Prince Harry's drunken 3am brawl

[Nighthawk]

If the photographers didn't get in their faces all the time maybe harry wouldn't have a problem, one can only take so much crap from another person before they do something about it. 

[Wombat]

STRESSED HARRY BLOWS HIS TOP  ~ Sunday Express

[M]

If the photographers didn't get in their faces all the time maybe harry wouldn't have a problem, one can only take so much crap from another person before they do something about it. 

If people didn't make excuses for Harry all the time, maybe he'd grow up.   :notamused:

[Wombat]

I still think it's incredibly odd that a 40+ year-old man hangs out and goes to nightclubs with a 22 year-old <_<

[M]

He's not a bodyguard?  :blink:

[Wombat]

No...apparently he is Harry's mentor :shrug:

Harry Assaulted Me ~ Sky News

[Wombat]

Toronto Star...Harry not in scuffle, Prince Charles says

Clarence House, Prince Charles's London office, denies Prince Harry was involved in a scuffle with a photographer as he left a nightclub. Harry was alleged to have lashed out at a photographer as he left a popular celebrity haunt in central London early yesterday. Several Sunday newspapers ran photos of Harry apparently stumbling to the ground and being helped to his feet. In one picture, he is seen standing behind photographer Nirach Tanner, who claims the prince tried to assault him.

Sunday Sun...Prince in assault claims

Harry, an officer with the Blues and Royals, was pictured in London-based newspapers apparently stumbling to the ground.In another shot he is seen standing behind photographer Nirach Tanner.Mr Tanner claimed: "He screamed at me to f*** off, then grabbed me and tried to shove me over. He had his hands around my collar and back. It was an assault.""

To lila..

[M]

I'll be Harry's new mentor.   :)

Step #1: No more than 2 drinks when you go out!   :windsor:

[apple]

Clarence House has denied reports that Prince Harry was involved in a fracas with a photographer as he left a London nightclub on Saturday morning.

Harry club fracas claims denied ~ BBC

[Nighthawk]

I wasn't making an excuse for Harry, he's got CH for that.  :notamused: 

[vimto]

Aww damn...he does look like an absolute prat in those pics, but why are they so MEEEAN!?

[Toujours]

the papparazi probably were egging harry on. some of these people say very mean things and when youre intoxicated youre not thinking straight to begin with.
i was disappointed to turn on the tv this morning and find the news calling harry a "disappointment to the royal family" again. minus this incident, hes been more scandal- free lately than william has been. not to mention, hes mildly stepping up to his duties and hes going to iraq.
throw the kid a freakin bone people.  :gaah:
on another note: again, why arent people making william, harry, kate and chelsy go out the back doors to clubs? this would help eliminate this situation. those advisors cannot make decisions for the young princes, but they really should pressure them to change something. this is obviously an issue with harry. he could have handled himself better, but the press isnt about to state harrys reasons and whether or not the lunge was encouraged or not.

[Cassidy]

Harry did go out the back door, at least according to the first article. The paps were there as well. :shrug:

No assault? Having a laugh? I take it they haven't seen the pics from the Daily Mail. :notamused:

[Harry2me4ever]

i blame his guards. and that natalie has got to go!

[M]

Harry needs to stop drinking so much!   :gaah:

It's a sign of emotional instability.   :notamused:

He probably needs counseling.   :mellow:

He may need to quit drinking altogether, as he is showing signs of alcoholism (as are many Britons, these days).  :cry:

I'd also recommend that he get spiritual direction.   :nod: 

It's too bad he's not Catholic.   <_< 

Confession and solid spiritual direction would do him a world of good!  :thumbsup:

[dizzylizzy13]

I agree.

I think that photographer must have yelled something at him to provoke him, though -- the paps do that a lot these days. I'd probably have the same reaction as Harry if I'd had a lifetime of this.

Where the hell is PC right now? To end up with both sons having drinking problems tells me he's not been as good a father as the princes would like to wish ...  :thumbsdown:

[Cassidy]

We don't know they have drinking problems. From the looks of it they just like to go out drinking when they can. Which happens to be pretty frequently :unsure:

[M]

 :rolleyes:

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Cassidy!   :P

[dizzylizzy13]

Given the reports of drunkeness at private parties as well, I don't think they save their drinking for nights at the club only ... :shrug:

[sambarumba]

bad day for both brothers. i dont get why they havent learned their lesson yet after everything.

drinking is not cool. period. it is fun, i have to admit. it is a lot of fun for those looking at drunk people who are making a complete fool of theirselves.

harry may think there's a chance he might die in iraq, but there's a high chance he might not and then he has to come back and face whatever he is going through now. and if (god willing not!) something does happen there, this is something ppl will always remember about him.

william has no excuse. he needs to be a man and get rid of his hanger on instead of sending slight hints to her each time he is tipsy/drunk.

these boys seem to be losing their dignity. they are not 17 years old anymore ( even if they were, that still wouldnt have been an excuse). they seriously need to grow up.

[Pri]

If people didn't make excuses for Harry all the time, maybe he'd grow up.   :notamused:

I agree...I think Harry's felt some of the consequences felt by his actions, but not entirely.  I think it's possible that some people around him soften the blow.  That's what happens with children of the wealthy and influential. There's so many people who want to get at them I don't think any of it goes very far.  I think that's sad.

I still think it's incredibly odd that a 40+ year-old man hangs out and goes to nightclubs with a 22 year-old <_<

I agree. I've always noticed that both William and Harry have friends who are much older than them.  That's fine, I'm glad they are mature enough to have relationships with people older than them, ablle to carry on decent conversations and aren't always around the same immature idiots that are their age---I'm generalizing. I wonder if they hang around William and Harry because they want to be around THE PRINCES and are willingly to go about doing whatever William and Harry do, whether or not it jives with their own interests or not. 
I mean what the hell is a 40 year old man doing in Bougis with a 22 year old guy and a 29 year old woman?? Which leads me to my next point isn't Natalie a little old be be hanging out with Harry? I would understand it more if they were childhood friends--but she's pushing 30. I don't think 30's old--it just seems a bit odd for her to be going out with Harry.  Tell me if I'm wrong...

[MapleLeaf]

Pri I agree with a lot of what you've said.  :thumbsup:

Supposedly Natalie Pinkham is about 6 years older than Harry, and since a 22 year old man is no where near the normal maturity level of a 28 or 29 year old woman,  ??? why IS she hanging around Harry anyway?  I really believe that this time her attendence at Boujis at the same time that Harry was there is a coincidence; why not?  I'm sure she goes to Boujis with her friends even when Harry isn't there. 

But that doesn't change the fact that bad press seems to follow Harry wherever Natalie goes.  ;)

As for Mark Dyer, I'd read that he's around 10 years older than Harry and Wills, and he's married to someone close to them.  I've seen his name connected to both princes for sometime, but especially Harry.  I guess he could be labeled as his mentor; but IMO he's more in the nature of a minder than a mentor, and if so he wasn't doing his job very well.  :thumbsdown:

I don't consider it to be excusing Harry to say I understand why he chased that pap.  That's the guy that snapped the photo of Harry in the stairwell with Natalie in the stairwell last year, that man caused him some grief with Chelsy I'm sure! 
Of course that doesn't make it right for Harry to try to put his hands on him, but it does make it understandable.  Especially if Harry was tipsy.  And that's my point.  I don't think Harry was falling down drunk.  Tipsy yes, but not      p!ssing drunk.  I think he genuinely slipped and fell because he stepped on a slick spot or something.  Things like that can happen to anyone, but sensationalism and exaggerations are the stock in trade of the tabs, so this footfall of Harry's was manna from heaven for them.
I agree that both Wills and Harry need to be more circumspect and mature in their behaviour, but I don't feel that they're really as bad as the tabs make them seem.  Again I think it's sensationalism to sell papers.  I think some of their activities are truly taken out of context, and I think this situation with Harry has been taken out of context.  I think Harry has matured a lot in the last couple of years, and the tabs are just trying to spin more of their 'Wild Prince' headlines because that's the label they've chosen to give him. 

I think that Harry and Wills both need to drink less and being more discreet in their actions, but I really believe that their situations have been exaggerated. 
I don't believe they're innocent little lambs who never do anything wrong on their own and they're being led astray by their friends, and neither do I believe that they're these dilettante rich boys who feel that they're entitled to act like alcohol crazed morons wherever they go and be excused and praised for it.

I think the truth is truly somewhere in the middle for both of them, and we have to see it for ourselves because the tabs will never support that POV.

[EmpressofIndia]

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[Nighthawk]

Where do they come up with these titles.  :gaah:

[Jenee]

I don't consider it to be excusing Harry to say I understand why he chased that pap.  That's the guy that snapped the photo of Harry in the stairwell with Natalie in the stairwell last year, that man caused him some grief with Chelsy I'm sure! 

I do understand where you are coming from ML. However, it was Harry's own fault for partying until 5am that day, wasn't it? I'm not saying the boy can't go out and have a good time, but his drinking really seems to be getting out of hand.

Did you see how red his face was?! :faint: He was most certainly drunk, regardless of what palace spin doctors say!

Even if paps were screaming obscene comments about harry, his girlfriend, his mother, his grandmother, whatever, he's a royal and he should have kept eyes forward and just gotten into the car. The paps are there specifically to provoke this type of behavior and by Harry lashing out at them, the paps win.

SOMEONE at Clarence House needs to take the reigns here and knock some sense into both Harry and William! These drunken escapades can not continue. It is utterly disgraceful.

Harry and William are not "normal" 20-somethings and as much as they think they are trying to act like "normal" people, going out every weekend and making a fool of yourself sure as hell isn't the way to do it. If they want to be seen as "normal" they should stop accepting free drinks, free vacations, etc, and become productive members of society, like all the other college graduates that I know.

:soap: