Prince William To Take To the Skies Again - Part 2

SophieChloe · August 11, 2014, 10:10:55 PM

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Please continue my lovelies.... :computer:

Limabeany · August 11, 2014, 10:35:52 PM

The Sequel! :happy15:

SophieChloe · August 11, 2014, 10:39:12 PM

Just like the Omen! :devil: :hehe: Part 54.

Limabeany · August 12, 2014, 02:25:17 AM

:hehe:

Lothwen · August 12, 2014, 04:53:29 AM

You know, I'm wondering why William (and his advisors) thought it would be a good idea for him to sign a two year contract to do this thing (the two years beginning after he completes his training). If anything happens to his grandmother, he'll have to step up to his royal duties, and wouldn't be able to honor that contract.

Curryong · August 12, 2014, 06:09:24 AM

Quote from: Lothwen on August 12, 2014, 04:53:29 AM
You know, I'm wondering why William (and his advisors) thought it would be a good idea for him to sign a two year contract to do this thing (the two years beginning after he completes his training). If anything happens to his grandmother, he'll have to step up to his royal duties, and wouldn't be able to honor that contract.

Since when has William allowed contracts or anything of that nature stop him from cutting and running?

SophieChloe · August 12, 2014, 07:23:08 PM

^ Exactly! The advisors are just expected to clear up his mess.

KaTerina Montague · August 12, 2014, 10:16:33 PM

I would assume there would be some clause allowing him out of the contract if he became Prince of Wales, or because it is such a small time frame they are assuming or hoping there will be no drastic changes in 2yrs.

sandy · August 12, 2014, 10:51:34 PM

He's going to avoid full time royal duties for as long as he can. I think that's the bottom line for him.

Lady DC · August 13, 2014, 03:25:08 AM

He will probably avoid full time royal duties for as long as he possibly can, i.e. most likely until he becomes Prince of Wales. At which point he will have to assume responsibility. Until then I think he will complete one more tour of duty, indulge in his love of flying and avoiding the media/royal role and pick up a few really high profile events throughout the duration of tour.. Just enough so that he is not seen to be doing nothing. Catherine will hopefully show herself occasionally but I would imagine the same amount as up until now, investitures, tree planting (lol), joint events with HM, DoE, PW, DoC etc. I think they will have a happy addition in Amber Hall and that, along with George will be their only focus for the next two and a half years. I'll be surprised if there are any holidays, apart from the wedding in Italy. I think they are going to try and keep the positive momentum of him donating salary etc going for as long as they can and that the powers that be will try and prevent any skirt incidences.

HsHCharlene · August 13, 2014, 03:43:54 AM

I have a feeling that even as PoW he will avoid work at all costs. He just doesn't want to it seems. He would rather take the money/privilege and run than actually take up his responsibilities.

sandy · August 13, 2014, 07:35:41 PM

Quote from: Lady DC on August 13, 2014, 03:25:08 AM
He will probably avoid full time royal duties for as long as he possibly can, i.e. most likely until he becomes Prince of Wales. At which point he will have to assume responsibility. Until then I think he will complete one more tour of duty, indulge in his love of flying and avoiding the media/royal role and pick up a few really high profile events throughout the duration of tour.. Just enough so that he is not seen to be doing nothing. Catherine will hopefully show herself occasionally but I would imagine the same amount as up until now, investitures, tree planting (lol), joint events with HM, DoE, PW, DoC etc. I think they will have a happy addition in Amber Hall and that, along with George will be their only focus for the next two and a half years. I'll be surprised if there are any holidays, apart from the wedding in Italy. I think they are going to try and keep the positive momentum of him donating salary etc going for as long as they can and that the powers that be will try and prevent any skirt incidences.

He is getting more and more comfortable in avoidance mode. It will be very difficult for him to step up full time and he will come up with a new set of excuses.

I see families that have interests and though the live for the children and are devoted they don't avoid work "concentrating" on the children.

Oh I think William and Kate will have their holidays after their hard work concentrating on George and her being a housewife.

Lady DC · August 13, 2014, 09:02:07 PM

I am still an eternal optimist. I was always an avid fan of the pair of them, but even the biggest fans cannot deny that they have wasted the positive press from the wedding and the birth of Prince George and have only done the bare minimum required.

I think William is conflicted. He has spent so much of his life being the anti prince, hiding whenever possible that even though he seemed to be doing okay stepping it up a bit recently, he wants to retreat again for another little while. While I don't agree with this, at least he is donating the salary to a charity (yes I know this is damage control). Yes the job could have gone to someone else who truly deserved it etc... It hasn't so at least look at it as a free air ambulance pilot. I can think of far worse he could be doing with his time. As for "Her Highness" I do think that the palace must control a certain amount of what she does and doesn't do. I don't think that they are going to make her very prominent until William becomes Prince of Wales. I think that they will continue to allow the Queens children; Prince Charles (Camilla), Edward (Sophie) and Anne (Andrew is a disaster) do the majority of things until Prince Philip or Her Majesty passes away. When Prince Charles takes over, it is fairly certain he will be streamlining the monarchy in a massive way and it is only then that I think it is really necessary for William and Kate to step up because no one else will be wanted by Charles.

I don't think Catherine minds this at all might I add. She is able to live in the country side, play with George, make dinners and do whatever it is that she does all day. It is highly unlikely that the palace is completely unaware of what people are saying about her lack of work ethic. I think they don't care. When Camilla was being criticised for the same- she was promptly put out to work. They will send Catherine off to Malta, hopefully she will not have a skirt moment and will smile. That is all that is being asked of her so far- "Show your face every so often and look nice. And please don't flash the press. Good girl."
Even the biggest naysayers cannot deny that anyone involved in a charity that she has visited, or anyone who has met her really, says she is kind, warm.. and wants world peace etc. Yes I am equating her to a beauty queen because everything she does is for show, is rehearsed and I think that is the way the palace want it. Even though she ends up in most papers (generally talking about her outfit mind you) after an event, that is sufficient. She is in no way outshining William. In fact, I think that he is able to get away with doing so little ONLY because so is she. If she were out saving the world every day, people would be very quick to ask- Where's Wally? Oh sorry- Where's William.
:)

sandy · August 13, 2014, 09:49:04 PM

I think he's selective. He likes the perks and privileges of being a Prince but he does not like the work involved. He is only the anti prince when it comes to the work.

He could do so much more and could have been charitable to a young man who could really have used the job. In essence he'd "give" his salary to someone who needs the money. I see him as self serving.

Why should his Aunt have to do William's work for him while he hides out?

Kate still does the minimum

It is insulting to couples who do work and raise great children to have these lazy loafers use their baby as an excuse not to do full time work. Pathetic actually.

What is with "outshining" william. To me that's totally irrelevant since William obviously does not want to do royal work in the first place.

So William laziness keeps Kate from working. The honeymoon with the two loafers and the media is starting to be over and if the two keep up the laziness the criticism will get louder.

Lady DC · August 13, 2014, 10:17:54 PM

I don't disagree with you that he is selective but I think it is more to do with the fact that he only wishes to be involved with certain charities and causes. I don't think he enjoys the more "pomp and ceremony" occasions, such as investitures etc. I do think that there are plenty of charities that he cares about and that if he could be involved in them without the medias attention he probably would do more. He is not shy about the fact that he detests their presence and will do all he can to avoid it. Yes it comes with the job but I think that for as long as he can, he will try and remain as private as possible.

As for the Air Ambulance- at least he is using the valuable training that was put into him. I don't do equations usually and will not go on about this at length but at least he is not Harry- who trained as an apache pilot, costing millions, and is now sitting at a desk. William will at least be providing a valuable service to the community and he is doing it free of charge. Yes there are others who could have used the job but to be fair, anyone who is qualified to fly an air ambulance, will probably find a job suitable. It is a highly specialised skill. I think it is self serving that he is not taking over more responsibility from his grand parents but I don't think that the new job is a bad thing. It is a very noble profession and he is young enough to actually do something noble with the training he has received.

Anne is not necessarily doing Williams work. She is the Queens daughter. She was born into this just as much as William. The only difference really is that she decided not to style her children HRH, which is why they are able to lead normal lives. Anne is the child of the reigning monarch, William is not. I know that at his age etc he should be doing more but at least, like I said, he is using the training he received for something that will benefit others.

As for Kate and the minimum, I'd say she has about as much control over her schedule as you or I do. I do think she should show more initiative and get out to the few patronages she does have but until she is the Princess of Wales, I don't think the palace will want her to. Whenever she sets foot outside the door she is in every tabloid and that would only emphasise that William is not visiting all of his charities.

If William wants the monarchy abolished, he will not commence working when he becomes POW. The republicans will win and that will be that. I don't that he wants the monarchy abolished. I think he is biding his time for as long as possible. I have faith he will step up- but not until he absolutely has to.

KaTerina Montague · August 14, 2014, 12:51:48 AM

DC you make some good and sensible points. You are probably right that until William does more royal duties they will not allow Kate to eclipse him, even if his new job is kinda sorta charity work. This is one reason I was disappointed to hear he was taking this job, it essentially means Kate will spend the next 2 years how she spent the past 3, doing very little. Though it is not the job people wanted William to do he is still providing a service, and anyone who does that should be admired. For me I admire him even more because he doesn't have to do this. Rich people who work normal jobs just gives me hope for the world.....Don't ask why.

