The Queen in Scottish Independence Debate

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PrincessOfPeace

May 15, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
Quote"Since 1999 Scotland has had two Parliaments: one in Edinburgh for devolved, domestic matters, and the other at Westminster for UK-wide issues. Scotland had its own Parliament until the Act of Union of 1707, when the Parliament in London took responsibility for legislation in Scotland. In a referendum on 11 September 1997, a majority of the Scottish public voted in favour of a Scottish Parliament. The first session was held on 12 May 1999 and the Scottish Parliament was officially opened by The Queen on 1 July 1999 in its temporary building on the Mound in Edinburgh. The new Scottish Parliament building was formally opened The Queen on 9 October 2004.
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cinrit

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September 04, 2014, 12:31:46 PM
QuoteScottish "Yes" Vote May Not Be Such a Big Change for Queen

BALMORAL CASTLE, Scotland/LONDON, Sept 3 (Reuters) - S cotland's vote on independence this month means Queen Elizabeth faces a division in her kingdom not seen since the days of her namesake Elizabeth I at the start of the 17th century. But some things may not change so much.

Whatever the outcome, Queen Elizabeth is likely to still be queen of Scotland, since most Scots are keen to retain her as head of state even if they vote to go it alone.

After almost 64 years on the throne, Elizabeth is set to overtake Queen Victoria in September next year as Britain's - and both England and Scotland's - longest reigning monarch.

But celebrations then might be muted if Scots vote for independence this Sept. 18, although opinion polls suggest they will not.
The date of the potential split, March 24, 2016, is laden with historical significance: It would be exactly 413 years after the crowns of the two countries were united following the death of Elizabeth I in 1603.

More: Scottish "Yes" vote may not be such a big change for queen | Mail Online

Cindy
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cinrit

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September 07, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
QuoteQueen Has 'Great Deal of Concern' Over Yes Vote

The Queen has a "great deal of concern" over the prospect of Scotland breaking away from the UK, palace aides have revealed.  While palace officials say the Queen is neutral over the referendum, a senior source claimed: "There is now a great deal of concern."

Senior aides are worried that she will be pitched into a constitutional crisis that threatens her status as Scottish head of state and her oath to uphold the Church of Scotland.

More: Queen has 'great deal of concern' over Yes vote - ITV News

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Limabeany

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September 07, 2014, 01:29:11 PM Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 01:31:39 PM by Limabeany
Surge in support for independence sparks 'great deal of concern' in Buckingham Palace amid fears over Queen's role in a separate Scotland | Mail

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The Queen has not intervened in the debate on independence, but has previously publicly praised the union.

In a speech she gave to MPs on her Silver Jubilee in 1977 she said: 'I number kings and queens of England and of Scotland, and princes of Wales among my ancestors and so I can readily understand these aspirations.

'But I cannot forget that I was crowned Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

'Perhaps this jubilee is a time to remind ourselves of the benefits which union has conferred, at home and in our international dealings, on the inhabitants of all parts of this United Kingdom.'

Constitutional experts fear independence could throw up divided loyalties for the Queen if there was a clash between Scotland and the rump-UK in the future.

One solution would be to appoint a 'governor general' in Edinburgh to act in the Queen's name. This could lead Scotland to eventually ditching the Royal family and becoming a republic within the European Union, experts have claimed.

Palace officials say the Queen is neutral over the referendum, a senior royal source claimed: 'The Queen is a unionist... There is now a great deal of concern.'

The source added: 'If there is a 'yes' vote, that puts us into uncharted territory constitutionally. Nothing is certain. Her being Queen of Scotland is not a given.'

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

Limabeany

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September 07, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Scottish 'Yes' vote may not be such a big change for queen | Reuters

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(Reuters) - Scotland's vote on independence this month means Queen Elizabeth faces a division in her kingdom not seen since the days of her namesake Elizabeth I at the start of the 17th century. But some things may not change so much.

Whatever the outcome, Queen Elizabeth is likely to still be queen of Scotland, since most Scots are keen to retain her as head of state even if they vote to go it alone.

After almost 64 years on the throne, Elizabeth is set to overtake Queen Victoria in September next year as Britain's - and both England and Scotland's - longest reigning monarch.

But celebrations then might be muted if Scots vote for independence this Sept. 18, although opinion polls suggest they will not.

The date of the potential split, March 24, 2016, is laden with historical significance: It would be exactly 413 years after the crowns of the two countries were united following the death of Elizabeth I in 1603.
"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

Limabeany

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September 07, 2014, 01:38:52 PM
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/queen-horrified-that-scotland-might-go-it-alone/story-fnb64oi6-1227050425460?nk=6efbc51f6eb66e8f7a89c46ff7e42a27

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Palace aides, ministers and MPs close to the royal family said the Queen was a firm unionist and revealed that the prospect of a "yes" vote "horrifies" her household.

Senior sources said a victory for the nationalists would plunge the monarchy into the "uncharted territory" of a constitutional crisis over her role as head of state.

With momentum behind the nationalists, a senior royal source said: "The queen is a unionist. Lots of people were telling us that it was going to be OK but there is now a great deal of concern."

Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister, has said the union of the Scottish and English crowns, dating back to 1603, would not be affected by a "yes" vote to dissolve the union, which was created in 1707.

Today's YouGov poll reveals that 54 per cent of Scottish voters want the Queen to remain head of state, with 31 per cent preferring an elected figurehead. In the UK as a whole just 45 per cent think she should remain the Scottish head of state.

Palace aides are unnerved by the uncertainty about what could follow. The source said: "If there is a 'yes' vote, that puts us into uncharted territory constitutionally. Nothing is certain. Her being queen of Scotland is not a given."

An MP who is close to the royal family said the prospect of independence "horrifies the palace". Royal aides say that the Queen is receiving daily updates on the referendum debate from Sir Christopher Geidt, her private secretary, who is in close touch with ministers, and Sir Jeremy Heywood, the cabinet secretary.

One said: "The Queen has been kept closely informed by both her ministers and private secretaries on the referendum and maintains a really close interest in the debate. Everybody at the palace is hoping we will stay together."

Palace aides say the Queen is concerned about what independence would mean for the Church of Scotland. She is bound by oath to preserve the church in Scotland where it is self-governing.
"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

Limabeany

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September 07, 2014, 01:41:28 PM
Queen may be forced to send Governor-General to Edinburgh if Scotland goes independent | Mail Online

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The Queen may be forced to appoint an Australian-style 'governor general' to rule in her name in Scotland if the country votes for independence next month, it has been claimed.

Constitutional experts fear independence could throw up divided loyalties for the Queen if there was a clash between Scotland and the rump-UK in the future.

One solution would be to appoint a 'governor general' in Edinburgh to act in the Queen's name. This could lead Scotland to eventually ditching the Royal family and becoming a republic within the European Union, claim experts.
"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

TLLK

#7
September 07, 2014, 03:42:53 PM
Thank you team RIF for the articles. Also being  of Scottish ancestry HM has deep ties to the country with her obvious love of Balmoral and the nation's culture.

For those of you in the UK, what is the general feeling of Scotland voting for independence?
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