child development, and parenting skills can also be helpful in preparation for this stage of your life.
    Allow your prenatal health provider to weigh you. This information is essential to tracking the health of your baby. If you would prefer not to monitor your weight gain, ask your doctor about standing on the scale backwards and instruct them to not share the number with you.
    Talk to your doctor before attending a prenatal exercise class to make sure it fits in with your recovery plan.

It's a shame that the some of the Windsor ladies  had believed the older medical thinking that the pregnancy related nausea was something that could be controlled.

[amabel]

But pregnancy related nausea can be controlled, can't it?  There are drugs and techniques such as eating small light meals which can improve it?  And it does go away as the hormones settle down...

[sandy]

One anti morning sickness drug caused deformity of children . It was taken off the market. Diana said she had an uncomfortable pregnancy with William the whole time.
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@sandy-When a woman goes to an OB/Gyn to confirm her pregnancy and then have the doctor take her on as a patient, the doctor requires a patient to disclose their medical history including all illnesses, surgeries, drug/alcohol use, mental illness etc..because her history has an effect upon her maternal health and the health of the developing fetus. If a woman has a pre-existing condition such as a mental illness such as the one Diana had, he/she would need to know about it in order to ensure that the mother and child are receiving the proper care and nutrition to sustain a healthy pregnancy and delivery. The eating disorder affects the pregnancy so the doctor must work with the mother and those treating her eating disorder. If he/she doesn't do so...it's malpractice. However the responsibility of being truthful with the OB/GYN first begins with the patient.

Again here are the risks involved with for a woman and her baby when it comes to pregnancy and eating disorders and why it is VITAL to disclose to the OB/GYN.

Morning sickness is not the same as binge eating and purging.  Typical morning sickness (like Diana had) is brought on by the change in hormones during pregnancy. Diana's eating disorder would have required specialized care because it is a mental illness.

It's a shame that the some of the Windsor ladies  had believed the older medical thinking that the pregnancy related nausea was something that could be controlled.

TLK I do know the difference between morning sickness and eating disorder no need for you to explain it.

Diana had both at the same time.

You brought up OB GYN doctor who presumably would help Diana with the morning sickness. And of course Diana had those doctors treating her before she knew she was pregnant.  So if she were "treated" why would she have done the same thing with the OBGYN

[TLLK]

So if she were "treated" why would she have done the same thing with the OBGYN

The two doctors (OB/GYN and psychiatrist) would need to work together to ensure the best outcome for mother and developing child as an OB/GYN might feel that he/she does not have the proper training and experience to work with one.  An expectant mother with a pre-existing condition be it a mental or physical illness needs to have all of her healthcare providers working together.  :)

If you are pregnant and struggling with disordered eating:

    Be honest with your prenatal health provider regarding past or present struggles with an eating disorder or disordered eating. If they aren?t sensitive to your struggle and concerns, look for a provider who will be more considerate of your experiences.
    Extra appointments may be necessary to more closely track the growth and development of your baby.
    Consult a nutritionist with expertise in eating disorders before or immediately after becoming pregnant. Work with the nutritionist throughout the pregnancy to create a plan for healthy eating and weight gain. It?s often helpful to continue to see them postpartum.
    Individual counseling and support groups during and after pregnancy can help you cope with your concerns and fears regarding food, weight gain, body image, and the new role of parenting.

If an expectant mother is not honest with their prenatal health care provider about their past and current health status, she and her developing fetus are at greater risk of serious and even fatal health risks.

Complications of Disordered Eating During Pregnancy

Risks for the Pregnant Person: Poor nutrition, dehydration, cardiac irregularities, gestational diabetes, severe depression during pregnancy, premature birth, labor complications, difficulties nursing, and postpartum depression.

Risks for the Baby: Poor development, premature birth, low birth weight, respiratory distress, feeding difficulties, and other perinatal complications.

    Anorexia nervosa: Individuals can be underweight and may not gain enough weight during pregnancy. They risk having a baby with abnormally low birth weight and related health problems.
    Bulimia nervosa: Those who continue to purge may suffer dehydration, chemical imbalances or even cardiac irregularities. Pregnancy heightens these health risks.
    Binge eating disorder: Binge eating is often correlated with weight gain, which may lead to a greater risk of developing high blood pressure and gestational diabetes.

[sandy]

Diana stopped taking the valium when she realized she was pregnant. I imagine the OB GYN would have known about her taking the valium. Diana told Morton she had an uncomfortable pregnancy with William.

[TLLK]

^^^Yes I believe that she would have mentioned the Valium. It's a shame that she didn't share about her eating disorder though as she could have begun treatment earlier on. :no:

[oak_and_cedar]

I wholeheartedly agree. This was a very unhappy household just prior to and after the divorce.  :no:

Divorce is, of course, never easy on the children. I wonder what would have happened if they had reached an agreement. I think it would have been better for the children if, for instance, Frances stayed at Althorp after the divorce. At least until Diana and Charles grew up a bit.

[amabel]

Divorce is, of course, never easy on the children. I wonder what would have happened if they had reached an agreement. I think it would have been better for the children if, for instance, Frances stayed at Althorp after the divorce. At least until Diana and Charles grew up a bit.

why would she stay at Althorp?  She wanted to remarry

[oak_and_cedar]

For the sake of her children. But I doubt earl Spencer would agree to such a thing. He always comes across as whiter than white which is interesting to me.

[amabel]

For the sake of her children. But I doubt earl Spencer would agree to such a thing. He always comes across as whiter than white which is interesting to me.

She left him.  She was having an affair and watned to get out of the marriage and live in London, not Althrop.   Of course Lord Spencer wasn't going to have her back and she did not want to be back there

[oak_and_cedar]

I think it they could have reached a middle ground.

If earl Spencer was a bad husband why did she not just file for a divorce? Why wait until she started a relationship with another man. I just don't get it.

[amabel]

I think it they could have reached a middle ground.

If earl Spencer was a bad husband why did she not just file for a divorce? Why wait until she started a relationship with another man. I just don't get it.

what don't you get?  She got bored iwht Spencer and country life.  She fell in love with another man and left him

[oak_and_cedar]

I don't she got bored. She was traumatized IMO. She became a mother at a very early age. Then she failed to produce a male heir, and her husband made her (if I remember correctly) to take different tests to see why she couldn't  provide a male heir. Then her son died. I mean, all of this happened before she was thirty. I think that she had had enough. But why not just file for divorce, why wait until she had met someone is what I don't get.

[amabel]

I don't she got bored. She was traumatized IMO. She became a mother at a very early age. Then she failed to produce a male heir, and her husband made her (if I remember correctly) to take different tests to see why she couldn't  provide a male heir. Then her son died. I mean, all of this happened before she was thirty. I think that she had had enough. But why not just file for divorce, why wait until she had met someone is what I don't get.

She left him because she'd fallen in love with another man..adn she was bored with life as a country squires wife. She took the children but wasn't able to retain custody...