Lady DC · August 14, 2014, 02:04:24 AM

He has to do something to justify not becoming a full time royal. I am just glad that he is doing something that uses the skills he spent so many years training. It may not be a full time royal position but at least it is something noble and worth while.

As for Kate- I think this suits her perfectly. She will be more than happy to spend this time focusing on being a good little house wife. Yes it gives the Anti Kate Brigade a justifiable reason to criticise her but I don't think this bothers William. He does not care what the media say. Some may argue that this means he does not care about Kate but I don't think this is the case. I personally think he wants to play normal until such a point that he really can't, unless he abdicates.

People were hoping for a new Diana, myself included. Someone who was the Peoples Princess and spends a huge amount of time with their chosen charities but they both married into completely different roles. Diana was married to the heir, Kate is with the heir to the heir. They don't have to do the same amount of work as the Prince and Princess of Wales until they are in that role themselves. At least William isn't doing a few ribbon cuttings here and there and nothing else but trips to Mustique with the Middletons. He will actually be out saving lives which is a far better use of his time. Kate can hardly go out get a normal job, we saw how well that worked for Sophie and she was under far less scrutiny than Kate. So instead she will stay in the shadows until such a time they are both full time royals.

Limabeany · August 14, 2014, 03:18:56 PM

He will be saving lives, yes, but it is not a job only he can do, it is a job many people can do who need that salary because they don't have a daddy to support them so they don't have to dig into their millions and his job could support that and many other charities if he dedicated as much time to supporting them as he does to flying. He has a job, an important job that would involve more than shaking hands, but who is he that shaking hands is beneath him when the Queen who is smarter and more busy than him does it frequently as it is his and her duty? He isn't Einstein or an overactive dynamo... Then, there is the Prince's Trust and the Duchy, about which there is more to learn, when he did not study either politics, agriculture or land management or anything similarly useful for his position, the position he knows is his duty and which he gladly takes money from to pay his bills, which is something he, in his thirties, should not still be postponing for years while reaping the benefits. Anyone who has worked at a large corporation knows, you can't attend one or two meetings with daddy and then say when I get sick of flying I'll see what I can learn. William's life is absurd... His choices lack meaning and focus and his work priorities are not based on his reality, on his position. He has been there and done that, and not moving forward yet, at this stage, makes him look like Peter Pan.

PrincessOfPeace · August 14, 2014, 03:38:12 PM

QuoteHe will be saving lives, yes, but it is a it a job only he can do, it is a job, many people can do who need that salary because they don't have a daddy to support them so they don't have to dig into their millions. Further, he has a job, an important job that would involve more than shaking hands, but who is he that shaking hands is beneath him when the Queen who is smarter and more busy than him does it frequently as it is his and her duty?

Is Harry's job something only he can do? I'm sure many people can do Harry's job that actually need that salary because they don't have a daddy to support them so they don't have to dig into their millions. Harry has been receiving money from his trust fund since the age of 25 and will get the full 10 million in September.

Shouldn't Harry be using his global popularity and resources full-time for the good of the monarchy and his charities instead of
trying to play normal serving in the army and working part-time as a royal

I'll never take the criticisms against William seriously until they get applied across the board consistently and before anyone says well William is the future king, they key word here is future. Since there is no role for the 2nd in line, William is carving one out for himself. Performing public service while continuing with his charities is a fresh approach to 21st century monarchy.

I can't quite get my mind around people slating William for flying an air ambulance for charity and yet praise Harry for sitting behind a desk in Whitehall organising ceremonial events.

Lady Adams · August 14, 2014, 03:51:37 PM

PoP, respectfully, you are always presenting the argument that Willian is *not* the heir, which is why he can't be compared to other Crown Prince & Princesses.

Harry is not even the heir-to-the-heir, or the heir-to-the-heir-to-the-heir.

So why are you comparing his workload to William? William, not Harry, is the future Head of State, and should be preparing for it.

Canuck · August 14, 2014, 03:55:42 PM

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on August 14, 2014, 03:38:12 PM
QuoteHe will be saving lives, yes, but it is a it a job only he can do, it is a job, many people can do who need that salary because they don't have a daddy to support them so they don't have to dig into their millions. Further, he has a job, an important job that would involve more than shaking hands, but who is he that shaking hands is beneath him when the Queen who is smarter and more busy than him does it frequently as it is his and her duty?

