Prince Harry's drunken 3am brawl ~ Mail on Sunday (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=444434&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5)
QuoteIt is hardly behaviour becoming of a Prince. Emerging from his favourite nightclub after downing several "Crack Baby' vodka shots, Prince Harry stumbles spectacularly into the gutter. Only seconds earlier he had lashed out at a photographer, chasing him through West London's late-night traffic and trying to shove him in the back.
Harry :gaah:
Pictures..
1 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/hand_230x450.jpg)
2 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/blue_384x450.jpg)
3 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/camera_386x450.jpg)
4 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/car_274x450.jpg)
5 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/brown_320x450.jpg)
6 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/smash_278x450.jpg)
7 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/falling_316x450.jpg)
8 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/girl_180x450.jpg)
9 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/scarf_185x450.jpg)
10 (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/harry/head_333x450.jpg)
Mark Dyer sounds like an idiot.
:ugh: there's more to this story. Harry doesn't go around attacking photographers for no reason. As long as this make harry look like a bad guy then so be it... it's BS
Looking at the pics Harry is his own worst enemy...not only that....where the hell are his guards? I mean how did they "loose" him? They should corral Harry into the waiting vehicle, not allow him to run after a stupid fat arsed pap who probably said something nasty to Harry.
That said Harry needs to own up and be responsible for his own actions. The pics make Harry look like a complete prat IMO..and I don't think Harry is a complete prat at all. I'm just terribly disappointed in him at the moment.
Clarence House needs to get rid of this Mark Dyer for a start..everytime there's something happening with alcohol and Harry, he's there...along with this stupid Pinkham woman :gaah:
OMG!!! This does nothing good for those who critcize him for going out too much. That sucks. :no: I wonder if the photographer provoked him or if he just remembered the guy from the Natalie Pinkham thing the article mentioned.
Quote from: wombat on March 24, 2007, 11:01:18 PM
Looking at the pics Harry is his own worst enemy...not only that....where the hell are his guards? I mean how did they "loose" him? They should corral Harry into the waiting vehicle, not allow him to run after a stupid fat arsed pap who probably said something nasty to Harry.
That said Harry needs to own up and be responsible for his own actions. The pics make Harry look like a complete prat IMO..and I don't think Harry is a complete prat at all. I'm just terribly disappointed in him at the moment.
Clarence House needs to get rid of this Mark Dyer for a start..everytime there's something happening with alcohol and Harry, he's there...along with this stupid Pinkham woman :gaah:
I think Harry wants to be his own man without the guards so they don't have a leash on him. That's good, they shouldn't, but then he goes out and does stuff like this!!! It makes me think: Come on, Harry, don't prove them all right!!!! The guards shouldn't have to treat him like toddler that might wander off!!
I agree, the pictures do make him look like a big prat. Running after some pap who does even deserve the energy wasted on him and then to drunkily trip over himself! Even if he wasn't drunk--when you ever trip over yourself?? Not good, not a good situation at all!
I understand whole think Natalie may be a friend, something like this always seems to happen around her!! What is with that?!
QuoteMiss Pinkham was among those who had been with him that night, and was heard to say: "Harry, give us a kiss."
Sod off stupid plastic woman :rant:
:thumbsup: I couldn't have said it better myself wombat!
Harry: :notamused: :wack:
Jesus.....why is this old dyer and that natalie always @ where there's some nasty media story/pic? I know MD is married 2 his favorite nanny....but cm'on.......Harry can be his worse enemy sometimes.....get rid of these plp and hang out with your age-group....or even better your own army buddies....at lease no pics or bad stories ever comes out then :notamused:
The story says that the photographer Harry chased was the same one that caught Harry coing out of Pinkhams flat last year...and that Harry was not actually at Boujis with Pinkham on Friday night.
:doh:
it sounds like some kind of a set-up....he needs 2 watch his back and stop being so clueless about his company and this particular woman....who seems 2 only wants fame thru her association with him :thumbsdown:
I'm more concerned with this Mark Dyer dude..he seems like a complete prat :thumbsdown:
yeah....living thru harry reminiscing about his crappy bygone youth days....grow up and sod-off I say :notamused:
I like Harry but I agree with you wombat and Hippie. Harry needs to grow up!
I think the tabs are just doing another number on Harry.
IMO it's understandable why Harry wanted a piece of that paparrazzi guy, he's the guy that took the pics of Harry the night that Natalie Pinkham supposedly told Harry "give us a kiss" on the stairwell outside her apartment last year.
In looking at the photos, Harry doesn't look drunk to me. :shrug: Maybe he just slipped on a slick spot when he was getting in the car. A person doesn't have to be drunk to accidentally slip or fall. That's just what the tabs wanted to see, so it was their golden moment to prove whatever negative stuff they like to say about Harry. I see they made sure to put Mark Dyer's comment that neither he nor Harry was drunk at the very end of the article, where it wouldn't get much notice.
I agree that Harry needs to stay away from Natalie Pinkham, but she said she wasn't with Harry and Mark Dyer said the same thing. It's probably a true coincidence that she was at Boujis at the same time that Harry was there, but of course the tabs have to blow the entire thing out of proportion. <_<
It's not understandable...Harry needs to show restraint ...I'm one of the biggest Harry defenders around here and I can't defend this :notamused:
Doesn't mean I don't adore Harry :hug:
HARRY IN DRUNKEN LUNGE AT SNAPPER ~ Sunday Mirror (http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_method=full%26objectid=18805518%26siteid=62484-name_page.html)
BOOZE-UP HARRY IN CLASH WITH A SNAPPER ~ People.co.uk (http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=booze%2Dup-harry-in-clash-with-a-snapper--%26method=full%26objectid=18805610%26siteid=93463-name_page.html)
why don't they multiply Will's story....they sure are fast on harry's stumble headlines.....which I don't think was due 2 being drunk....I just wish these boys get 101 lesson on public decorum and dignity from their grandmother.....obviously their father is from the old school....BOYS WILL BE BOYS Crap :notamused:
From The Mail on Sunday:
No Harry 'scuffle' - Clarence House (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=444461&in_page_id=1770)
oh harry :hug: what are you doing? :(
Mail on Sunday...
Boujis - the lure he can't resistQuoteEVERY night, a scrum of photographers hovers by the red carpet as young, wealthy revellers form a long queue – desperate to be one of the chosen 110, lucky enough to be allowed into Boujis, the private members' club favoured by Princes William and Harry.Anyone who has been to the subterranean South Kensington 'boite' when one of the Princes is expected will know the frisson of excitement that ripples through the venue.The staff, who have been trained to cater for the Princes' every whim, step up a gear and the discreet VIP room to the left of the main bar at the back of the club is immediately cleared. Litre bottles of Belvedere and Grey Goose, Prince Harry's favourite vodkas which normally cost £180, are put on ice.
To Lila...
Harry seems to have been drunk, despite the denials. <_<
He's got some problems. (http://www.forumup.com/images/smiles/oregonian_martini.gif) + :wacko: = :fool:
He's also not always thinking things through. :notamused:
Everyone makes mistakes. :shrug:
I agree M....but sometimes Harry seems to be his own worst enemy..he makes me want to cry :cry:
He's got some growing up to do. :notamused:
Unfortunately, he hasn't had the best of childhoods. <_<
He's also spoiled rotten. :pardon:
I feel sorry for him. I wish I could have raised him. I wouldn't have screwed him up. :notamused:
Quote from: M on March 25, 2007, 08:55:55 AM
I wish I could have raised him. I wouldn't have screwed him up. :notamused:
:teehee: :laugh: :happytears: :lmao: :P
News of the World: Effing Drunk (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml#)
Royals deny that Prince Harry was involved in scuffle (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/24/europe/EU-GEN-Britain-Prince-Harry.php)
If the photographers didn't get in their faces all the time maybe harry wouldn't have a problem, one can only take so much crap from another person before they do something about it.
STRESSED HARRY BLOWS HIS TOP ~ Sunday Express (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/2689)
Quote from: Nighthawk on March 25, 2007, 09:11:41 AM
If the photographers didn't get in their faces all the time maybe harry wouldn't have a problem, one can only take so much crap from another person before they do something about it.
If people didn't make excuses for Harry all the time, maybe he'd grow up. :notamused:
I still think it's incredibly odd that a 40+ year-old man hangs out and goes to nightclubs with a 22 year-old <_<
He's not a bodyguard? :blink:
No...apparently he is Harry's mentor :shrug:
Harry Assaulted Me ~ Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1257425,00.html)
Toronto Star...
Harry not in scuffle, Prince Charles saysQuoteClarence House, Prince Charles's London office, denies Prince Harry was involved in a scuffle with a photographer as he left a nightclub. Harry was alleged to have lashed out at a photographer as he left a popular celebrity haunt in central London early yesterday. Several Sunday newspapers ran photos of Harry apparently stumbling to the ground and being helped to his feet. In one picture, he is seen standing behind photographer Nirach Tanner, who claims the prince tried to assault him.
Sunday Sun...
Prince in assault claimsQuoteHarry, an officer with the Blues and Royals, was pictured in London-based newspapers apparently stumbling to the ground.In another shot he is seen standing behind photographer Nirach Tanner.Mr Tanner claimed: "He screamed at me to f*** off, then grabbed me and tried to shove me over. He had his hands around my collar and back. It was an assault.""
To lila..
I'll be Harry's new mentor. :)
Step #1: No more than 2 drinks when you go out! :windsor:
QuoteClarence House has denied reports that Prince Harry was involved in a fracas with a photographer as he left a London nightclub on Saturday morning.
Harry club fracas claims denied ~ BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6492539.stm)
I wasn't making an excuse for Harry, he's got CH for that. :notamused:
Aww damn...he does look like an absolute prat in those pics, but why are they so MEEEAN!?
the papparazi probably were egging harry on. some of these people say very mean things and when youre intoxicated youre not thinking straight to begin with.
i was disappointed to turn on the tv this morning and find the news calling harry a "disappointment to the royal family" again. minus this incident, hes been more scandal- free lately than william has been. not to mention, hes mildly stepping up to his duties and hes going to iraq.
throw the kid a freakin bone people. :gaah:
on another note: again, why arent people making william, harry, kate and chelsy go out the back doors to clubs? this would help eliminate this situation. those advisors cannot make decisions for the young princes, but they really should pressure them to change something. this is obviously an issue with harry. he could have handled himself better, but the press isnt about to state harrys reasons and whether or not the lunge was encouraged or not.
Harry did go out the back door, at least according to the first article. The paps were there as well. :shrug:
No assault? Having a laugh? I take it they haven't seen the pics from the Daily Mail. :notamused:
i blame his guards. and that natalie has got to go!
Harry needs to stop drinking so much! :gaah:
It's a sign of emotional instability. :notamused:
He probably needs counseling. :mellow:
He may need to quit drinking altogether, as he is showing signs of alcoholism (as are many Britons, these days). :cry:
I'd also recommend that he get spiritual direction. :nod:
It's too bad he's not Catholic. <_<
Confession and solid spiritual direction would do him a world of good! :thumbsup:
I agree.
I think that photographer must have yelled something at him to provoke him, though -- the paps do that a lot these days. I'd probably have the same reaction as Harry if I'd had a lifetime of this.
Where the hell is PC right now? To end up with both sons having drinking problems tells me he's not been as good a father as the princes would like to wish ... :thumbsdown:
We don't know they have drinking problems. From the looks of it they just like to go out drinking when they can. Which happens to be pretty frequently :unsure:
:rolleyes:
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Cassidy! :P
Given the reports of drunkeness at private parties as well, I don't think they save their drinking for nights at the club only ... :shrug:
bad day for both brothers. i dont get why they havent learned their lesson yet after everything.
drinking is not cool. period. it is fun, i have to admit. it is a lot of fun for those looking at drunk people who are making a complete fool of theirselves.
harry may think there's a chance he might die in iraq, but there's a high chance he might not and then he has to come back and face whatever he is going through now. and if (god willing not!) something does happen there, this is something ppl will always remember about him.
william has no excuse. he needs to be a man and get rid of his hanger on instead of sending slight hints to her each time he is tipsy/drunk.
these boys seem to be losing their dignity. they are not 17 years old anymore ( even if they were, that still wouldnt have been an excuse). they seriously need to grow up.
Quote from: M on March 25, 2007, 09:26:02 AM
If people didn't make excuses for Harry all the time, maybe he'd grow up. :notamused:
I agree...I think Harry's felt some of the consequences felt by his actions, but not entirely. I think it's possible that some people around him soften the blow. That's what happens with children of the wealthy and influential. There's so many people who want to get at them I don't think any of it goes very far. I think that's sad.
Quote from: wombat on March 25, 2007, 09:29:42 AM
I still think it's incredibly odd that a 40+ year-old man hangs out and goes to nightclubs with a 22 year-old <_<
I agree. I've always noticed that both William and Harry have friends who are much older than them. That's fine, I'm glad they are mature enough to have relationships with people older than them, ablle to carry on decent conversations and aren't always around the same immature idiots that are their age---I'm generalizing. I wonder if they hang around William and Harry because they want to be around
THE PRINCES and are willingly to go about doing whatever William and Harry do, whether or not it jives with their own interests or not.
I mean what the hell is a 40 year old man doing in Bougis with a 22 year old guy and a 29 year old woman?? Which leads me to my next point isn't Natalie a little old be be hanging out with Harry? I would understand it more if they were childhood friends--but she's pushing 30. I don't think 30's old--it just seems a bit odd for her to be going out with Harry. Tell me if I'm wrong...
Pri I agree with a lot of what you've said. :thumbsup:
Supposedly Natalie Pinkham is about 6 years older than Harry, and since a 22 year old man is no where near the normal maturity level of a 28 or 29 year old woman, ??? why IS she hanging around Harry anyway? I really believe that this time her attendence at Boujis at the same time that Harry was there is a coincidence; why not? I'm sure she goes to Boujis with her friends even when Harry isn't there.
But that doesn't change the fact that bad press seems to follow Harry wherever Natalie goes. ;)
As for Mark Dyer, I'd read that he's around 10 years older than Harry and Wills, and he's married to someone close to them. I've seen his name connected to both princes for sometime, but especially Harry. I guess he could be labeled as his mentor; but IMO he's more in the nature of a minder than a mentor, and if so he wasn't doing his job very well. :thumbsdown:
I don't consider it to be excusing Harry to say I understand why he chased that pap. That's the guy that snapped the photo of Harry in the stairwell with Natalie in the stairwell last year, that man caused him some grief with Chelsy I'm sure!
Of course that doesn't make it right for Harry to try to put his hands on him, but it does make it understandable. Especially if Harry was tipsy. And that's my point. I don't think Harry was falling down drunk. Tipsy yes, but not p!ssing drunk. I think he genuinely slipped and fell because he stepped on a slick spot or something. Things like that can happen to anyone, but sensationalism and exaggerations are the stock in trade of the tabs, so this footfall of Harry's was manna from heaven for them.
I agree that both Wills and Harry need to be more circumspect and mature in their behaviour, but I don't feel that they're really as bad as the tabs make them seem. Again I think it's sensationalism to sell papers. I think some of their activities are truly taken out of context, and I think this situation with Harry has been taken out of context. I think Harry has matured a lot in the last couple of years, and the tabs are just trying to spin more of their 'Wild Prince' headlines because that's the label they've chosen to give him.
I think that Harry and Wills both need to drink less and being more discreet in their actions, but I really believe that their situations have been exaggerated.
I don't believe they're innocent little lambs who never do anything wrong on their own and they're being led astray by their friends, and neither do I believe that they're these dilettante rich boys who feel that they're entitled to act like alcohol crazed morons wherever they go and be excused and praised for it.
I think the truth is truly somewhere in the middle for both of them, and we have to see it for ourselves because the tabs will never support that POV.
More on this:
- Wills, Harry drunk as lords (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21443829-663,00.html)
- William and Harry's wild night out (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21445099-5006301,00.html)
- STRESSED HARRY BLOWS HIS TOP (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/2689)
- RUCK 'N' ROYAL (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1445)
- Prince Harry Tries To 'Assault' Photographer (http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=29718)~ Vote on the incident!
- Prince Harry's boozy brawl with a shutterbug (http://www.dailyindia.com/show/128265.php/Prince-Harrys-boozy-brawl-with-a-shutterbug)
Where do they come up with these titles. :gaah:
Quote from: MapleLeaf on March 25, 2007, 06:51:47 PM
I don't consider it to be excusing Harry to say I understand why he chased that pap. That's the guy that snapped the photo of Harry in the stairwell with Natalie in the stairwell last year, that man caused him some grief with Chelsy I'm sure!
I do understand where you are coming from ML. However, it was Harry's own fault for partying until 5am that day, wasn't it? I'm not saying the boy can't go out and have a good time, but his drinking really seems to be getting out of hand.
Did you see how red his face was?! :faint: He was most certainly drunk, regardless of what palace spin doctors say!
Even if paps were screaming obscene comments about harry, his girlfriend, his mother, his grandmother, whatever, he's a royal and he should have kept eyes forward and just gotten into the car. The paps are there specifically to provoke this type of behavior and by Harry lashing out at them, the paps win.
SOMEONE at Clarence House needs to take the reigns here and knock some sense into both Harry and William! These drunken escapades can not continue. It is utterly disgraceful.
Harry and William are not "normal" 20-somethings and as much as they think they are trying to act like "normal" people, going out every weekend and making a fool of yourself sure as hell isn't the way to do it. If they want to be seen as "normal" they should stop accepting free drinks, free vacations, etc, and become productive members of society, like all the other college graduates that I know.
:soap:
Exactly :thumbsup:
Quote from: dizzylizzy on March 25, 2007, 04:41:50 PM
Where the hell is PC right now? To end up with both sons having drinking problems tells me he's not been as good a father as the princes would like to wish ... :thumbsdown:
All I got from The Times' Court Circular was this:
Quote
March 23: The Prince of Wales, President, Business in the Community, this morning visited Woking and was received by Her Majesty's Lord-Lieutenant of Surrey (Mrs Timothy Goad).
His Royal Highness, Patron, the Almshouse Association, this afternoon visited Whiteley Village, Surrey, to mark the Centenary of the formation of the Whiteley Homes Trust.
The Woking trip was to support the environmental exhibition. This week he is set to embark on a food and drink tour of Norfolk.
I like his outfit he looks cute, no comment about his behavior. He should wear more brown, it suits him. Also, is it still chill in the UK- he had on a scarf?
:unsure: i was wondering why does everything always happen at 3 am? :hmm:
Quote from: MapleLeaf on March 25, 2007, 03:02:23 AM
I think the tabs are just doing another number on Harry.
IMO it's understandable why Harry wanted a piece of that paparrazzi guy, he's the guy that took the pics of Harry the night that Natalie Pinkham supposedly told Harry "give us a kiss" on the stairwell outside her apartment last year.
In looking at the photos, Harry doesn't look drunk to me. :shrug: Maybe he just slipped on a slick spot when he was getting in the car. A person doesn't have to be drunk to accidentally slip or fall. That's just what the tabs wanted to see, so it was their golden moment to prove whatever negative stuff they like to say about Harry. I see they made sure to put Mark Dyer's comment that neither he nor Harry was drunk at the very end of the article, where it wouldn't get much notice.
I agree that Harry needs to stay away from Natalie Pinkham, but she said she wasn't with Harry and Mark Dyer said the same thing. It's probably a true coincidence that she was at Boujis at the same time that Harry was there, but of course the tabs have to blow the entire thing out of proportion. <_<
Here here. I don't think hi's drunk. Look at the picture number 5. This happened to me too, on one beautiful sunny day.
Harry looks sexy when he's angry. haha. Pink undergarments and socks. Whoa!
Quote from: agentblueberry on March 25, 2007, 09:44:52 PM
:unsure: i was wondering why does everything always happen at 3 am? :hmm:
:lmao: Maybe all the magically delicious fun and exciting stuff happens after 3 am?!!
Perhaps Wills and Harry have a "Prince Jekyll and Chavster Clyde" syndrome going on? Maybe the magical hour of 3 am both Wills and Harry change from princes of the realm into East End chavs!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
:lmao: that could be it! :teehee:
Quote from: Tiara on March 25, 2007, 10:05:07 PM
Here here. I don’t think hi’s drunk. Look at the picture number 5. This happened to me too, on one beautiful sunny day.
Oh please!! His face is beat red, his eyes are droopy and glazed.... if you don't think he's drunk, you obviously haven't been around drunk people very much!!! And as for falling down, there was nothing there for him to trip over! It was flat pavement, no curb.
Quote from: Jenee on March 25, 2007, 07:38:22 PMHarry and William are not "normal" 20-somethings and as much as they think they are trying to act like "normal" people, going out every weekend and making a fool of yourself sure as hell isn't the way to do it. If they want to be seen as "normal" they should stop accepting free drinks, free vacations, etc, and become productive members of society, like all the other college graduates that I know.
Thank-you!
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Quote from: Jenee on March 25, 2007, 11:23:32 PM
Oh please!! His face is beat red, his eyes are droopy and glazed.... if you don't think he's drunk, you obviously haven't been around drunk people very much!!! And as for falling down, there was nothing there for him to trip over! It was flat pavement, no curb.
I don't think he stumbled, IMO those pics look like he really just slipped. That's all I'm saying. It's very obvious that he's been drinking, but there's a difference between falling down drunk and tipsy. I think Harry was tipsy but not stumbling over drunk. :pardon:
I think it's possible that he ufortunately slipped, and it was definitely the wrong thing to happen at the wrong time. :shrug: Wrong time for Harry, right time for the tabs and the paps.
P*r*z Hilton has something on Harry's night out.
yeah...they call him the 'Heir 2 the British throne' :lmao:
Hey, I think Harry is being productive - he's going to Iraq to fight for the war! Isn't that enough to ask of him? So, he lets loose in the club once in a while....he's just acting like many urban kids his age.
There's no way I can defend Harry on his drunken behavior although I must say I laughed for 10 minutes after seeing these pictures.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=444434&in_page_id=1770
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/galleries/index.html?in_gallery_id=10173&in_page_id=1055
I really don't think he and Chelsy are going to make it (not that the RF are going to approve of her anyway). He seems to prefer Ms. Pinkham.
I heard the Queen reads the tabloids. I bet she will not be amused by all of this.
Quote from: MapleLeaf on March 26, 2007, 12:23:27 AM
I don't think he stumbled, IMO those pics look like he really just slipped. That's all I'm saying. It's very obvious that he's been drinking, but there's a difference between falling down drunk and tipsy. I think Harry was tipsy but not stumbling over drunk. :pardon:
Yeah, I agree... the thing is, when you get past that drink limit that everyone has, it makes it a lot easier to trip over yourself! :happytears: He doesn't have to be "falling down drunk" (and he wasn't, or else he wouldn't have been able to chase after that pap!) but he was still very very drunk! All I'm saying is, a sober person probably wouldn't have slipped or tripped the way Harry did.
Quote from: aroyalfan on March 26, 2007, 01:08:11 AM
Hey, I think Harry is being productive - he's going to Iraq to fight for the war! Isn't that enough to ask of him? So, he lets loose in the club once in a while....he's just acting like many urban kids his age.
For the record, I don't think it is appropriate for ANY person to get that drunk and chase strangers.
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Quote from: Countessa on March 26, 2007, 01:24:47 AM
I heard the Queen reads the tabloids. I bet she will not be amused by all of this.
really?
I don't think Harry prefers Natalie. Natalie has a boyfriend. Harry has a girlfriend. It's very likely they are just buds. They've known each other a really long time. And Natalie is 7 years older. That is slightly weird if they are more than friends. Imo there is a huge maturity/life experience jump between 21 and 28.
But as for Harry and Chelsy making it...who knows? They are both so young I wouldn't be surprised if they broke up.
Harry news (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/25032007/323/britain-s-prince-harry-nightclub-scuffle-press.html)
Harry's boozy night (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml)
I merged a double post into one post here. ~ M
'You'd think Harry would have learnt his lesson by now' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=444583&in_page_id=1770)
QuoteIf William wasn't aware of that before - and he really should have been - he is now. And being the sensible, thoughtful, young man he is, I'm sure he'll adjust his behaviour in future.
But Harry? He shows worryingly little sign of learning from past experience. Week after week he goes back to Boujis and each time he goes he's surprised and angered by the fact that the paparazzi have gathered to record him taking those perilous few steps from club to car.
As usual, Ingrid Seward shows her anti-Harry bias.
While Natalie Pinkham speaks up for Harry:
TV PRESENTER BLASTS PRINCE HARRY ROMANCE REPORTS (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/tv%20presenter%20blasts%20prince%20harry%20romance%20reports_1026073)
Army brass aren't happy with this incident:
Double Rocket for Dirty Harry (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1452)
Ingrid Seward is a total sap....once again she'll gloss over Wills drunken antics in favour of bagging Harry...If I ever came face to face with that woman..why I'd.... :windsor:
Quote from: MapleLeaf on March 25, 2007, 06:51:47 PM
As for Mark Dyer, I'd read that he's around 10 years older than Harry and Wills,
Strange..I read that Mark Dyer is
not married. And he's in his 40's...he's definately not "10" years older than the boys :rolleyes:
Harry fell because he was drunk...plain and simple...no slipping involved...if you look at the bitumen close enough you'll see that there's nothing to slip on :notamused:
Harry is allowed to go out and drink...god knows he needs this outlet seeing as how he's off to Iraq soon...but he needs to do it in moderation.
Peter McKay..Daily Mail...
Minding a royal boozerQuotePRINCE Harry's public drunkenness isn't really the issue. What's unfortunate is his having to be accompanied to sleazy clubs by police bodyguards and Palace minders. 'Why not?' cry the whynoties, that tribe of soft-headed urban sophisticates who are against any form of personal restraint. 'Eesayounglad, innit? Eesgotarighttoenjoyimself wivoutno-onesaying nothing. Eesofftoiraqsoon fightin'forhiscountry, donforget.' As a young lad, far younger than Harry, I got hammered every weekend. We called it 'shuttered'. We liked to act really tough — large Scotches, no water, 'chased' with pints of Carlsberg Special lager. Our smokes: Capstan Full Strength, untipped, naturally. What a state we got into. However, we were not accompanied during our weekend antics by public officials. No photographer snapped us being ejected from the Two Red Shoes ballroom in Elgin. Pretending to be an ordinary drunken yob while being ferried around by detectives and Palace flunkeys, and given free booze by greasy nightclub owners, isn't really on for a royal prince —or, indeed, an Army officer, I'd have thought. Is Harry's father too guilt-stricken or wet to boot him up the backside?
And what about William hey? :wait:
pc isn't really doing a great job on the princes. imo, his number one priority is himself and his second priority is the throne. camz is probably just the third and the princes? who knows? :notamused:
the princes probably have drinking problems but since they're so close to the throne, they probably won't even acknowledge it :notamused:
and i agree, they're both spoilt. somebody needs to reign them in. as to the somebody? i have no idea. i could do it :kisskiss:
they just need to stay away from the clubs for a while. see if they can have fun without them :shrug:
where is Charles....like above and others of course have stated Charles cares for himself, throne and staying..... :thumbsdown:, Camilla, and anything to do with her, and anything else, then the boys are finally next.....i saw a tape i think when they were in the ski resort before he got married, i think i read William lips to say i am not helping him out of this one....with harry looking at William with shock or some look....i don't think William has the greatest relationship with Charles but they keep up the look of a somewhat family, William is deeply in the royal mold of things and harry to but i think he follows because he just second, because he is second.... :drama:
god save the queen ..... :shrug:
http://www.exposay.com/prince-harry-didnt-appreciate-picture-being-taken/v/9568/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=444583&in_page_id=1770
QuotePretty girls have always thrown themselves at royal princes - as Prince Charles, no doubt, remembers.
:rolleyes:
what is with the bright coloured scarf? :teehee: i like the pink boxers though. real men wear pink :kisskiss: :teehee:
Quote from: Jenee on March 25, 2007, 11:23:32 PM
Oh please!! His face is beat red, his eyes are droopy and glazed.... if you don't think he's drunk, you obviously haven't been around drunk people very much!!! And as for falling down, there was nothing there for him to trip over! It was flat pavement, no curb.
I thought it was perfectly easy to trip over flat surfaces? maybe I shouldn't be admitting that.....anyway. Harry has a ruddy compextion anyway, and being in a probably hot crowded venue...what I'm saying is I don't think he was totally wasted...at least I hope not. He probably fell because he was running at that guy and some people were trying to grab him back.
I've heard of paps saying awful things to celebs in order to get them to 'snap' and create a great photo op. And the thing is, whatever they said to Harry, he can't be doing this every time he goes out and is photographed. I imagine it's very upsetting, but I have faith Harry will learn how to deal with the press. I think he already does pretty well considering his age and the ammount of press experiance he has(I think both William and Harry were to sheltered from the press which I think was a bad idea but that's another story) the being out in clubs and yes, having a few drinks doesnt help. unfortunately it seems to be something that far too many people do, but they usually grow out of it. I hope it will be soon, but I think when Harry returns from Iraq he will have matured a lot, so I'm waiting to see what happens then.
I hope Wills and Harry stop the excessive drinking. It isn't fun when they lose self control and it will eventually erode their health if they continue.
Not too sure what to say about this... everyone is allowed to make mistakes. Having said that I don't condone "attacking" people if that is in fact what he did. To me it looks like he twisted his ankle and fell over or something, either way a prince is still a person and people are not perfect. Oh and Harry darling, it looks like you need to buy a new pair of shoes, the bottoms of yours look a bit warn. :D
It's not cool when the media is having 3 days of making fun of them doesn't look good.
QuotePretty girls have always thrown themselves at royal princes - as Prince Charles, no doubt, remembers. The only difference is that now there is always someone around with a camera-phone to record the moment.
If William wasn't aware of that before - and he really should have been - he is now. And being the sensible, thoughtful, young man he is, I'm sure he'll adjust his behaviour in future.
It doesn't seem like anyone had to throw themselves at William, he was clearly all game and he could have learned his lesson with the Tess episode but he was even bolder this time by allowing himself to be photographed with his arms around Lisa. Ms. Seward is so obviously biased against Harry and apparently still holding on to the Wills and Kate relationship sham. Both boys have been behaving badly drunken.
I'm not too familiar with Ingrid Seward, but why does she have a bias against Harry? There is something for sure--both boys were pretty intoxicated and acted on drunken impulses.
By the way, Harry was mentioned on The View this morning. He was called "the Britney Spears of Britain" which I completely disagree with. They also said Harry doesn't need to go to Iraq needs to go to therapy (William too). They also said that most people would react as he didafter being constantly being pursued by the paps and being the product of their environment--meaning, "stiff upper lip" way of thinking, having an iconic mother being pursued the way she was.
8) I see a new reality series "Princes Behaving Badly" bad boys :flowers:
Well, I do condone attacking people sometimes, especially if it's a good old-fashioned "meet me in the alley, JimBob" kind of fight. I don't believe manly young men do this for the sake of chivalry enough anymore -- it's a good thing sometimes, provided there are no guns or knives involved.
The photographer was probably a jerk, and probably said something to taunt Harry. No, they can't take them on everytime they taunt someone but once in a while might be good to keep them in line. Since there are no binding laws against the paps using verbal abuse to get a pic, I say they need to be taught a lesson once in a while, especially the scumbag ones who I have no sympathy for.
If you want to know how low some of these folks are on the food chain, just remember these are the same people who took photos of Harry's dying mother BEFORE calling for help.
Harry's a soldier now for goodness sakes -- he's supposed to fight people.
I love :hug: Harry for his authentic reactions and his gonads -- I'd have probably done the same thing under the circumstances if I was taunted, too.
Quote from: Pri on March 26, 2007, 05:21:14 PM
I'm not too familiar with Ingrid Seward, but why does she have a bias against Harry?
Ingrid Seward has always been very anti-Diana and in the good books of CH. Since Wills is more likely to be the future King than Harry, she's decided to side with Wills to get ahead in her career.
Oh, what a friggin witch!
I agree she is a complete mutha.
She knows what side her bread is buttered on though ... :notamused:
Another Harry news story, same pictures. (http://www.mollygood.com/celebrities/prince-harry/look-out-insurgents-20070326.php)
I don't care what the photographer might have said to him. People say bad things about me and I don't try and attack them. If he undertakes royal duties and someone says something rude, will Harry attack. He needs to learn to ignore them. Again the best way to avoid these types of incidents (for both princes) is to be home and sober at 3 am in the morning.
Ingrid's Majesty Magazine flourished when Diana was alive (and before the divorce). Diana was on the cover every month and the public bought the magazine. With Diana out and Camilla in after Diana died Ingrid wrote all sorts of poison pen against Diana (she even claimed Diana had an affair with Mannakee--something she retracted later on), she's invited to C and C soirees for her poison pen against Diana, and she loves Kate and now puts her on the cover (Kate isn't another DIana). She writes how "mature" William is for accepting Camilla. She favors the HEIR and trashes the SPARE. Maybe she thinks Harry isn't worshipping Camilla as much as he should and trashes him. She sheds crocodile tears and trashes Harry but poison pen people like Seward who bash Diana mess with Harry's head. She even put in a mention of the Hewitt rumors (but denied them but why did she have to mention them in the first place?).
Let's not forget that she co-authored the Simone Simmons book, which was trash. :thumbsdown:
Palace : Prince Harry did not fight photographers...
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/03/26/prince-harry-chasing-paparazzi/
Quote from: Swimmom on March 26, 2007, 08:15:15 PM
I don't care what the photographer might have said to him. People say bad things about me and I don't try and attack them. If he undertakes royal duties and someone says something rude, will Harry attack. He needs to learn to ignore them. Again the best way to avoid these types of incidents (for both princes) is to be home and sober at 3 am in the morning.
No charges have been filed and I think that it was more then just rude comments.
Quote from: sandy on March 26, 2007, 08:26:40 PM
Ingrid's Majesty Magazine flourished when Diana was alive (and before the divorce). Diana was on the cover every month and the public bought the magazine. With Diana out and Camilla in after Diana died Ingrid wrote all sorts of poison pen against Diana (she even claimed Diana had an affair with Mannakee--something she retracted later on), she's invited to C and C soirees for her poison pen against Diana, and she loves Kate and now puts her on the cover (Kate isn't another DIana). She writes how "mature" William is for accepting Camilla. She favors the HEIR and trashes the SPARE. Maybe she thinks Harry isn't worshipping Camilla as much as he should and trashes him. She sheds crocodile tears and trashes Harry but poison pen people like Seward who bash Diana mess with Harry's head. She even put in a mention of the Hewitt rumors (but denied them but why did she have to mention them in the first place?).
I agree :thumbsdown:
Quote from: EmpressofIndia on March 26, 2007, 08:41:02 PM
Let's not forget that she co-authored the Simone Simmons book, which was trash. :thumbsdown:
And wasn't that a complete hacket-job <_<
Sorry, the more I look at the pictures, the more it looks like he doesn't slip until his friend/bodyguard (whatever) tries to shove him in the car. He looks like he went after the photographer to me. I think he was too drunk to know what he was doing but that defense doesn't hold. I wouldn't put it past CH to try and pacify the photographer either.
Relax Chelsy, he's all yours (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007140082,00.html)
QuoteLast night a senior royal source said Harry was "relieved" Natalie was speaking out in his defence.
That's good. :thumbsup: Compare Natalie's public defence to Lisa's tell-all interview.
isn't interesting their concern is....he didn't cheat......he didn't attack the pappi.....but no care for the facts Harry and William seems 2 drink until they are about 2 vomit or fall on their face :notamused:
Yeah, exactly HC -- let's just ignore that 800 lb. gorilla in the room, shall we ...
OK, Harry is drinking way too much. I think he is lonely.
OK, William is drinking way too much. I think he is lonely, too.
If these guys had a stong family unit, and a few "real" friends who weren't worried about pissing them off and subsequently losing their social status (just look at what happened to Emily van Cutsem when she tried to warn Charles about William hanging out w/ Tom Parker-Bowles' set and the cocaine crowd) -- and GFs who gave a damn this wouldn't be happening so often.
The people who assume this is normal need to realize the boys don't just drink when they go out clubbing --- there are plenty of tales of them getting drunk in other people's homes and at private parties as well ...
I agree Dizzy..it seems to me that Wills and Harry are surrounded by those who think more of their position as friends of the princes rather then being friends of plain old Wills and Harry. :notamused:
I'll be their friend :thumbsup: I'm genuine..I'm a nice person... :lmao:
We all know how nice you are ... :thumbsup: :lmao:
but if I was ever in a position to help Harry (100% unlikely) he would get Dizzy the Bi***, because I believe in tough love being the only love a person needs sometimes.
Sometimes, you just have to suck it up and deal w/ your problems, and he's got some. Kids want boundaries, it makes them feel secure to push up against something and not have it budge. This gives them lifelong security. Harry and William, by not having hands-on discipline growing up (and I'm sure the nice sycophants at Eton didn't dare pi** off any of the Windsors) probably never had the benefit of this.
That feeling is I believe what they are searching for and will fill the emptiness they are trying to fill w/ drink and escapism.
Quote from: dizzylizzy on March 26, 2007, 10:59:48 PM
Yeah, exactly HC -- let's just ignore that 800 lb. gorilla in the room, shall we ...
^ exactly....i kinda worry about Harry and his drinking. :( for now it has a lot to do with his age and social life. if he's still stumbling out of nightclubs at 3am when he's in his late twenties or married then i'll vote that he has a serious drinking problem. but then again.....if he's fighting with paparazzi (no matter how much they deserve it...and they usually do ;) ) then there already
is a problem. :( too much to drink will blur anyones mind and make them do stupid/silly/dangerous things that they wouldnt do sober. but that doesnt totally excuse the behavior.
like Wombat said, Harry is his own worst enemy when he does stuff like this. and he has enough of those without shooting himself in the foot on top of it.
but i still love the guy. :hug: :hug: whatever his demons are it doesnt change the good things he's done or the good things he'll go on to do. i just hope they dont get the better of him.
I agree, I just love the guy too -- even seeing him drunk, mad and stumbling makes me sad and makes me want to give him a big ol' squishy Dizzy hug :hug: or two :hug: -- then I'll set him straight. And then I'll get back to hugging and maybe make him some of my lasagna.
... Harry seems to be hurting a lot right now and I don't know of anyone with at least half a heart who wouldn't feel protective and sympathetic towards him ...
:teehee:
those pics are absolutley hilarious! ... and probably quite embarrassing if you are a member of the RF, particularly PC and HM the Queen.
Harry's stumble and William looking completely wasted with a girl secretly taking a pic of them together ... they are going to be known as Britain's version of Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears if they keep this up!! hahaha :devil:
i sure hope their security men get paid overtime for all the babysitting they do past midnight.
Harry, what are you doing? I still think you are hot - but this drunken behaviour needs to stop...even IF you didn't assault that photographer, how can we even trust you to remember since you were falling down drunk at the time? And those pictures are plastered everywhere - even on sites that don't even care about the Royals until they do something stupid...you've managed to keep your nose relatively clean since that stupid costume party incident...and now you (and your brother) have mucked it up again. :gaah:
Quote from: Stix Chix on March 27, 2007, 12:25:08 AM
like Wombat said, Harry is his own worst enemy when he does stuff like this. and he has enough of those without shooting himself in the foot on top of it.
but i still love the guy. :hug: :hug: whatever his demons are it doesnt change the good things he's done or the good things he'll go on to do. i just hope they dont get the better of him.
Me too :cry:
Quote from: dizzylizzy on March 26, 2007, 11:27:47 PM
We all know how nice you are ... :thumbsup: :lmao:
Sarcasm will get you everywhere :devil:
Quote from: Jenee on March 25, 2007, 11:23:32 PM
Oh please!! His face is beat red, his eyes are droopy and glazed.... if you don't think he's drunk, you obviously haven't been around drunk people very much!!! And as for falling down, there was nothing there for him to trip over! It was flat pavement, no curb.
I'm not convinced Prince Harry was out-of-control. His face is often red.
As for falling down, he tripped on an uneven kerb and lost his balance.
And this is MY opinion.
This stuff just makes me wish that I could hug him... :waaaah:
Prince Harry Videos (http://video.aol.com/video-search/query/prince%20harry/familyFilter/1) from aol.com
there are a bunch about Harry...not one about William's trip on the tiles. <_<
typical stupid media.....thx tracie :hug:
:teehee: thanks for video
Ok, just because you like to have a night out, clubbing and drinking, doesn't mean you're lonely. You just like to have fun. I think you gals are over-analyzing what appears to be a harmless night out.
Prince Harry in Hot Water Again ~ cbsnews (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/26/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main2607880.shtml)
Quote"Of course, he is on leave at the moment," Jephson, a former Naval officer, told The Early Show co-anchor Hannah Storm. "And as the spokesman accurately points out, lots of military officers go out on the weekend. Harry, unfortunately, gets photographed by the news of the world so he's painted as being worse than he really is."
Was browsing youtube and came across this, sorry if it's been posted.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Ea3OPRtjws (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Ea3OPRtjws)
OMG Harry... :cry: :hug:
We shouldn't be too hard on poor Harry ~ Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/03/28/do2805.xml)
QuoteWe need to talk about Harry. Something has to be done.This week the beet-faced Prince of Boujis was in trouble again, after newspaper reports of him downing a vat of Crack Baby cocktails and being photographed falling into the gutter outside a nightclub. At least he wasn't wearing his favourite Nazi regalia, so I suppose we should all be grateful, even if the prince has proved he has no need of the dressing up box for the foreseeable future.
I thought that piece made some good points. :thumbsup:
the title has show important point
First off, I'm amazed that the RF or at least a courtier or two have apparently failed to have the "This is who we are and this is how we act" talk with EITHER of these boys. You would think that being brought up in the public eye and seeing the way the media and the public will rip you apart at any chance would have made an impression on them. They are not only embarrassing themselves with their foolish actions, but also embarrassing their family, friends, associates, employees.....not to mention the British people. :rant:
That said, the paps are HORRIBLE SCUM. They set people up all the time. They'll provoke fights...and make sure they have another one of their guys there to film or photograph the whole row. :windsor:
THAT SAID, Harry needs to wise up and act more responsibly in regards to his actions and the cost to his reputation. A bit of forethought and restraint can go a long way. And his bodyguards need to be a bit more alert as well....'specially when he's gassed!!!........Harry seems like one of those annoying, silly, stupid drunks that we all know. You have to keep an eye on that kind...and get them out of bad situations before they happen!! :pardon:
The Clown Prince--ABC News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2996166&page=1)
^there's some interesting bits in there....
QuoteDuncan Larcombe is one of those rats. He is a royal correspondent for The Sun. "Whenever we write a story on Prince Harry," said Larcombe, "our paper sells extra copies. He is the biggest selling royal for us."
well duuh.....he's the only one worth reading....even thou it looks big brother is taking a page out of his little black book ;)
Quote"In a way, it's an anthropological, sociological function," said Lacey. "There's this wonderful model family, which we're all supposed to admire and we do admire. But in our hearts there's envy. And that needs a focus."
:lmao: I love it how social science gets into this discussion :rolleyes:
Harry video about incident. (http://abcnews.go.com/nightline/) Click on number 4.
you know....i've gone through the pictures from that night and compared to the shoving match he got into with the paparazzi in 2004 this time is so different. the first time Harry actually looked really angry and you could see he was shouting at the photographer in some of the pictures. but this time his face is pretty expressionless and although the photographer says Harry was shouting at him, i havent seen it in any of the photos. Harry's bodyguard seems to be the one doing all the shouting.
looking at the pictures i think Harry didnt just fall over because he was drunk....i think he was trying to get away from the same photographer he'd been pushing? falling into? cause the guy was right at the car door when Harry was getting into the car. the door and the bodyguard where the only things keeping him back. i dont know.....i could very well be wrong.....but i dont think it was the fight the photographer is making it out to be. and i dont think it was the good natured affair CH is making it out to be either.
IVillage movie about Harry's brawl--really cheesy. Is Prince Harry cheating? (http://video.ivillage.com/player/?id=86241&ice=ls%7Chp%7Cvid_tout%7C1)
wow, how awful!