If Diana had been older

[amabel]

Nothing to do with medical. That was the "mantra" that she was "inexperienced." Maybe because one of Charles girlfriends (Davina Sheffield)  exes came and said they lived together. They wanted the public to be "sure" there would be no exes showing up with Diana

so there was no "medical" exam re fertility?  It was a virginity test?

[sandy]

I am just the messenger here and reporting what I read. there are sources that said a test was done.

[dianab]

TBH I believe that Diana just had a routine gynelogical exam. If she had a regular cycle and no related issues is endometriosis or hormonal problems, there would be no reason to check for fertility. After all Diana's immediate maternal female relatives: Frances, Sarah and Jane had all had conceived and had children. I believe that Diana's uncle was just speculating when he made his remarks.

IMO this story is just a gossip that decades later some believe to be true.  iirc many years ago this story was denied. i think diana denied this story to someone or the spencers denied.

Her uncle just commented she was a virgin.

[amabel]

I am just the messenger here and reporting what I read. there are sources that said a test was done.

but which?  was it a test to see if she could have children or one to see if she was a virgin? Because I see no sign that her uncle reported that she had had any tests done.  He said something like "lady Diana, I can assure you.. has never had a lover..."

[TLLK]

@amabel -I believe that either a family member or Diana's own GP likely suggested that she see  an OB/GYN to discuss family planning and therefore she had a pelvic exam which is a routine part of an initial exam. Her uncle Lord Fermoy probably heard about it through the family and that was the basis of his remarks. Also I agree it was unnecessary for him to say anything about it but he likely believed he was defending his niece.

[amabel]

@amabel -I believe that either a family member or Diana's own GP likely suggested that she see  an OB/GYN to discuss family planning and therefore she had a pelvic exam which is a routine part of an initial exam. Her uncle Lord Fermoy probably heard about it through the family and that was the basis of his remarks. Also I agree it was unnecessary for him to say anything about it but he likely believed he was defending his niece.

I doubt it?  Why would Diana be discussing family planning when she was notoriously a virgin who was being courted by the POW?  I don't think that Charles was likely to jump the gun with her..so it would look pretty odd if anything got out that she was going on the pill.  Tthe thing is that her virginal status, her youth and inexperience were being discussed as points in her favour while there was all this "will he wont he propose" stuff..
Her uncle would of course be aware of the gossip in the papers and public. and I think that he probably did think that he was defending his nieces honour by saying that she was still a virgin.  He never said anything about tests of any kind.. just that he could assure the world that his niece had never had a lover...
When the story broke a little later about the Royal Train and there was a hint that Di might have been meeting Chas on the train - the Palace sprung to defend her as well...

[dianab]

@amabel -I believe that either a family member or Diana's own GP likely suggested that she see  an OB/GYN to discuss family planning and therefore she had a pelvic exam which is a routine part of an initial exam. Her uncle Lord Fermoy probably heard about it through the family and that was the basis of his remarks. Also I agree it was unnecessary for him to say anything about it but he likely believed he was defending his niece.

i doubt that. i think he like everyone else in her family and friends circle knew she never had a boyfriend... and that was that. the medical exam report havent anything to do with which her uncle told reporters.

[amabel]

There was no medicial exam.

[sandy]

There may or may not have been. I would not say it didn't.  she would be the mother of a future monarch and she went into the care of the Royal's physician, Dr. Pinker.

[TLLK]

@amabel -We'll have to agree to disagree because a young woman who is about to be married is exactly the person who should be seeking advice on family planning even if she is a virgin IMO. Obviously we know that the Wales were not using it because William arrived before their first wedding anniversary. Or what they did use was inefficient.

[amabel]

@amabel -We'll have to agree to disagree because a young woman who is about to be married is exactly the person who should be seeking advice on family planning even if she is a virgin IMO. Obviously we know that the Wales were not using it because William arrived before their first wedding anniversary. Or what they did use was inefficient.

But she wasnt' engaged at the time.. She was still courting Charles and he had not proposed.. THe Royal Train story was in November and they didn't get engaged till I think February.  I'd imagine that she did use birth control for a short time when she got married.. but she conceived William  eary in the marriage...
her uncle was a bit of an oddball and It was generally felt that while he probably meant no harm he wasn't being very appropriate in assuring the world that "she had never had a lover"...
Im sure she was not seeing a gynaecologist at that stage to go on birth control.. because it would harldy fit in with her image as  an innocent virgin..
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There may or may not have been. I would not say it didn't.  she would be the mother of a future monarch and she went into the care of the Royal's physician, Dr. Pinker.

when she was married, he became her obstetrician and delivered Willaim? that's not the same as a girl who was not married.. being made to have a virginity exam by a family who were not even related to her in any way at the time

[Curryong]

But the thing is, when was this gynaecological examination undertaken? I can't find any reference to any medical examination before Diana's marriage in Bradford, Brown or Bedell Smith, btw, and her uncle doesn't mention any examination in his interview, which took place before the engagement anyway.

It's conceivable I suppose that during the engagement Charles and Diana became intimate and she might have needed an examination and/or 'the pill', but in that case who got to know about it and put it in the public arena, if they did  because as I say, I can't track any record of any gynaecological examination in any bios I have? Plenty of words about virgin brides and how important it was supposed to be, but nothing about any exams. 

[amabel]

But the thing is, when was this gynaecological examination undertaken? I can't find any reference to any medical examination before Diana's marriage in Bradford, Brown or Bedell Smith, btw, and her uncle doesn't mention any examination in his interview, which took place before the engagement anyway.

It's conceivable I suppose that during the engagement Charles and Diana became intimate and she might have needed an examination and/or 'the pill', but in that case who got to know about it and put it in the public arena, if they did  because as I say, I can't track any record of any gynaecological examination in any bios I have? Plenty of words about virgin brides and how important it was supposed to be, but nothing about any exams. 

There's nothing about it because it didn't happen. Di's uncle did not mention tests for ether virginity or fertility.  He just said that she had never had a lover which was problably quite true.  The RF were not going to do anything so intrusive..  It was generally believed that one of Di's attractions was that she HAD a very limited romantic history and had never had a lover.. and they hardly were likely to "test her for fertility".
If She and Charles did becom lovers during tehir engagement I'd say she would have gone on the pill.. but I don't believe they became intimate till they got married

[sandy]

Diana told Morton that even though she was at BP she did not see Charles that much and he was on a royal tour for part of the engagement time. I doubt they were intimate.
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But she wasnt' engaged at the time.. She was still courting Charles and he had not proposed.. THe Royal Train story was in November and they didn't get engaged till I think February.  I'd imagine that she did use birth control for a short time when she got married.. but she conceived William  eary in the marriage...
her uncle was a bit of an oddball and It was generally felt that while he probably meant no harm he wasn't being very appropriate in assuring the world that "she had never had a lover"...
Im sure she was not seeing a gynaecologist at that stage to go on birth control.. because it would harldy fit in with her image as  an innocent virgin..
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when she was married, he became her obstetrician and delivered Willaim? that's not the same as a girl who was not married.. being made to have a virginity exam by a family who were not even related to her in any way at the time

Diana would not have slept with Charles on the royal train. She was at a party at the time. They were not engaged and she was even worried he would not propose at all. If she slept with him she'd be his mistress and perhaps he would think of her as not wife material and move on.

It was most likely Camilla on the train, according to various sources.

[LouisFerdinand]

If Diana had married a titled gentleman of the aristocracy, do you think they would have attended Royal Ascot?

[Curryong]

Yes, probably, though I don't know what the emphasis on Diana marrying someone titled is about. Neither of her sisters did.

[amabel]

I don't know that Diana had any boyfriends who were titled or in line for a titel

[dianab]

Yes, probably, though I don't know what the emphasis on Diana marrying someone titled is about. Neither of her sisters did.

her brother-in-laws are men who are part of that social aristo circle

[amabel]

her brother-in-laws are men who are part of that social aristo circle

Her brothers in law did not have titles at the time they married S and Jane.  Robin Fellowes was given a life peerage at the end of his service ot the queen.. but niehter Jane nor Sarah married titled men.. and I don't believe that Diana dated anyone with a title

[sandy]

Sarah was serious about a man with a title the Duke of Westminster and they dated but he dropped her. Apparently she was aiming for a love match with a man with a title.

[amabel]

Sarah was serious about a man with a title the Duke of Westminster and they dated but he dropped her. Apparently she was aiming for a love match with a man with a title.

Or perhaps she was in love With Gerald Westminster and wanted to marry him..either way, she ended up married to a gentleman farmer.. with no title.  Jane Spencer married RObin Fellowes who did not have a title.

[LouisFerdinand]

If Diana had been older, she may have married an aristocratic man. However, he may not necessarily have been the eldest son. He could be the second, third, or the fourth son.

[Curryong]

Well, she probably would have. Most people in those days and even now marry the sort of people they grew up with and socialise with later as adults. Both Diana's sisters married into country gentry families. Same thing. It would have been a bit unusual for Diana to have married the local car mechanic or postman.

[LouisFerdinand]

If Diana had married the postman, she would have gotten her mail on time.  :nod: :nod: :nod:

[Curryong]

Yes she would indeed, LF, that is very true!  :lol: