Re: Royal Privacy and Security Throughout the Years

[Curryong]

IMO his payment will be dismissed.

Whose payment? Harry hasn?t been paid anything. Are you talking about his legal case?

[wannable]

Paying the police

[Curryong]

Paying the police

Well, we will see at the end of this case. And as Andrew will continue to get security protection then that anomaly will stick out like a sore thumb for as long as he continues to receive it. It will be highlighted in the British media.

[Curryong]

And what does this mean from your August 11th posting on this thread. (I missed it before.)

?IF Harry wins partially for the UK only he will only get a tiny drop of the (extra) perks that come with having it. Similar to their Jubilee appearance. This is what IMO will happen with the pressure of probably the court establishing he will have to stay within Windsor estate where security is already in place.

IF harry wins 100% = International Protected Person as he thought when Exit happened??

It appears from this post that you thought that Harry wishes for his IPP back. In fact, as I have pointed out, Harry?s legal case against the Committee and the Home Office, is for the UK alone and the IPP thing doesn?t enter into it.

And a court deciding that Harry (and family) can only get security if they stay on the grounds of the Windsor estate. I hardly think any court would order anything of that kind. And the Committee and Home Office certainly wouldn?t. Not with Andrew being able to travel to golf courses, see friends in London, go up to Scotland with impunity, lol!

Prince Andrew to KEEP bodyguards after review of his security detail post Jeffrey Epstein scandal  | Daily Mail Online

Andrew?s security is estimated to cost the public purse between ?2million and ?3million annually. (that?s pounds.)

[wannable]

He had 2 cases, the granted hearing for security and he filed the new case of paying.

He does not live in the UK, by next week allegedly both cases will be decided. Experts say if he wins the security in the UK he will open and push for IPP. He already opened a new case, he is prone to push in every direction related.

[sara8150]

He had 2 cases, the granted hearing for security and he filed the new case of paying.

He does not live in the UK, by next week allegedly both cases will be decided. Experts say if he wins the security in the UK he will open and push for IPP. He already opened a new case, he is prone to push in every direction related.

Yes if Duke of Sussex wins and he will pay security for trips to UK not from his father and grandmother the Queen Elizabeth II period

[Nightowl]

I believe regardless of winning or losing that Harry and Meghan will push every button they can think of and then some against the royal family just because they did not get their own way in the beginning......Harry does not get it at all, just because he was *born* a royal prince does not mean he can have what ever he wants in life when he wants it.....there are lots of born princes out there that have to work for a living and just how much work has Harry done since leaving the royal family......40 hours weeks of work are not something he is used to in life, is it?  He needs to dig some trenches, pick up garbage in parks, clean toilets in gov buildings for a week of work, 40 hours doing that might shake up him a bit....LOL

[Curryong]

I doubt that any member of any royal family anywhere in the world undertakes 40 hour working weeks on a consistent basis as ordinary people do. As for picking up garbage and digging trenches, yes Harry has done that, there were stories of him doing so in Nepal and other places. And there would be very few courtiers, if any, let alone royals or family of royals, who have cleaned toilets in government buildings on a regular basis. Do Andrew, Zara, Peter P, Beatrice, Eugenie, Edward, Sophie, Louise? I would bet not. People born into elite families rarely do. However, Harry has done manual labour and it?s documented.

[Nightowl]

Yes, Harry has way back when he was young, dumb and foolish, yet now he is making horrific decisions for his life and family as he gets older and I bet today he would not dig trenches nor pick up garbage nor clean toilets...that is for those that he looks down on it seems like. 

I always expect fans of the Sussex's to come to their rescue when I say something they don't like here or on other sites......and I stand with the fact that they are showing the world just who they are and are not......lying does not become anyone even a royal prince and his commoner bride (and yes Meghan was born a commoner and nothing wrong with that as it is just a fact).

[Curryong]

And I would bet hundreds of thousands of very wealthy people, commoners and otherwise,  don?t dig trenches, pick up garbage or clean government toilets. Yet they don?t get constantly blasted for it. Harry and Meghan are living with their family in California, not costing the British taxpayer or anybody else, a penny, unlike Uncle Andrew, and are leading private lives. They?re hardly heard of from one week to the next. So why the demand for them to be picking up garbage etc?

And how do you know the Sussexes don?t clean their own toilets, look after their children themselves, cook their family food, garden in their own surrounds, and why should it bother you so much? There have been reports here about the Sussexes on other threads  of charitable donations given, of Invictus and charity polo matches and  conferences and meetings attended both via Skype and in person. Look it up!

It?s OK for Andrew to cost his mother and the Home Office a fortune in security and living expenses apparently, and not be expected to dig trenches and clean toilets. Yet he and his wife have brought an enormous amount of shame onto the BRF with corrupt activities and everything else. However, that is fine it seems.

[wannable]

I believe regardless of winning or losing that Harry and Meghan will push every button they can think of and then some against the royal family just because they did not get their own way in the beginning......Harry does not get it at all, just because he was *born* a royal prince does not mean he can have what ever he wants in life when he wants it.....there are lots of born princes out there that have to work for a living and just how much work has Harry done since leaving the royal family......40 hours weeks of work are not something he is used to in life, is it?  He needs to dig some trenches, pick up garbage in parks, clean toilets in gov buildings for a week of work, 40 hours doing that might shake up him a bit....LOL

It is a problem. The court document has to be fully detailed, precisely because the couple will comb it to find loopholes to push a new button.  The senior royals pattern is to navigate from royal crown or private property apart from work. The work op is more complicated with roads to take, sweeping the location, crowd barriers etc.

Will Harry comply with this secured royal properties or will he want the celebrity hangouts where the police and RPOs are more operationally costly. A rebel is a rebel is a rebel.

An example is the change of pattern with the Cambridge family holidays, cost related image cost related security. From mustique to duchy owned scilly isles. It is pr image and security perfect.

What kind of stay in the UK will Harry want. Details with the Sussexes is very important.

[Curryong]

Really? Is Jordan part of the BRF properties?

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In reality, though Mustique is finished for the moment (Covid?) the Cambridges have often been overseas, and taken their RPOs with them of course. France, skiing etc etc.

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[wannable]

Jordan Royal Family is very good friends with the British Royal Family.. Hotels were scored by paparazzi and journos to no avail!  :hearts:  Yes, the Cambridges have changed their patterns very much.  I do know that for example a perfect secured location in France is where James and Alizee married. These type of properties that are friends with the British Royals is security wise highly regarded and a relief to any police force. The owners of both ski and where James married is British aristos.

With Andrew's Epstein case, the RPO's book of eventualities was detailed in court.  The pattern of his movements, his usual hangouts, including police recommendations, was it taken or not by the subject, etc.

The Sussexes changed by the hour/day during the Queen's Jubilee. They were listed to attend ALL the events, they made last minute changes which affects police escort, etc.  Luckily the change was take me back to Frogmore, located in a secured crown estate.

I can in favor factor in that the Sussexes are a family now, but their last minute moves surely will keep (if they win) security on their (extra and likely unnecesary) toes. Then also the rumors of sending RPO's to do messenger jobs (Canada and Frogmore whilst she was pregnant with Archie and had cravings). 

The downside of being VIP and having security write all the movements and whatever security discusses with the subject is jotted down to a T, date/time/location, etc.

[Curryong]

But you were saying that the Cambridges only holiday on Crown property like the Scilly Isles because it?s such good PR and so cheap and traditional. Jordan is overseas, the family wouldn?t have stinted themselves, the nanny went with them and so did the RPOs. I didn?t say anything about hotels.

And what are we to make of the other trip overseas to Courchevel? They weren?t staying with the ?French royal family? there, but in a luxury ski resort, complete with skiing lessons for the kids and RPOs. That?s very far from Balmoral and the Scillies. The truth is that the Cambridges do holiday abroad, stay in excellent hotels and don?t stint themselves ever. They are like all the others bar the Queen. Even the Wessexes go to Switzerland and other overseas jaunts. So don?t let?s go down that road of pretending that the Cambridges just love cheap summer holidays within Britain.

[wannable]

They've been going to their UK beach holiday in the past 3 years. They could have gone this year to Mustique and did not.  Mustique is a private island, the Caribbean has been open since January.

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The vacation took place in a chalet owned by a family friend valued at $5 million.
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The detailing of whatever the court decides is a must according to expert lawyers. Complying to security recommendations has to be detailed.

[Curryong]

Yes, and went overseas, including also going to Jordan and to France in the last year. And just because a property is owned by a family friend that doesn?t mean the Cambridges got it for free. They played that game in Mustique. The destinations have changed but the overseas holidays haven?t. And  The Scilly Isles holidays were PR add-ons.

And these expert lawyers you keep quoting (links?)  have always seemed to be saying the Sussexes are going to lose their court cases in the past year. And they haven?t.

[wannable]

The ongoing drama of the Sussexes makes the 'reactions' of whatever and whoever the couple involve in to be detailed and precise.

The Cambridges do not act this way. 

[Curryong]

The Cambridges are financially beholden to the UK taxpayer and the Duchy of Cornwall for their lifestyle. They have to be kept in place.

[wannable]

More reason why Harry shouldn't have sued the home office. Hire your own private security company rather than making yourself look like a fool to the world with these fights. He doesn't work for the Monarchy since 2 years ago. 

[Curryong]

Well, he is suing them, and the Committee. In the meantime perhaps the Home Office would care to explain why Andrew still gets 24/7 security when he is a non working royal. It?s making them look like fools. He?s at Balmoral, still being looked after by mummy and the HO.

Prince Andrew joins Queen Elizabeth at Balmoral

[wannable]

He lives in the UK. He lives in Windsor Estate, his pattern of movements are booked, no surprises of last minute changes. A last minute change is deemed  an emergency outside situation rather than a personal meltdown. He has security = RAVEC has evidence of real threat.

Harry doesn't want the options set forth by the BRF when he travels to the UK.  He wants his own RPO's and that comes too with no imposition of where I will stay. It is very clear.  Rejected Clarence House with Charles RPO's.  Went to the Jubilee and accepted the impositon of the Queen's RPO's.  Yet still is suing because he wants his own.  The detailing of the court hast to establish FIRM PLANS of when they come rather than treat every trip as an ''emergency'' due to mood swings of booing and skipping everything else listed, arrive 15 minutes late, to take a cost effective coach/bus with other royals, bus had police escort and RPO's in the bus and during ALL the events.  Harry wants his own escort team.

[PrincessOfPeace]

My understanding is security is provided based on threat assessment. If Harry was truly in the danger he thinks he is, the security would be provided. The Home Office, which has access to all the intelligence, clearly doesn't think Harry's life is in danger.

[Curryong]

My understanding is security is provided based on threat assessment. If Harry was truly in the danger he thinks he is, the security would be provided. The Home Office, which has access to all the intelligence, clearly doesn't think Harry's life is in danger.

And they think Andrew?s is? My understanding is that the HO were preparing to pull it all after he no longer performed royal duties but the Queen objected so it wasn?t done. It had nothing to do with danger according to the news report.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-andrew-to-keep-taxpayerfunded-bodyguards-after-queens-intervention/news-story/77cefa49d25ddab1e5739d1693fb6a48

[wannable]

Yes, hence Omid's article that the Home Office doesn't see it as Omid sees it. Omid has contact with the Sussexes, he can deny it until death, but he has been caught lying and his mask was taken off at Court (thanks to Jason, and the reason why the sussexsquad despise him)!  Omid wants security for all the royals like back in 2010.  I do think Andrew needs his RPO's due to his bad behaviour related to public sentiment related to usually mentally ill people with guns.  The cost when leaving Windsor estate is minimal GBP400K a year.  It can reach GBP 3M a year depending on his movements. He doesn't go out much hence the min/max theory of op costs by journalists.

Harry was used to having his own escort, Meghan got a taste of it, he doesn't want to be with the minor royals, reality check nor wants to be sleeping over at Clarence House with Charles escorts, nor wants the Queen's.

IF he was Okay with the options he wouldn't have sued. He wants to land in the UK and be independent by paying public police privilege rather than a private security company.  He doesn't care to fight the UK government, but he wouldn't do this type of action with the US government state or federal.  Since they live in the USA, and also have the bad behaviour related to public sentiment related to usually mentally ill people with guns...they need their security in the USA rather than focusing on their once in the blue moon visit to the UK, then here comes the lawyer experts saying his end game is IPP.  :laugh:

[wannable]

Many people see clearly through the Sussexes now a days, the few who did since the beginning have been bang on right.  What relationship does this statement have to do? Everything, hence the court has to be detailed to a fine comb. If not, it is 'textbook'' being conned.