Is Harry's job something only he can do? I'm sure many people can do Harry's job that actually need that salary because they don't have a daddy to support them so they don't have to dig into their millions. Harry has been receiving money from his trust fund since the age of 25 and will get the full 10 million in September.

Shouldn't Harry be using his global popularity and resources full-time for the good of the monarchy and his charities instead of
trying to play normal serving in the army and working part-time as a royal

I'll never take the criticisms against William seriously until they get applied across the board consistently and before anyone says well William is the future king, they key word here is future. Since there is no role for the 2nd in line, William is carving one out for himself. Performing public service while continuing with his charities is a fresh approach to 21st century monarchy.

I can't quite get my mind around people slating William for flying an air ambulance for charity and yet praise Harry for sitting behind a desk in Whitehall organising ceremonial events.

:goodpost: Fantastic post, PrincessofPeace!

Limabeany · August 14, 2014, 04:00:48 PM

No, Harry should be living his life and helping out as he does, William in his thirties should be living HIS LIFE which is as Charles heir learning the ropes of what he is to do instead of postponing it endlessly because he refuses to grow up and learn earnestly and full time about his future role still.

What does Prince Harry have to do with William, Canuck and PoP, is Harry going to be King as well, can you defend William on his own, or must you always use the non heir to explain why the heir should be excused from doing his duty indefinitely? That is like using an lemon to explain why it is alright for an orange to be sour... Harry, like all other members of the royal family not expecting to be called King IS normal, they all are, and they all help while living their lives, because no one but William has an actual job they are neglecting and know little about. Let me know when Harry becomes the heir and when Harry is the one to be inheriting the responsibilities for a a Duchy and a Trust he knows precious little about. I'll be waiting right here....

Canuck · August 14, 2014, 04:05:24 PM

I think PoP already explained that quite well, Limabeany:

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I'll never take the criticisms against William seriously until they get applied across the board consistently and before anyone says well William is the future king, they key word here is future. Since there is no role for the 2nd in line, William is carving one out for himself. Performing public service while continuing with his charities is a fresh approach to 21st century monarchy.

In other words: yes, William is the heir. But at this point, he's in the somewhat unique position of being second in line to the throne while being an adult, which isn't something that's happened all that often. There isn't a defined role for what he should be doing. And right now, he and Harry aren't in all that different a position, though you're quite right that Will should be learning about his future role (and he is, obviously by attending Duchy meetings, taking the land management course, etc.). When HM passes on and Charles becomes King, both Will and Harry will become full-time Royals. Until then, they are both performing public service and doing part-time Royal duty. That seems perfectly sensible to me.

Limabeany · August 14, 2014, 04:10:17 PM

I think it is incomprehensible to say that it is great that a man in his thirties with a very complex job he will be inheriting involving the management and decision making in two large enterprises is not involved at this time in fully immersing himself in learning this which will take him years to learn and which will be his responsibility for years to come, he is an asset to no one hiding in the country side, he is doing nothing others cannot do. The only thing I see on PoP and your posts is that you believe everyone else should work full time royal duties before William is expected to, William has a job that is different thatch the rest, and a full time job at that, Harry is expected to help but also to have his own path and he is doing that, William HAS A PATH that he is ignoring and neglecting with the blessing of his fans. Harry is in a different position he doesn't have a Duchy and a Trust he will be involved in and of which he knows very little... There is no need for William to wait for Charles to die or to drag Harry along, Harry can perform more duties in the future but he does not have to become a full time royal if he does not wish to immediately upon the Queen's death, William does. Harry and William, as much as William's fans ride on Harry to excuse William's lack of involvement, are not the same. William and his son will be King and Harry and his children will not.

PrincessOfPeace · August 14, 2014, 04:24:21 PM

Quote from: Canuck on August 14, 2014, 04:05:24 PM
I think PoP already explained that quite well, Limabeany:

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I'll never take the criticisms against William seriously until they get applied across the board consistently and before anyone says well William is the future king, they key word here is future. Since there is no role for the 2nd in line, William is carving one out for himself. Performing public service while continuing with his charities is a fresh approach to 21st century monarchy.

In other words: yes, William is the heir. But at this point, he's in the somewhat unique position of being second in line to the throne while being an adult, which isn't something that's happened all that often. There isn't a defined role for what he should be doing. And right now, he and Harry aren't in all that different a position, though you're quite right that Will should be learning about his future role (and he is, obviously by attending Duchy meetings, taking the land management course, etc.). When HM passes on and Charles becomes King, both Will and Harry will become full-time Royals. Until then, they are both performing public service and doing part-time Royal duty. That seems perfectly sensible to me.

Thanks Canuck. You stated this better than I ever could :thumbsup: