The Stuarts (Scotland 1371)-(England/Great Britain 1603-1714)

Started by cinrit, December 28, 2011, 01:07:00 PM

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amabel

well Mary IS a lousy Queen IMO.  As  a person, she might have been very sweet and warm but as a queen she was silly and self indulgent and disastrous.

cinrit

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Limabeany

Trailer for Mary Queen of Scots
MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS 2013 - YouTube

Thomas Imbach's "Mary Queen of Scots" Trailer | Pop Insomniacs

Seems a bit modern and theatrical...  :blank:

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A Queen Who Lost Three Kingdoms.
A Wife Who Lost Three Husbands.
A Woman Who Lost Her Head.

Thomas Imbach's Mary Queen of Scots is based on Stefan Zweig's book Maria Stuart which explores the life and "passionate character" of the ill-fated queen who was condemned for treason by her cousin – Queen Elizabeth I – and subsequently beheaded. The trailer above, which shows the film to be moody and small in scale, jumps right into Mary's relationship with Elizabeth.

Another upcoming film that explores the life and legacy of the Scottish-French queen will be directed by Susanne Bier, with Irish actress Saoirse Ronan in the role of Mary. And earlier this year, The CW network picked up Reign, a period drama that follows Mary's teenage years. Australian actress Adelaide Kane, who recently played Cora in MTV's Teen Wolf, will play Mary. So, it definitely looks like Mary has gained some resurgence in popularity.

Imbach's Mary Queen of Scots will be screened at TIFF (Toronto International Film Festival) next month. It stars Camille Rutherford as Mary.
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cinrit

Thanks, Limabeany.  Yeah, I wasn't happy with the trailer.  Looks to be quite fictionalized.  The only thing I recognized as fact was the last line: "In my end will be my beginning."

Cindy
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Limabeany

You're welcome. I wasn't happy at all. She doesn't convey the strength and spunk and manner I imagine Mary to have had...
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cinrit

QuoteThe National Museum's Mary Queen of Scots exhibition paints a more positive and colourful picture of Scotland's past than you might expect, says Duncan Macmillan

There is an oak chest in the National Museum's Mary Queen of Scots exhibition that at first sight looks like a fine, but unexceptional, piece of late medieval furniture.

Research suggests otherwise. It carries the monogram IM, used by James IV and his wife Margaret Tudor, sister of Henry VIII. It is also made of Scottish oak. Chests to store fine clothes were associated with marriages. The marriage of James and Margaret took place in 1503 and so, without too much stretch of the imagination, this could well be the marriage chest of Margaret Tudor (although as a queen she certainly had more than one). If it is, then this is Scotland's Pandora's Box, for it was out of that marriage that the whole story of the Union evolved. Exactly a century later, in 1603, James VI, great-grandson of James IV and Margaret and so great-great grandson of Henry VII, inherited the English throne, his cousin Elizabeth having no other heir.

Mary Queen of Scots shown in right royal colours - Visual Arts - The Scotsman

Cindy
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Limabeany


:thanks: :thanks: :thanks: Cindy!

QuoteCertainly the Stewarts, or Stuarts as they became, had bad luck. Nevertheless, although we hear about the Tudors, ad nauseam, they were a pretty unpleasant bunch and as a dynasty lasted little more than 100 years. The Stuarts, on the other hand, in spite of all their misfortunes, lasted almost 350 years from the accession of Robert II in 1371 to the death of Queen Anne in 1714. They also brought about the Union of England and Scotland, and whatever you feel about it, that was something that English kings had been trying to achieve since Athelstan and with notable lack of success.

In fact both James IV and James V were European Renaissance princes, energetic and imaginative rulers of one of the earliest self-conscious, modern nation states. The title that James V's daughter, Mary, is always given "of Scots" was the title of all Scottish monarchs. They were kings and queens of their people, not their territory. Even Mary was much more than a sort of 16th-century Lady Di. She made some bad choices, but she showed pragmatism too, and perhaps no-one could have ridden the storms of the Reformation which eventually overwhelmed her.

Although when we look back to that time, what we see is mostly fragments and ruins and this seems to confirm the gloomy view of Scottish history that tragedies like Flodden, or indeed Mary's own unhappy end, suggest piece it all together and you get a different picture. While the main aim of the exhibition is to tell Mary's story, it also looks at the Stuarts in the 16th century more widely and there is enough to suggest that they had glamour
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cinrit

You're welcome, Limabeany. :flower:   Fun people, those Tudors and Stuarts. :hehe:

Cindy
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Limabeany

Can I go back for just one day? Where did Jules Verne go?  :happy15:
"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

cinrit

I'd be happy to go back for just a couple of hours so that I could see what Darnley looked like.  He must've looked spectacular to have turned Mary completely upside down in love.  It sure wasn't his personality. :wacko:

Cindy
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Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

amabel

Quote from: cinrit on September 02, 2013, 01:29:53 PM
I'd be happy to go back for just a couple of hours so that I could see what Darnley looked like.  He must've looked spectacular to have turned Mary completely upside down in love.  It sure wasn't his personality. :wacko:

Cindy
I think it was more a sexual infatuation.  her marriage to Francis II had  possibly not been consummated, or only fitfully.  She was ripe for sexual experience and she was very silly...  and inexperienced.

Lothwen

Considering most people didn't bathe very often back then, and wouldn't have cleaned their teeth I would have to think that we wouldn't have found any of the men or women to be very attractive.  Smell is a definite turn-off
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Limabeany

 :notworthy: :notworthy: AMEN TO THAT!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

cinrit

You're right, Lothwen, about the smell.  How anyone managed to procreate is beyond me.  But then, if everyone smelled (or should I say "since" everyone smelled), they probably cancelled each other out. :lol:  I think Darnley would have to be portrayed by someone blond and a little effeminate.  At least, that's my impression of what he looked like, from his portrait. 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Henry-stuart-darnley.jpg/220px-Henry-stuart-darnley.jpg

In the 1971 version of "Mary Queen of Scots", Timothy Dalton (yes, the same Timothy Dalton who went on to play James Bond), with blond hair, played Henry Darnley.

http://pelicanpromotions.com.au/dalton/Mqscots.jpg

Cindy
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Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

Lothwen

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cinrit

I agree with Lothwen ... absolutely perfect. :thumbsup:

Cindy
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Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.


Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

PaulaB

Queen who lost three husbands husband one was younger than her sickly, husband two well the reason the church never canonised her was the murder of her second husband husband number three the man who murdered number two he died in a lunatic asylum.  She was politically stupid upset Catherine medici upset the nobles in Scotland and was the worst plotter out.

cinrit

Very true, Paula.  Elizabeth I was the one with spunk and strength, not Mary.  I've imagined Mary Queen of Scots as self-centered, immature, and easily led by men, even after her imprisonment by Elizabeth.  Men convinced her that she could succeed in a rebellion to oust Elizabeth and take over the throne.

Cindy
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PaulaB

Elizabeth survived Henry VIII and they first tried to get her executed when she was 15 claiming she committed treason with Thomas Seymour a man who she said had much wit but very little judgement.  Mary was easily led.

cinrit

That's it in a nutshell.  Elizabeth was a survivor, Mary was not.

Cindy
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