Duch_Luver_4ever Digest #1

[amabel]

Yes you'#ve said that adultery isn't right, for anyone Curryong but not why it was worse for Camilla.  however!  I would say that there is SOMe truth that charles expected his bride to fit in with him, but she had seemed to WANT To fit in and he was the POW, the royal, she was marrying inot the RF.
She HAD To fit in.. not the other way around. (Now when the RF IS more relaxed and allows its "young wives" like Kate to spend more tiem with thtier own families, I've seen royal watchers complaining about this)
and I would say that yes, Charles DID think that he had some interests and sympathies in common with Diana and that he thought that a marriage would grow into a deeper love becuase they DID start with things in common. 
THey both wanted kids, they both were "serious" people.. (I mean she wasn't a bar hopping party girl).. they botht (he thought) liked country life and sports and they loved music.  And He probably felt that in time she'd learn more about the more intellectual things that he liked such as philsophy..
And I agree that Diana had a very unrealistic perception of love.  It was probably inevitlabe given her age.. but it didn't help her to face the realities of married life.  I think we all know that its not hearts and flowers and roses round the door.  but I've seen girls older than her who do think this.. and I suppose they grow wiser with experience.  However friends of Dis' have said (kindly) that they felt that evene as a woman in her 30s who had experienced a bad marriage, she STILL had a wild romance idea of love and marriage.

[royalanthropologist]

Brides always dream but do not always get what they dream for. In a way the lack of clarity either way meant that the couple was never truly connected. Diana wanted a romantic marriage with a fully involved husband with no alternative emotional entanglements. Charles was an official consort who would fit into his way of life and generally make things easy for him. I would go as far as saying that Camilla seems to fit in better with Charles' vision of what a suitable consort for him might be.

[sandy]

Yes you'#ve said that adultery isn't right, for anyone Curryong but not why it was worse for Camilla.  however!  I would say that there is SOMe truth that charles expected his bride to fit in with him, but she had seemed to WANT To fit in and he was the POW, the royal, she was marrying inot the RF.
She HAD To fit in.. not the other way around. (Now when the RF IS more relaxed and allows its "young wives" like Kate to spend more tiem with thtier own families, I've seen royal watchers complaining about this)
and I would say that yes, Charles DID think that he had some interests and sympathies in common with Diana and that he thought that a marriage would grow into a deeper love becuase they DID start with things in common. 
THey both wanted kids, they both were "serious" people.. (I mean she wasn't a bar hopping party girl).. they botht (he thought) liked country life and sports and they loved music.  And He probably felt that in time she'd learn more about the more intellectual things that he liked such as philsophy..
And I agree that Diana had a very unrealistic perception of love.  It was probably inevitlabe given her age.. but it didn't help her to face the realities of married life.  I think we all know that its not hearts and flowers and roses round the door.  but I've seen girls older than her who do think this.. and I suppose they grow wiser with experience.  However friends of Dis' have said (kindly) that they felt that evene as a woman in her 30s who had experienced a bad marriage, she STILL had a wild romance idea of love and marriage.

Charles had a weird perception of love and marriage. He brought it into the marriage to Diana. He already had a history of being with his friend's wives and their being OK with it.

DIana's real friends never spoke to the media. I don't know which "friend" you are quoting. Doesn't sound much like a friend to me.

I don't think Charles is remotely an intellectual.
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NO, Camilla did not fit into Charles' image. His first marriage produced the heir and spare, Camilla was not chosen by him to do that. After years of their sneaking around and the years of waiting for PR to possibly kick in, Camilla joined the family.

