Welcome to Part Four of Books written about and by the Sussexes.
The previous thread can be found here.
Books written about and by the Sussexes Part 3. (https://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=95376.0)
I?m glad to read that Sasha was only joking because that would truly have been ridiculous. I didn?t know she?d been on Piers Morgan?s show. Not exactly the pinnacle of anyone?s life to be on there, in my opinion. But I agree with
@TLLK. Both people over shared and now you have all this hoopla over something that most people would consider private.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on February 11, 2023, 03:45:06 AM
I?m glad to read that Sasha was only joking because that would truly have been ridiculous. I didn?t know she?d been on Piers Morgan?s show. Not exactly the pinnacle of anyone?s life to be on there, in my opinion. But I agree with @TLLK. Both people over shared and now you have all this hoopla over something that most people would consider private.
I truly hope that this is the last of Sasha's appearances as IMO the story has definitely run its course. And that wish also applies to Prince Harry's decision to share too many details about a certain body part. :notamused:
Yes, the oversharing is particularly unfortunate from both of them.
A review of Spare from Forbes, and a very different take on it from the British media?s.
Spare By Prince Harry, The Duke Of Sussex ? Review (https://www.forbes.com/sites/grrlscientist/2023/02/11/spare-by-prince-harry-the-duke-of-sussex---review/?sh=25077e6871e4)
I found Spare by Prince Harry, The Duke of Sussex (and his ghost writer, J.R. Moehringer) (Random House, 2022: Amazon US / Amazon UK), to be sensible, carefully structured (for the most part) and extremely readable. Unlike all the abuse spouted by its detractors, this book wasn?t scandalous, and it wasn?t self-aggrandizing. Instead, it was a very down-to-earth, very absorbing memoir by and about a person who, through no fault of his own, is living an extraordinary life. In short: I enjoyed it and read it in one long sitting.
As he tells his story, Prince Harry also considers the central issues in his own personal life, core issues that all thinking people recognize and reflect upon at some point in their own lives. The book is, by turns, emotional and raw and funny and perceptive. For example, I found it to be particularly poignant that Harry was only too well aware of his primary purpose and duties as The Spare even when he was still a very young child.
Well, yes, monarchies are unfair by their nature. I?m not sure that Harry suffered any more than any other second son in terms of not being born first. That?s why I actually felt his book to be a little ridiculous. Because if anything, it?s an argument against monarchies. Against princes in general. But that?s not at all what he?s arguing for, which leads me to ask, what would have been the solution? Make them co-Princes of Wales?
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on February 12, 2023, 01:47:02 PM
Well, yes, monarchies are unfair by their nature. I?m not sure that Harry suffered any more than any other second son in terms of not being born first. That?s why I actually felt his book to be a little ridiculous. Because if anything, it?s an argument against monarchies. Against princes in general. But that?s not at all what he?s arguing for, which leads me to ask, what would have been the solution? Make them co-Princes of Wales?
Honestly I don't know the answer to your question and I seriously doubt that any one of Prince Harry's relatives, friends and advisors would have one for you either. From what we know, Prince Harry received all of the training and education for the life he'd wanted as a member of the British Armed Forces. He had the support of the BRF and Ministry of Defense to go to the combat zones which was his desire. After his return, when he realized that the required desk duty was not a role he desired, the BRF supported his decision to retire from the Army and work with fellow veterans. He received prestigious honorary military appointments: ie: Captain General of the Marines
Some of his complaints and examples that he's shared ie: William, who do to his age was clearly going through a growth spurt, had a larger bed at Balmoral. Meanwhile at the time, Harry who had not reached that point in his physical development, had a smaller one. Honestly this is fairly typical among many families that there's an impression that one has "more" than the other. :shrug: Unfortunately these types of revelations do not appear to have impressed the majority of
Spare's reviewers and the general public. Harry's approval rating has drastically dropped in recent months since the release of
Harry and Meghan along with his memoir.
Yes hereditary monarchies are inherently unfair, as only one person is going to be the nation's Head of State. From my impression among the world's royal families, the majority of the younger siblings are seemingly content with their place in the family and that the spotlight does not fall on them all the time.
I truly hope for Prince Harry's peace of mind and future happiness that now having aired his grievances to the world, can use this time to focus on the positive aspects of his life and let go of the negativity.
That?s definitely balanced thinking. The first inclination might be, ?Gosh, it?s so unfair that my older sibling gets this, this, and that.? And then as you grow older you can also appreciate the fact that your older sibling also has to carry a great responsibility that you don?t have to. There?s positives and negatives to any situation.
I?m not going to read the book because I personally don?t find Harry to be a very interesting person. His life changes intrigued me because of what it could mean for the BRF. His comments just confuse me, to be honest. I?m not really interested in indulging in any emotion, so that?s likely why. I?m much more interested in solutions.
I actually thought he had solved his problem by leaving the RF, but then I remember that this wasn?t his first desire. It was to be half in and half out, which tells me there?s plenty of things he did enjoy about being a prince. I think he?s probably hurt that his brother and father didn?t support that plan, but he also fails to appreciate the fact that as the Prince of Wales and the King, they have to think of the institution, not just acquiesce to everything he wants because it might hurt his feelings not to.
Quote from: TLLK on February 12, 2023, 02:15:23 PM
Honestly I don't know the answer to your question and I seriously doubt that any one of Prince Harry's relatives, friends and advisors would have one for you either. From what we know, Prince Harry received all of the training and education for the life he'd wanted as a member of the British Armed Forces. He had the support of the BRF and Ministry of Defense to go to the combat zones which was his desire. After his return, when he realized that the required desk duty was not a role he desired, the BRF supported his decision to retire from the Army and work with fellow veterans. He received prestigious honorary military appointments: ie: Captain General of the Marines
Some of his complaints and examples that he's shared ie: William, who do to his age was clearly going through a growth spurt, had a larger bed at Balmoral. Meanwhile at the time, Harry who had not reached that point in his physical development, had a smaller one. Honestly this is fairly typical among many families that there's an impression that one has "more" than the other. :shrug: Unfortunately these types of revelations do not appear to have impressed the majority of Spare's reviewers and the general public. Harry's approval rating has drastically dropped in recent months since the release of Harry and Meghan along with his memoir.
Yes hereditary monarchies are inherently unfair, as only one person is going to be the nation's Head of State. From my impression among the world's royal families, the majority of the younger siblings are seemingly content with their place in the family and that the spotlight does not fall on them all the time.
I truly hope for Prince Harry's peace of mind and future happiness that now having aired his grievances to the world, can use this time to focus on the positive aspects of his life and let go of the negativity.
Very thoughtful post, as usual, TLLK! I especially like the last sentence, but I don't have faith that he will be able to do that. He has said that he suffers from PTSD depression and that it is a condition that must be managed and will not go away completely. He seems to be unable to think things through in a rational way right now.
A typology of Harry?s ?whines? by an American Professor of Psychology (who although having never met Harry has a different take on it.)
Prince Harry's Disappointments, Annoyances, and Hatreds | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/incompetence/202302/prince-harrys-disappointments-annoyances-and-hatreds)
The principal targets of Harry?s disappointments are his father, King Charles, and his grandmother, the late Queen Elizabeth. These mainly touch on their inability to express affection or to deviate from convention and rituals. The complaints here are relatively mild and involve a great deal of sympathy for the disappointer, due to the generally positive nature of the relationship and an understanding of the life circumstances (upbringing and social context) that made it difficult for them to behave otherwise.
Charles ?had trouble communicating, trouble listening, trouble being intimate face-to-face.? (p. 31). Instead, when Charles wanted to express affection for or pride in Harry, he would put it in a letter and place it on his son?s pillow. Harry wished his father could have shown his love for him more directly, and expresses mild sadness at Charles? inability to do so.
After the death of his mother, Princess Diana, Harry experienced ??the lack of stability, the lack of warmth, and love, in our home.? (p. 39). Harry expresses disappointment that his dad?s relationship with Camilla was diverting him from his kids at a time when they really needed him.
The Queen is generally exempt from Harry?s whines, except when she is described as a slave to tradition, unwilling to deviate from counsel provided by her conservative advisers. An example, which Harry considered ridiculous, was when she refused to allow his brother to keep his beard or wear his own regimental uniform when he married Kate because they violated protocol. (p. 184)
Continuing on from disappointments to Annoyances
Annoyances
Unlike disappointments, which involve regret rather than anger, annoyances involve momentary anger that does not threaten the positive relationship that the person continues to have with the annoyer. Most of the examples of this in Spare involve Harry?s brother, Prince William. After the two brothers married somewhat discordant spouses, however, the relationship began to fray and the anger became more intense.
William was described as unsympathetic to Harry?s emotional struggles, such as when he laughed at Harry?s sweating profusely after having a panic attack while delivering a speech (p. 236).
When Harry first joined his older brother at Eton, his feelings were hurt when ?Willy told me to pretend I didn?t know him.? (p. 42)
When Harry started what became the Invictus Games, he thought he could count on a half-million-pound seed grant from the Royal Foundation, controlled by William and himself. He was startled when his brother objected, claiming it would use up too much money. ?What was going on here? I wondered. Then I realized: My God, sibling rivalry. I put a hand over my eyes. Had we not got past this yet?? (p. 223)
Hatreds are, as the Professor observes, relatively few in Spare and generally centre around the tabloid Press (and the men in grey at BP)
Rebecca Brooks, the editor of the biggest tabloid, is described thusly: ?Loathsome toad, I gathered. Everyone who knew her was in full agreement that she was an infected pustule on the arse of humanity, plus a shit excuse for a journalist.? (p. 70) He mostly refuses to use the names of people he hates, so he calls her ?Rehabber Kooks.?
Harry had contempt for some of the PR people who worked for the Queen or for Charles and Camilla. Two hated assistants he refers to as ?the bee and the wasp.? He characterizes them thusly: ?I disliked these men, and they didn?t have any use for me? They considered me irrelevant at best, stupid at worst. Deep down, I feared that each man felt himself to be the One True Monarch, that each was taking advantage of a Queen in her nineties, enjoying his influential position while merely appearing to serve.? (p. 366)
He accuses Camilla of being cozy with the tabloid editors (who she entertained at Clarence House), using them to advance her campaign to become Queen Consort, in part by having an assistant plant stories critical of Harry and William (p. 361). It may be too strong to say he hates Camilla but he comes pretty close.
With no fact checking, he surely does a great deal of excusing for Harold and how he 'sees fit' with his memory. :hehe:
Invictus Games
GBP 1m of funding for Prince Harry's Invictus Games project was provided by The Royal Foundation, with an equal amount being pledged by Chancellor George Osborne from Treasury funds generated by fines imposed on banks as a result of the Libor scandal. In 2020, the Invictus Games Foundation had a GBP1.77 million income, GBP 560,000 of which came from a grant by The Royal Foundation's Endeavour Fund that was set up by Harry in 2012.
August 2021 The Royal Foundation gave the Invictus Games Foundation GBP 1m (then the Royal Foundation of the DDOC) ⏪ Effectively saving the Invictus Games (it was all over the news)
So basically Harry is moaning (again) about William, when the Invictus Games were founded, Harry had by the 'Endeavour' the half a million he is crying about, which is his, which can be found all over the news, which he used as a ''seed'' 2012, being the first Invictus game 2014. Trying to change history.
RE: Invictus, I'd like to make a correction.
The Royal Foundation (without Prince Harry, as it was started with Prince Harry and Prince William, Kate was added on when she married in) didn't "gift" money to Invictus and they didn't save it. That money was already ear marked for as money raised by Prince Harry in relationship to the Endeavor Awards.
Once Harry and Meghan left, everything charity related to go through a wait period for the funds to be released. That money was already for Prince Harry, raised by a foundation that he was apart of and helped build. Once he split, after review and etc, the funds were released to the people they were already owed too (Prince Harry, Invictus and etc). Invictus has other partnerships and sponsors so it was never in a position that it needed 'saving'
The Cambridge's giving money to 'save' Invictus was always a media spin because that money already belonged to Invictus. The media took this spin and ran with it but if anyone did any digging into the report, they'd would've seen that, it was a lie and some good PR for KP.
Money owed is not money gifted.
https://twitter.com/royal_suitor/status/1428500436961546240
This thread explains it in details and goes through the report.
Let's make the above post the last one regarding the Royal Foundation and the Invictus Games. Further off topic posts will be removed.
For further discussion about Invictus and the Royal Foundation - Archewell Foundation, Invictus and other charities, news and activities Part 4 (https://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=95385.0)
Royal Foundation News (https://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=89984.0)
^ And yet in his book he trashes his brother. 2 Facts taken from the 'accounting books' show irrefutably that Harry is a liar with his memory as I see fit.
I disagree with you based on what I posted is all I can say. As what I posted, proves Harry's point about this own foundation and the media spin that was put out as a lie.
Harry talks about William in his book, based on how he was treated by William.
If people don't want to be talked about bad about in books based on they treat people, then they shouldn't do it.
Most of what Harry said in his book isn't being denied, it's that people are upset he said anything about it.
What was said to private conversations isn't being denied, what has most worked up is that he talked about it. And when it comes to that, oh well, I find what was being said to him worse than him revealing what was said and I don't think that's something we'll agree on but I respect that you see if a different way.
I also respect that William might feel some type of way, I just don't believe in William
Harold is obsessed with William, mentioning Willy 360plus times in 400 pages.
I doubt the senior royals will have a tit for tat with him and feed a soap opera.
The Psychologist based his assessment in a Harold example of W not wanting to fund/seed a project, the facts proved Harold's assessment wrong/lie, the seed came from his own charity under the umbrella as stated in several comments herein mentioned.
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When Harry started what became the Invictus Games, he thought he could count on a half-million-pound seed grant from the Royal Foundation, controlled by William and himself. He was startled when his brother objected, claiming it would use up too much money. ?What was going on here? I wondered. Then I realized: My God, sibling rivalry. I put a hand over my eyes. Had we not got past this yet?? (p. 223)
See what Harold wrote. BUT what we both posted proves this to be a lie. The seed came from E which was under the umbrella of the F, even the chancellor at that time doubled the moneys.
I don?t know about lies or truths, but I do know that what Harry wrote is his *perception* of what occurred, not necessarily what actually happened or the intent behind the actions. Just like if William wrote a tell-all book about what an awful person Harry was, that would only be his perception of Harry?s actions.
Especially considering he gives you a disclaimer by specifically stating that this is about how he remembers events and that speaks to truth more than facts. Something I personally categorically reject based on logic.
The money territory is a serious accusation he is doing versus the financial yearly review signed sealed and delivered by external audit.
Harold: William didn't want to help me with the moneys, but
Fact: the Financial Yearly Review proves Harold's assessment to be not only untrue, but the UK Government even helped him, might I add not only with moneys but with the UK Olympic Committee workers paid by the UK OC, not by Harry.
He just proves himself to be an ungrateful spoiled little monster.
In other news related to Harry's virginity, Google Maps hasn't brought down yet this landmark location. In order to place a landmark, it has to be a internal worker at Google.
(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/9bd43cebfc855862518a0b8c9ec9ba2f)
^ That?s kind of gross.
I think that is just a begninning of it. The Pub wants to place a ''blue plaque.
17 year old Prince Harold is lucky it was his ex friend Sasha who was the only one who protected herself, pill. A gold digger surely would have tried to get pregnant.
Source: Interview with Piers Morgan
Note: She is going to get paid very handsomely, the American (virtual via zoom) TV interview tour
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After the two brothers married somewhat discordant spouses
How does the Psychologist know Kate is a discordant spouse? There hasn't been any Red flag to suggest Kate being discordant. Does he know that the Sussexes are in discordant mode with both sides of the family? Does he know that Kate is not discordant with her family and that of William?
What I do know is since Megxit the Montecito duo have attacked non stop the PPOW's with obsession.
What if Neil Sean is right in some of his Kate news, that I haven't copy/pasted in the RIF. i.e. She sent letters reaching out to help a new Meghan, ignored. Latest Kate had reached out when Meghan was allegedly suicidal, offered to help her, ignored, that Kate privately was (and still is) sad with H and M shenanigans gone public, hence Valentine Low's book said that the staffers think M didn't want help from the word Go, paper trailing here and there to leave with H, registering and keeping her California key personal workers/contacts.
I would assume that they're assuming information about Kate the way information is assumed about Meghan.
Also, If I was Meghan, I wouldn't trust Kate or really anyone in the family at that point. They had the chance to welcome and her treat her warmly and when she had given Kate an out for Kate's not so nice behavior, she was told she wasn't close enough (but they were close enough for Kate to bagger Meghan about dresses when a tailor arrived, after confirming that she did know what Meghan was going through her father). When she tried to be nice to William, Kate shut it down. Kate, said nothing when it came to all of the hate and abuse Meghan got after that Meghan made Kate cry story when it was the other way around and even know Kate said to Meghan, that she knew it wasn't true. She still sat back and benefitted from the smear, abuse and etc directed at Meghan. So, assuming Neil Sean is right, if I were Meghan, I would wonder if Kate truly meant it or if something else about my life would end up the papers or would it be used for PR. When Meghan was suicidal, it was clear that the people around in her the UK (save for some of those close) were not to be trusted (re: Valentine Low saying that a member of HR told him that Meghan had asked for out-patient treatment for her dangerous thoughts), any reply back to Kate might've ended up in the papers. (Even if it was just a staff member who saw it or was related to it and not Kate herself).
Also, Meghan knew her contracts, work related and etc after many years. There was no reason for to just drop contact when she would've had a close relationship from years of working together. Case in point, when the relationship with Harry was announced and it was clear that they were a serious item, it was NBC who made sure she was safe and secure.
Info dump time:
Spare has reached it's 4th week of being no.1 in The Netherlands.
If anyone lives in Overland Park, KS in the US:
The CoLab at JCCC tweeted
"The JCCC Billington Library will hold a discussion on Thursday, February 23 from 12:15-1PM about the book "Spare" by Prince Harry. Don't have a copy? You could win one by entering the raffle on February 13th and 14th. Free cookies will be provided on February 14th after 10 am!"
https://twitter.com/CoLabJCCC/status/1625193118973718531
Ill fitting dresses to ALL the girls were fixed.
One can't compare that to being called baby brain by a new comer.
Proof that Meghan and Harry are discordant with both families is public knowledge to everyone.
So she conveniently other than keeping her California people, also registered company names and filmed everything before marrying, we are talking about 2017. :happy15: Right!
I think everyone just needs to get over it. I think the RF certainly has. No apology will be forthcoming from William and Kate because rightly or wrongly, they do not believe they are in the wrong. Harry and Meghan have the life they apparently dreamed of and if the RF is that patently awful, why would they want to talk to them anyway?
Sometimes family doesn?t get on. It?s not exactly unheard of. They don?t care for her. The staff at KP doesn?t care for her. Maybe it?s because of her race, maybe it?s because they?re all jealous of her, or maybe it?s because she didn?t treat them as well as she would like everyone to believe.
I really wish they had just moved to California and not said another word about them, to Oprah or anyone else. I would have actually really respected that. But as it stands, it really does feel like they?re being hypocritical about media, whilst making a pretty penny off of that obsession with royals that they deem to be so toxic.
Meghan (and Harold the accessory) had their initial talks with Oprah 2018 before Meghan's alleged suicide thoughts when she was pregnant, if that doesn't tell you that they were discordant since the word Go, whilst registering in Delaware a whole bunch of companies too. We have 2 ladies, one that worked for 18 years with the Queen, another for 5 plus years with Hilary Clinton, both ladies were collateral damage to the Duo.
At this point they don't care that people (a lot of people because they over exposed themselves with all types of media outlets) know.
Their words are just contradictory to the actions in a lot of scenarios, in my opinion. For example, when Kate felt that she had made Meghan feel bad, Kate apologized and sent her a gift. She didn?t say, ?Oh well, I didn?t mean to hurt you, so it?s no big deal.? She reached out to the person who felt hurt and apologized, regardless of whether she really felt she was in the wrong or not. When Kate felt and voiced that Meghan had hurt her feelings, Meghan just told her that?s how she talked to friends and offered no apology for her actions.
Harry felt that William wasn?t being welcoming to Meghan, but what William was doing was standing up for staff members that, in their estimation, weren?t being treated fairly. I?ve said it before, but as someone that isn?t exactly any type of fan of William and Kate, Harry?s comments about them actually made them sound pretty mature.
I guess what?s really strange is that they don?t seem to understand that their feelings aren?t the only ones that matter, and that other people may have their own boundaries and preferences. And it?s not their right to have everything their way at every point.
There is a great deal of contradictions from the Oprah, The Cut, Vanity Fair, Netflix, Spare, etc. Too much over exposure I lost count, and it is hard to keep up. People who aren't royal watchers started to note the contradictions. Others who lost interest, literally gone for years are back in social media discussing it, mostly because of the alcohol and drug abuse.
Then there is the couple's own stories that backfired like the (stupid and why would one publish it) lip gloss gate in Harry's book. This is just one example that ladies magazines worldwide even did a poll about 'sharing' lip gloss be it squeezed to the finger or direct to the lips, all with a landslide majority of No don't share rather than Harry (and Meghan) wanting to shame Kate for hesitating to share her lip gloss. Boundaries? I wish Kate had told Meghan, you can keep it. Just in case, the minority of people who said Yes because it's the squeeze tube, hands is the most germ receptor anywhere indoors and outdoors. Fact. Makeup is not shared. I personally hate when someone wants to use my eyeshadow, and even gave me the excuse that she won't use my brush but rub her finger on the eyeshady, it ended in the waste basket. Boundaries, none, my home invitation, never again. Let's meet at the pub shall we... :happy15:
Boundaries, Harry said Meghan has no boundaries. There, I said it. No boundaries, no respect for anyone.
^ Yeah, that was just gross. Something I did back in middle school, but wouldn?t imagine asking even my best friend to do, much less my boyfriend?s sister.
And that?s another example. Very minute. But it?s the idea that not everyone sees something the same way you do, and upon even a modicum of self reflection, I would hope any adult would be understanding of the fact that not everyone is comfortable sharing things that go on your lips.
For the 5th Week, Spare is at the top of the The NY Times Best Sellers list for nonfiction for Hardcover and Combined Print and E-Books. Spare is also the No. 1 audiobook on Audible.
I thought 3 weeks max, since the hype and hubbub around it has died down. Even with the Sasha coming out, it didn't do much. Now, I truly expect it to start to free fall, by the end of the month maybe in the top 10? but we'll see
Spare has 4.8 rating on Audible with 50K reviews.
Impressive.
I'm more impressed by how well it's continuing to do while being a little over a month out. And with little promotion (by normal book promotion standards.) by Prince Harry
Littltle promotion? You must be kidding. Harry has been on TV and the internet and talking about the book,
No.
I'm not kidding, I meant it, how I said it.
Harry hasn't been on the internet talking about the book. Unless you know of some social media account, article or etc, he, himself has written.
As I said, compared to normal book promotions, it's been little. He gave an interview to ITV, CBS, Good Morning from the comfort of his home. The interview with Bryony from his home. The only one he traveled too, was for the Colbert Show. Normal promotions include, book signings and tours. He announced he was having a book, said nothing about it until it was time for released, did his interviews and has been silent again.
Michelle, has been did 13 stops for her books, including panels. 13 compared to five.
Random House didn't release a bunch of banners or ads for the book. Archewell as no social media so it wasn't being promoted that way. He hasn't been seen or heard from since the Colbert.
We on this forum, and the British Media and some American outlets have talked about his book more than he has promoted it.
So, amazing sells and staying power for a book that received little promotion from the author himself.
Amazing indeed that so many will buy a nonsenical book full of lies and nastiness, but then lots of rubbish books sell very well.
Either way, still amazing sells and reviews for a book that's been out a little past a month with little promotion, as compared to normal promotion.
If you feel like it's a bunch of lies, I can only, personally, disagree with you.
Trash sells. and Harry has told so many lies, him and Meghan, that one can't beleive anything he says.
I would be interested in the relative promotion compared with other celebrity memoirs. I think it?s a bit unfair to make Michelle Obama the comparison as she was a highly influential political figure whose accomplishments span an entire lifetime and is internationally beloved and admired. She?s not afraid to answer the tough questions. Harry seems to require control upwards and outwards, so he?s very careful about only speaking to friendly media.
A lot of this is rubber necking. It was expected Harry would trash his family and he did.
I think we can all agree no one bought the book looking for anything profound. Harry is very simple. He likes Brainy Quote. He likes cartoons.
All he does is attack the family and institution that has given the platform in the first place. I don't think history will be kind.
I see it differently, the more moneys the couple make the better. It means a win win situation, no tail between legs begging Charles (next William) for moneys to live their lifestyle and the latter (BRF) will breathe a sigh of relief. It is imperative to the BRF that the Sussexes stay together forever and far away. Look at it, if both or one of them is in serious financial trouble, the media will go nuts and all sorts of articles will bounce to Charles and William with the will they or not help the troubled couple.
Everyone knows the couple love a drama, so keep the drama at their side of the pond, although I'm wishing the US Media stop trashing them.
The majority don't want the couple in the UK.
Think about the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, then imagine IF either had separated/divorced, they are both off putting, not together, is more toxic and worse, nagging the Queen, the press, the delusions of grandeur et all. :happycry:
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on February 21, 2023, 05:57:46 PM
A lot of this is rubber necking. It was expected Harry would trash his family and he did.
I think we can all agree no one bought the book looking for anything profound. Harry is very simple. He likes Brainy Quote. He likes cartoons.
All he does is attack the family and institution that has given the platform in the first place. I don't think history will be kind.
Partly true. A few years ago, noone would have expected H to attack his family, and even after Orprah, I think that the level of aggression and nastiness in this book surprised and shocked people. but yes it sells because people want to see what he comes out with, not because they like or approve of him.
Quote from: Amabel2 on February 22, 2023, 07:39:30 AM
Partly true. A few years ago, noone would have expected H to attack his family, and even after Orprah, I think that the level of aggression and nastiness in this book surprised and shocked people. but yes it sells because people want to see what he comes out with, not because they like or approve of him.
Unfortunately I have to agree with your post
@Amabel2. I believe that many people are choosing to read the book due to its "shock and awe" factor.
I'd wait till it came in the library, if i wanted to read it. But from all Harry's said about it and te bits that I have read, I dont want to read it. But there are millions of books aobut hitler and the Nazis and they all sell, it does not mean that (most) people like Hitler.
I think that since Oprah, people DO expect some lashing out from Harry and that's partly what they buy the book for.. "what will he reveal or make up about the RF and his dad and Camilla" etc... but even so, this book proved so much nastier and more agnry and aggressive than the public expected. I thought myself that he woudl have a go at Camilla, but I didn't expect him to show such animus against his brother.
I have not bought the book and probably won't read it. I just feel that Harry is very ill and that whatever he said or wrote can't be taken at face value.
I wonder - there is I think an element of mental illness but much of it, I fear is simply that Harry is an aggressive and quite nasty character. He has clearly had an animus against his brother going back years, and has taken the opportunity of writing this book to attack him. He knows that much of what he's saying about Will is not true, Im sure.
The knowledge that William has a bad temper is and was well known. There were lots of stories about it. Robert Jobson wrote about William?s hair trigger temper and ?grand? manner in his bio of Charles. Camilla was said to have been surprised at the virulence of William?s temper.
The Tory MP, 52, said the Duke of Sussex had 'let down' his former Army comrades by revealing his kill count in his autobiography 'Spare'.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace accuses Prince Harry of 'boasting' about his Taliban kill-count | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11783789/Defence-Secretary-Ben-Wallace-accuses-Prince-Harry-boasting-Taliban-kill-count.html)
The Defense Secretary had a long career in the Armed Forces and I'm not surprised that he, like many other service members, believes Prince Harry should not have revealed that specific information in
Spare. UK defence secretary accuses Prince Harry of ?boasting? about war killings | Prince Harry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/23/uk-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-prince-harry-boasting-afghanistan)
QuoteThe UK defence secretary, Ben Wallace, has accused Prince Harry of ?boasting? about the number of people he killed while on tour in Afghanistan and ?letting down? his fellow service personnel.
Wallace, a former soldier, joined other high-profile veterans to have criticised the Duke of Sussex?s claim he killed 25 Taliban soldiers while serving with the British army.
Though Wallace said it was up to each former service personnel member to ?make their own choices about what they want to talk about?, he said it was not something he would have divulged about his own time as a captain in the Scots guards.
?The armed forces is not about a tally,? Wallace told LBC radio on Thursday. ?I frankly think boasting about tallies or talking about tallies ? distorts the fact that the army is a team game.?
Wallace said serving in the military was a ?team enterprise? and that for any person to go into combat they would have been supported by ?hundreds of people behind them? ? whether in a headquarters back in Britain or by the Royal Logistic Corps who helped them get there.
Emphasising he was voicing a personal view, Wallace said he believed the success of a person?s time in the armed forces was not measured by ?who can shoot the most or who doesn?t shoot the most?. He added: ?If you start talking about who did what, what you are actually doing is letting down all those other people, because you?re not a better person because you did and they didn?t.?
Spare has now topped New York Best Sellers for it's 6th consecutive week. Shock and awe might initially sell but it wouldn't create staying power.
Either way, congratz Prince Harry.
There are as many vets, who happy with said and having read the actual text, understand Harry wasn't boosting. It's fair for Mr. Wallace to think that he shouldn't have but he doesn't rep the entire community. And the fact that he said Harry boasted, only proves to me he didn't actually read the book or even just the passage because Harry didn't boost. He was very matter of fact in the fact that he killed 25 people and that's something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. For good or bad, taking a life, even in the name of the country is hard thing to do.
One little bit of trivia related to Prince Harry's mother...Ben Wallace was one of the soldiers on duty in 1997 who escorted the casket of the late Diana, Princess of Wales back to the UK from France.
Ben Wallace said he 'wouldn't rule out' being PM as support grows for former Scots Guard - Scottish Daily Express (https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/ben-wallace-said-wouldnt-rule-28255492)
QuoteFive years later, Mr Wallace was on duty the night Princess Diana died and was part of the unit sent to Paris to bring her body home.
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A review from Amazon about the book.
I'm posting because I agree with the he should've been tested for learning disorders and he should've went to Gordonstoun and not Eton. That being said, the bigger issue was not getting this young boy 1. tested for learning disorders and not getting him a grief counselor or something to that effect. The ball had been dropped for him in a lot of ways.
Quote from: TLLK on February 23, 2023, 01:07:04 PM
The Defense Secretary had a long career in the Armed Forces and I'm not surprised that he, like many other service members, believes Prince Harry should not have revealed that specific information in Spare.
UK defence secretary accuses Prince Harry of ?boasting? about war killings | Prince Harry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/23/uk-defence-secretary-ben-wallace-prince-harry-boasting-afghanistan)
I also liked why he said that. He specified that Harry answers for himself and that even if it wasn?t boasting, he personally disagreed with him even discussing it at all because of the fact that the military do these things as a team. It?s not about individual kills, it?s about the mission and the team?s role in accomplishing it.
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A review from Amazon about the book.
I'm posting because I agree with the he should've been tested for learning disorders and he should've went to Gordonstoun and not Eton. That being said, the bigger issue was not getting this young boy 1. tested for learning disorders and not getting him a grief counselor or something to that effect. The ball had been dropped for him in a lot of ways.
I have read that Harry is dyslexic which is a very general and broad term I M H O. It can cover a far range of reading related and other visual disorders. I personally know of one adult who found it difficult to learn to swim just by visual observation and he was severely dyslexic.
As to Harry not being diagnosed earlier, there were likely clues far earlier than Eton. By then it would have been extremely difficult to play "catch up." During that era, there would have been fewer resources at private schools as they could simply tell parents that it wasn't a good "fit" and they would have suggested another institution.
Beatrice's parents did listen and after agreeing to have her evaluated and diagnosed, enrolled her in the best program to address her individual needs.
I have read that one or both of Harry's parents were reluctant to have him assessed. Without parental consent, Harry's teachers and administrators would be unable to assist him. When Harry reached adulthood, he could have request his own evaluation and seek assistance. However I expect that at some point, he'd found some coping behaviors and used those to complete his academic work required at Eton.
Many learning disabilities are inherited. I have no doubt Beatrice and Edo will be watching to see if Sienna shows any signs of requiring an evaluation.
Hopefully should any child shows signs of a delay, their parents and guardians will be open and receptive to having their child assessed.
Thank you Change for posting that review from Amazon about Spare. It?s a very fair appraisal, and refreshing to read after all the poison of most other reviews that have been gleefully published in the British Press.
A lot of things should have been done with Harry after his mother?s death. Like Zara and Peter Phillips Harry was sporty and would have thrived at Gordonstoun I think. He should not have been left like a lost soul roaming about his father?s apartment at St James for weeks after Di?s death in Paris. And yes, most of all, he should have received some longterm counselling about his grief around his mother?s death. And that counselling should have continued.
Quote from: Curryong on February 23, 2023, 10:53:23 PM
Thank you Change for posting that review from Amazon about Spare. It?s a very fair appraisal, and refreshing to read after all the poison of most other reviews that have been gleefully published in the British Press.
A lot of things should have been done with Harry after his mother?s death. Like Zara and Peter Phillips Harry was sporty and would have thrived at Gordonstoun I think. He should not have been left like a lost soul roaming about his father?s apartment at St James for weeks after Di?s death in Paris. And yes, most of all, he should have received some longterm counselling about his grief around his mother?s death. And that counselling should have continued.
Here's a very old DM article that refers to some of the academic concerns that William's Eton House Master had regarding Harry being admitted to the school. Andrew Gailey had warned Diana that he believed that Harry would face difficulty at the institution. Keep in mind that Eton faculty would have had access to prospective students' school records and any standardized testing results to determine admission.
Should we feel sorry for Prince Harry? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-348661/Should-feel-sorry-Prince-Harry.html)
QuoteFresh look at Harry
Perhaps, therefore, it's an appropriate moment to take a fresh look at the young man, fourth in line to the throne, who has been so demonised as nothing more than an upper-class lout over the past two or three years. Why does he behave the way he does?
To answer that question, one must go back more than ten years to when Diana, Princess of Wales, was still alive. In seeking to assert her preferences in all corners of her failing marriage, she chose Eton, the school of her father and brother, for Prince William over her husband's alma mater Gordonstoun. And because Prince William went there, so too should Harry.
But when the Princess approached William's housemaster, Dr Andrew Gailey, to talk about her youngest son he gently warned that there could be problems ahead.
Harry, he said, had learning difficulties which could prove devastating for him in a school where excellence is a byword, and where preferential treatment for bluebloods has long since disappeared. Charles and Diana went ahead anyway and Dr Gailey's fears were fulfilled.
Where William proved a success, Harry had difficulty in keeping up from the start. Had Diana lived, she might well have been forced to the tough but ultimately sensible decision - one reached by many parents - to take her younger son out of Eton and place him somewhere where the culture was less competitive.But Diana died and Prince Charles - a loving but not a hands-on parent - had his attention focused elsewhere. Soon Harry was coming bottom or near-bottom in his classes, and was struggling badly.
'He should not have gone to Eton'
Is it any surprise, then, that sympathetic tutors, seeing his dilemma and foreseeing the humiliation of his A-level results (or lack of them) being publicly aired at the end of his school career, may have given the Prince a helping hand?
The evidence presented at the tribunal hearing this week of former art mistress Sarah Forsyth - she is claiming unfair dismissal and sexual discrimination following her sacking two years ago - points, not to a conniving Harry eager to cheat his way to A-level success, but to a young boy desperately out of his depth and grateful for any help he could get.
"He should not have gone to Eton, it's as simple as that," said one former courtier I spoke to this week. "From a security point of view it was convenient since his brother was already there.
"And then there's the prestige, too. But the Prince of Wales should have been prepared to review the situation, and not just assume that because William sailed through so, too, would Harry."
Perhaps Charles's distance from the boys was a factor in his failure to take Harry's plight more seriously. Indeed, I was told in 1997 by one of Charles's entourage that in the 365 days leading up to Diana's death the Prince had custody of his two boys for just 22 days.
Spare has reached one million copies officially sold in the US and under 6 months.
Also, I came across a clip of Wallace's interview and I'll say, I'll feel more back for him. It seems like Nick Ferrari tried to bait Wallace into taking a swipe at Harry. Wallace tries not to fall for it but does. Wallace said that it's a vets personal choice to talk about what they want to talk about. It doesn't seem that Wallace has an issue with Harry said about the number because it has something to do with security or human's lives. He says that one thing is, talking about the number of people killed, distorts the fact that the army is a team game.
Now, I will say, I'm side-eyeing that fact that he called it a game but at the very least. He wasn't just talking to talk, he was baited into it, tried to switch it up but didn't manage to do it.
And some others but I can admit, even I fell for the papers and headlines. He wasn't as...rude/nasty about it as the papers made it sound. Once he realized he was being taken for a ride, he did try and change things but it was too late. Still, he doesn't speak for all vets but I can respect that he feels like Harry shouldn't have said anything because, he wouldn't, in his own personal choice. Just as the American vet said he had 0 issues with Prince Harry saying the number. And all of the other vets who spoke in favor of him but they don't get all of the headlines and buzz.
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RE: TTLK - I have heard that he was / might be dyslexic? On another site, I saw a comment that said Harry stated that himself but I could never find an actual video or quoted article?
That being said, I didn't know that dyslexia could take on that form or it was that wide a range. I never had anyone close to me who had (there are a few kids/adults in my family who have ADD & ADHD but our health concerns tend to run more towards diabetes.) Andrew and Fergie aren't the top 10 people in my list but they do seemed to go to back for their kids. I'm glad that when it came down to it, they did what was best for Beatrice and focused on her needs. I didn't know that. And I agree but the time he was a teen/young adult. There would've been a fair bit of internalized shame and he would've used whatever coping skills he had managed to pick up.
In regards to that, I think his problems, allowed him to even fall into the media narrative of being 'dumb'. For example, in a section, Harry felt like he wasn't smart enough for the French class he placed in. So he begged to be put with the 'slow' talkers but his testing placed him in an advanced class. Still, because the teacher spoke quickly and didn't invest in him as student, he said to himself, "I'm not smart enough for this." His teachers should've come up with a plan to help him, the teacher slows down and instead, they listened to him, placed him with a slow "talkers". He just took that as another sign that he was 'stupid' 'not good enough' 'didn't belong' when his testing showed that he did have some type of
As far as Diana and Charles, I did hear something like Diana had consider getting teachers/sending Harry to America to learn but I don't know how true that was. After Diana's death, I'll say, I think in his own way, Charles tried his best but in the way of a parent, he didn't.
He should've been more involved, a lot of people have said that. That being said, Harry's book gave a lot of humanity and humility that I didn't have for Charles before. I felt (and still do) that he likes the good PR but for me, it's lacking when it his actions need to follow his words. It was great PR and look to walk Meg down the isle, to walk out with Doria but when it came to actually being a father-in-law, a King. He dropped the ball. I don't care how much blow back you might get, when your grandson is called a chimp. As a King, a future head of state of a Commonwealth of over 70% people who look more like Meghan than you, you speak up. When your grand-daughter is being bullied by the media and palace aids because of her name, say something.
And I say that, because, when he had one of his many cash for honors scandals, an article comes out next day about how happy he was to met Lili.
BUT
After reading's Harry's book, learning some of his quirks. I view Charles as much more human...person, a person who is afraid of the media, who wasn't given the tools as a young man to properly do what he needs to do as a parent. Does that absolve him in my eyes? Not really but I it was a weird feeling when I found himself warming to him/finding him charming at some points in the book. I came away with more understanding for what he tried to do.
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RE: Curryong
No problem! Honestly, I've only posted this one but there are a lot of good and balanced review of Spare across a bunch of mediums. Those just don't get posted or don't make the headlines. One reviewer noted how while Harry might have issues with his memory due to trauma (something he states) that because of the trauma he's also a developed a great sense of detail? Like how he's able to remember the visuals and etc. Articles/website that focus on family dynamics and how they relate, those in the army, places that focus on grief and etc. There are a lot of good, nuanced reviews out there.
I can't remember the reviewer but one pointed out (and I agree with) the very sad and complex way he dealt with self-harm, in a sense. He played a sport where he was fine with getting seriously injured because he simply wanted to feel something.
Gordonstoun would've been a great school for him. I think and I agree he shouldn't have been left alone.
Quote from: changemhysoul on February 24, 2023, 04:01:46 PM
Spare has reached one million copies officially sold in the US and under 6 months.
Also, I came across a clip of Wallace's interview and I'll say, I'll feel more back for him. It seems like Nick Ferrari tried to bait Wallace into taking a swipe at Harry. Wallace tries not to fall for it but does. Wallace said that it's a vets personal choice to talk about what they want to talk about. It doesn't seem that Wallace has an issue with Harry said about the number because it has something to do with security or human's lives. He says that one thing is, talking about the number of people killed, distorts the fact that the army is a team game.
Now, I will say, I'm side-eyeing that fact that he called it a game but at the very least. He wasn't just talking to talk, he was baited into it, tried to switch it up but didn't manage to do it.
And some others but I can admit, even I fell for the papers and headlines. He wasn't as...rude/nasty about it as the papers made it sound. Once he realized he was being taken for a ride, he did try and change things but it was too late. Still, he doesn't speak for all vets but I can respect that he feels like Harry shouldn't have said anything because, he wouldn't, in his own personal choice. Just as the American vet said he had 0 issues with Prince Harry saying the number. And all of the other vets who spoke in favor of him but they don't get all of the headlines and buzz.
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RE: TTLK - I have heard that he was / might be dyslexic? On another site, I saw a comment that said Harry stated that himself but I could never find an actual video or quoted article?
That being said, I didn't know that dyslexia could take on that form or it was that wide a range. I never had anyone close to me who had (there are a few kids/adults in my family who have ADD & ADHD but our health concerns tend to run more towards diabetes.) Andrew and Fergie aren't the top 10 people in my list but they do seemed to go to back for their kids. I'm glad that when it came down to it, they did what was best for Beatrice and focused on her needs. I didn't know that. And I agree but the time he was a teen/young adult. There would've been a fair bit of internalized shame and he would've used whatever coping skills he had managed to pick up.
In regards to that, I think his problems, allowed him to even fall into the media narrative of being 'dumb'. For example, in a section, Harry felt like he wasn't smart enough for the French class he placed in. So he begged to be put with the 'slow' talkers but his testing placed him in an advanced class. Still, because the teacher spoke quickly and didn't invest in him as student, he said to himself, "I'm not smart enough for this." His teachers should've come up with a plan to help him, the teacher slows down and instead, they listened to him, placed him with a slow "talkers". He just took that as another sign that he was 'stupid' 'not good enough' 'didn't belong' when his testing showed that he did have some type of
As far as Diana and Charles, I did hear something like Diana had consider getting teachers/sending Harry to America to learn but I don't know how true that was. After Diana's death, I'll say, I think in his own way, Charles tried his best but in the way of a parent, he didn't.
He should've been more involved, a lot of people have said that. That being said, Harry's book gave a lot of humanity and humility that I didn't have for Charles before. I felt (and still do) that he likes the good PR but for me, it's lacking when it his actions need to follow his words. It was great PR and look to walk Meg down the isle, to walk out with Doria but when it came to actually being a father-in-law, a King. He dropped the ball. I don't care how much blow back you might get, when your grandson is called a chimp. As a King, a future head of state of a Commonwealth of over 70% people who look more like Meghan than you, you speak up. When your grand-daughter is being bullied by the media and palace aids because of her name, say something.
And I say that, because, when he had one of his many cash for honors scandals, an article comes out next day about how happy he was to met Lili.
BUT
After reading's Harry's book, learning some of his quirks. I view Charles as much more human...person, a person who is afraid of the media, who wasn't given the tools as a young man to properly do what he needs to do as a parent. Does that absolve him in my eyes? Not really but I it was a weird feeling when I found himself warming to him/finding him charming at some points in the book. I came away with more understanding for what he tried to do.
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RE: Curryong
No problem! Honestly, I've only posted this one but there are a lot of good and balanced review of Spare across a bunch of mediums. Those just don't get posted or don't make the headlines. One reviewer noted how while Harry might have issues with his memory due to trauma (something he states) that because of the trauma he's also a developed a great sense of detail? Like how he's able to remember the visuals and etc. Articles/website that focus on family dynamics and how they relate, those in the army, places that focus on grief and etc. There are a lot of good, nuanced reviews out there.
I can't remember the reviewer but one pointed out (and I agree with) the very sad and complex way he dealt with self-harm, in a sense. He played a sport where he was fine with getting seriously injured because he simply wanted to feel something.
Gordonstoun would've been a great school for him. I think and I agree he shouldn't have been left alone.
Definitely agree with anyone who feels that Gordonstoun would have been the better placement for Harry. Charles should have looked at the experiences that Peter and Zara were having there at his Alma Mater. It wasn't the same institution that he experienced. IMHO with the school's emphasis on team building and outdoor activities, he would have been a fantastic experience for him. Speaking as a former full time teacher, I wish Diana and Charles had considered the well meant advice that Andrew Gailey (William's head of house at Eton) had given to them regarding Harry's future at Eton because it wasn't the right fit for him.
Harry like many people with a learning disability has a normal range of intelligence but has underlying issues that require specialized instruction. The problem with following through with individual education plans though, is that legally teachers are limited as to what they can do for their students unless the parents/guardians agree to have their student assessed and then agree with the plan presented Also I don't believe at that time, Eton was able to offer those services. The school does now, but I'm not sure in the late nineties and early two thousands. From what I have found, British schools didn't even start funding programs for dyslexia until the 1980's and those would have been state schools not the public (aka private) ones that Harry attended. The answer would have been to hire a tutor or find a different school like the Yorks did for Beatrice.
Oh no! Why on Earth was Harry was enrolled in French??? IMHO a terrible choice for someone with dyslexia as there are too many silent consonants at the end of their words. He should have been enrolled in Spanish as it's a far easier language to learn especially in its written form. IMHO there's far more sound/symbol matches between Spanish and English.
Quote from: TLLK on February 24, 2023, 05:42:47 PM
Definitely agree with anyone who feels that Gordonstoun would have been the better placement for Harry. Charles should have looked at the experiences that Peter and Zara were having there at his Alma Mater. It wasn't the same institution that he experienced. IMHO with the school's emphasis on team building and outdoor activities, he would have been a fantastic experience for him. Speaking as a former full time teacher, I wish Diana and Charles had considered the well meant advice that Andrew Gailey (William's head of house at Eton) had given to them regarding Harry's future at Eton because it wasn't the right fit for him.
Harry like many people with a learning disability has a normal range of intelligence but has underlying issues that require specialized instruction. The problem with following through with individual education plans though, is that legally teachers are limited as to what they can do for their students unless the parents/guardians agree to have their student assessed and then agree with the plan presented Also I don't believe at that time, Eton was able to offer those services. The school does now, but I'm not sure in the late nineties and early two thousands. From what I have found, British schools didn't even start funding programs for dyslexia until the 1980's and those would have been state schools not the public (aka private) ones that Harry attended. The answer would have been to hire a tutor or find a different school like the Yorks did for Beatrice.
Oh no! Why on Earth was Harry was enrolled in French??? IMHO a terrible choice for someone with dyslexia as there are too many silent consonants at the end of their words. He should have been enrolled in Spanish as it's a far easier language to learn especially in its written form. IMHO there's far more sound/symbol matches between Spanish and English.
Tbh, I'm not sure. I've never attended a school that had a say uh, placement test? As he described it? The only school I had to do something for was an Art school and I had to audition in my major (vocal at the time and then 'audition' when I wanted to switch to creative writing.
So I don't know if they had a bunch of languages he placed for but whatever the pre-placement test was, he good enough to be placed in an advanced French class. And he said, his issue was that he couldn't keep up with the pace of the teacher so he asked if he could be demoted. The teacher apparently told he could get it and he'd be fine but he didn't have the faith in himself.
So either, he was advanced and just didn't feel smart enough despite how he tested or someone thought it'd look good to have him a more advanced class.
So I don't know if they had a bunch of languages he placed for but whatever the pre-placement test was, he good enough to be placed in an advanced French class. And he said, his issue was that he couldn't keep up with the pace of the teacher so he asked if he could be demoted. The teacher apparently told he could get it and he'd be fine but he didn't have the faith in himself.
So either, he was advanced and just didn't feel smart enough despite how he tested or someone thought it'd look good to have him a more advanced class. End Quote.
Re the anecdote from Change about Harry, which I just copied and posted. As people know, I?ve followed Harry since he was 19, at first because of a young relative and I feeling sorry for him after Diana?s death, then more closely after he was 19, when he appeared to be happy and having great fun.
As we now know, he wasn?t, in all areas of his life anyway. But as regards the quote above, when Harry was in the midst of his training to be a helicopter pilot he came up top of his class after some exam, in both theory and practical. When informed of this by his Air Force tutor he absolutely refused to believe it and in fact became annoyed and angry because he felt it was undeserved and had been given because he was a royal. It took a great deal of convincing by his teacher that he did deserve it and he then accepted it. That was in the US.
As we know because the man was quoted saying so, his instructor in the UK placed him among the top five recruits he had ever taught. So he had a talent for flying. However, as with above anecdote at Eton Harry apparently had little belief in himself. And it appears it goes way back into childhood and the fact that he has apparently always felt second and therefore worthless.
As for Colbert?s questions, if they had been asked years ago when he was single he was very much attached to a blue suit. This was discussed a lot on forums and I remember once saying that the blue suit could attend engagements on its own! I don?t think Harry?s much of a fashionisto! And yes the grey shirt must go!
Quote from: changemhysoul on February 24, 2023, 07:15:49 PM
Tbh, I'm not sure. I've never attended a school that had a say uh, placement test? As he described it? The only school I had to do something for was an Art school and I had to audition in my major (vocal at the time and then 'audition' when I wanted to switch to creative writing.
So I don't know if they had a bunch of languages he placed for but whatever the pre-placement test was, he good enough to be placed in an advanced French class. And he said, his issue was that he couldn't keep up with the pace of the teacher so he asked if he could be demoted. The teacher apparently told he could get it and he'd be fine but he didn't have the faith in himself.
So either, he was advanced and just didn't feel smart enough despite how he tested or someone thought it'd look good to have him a more advanced class.
You can have above average intelligence and still be affected by a learning disability. Harry appears to have an aptitude for practical application and mechanics IMO.
@changemhysoul - Yes Eton like most private schools would require an entrance exam as well as recommendations from your previous school. Even Harry's nephews and niece would very likely to have had to take an assessment prior to entering their schools even at the Reception or Kindergarten level. While he did score well in the French class, I can understand why he was struggling. It's a tricky language to learn especially if you are dyslexic. Like English there are many exceptions to words with their pronunciation, reading, and writing.
@Curryong-Yes! How could I have forgotten the blue suit!! :hehe:
Prince Harry will be doing a live virtual event with Dr. Gabor Mate for Spare. You can purchase tickets here, tickets include a copy of Spare (I'm assuming a signed copy) and you can also purchase Dr. Mate book as well. Once you purchase a ticket, you can also submit a question that will be answered during a Q&A section.
As for Dr. Mate "Gabor Mat? CM (born January 6, 1944) is a Hungarian-Canadian physician and author. He has a background in family practice and a special interest in childhood development, trauma, and potential lifelong impacts on physical and mental health including autoimmune disease, cancer, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), addictions and a wide range of other conditions." per his wiki.
Spare by Prince Harry - Prince Harry Memoir (https://princeharrymemoir.com/events)
*Questions will be vetted...*
Yeah, I assumed people would assume that.
There would be no way, that any and all questions would just get through. That's why you have to submit the question when you purchase a ticket and not just freely during the event.
Which I'm quite happy about, I wouldn't want any questions from the RR. They got into Harry's BetterUp video conference last year and Sarah Vine went to the Ripple of Hope awards and then wrote an article in which she grew more and more upset because people didn't hate Harry and Meghan as she wished. That's strange behavior, it needs to be vetted.
Yes, exactly. I?m glad that questions will be vetted. It?s well known what the media is like. You can almost see and hear some of these RRs and other observers, hello there Vine, Patell, Levin, Wootton, Bower, etc standing in a self-congratulatory bunch whipping themselves and everybody else up in a mass of loathing of the Sussexes. Dan Wootton and co interview each other on sites like GB News (a failing streaming service) and think they are speaking for millions. In reality they aren?t. And really in reality few care. The book has been selling massively all over the world, something none of them expected and they are confounded by it. Harry has outsold Levin and Bower and Low.
Yes that is a very good thing and I hope he sells more as that way he will never have to ask the Bank of Dad for money as finally he can support himself and maybe pay back all that money dad gave him when he left the Firm and Family to become financially free.
Quote from: Nightowl on February 26, 2023, 03:11:48 AM
Yes that is a very good thing and I hope he sells more as that way he will never have to ask the Bank of Dad for money as finally he can support himself and maybe pay back all that money dad gave him when he left the Firm and Family to become financially free.
Charles paid Harry and Meghan ?a substantial sum? in yearly allowance paid in April, up to the summer of 2020. We don?t know how much because it was never detailed. However the then Cambridges and Sussexes shared 4.5. million pounds for the yearly allowance of 2019-2020.
And it was noted in the July statement of that year that the Sussexes had paid back the millions that the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage cost (Sovereign Fund money in fact), plus 18 months rent (even though the house had supposedly been given to the couple by the Queen as a wedding present.) The media had howled about the expense of FC for two years, even though they knew it was Sovereign Grant money, and after it was paid off their complaints were no longer valid.
The couple also paid back the taxpayer ?2.4m for back rent accrued when they lived at Frogmore Cottage in Windsor.
And a CH spokesman noted that the couple were financially independent from the receipt of that above payment of a share of 4.5 million. .
They received no further money from Charles after the summer of 2020, so the Cambridges got it all. And continued to get an allowance until the Queen died and William inherited the Duchy of Cornwall money in the next quarter. Gee I hope he paid back the allowance he?d received in the previous April. And The Cambridges lived off the Bank of Dad for much longer than the Sussexes did. From the Spring of 2011 to the autumn of 2022 in fact.
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Can't fault William for he inherited the title of Prince of Wales, he did not go out and ask for it. Maybe if Harry had any brains and wasn't so jealous of William being first born and has stayed in the family his growth in life would of been more fulfilled than it is. Harry really does not look like a happy camper to me from all the pictures that I have seen, so Kissing the bottoms of Hollywood to make money and keep their lifestyle will rub off on him and the smell will keep many way from him as they know he can NOT ever be trusted. If that is how he wants to earn a living so be it, let him. After all what he has said and done will have consequences in life sooner than later.
Have I missed any photos because from the video and photos of Harry recently, he looks quite happy and is seeing his life-long friends.
I'm also glad Harry has his own money, I think the lot of them should have their own money. One should never let someone else hold their purse strings because you become beholden to the person with the money and they can treat you as they see fit. But we do agree that I hope he continues to sell more and make more and take care of his family, as he should because when he got married, he made those vows to her.
Let's not also forget the payback for a supposed gift, helped become a bit of a windfall for the Crown and that money supplemented them. Also, while Harry never to become the Prince of Williams, you can't fault Harry either. It's not as if Harry begged to become a Prince and be taken care of by daddy.
I still fail to see how they're kissing the bottoms of Hollywood when they barely do anything but their projects, they're not the ones that often court American celeb's, stars and all of the glittz and glamour, The Royals have been doing that before Meghan arrived.
And we do agree that we both hope he stays away, I hope he never shares any personal development of his kids with them or anything of his life going forward because the family can't be trusted. Constantly leaking, it's said that they can't control or stop it and if that's the case, Harry doesn't need to share another thing with them.
On the topic of selling money though and Spare sells.
Spare as also reached it's 6th week at being on top of the Canadian book charts. Like I said, selling is one thing but having staying power is another. I've also seen some pictures online of various people getting together and doing book club with snacks or out at a breakfast.
Quote from: changemhysoul on February 26, 2023, 02:28:09 PM
And we do agree that we both hope he stays away, I hope he never shares any personal development of his kids with them or anything of his life going forward because the family can't be trusted. Constantly leaking, it's said that they can't control or stop it and if that's the case, Harry doesn't need to share another thing with them.
I would agree with this if Harry wasn?t the one constantly talking about their personal lives to the media. The only person I?ve heard talking about somebody else?s kids publicly is Harry talking about the dangers William?s children are in even though William specifically asked him to please not make comments about his children?s upbringing as they are not his responsibility. Harry has his own boundaries about his children that are perfectly valid and understandable, but he doesn?t seem to accept and respect the fact that William also has his boundaries that are valid. That?s the type of cognitive dissonance that shows Harry?s lack of emotional maturity, in my opinion. He recognizes his own desires and feelings, but does not seem to want to try to understand the other person?s if they conflict with his own desires.
I think Harry still has a lot of underlying resentment from his youth. I empathize because I don?t think I?ve met a single person who doesn?t have some childhood trauma (maybe that says a lot about who I?m around lol). Childhood can be so scary. We have no control and for those of us who were not lucky enough to be taught how to understand and regulate our emotions, it can be even scarier.
Because of that fear, we can turn to the easy but not so helpful coping mechanisms (drugs, alcohol, taking our anger out on others). I recognize that part of Harry in myself. But where I veer from his story is that I believe that once we become adults, we do not have to revert back to those frightened, powerless children. We can make our own choices and we do not have to hold onto that anger that keeps causing us pain.
I hope this talk with this doctor and more of Harry?s engagements focus on that part. The part where we let go of the resentment. The part where we can even forgive and have empathy for the people we believe wronged us. We can try to understand that maybe they, too, have anger and fear within them that they?ve yet to truly understand and deal with.
Childhood trauma is real and it can affect anyone, even a prince. But using that trauma as an excuse to say hurtful things to others or make yourself out to be a victim shows a lack of growth, in my opinion. That doesn?t mean he can?t one day achieve those feelings of contentment that come with truly accepting reality for what it is. I hope he can move toward that path, not for the sake of the RF, but for his own.
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I would agree with this if Harry wasn?t the one constantly talking about their personal lives to the media. The only person I?ve heard talking about somebody else?s kids publicly is Harry talking about the dangers William?s children are in even though William specifically asked him to please not make comments about his children?s upbringing as they are not his responsibility. Harry has his own boundaries about his children that are perfectly valid and understandable, but he doesn?t seem to accept and respect the fact that William also has his boundaries that are valid. That?s the type of cognitive dissonance that shows Harry?s lack of emotional maturity, in my opinion. He recognizes his own desires and feelings, but does not seem to want to try to understand the other person?s if they conflict with his own desires.
@HistoryGirl2 - Speaking as one myself, I believe that most parents do not want their relatives publicly commenting to the media as to how they are being raised. It doesn't matter if they're private citizens or public figures, if the parent(s) have made it clear to you that they don't wish for your advice then you need to step back and let the subject go.
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QuoteBut as I know, full well, within my family, if it?s not us [points at chest], it?s going to be someone else. And though William and I have talked about it, once or twice, and he has made it very clear to me that his kids are not my responsibility, I still feel a responsibility. I know that out of those three children, at least one will end up like me, the spare. And that hurts, it worries me.
I'm sorry but Prince Harry was wrong to even bring this information to the public. It was made "very clear" to him that it's not his responsibility. Honestly I doubt that either Harry or Meghan would appreciate anyone in the BRF speaking publicly about Archie and Lilibet in this manner.
I have to agree that Prince Harry doesn't seem to comprehend that other people including those in his family have their own thoughts and feelings.
Does anyone think that perhaps Harry is doing this on purpose just to get back at William for whatever reason. He knows as he has been told by William not to mention his children yet he keeps doing it so there is no excuse. Just like saying in interviews that he wants Charles and William both to apologize to Meghan and then to him for how they treated her or for whatever reason he think will work, he knows how the royal family/Firm operates and that an apology will never be forth coming so again he does things just to spike trouble, create drama and stir the pot to purposely cause hurt and pain in the royal family, just his way of keeping him reverent in the news and in the family so they won't forget him.
Whatever happened to Harry just boggles the mind as we have all seen him when he was young and daring and deeply loved by all in the family or was he just acting like an actor on a stage for everyone. If it was just an act then he surely deserves an Oscar for he fooled everyone, mostly the family he was born into. The ending of this is not going to be pretty at all, yet he is an adult and responsible for his own actions and decisions even in the words he wrote and said.
Quote from: Nightowl on February 27, 2023, 10:37:51 AM
Does anyone think that perhaps Harry is doing this on purpose just to get back at William for whatever reason. He knows as he has been told by William not to mention his children yet he keeps doing it so there is no excuse. Just like saying in interviews that he wants Charles and William both to apologize to Meghan and then to him for how they treated her or for whatever reason he think will work, he knows how the royal family/Firm operates and that an apology will never be forth coming so again he does things just to spike trouble, create drama and stir the pot to purposely cause hurt and pain in the royal family, just his way of keeping him reverent in the news and in the family so they won't forget him.
Whatever happened to Harry just boggles the mind as we have all seen him when he was young and daring and deeply loved by all in the family or was he just acting like an actor on a stage for everyone. If it was just an act then he surely deserves an Oscar for he fooled everyone, mostly the family he was born into. The ending of this is not going to be pretty at all, yet he is an adult and responsible for his own actions and decisions even in the words he wrote and said.
I doubt if his family was fooled, but they probably hoped that he woudl outgrow his difficult nature and sympathised iwth the fact that he had lost his mother so young. but it seems clear to me that he has had a grievance against William most of his life, going back to his idea that Diana and CHarles had had him so that they would have spare parts for William. That really shows that he has always had a grudge because he was the second son, and knew that he would never have the privileges of the heir, so he's worked up this big thing against WIlliam who can hardly help being the older son. William had a bigger room than him, William got an extra sausage etc etc.. I wonder if he knows that most of this stuff isn't true or if he's made himself believe it.
Quote from: changemhysoul on February 25, 2023, 07:00:57 PM
Prince Harry will be doing a live virtual event with Dr. Gabor Mate for Spare. You can purchase tickets here, tickets include a copy of Spare (I'm assuming a signed copy) and you can also purchase Dr. Mate book as well. Once you purchase a ticket, you can also submit a question that will be answered during a Q&A section.
As for Dr. Mate "Gabor Mat? CM (born January 6, 1944) is a Hungarian-Canadian physician and author. He has a background in family practice and a special interest in childhood development, trauma, and potential lifelong impacts on physical and mental health including autoimmune disease, cancer, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), addictions and a wide range of other conditions." per his wiki.
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@changemhysoul. Looks like it will be $33.09 for US viewers. Canadians will be paying $45.00 and in the UK about 19 pounds.
@Nightowl, there might be some type of needling going on, but really, I think it?s just based on Harry?s own projection about how much he resents not being the heir.
I think it?s impossible for him to conceive that Charlotte and Louis might actually be supportive of George rather than envious of what he supposedly has that?s ?better? than them.
As for his previous image, I think that was crafted by palace PR. A person isn?t just this angry and resentful because of one thing, this is a lifetime of grievances that he?s levying and it?s all exploded at once.
Spare tops the UK Sunday Times best seller week for it's 6th week.
I'm wondering when it'll fall off because I expected three weeks max.
And apparently, Jill Biden has finished reading Spare.
That particular Doctor approves psychedelic drug taking.
So he is very relatable with Harry 🍄
Quote from: changemhysoul on February 27, 2023, 07:31:31 PM
Spare tops the UK Sunday Times best seller week for it's 6th week.
I'm wondering when it'll fall off because I expected three weeks max.
And apparently, Jill Biden has finished reading Spare.
So much for the stupid Daily Express poll that declared in January that ?most Britons won?t bother to read Harry?s book?. In other words, we (the tabloids) are expecting a flop so we can all gloat.
Well, it didn?t happen and a considerable number of journalists and commentators have had egg on their faces about Spare for the last six weeks and more. So they?re cheering themselves up with carrying on about how now everybody is laughing about the Sussexes because of South Park, and writing articles about how the couple are going to be snubbed by all at the Coronation! Absolutely pathetic! .
Quote from: wannable on February 27, 2023, 09:01:08 PM
That particular Doctor approves psychedelic drug taking.
So he is very relatable with Harry 🍄
Without going too far into this, there are studies that show that some psychedelic drugs can help with clinical depression if the individual is resistant to other treatment. I can?t speak for recreational use, of course, and if used to mask problems that are making the person unhappy, it can definitely be more harmful than helpful.
I do hope this talk focuses on mental health because if so, that?s quite beneficial to a lot of people that may be struggling. In particular, avoidance and lack of acceptance of traumatic events that I think harmed Harry throughout his life.
Quote from: Curryong on February 27, 2023, 09:33:57 PM
So much for the stupid Daily Express poll that declared in January that ?most Britons won?t bother to read Harry?s book?. In other words, we (the tabloids) are expecting a flop so we can all gloat.
Well, it didn?t happen and a considerable number of journalists and commentators have had egg on their faces about Spare for the last six weeks and more. So they?re cheering themselves up with carrying on about how now everybody is laughing about the Sussexes because of South Park, and writing articles about how the couple are going to be snubbed by all at the Coronation! Absolutely pathetic! .
Agree.
While I don't think any of them seriously thought that Spare would flop (I hope not at least), they didn't expect it to do this good. And the Sussex's aren't being hated and shunned as they want so...good luck to them I guess.
I will say, even I am shocked by how well it's doing. I knew it was always going to well but...exceeding what I thought.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on February 27, 2023, 09:57:24 PM
Without going too far into this, there are studies that show that some psychedelic drugs can help with clinical depression if the individual is resistant to other treatment. I can?t speak for recreational use, of course, and if used to mask problems that are making the person unhappy, it can definitely be more harmful than helpful.
I do hope this talk focuses on mental health because if so, that?s quite beneficial to a lot of people that may be struggling. In particular, avoidance and lack of acceptance of traumatic events that I think harmed Harry throughout his life.
He is not a clinical practitioner nor can he take patients. He can talk limited.
I posted this weeks ago. The Australian Govt is the first in the world to approve certain psychedelic drugs in the treatment of patients with depression or those vets who are suffering PTSD. Our medical fraternity is very conservative. This legislation would have jumped through dozens of hoops to be even allowed to be tested. They have now decided that it is a perfectly legitimate and helpful form of treatment for suitable patients.
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Quote from: wannable on February 27, 2023, 10:24:46 PM
He is not a clinical practitioner nor can he take patients. He can talk limited.
I?ve never read his books, so I can?t say for sure, but he does focus on PTSD and trauma, and as a physician, I?d expect him to know current practices in dealing with these types of mood disorders.
Quote from: Curryong on February 27, 2023, 10:42:49 PM
I posted this weeks ago. The Australian Govt is the first in the world to approve certain psychedelic drugs in the treatment of patients with depression or those vets who are suffering PTSD. Our medical fraternity is very conservative. This legislation would have jumped through dozens of hoops to be even allowed to be tested. They have now decided that it is a perfectly legitimate and helpful form of treatment for suitable patients.
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I?m happy to read this. With proper guidance and therapy, psychedelic drugs have been known to help mental disorders, specifically major depression. I say anything that can help people not suffer should be supported.
Quote from: changemhysoul on February 27, 2023, 10:15:47 PM
Agree.
While I don't think any of them seriously thought that Spare would flop (I hope not at least), they didn't expect it to do this good. And the Sussex's aren't being hated and shunned as they want so...good luck to them I guess.
I will say, even I am shocked by how well it's doing. I knew it was always going to well but...exceeding what I thought.
really? The fact that its selling pretty well does not mean that people approve of the writer
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on February 28, 2023, 12:57:40 AM
I?ve never read his books, so I can?t say for sure, but he does focus on PTSD and trauma, and as a physician, I?d expect him to know current practices in dealing with these types of mood disorders.
I?m happy to read this. With proper guidance and therapy, psychedelic drugs have been known to help mental disorders, specifically major depression. I say anything that can help people not suffer should be supported.
I'd be very dubious, It seems to me that Harry has been using drugs for a long time and that it has exacerbated his own tendency to be suspicous and paranoic... to add more drugs even under medical supervision does not seem a good idea
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on February 27, 2023, 09:57:24 PM
Without going too far into this, there are studies that show that some psychedelic drugs can help with clinical depression if the individual is resistant to other treatment. I can?t speak for recreational use, of course, and if used to mask problems that are making the person unhappy, it can definitely be more harmful than helpful.
I do hope this talk focuses on mental health because if so, that?s quite beneficial to a lot of people that may be struggling. In particular, avoidance and lack of acceptance of traumatic events that I think harmed Harry throughout his life.
Harry seems to have been in therapy for many years, but he's still drinking and using drugs which IMO are likely to affect him. There are people who can drink and take soft drugs witout its having too much of an effect on them but in Harry's case I I think its self medication and it doesn't seem to be doing him much good.
That?s something that only a close family member or friend would be able to tell about him, so I can?t really comment on the state of drug use in the present. If I?m not mistaken, by his own admission, he did use drugs to mask his pain and discomfort in the past. That is definitely not healthy in any way. There?s drug use and drug abuse. Where he is in the present with that, I?m not sure, but psychedelic drugs aren?t bad in and of themselves.
Quote from: Amabel2 on February 28, 2023, 08:49:59 AM
really? The fact that its selling pretty well does not mean that people approve of the writer
It?s a mixed bag because there will always be supporters, but I do think the book harmed his popularity more than helped. Not sure if that bothers him or not though because he seems to be laughing all the way to the bank. That?s really what this book was about. He has an expensive lifestyle to uphold and it requires he do things like this.
The numbers don?t shock me in the least. Gossip always sells and it most certainly sells when it?s about the BRF.
As someone who has health problems, Im very wary of drugs. Even when tehy work there are side effects, and mind altering drugs are even more of a problem. It seems from what H has said, that he was a fairly heavy user of drink and illicit drugs in the past, and even in recent years, when he had a happy marriage and a baby, he was still smoking weed at least. and today's weed is a lot stronger than what was around when I was a young student, and can be a lot more damaging to the brain. So If I were a doctor I would not wat to prescribe drugs for Harry beyond what was really necessary. He seems paranoid and that can be an effect of long term use of illicit drugs. Alcohol fuels anger and he still seems very angry.
as for the sale of the book, is his lifestyle such that he really needs to air all the family's problems and all the things aobut his own life that most people keep private? How much money does he really need?
Quote from: Amabel2 on February 28, 2023, 01:28:46 PM
As someone who has health problems, Im very wary of drugs. Even when tehy work there are side effects, and mind altering drugs are even more of a problem. It seems from what H has said, that he was a fairly heavy user of drink and illicit drugs in the past, and even in recent years, when he had a happy marriage and a baby, he was still smoking weed at least. and today's weed is a lot stronger than what was around when I was a young student, and can be a lot more damaging to the brain. So If I were a doctor I would not wat to prescribe drugs for Harry beyond what was really necessary. He seems paranoid and that can be an effect of long term use of illicit drugs. Alcohol fuels anger and he still seems very angry.
as for the sale of the book, is his lifestyle such that he really needs to air all the family's problems and all the things aobut his own life that most people keep private? How much money does he really need?
As I understand, Prince Harry signed a four book deal in 2021 with his publisher Penguin. He's written
Spare. That leave three more books to be written, so I'd expect that more is coming from him. Reportedly one of the books will be about the Invictus Games. Some of the money earned from the sales will be donated to two his charities ie: Sentebale and Well Child.
QuotePrince Harry is supporting British charities with donations from the book's proceeds, according to its description. It states: "The Duke of Sussex has donated $1,500,000 to Sentebale, an organisation he founded with Prince Seeiso in their mothers' legacies, which supports vulnerable children and young people in Lesotho and Botswana affected by HIV/AIDS.
"Prince Harry will also donate to the non-profit organisation WellChild in the amount of ?300,000. WellChild, which he has been Royal patron of for fifteen years, makes it possible for children and young people with complex health needs to be cared for at home instead of hospital, wherever possible."
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QuoteET has learned that Prince Harry has a four-book deal with Penguin Random House worth $35 to $40 million. The royal first announced the publishing contract in July 2021.
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do the charities really want money that earned from a tacky tell all book? I Suppose they do.
Sentebale and Well Child have been long associated with and supported by Prince Harry so I believe that they'll be happy to receive funding from Spare.
Charities don?t really have the ability to be uppity about what money they will or won?t take. As for the money he keeps, it?s not really about needing in general, it?s about needing it for the lifestyle he and his wife wish to have. Living in Montecito is not cheap.
That's my point. Why does Harry, who seems to be claiming a leaning to the left wing, need so much money to lead this lifestyle in the US? He inherited a lot of money from Diana, according to Meg's fans she made a lot of money during her acting career (I dont really believe that but that's what is said) and if H really wanted a private life, as he's claimed, he surely had enough to buy a house in the US, somewhere quiet, where he could lead a private life, rear his kids, and do a bit of hands on charity work. surely he does not need to sell out his family, and give us all the gory details about his own private sex life etc, in order to acquire the money to pay for the lifestyle he wants?
Quote from: Amabel2 on February 28, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
That's my point. Why does Harry, who seems to be claiming a leaning to the left wing, need so much money to lead this lifestyle in the US? He inherited a lot of money from Diana, according to Meg's fans she made a lot of money during her acting career (I dont really believe that but that's what is said) and if H really wanted a private life, as he's claimed, he surely had enough to buy a house in the US, somewhere quiet, where he could lead a private life, rear his kids, and do a bit of hands on charity work. surely he does not need to sell out his family, and give us all the gory details about his own private sex life etc, in order to acquire the money to pay for the lifestyle he wants?
I do agree that there were some unnecessary details in Spare regarding his body parts, his sex life and private family conversations and interactions which don't really leave me with a favorable impression of the "man he has become."
However one of the great expenses that the Sussexes now have to fund for themselves is round the clock security, so I expect that Spare and any other books from the deal he's made will be providing their necessary income to cover that cost. The couple could consider moving to a smaller property instead of their current home in very pricey Montecitio. Eventually they will need to pay for their children's school tuition which is likely to be more expensive than the pre-school that Archie currently attends.
Agreed,
@TLLK. Additionally, it?s entirely his prerogative to spend and make his money as he sees fit. He?s off public coffers, so he can do whatever he wants.
I?d like to believe I could never be so crass and tacky, but Harry is a grown man who can make his own choices.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on February 28, 2023, 09:09:28 PM
Agreed, @TLLK. Additionally, it?s entirely his prerogative to spend and make his money as he sees fit. He?s off public coffers, so he can do whatever he wants.
I?d like to believe I could never be so crass and tacky, but Harry is a grown man who can make his own choices.
Agreed
@HistoryGirl2 -Likewise anyone who is deciding whether or not to purchase one of Prince Harry's future books, will now know what was covered and shared in
Spare. Therefore they themselves can make their own choices if it's something they believe is worth buying.
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Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on February 28, 2023, 09:09:28 PM
Agreed, @TLLK. Additionally, it?s entirely his prerogative to spend and make his money as he sees fit. He?s off public coffers, so he can do whatever he wants.
I?d like to believe I could never be so crass and tacky, but Harry is a grown man who can make his own choices.
well obviously he could not write a book like this, if he were still a working royal. and yes he can do whatever he wants, but what he is doing, is making himself look nasty, and talking about his family, in a way that is likely to diminish them, even if a lot of what he says is not true.
In the eyes of many people, you?re right. He?s not come off well. In the eyes of others, he?s a hero. I like what
@TLLK said about people having so much information about this book prior to its release. I actually really appreciated that. Hearing Harry speak about the stories included saved me from wasting my time because, in my opinion, he?s engaging in the new fad: professional victimhood.
To others, his stories arise feelings of sympathy that only increase their esteem of him in their eyes.
He?s really left it up to you to decide. I agree with you, I think the stories he told actually make him out to be immature, bratty, and spoiled; criticizing the privilege of royals whilst basking and making a good buck off of it. But not everyone agrees with us and certainly his publishers don?t care whether we do or not because it makes money.
I?m fascinated by it all because 1) I?m not a citizen of the UK and 2) I don?t have any personal affiliation or affection for any of these people. That means I can just watch from afar and see what it does to the monarchy, without much in the way of stakes. My name is fitting; the BRF has survived many scandals and critical moments dating back to its inception. Sometimes those have led to changes and reforms. I?m interested to see how this scandal affects them, if at all.
of course the publishers dont care, but IMO Harry is getting away with his lies and nastiness because the RF dont usually engage in arguments with anyone who writes a book or does a show about them. And while many people will just be disgusted with the way he has shown himself up, others will believe a lot of what's said and have a poor opinion of the RF as a whole.. and particularly William who came in for a lot of fire from H.
A couple of years ago, I wondered how he would make money, and visualised him selling toasters on the SHopping Channels, but I didnt really think that he would use his family background to savage his relatives and air dirty laundry. If he were selling something, it would be a lot more honest than what he's doing.. but clearly that's what he and Meg always intended to do.
When he made the announcement, I envisioned him living in a far off estate away from the public eye. But that was based entirely on the erroneous information that he craved privacy and just wanted to raise his children away from the glare of the media. I was ignorant of how much he resented his family and his own perceived lack of privileges.
Only he knew what he really wanted to do with his life. He wants to be a star. He wants to follow in the footsteps of his mother and be a media darling who?s adored around the globe as a humanitarian icon.
This is all a part of that. Diana writes a tell all book. He writes a tell all book. Diana feared for her life because of paparazzi and saw conspiracies from the RF to undermine her. He sees and interprets the same thing. I think he sees himself as the 21st century Diana.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on March 01, 2023, 05:16:32 PM
When he made the announcement, I envisioned him living in a far off estate away from the public eye. But that was based entirely on the erroneous information that he craved privacy and just wanted to raise his children away from the glare of the media. I was ignorant of how much he resented his family and his own perceived lack of privileges.
Only he knew what he really wanted to do with his life. He wants to be a star. He wants to follow in the footsteps of his mother and be a media darling who?s adored around the globe as a humanitarian icon.
This is all a part of that. Diana writes a tell all book. He writes a tell all book. Diana feared for her life because of paparazzi and saw conspiracies from the RF to undermine her. He sees and interprets the same thing. I think he sees himself as the 21st century Diana.
Um I never did. I always thought the claim they wanted to get away and live a private life away from the clicking cameras was not true.. It was always about money IMO.. and also fame. Even so I agree I didnt realise, Im sure most people didnt, that he really had a big big grudge about being second son,
But I thought that he wanted to live in sunny California, mix with movie stars and make money... not be the Prince who did boring jobs like opening a school or travelling to a poor part of Africa and not getting enough notice for it.
Perhaps the only way he could make the amount of money that he seems to need was by writing a tell all book, and he enjoyed doing it into the bargain.
Diana didn't write a book, I think that a woman of her generation would not do such a thing but she did tear away the veil over her marriage and Royal life and opened things up too much. And I think that she too wanted a more glamourous life than living in London, doing a few engagements in the UK and not having the same support for her work that she got as Princess of Wales, she too wanted to live abroad and travel to sunshiny places and be admired rather than tolerated as she was at KP.
I started to suspect* about their intentions June 2018, 15 days after marrying when Delaware registrations were posted in social media. I thought it was someone wanting to make a joke and taint the couple, but it's all theirs, from suspecting to realization. Red flag ⛳
If the media had taken hold of that rather than let it sit for Tom Bower with footnotes, date/time/who/what/where, I'm almost sure the public would have had an outcry with the Queen spending GBP30M for that wedding, and 18 months of troubles (and ongoing oversees).
^She collaborated with Andrew Morton in writing that book, to the point of having taped interviews, and revealed a lot of personal information about her life and marriage that caused a great deal of embarrassment to the RF.
I actually see a smidgen of comparison between her and Harry because I do think she loved glitz and glamour and loved being adored by the media?not so much when it was negative.
However, her book was met with more sympathy than Harry?s because she was treated quite poorly by Charles and I think people could commiserate with her about having zero training for her job and she did a great job with the public.
The same storyline was tried with Meghan (that nobody cared to prepare her for engagements, she had no idea how to do anything and the palace didn?t care because all they cared about was the heir). That has now proven to be false as palace staff did extensive research and work into compiling information for her and she had a supportive husband that had been a prince since birth, so presumably, if she had a question that wasn?t answered in her briefs, she could just ask him.
I?m looking at storylines that have been created and I see a lot of similarities between that of Harry and Meghan and Diana. I don?t know if it?s a marketing tactic they?re trying out for good PR or because Harry has Diana?s storyline imprinted on his mind and it?s just his frame of reference for anything and everything.
Diana didn't do that book for money, though. She wanted to put out her story, but she didn't use the tale to earn more cash for herself.
And people were more sympathetic because she was in an unhappy marriage, though it wasn't all Charles' fault.. and she was only a girl when she entered the RF. However a lot of Diana her TS wasnt all that truthful, and she did get a reasonable amount of help when she entered the RF...
but Harry's grudges are foolish and I'd say most British poeple can see them as such, and Meghan's attempts to copy Diana's narrative, saying that she was a naive girl when she married H and didn't get any support when she married him are plainly false.
That could be part of it, and also the fact that his mother actually did a lot of work for the RF before she helped Morton write that book, whereas they started complaining from the get go.
And maybe times have changed, who knows? I can only speak personally, but a lot just doesn?t ring true to me (on top of the obvious things that have been proven to be false). It?s a lot harder to believe that such an intelligent woman that?s worked in Hollywood, has had multiple relationships, has traveled around the world and was pushing 40 was that naive. I just didn?t buy it.
But narratives can be so easily constructed and people can fall for them pretty easily. It?s what makes the RF so popular. Even I stand amazed at the narrative that they managed to build for Harry prior to marriage. I never bought into it because I don?t really care for the ?bad boy? with the heart of gold storyline, but even I didn?t think he was such an angry person.
It?s also a lesson in how little we actually know about these people, and I think they like that just fine. Royalty was always meant to be a mirage, finding out what?s behind the curtain is always going to be a disappointment.
Harry never said that he was stepping back as a public figure and they never asked for privacy when leaving.
All Harry wanted was help from his family, for them to at least say something knowing his wife and him were getting death threats, threats equal to that of the Queen. As the former of head of the counter terrorism stated. Instead, his family chose to go to the media about his private information or allowed their staff to do it and didn't stop the staff or welcome them back. Like, Camilla re-hiring her staff member who leaked the meeting with William or Charles letting Dan Wotton of The Sun find out about Harry's plans to leave.
And as he detailed in the book, when they were suppose to be under a one year review but security was pulled early, a clear a message to Harry that we don't care about you nor do we care about the lives of your family. The book reminded me that the family puts something like "waity katie." or rude names for Camilla on the same level of racism, abuse and xenophobia. A family that will deny rumors of botox and hair extensions. A family that from the head to the second most important to the third most important will say nothing when a so called "much loved" member is portrayed not just in a funny way a la the tv the Windsor's but a dark skinned black woman wielding a knife. They also care about how it looks, say, there have been 0 reports saying William didn't put his hands on Harry. Just reports that they're more upset that Harry told that his brother actually put hands on him or they're trying to frame it as fight between two brothers, when it's anything but.
It's so striking when reading Spare that, from a boy to a teen to a young man to adult man, Harry has been pleading for his family to show him he cared. But no, they'd rather sit back and let a climate of hate fester or actively work with those contributing to it.
So, no, he wasn't seeking celebrity. What he was seeking was a family that when he's getting death threats for being a race traitor, that they'd understand this was a little bit bigger than their egos. His father was willing to take the hit when it came to making sure he married his mistress, to talk about how awful his mother was, to wade into politics and etc but he was never willing to take the hit for his son. When it came to things that mattered like life and death.
I did have some understanding feelings towards Charles after but with the recent thing (protecting pedo loving brother over his own son) I realize that only a son, Harry, could give that man any type of grace.
Also, Spare reaches it's 7th week at the top of the New York bestsellers list. I'm sure current events will spike another boost in the sells.
For a family that become and complain about the Sussex's, how much attention they get, and how much their palace aids, palace sources and friends of the family say that they wish the Sussex's or Sussex related stuff would just blow over and calm down. When they need to cover something, they're always quick to give the media stories about the Sussex's.
If Spare manages to stay at the top of the list for the whole of March, I expect a Grammy nom. I don't think he'll get it but at the very least, a nomination.
In happier news, it's world book day and little kids dressed as harry:
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Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on March 02, 2023, 12:18:11 PM
That could be part of it, and also the fact that his mother actually did a lot of work for the RF before she helped Morton write that book, whereas they started complaining from the get go.
And maybe times have changed, who knows? I can only speak personally, but a lot just doesn?t ring true to me (on top of the obvious things that have been proven to be false). It?s a lot harder to believe that such an intelligent woman that?s worked in Hollywood, has had multiple relationships, has traveled around the world and was pushing 40 was that naive. I just didn?t buy it.
But narratives can be so easily constructed and people can fall for them pretty easily. It?s what makes the RF so popular. Even I stand amazed at the narrative that they managed to build for Harry prior to marriage. I never bought into it because I don?t really care for the ?bad boy? with the heart of gold storyline, but even I didn?t think he was such an angry person.
It?s also a lesson in how little we actually know about these people, and I think they like that just fine. Royalty was always meant to be a mirage, finding out what?s behind the curtain is always going to be a disappointment.
IMHO the Sussexes have shown themselves to be their own worst enemies. Their contradicting statements during the Oprah interview over the alleged remarks regarding Archie. Late Meghan's interview with The Cut, and then a very different one with Variety. Finally Harry's revelations in Spare have really shown how much time and effort his palace team ie Edward Lane Fox dedicated into creating the image of a cheerful and fun/cheeky man. Harry's lifted the curtain on that and honestly it's rather unpleasant to read his words.
Harry has shared that it was his family members in particular William who encouraged him to seek treatment for his mental health. Unfortunately for Harry, I'm still not convinced that he's successfully found peace of mind yet. I hope that he does one day.
^ Oh, not in the least. As long as the focus remains on, ?What I *don?t* have,? as opposed to being grateful for the many, many wonderful things that he has on his life, he?ll never find peace.
Slightly tangential but kind of on topic, I was listening to an interview with Pamela Anderson because she?s got a new memoir out. I gotta admit, never really did follow her career because it wasn?t my cup of tea, but like everyone, I knew of her. And wow. Talk about someone who was trashed up and down by the media. Holy cow. She is nothing at all like she was always portrayed.
Now, you might expect her to talk about how unfair her life is and how awful everything is because even though she made quite a lot of money for everyone else, she didn?t make much of it herself. Her most private moments were used to demean, mock, and belittle her as a person.
With the current culture, I thought, ?Here we go; another pity party.? But no. She tells her story exactly as she saw it, but is not bitter in the least. She is understanding of those who failed her as a child, even when she was sexually assaulted. She is grateful for everything she experienced and the family she currently has. After watching that interview, I thought, ?Now, that is someone who has found peace with who they are and knows exactly who she is and isn?t.?
I found it so admirable. It?s what I aspire to be. It?s hard work. I can see why the other path is taken though. Wanting people to feel sorry for you comes out of desiring attention. I think Harry has been starved for attention since he was a child. I think his mother dying is probably the tipping point in that. It?s a sort of arrested development. Staying at the level of a child who wants to be seen and heard at all times. Envious when others receive the attention he feels he deserves.
I would have thought that gaining a family might have tampered down that need, but it seems to have expanded to include slights (real or imagined) to his entire family.
All this rambling to say, it?s really important to know who you are and aren?t in life. It?s important to know whose opinion you truly value. That doesn?t mean that it won?t hurt to hear others say negative things about you, but don?t give them more credence than they?re worth. The Obamas are also good at that. So classy. Imagine if they spent their entire days on Twitter looking at what user2452847 posted about them yesterday. Phew. What a way to waste your life. They?ve managed to take all that hate and use it as fuel to remind themselves that their projects matter, as there?s still a lot of work to be done.
Quote from: TLLK on March 02, 2023, 02:36:31 PM
I Lane Fox dedicated into creating the image of a cheerful and fun/cheeky man. Harry's lifted the curtain on that and honestly it's rather unpleasant to read his words.
Harry has shared that it was his family members in particular William who encouraged him to seek treatment for his mental health. Unfortunately for Harry, I'm still not convinced that he's successfully found peace of mind yet. I hope that he does one day.
Im sure that the RF who knew Harry well were wary of his exploding some day, but even so I think that the actual explosion when it took place was much more dramatic and unpleasant and explosive thatn they had expected. Harry clearly needed therapy, but therapy doesn't always do much good, and I think that Harry's always resisted really trying to chnage, to get off the drugs and booze etc.
Im sure that it was William who initally persuaded H to get counselling, but I suspect it took years, and that it didn't really do a lot of good. AND I gather that Harry later gave the creidt for getting him to have therapy to Meghan....
The photos Change has posted of the little kids all dressed up as Prince Harry for World Book Day are some of the cutest I?ve ever seen. Thanks for posting them. They were a highlight for me this morning. I hope Harry does manage to get a Grammy nom. It will be a bit of a boost for him in a sea of negativity, though the huge success of Spare is assured anyway.
And it is completely true. Neither of the Sussexes have ever stated that they were leaving the UK to escape Britain or the British, or to live a completely private life. The British tabloids and elements of SM are responsible for promoting and maintaining that particular lie.
His lawyers have said he doesn?t feel safe bringing his children to the UK, which is why he requested police protection while there. He doesn?t feel safe going, so I?m not sure why he would need a home there. The claim isn?t just about paparazzi, it?s about feeling unsafe in the country in general. Idk what that says about the British people, but that?s what he said. He didn?t expand that to include other nations of the commonwealth.
Regardless of what he means, it?s how things are interpreted that ends up making the most impact. He left for California and now says he feels unsafe coming. That?s all perfectly justified, but I can see why people in the UK would take a bit of offense. Especially considering that you can get shot walking into a supermarket or a doctor?s office in the US.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on March 02, 2023, 11:15:45 PM
His lawyers have said he doesn?t feel safe bringing his children to the UK, which is why he requested police protection while there. He doesn?t feel safe going, so I?m not sure why he would need a home there. The claim isn?t just about paparazzi, it?s about feeling unsafe in the country in general. Idk what that says about the British people, but that?s what he said. He didn?t expand that to include other nations of the commonwealth.
Regardless of what he means, it?s how things are interpreted that ends up making the most impact. He left for California and now says he feels unsafe coming. That?s all perfectly justified, but I can see why people in the UK would take a bit of offense. Especially considering that you can get shot walking into a supermarket or a doctor?s office in the US.
The feeling unsafe in bringing his family to Britain is part of the legal argument Harry is making in his case against the Home Office which is ongoing. I believe it also has to do with the vile nature of some threats Meghan received online as soon as she went to live in Britain and continued until she left. However, Harry has never spoken of disliking Britain or the British people as a whole. Meghan has never said anything bad about them either. Harry in fact spent ten years in HM Forces in fact defending the place as an officer in the Guards.
There are unhinged people who have actively promoted harm against the family however. White powder was posted to KP in an envelope addressed to the Sussexes. There have been court cases in which harm was threatened against Archie and against Harry on podcasts etc. Harry was accused of being ?a race traitor? and two men were imprisoned for urging actions to harm the couple.
I don?t know if you have read this?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63804711
The Duchess of Sussex received "disgusting and very real" threats while a working royal, the outgoing Metropolitan Police assistant commissioner has said.
Neil Basu said he would understand if Meghan had felt "under threat all the time".
People have been prosecuted over the threats, he told Channel 4 News.
Prince Harry, who moved to California with Meghan in 2020, said last year he did not feel safe when visiting the UK.
The couple have often spoken about the abuse they received before they left and how it affected their mental health. As early as 2016, after the couple went public with their relationship, Prince Harry issued a statement attacking social media trolls for targeting Meghan.
Neil Basu - the former head of counter-terrorism policing in England - was speaking to Channel 4 News in his final interview as assistant commissioner.
"If you'd seen the stuff that was written and you were receiving it, the kind of rhetoric that's online, if you don't know what I know, you would feel under threat all of the time," he said.
When asked if there had been genuine threats to Meghan from the far-right, he added: "Absolutely.
"We had teams investigating it. People have been prosecuted for those threats."
He said he had previously spoken publicly about the threat of "extreme right-wing terrorism", saying it was the "fastest growing" threat that he dealt with.
"When I started in counter-terrorism in 2015, it was about 6% of our total workload. When I left 15, 16 months ago, it was over 20% of our workload."
I am very well aware that there are psychotic racists in the UK. As a minority myself, I?m also aware that they exist everywhere. That was my point with the comment about the US and other parts of the world. In the US you don?t even have to be famous to be in mortal danger. Without going too far into it, the threat of far-right terrorists is absolutely massive in the US. That?s part of why I was confused to why they moved to the California of all places (referring to my earlier comment about moving far far away and living privately). I?d choose a huge estate in the middle of nowhere or that place in Canada where they first stayed.
It sounds a little odd to say you?re scared of racist threats saying they?ll cause violence toward you so you leave the UK for the US. And I say this as an American. This place is terrifying. I barely go out anymore and every time I do, I create an immediate exit plan in case someone decides to open fire.
Meghan was born and brought up in California and both she and Harry like the California weather and lifestyle. They live a nice, quiet life in Montecito (a beautiful place that is hardly crime-ridden) and the couple are hardly on the red carpet every five minutes. Harry is seen riding a bike occasionally, they dine out every so often and that?s it. All this talk about them loving being with celebrities 24/7 is just media talk.
Harry likes warmth. Always has. Canada was rather cold and rainy when they were there. And Meghan is California born and bred, as I?ve said.
And some British people took it as a personal insult that a bi-racial, older, divorced American should have grabbed ?their Prince?, and therefore had it in for Meghan from the beginning. They felt if they made her life hell then she would leave Harry and he would get over it and stay. Instead he stuck by his wife and left with her.
I agree with that. That?s why I said perception is sometimes more important than the truth, perhaps most of the time. That?s what I?m saying. Their concerns may be valid, but a number of people have taken it as an insult. Especially considering the danger of the US. Trust me, sadly, there?s been many of those nice, upper crust communities that have had their innocence shattered by home grown terrorists.
I?d say you shouldn?t visit anywhere you feel unsafe. That wouldn?t make for a very fun trip. Part of why I never thought they?d accept the invitation to the coronation. He doesn?t want to visit there with his family because he feels unsafe. He?s said it himself. I was pointing out the irony of that statement whilst living in a country where it?s dangerous to walk out of your front door for fear that some psycho is going to shoot you.
And oh dear, I sure hope they send their children to private school. I?m sure they would have regardless of where they lived, but especially here. I don?t know how parents don?t have an emotional breakdown every time they send their kids off to school here.
I think they will send their children to private school. Meghan went to private school herself. And they have a security team in Montecito so I don?t think they are naive about possible dangers.
I?m British born and bred (in Norfolk) though I emigrated to Australia many years ago and love it, I?ve been back to Britain many times since for months at a time. I?ve visited quite a bit of the world, including the US several times, and I have to say that the only time I ever felt in any danger was in Manchester England one Saturday night, and in London once, again at night, while waiting for a taxi in a darkened street. So I guess danger can be everywhere.
For sure. Things have definitely gotten worse here in the US. I think our politicians and infotainment channels have been stoking anger in people for many years now and it?s just gotten progressively worse. Plus our gun laws are pretty lackadaisical.
I don?t watch television news anymore. A conscious choice after the last few years. But every couple of days, sometimes day after day, there?s some story about a shooting at a school, theater, restaurant, church, or pretty much anywhere to be honest. I don?t remember that being the case when I was younger. I?m always on the lookout now.
They?ve managed to slip in and out of some places without much fuss in the past though. Maybe once things calm down they can buy an estate in the UK or continental Europe and visit. I don?t know whether they?ll win the right to pay for their own police. I can see a little conflict there; a little element of privatizing the police force. But I have no clue how the system works in the UK. I wonder how other famous people there do it. Like if there?s a huge charity event, would police be there to secure the event whether it was Prince Harry or any other famous person? They would here in the US due to crowd control if the event was big enough.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on March 03, 2023, 12:04:12 AM
I agree with that. That?s why I said perception is sometimes more important than the truth, perhaps most of the time. That?s what I?m saying. Their concerns may be valid, but a number of people have taken it as an insult. Especially considering the danger of the US. Trust me, sadly, there?s been many of those nice, upper crust communities that have had their innocence shattered by home grown terrorists.
I?d say you shouldn?t visit anywhere you feel unsafe. That wouldn?t make for a very fun trip. Part of why I never thought they?d accept the invitation to the coronation. He doesn?t want to visit there with his family because he feels unsafe. He?s said it himself. I was pointing out the irony of that statement whilst living in a country where it?s dangerous to walk out of your front door for fear that some psycho is going to shoot you.
And oh dear, I sure hope they send their children to private school. I?m sure they would have regardless of where they lived, but especially here. I don?t know how parents don?t have an emotional breakdown every time they send their kids off to school here.
They'll very likely send them to private school because it's nearly impossible to send a child with his/her own armed bodyguard to an American public school. Noe that not a single POTUS and FLOTUS since the Carters who have school aged children-Clintons, Obamas, Trumps have opted for public school while in office. It's just not practical. (Sadly quite a few of the students are likely armed at some of the public schools and probably some of the private ones as well.)
Now to be honest, IMHO there's slim pickings in the way of private schools in Montecito and Santa Barbara simply because the area has a small population. Most of them are religious though the Sussexes might ultimately be okay with that option. However, the schools might not be open to armed guards on the school grounds. They might opt to head south towards Los Angeles Co. during the next few years.
Laguna Blanca co-Ed school in Santa Barbara looks great?
Laguna Blanca School | Home (https://www.lagunablanca.org/)
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They?ve managed to slip in and out of some places without much fuss in the past though. Maybe once things calm down they can buy an estate in the UK or continental Europe and visit. I don?t know whether they?ll win the right to pay for their own police. I can see a little conflict there; a little element of privatizing the police force. But I have no clue how the system works in the UK. I wonder how other famous people there do it. Like if there?s a huge charity event, would police be there to secure the event whether it was Prince Harry or any other famous person? They would here in the US due to crowd control if the event was big enough.
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Uniformed police do attend things like big soccer matches in Britain where celebs and royals may well be present. That?s for crowd control purposes of course, and it would be the same for big charity events where royals would be present, with their presence decided by the local authorities and police forces.
If Harry returned for a wedding or funeral where other senior royals are present then he (and Meghan) would come under the same police protection as is there for other royals. Here is an article about it.
?All sorts of risk?: the expert unit keeping the royals safe before Queen?s funeral | Monarchy | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/14/array-of-motivations-the-threats-fixated-people-pose-to-royals)
It?s the possible private visits to charities, relatives, friends in the UK in the future that Harry is challenging the Home Office about, however.
Quote from: Curryong on March 03, 2023, 02:30:27 AM
Laguna Blanca co-Ed school in Santa Barbara looks great?
Laguna Blanca School | Home (https://www.lagunablanca.org/)
It does, but Meghan and Harry come from backgrounds where there were far more choices available. Also this is a very small town, so if things don't work out there's very limited options.
I am also going to point out that there is a good chance that one of them might have inherited a learning disability. I am not saying this to be unkind, but it is something that they might need to consider when scouting for future schools. Would the private school be able to offer additional support or specialized instruction as well as the general education curriculum?
Please note that the BRF are not the only royals who have a history of inherited learning disabilities. The Swedish royal family has the current King, Crown Princess and Prince Carl Philip who are affected. This is also found in the Luxembourg and Belgian families.
Archie goes to kinder already doesn?t he? It may be that any learning difficulties regarding him have been picked up already, by the nursery school or his parents. By the time Lily is ready for fulltime school the Sussexes may be living elsewhere. I have to say Laguna looks fabulous and progressive. I?m sure that additional support would be available. If it isn?t then maybe the couple will think about moving.
We?ve discussed dyslexia before haven?t we and my theory that the Scandi royals and therefore the Belgians and Luxembourg royals got it through Queen Victoria?s family via CPrss Daisy of Sweden. I?ve long been convinced that Edward VII had ADD. Don?t know where Beatrice York got her dyslexia, neither Fergie nor Andrew seem to be sufferers.
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@Curryong. I know we have discussed it in the past because it's just one of those topics that I find endlessly fascinating. I have probably bored everyone to tears by now.
Now I need to give myself a good shaking and tell myself to get back on topic!
Quote from: Curryong on March 03, 2023, 02:52:16 AM
[quote author=HistoryGirl2 link=topic=95393.msg1517622#msg1517622 date=1677804852
They?ve managed to slip in and out of some places without much fuss in the past though. Maybe once things calm down they can buy an estate in the UK or continental Europe and visit. I don?t know whether they?ll win the right to pay for their own police. I can see a little conflict there; a little element of privatizing the police force. But I have no clue how the system works in the UK. I wonder how other famous people there do it. Like if there?s a huge charity event, would police be there to secure the event whether it was Prince Harry or any other famous person? They would here in the US due to crowd control if the event was big enough.
Uniformed police do attend things like big soccer matches in Britain where celebs and royals may well be present. That?s for crowd control purposes of course, and it would be the same for big charity events where royals would be present, with their presence decided by the local authorities and police forces.
If Harry returned for a wedding or funeral where other senior royals are present then he (and Meghan) would come under the same police protection as is there for other royals. Here is an article about it.
?All sorts of risk?: the expert unit keeping the royals safe before Queen?s funeral | Monarchy | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/14/array-of-motivations-the-threats-fixated-people-pose-to-royals)
It?s the possible private visits to charities, relatives, friends in the UK in the future that Harry is challenging the Home Office about, however.
Yeah, those look tough in the short term. Maybe there?s some agreement to be made that would satisfy both sides to an extent.
I'm also not sure if this would go here, if it doesn't, please move but
The Bench will now getting a Turkish translation under the label Bank Altın Books
Sussex D??esi Meghan'dan Babalar ve ?ocuklar? ?zerine Bir ?yk?: Bank (https://cocuk.gazetesanat.com/sussex-dusesi-meghandan-babalar-ve-cocuklari-uzerine-bir-oyku-bank/)
Article is in Turkish
Quote from: changemhysoul on March 06, 2023, 07:29:10 PM
I'm also not sure if this would go here, if it doesn't, please move but
The Bench will now getting a Turkish translation under the label Bank Altın Books
Sussex D??esi Meghan'dan Babalar ve ?ocuklar? ?zerine Bir ?yk?: Bank (https://cocuk.gazetesanat.com/sussex-dusesi-meghandan-babalar-ve-cocuklari-uzerine-bir-oyku-bank/)
Article is in Turkish
Glad to hear it. The Bench was a New York Times bestseller so it may well have been given other translations before as it sold quite well.
Random but cool enough to share
Bubia Lutheran Primary School has the 1st and only copy o Spare in Papua New Guinea
https://twitter.com/RickiiMartin/status/1633324597423534082
Quote from: changemhysoul on March 08, 2023, 01:29:27 PM
Random but cool enough to share
Bubia Lutheran Primary School has the 1st and only copy o Spare in Papua New Guinea
https://twitter.com/RickiiMartin/status/1633324597423534082
What a shame. Perhaps they could act like a lending library though I can?t see the pupils borrowing it, just the teachers!
Quote from: Curryong on March 08, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
What a shame. Perhaps they could act like a lending library though I can?t see the pupils borrowing it, just the teachers!
Something like that would be nice!
Quote from: Curryong on March 08, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
What a shame. Perhaps they could act like a lending library though I can?t see the pupils borrowing it, just the teachers!
Perhaps due to the country's remote communities, if it's easier to have an electronic copy that everyone downloads? Travel through Papua New Guinea can be challenging at times. Also from reading this article, it appears that keeping the public libraries open is also quite the task.
Part 3 - PNG libraries : Public and rural libraries, library associations (https://www.pngbuai.com/000general/libraries/library-development/png-libraries/Encx-libraries-png-3.html#public-rural-libraries)
I recently read an article in Scholastic News when I was with some second grade students. FYI- Scholastic News is an American publication that shares about current events and is geared towards elementary aged students. The article was about trying to bring books to rural areas of Columbia and a retired teacher would carry books on his donkey's back to the rural communities once a week. He began with 70 books and through donations is now up to 7,000! Donkeys are very strong and can travel over terrain that many cars/trucks/buses cannot access. This might work in PNG as the population is mostly rural and remote.
Here's a link to the article.
All Issues (https://sn2.scholastic.com/pages/archives/all-issues.html)
A fantastic patronage/charity idea for any royal who wishes to sponsor a way for PNG communities to access books.
Not sure where this shloud be posted, but DO other posters, esp those who have managed to read his book in full, think that the anger at being a SPARE is of long standing? I did wonder why he chose that as the title for his book, and Im thinking that it seems like from boyhood, he resented being the younger brother, even though Im sure that DIana treated the boys equally.. There seems to be a lot of complaints tht even as kids, Harry was put in a broom cupboard while WIllilam got the big fancy room. Hrarry got only 1 sausage while Will got 2. Problaby Harry got a broken toy and WIlliam got a new bike and so on. Or is this an idea that Meg put in his head because obviously, in some ways the boys could NOT be equals, and possbily SHE resented it when she found that by marrying the second son, she was never going to get quite the same perks as the wife of the first son?
I think that Harry has had some long-standing jealousy and resentment over being the second son, and I'm not sure that the brothers were as close as the public thought they were. But I don't think it was all bad either. I'm sure there were times when they had fun together and got on well. It seems like they had a typical sibling relationship, in that the younger child feels the older one got a lot more privileges, and the older one feels the younger was coddled and got away with more. Except for William and Harry, it's greatly exacerbated by being royal and that William is in fact the heir.
In a situation with royal kids, I'm sure it is difficult for parents because it is an unfair system. One kid will inherit and the others won't. In spite of Harry's allegations, I think that they were treated pretty equally growing up. Sometimes I wonder if part of the problem is that everyone treated them too equally. Of course, in family life, on a personal level, the children should be loved equally, and treated as much the same as possible. But at the same time, I think the parents need to start preparing them for the idea that in public they will have different roles, and emphasize that there are advantages and disadvantages to both. "Sometimes your sibling will do things that you won't get to do, and sometimes you will do things that your sibling will not get to do."
Harry has always had more attention and fame than most 'spares' because of the Diana effect. All the years he and William were growing up and well into adulthood, they were known as 'Diana's boys', and thought of as a pair. So while Harry knew that William was the heir and would someday be king, I also think it didn't really 'hit' him for a long time. And then suddenly, things changed. William married Catherine and they started their family. Then a few years later, the late Queen began the soft transition of power, where Charles and William were taking on more responsibilities, and I think Harry really began to feel left behind.
But also yes, I think Meghan didn't help matters. I think she had a an unrealistic view of royal life and did not like the idea of playing second fiddle to William and Catherine, and she and Harry amplified each other's feelings. So they decided instead of playing the supporting role, they would go to California and become superstars on their own. And that in itself, I don't have any problem with. Everyone should be free to pursue their own goals in life. The problem is Harry and Meghan made a lot of untrue and misleading statements to damage the royal family and make money off them.
Mmm. I suppose I feel that the Harry of public image has proved to be so very different to what we have seen of late.. I do wonder if H was always resentful and angry and the RF and household KNEW that he was a ticking time bomb who might well go off some day.
Even back years ago, from what I'd read, I did wonder if the 2 boys were as close as the media made them out to be, things like Harry saying when Will got engaged that he was looking forward to getting to know Catherine, as if he hardly knew her. and perhaps the jokes about Harry never doing the washing up or taking food had a bit of an edge to them....that Will knew that Harry was not really a cheerful happy bunny in private and that he had resentment agianst him, his older brother for being his older brother.
https://twitter.com/BooksellersNG/status/1635601110256738305
The Booksellers, a Nigerian bookstore said that Spare is the best selling book of Feb. for them. The linked video also included the other books that are best selling books.
Spare is at it's 8th week on the New York Times Best Seller but has moved down to number 2, beaten out by Ron DeSantis recent release. I'm going to have to buy more copies of Spare and I'm Glad My Mom Died out of spite to get him off. Still no.1 on Amazon
so people are buying more copies, just to bump up the sales?
Quote from: Amabel2 on March 15, 2023, 01:15:12 PM
so people are buying more copies, just to bump up the sales?
No. I didn't speak for people, I spoke for me. I also said that my goal wasn't buying to raise simply to raise his profile but because I don't like DeSantis. I'd buy every single book on the list a thousand times over to get DeSantis off.
But 'people' aren't doing anything like seeing as Harry dropped down to number 2 on the best sellers list.
Prince Harry?s #Spare retains the top spot on the UK?s Sunday Times Bestsellers List not just for nonfiction but for all hardcover books beating out a recent fiction entry from Margaret Atwood. #SparePrinceHarry
The Sunday Times Bestsellers List ? the UK?s definitive book sales chart (https://archive.is/2023.03.20-171706/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-sunday-times-bestsellers-list-books-reads-authors-writers-wtf0fg8v7)
Quote from: changemhysoul on March 20, 2023, 08:14:45 PM
Prince Harry?s #Spare retains the top spot on the UK?s Sunday Times Bestsellers List not just for nonfiction but for all hardcover books beating out a recent fiction entry from Margaret Atwood. #SparePrinceHarry
The Sunday Times Bestsellers List ? the UK?s definitive book sales chart (https://archive.is/2023.03.20-171706/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-sunday-times-bestsellers-list-books-reads-authors-writers-wtf0fg8v7)
Excellent news, and a real achievement as we reach the last couple of weeks of March 2023.
Quote from: Curryong on March 20, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
Excellent news, and a real achievement as we reach the last couple of weeks of March 2023.
Yeah, I'm genuinely shocked, I thought by the end of Feb. or the start of March that it'd fall off. Maybe not too hard but sitting in the lower tens? As I said before, the shock and thirst for drama might've put it at top but the staying power is strong seeing as most of the most 'shocking' stuff as died off and even when they tried with the woman who came forward and assumed she was the one Harry was talking about...it's not gotten much oxygen.
I have two extra books (one from a co-worker who bought the book but then bought the audio book and gave me a hard cover and then the talk with Dr. Mate.) so I'm thinking donating the books to two of my local libraries. I saw some of them had long wait times (some said they were like 300 in-line)
@changemhysoul - Thank you for donating to your local library! :high5:
@changemhysoul, as a librarian in my past life, I highly commend you for thinking about donating to your local library! I?m sure the patrons and staff will be thrilled if another copy is added to help with the waiting list!
I can't beleive there's a waiting list
Quote from: Amabel2 on March 22, 2023, 10:07:38 AM
I can't beleive there's a waiting list
I can. There?s a waiting list of a couple of hundred in my library as well or was a week ago!. I haven?t donated my copy as I have Spare on my Kindle, but I?m inspired by you now change, and the next time I go into town I?ll buy a copy and follow your example. It?s a terrific thing to do.
I love how our members are choosing to donate either a new or "gently used" copy to their local libraries.
So currently I'm reading Valentine Low's book Courtiers, but the digital copy of Spare is now available and being downloaded to my ancient but still functioning Nook. We get our digital books through Los Angeles Co. public library as they have a wider selection and a greater number of copies available than my local municipal library. It took us about three months before it was available, so there is still a waiting list in Los Angles Co.
I?d imagine so. All books on the bestseller list usually have tons of holds, even at larger systems that have many copies. I?d donate more books, but to honest, I rarely buy them anymore. I turn to the library for pretty much everything!
@HistoryGirl2 - I'm in the same position. While I still enjoy reading actual books, it's so much easier to pop my reader into my purse for traveling or just when I know I'll be waiting for awhile and need some entertainment.
Time is scarce these days. I usually pick the more convenient option, too. But eBooks/audiobooks are so expensive for libraries, donating print copies helps them out a lot.
Publishers Little, Brown Books are releasing a parody of Spare in April entitled Spare Us a Harrody.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/spare-us/bruno-vincent/9780349146065
I won't buy but I'm glad they're having fun with it.
Based on the little description, I hope at least, they refrain from joking about the psychical violence. As I said, what was alleged wasn't a fight between two brothers but someone putting their hands on another person because said person wasn't listening/reacting to them how they wanted.
The parody book is giving South Park but I feel like it'd be funnier than the show.
Quote from: TLLK on March 23, 2023, 12:25:47 PM
Publishers Little, Brown Books are releasing a parody of Spare in April entitled Spare Us a Harrody.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/spare-us/bruno-vincent/9780349146065
That title was begging for that pun 😂
Honestly I believe that the book will likely cover in a joking manner the altercation between William and Harry at NC as well as Harry's physical fights with his RPOs and the paparazzi simply because it's either in Spare or is part of Harry's past recorded actions. It's a parody of an already existing book so they just need to "tweak" the stories to show it from a humorous angle.
^I?d agree. People have already made fun of it anyway; the broken necklace bit, in particular. Gotta have thick skin if you?re going to publish your most private moments.
I think for me, it's more that, it was a fight that was written in the book. At least when Harry was pushed into the dog-bowel. That was a one-sided thing to me, so that's assault.
Now covering an actual psychical fight or more like an yelling at each other is fair game.
I think a lot of stuff in the book can be tweaked to be funny (because a lot of it is funny on it's own) but that is already being played own as a fight between two people when it was legit, one person coming over to another's home, yelling at him about this wife and then putting his hands on him because he wasn't hearing he wants to hear. To his credit, William did apologize but I just have been keen on the way it's being played down.
It'd be different if reports after were saying it just didn't happen, but that's not the story. It's been spun as something brothers do when no....that's not what happened at all.
But overall, there are a lot of themes and etc in the book that can be made funny.
There broken necklace part is fine, it was something important to him but it's whatever if people dismiss it.
Putting your hands on someone because they won't do what you want when you come in their house, disrespecting their wife isn't something to be made fun of it. I promise, if Harry had wrote down that he walked into Williams home, yelled at him because of Kate and then knocked William around while breaking things that William owned, he'd be getting called unhinged, dangerous and etc. But because it was William that put his hands on Harry, it's being downplayed as a fight.
^That is Harry?s version of events. William has yet to state what his version of events were. But humor is subjective, so if someone finds it funny, I don?t see a problem with them mocking it.
The funny but take it seriously is the collab of ex friends, IMO.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on March 23, 2023, 01:40:53 PM
^That is Harry?s version of events. William has yet to state what his version of events were. But humor is subjective, so if someone finds it funny, I don?t see a problem with them mocking it.
Yes, we have yet to hear from William on his recollection of the events which just might vary from Harry's. Though I doubt we'll ever hear about it from him. Now as
@HistoryGirl2 has pointed out, humor is subjective and yes it's likely to be parodied in
Spare Us. The altercation at FC has already been the subject of more than one joke and video.
Well yes, I'm hearing recollections may vary from several ex friend sources, hence my previous opinion about collabs.
Harry and Meghan have made quite a few misleading statements so I'm highly skeptical of their stories, especially ones where Harry or Meghan is completely innocent and someone else is completely in the wrong. As far as the tale of William and Harry's altercation, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there wasn't a lot more to that story, if it happened at all.
well yes Im afraid I felt the same about Diana. I used to beleive her stories, but so many were proved to be contradictory, that I had to give up beleiving. ANd with Harry the lies are just easy to spot so often like the famous one about them getting married 3 days before their wedding, that its almost impossible now to believe them
Yes, Diana was kind, could be generous, warm, and loving. But, in my opinion, she could also be manipulative, impulsive, immature, and selfish. I see a lot of her in Harry.
Harry's much worse though. I think Di's lies were told on impulse, with him and Meg its deliberate and to make money
I agree that Harry and Meghan are worse, but I'm not sure about Diana. I think sometimes she said and did things impulsively without thinking it through. But sometimes I think she said things deliberately to make the press and public think well of her and think poorly of Charles and the Family.
The commonality is an inability or lack of desire to see things from the perspective of the other person. That and lacking self awareness.
Prince Harry?s #Spare tops Canada?s Toronto Star Bestsellers List for the 10th straight week.
The bestselling books in Canada for the week ending March 22 | The Star (https://archive.md/2023.03.22-233035/https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2023/03/22/the-bestselling-books-in-canada-for-the-week-ending-march-22.html)
?#Spare, Prince Harry?s landmark autobiography, shot to the number one spot on bestselling lists when it was released in January?it?s no surprise that the book has been the most popular audiobook on Audible so far in 2023.?
The Best Audiobook Narrators on Audible UK in 2023 (https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/the-most-popular-narrators-on-audible-uk-in-2023-from-prince-harry-to-stephen-fry)
A short review of Spare: Mainly posting this because the narrative is often that Spare is a flop and everyone hates it. There are a lot of good press and reviews around the book but what gets posted and prompted are the negative slant. Not shocking, as this has been happening before either of them actually talked about anything.
Review: Spare by Prince Harry ? _ForBooksSake (https://forbookssake.home.blog/2023/03/23/review-spare-by-prince-harry/)
Spare will get a Turkish Translation
https://twitter.com/mundikitap/status/1639235228580323329
Quote from: Kristeh-H on March 24, 2023, 02:19:57 PM
I agree that Harry and Meghan are worse, but I'm not sure about Diana. I think sometimes she said and did things impulsively without thinking it through. But sometimes I think she said things deliberately to make the press and public think well of her and think poorly of Charles and the Family.
True, but well it may be a generational thing but I dot think that Diana wuold have told a bunch of lies purely to make money. She did want to be left well off after her divorce, but she didn't think in terms of selling her story to make money
Post placed here as the information regarding Prince Harry's "kill claim" was first shared in his memoir
Spare. The artist has created similar sculptures in the past of different controversial topics ie Russian President Vladimir Putin and one filled with crude oil at the recent World Cup.
Prince Harry: Sculpture filled with human blood 'to be projected on to St Paul's Cathedral' after duke's kill claim | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-sculpture-filled-with-human-blood-to-be-projected-on-to-st-pauls-cathedral-after-dukes-kill-claim-12841125)
QuoteHuman blood is set to "drench" one of the UK's most famous landmarks in a protest over Prince Harry's controversial remarks about the number of people he killed in Afghanistan.
Russian artist Andrei Molodkin says he will project a sculpture featuring blood donated by Afghans on to St Paul's Cathedral in the coming days, along with footage of the Duke of Sussex.
It comes after Harry faced criticism for revealing in his memoir that he killed 25 Taliban fighters while serving in Afghanistan, writing that it was "not a number that fills me with satisfaction, but nor does it embarrass me".
The prince also admitted that he did not think of those he killed as "people", but instead as "chess pieces" that had been taken off the board.
It?s a hugely controversial issue that requires complexity of thinking as well as nuance. It?s also a conversation that is far bigger than Prince Harry. However, with the events going on in the Ukraine, it does remind me of the horror and depravity that is war for the men and women that are caught up in conflicts between governments and partisan groups. I hope this art installation leads to a wider and carefully considered conversation about war and its devastating effects on all involved.
11 consecutive weeks atop the Toronto Star?s Bestsellers List! Prince Harry?s #Spare is Canada?s leading nonfiction book
The bestselling books in Canada for the week ending March 30 | The Star (https://archive.md/2023.03.30-205011/https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2023/03/30/the-bestselling-books-in-canada-for-the-week-ending-march-30.html)
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While Spare has finally dropped to no.3 on New York Times best sellers for Combined Print & Ebook Non-fiction and Hardcover Non-fiction, it's made it 11 weeks on the list and Spare has officially crossed 1Mil Print copies sold in America
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FshVSSzakAAhLXC?format=jpg&name=medium)
Well you said this: ?I don?t know whether Pat is a real person or not. However, if she exists not one of the approximately 250 people, staff and boys at Ludgrove in Harry?s time have chosen to come out and say anything at all, favourable or unfavourable about this woman, not even her fellow matrons or the local doctor who must have been at the school occasionally.
Think about it. Would any reputable publishing house allow a woman to be named and her physical characteristics be described in such a way if there really was a Pat and she was in the physical condition described?That would set them up to be sued by her. Unless she is dead, in which case her loved ones could have come out and protested at the portrait.?
If you?re not saying Harry lied in his book, i honestly don?t havee any clue about what your point is. If Harry has a habit of exaggerating ( let?s just say they both have the tendency to embellish their truth don?t they :laugh10: ) i wonder what else could be considered untrue in his book? :sarcastic:
Maybe Pat is a Harry repulsive fantasy.
Harry stated in his book Spare: "Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates as it sees fit, and there's just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts."
^This admission means his memory no longer records, his recollections are spotty, but yet telling this story of a disabled woman tied to his togger, not getting exited 🤮 laughing at her disability, mocking her, the ghostwriter just typed away. Meanwhile, the Invictus people, anyone?!
I don?t have a direct line to Harry, his ghostwriter or his publisher!
It was a proposition, a theory of mine in my post, regarding Pat, as no media, no ex staff have ever come out and spoken about her since Spare was published. Haven?t you ever heard of authors, whether of fiction or not, writing amalgams of persons they knew in their youth or former days, rather than a named person? Because in nearly sixty years of reading all sorts of literature I certainly have.
As a Cult Survivor, I Found Prince Harry?s ?Spare? Surprisingly Relatable - Electric Literature (https://electricliterature.com/as-a-cult-survivor-i-found-prince-harrys-spare-surprisingly-relatable/)
Great review of Spare.
It's not Harry bashing one, or a bashing Harry's mental health one or bashing Harry for his privilege's, which he has openly stated and understood he has. It also doesn't bash the royal family either even if it's not on his side. There are two lines from that I really like.
[ I hope Harry makes peace with the fact that his family is the monarchy, and the monarchy is the press. And that in leaving any one of those things, he loses them all. ]
I like this line because it's true. Even if Harry wants his family, his family depend, rely on and care more about the press and working on image and etc and etc, than they do about the human beings that have to hold up the institution. Even more so, they press that the family enjoys engaging is often the very conservative (even though, they claim to be 'neutral,), tory/right leaning. And they're called a royal family but family does not come first. The author of the article isn't as harsh as me but those are my personal views and even more so just fact of how the family centers it'sself. The Tory to Royal Family to Tory work pipe-line is there for everyone to see.
And this part...
[The reward deferred is essential to keeping an otherwise independent adult in a system of control, and I knew those kinds of promises well. Witnesses are expected to sacrifice their own desires to earn passage through Armageddon and entry into a paradise earth. Better to die faithful and be resurrected in paradise than to seek happiness now and miss out on this glorious hope.
?Consider the Israelites,? my father urged me. ?They complained about how things were being done, and they witnessed miracles?and some lost out.?]
[ ?I?m not interested in debating,? is all I would say to my father when he attempted to understand why I left or tried to convince me to change my mind. My parents have already made all their sacrifices for their faith and they?re waiting for their reward. To take that from them now would only hurt them. ]
It connects to final say paragraph in the piece.
[ For Harry, physically leaving could be as easy as making a phone call to Tyler Perry, but mentally leaving is the real work. Whether he makes amends with his family or not, I hope Harry can make peace with the fact that they may never understand why he wanted to be free. And I hope he can watch his father?s coronation and be happy for him?he?s finally getting the reward he was promised. ]
Whatever happens, if he goes or not. (Still hopping that he doesn't but I suspect he will ), it's what his dad wants and he's finally getting what's promised to him. Even if it Charles admitted to himself that the relationship with the press is toxic, the system flawed, he's going to be King and he wants his reward.
Overall, it's a very good piece. Unlike reviews that come from the UK, right-wing or conservatives places, it doesn't take digs and etc at the RF and focuses on the authors personal connection and the book.
^But he courts the press, too? That?s what I find so strange. He loves being in the spotlight and that requires media. He?s as much a part of the machine as the RF is. He uses the press to put his narrative out there, whether true or not.
I?d completely understand the perspective if he had decided to live as a private citizen and he wanted nothing to do with media. But that?s not the path he chose. That?s where the hypocrisy comes in for me.
He?s not angry at the press. He?s angry that he wasn?t presented in the press in a certain light. Those two things aren?t the same thing.
Also, I don?t think his family take any issue with him ?being free.? He wanted to have one foot in and one foot out. They?re the ones that told him it was one or the other, so they didn?t take issue with him choosing to leave. I think their issue is that he?s decided to talk about them ad nauseam in order to make a career for himself.
That?s another irony that borders on the ridiculous. ?Free?? He makes money off his title and his main selling point is telling people what he thinks of the monarchy any chance he gets. Selling personal family moments and conversations to the highest bidder. He?s not free from anything, by choice.
He could be if he really wanted to, of course. The RF have moved on. And I think that?s what he hasn?t come to terms with. That his family could so easily say, ?You wanna leave? Okay, cool.? Every step that Charles and William have taken shows that they?re ready to move forward publicly with the members they currently have.
Now, on the personal side do I think they?ve moved on? No. I think (whether rightly or wrongly) they feel as betrayed as Harry feels. I think both sides feel wronged. But the main difference is that William and Charles have assets at their disposal that allow them to move forward more easily. Harry is the one that needs to make money consistently. They?re fine.
The one headline is super funny, Charles and William decided to never meet Harry alone again after Oprah.
As if Harry didn't flee the entire country to get away from them. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Like, this man left the country because he couldn't trust, his father, nor his brother, his grandmother's teams or his families teams. Charles and William are playing catch-up now but it's a little two late. They can't break his trust first and then turn around expect him to even try and keep theirs.
Also, I wouldn't feel embarrassed for the family, as they continue to let those close to them talk to authors about private on-goings in the various books and etc.
And I go based on, if everything believes that everything written nasty or bad written about Harry and Meghan is real, then I super believe the nasty things written about the families personalities from the very same papers are real.
You'd think, as much as they want to cut off Harry, they would start cutting off their friends, staff and etc that continue to leak. So, not an ounce of feeling sorry from me.
In better news, Ramona Rosales won the American Photography Award for Prince Harry's Spare book cover, American Photography #39
^Actually, he left the country when the RF informed him that his desire to be a part time working royal whilst also having commercial deals was not going to be possible. I say that because I think it?s an important distinction to make. Harry didn?t originally wanna stop being a working royal. He wanted to do it part time. And he?s currently in the process of suing because he wants security in order to return to that country he apparently ran away from.
And it seems to be William and Charles who aren?t champing at the bit to speak to him. As Harry has told them the ball is in their court and they?ve yet to reach out.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on April 09, 2023, 02:05:07 AM
^Actually, he left the country when the RF informed him that his desire to be a part time working royal whilst also having commercial deals was not going to be possible. I say that because I think it?s an important distinction to make. Harry didn?t originally wanna stop being a working royal. He wanted to do it part time. And he?s currently in the process of suing because he wants security in order to return to that country he apparently ran away from.
And it seems to be William and Charles who aren?t champing at the bit to speak to him. As Harry has told them the ball is in their court and they?ve yet to reach out.
After reading Spare, that was the impression that I came away with too. I truly believe that Prince Harry wanted the "Half-in and half-out" arrangement where the Sussexes could live outside of the UK but still maintain a residence there and have the opportunity to make commercial deals while retaining their military appointments and patronages. I don't recall Prince Harry stating that he was "running away" from his family.
Now I can understand why the BRF members prefer to have others with them while speaking with the Sussexes and I believe that the couple would also prefer that type of arrangement.
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Quote from: TLLK on April 09, 2023, 02:14:27 AM
After reading Spare, that was the impression that I came away with too. I truly believe that Prince Harry wanted the "Half-in and half-out" arrangement where the Sussexes could live outside of the UK but still maintain a residence there and have the opportunity to make commercial deals while retaining their military appointments and patronages. I don't recall Prince Harry stating that he was "running away" from his family.
Now I can understand why the BRF members prefer to have others with them while speaking with the Sussexes and I believe that the couple would also prefer that type of arrangement.
I would think it prudent, as well. I think were they to attend the coronation, polite small talk would be the order of the day. I don?t think most members of the RF would relish having their private conversations published in a book. And since the Sussexes believe the RF feed stories about them to the press, I can?t see them wanting to have personal conversations either.
And I would find that to be such a strange transition. To go from being a member of the RF to someone that?s now considered an outsider that one has to be wary of. I would say I feel for him on that front because that would personally devastate me, but it?s a choice that he made himself not something that was done to him.
I think it was inevitable, given the hatred he obviously cherishes for his being the younger son... And hte fact that they walked out. It was always obvious that they were going to have to sell dirty secrets in order to make the kind of money they need for their lifestyle, I didnt' think, initially, that Harry would do that sort of thing, but that was before he revealed how much anger he's had about being the SPARE...
^He also seems to be a very impulsive person that doesn?t tend to to think far ahead in advance. That?s why I wonder how much truth there is to him wanting to reconcile. Is he just saying that to sound good publicly? Or does he genuinely think that his father and brother would just move past something like that and move on? In my head I think, no one could possibly be that dense.
Everyone makes their own choices, but when you publish a tell-all book without asking permission from the other people you write about, it?s only natural that you would be 100 percent aware that they may never want to speak to you again.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on April 09, 2023, 12:46:42 PM
I would think it prudent, as well. I think were they to attend the coronation, polite small talk would be the order of the day. I don?t think most members of the RF would relish having their private conversations published in a book. And since the Sussexes believe the RF feed stories about them to the press, I can?t see them wanting to have personal conversations either.
And I would find that to be such a strange transition. To go from being a member of the RF to someone that?s now considered an outsider that one has to be wary of. I would say I feel for him on that front because that would personally devastate me, but it?s a choice that he made himself not something that was done to him.
Agreed. Polite conversation about the weather, the size of the crowds, any amusing encounters behind the scenes along with small talk children and pets would likely suffice.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on April 09, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
^He also seems to be a very impulsive person that doesn?t tend to to think far ahead in advance. That?s why I wonder how much truth there is to him wanting to reconcile. Is he just saying that to sound good publicly? Or does he genuinely think that his father and brother would just move past something like that and move on? In my head I think, no one could possibly be that dense.
Everyone makes their own choices, but when you publish a tell-all book without asking permission from the other people you write about, it?s only natural that you would be 100 percent aware that they may never want to speak to you again.
there is that as well. Look at how he swung around during the time when he was publicisign the book.. Camilla leaves bodies in the street.. No i get on very well with Camila..
I didnt say the family were racist because i did not literally use the word
Stuff like that, he honestly perhaps does not realise that what he said today contradicts what he said 2 days ago
Quote from: Amabel2 on April 09, 2023, 01:48:36 PM
there is that as well. Look at how he swung around during the time when he was publicisign the book.. Camilla leaves bodies in the street.. No i get on very well with Camila..
I didnt say the family were racist because i did not literally use the word
Stuff like that, he honestly perhaps does not realise that what he said today contradicts what he said 2 days ago
I totally agree with your comment and History Girl, I think there is something very wrong with Harry emotionally and mentally, some see it and some don't. He is going to crash someday and it won't be pretty sight to see.
^Yes, but there?s also a calculating side to him, too. That?s what I believe the back and forth about Camilla and racism in the RF is about. He?s also quite calculating with the press. It?s as if he?s constantly seeking a certain narrative. His mother was said to have read every word about herself in the press, he seems to be a chip off that block, which I think, partially feeds his anger and feelings of inferiority.
well he did say that in an interview with the press, that he read all the papers bout himself, and he did not know why he did this. Diana used to read all the stuff about herslef too, and her staff told her that they advised her not to, but she persisted.
^You?re right. I had forgotten that bit in the book where he talked about waking Meghan up in the middle of the night to show her something written about her in the tabloids. How sad. It?s an addiction like anything else, I suppose.
After 11 weeks, Spare has dropped to number 4 on the UK The Sunday Times Best Sellers list
Also, Spare has sold over half a Million hard cover copies in the UK alone.
As of April 9th he has sold 667,545 copies in hardcover within 12 weeks of publication.
This does not include eBooks and Audio copies of the book.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on April 10, 2023, 12:31:43 PM
^You?re right. I had forgotten that bit in the book where he talked about waking Meghan up in the middle of the night to show her something written about her in the tabloids. How sad. It?s an addiction like anything else, I suppose.
Which I believe happened while she was pregnant with Archie. :no: I hope that Prince Harry has discussed this compulsion with his therapist(s) and has received some sound advice on how to manage his behavior when it comes to reading the news.
^Same. Even if they win the lawsuit, it will not stop the media from publishing things that he deems unflattering or don?t fit into his narrative about their lives. Dealing with this compulsion would likely be easier if they chose to be private people, but that is not what they want.
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Sorry, I forgot about the other thread and since it was, a book sort of about Harry because he came up a lot.
I believe this one should be fine, it legit proves Harry point about his family leaking and what he talks about in Spare. He didn't mention in Spare that parts of the conversation with William being in Battle of Brothers. Only, William, made sure to leave out the part about attacking Harry to his friends. No railing against his friends either for betraying his trust. No royal reporters coming out to talk about how William can't trust his friends not to reveal convo's.
It proves the larger part of Spare, the family is willing to leak and speak, as long as they have a cloak or cover. And some could say that, well, William was just talking to a friend but you would think that he would be shrewd enough to know what to say to people and what not to say, in case of things like this. Something of this level, should've been kept within the family -if spoken at all.
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Since the release of Spare, they've proven his entire point. If people are going to say whatever, leak whatever. I think it's fine but don't get mad him for playing the game and being willing to put a face to that play.
Who claimed that royal reporters didn?t have sources that tell them what happens with members of the RF? Harry?s claim is that the RF intentionally put out false stories about him to make him look bad and then when Meghan came on, that she was so popular that the RF had to make up bad stories about her because otherwise she would just outshine everyone. Which is an interesting contradiction from the way he also claims the British media despised her; just not sure which one it is in the end.
Harry?s book actually proved that the majority of what was printed by these royal reporters that he claims lie all the time was actually true.
The difference is perspective. Harry believes that everything he says is true and anyone who thinks differently is a liar and a saboteur. I can?t say whether William is a liar or not. But what I do know is that if everyone says they have a problem with you, then you?re probably the problematic person, not everyone else.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on April 11, 2023, 09:05:03 PM
Who claimed that royal reporters didn?t have sources that tell them what happens with members of the RF? Harry?s claim is that the RF intentionally put out false stories about him to make him look bad and then when Meghan came on, that she was so popular that the RF had to make up bad stories about her because otherwise she would just outshine everyone. Which is an interesting contradiction from the way he also claims the British media despised her; just not sure which one it is in the end.
Harry?s book actually proved that the majority of what was printed by these royal reporters that he claims lie all the time was actually true.
The difference is perspective. Harry believes that everything he says is true and anyone who thinks differently is a liar and a saboteur. I can?t say whether William is a liar or not. But what I do know is that if everyone says they have a problem with you, then you?re probably the problematic person, not everyone else.
We know members of the RF are capable of employing spin doctors and others because of Charles?s use of Mark Bolland as a spin doctor to rehabilitate Camilla?s reputation and make himself look better. Bolland did such a good job of casting other members of the Royal Family in the shade (including William and Harry, his own sons) that Charles?s siblings complained to the Queen, who in fact asserted herself for once and insisted that Bolland be sacked. Charles did so but then re-employed his friend as ?a consultant? some months later. That was a clear case of planting false stories with royal reporters to make one particular family member look better. And remember Harry and William grew up with the Press taking sides about their parents, one side and the other planting stories, and then after Diana?s death, came more spin with Bolland.
And it was and is clear that members of the KP Office are more than capable of planting stories to make William and Kate look wonderful while others not so much so.
Harry didn?t want the Press poking its nose into his and Meghan?s lives. He objected to the racist articles about Meghan and Compton and ?dreadlocked? Doria and ?exotic blood? and appearing on Pornhub before they were married. The tabloids weren?t used to blow-backs about such articles and got their backs up. There were articles about Meghan hugging members of the public. How different from dignified Kate! They were then further offended because of the arrangements for the wedding, with only one of their High and Mightiness royal reporters allowed into St George?s to report it.
Then came the christening arrangements which they regarded as an insult to themselves, in spite of a YouGov poll being taken that showed that most of the British public weren?t bothered about the Sussexes showing the baby off on the steps. So what was all that indignation about? Reporters not being treated as the RF?s special friends who had to be treated with huge respect because after all, they were all ROYAL REPORTERS weren?t they, at least in their own eyes.
From that came huge amounts of subtle and none so subtle stories about Meghan wearing coloured nail polish, Meghan wanting woke things for the nursery, the Sussexes going to bring their children up gender fluid, Meghan doing this, not doing that. Barring neighbouring servants from the estate car park at Windsor. Every day a new bit of shade. And of course let?s not forget the avocados, How cute it was that Kate had William buying her avocados as a gift when she was pregnant, while Meghan making avacados on toast for a friend was enabling the murder of Mexican peasants.
And it was Harry announcing at the end of the SA tour that they had decided to sue the Daily Fail that really set the cat among the pigeons. How dare he and Meghan object to a newspaper printing a private letter from daughter to father. It was a national duty for that newspaper to print such a letter because after all newspapers are gusrdians of doing the right, always!
From then on, all British journalists rose up to defend the brother and sisterhood and the Sussexes never got an even break in any story afterwards. That made the task of Press Officers and others at KP so much easier.
These Cambridges are human beings that could be cast by the Press in a golden light because after all, they played and still play, the game with the Press that the RF and their servants at the Palaces have always played. Giving out stories they knew would always be given the best aspect to. Because of course the other human beings, the Sussexes, didn?t want to play the game and therefore they deserved to be cast into the outer darkness. Contempt of the Press must never, never be shown by any royal again, because they will know what the consequences will be.
^Wow, a book!
You remember late Diana,Princess of Wales says no R or N that not kind appropriate words if Diana was here today from heaven Diana will not happy with Harry?s memoir books but Diana will ignore Harry?s books ever
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Quote from: Curryong on April 12, 2023, 12:17:13 AM
We know members of the RF are capable of employing spin doctors and others because of Charles?s use of Mark Bolland as a spin doctor to rehabilitate Camilla?s reputation and make himself look better. Bolland did such a good job of casting other members of the Royal Family in the shade (including William and Harry, his own sons) that Charles?s siblings complained to the Queen, who in fact asserted herself for once and insisted that Bolland be sacked. Charles did so but then re-employed his friend as ?a consultant? some months later. That was a clear case of planting false stories with royal reporters to make one particular family member look better. And remember Harry and William grew up with the Press taking sides about their parents, one side and the other planting stories, and then after Diana?s death, came more spin with Bolland.
And it was and is clear that members of the KP Office are more than capable of planting stories to make William and Kate look wonderful while others not so much so.
Harry didn?t want the Press poking its nose into his and Meghan?s lives. He objected to the racist articles about Meghan and Compton and ?dreadlocked? Doria and ?exotic blood? and appearing on Pornhub before they were married. The tabloids weren?t used to blow-backs about such articles and got their backs up. There were articles about Meghan hugging members of the public. How different from dignified Kate! They were then further offended because of the arrangements for the wedding, with only one of their High and Mightiness royal reporters allowed into St George?s to report it.
And again, that all comes from Harry?s perspective. And didn?t want to play the game? They?re playing it now. But you?re right about one thing, no, a Royal cannot show contempt for the papers because media is a necessary aspect of what they do. And Harry didn?t want the Palace poking their noses into their lives? Hate to break it to them, but that is kind of what their jobs are. And as I?ve said many, many times, no one would have faulted them if they?d just said, ?You know what? Being a working member of the family just isn?t for us. Thanks for the opportunity, but we?re setting off on our own.?
That is not what they said. They initially did want to continue being working members?part time. That was nixed. That was when they went on the campaign to sell their connection to the family because they actually do love being in the papers. Their issue isn?t being in the papers or media intrusion in their lives or people knowing and seeing their private moments. It?s how they are portrayed by that media that bothers them.
Do the RF employ people to make them look good? Hmm. Let?s think. Yes. What exactly is secretive about this? Harry benefitted from them greatly when he was out gallivanting through town or stripping in front of strangers in Las Vegas or saying racist things about colleagues.
The claim, again, is that the RF purposefully fed bad stories about Meghan to make them look good. I?d be willing to believe that she was an angel come down from Heaven and he was an innocent boy and that they were both treated so so poorly by the RF, if I didn?t have my own eyes and ears to tell me what they?re really about. See, I?ve made up my opinion on them based on their words and their actions. Not what the Daily Mail wrote about them or what the royal reporters say. It?s their hypocrisy and entitlement that makes them unlikeable and their?well, let?s be kind and say ?inconsistencies??that have made me realize who they are and why no one at the Palace liked working with them.
I think they thought if they set off and took control of their own narrative without the mean, evil Palace at the helm, that the whole world would adore them and finally, their side would vindicate them. We?ve seen how that panned out. Maybe, just maybe, there?s no conspiracy to make them seem unlikeable. Maybe they just are unlikeable.
Their SussexRoyal website had a bunch of demands, none of it stood. They started deleting one by one.
Quote from: wannable on April 12, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
Their SussexRoyal website had a bunch of demands, none of it stood. They started deleting one by one.
I can't post the before and after image, it's too large, and I refuse to transcribe. The only item left of the 30 (deleted) is Harry preliminary hearing fighting IPP status with Home Office. Will it won't it go to court is still pending.
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'I was exasperated': Prince Harry's ghostwriter J.R Moehringer tells of tensions between them while working on Spare and reveals their relationship became so fraught that he shouted at the royal in row at 2am
'I was exasperated': Prince Harry's Spare ghostwriter J.R Moehringer tells of tensions between them | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12060033/I-exasperated-Prince-Harrys-Spare-ghostwriter-J-R-Moehringer-tells-tensions-them.html)
Original article: NY Times
Instead of posting just the daily mail spin on the mans words, it'd be good to post the actual article.
The part that became a daily mail headline.
Notes from Prince Harry?s Ghostwriter | The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/15/j-r-moehringer-ghostwriter-prince-harry-memoir-spare)
"Harry always wanted to end this scene with a thing he said to his captors, a comeback that struck me as unnecessary, and somewhat inane. Good for Harry that he had the nerve, but ending with what he said would dilute the scene?s meaning: that even at the most bizarre and peripheral moments of his life, his central tragedy intrudes. For months, I?d been crossing out the comeback, and for months Harry had been pleading for it to go back in. Now he wasn?t pleading, he was insisting, and it was 2 a.m., and I was starting to lose it. I said, ?Dude, we?ve been over this.?
Why was this one line so important? Why couldn?t he accept my advice? We were leaving out a thousand other things?that?s half the art of memoir, leaving stuff out?so what made this different? Please, I said, trust me. Trust the book.
Although this wasn?t the first time that Harry and I had argued, it felt different; it felt as if we were hurtling toward some kind of decisive rupture, in part because Harry was no longer saying anything. He was just glaring into the camera. Finally, he exhaled and calmly explained that, all his life, people had belittled his intellectual capabilities, and this flash of cleverness proved that, even after being kicked and punched and deprived of sleep and food, he had his wits about him.
?Oh,? I said. ?O.K.? It made sense now. But I still refused.
?Why??
Because, I told him, everything you just said is about you. You want the world to know that you did a good job, that you were smart. But, strange as it may seem, memoir isn?t about you. It?s not even the story of your life. It?s a story carved from your life, a particular series of events chosen because they have the greatest resonance for the widest range of people, and at this point in the story those people don?t need to know anything more than that your captors said a cruel thing about your mom.
Harry looked down. A long time. Was he thinking? Seething? Should I have been more diplomatic? Should I have just given in? I imagined I?d be thrown off the book soon after sunup. I could almost hear the awkward phone call with Harry?s agent, and I was sad. Never mind the financial hit?I was focussed on the emotional shock. All the time, the effort, the intangibles I?d invested in Harry?s memoir, in Harry, would be gone just like that.
After what seemed like an hour, Harry looked up, and we locked eyes. ?O.K.,? he said.
?O.K.??
?Yes. I get it.?
?Thank you, Harry,? I said, relieved.
He shot me a mischievous grin. ?I really enjoy getting you worked up like that.?
I burst into laughter and shook my head, and we moved on to his next set of edits."
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It's a wonderful article with great insight.
I'm also glad that once he got a taste of what Harry's been through, how the media out-right lies and stalks people, he was able to understand people even more. I'm also glad how he called out TX Maxx and how they rushed to de-cry Harry, only for the world to push back, show them to be liars and how he pointed out that TX MAXX had ties to the Charles Trust.
I am very glad when the original article is printed with regard to articles about Harry. The DM always puts a poisonous spin on everything he and Meghan do so it?s good when the true state of affairs is shown.
Notes from Prince Harry?s Ghostwriter | The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/15/j-r-moehringer-ghostwriter-prince-harry-memoir-spare)
^I don?t know if this is the place to discuss it, but since the article is mainly about his experience ghost writing Harry?s biography, I wonder about the merits of the practice. They?re partially Harry?s words, but not fully. I gotta admit, I don?t tend to like the majority of autobiographies because it takes a rare individual to be introspective and honest enough about themselves for me to find much worth in them to understand the person. There have been some standouts though.
I think I much prefer biographies where the author speaks to all different people that knew the person, analyzes their actions, uses some of their own words and paints a picture. Because that tends to be a more honest portrayal of the person than most could muster of themselves.
And part of the reason (small part) why I didn?t read the book was because I felt the author to be a poor one. A saccharine, cliched, and juvenile voice. But now I feel that this was maybe because of the subject not necessarily because of him.
Neil Sean last night questioned how much involvement Meghan had with Together: Our Community Cookbook. He disclosed that the then Duchess of Cornwall (Queen Camilla) invited Meghan, Harry and any friends she wanted to include in a family lunch. The invitation was accepted, Camilla ordered the kitchen to do the Together: Our Community Cookbook recipes as a detail of friendship, welcome to the fam, acknowledgement, positives and the sort.
Meghan didn't mention, recognize the foods served. Neil Sean said Camilla told Meghan at the end of the lunch party the recipes, unresponsive poker face.
Neil Sean is using the above alleged encounter as an example of deceitful Harry, in Spare.
Quote from: wannable on May 12, 2023, 04:55:32 PM
Neil Sean last night questioned how much involvement Meghan had with Together: Our Community Cookbook. He disclosed that the then Duchess of Cornwall (Queen Camilla) invited Meghan, Harry and any friends she wanted to include in a family lunch. The invitation was accepted, Camilla ordered the kitchen to do the Together: Our Community Cookbook recipes as a detail of friendship, welcome to the fam, acknowledgement, positives and the sort.
Meghan didn't mention, recognize the foods served. Neil Sean said Camilla told Meghan at the end of the lunch party the recipes, unresponsive poker face.
Neil Sean is using the above alleged encounter as an example of deceitful Harry, in Spare.
We know that Meghan had plenty of involvement in the Together cookbook. The reason, several women involved in the project said so. They had no need to lie. She organised the publishing of the cookbook, it couldn?t have got into the marketplace if it hadn?t been for her.
And where did Sean get this piece of gossip second or third hand from anyway, Clarkson, Morgan, other of Camilla?s journalist friends? Funny it?s come out now, about three years after the cookbook?s publication. Sounds like dismantling by journalists of every single thing Meghan did when in the royal family bit by bit to me, because the Sussexes are suing the media by which journalists get their living, and because of ?Spare?, which of course Camilla is annoyed about.
That book contained dozens of recipes. The lunch probably served three courses at the most. Was Meghan supposed to instantly recognise each one and start raving about it? We don?t know in what context Meghan was ?poker face? or what motive Camilla really had in holding that lunch. Meghan could very well have mistrusted Camilla, whom Harry in particular didn?t like very much.
After all, Camilla had invited Diana to lunch before she had married Charles in 1981. The reason? Specifically to snoop out whether Diana would be going hunting after her marriage. When she found out she wouldn?t be, she was probably cock a hoop as we know that she and Charles used hunting with the Belvoir to rendezvous. That?s the sort of person she was and is.
Whatever she tries to say or do, nothing on this earth will wipe out how Camilla behaved before and during Charles?s first marriage, and she knows it. A large section of the British public dislike her because of that behaviour. I wouldn?t trust her an inch either.
Something is cooking :hehe:
No, it?s Neil Sean?s rubbish. Just more of the same.
That?s not exactly a ?gotcha? though, if that story is even true. I never thought Meghan was heavily involved with that cookbook in the same way I don?t think anyone in the RF is heavily involved in the day to day work of their charities. Maybe it?s just cynical me, but I always assumed they showed up to cut the ribbon 90% of the time?not that that?s an issue. It?s what they?re there for. They?re the popular face that gets attention for the good cause, they?re not toiling away behind the scenes.
Their biggest asset is the attention they receive. There is then an attempt to have that attention be some good publicity for the event/organization. I can?t imagine how many lunches Meghan and Harry had with Camilla considering how much Harry despises her to be honest. Unless Charles was actually the one hosting.
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The Bench has now been translated into Korean
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This weekend, thanks to the decades of effort by Coach Sandoval, Uvalde Dual Language Academy will get a new playground.
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details how meeting with Meghan Markle and a suggestion from The Archewell Foundation led to the school's dream playground.
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?She won me over that day. Her gentleness, her empathy, everything ? just seeing her make eye contact, getting on her knees, crying. It was just such a great experience for me to see being that I didn?t really know her,? Sandoval said.
While Sandoval didn?t know it at the time, her remarks to Markle?s staff led to new playgrounds at De Leon Park, Esperanza Park, and soon, at her school, the fulfillment of an over-two decade dream."
"The city of Uvalde, the Archewell Foundation and KABOOM! worked together Ocober 13-15, 2022, to transform De Leon Park, the first in a series of projects. Next on the roster was Esperanza Park, redone April 18-20, and the upcoming UDLA build next weekend. The CarMax Foundation funded the playground at Esperanza Park. The Community Foundation Uvalde Forever Fund, Bank of America, San Antonio Spurs, and the San Antonio Area Foundation contributed funding for the UDLA build set Saturday."
I am glad to see The Bench doing so well. I believe it?s been translated into several languages now. And also great to see Nigerian competitors so eager and enthusiastic to get into cycling for their team.
So many projects too! These playgrounds, thanks to Archewell, Kaboom! and other organisations will be a real blessing to kids and their parents for years to come. It?s great that Meghan really promoted this.
Was the book translated for her husband, her family only. That is what it seems to be rather than available for South Koreans.
ETA: I'm asking, because for context she says she translated the 'cover' for her husband, the book is for adults rather than children, she says her own fairy book is better, but the pictures are nice.
And?
Quote from: wannable on May 13, 2023, 12:51:11 PM
Was the book translated for her husband, her family only. That is what it seems to be rather than available for South Koreans.
ETA: I'm asking, because for context she says she translated the 'cover' for her husband, the book is for adults rather than children, she says her own fairy book is better, but the pictures are nice.
The Bench has been translated into 11 languages, including Spanish and Italian. The latest is South Korean. Unless you believe the publishing company is lying.
^ They (Random House) usually announces it with media announcements. Anyway, I didn't mention Random House, I mentioned the instagramer.
Quote from: Nightowl on May 14, 2023, 03:17:41 AM
And?
Can you provide some other clarification than "And?"
If you're referencing The Bench, I realize I might've put it in the wrong thread as it's related to books of the Sussex's but I posted it because I felt like it.
If you're referencing the post about Allianceofmoms I also posted that because I felt like it as well as Alliance is a charity and they posted about Meghan.