Marie's Wild Past: Will she still become a Danish Princess?

serene grace · November 09, 2007, 09:16:53 AM

The photos were fake , reportedly. I guess some of you were correct. :cry:

sambarumba · November 09, 2007, 09:40:36 AM

Quote from: princesslily on November 09, 2007, 12:38:39 AM
So women are prudes these days if they are not into sex tapes?

no, men AND women are prudes if they assume everyone is innocent and noone has a past or when the past of a person comes out they are ***s because they have knowledge of certain things while before they were seen as "princess material".

Quote from: Lillianna on November 09, 2007, 12:58:41 AM
They are expected to be above it all. Otherwise, they would have no purpose. They are not elected, nor are they more educated or more intelligent than the general populace. Without the mystique, or the sense of exclusivity, it all comes crashing down. And that is the problem here... scandals and poor reputations, etc., are like poison to the RF. If they cannot command the respect of the general public then they become insignificant. That is why the Queen of England has always said, "if they want us to go, then we will go quietly". She knows more than most what is required of the people in those roles.

It's not to say that a princess/future princess can't have a sex tape, it's just that it would be preferable if she did not, and much more than that, it would be preferable that people not know about it. The RFs must not be tainted by even so much as a hint of scandal. That is one of the ground rules.

i hear what youre saying and i think youre right in the sense that there is actually no need for rf's in countries that have a democratic leadership. it's wonderful to believe that they should be above it all, but where does that really happen? charles didnt bring any glory to the british rf and neither did prince albert to his. the crown prince marrying the daughter of jorge zorreguita didnt mean the end of the dutch monarchy as well. im sure there are many more similar example in other monarchies, im just not familiar with them.

my point is those things could theoratically mean the end of all of those monarchies, yet they are still intact. why? not because the public accepts them anyhow, because i know aside from some royal fans in the netherlands, people in general didnt like maxima at first because of her father's past and we all know what we think of camilla. it is because the rf's can get away with it.

for that reason i think, even if those pictures were real, the danish monarchy wouldnt be in trouble. they never are. when was the last time a monarchy seized to exist because of scandal?

Elisevonblah · November 09, 2007, 02:35:13 PM

Quote from: serene grace on November 09, 2007, 09:16:53 AM
The photos were fake , reportedly. I guess some of you were correct. :cry:

I thought they looked a little fake, like her head and torso had been pasted on another bum/body, but I thought maybe I was reaching at straws. If they are fake, that was a terrible thing for the press/the ex to do to Marie, Joachim and the whole DRF and this scandal will tarnish Marie's reputation and her wedding, How sad.

Siempre Vuelva · November 09, 2007, 03:20:14 PM

Quote from: serene grace on November 09, 2007, 09:16:53 AM
The photos were fake , reportedly. I guess some of you were correct. :cry:

I told you soooo...hehe... :D

Lillianna · November 09, 2007, 04:23:15 PM

I haven't seen any photos...? But it IS Se og Hør we're talking about. I've never read it myself, but I have always gathered that a great big pinch of salt is always to be recommended when reading any of their articles.

If they are fake, then the RF has done the right thing by maintaining a dignified silence. This way, it ought to come back and bite the magazine in the butt.

moley · November 09, 2007, 04:29:39 PM

The picture look like her....They are Fake? says who.

Countessa · November 09, 2007, 05:54:03 PM

Who says they are fake? And if that's been said, who else would have said it but the RF? Whether the pics are fake or not the RF's complete silence has been damaging to Marie. And she has reportedly been in contact with the ex to say she was upset about what he was doing. Is that incorrect too. What is it that she was upset about? And to make no comment about an alleged video is also wrong. This is a time when silence has not been a good thing.

When the Sun tabloid printed that picture of Sophie just before her wedding, the Queen came right out and blasted them for doing it. She called it "premeditated cruelty" and the Sun apologized to Sophie. Fake? If so, what is taking Joachim and the RF so long to defend Marie?

serene grace · November 09, 2007, 06:20:53 PM

http://www.abc.es/20071108/gente-ocio-gente/montaje-indigno_200711080815.html

I can't read Spanish, but I think this is the article that reportedly said the photo was a fake. :unsure:

I guess Siempre was correct, the photo is supposedly not her. Maybe someone can translate. :flowers:

Countessa · November 09, 2007, 06:33:33 PM

For more than a month this has gone on. The chatter is apparently now at full throttle. Is that why, rather belatedly, there is some attempt to respond to this? Obvious several newspapers and all the tabs in Denmark have been talking about this, not just 1 newspaper as had been suggested. If this wasn't proving to be very damaging there wouldn't be the beginnings of damage control. I'd like to know if any Danish papers are saying that at least this 1 picture is a fake?

Siempre Vuelva · November 09, 2007, 06:55:34 PM

To me it doesn't even look like her...not at all...none of the Danish papers has been talking about this picture...I should know...Denmark is a rather small country and I live here!! hehe :D

Countessa · November 09, 2007, 07:05:08 PM

That's strange since I've seen the story of the tape in the Swedish, German and Spanish tabs. Just because it's only in the tabs doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It still affects the perception of Marie. How can Joachim or the RF want that? Furthermore, I have seen the story of the tape in other Danish newspapers. Strange you haven't happened upon any of them.

serene grace · November 09, 2007, 07:08:33 PM

It looks like her face/head maybe placed on another girls body. Can someone translate the article in link above? If possible......thank u if someone does.

Countessa · November 09, 2007, 07:25:13 PM

The article says Marie's ex is demanding millions of dollars to sell pics of her. It says although a French mag says the pics are of her, they are nothing more than photoshopped -- they offer no evidence or statements by a third party or source that this is the case. It also says the DRF has kept a dignified silence about all of this.

I found the translation by copying the title of the article into the google search engine, clicked to search, and then clicked on "translate this page".

Siempre Vuelva · November 09, 2007, 07:27:52 PM

Ohhh I think they just ride out the storm...they are used to all sorts of these allegations...
But I'm not here to defend Marie, the DRF or anyone else.
It doesn't matter if it's NOT her and it doesn't matter if her x-boyfriend is LYING!!! You know what I really don't care whether there is a naked picture or not..or if there is a sex-tape or not...the royal families are not what they used to. This is what to expect when commenors marry into a public family as the royal ones. A divorse wouldn't have been okay before, not to speak of getting an education with commenors or go out in the clubs with commenors or sleep together with them and live with them before they even marry...times changes...not that it makes it okay IF there is a sex-tape.
But lets not forget that Joachim chose her that's why she is perfect for him and then we can hope that she will grow into her new role with some help from the DRF!
Unlike them we do not grow up knowing that we have to be able to look the whole world in the eyes what ever we do...*pheewww* ;)
And thanks Countessa...I did that too!! :D

Countessa · November 09, 2007, 08:25:44 PM

If these allegations are true, and they look to be true at least in part, then the RF really can't defend her and so a "dignified" silence is all they can offer. What else can they do? It's one thing to have one photo but a whole slew of them plus video? Not much they can do and that is Marie's fault. The fact that this is being discussed in several papers/tabs/mags around the world must be humiliating for all involved but that too is Marie's fault, imo. Yes, the ex-bf is a sleaze but he was handed the power over Marie's dignity by Marie herself. No, RF's today are not perfect and they all have their scandalous pasts as well but that doesn't change how I feel about Marie now. Maybe she'll learn to keep a distance from those Danish tabs instead of being so eager to grin in their faces. The Danes seem tolerant and compassionate though. Can't wait to see how this unfolds.

serene grace · November 09, 2007, 08:53:52 PM

Quote from: Countessa on November 09, 2007, 07:25:13 PM
The article says Marie's ex is demanding millions of dollars to sell pics of her. It says although a French mag says the pics are of her, they are nothing more than photoshopped -- they offer no evidence or statements by a third party or source that this is the case. It also says the DRF has kept a dignified silence about all of this.

I found the translation by copying the title of the article into the google search engine, clicked to search, and then clicked on "translate this page".

Thank you Countessa.

Elisevonblah · November 09, 2007, 09:46:08 PM

This situation reminds me of a movie called "The Contender". It is about a female politician who, while running for the senate, has a sex tape from her college days released by someone. Through the whole movie the press hound her for a statement and it almost brings her career to a halt, but at the end of the film it is revealed that the girl in the film is not her, something she knew all along. When asked why she didn't come out to defend herself she says simply that it was beneath her to comment on such a thing, that commenting would have validated it and that the truth would eventually be revealed. The only people who look foolish and shameful as the film ends are her detractors and the press who judged her guilty with no real evidence except a 30 year old grainy film.

Perhaps the DRF were investigating their legal options and that was why they chose not to comment on the situation, or perhaps they decided that if they started commenting on every rumor in the tabs they would never get a moments peace.

I also think it is unfair to say that Marie somehow deserves this because she was too chatty at the beginning of her romance with Joachim. The press don't care if you have never spoken to them, or if you chat with them everyday. They would still have run this story no matter what Marie had done previously. And if I was Marie I would be on the phone to my ex berating him, especially if the photos were fake. I mean that is a good question; why are you selling fake nude photos of me? Why would someone be so cruel for money? What is this dude's problem?

Countessa · November 09, 2007, 10:44:59 PM

Well why won't the Danes send the secret police to have a talk with this guy? It worked for Princess Letizia when her ex-husband even thought he might have wanted to talk about their marriage. Why just let this go and go and go? We still don't know if a tape is yet to surface. Luckily it hasn't yet but everytime I get a sense of relief the other shoe drops. Hold your breath everyone!!

ps: I'm not saying Marie deserves this because she talked to the press, I just think it is ironic that after opening herself up to them they are doing the worst thing they can possibly do to her much like her sleazy former boyfriend.

Elisevonblah · November 09, 2007, 10:53:05 PM

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ps: I'm not saying Marie deserves this because she talked to the press, I just think it is ironic that after opening herself up to them they are doing the worst thing they can possibly do to her much like her sleazy former boyfriend.

I think that is just how the press are. They have no friends, only profits and circulation numbers. They are happy to use someone in whatever way they can make the most money. Hopefully this will be a care of "once bitten, twice shy" for Marie. Let's hope that she learns her lesson.

princesslily · November 10, 2007, 12:03:01 AM

Thank Goodness!!!

Countessa · November 14, 2007, 12:32:20 AM

From what I can gather Joachim and Marie are still planning their wedding and are looking for the right church. I would hope it is in Denmark not France as it is reported that MC wants to be married in France. More sillyness from her as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't she get it? I also think she'd better have a good grasp of the Danish language by the time of her wedding after what now appears to be a mini-scandal involving pics and video showing Miss France in a not so princess-in-waiting way.

The video: apparently it is on the ex's home computer from when Marie was at boarding school in Switzerland at age 17. My guess is that it is probably embarrassing but not explosive since sleaze ball was only initially asking 100,000 euros for it. I also think it's probably not of the best quality either (grainy, dark). Who knows, though. This could be a tempest in a tea cup or there is more to come, perhaps as we get closer to the wedding. So far, Marie has weathered the storm although she hasn't been seen in public. The tabs have only managed to scrounge up one photo of her backside and some believe it is a fake. The DRF isn't commenting.

moley · November 14, 2007, 10:32:23 PM

If it was a fake they would have try to file a lawsuite.....

princesslily · November 15, 2007, 08:51:34 AM

If it is not a fake, I will not like her at all. I will wait to find out proper information before I judge again. I need to know the real story not from a tabloid.

I could be wrong but from the video I watched of their first engagement interview with the press, she seems like the kind of girl with a bad reputation who is pretending to be sweet and good.

Kuei Fei · November 21, 2007, 11:57:28 PM

I sincerely wonder why a lot of the royals these days expect deference. It's up to William now to find someone free of scandal and without a sordid past.

QuoteDoesn't she get it?

I don't think so.

Countessa · November 22, 2007, 03:30:18 PM

Apparently, they are going to be married in Denmark on May 24th, which is the only appropriate thing to do.

If William marries Kate he will have found someone without a sordid past but who continues the low standards since she is without any accomplishments except bedding and now waiting for PW to propose while she does absolutely nothing with her life.