Yes you'#ve said that adultery isn't right, for anyone Curryong but not why it was worse for Camilla.  however!  I would say that there is SOMe truth that charles expected his bride to fit in with him, but she had seemed to WANT To fit in and he was the POW, the royal, she was marrying inot the RF.
She HAD To fit in.. not the other way around. (Now when the RF IS more relaxed and allows its "young wives" like Kate to spend more tiem with thtier own families, I've seen royal watchers complaining about this)
and I would say that yes, Charles DID think that he had some interests and sympathies in common with Diana and that he thought that a marriage would grow into a deeper love becuase they DID start with things in common. 
THey both wanted kids, they both were "serious" people.. (I mean she wasn't a bar hopping party girl).. they botht (he thought) liked country life and sports and they loved music.  And He probably felt that in time she'd learn more about the more intellectual things that he liked such as philsophy..
And I agree that Diana had a very unrealistic perception of love.  It was probably inevitlabe given her age.. but it didn't help her to face the realities of married life.  I think we all know that its not hearts and flowers and roses round the door.  but I've seen girls older than her who do think this.. and I suppose they grow wiser with experience.  However friends of Dis' have said (kindly) that they felt that evene as a woman in her 30s who had experienced a bad marriage, she STILL had a wild romance idea of love and marriage.

Charles had a weird perception of love and marriage. He brought it into the marriage to Diana. He already had a history of being with his friend's wives and their being OK with it.

DIana's real friends never spoke to the media. I don't know which "friend" you are quoting. Doesn't sound much like a friend to me.

I don't think Charles is remotely an intellectual.

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I don't get the notion that marriage has to involve undying passionate love. There are many marriages that are based on mutual sympathy, interests and understanding. Eventually a deep spiritual connection may arise. Of course some people marry the loves of their lives but that is not always the case. Diana lived in a world of Barbara Cartland. When reality turned out to be different, she lashed out and threw all the toys out of the pram. The lashing out was cathartic but it did not bring her personal happiness. She still wanted to be married to Charles but the drama had gotten to him to the extent that he wanted out.

Charles' biggest sin in all this is indecision. Had he been decisive and refused to marry Diana regardless of the pressure, the story would be very different. Diana would be a fairly anonymous aristocrat, married to someone of her set. Conversely if the royals had not minded so much about "women with a past"; Charles might have married Camilla. She would have been a wonderful consort to him and we would not have had the heartache and chaos of the 1980s/1990s. It is plain to see that Charles should have married Camilla in the first place. She complements him in every way and he has actually become less morose since he married her.

IF he walked away from Diana, he would not have married Camilla Parker Bowles. He would have looked for and selected another young aristo, who may or may not have been amenable to having another woman around.

How is it known Camilla would have been "wonderful?"

[TLLK]

Yes, but unfortunately TLLK, I said 'who are King and Queen NOW, (as in April 2017) or Queen Regnant and consort.'
I agree that if Charles and Cam came to the throne next month or next year and Albert and Paola were still reigning in Belgium they could duke it out for the adultery gold cup. What an honour! Even so, Paola wasn't a second wife who had inserted herself into Albert's first marriage with a young wife.

Okay that is a minor technicality IMO because they're still known as King and Queen. :lol: However I still think that I deserve some sort of consolation prize! :P

[Curryong]

TLLK, I send you a (metaphysical) large box of chocs.  :flower: However, save them, as I'm sure you have eaten many, many chocolate eggs this weekend!  :D

[TLLK]

Just received them @Curryong!!  :D :blowkiss:

[royalanthropologist]

I was chatting to someone about an alternative strategy by Diana. The one she used was "fight to hurt". I would propose a "fight to win" strategy. Instead of going to the press, I personally would have requested the queen to give APB a fabulous posting somewhere far away with at least 10 years on it. Maybe Australia, New Zealand, Canada or Africa. Camilla would have to follow suit. That would give me a chance to be the sweetest wife ever without the competition.

If that did not work, I would make KP my safe space and demand that the royal family does not interfere in my private life. I would certainly not have inspired them to ask for a divorce. That meant that I could have my private life and my public life intact.


What do you guys think of my strategy? I welcome your thoughts.

[amabel]

I was chatting to someone about an alternative strategy by Diana. The one she used was "fight to hurt". I would propose a "fight to win" strategy. Instead of going to the press, I personally would have requested the queen to give APB a fabulous posting somewhere far away with at least 10 years on it. Maybe Australia, New Zealand, Canada or Africa. Camilla would have to follow suit. That would give me a chance to be the sweetest wife ever without the competition.

If that did not work, I would make KP my safe space and demand that the royal family does not interfere in my private life. I

None of that would be possible.  ANdre PB wasn't posted abroad, ever as far as I udnerstanad, and ithink it would be pretty awful to send him away to "get his wife away from Charles".  Harldy decent behaviour interfering in someone's life like that.  No way wuodl that happen.  Even if ANdrew were abroad, Camilla would not necessarily follow him.
and even ifshe DID, what good would this do?  Do you realy think that without Camilla, Charles would fall madly in love with a difficult sick wife, whom he had grown fed up with?  He might try ot get on with her, a litle better but even so I believe he would spend most of his time iwht his own friends (as Diana did wit hers)and find another lover whom he found more congenial.
Woud Diana be happy if Charles was just with her because he's been ordered to by the queen, esp if he had been parted from Camilla? 
as for your last point, the RF didn't "interfere in Di's private life anyway.  They let her get on with it as long as she ws discreet and as long as she stuck to the public side of her life and turned up with Charles when requested.
Upper class couples often led separate lives, they had plenty of space and money, more than one residence.. lots of "room" to be apart, but they were supposed to obey certain rules of decorum, such as being polite, and putting up a front, for servants and the family.. ie no rows and ructions that made others uncomfortable... Discretion, ie not tattling to the meida or to indiscreet friends about ther own or thteir spouses' affairs.. and a basic  loyalty to their partners even if they weren't faithful.
Diana had all that, privacy and space to do her own thing provided she kept it quiet.

[sandy]

Marriage is supposed to be in sickness and in health. So what if Charles had had the eating disorder?

Diana was very young when Charles ditched her. I think she wanted a real marriage not the "civilized" way Charles/Camilla/APB had.
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I was chatting to someone about an alternative strategy by Diana. The one she used was "fight to hurt". I would propose a "fight to win" strategy. Instead of going to the press, I personally would have requested the queen to give APB a fabulous posting somewhere far away with at least 10 years on it. Maybe Australia, New Zealand, Canada or Africa. Camilla would have to follow suit. That would give me a chance to be the sweetest wife ever without the competition.

If that did not work, I would make KP my safe space and demand that the royal family does not interfere in my private life. I would certainly not have inspired them to ask for a divorce. That meant that I could have my private life and my public life intact.


What do you guys think of my strategy? I welcome your thoughts.

The Queen had her chance to intervene pre Diana. Some courtiers complained about Charles with Camilla. The QUeen did nothing. She even condoned Charles taking Camilla as his "official escort" to Zimbabwe (again Pre Diana). The Queen could have cleaned up the mess sooner but didn't.

[royalanthropologist]

Actually, when I think about it the idea is not that good. Changing other people's careers to accommodate a love affair sound selfish. However, the royal family has done it before. They send people on missions to keep them away. Also APB was no slouch when it came to adultery.

[amabel]

Actually, when I think about it the idea is not that good. Changing other people's careers to accommodate a love affair sound selfish. However, the royal family has done it before. They send people on missions to keep them away. Also APB was no slouch when it came to adultery.

yes there were lots of things that were done in bygone days, but they wont fly now, and I'm sure the queen would have no intention of interfering with someone's life and career, to keep Charles away from Camilla. (esp since back years ago, she was notoiriuos for trying to ignore any problems and just pretend they weren't happening.
I don't see that it would matter anyway, since it woudlnt make C and Diana any more compatible..
I haven't got an exact source but the queen is reputed to have said that "Ken Palace isn't exactly bijou," so she could not understand why Diana was kicking up and wanting a separation.. that there was plenty of space and money for the Waleses to quietly lead separate lives.
Of course they had a lot of press attention, that did mean they got found out eventually, but if they had stuck together, been loyal - they could have problably stared down the press. 

[sandy]

Well Camilla could always have divorced him. But it would not put her in the safe category for Charles. It seemed to become a convenient relationship (APB/Camilla/Charles) for all concerned

I think Camilla's absence in Charles and Diana's marriage would have greatly improved chances for it working out. Another woman around is not a good thing for any marriage.

The Queen Mum was scared of another abdication crisis and when Camilla was "free" after her divorce from APB, she would not allow a marriage of C and C in her lifetime and Charles had to wait.

[royalanthropologist]

@amabel. I think Diana was spoiling for a fight. She was a woman scorned and wanted to get back at Charles and Camilla. Living in splendid isolation at KP was not good enough. She did not want Charles to be happy with Camilla, let alone him marrying her. If he was going to leave Diana, she hoped  that at least he would have to lose his place in the succession and even access to his children/family.

Morton has a statement to that effect "If I could write my own script...my husband would go away with his ladies and I would continue the Wales name with my children". Of course that was a silly and unrealistic idea. Without Charles, there would be no throne and certainly no prestige. As I said before: I think Diana fought to hurt rather than fighting to win. She chose the acrimonious route over the consensus route.

In some ways I understand her pain but in others I think she was extremely unwise to engage in confrontations that ultimately would diminish her position in Charles' life. The more strident she became in her demands, the further Charles retreated and the more allies she lost in people of her own social set. Of course the tabloids and masses loved it . Everybody loves to watch a good brawl. Diana self-destructing was one of the first hints of the reality television entertainment genre that we see today.

[amabel]

I think she wanted out sometimes and sometimes, she thogh that she could stay as Princess, with chalres having a separate court.. or maybe he might have chosen ot marry Camila, go abroad and leave his place in the succession. I think the queen HOPED It would never come to that.. but there was a bit of pressure... as some people DID think "If he's divorced and had an affair with Camilla and is now married to her, ther IS an issue with his being Supreme GOvernor of the Church."
But Diana overplayed her hand.  She might have been acceptable as a "princess without a husband" if she was seen as being "good", modest and just quietly doing her charity work and backing up her son..and was not seen to be engaged in any affairs. But of course she was involved with men and the Hoare scandal made her seem very much out of control.. THe Bashir Interview where she questioned whether Charles would be happy as King looked like her trying to push him out and was too naked a piece of "talking out of turn."
and yes it alienated a lto of people, even if the public enjoyed it.. It angered the queen and RF, it annoyed her own class of people, mostly.
In time, the whole row began to seem too much and disgusted  a lot of the public who were getting fed up with Diana's woes and fuming and fighting.. and felt that the more Shew was in the public eye, the more her weaknesses were showing.. so when the public began to get "War weary", the Press got sneerier with Diana...

[sandy]

I don't think Diana wanted this. Prince Philip advised they lead separate lives and co-exist that way. Diana was still young and wanted a real marriage and family not a sort of halfway house. Diana was only divorced for one year. How can judgments be made about her based on one year? She did her charity work, she was a free woman and had relationships with Khan and later, Dodi. She was free to date and be a single woman.

I don't think Diana was out of control with Hoare. ANd the Hoares stayed married.

the journalists and some politicians criticize Charles "talking out of turn." SHe did not say he was unfit.

Charles own 1994  interview alienated many people including his parents and siblings. He forced the APB/Camilla divorce which was a no no.  Diana was popular in 1997 no matter the insistence that she wasn't. Maybe not popular with Junor or Seward but popular the public.
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@amabel. I think Diana was spoiling for a fight. She was a woman scorned and wanted to get back at Charles and Camilla. Living in splendid isolation at KP was not good enough. She did not want Charles to be happy with Camilla, let alone him marrying her. If he was going to leave Diana, she hoped  that at least he would have to lose his place in the succession and even access to his children/family.

Morton has a statement to that effect "If I could write my own script...my husband would go away with his ladies and I would continue the Wales name with my children". Of course that was a silly and unrealistic idea. Without Charles, there would be no throne and certainly no prestige. As I said before: I think Diana fought to hurt rather than fighting to win. She chose the acrimonious route over the consensus route.

In some ways I understand her pain but in others I think she was extremely unwise to engage in confrontations that ultimately would diminish her position in Charles' life. The more strident she became in her demands, the further Charles retreated and the more allies she lost in people of her own social set. Of course the tabloids and masses loved it . Everybody loves to watch a good brawl. Diana self-destructing was one of the first hints of the reality television entertainment genre that we see today.

Diana was a realist no way would Charles have lost custody. She said in an interview she told William and Harry that she and Papa loved each other but could not live together anymore. She did not sneer at him. Charles never said he loved his wife to his biographers. Big difference.

Charles acted like a spoiled brat. He was not entitled to a mistress and he needed to take responsibility with his wife to help work on the marriage and leave the other woman out of it.

Diana was not self destructing. That is wishful thinking IMO on your part.

[royalanthropologist]

You know @amabel, there was a time when Diana had all the cards. She was separated and they could not quite push her out through divorce. She had the moral high ground as a woman wronged. Her love for her children was evident and besides she was doing magnificent charity work. Somehow, somewhere, someone persuaded her to do panorama. That meant she had lost all her cards. She now was being pushed out and had no legitimate reason for staying in.

It was an understandable emotional outburst to do Panorama and even Morton...she wanted people to know that she was hurting and that it was not her who wanted the marriage to end. But speaking strategically it was wrong, wrong, wrong. Diana was always going to be better off as the Princess of Wales rather than an embittered ex looking for love in all the wrong places.

[amabel]

well according to some people (I can't remember the details) she was persuaded to do Panorama against her wishes, but I  don't think so.  She looks to me like she was pleased to have a chance to put out her story on TV, knowing that she was always "visually appealing".. and that she could put across her tale better on the TV than Charles could.  She also said to Jephson that he would be proud of her, and of course he was horrified because it WAS pushing her to a point with the RF that they would nol longer show her any loyalty..  He had wanted ot keep her as a "Separated princess inside the family orbit "but she was reckless and was half wanting to get out, but I think hlaf not realising that this interview would finally burn her bridges with the  Queen.
Yes it was a bad move and it ended with the Q givng her the order to divorce, and she was I think frightened then. Her friends told her not to do it, saying that if she escalated the fighting, the RF would escalate too and that it would "go nuclear".. and that was what happened.
  Had she remained as Princess, I think that people would have guessed that the marriage wasn't too happy and would have sympathised with her and felt "Oh well if she has a boyfriend, discreetly who can blame her?  She's a good mother, and she does great wrok for the RF and for her charities.."  but she wanted soemting more/different.. to being a wife within the RF..

[royalanthropologist]

Panorama was a result of listening to "woman's intuition" rather than actually listening to the experts including her press secretary. Diana systematically cut out or ignored those who advised against the program. Instead she listened to those who told her what she wanted to hear: (i.e.) stick the boot in. She was coached by leading Thatcherites and her famous soundbite about three in a marriage was contrived by a comedian (Ruby Wax I think).

Bashir allegedly showed her fake evidence of a plot to kill her in order to do the final coaxing. The interview itself was a ratings success and was quite good for those who already believed in her. However, it exposed a certain hardness and bitterness which was becoming unappealing. Some people were asking why a millionaires was always complaining about her lot. The gestures and makeup were overdone.  The establishment was appalled and was almost universal in its call for a divorce. Even the Arch Bishop of Canterbury felt that enough was enough.

When the backlash started, Diana panicked . All those announcements about giving up the title then missing it were just the signs of someone that had made a monumental error but could not turn back. Princess Margaret who was once friendly and sympathetic to her became a mortal enemy. QM allegedly  ordered that her name was not to be mentioned again in her house. Even the queen was very disappointed that a member of the family could betray them in such a way.

I wish Diana had listened to good advisers and took the pragmatic course. She would probably be alive today and on the verge of being crowned queen. But again...that was her personality and it is part of what made her so popular to her fans.

[sandy]

No, it was not "women's intuition" it was her taking advice from people supposedly "in the know." Morton in his Diana in Search of Love book (2004) recounts why Diana chose to do the interview.

I don't think Diana wanted to go back to Charles. Ever. She did well in the settlement IMO.

The QM ordered Camilla's name not be mentioned after she was no longer "safe" and having divorced Andrew Parker Bowles. This after Charles blundering Dimbleby interview over a year before Diana's interview.

No way would Diana would have been crowned Queen after the separation. She and Charles could not stand being in the same room by that point.
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well according to some people (I can't remember the details) she was persuaded to do Panorama against her wishes, but I  don't think so.  She looks to me like she was pleased to have a chance to put out her story on TV, knowing that she was always "visually appealing".. and that she could put across her tale better on the TV than Charles could.  She also said to Jephson that he would be proud of her, and of course he was horrified because it WAS pushing her to a point with the RF that they would nol longer show her any loyalty..  He had wanted ot keep her as a "Separated princess inside the family orbit "but she was reckless and was half wanting to get out, but I think hlaf not realising that this interview would finally burn her bridges with the  Queen.
Yes it was a bad move and it ended with the Q givng her the order to divorce, and she was I think frightened then. Her friends told her not to do it, saying that if she escalated the fighting, the RF would escalate too and that it would "go nuclear".. and that was what happened.
  Had she remained as Princess, I think that people would have guessed that the marriage wasn't too happy and would have sympathised with her and felt "Oh well if she has a boyfriend, discreetly who can blame her?  She's a good mother, and she does great wrok for the RF and for her charities.."  but she wanted soemting more/different.. to being a wife within the RF..

I don't agree that it was only because of the Panorama interview that caused the Queen ordering the divorce. It was a series of specific events: the 1992 separation, the embarrassing Camillagate Tape, the Dimbleby book and interview where Charles admitted adultery and the PBs getting a divorce in 1995. The Panorama interview was the icing on the cake.

Diana wanted a real marriage and family and had said so. I don't think she would have been happy being married in name only for the rest of her life and not being able to remarry and have more children. She was not "old" when she died. This seems to be forgotten.

[LouisFerdinand]

You are quite right, being Princess of Wales does have its attractions although some women have still refused Charles' advances despite his title.

Lady Sarah Spencer had dated Prince Charles. She dated him only so long. She did not become the Princess that Diana became.

[amabel]

Panorama was a result of listening to "woman's intuition" rather than actually listening to the experts including her press secretary. Diana systematically cut out or ignored those who advised against the program. Instead she listened to those who told her what she wanted to hear: (i.e.) stick the boot in. She was coached by leading Thatcherites and her famous soundbite about three in a marriage was contrived by a comedian (Ruby Wax I think).

Bashir allegedly showed her fake evidence of a plot to kill her in order to do the final coaxing. The interview itself was a ratings success and was quite good for those who already believed in her. However, it exposed a certain hardness and bitterness which was becoming unappealing. Canterbury felt that enough was enough.

When the backlash started, Diana panicked . All those announcements about giving up the title then missing it were just the signs of someone that had made a monumental error but could not turn back. Princess Margaret who was once friendly and sympathetic to her became a mortal enemy. QM allegedly  ordered that her

WHat leading Thatcherites? why woud tey wish for this?  from what I've read the "plot" was soemting to do with Charles Spencer, and it was nothing like a threat to kill him or her.
  This seems very exaggerated stuff, quite honestly. where did you get it from?  I would like to hear of some sources
I don't know if any of it is trure. I think that she wanted to tlak on TV because Charles had done so, and she wanted a right of reply, and believed that she would do better than he had done.. because his TV interview had not won him any sympathy.  And that pretty much everyone she knew had advised her NOT to do anyting like that because they felt thtat it WOULD make the RF and the Establishment hostile to her. And that's what happened.  She still had a lot of sympathy esp from women, but some of the public were beginning to find the whole saga  bit off putting and just wanted the pair of thtem to shut up.. and others did have sympathy at first but felt that she was a spoiled woman who was complaining because she had an unhappy marriage and making  a big fuss.
Her staff were horrified, I don't think her family were too happy...
And when the queen ordered a divorce, I think she DID indeed panic and felt that this was'nt what she wanted at all.. (she had said so during the interview that she didn't want a divorce).  I think she began to realise that without the RF as part of her "backing team", she would be very isolated.  SHe would lose the HRH, and the RF would be polite in public - just about - and cold In private adn her own class would cool on her. She got a good financial settlement but I think that many in the RF wuodl never forgive her

[Curryong]

Lady Sarah shot herself in the foot as far as her romance with Charles went by giving an interview to Nigel Nelson and James Whitaker, tabloid journalists. Over a meal she talked about her relationship with Charles, characterised him as a romantic 'who falls in love easily', said she wasn't in love with him and if he asked her she would turn him down as she was 'a whirlwind sort of lady'. She stated he wasn't ready for marriage anyway.

Weeks later Whitaker published a long article in Woman's Own magazine, rehashing and extending this article, and writing about Sarah's anorexia, drinking, expulsion from boarding school and 'claim to have had 'thousands of boyfriends'. Whitaker wrote that Sarah rang Charles to alert him to the article and Charles said 'You've just done something extremely stupid'. Sarah frantically tried to backpedal, protesting to the DM that her remarks had been obtained by trickery, but it was too late.

Diana later told her employer Mary Robertson that Sarah had spoken to the Press and 'that was the end of her'. However, Sarah, although impetuous and flattered that Charles was courting her wasn't in love with him. Her misstep led to a happy marriage to Neil McQuodale.

[royalanthropologist]

@amabel. This is a synthesis of some of the wider issues surrounding that interview. Some of the pages have been turned upside down for some reason but you can use your reviewer to skew them back correctly:

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As for Sarah: just goes to show discretion was never a strong quality amongst the Spencers. Why the need to blurb details about your suitor or potential suitor...and to tabloid journalist of all people??? If you are not interested, you just tell the person...not run to the nearest journalist and spill the beans.  I have a wicked satisfaction in knowing that Diana later made her an "extra lady in waiting". Lol :hehe:

[sandy]

I think Sarah would have been miserable with Prince Charles.  She did much better for herself in the long run.

I don't think Sarah really wanted to marry Charles.

[TLLK]

Lady Sarah shot herself in the foot as far as her romance with Charles went by giving an interview to Nigel Nelson and James Whitaker, tabloid journalists. Over a meal she talked about her relationship with Charles, characterised him as a romantic 'who falls in love easily', said she wasn't in love with him and if he asked her she would turn him down as she was 'a whirlwind sort of lady'. She stated he wasn't ready for marriage anyway.

Weeks later Whitaker published a long article in Woman's Own magazine, rehashing and extending this article, and writing about Sarah's anorexia, drinking, expulsion from boarding school and 'claim to have had 'thousands of boyfriends'. Whitaker wrote that Sarah rang Charles to alert him to the article and Charles said 'You've just done something extremely stupid'. Sarah frantically tried to backpedal, protesting to the DM that her remarks had been obtained by trickery, but it was too late.

Diana later told her employer Mary Robertson that Sarah had spoken to the Press and 'that was the end of her'. However, Sarah, although impetuous and flattered that Charles was courting her wasn't in love with him. Her misstep led to a happy marriage to Neil McQuodale.

Thank you for the information @Curryong. I'd known that Sarah had made some comments to the reporter but didn't recall all of the details. Anyhow I agree with everyone that she found a better partner in Neil McQoudale.