QuoteThe Duchess of York has supported her ex-husband Prince Andrew at an official engagement, in what is seen as a further sign of her return to the royal fold.
She joined the Duke of York and their daughters, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, at St James's Palace for the Pitch@Palace event to promote British entrepreneurship.
It is bound to fuel growing speculation about the closeness of the relationship between Andrew and Sarah. They separated in March 1992, six years after their engagement, and divorced in 1996.
The couple, who still live under the same roof, have remained on good terms and have brought up their daughters together. Last month the Queen gave the duchess permission to hold a gala for her charity Children in Crisis in the state apartments at Windsor Castle. She has long been said to have remained very fond of her former daughter-in-law.
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nothing says - these people need major therapy - more than Andy and Fergie. I guess some see them as star crossed lovers forced apart y the rigidity of the RF and the mean tabloids but I do not buy that. Andrew supports her in the spirit of keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. Fergie is a loose cannon and she is in constant need of money and has already demonstrated over and over again her propensity for making money by playing on her real and imagined royal connections. Abandoned by Andrew she might be tempted to do some real damage.
Andrew is alleged to have said he has "three daughters" - referring to his so called beloved as a child. He also has said that the only reason he still lets her live at the Lodge is because of his daughters. Hardly sounds like a man wildly in love with his ex wife.
Given how often she has exploited her family to make money - I suspect the rumors of a remarriage are put out there by Fergie.
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Quote from: cate1949 on November 09, 2014, 02:24:07 AM
nothing says - these people need major therapy - more than Andy and Fergie. I guess some see them as star crossed lovers forced apart y the rigidity of the RF and the mean tabloids but I do not buy that. Andrew supports her in the spirit of keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. Fergie is a loose cannon and she is in constant need of money and has already demonstrated over and over again her propensity for making money by playing on her real and imagined royal connections. Abandoned by Andrew she might be tempted to do some real damage.
Andrew is alleged to have said he has "three daughters" - referring to his so called beloved as a child. He also has said that the only reason he still lets her live at the Lodge is because of his daughters. Hardly sounds like a man wildly in love with his ex wife.
Given how often she has exploited her family to make money - I suspect the rumors of a remarriage are put out there by Fergie.
:goodpost: cate. Totally agree!
Quote from: cate1949 on November 09, 2014, 02:24:07 AM
nothing says - these people need major therapy - more than Andy and Fergie. I guess some see them as star crossed lovers forced apart y the rigidity of the RF and the mean tabloids but I do not buy that. Andrew supports her in the spirit of keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. Fergie is a loose cannon and she is in constant need of money and has already demonstrated over and over again her propensity for making money by playing on her real and imagined royal connections. Abandoned by Andrew she might be tempted to do some real damage.
Andrew is alleged to have said he has "three daughters" - referring to his so called beloved as a child. He also has said that the only reason he still lets her live at the Lodge is because of his daughters. Hardly sounds like a man wildly in love with his ex wife.
Given how often she has exploited her family to make money - I suspect the rumors of a remarriage are put out there by Fergie.
Andrew exploits his family connections to make money also.
Sarah did go out there and earn her own money and paid off the enormous debts made while married. Sarah should have been given a better divorce settlement than she received. Had she been given a fair settlement she wouldn't be out there "using her royal connections". She is the Mother of two royal daughters and with that comes expenses that she cannot afford.
Sarah has a big problem of trying to please everyone by giving them something whether it is her time or just a gift, that gets expensive. Everyone uses their connections and opportunities to earn a living. Why is Sarah held to a different standard?
Andrew was joking when he said Sarah was his child as a way to deflect the reporters question. Sarah lives with Andrew because that is where he wants her. He loves her and was pressured into ending their marriage to please others.
If Sarah was there simply for her daughters then she would be gone by now. Her daughters are grown and capable of purchasing a home for their Mother if they wanted to. They know she would not be cast out into the darkness with no place to turn.
Quote from: cate1949 on November 09, 2014, 02:24:07 AM
nothing says - these people need major therapy - more than Andy and Fergie. I guess some see them as star crossed lovers forced apart y the rigidity of the RF and the mean tabloids but I do not buy that. Andrew supports her in the spirit of keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. Fergie is a loose cannon and she is in constant need of money and has already demonstrated over and over again her propensity for making money by playing on her real and imagined royal connections. Abandoned by Andrew she might be tempted to do some real damage.
Andrew is alleged to have said he has "three daughters" - referring to his so called beloved as a child. He also has said that the only reason he still lets her live at the Lodge is because of his daughters. Hardly sounds like a man wildly in love with his ex wife.
Given how often she has exploited her family to make money - I suspect the rumors of a remarriage are put out there by Fergie.
Cate!!!! :thumbsup:
I don't see why they "Need therapy"? Sarah is silly and selfish, and always will be. Andrew isn't bright and he's selfish but he is I think sensible enough to feel that Sarah needs a bit of "looking after" and that he's able to do that. He's fond enough of her to be willing to be her protector.. and problaby it is reasoned that if he keeps an eye on her, it may stop her from going too far wild, though it does not always work.....
^ Andrew does some pretty stupid things himself. Maybe he needs someone to watch over him to stop his foolish moves.
I think they will remarry one day and Liz being open to The Duchess again only reinforces my beliefe ... nothing Liz does is a coincidence ...
Do you mean the QUeen?
Prince Andrew to Remarry Sarah Ferguson After Kate Middleton Convinced Queen to Forgive Duchess: Tabloid Report (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1096639-prince-andrew-to-remarry-sarah-ferguson-after-kate-middleton-convinced-queen-to-forgive-duchess-report/)
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Sarah Ferguson is going to get remarried to Prince Andrew years after the pair divorced, according to a tabloid report.
Andrew, 54, the brother of Prince Charles, and Sarah, 55, the mother of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, were divorced in 1996 after being married for a decade. But the new report says that Fergie and Andrew have actually been living together for the past couple years, and have finally secured Queen Elizabeth's blessing to get remarried.
Under British law, the Queen must give permission for any of her children to marry.
Globe magazine, a supermarket tabloid that is hit-or-miss with its reporting, claims in its upcoming December 1st issue that the Queen gave her blessing after Sarah received support from Kate Middleton. The Queen "has forgiven her for all the past mistakes with men and money," the tabloid claims.
"In welcoming Sarah back into the fold, the Queen is defying her husband Prince Philip who can't stand Fergie," Globe magazine also said. "Now all the talk is about when will Fergie and Andy announce they're remarrying."
The tabloid report could have some shred of truth to it as Andrew said earlier this year that he has remained friends with Sarah. Last year, Sarah said she would not rule out remarrying Prince Andrew
"He'll always be my handsome prince. It's really lovely that we are still a family and the story has a happy ending all the time," she told the Daily Telegraph when asked if she would remarry. She also didn't deny rumors that they would get back together at the time. And a few months ago, an insider told MailOnline: "Mark my words, they will remarry. It is only a matter of time."
:hehe: As if Kate could convince the Queen of anything. :lol:
^^^Forget HM! :lol: IMO it's the DoE and PoW that would have the real objections.
'Globe magazine, a supermarket tabloid that is hit-or-miss with its reporting..' Ain't that the truth! :hehe:
Quote from: TLLK on November 22, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
^^^Forget HM! :lol: IMO it's the DoE and PoW that would have the real objections.
Well I can understand The DOE however Charles is hardly in a position to throw stones his wife is not exactly on the top of the morality ladder and had quite the past herself.
^Very true but if I were Charles I would be more worried about Fergie being a financial sieve than any real threat to the royal reputation. She just doesn't know how to live within her means and he will not fund her lifestyle. After HM, there won't be any free rides for that bunch.
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
Quote from: TLLK on November 23, 2014, 03:05:51 AM
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
He probably thought she was a very bad influence on Diana!
Quote from: TLLK on November 23, 2014, 03:05:51 AM
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
:lol: He should have been concerning himself with his and Camilla's behavior.
Quote from: TLLK on November 22, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
^^^Forget HM! :lol: IMO it's the DoE and PoW that would have the real objections.
Noboby would wish for it. Terr's no harm in Sarah but she's silly and vulgar and greedy. And she has long lost her popularity or any ability to be a princess. The public would range from indifferent to hostile on the idea. No way will it happen. Andy remains fond of her but he has no wish to marry the woman who made him look such a fool
Andrew needs no help from anyone to look like a fool.
You have no idea how Andrew really feels about Sarah and the public might not like it but they would accept it just like they do everything else. The fact that Sarah is still part of his life speaks for itself and it doesn't say he dislikes her.
Where did I say he disliked her ? he is clearly still fond of her but he would not wish to remarry her.... The queen was reluctant to allow a divorce in the 90s but Andrew wanted it, because his mind was made up that he did not wish to remain married to someone like her..... Since then of course Fergie has clung to his coat tails, and tried to "get back in" with the RF...
Where did I say that you said he dislikes her?
Andrew wanted the divorce to stop PP from the emotional harm that he was putting Sarah and his daughters through. He did that out of LOVE.
Quote from: amabel on November 23, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
Quote from: TLLK on November 22, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
^^^Forget HM! :lol: IMO it's the DoE and PoW that would have the real objections.
Noboby would wish for it. Terr's no harm in Sarah but she's silly and vulgar and greedy. And she has long lost her popularity or any ability to be a princess. The public would range from indifferent to hostile on the idea. No way will it happen. Andy remains fond of her but he has no wish to marry the woman who made him look such a fool
IMO Sarah is truly her own worst enemy. :(
I dotnt believe that there's the slightest chance of its happening. Andrew has remained very loyal to Sarah, and I think she's always going to be important to him as a person, but he has long since moved on and I think he enjoys being free to live as he wishes, with regard to women.
Quote from: TLLK on November 23, 2014, 03:05:51 AM
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
I believe he liked her at first, she seemed jolly and friendly and into all the country stuff, but it wasn't heard to see that she was never suitable to be a princess. And witin a couple of years, she was doing stupid things, taking too many freebies, not doing enough duty.... The queen relaly should never have allowed her to marry Andy.
^^^That's what I understood as well amabel. She was the daughter of his polo manager and she is IMO an outgoing and friendly person. However I believe that once the family began to know her better they saw she could be a bit reckless and impulsive.
Quote from: TLLK on November 29, 2014, 05:43:17 PM
^^^That's what I understood as well amabel. She was the daughter of his polo manager and she is IMO an outgoing and friendly person. However I believe that once the family began to know her better they saw she could be a bit reckless and impulsive.
Ronald F wasn't exactly a social equal, and his fooling around at a massage parlor was something that rather caused embarrassment for Fergie and the RF
IM not sure but I think Sarah's' mother' s family were within the royal circle. I think that P Philip dated Sarah's' Mother?
However I think that while she's likable they should have seen that Sarah wasn't suitable.. she just is a silly vulgar woman who has no brains and no filter...and I suspect tat if Andy had not been the queen's favourite she might have been sharper..
Quote from: amabel on November 29, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: TLLK on November 23, 2014, 03:05:51 AM
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
I believe he liked her at first, she seemed jolly and friendly and into all the country stuff, but it wasn't heard to see that she was never suitable to be a princess. And witin a couple of years, she was doing stupid things, taking too many freebies, not doing enough duty.... The queen relaly should never have allowed her to marry Andy.
Well lets be fair about Sarah and doing her duty she hardly had time to be with her husband doing appearances most that she did was solo. Yes she was jolly and friendly and into all the Country stuff and perhaps she wasn't ever suitable enough to be a Princess but the same could also be said about Camilla and it still applies Fergie with Freebies but Camilla drinking and sampling fine wines and ales also not good and Camilla IMO in the beginning and even now doesn't do half the duty her predecessor did Yet HM did consent to both marriages. As I said previously some may think Sarah is vulgar and PP has objections but Charles is hardly in a position to object since his wife is also IMO vulgar especially the way she came by her marriage.
JMO, but I think the Queen is very much a pragmatist. Like everyone else, she likes some people she has things in common with and is neutral about others she doesn't. It's always been said that Fergie (who was very natural and cracked jokes and liked country life) was a great favourite. I think the Queen hoped that the more dignified princess role would come in time and was saddened when it didn't and when the marriage ended.
What I mean about the Queen being a pragmatist is that I don't believe she's ever interfered in her children's choices of spouse, (or her grandchildren's for that matter.)
It's been said that she expressed no opinion to Charles about Diana's suitability as a wife. Perhaps that was a case where she should have, but she didn't. The only time she expressed her disapproval was in not receiving Camilla for years because of her strong views about adultery. Otherwise, she believes, quite reasonably I think, that her children and grandchildren are adults, and should be treated as such by her.
Quote from: Trudie on November 29, 2014, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: amabel on November 29, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: TLLK on November 23, 2014, 03:05:51 AM
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
I believe he liked her at first, she seemed jolly and friendly and into all the country stuff, but it wasn't heard to see that she was never suitable to be a princess. And witin a couple of years, she was doing stupid things, taking too many freebies, not doing enough duty.... The queen relaly should never have allowed her to marry Andy.
Well lets be fair about Sarah and doing her duty she hardly had time to be with her husband doing appearances most that she did was solo. Yes she was jolly and friendly and into all the Country stuff and perhaps she wasn't ever suitable enough to be a Princess but the same could also be said about Camilla and it still applies Fergie with Freebies but Camilla drinking and sampling fine wines and ales also not good and Camilla IMO in the beginning and even now doesn't do half the duty her predecessor did Yet HM did consent to both marriages. As I said previously some may think Sarah is vulgar and PP has objections but Charles is hardly in a position to object since his wife is also IMO vulgar especially the way she came by her marriage.
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Quote from: Curryong on November 29, 2014, 11:09:47 PM
JMO, but I think the Queen is very much a pragmatist. Like everyone else, she likes some people she has things in common with and is neutral about others she doesn't. It's always been said that Fergie (who was very natural and cracked jokes and liked country life) was a great favourite. I think the Queen hoped that the more dignified princess role would come in time and was saddened when it didn't and when the marriage ended.
What I mean about the Queen being a pragmatist is that I don't believe she's ever interfered in her children's choices of spouse, (or her grandchildren's for that matter.)
It's been said that she expressed no opinion to Charles about Diana's suitability as a wife. Perhaps that was a case where she should have, but she didn't. The only time she expressed her disapproval was in not receiving Camilla for years because of her strong views about adultery. Otherwise, she believes, quite reasonably I think, that her children and grandchildren are adults, and should be treated as such by her.
Her and the DoE's opinions regarding their past and current sons/daughters-in-law have been the subject of much discussion over the years. I tend to believe that she would have voiced her opinion only if asked though I do think he'd be more likely to just state it.
I believe that the queen like most people liked Diana at first and thought she was suitable, which in many ways she was. The RF didn't look beyond the fact that Di was the right age and class, undoubtedly pretty and charming and looked good to the cameras and the press and the public seemed to like her. They didn't know her well enough to realise that she was a lot more fragile than she appeared, that she knew very little of the RF, really and that she was not into the country life that they loved. But I think that the Queen SHOULD have beenn more pro active in finding out about her children's spouses, at least the 2 elder sons since their wives would be public figures. I think with Fergie, again she was of the right class even if poor and with a slightly dubious father - and her mother was a divorce and bolter, and she was fun, also popular with the press and looked attractive in a more "outdoorsy" way... And I think that the queen liked her, in private, found her lively and fun and interested in riding, etc.. so she found her congenial and didn't seem to be bothered by her obvious vulgarity - Perhaps if Andy had not been her favourite, she might have been a bit more dubious as to whether Fergie would really be able ot behave sutiably in public... or whetehr she had staying power...
The only thing that was unsuitable was Charles petty jealousy over his wife's popularity from the first time they were out together when she was only 20.
I dont believe he was pettily jealous. it seems to me that he was very proud of her at first, albeit it did hurt him a bit when he was overlooked for his wife. As time passed yes, he did become jealous when his serious speeches were ignored because she had a new hairstyle.
[mod]Please remember Sarah & Andrew are the topic. Not Diana. :xmas9: :flower:[/mod]
Andrew may be a bit of a boor with much of his behavior but, as far as Sarah is concerned he had and continued to show class by no allowing anyone to trash her. Charles had and continued to this day to allow friends and family to trash Diana. I believe Andrew still loves Sarah and Sarah does love Andrew. The only problem with Sarah was and continues to be is her idea of how as a royal and semi royal her lifestyle should be. As a bride Sarah had this idea that she should dress and emulate Diana who's husband was afforded money from the Duchy of Cornwall to live a lifestyle that Sarah's husband couldn't afford as a naval officer. Sarah was given a generous allowance by the Queen and lived at BP while Sunninghill was being built a gift from the Queen yet to Sarah it seemed that Andrew and herself should live a lifestyle befitting the son of a Sovereign and it led to disastrous results in her quest to earn enough. I believe Sarah has now grown up to the point where she is comfortable with the way she and Andrew now live and I do think maybe one day they will remarry.
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@Trudie I also think their companionship and affection will lead them to remarry in the future.
No they wornt. They have had other lovers for years and neither of them is going to tie themselves into a remarriage. esp when it would be extremely unpopular
Despite other lovers Fergie has always lived in Andrew's royal residences, hasn't she?
I see them remarrying not for love but that Fergie will manipulate Andrew into marriage in order to secure a home to live in in her old age. Especially when Charles becomes King and tries anything to throw her out....
Im sure she would like to remarry him for that reason, but I dotn see it happening. He would have to get Charles' permission, and I doubt if that would be forthcoming.
Quote from: amabel on December 01, 2014, 05:11:53 PM
No they wornt. They have had other lovers for years and neither of them is going to tie themselves into a remarriage. esp when it would be extremely unpopular
I think they might and so what if they had other lovers. I really don't think they care if their relationship now or in the future would stop them even if it would be extremely unpopular especially since Andrew keeps moving down the line.
Further Andrew is over 25 and doesn't need Charles permission when he becomes King, All he has to do is petition Parliament of his intent. If PP should pass in the next few years before HM I think HM would give permission. Charles marriage to Camilla was extremely unpopular yet he married her anyway. If Charles withheld permission that would show him to be the spiteful hypocrite he really is.
^ :goodpost: :thumbsup: :nod:
As the years go by I'm less convinced that they will remarry but I can see them still living at the same residence until the end.
Oh of course, Sarah will stick with him, because he's good to her...
Quote from: TLLK on December 02, 2014, 04:33:12 AM
As the years go by I'm less convinced that they will remarry but I can see them still living at the same residence until the end.
well maybe after this latest shenanigans, Andy will remarry to look more respectable and Fergie would jump at the chance!
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Either they really are going to marry again—or Fergie is the world's most loyal ex. Who else would see a former spouse accused of underage sex and call him 'the greatest man there is'?
I agree with Trude and LIMABENAY.
I will try to bring it back to the center.
Remarry?
Maybe when PP dies for sure, first and maybe even QEII.
That will be , could be in 10-15 years. That is a long time waiting for EII to die.
Both have signif theirs. PAndrew seems to like being free and have several girlfriends, None have never been with him in public which is weird.
That would have been respectable.
Maybe they will remarry for comfortable , known companionship after 60. Good for their girls and their families.
Who really knows except for them and they are not telling?
Sarah was suitable. Who is not suitable? He chose her so therefore she was suitable he made herself unsuitable by the old saying, too many yes people. Not listening to TPTB and they did not see to powerful. It all snowballed out of control.
Dress fly ups. The comment, " I'll see you later."
Freebies. Andrew away at sea , whatever military branch.
The picture of Sarah and Andrew together from their childhood.
LDFS as suitable. What made her unsuitable was that she refused, could not accept being 3 in her , well, the farce of a marriage and where she messed up is that she fought PC over CPB at every turn, LOL!!! There, hopes that makes sense LOL, for some of you all here.
PAndrew is a lot of scandal.
YES, this girl is basically saying her word against his word
HOWEVER, PAndrew has been left to do as he pleases with no TPTB , QEI even, putting the brakes on him.
See snokitty's other thread. Did anyone ever say no to him. Stop him. PAndrew has been with too many questionable people, not legit, etc. HE has had them at Sandringham (Epstein), taken money or Sarah's debts, the sale of that house, etc.
He has used poor judgment over and over again.
I don't know if they will ever remarry, but I believe PA will always look after her. Sarah knows whose closets all the skeletons are in. Plus she is the mother of Andrews daughters and IMO, that counts to him.
I only wish that Sarah had NOT become visual during this time for Andrew. With her own past somewhat shoddy, she is not the one to champion his cause. It would be better had she said nothing... I also found what she said to be a little melodramatic... I genuinely hope that PA, somehow, comes out of this scandal OK..