Poll
Question:
Do you think Andrew will be stripped of his HRH status?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 8
Option 2: No
votes: 12
I've been watching the royals for decades. If the Queen is in fact in charge at the Palace I do not see this happening.
Even if Charles is in charge, I wonder if he'll go to this extreme?
I think ir's unlikely happens. But that should happen - ASAP!
Andrew was born HRH I highly doubt he will lose this style as even The Duke of Windsor after the abdication was given the style as his birthright.
Quote from: Trudie on December 01, 2019, 06:33:29 PM
Andrew was born HRH I highly doubt he will lose this style as even The Duke of Windsor after the abdication was given the style as his birthright.
:goodpost: I agree with you, Trudie.
^dont changes it's what should happens.
In my opinion his family (especially his mother) is the one group who should support him right now, and that doesn't mean they think that what he did is ok. It just means he's still part of the family.
Thread to discuss Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein[/color
Prince Andrew called his 'victim' Virginia Roberts 'a very sick girl' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7956361/Prince-Andrew-called-victim-Virginia-Roberts-sick-girl.html)
Four of Jeffrey Epstein's victims write an open letter to the Duke | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7956405/Four-Jeffrey-Epsteins-victims-write-open-letter-Duke.html)
ELIZABETH DAY: Andrew's cancer 'joke' was bad enough | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7956403/ELIZABETH-DAY-Andrews-cancer-joke-bad-enough.html)
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Prince Andrew ?called ?victim? Virginia Roberts ?a very sick girl? a day after she revealed Jeffrey Epstein sex abuse? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/10872655/prince-andrew-called-virginia-roberts-very-sick-girl/)
Prince Andrew, the Epstein sleaze will not go away because you stay schtum ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10868220/epstein-sleaze-prince-andrew-lorraine-kelly/)
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Prince Andrew accuses US prosecutors of 'failing to play with a straight bat' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/02/01/prince-andrew-accuses-us-prosecutors-failing-play-straight-bat/)
Claims that Prince Andrew failed to respond to FBI likely political, say prosecutors | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/01/claims-that-prince-andrew-failed-to-respond-to-fbi-likely-political-say-prosecutors)
Prince Andrew taunted by sex accuser Virginia Roberts with ?tick tock? jibe | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1236544/prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-Virginia-Roberts-FBI-royal-news)
If he is innocent he should be eager to tell his story. And he should avoid referring to his accuser except in the most respectful of terms. Every time he speaks the hole gets deeper, it seems.
I think it gross that he trashes the woman accusing him. If he really is guilty it's vile.
I wonder if he considers Epstein "sick", He just trashes the woman. Shows his mindset.
Andrew needs an attorney to tell him to just keep his mouth shut.
He is arrogant and his lawyers very likely told him he will never be interviewed by the FBI, victims lawyer or will be served by the court in the USA.
Why, the latest I've heard from a family member who has been working for a magic circle (law firm) 25 plus year, in a top senior position is:
The list of acceptance for Andrew to go forward with a ''formal and official'' request is
Guarantees:
He is collaboration
He wont be jailed
He wont be killed hanged, chocked or any similar, poisoned
The FBI, Court or Victims lawyers pay all the expenses; travel, hotel.
No private bodyguards, the USA must pay for the Secret Service and MI5.
And others in the required list which basically is ''Normal Procedure'' for a Public Profile Person.
Prince Andrew's Bahamas visit to SECOND tycoon facing child sex claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005623/Prince-Andrews-Bahamas-visit-SECOND-tycoon-facing-child-sex-claims.html)
GUY ADAMS: Another luxury jaunt for Prince Andrew... and another tycoon who faces sordid sex claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005577/GUY-ADAMS-luxury-jaunt-Prince-Andrew-tycoon-faces-sordid-sex-claims.html)
Prince Andrew stayed with billionaire accused of raping 10 women - some as young as 14 - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-stayed-billionaire-21500898)
Prince Andrew's visit to second tycoon facing child rape claims as fashion boss Peter Nygard accused of abusing 10 teens (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10967909/millionaire-fashion-exec-peter-nygard-with-feces-fetish-accused-of-raping-teen-girl-and-assaulting-nine-others/)
Andrew's friendships with sleazes and sexual predators rumbles on and on. So long as they have hoards of cash it's never mattered to Andrew, obviously.
He and Charles have quite a little collection already, Epstein, Nygard, Ball, Saville...
Fashion executive accused in rape lawsuit reportedly hosted Prince Andrew at Bahamas estate | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/15/fashion-executive-accused-in-lawsuit-reportedly-hosted-prince-andrew-at-bahamas-estate)
Prince Andrew: Duke stayed with tycoon now facing accusations of rape | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1242827/prince-Andrew-news-latest-peter-nygard-rape-allegations-Bahamas-Jeffrey-Epstein-scandal)
Barclays boss investigated over links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/barclays-boss-investigated-over-links-21493936)
PICTURED: Scantily-clad women dancing at 'nightclub' on fashion exec Peter Nygard's Bahamas compound | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8017695/PICTURED-Scantily-clad-women-dancing-nightclub-fashion-exec-Peter-Nygards-Bahamas-compound.html)
Include the Duke of York more trouble!!
School bus stunt urges Prince Andrew to talk to FBI about Jeffrey Epstein | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/21/lawyer-epstein-victims-prince-andrew-school-bus-buckingham-palace-fbi)
Prince Andrew shamed outside Buckingham Palace by US bus advert urging him to call FBI | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1245645/Prince-Andrew-latest-Jeffrey-Epstein-US-bus-advert-Buckingham-palace-call-FBI)
Prince Andrew again urged by lawyer of Jeffrey Epstein victims to speak to FBI - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-21/prince-andrew-urged-to-speak-to-fbi-again-by-jeffrey-epstein-rape-victim-s-lawyer/)
School bus urging Prince Andrew to call the FBI spotted outside Buckingham Palace - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/school-bus-urging-prince-andrew-21547855)
Huge poster urging Prince Andrew to call FBI driven around Buckingham Palace on bus in stunt by Epstein victims' lawyer (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11013139/prince-andrew-poster-bus-buckingham-palace/)
Have to say that I find this a brilliant approach. A bright yellow American style school bus is going to be an eye catching and mobile form of communication in Central London.
^ He was last seen a couple of days ago.
Reportedly senior military would like to see the DoY banned from Trooping the Color.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1231509735842762752)
QuoteThe Duke of York must be banned from the Queen?s Birthday Parade, senior military figures have told @thesundaytimes
Defence sources say Prince Andrew should stay away from Trooping the Colour or risk ?damaging the reputation of the Queen and the monarchy?
What's the point of Andrew being Hon Colonel of the Grenadier Guards, then? He was more or less told to stay away from the regimental dinner to avoid embarrassment, and now this. Trooping is one of the showpieces of the year, when the heir and Royal Dukes ride in the parade of Household regiments. The Guards is a prestigious regiment. Doesn't sound as if senior military brass are too proud of this Honorary Colonel!
My guess is that the DoY believes that at some point he's going to be permitted to return to full time royal duties so why give up the GG? <_<
However I am of the opinion that his elder brother and nephew William might not share that view.
I don't think William is going to call the shots. He's still heir to heir and HM and Charles will do the work.
@sandy-There is a good chance that Prince Andrew inherited his parents' longevity genes and will be alive when his nephew ascends to the throne, so yes William is going to eventually "call the shots."
Not for a long time yet.
Yes I agree it won't be for awhile though I don't know if it will be a "long time" or within the next ten years but he will eventually "call the shots." :shrug:
Former Royal bodyguard casts doubt on Prince Andrew's alibi (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/23/former-royal-bodyguard-casts-doubt-prince-andrews-alibi/)
Royal Family news: Military DEMAND Queen axe 'damaging' Andrew from Trooping the Colour | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1246378/Royal-family-latest-news-queen-elizabeth-II-prince-andrew-update-trooping-the-colour)
Ex-royal protection officer casts doubt on Prince Andrew's 'sex' alibi - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-royal-protection-officer-casts-21561353)
Prince Andrew faces being questioned by the US Virgin Islands? top lawyer ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11027150/prince-andrew-faces-questions-us-virgin-islands-lawyer/)
Good. I hope the RPO gains access to those records through the FOI Act. I doubt he'll succeed somehow because for Andrew there will always be a solid wall of protection. Nevertheless, I live in hope. And if it's proven he was nowhere near Beatrice or pizza restaurants that night then that will be extremely satisfactory, as he will be shown to be a proven liar once again. And there will be consequences.
Quote from: sandy on February 23, 2020, 11:27:58 PM
Not for a long time yet.
No way of knowing that. Charles is a healthy man, but so is Andrew. And in time, regardless of how long it may be, Wiliam will be King and will "call the shots"
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Quote from: Curryong on February 24, 2020, 07:53:05 AM
Good. I hope the RPO gains access to those records through the FOI Act. I doubt he'll succeed somehow because for Andrew there will always be a solid wall of protection. Nevertheless, I live in hope. And if it's proven he was nowhere near Beatrice or pizza restaurants that night then that will be extremely satisfactory, as he will be shown to be a proven liar once again. And there will be consequences.
He may well have been to the Pizza place, with Beatrice.. that was early in the evening and idd not mean that he might not have gone to London later..
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Quote from: TLLK on February 23, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
My guess is that the DoY believes that at some point he's going to be permitted to return to full time royal duties so why give up the GG? <_<
However I am of the opinion that his elder brother and nephew William might not share that view.
Maybe, or he may as he always does, be reluctant to give something up until forced to do so. However I think he will have to resign the colonlelcy at some stage. Possibly he will retain it for the queen's lifetime but not take any part in things.
I think Andrew has not led as healthy a lifestyle (nutrition and exercise) as Charles.
Quote from: sandy on February 24, 2020, 01:24:00 PM
I think Andrew has not led as healthy a lifestyle (nutrition and exercise) as Charles.
What's that got to do with anything?
@sandy and I were discussing the tendency towards the Windsors' longevity in earlier posts and that it was likely that Prince William as the monarch would be "calling the shots" while Andrew is alive.
Quote from: sandy on February 24, 2020, 02:56:49 PM
Everything.
I can't see it. Andrew will have to answer to either Charles or WIliam as his boss, in years to come. either way, I don't believe that they will want him working for the RF...
Prince Andrew faces new court evidence that he DID meet with Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060333/Prince-Andrew-faces-new-court-evidence-DID-meet-Virginia-Roberts.html)
Virginia Roberts praises 'bravery' of former police officer who queried Prince Andrew's alibi | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060343/Virginia-Roberts-praises-bravery-former-police-officer-queried-Prince-Andrews-alibi.html)
Why are Prince Andrew's lawyers such a secret? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060339/Why-Prince-Andrews-lawyers-secret.html)
Jeffrey Epstein's alleged madam Ghislaine Mawell could be hiding in submarine - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeffrey-epsteins-alleged-madam-ghislaine-21607415)
Prince Andrew facing explosive new evidence he did meet Epstein sex slave Virginia Roberts, her lawyer claims ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11072066/prince-andrew-new-evidence-did-meet-epstein-sex-slave/)
Prince Andrew let Caprice sit on Queen?s throne during date at Buckingham Palace ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/11071405/andrew-caprice-buckingham-palace-date-throne/)
Ghislaine 'hiding in a submarine'! What do the tabloids think this is, a James Bond film? I'm perfectly willing to believe that, considering her past, family background and the amount of dirt she undoubtedly has on some well known individuals, that some foreign states (like Israel) and powerful people would be willing to shield and hide her, but let's not get to ridiculous levels! I'm reminded of one of our PMs in the 1960s who disappeared when swimming and one wild theory was that he'd been picked up by a Chinese sub!
I agree
@Curryong Ghislaine has money and connections I am willing to bet she is living off the grid and hiding in plain sight. As for Andrew if he is innocent as he says he is why not cooperate with authorities to clear his name?. The longer he drags this out the more damage he is doing to his family and the Monarchy.
Quote from: QueenAlex on February 24, 2020, 03:48:34 PM
I can't see it. Andrew will have to answer to either Charles or WIliam as his boss, in years to come. either way, I don't believe that they will want him working for the RF...
He should be answering to his mother now. She's still in charge. It will take quite a while for William to be "boss".
Quote from: sandy on March 01, 2020, 02:06:58 PM
He should be answering to his mother now. She's still in charge. It will take quite a while for William to be "boss".
The QUeen has ordered him to step down form work and he's doing that. Eventaully Charles wil be boss, and then William
Royal news: How Prince Andrew broke all royal protocol during Palace escapade with Caprice | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1249299/royal-family-news-prince-andrew-queen-elizabeh-ii-caprice-princess-beatrice)
Prince Andrew 'allowed Caprice to sit on Queen's throne' during palace visit - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/prince-andrew-allowed-caprice-sit-21607975)
Prince Andrew hires General Pinochet's former lawyer as he fights FBI Epstein probe (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/03/06/prince-andrews-legal-team-revealed-fights-fbi-epstein-probe/)
Prince Andrew 'recruits extradition lawyer once used by Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8086575/Prince-Andrew-recruits-extradition-lawyer-used-Chilean-dictator-Augusto-Pinochet.html)
Prince Andrew won't voluntarily cooperate in Epstein inquiry, prosecutor says | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/09/prince-andrew-will-not-voluntarily-cooperate-epstein-investigation-lawyer-says)
If he is guilty and he cooperates he might get some leniency. This is a bad idea for him to do this.
Prince Andrew has 'shut the door on Jeffrey Epstein probe' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8092839/Prince-Andrew-shut-door-Jeffrey-Epstein-probe.html)
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Prince Andrew has ?completely shut the door? on helping Epstein probe, say US prosecutors who are ?considering options? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11134000/prince-andrew-has-shut-the-door-on-co-operating-with-epstein-probe-say-us-prosecutors-who-say-other-options-ope/)
Quote from: sandy on March 09, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
If he is guilty and he cooperates he might get some leniency. This is a bad idea for him to do this.
he has not been charged with a crime...
Prince Andrew 'Has Completely Shut the Door' For Epstein Probe | PEOPLE.com | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-has-completely-shut-the-door-on-working-with-prosecutors-on-jeffrey-epstein-probe/)
Prince Andrew has 'completely shut the door' on Jeffrey Epstein investigation, prosecutor claims (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/03/09/prince-andrew-has-completely-shut-door-jeffrey-epstein-investigation/)
Prince Andrew: Epstein investigators 'considering options' as duke 'shuts door' on co-operation | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-not-co-operating-with-epstein-inquiry-us-investigators-say-11953969)
Prince Andrew 'completely shuts door on cooperating with Epstein investigation' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-completely-shuts-door-21662321)
Quote from: QueenAlex on March 09, 2020, 09:19:48 PM
he has not been charged with a crime...
I am saying IF he is found guilty or if he does a plea bargain. He is still refusing to cooperate which is not a good thing.
Prince Andrew has "shut the door" on voluntary cooperation in Epstein investigation, prosecutors say - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-has-shut-the-door-on-voluntary-cooperation-in-epstein-investigation-2020-03-09/)
Prince Andrew 'shut the door' on Epstein investigation, prosecutor says - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/uk/prince-andrew-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl/index.html)
The prosecutors might be 'exploring their options' but it's quite unclear what exactly they can do if a reluctant Prince refuses to cooperate. It just shows though that all the guff that he and BP came up with about Andrew being SO willing and eager to facilitate US enquiries was just a load of hot air. That's something Andrew's always had tons of. He's a sort of blimp in human form!
Quote from: sandy on March 10, 2020, 12:35:39 AM
I am saying IF he is found guilty or if he does a plea bargain. He is still refusing to cooperate which is not a good thing.
he can hardly be found guilty if he has not been charged with a crime
Quote from: QueenAlex on March 09, 2020, 09:19:48 PM
he has not been charged with a crime...
Even if he is not charged with any crime at the moment, then Andrew should NOT have volunteered to cooperate with the law to begin with. This makes him look like the very *Hypocrite* he is! Someone who only thinks of his needs and not anyone else for they do not matter to him as he has shown. Poor excuse of a man and father!
Quote from: Nightowl on March 10, 2020, 10:38:32 AM
Even if he is not charged with any crime at the moment, then Andrew should NOT have volunteered to cooperate with the law to begin with. This makes him look like the very *Hypocrite* he is! Someone who only thinks of his needs and not anyone else for they do not matter to him as he has shown. Poor excuse of a man and father!
No but I don't think he is going to be charged with a crime. If they had anything, they would have said it by now... but he had offered to cooperate with trying to help give them information about Epstein and what he had seen of his lifestyle. I think that he was pushed into that by his advisers, who alos told him to make some statement of sympathy for the victims. But they probably hoped it would not come to anyting?
Court Circular 9th March:
Buckingham Palace
The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh were represented by Lieutenant Colonel Sir Andrew Ford (Extra Equerry to The Queen and formerly Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain?s Office) at the Service of Thanksgiving for the Life of Lieutenant Colonel Sir Malcolm Ross (Extra Equerry to The Queen and formerly Her Majesty?s Lord-Lieutenant of the Stewartry of Kirkcudbright and Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain?s Office) which was held in St George?s Chapel, Windsor Castle, this morning.
The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall were represented by the Earl of Rosslyn.
The Duke of York was present.
The Princess Royal was represented by the Hon Dame Sh?n Legge-Bourke.
The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester were present.
The Duke and Duchess of Kent were represented by Brigadier Harry Nickerson.
Princess Alexandra, the Hon Lady Ogilvy was represented by Mrs Diane Duke.
The Queen's latest misstep with regard to Andrew. A CNN piece.
The Queen is making her most serious misstep here (opinion) - CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/11/opinions/prince-andrew-epstein-cooperation-queen-elizabeth-prince/index.html)
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Quote from: QueenAlex on March 09, 2020, 09:19:48 PM
he has not been charged with a crime...
No he hasn't yet been charged with a crime. Neither have Meghan or Harry. In fact with them it's plain they've never done anything criminal. However the way they have been treated here by posters on forums like these one would think they had indeed done something horrendous.
The difference between the way Andrew has been written about here by most posters and the way the Sussexes are viewed has been glaring.
Perhaps the answer to being Teflon coated where others are concerned is be a corrupt sleaze and hang about with child molesterers, when questioned about it on TV lie your socks off and then later hire high priced lawyers to avoid any US extradition, and you'll do fine. Damage and embarrass the monarchy and you keep your HRH and your mother the Queen will step up for you. And in Royal forms? A few posts saying half heartedly that Andrew has 'probably' done wrong but has committed no crime.
On the other hand, Re the Sussexes ---decide you want to leave the RF and live in another country after tabloid persecution in which not one other senior Royal helped you in any way, and when you wish to leave royal duties and make your own money, see your grandmother the Queen place many barriers and restrictions in your way, and in the eyes of many posters in Royal forums it's as if the heavens have opened, you've asked for the earth and you are greedy, manipulative, deceitful, nasty to the monarch, and everything else damning that can be thought of.
Unbelievable, really.
Prince Andrew hires PR man who advised VIPs falsely accused of child sex abuse (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/03/10/prince-andrew-hires-pr-man-advised-vips-falsely-accused-child/)
I think Andrew is wasting his time. His mother will protect him in any case whether or not he did anything.
Quote from: sandy on March 13, 2020, 05:51:02 PM
I think Andrew is wasting his time. His mother will protect him in any case whether or not he did anything.
Right, this scandal is not going away and will always be a subscript to his name. History has a habit of labeling people.
Prince Andrew 'refuses to appear on US documentary to discuss friendship with Jeffrey Epstein' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186297/Prince-Andrew-refuses-appear-documentary-discuss-friendship-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
The more I read about Prince Andrew and his friendship with Jeffery Epstein makes me wonder if Andrew knows more then he might realize and could be a bit weary of ending up like his friend in prison. After years and time and women together Andrew is a sitting duck for the very people that he associated with during that time period. I would be very weary also for with that woman Gishaline Maxwell in hiding all this time shows maybe it is not the FBI that is wanting to talk to her but the very same people that she and Andrew knew are wanting to make sure things are swept under the rug and nobody talks about that lifestyle and what was done to those young girls.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on March 21, 2020, 01:24:38 AM
Right, this scandal is not going away and will always be a subscript to his name. History has a habit of labeling people.
I have a feeling that his elder brother and nephew will definitely remember this time and will hopefully ensure that Prince Andrew is "retired."
Prince Andrew will reportedly not be interviewed in Epstein documentary | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/04/prince-andrew-reportedly-not-interviewed-jeffrey-epstein-documentary)
Quote from: sara8150 on April 05, 2020, 04:08:16 AM
Prince Andrew will reportedly not be interviewed in Epstein documentary | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/04/prince-andrew-reportedly-not-interviewed-jeffrey-epstein-documentary)
He is so hoping to distance himself, but then again who can blame him for refusing. There may still be legal ramifications, and his attorneys would have told him not to. Also, he knows that what he says in interviews doesn't go over well.
Amanda Thirsk, the Duke of Yorks former private secretary, has resigned as CEO of his flagship business venture, Pitch@Palace (which is to be rebranded as Pitch Connect), two months after reaching a legal settlement to leave Buckingham Palace
- Sky News
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on April 07, 2020, 03:28:41 PM
Amanda Thirsk, the Duke of Yorks former private secretary, has resigned as CEO of his flagship business venture, Pitch@Palace (which is to be rebranded as Pitch Connect), two months after reaching a legal settlement to leave Buckingham Palace
- Sky News
His bad news goes on and on, it seems. This certainly doesn't reflect well on him.
Prince Andrew ignores three formal requests to be interviewed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8281419/Prince-Andrew-ignores-three-formal-requests-interviewed.html)
Of course Andrew refuses to be interviewed. He's quite happy sheltering behind his mother's skirts and not going to the US for the foreseeable future. He's virtually got away with his grubby activities.
Strictly professional business/lawyer, I'd have recommended the same, don't go. Epstein was killed, what guarantees does Andrew have to come back to the UK alive and well?
Quote from: wannable on May 03, 2020, 02:06:43 PM
Strictly professional business/lawyer, I'd have recommended the same, don't go. Epstein was killed, what guarantees does Andrew have to come back to the UK alive and well?
Epstein committed suicide.
Quote from: sara8150 on May 03, 2020, 04:13:14 AM
Prince Andrew ignores three formal requests to be interviewed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8281419/Prince-Andrew-ignores-three-formal-requests-interviewed.html)
I'm sure he was advised by his legal representatives not to go, but it sure makes him look worse. One thing for sure; the COVID crisis has pushed this scandal into the background for now.
Originally in The Sunday Times. Roya Nikkhah reports Prince Andrew is done as a working royal.
Royal family decides there is no way back for Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373635/Royal-family-decides-no-way-Prince-Andrew.html)
Not surprising, Andrew alone was planning his comeback by hiring a PR person.
The Sunday Times also claims the Queen will pay the remaining debt of the Swiss Chalet, she settled the matter for the York's. She doesn't want to see her son being dragged in a court case for the GBP 6.5 Million.
A spokesman for Andrew denied the Queen's involvement in the chalet debt last night, saying: The Queen will not be stepping in to settle the debt.
- Daily Mail
The latest, thanks :thumbsup:
But I have the feeling she will end up settling. The BRF settle all their members. The sovereign in family matters has settled debts in the past.
Royal family decides there is no way back for Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373635/Royal-family-decides-no-way-Prince-Andrew.html)
Prince Andrew 'will never resume official duties' after stepping back over Epstein links - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-will-never-resume-22114872)
?Toxic? Prince Andrew ?to retire from public duty permanently after Epstein scandal as Queen can?t see way back for him? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11749125/prince-andrew-public-duty-epstein-queen/)
Obviously this all makes sense - I, for one, don't expect to seem him doing royal work in future. Even before the scandal he was not well liked or respected. However, can we assume this is true, or is it typical media hype.
Who Killed Jeffrey Epstein? | Watch Full Episodes & More! - Investigation Discovery (https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/who-killed-jeffrey-epstein/)
Include Duke of York
And also Netflix Jeffrey Epstein called ?Jeffrey Epstein:Filthy Rich? if you?re subscribe of Netflix
Check out ?Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich? on Netflix
Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich | Netflix Official Site (https://www.netflix.com/title/80224905?s=i&trkid=0)
Major development.
The US has officially demanded Britain hand over Prince Andrew to be quizzed over his links to billionaire paedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein.
And in a bombshell move, the Department of Justice has formally told the UK the Duke of York is now caught up in a criminal probe for the first time
Prince Andrew 'faces court quiz over paedo pal Epstein within weeks' after US demands UK hand him over (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11805488/prince-andrew-quizzed-over-jeffrey-epstein-links/)
Yes Yes Yes! Hope and pray that this is true and also that Ghislaine Maxwell is charged with something. She knows a lot about Epstein operations and I can't understand why she hasn't been arrested.
It may happen via an exchange. Andrew for Anna S the wife of the US diplomat. The US said they won't extradite her to the UK. The UK will do the same for Andrew.
DOJ demands Prince Andrew be made available for questioning about his links to Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8397161/DOJ-demands-Prince-Andrew-available-questioning-links-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Prince Andrew's Jeffrey Epstein Interview Nominated for BAFTA | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrews-epstein-interview-nominated-for-bafta-of-which-prince-william-is-president/)
Andrews Lawyers statement today
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'The Duke of York has on at least three occasions this year offered his assistance as a witness': Full statement by Andrew's legal firm Blackfords
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In January 2020, Blackfords LLP and instructed counsel, Clare Montgomery QC and Stephen Ferguson, were commissioned to support HRH The Duke of York in his desire to provide co-operation to the US authorities regarding the victims of the late Jeffrey Epstein, should those authorities request his assistance. The working group is supported by Riverside Advisory on media relations.
To date, we have chosen not to make any public statement regarding our discussions with the US Department of Justice (DOJ). Our commitment to confidentiality is not only regarded as best practice in the UK but is also intended to respect the DOJ's commitment to confidentiality, as set out in its own rules as they apply to discussions with potential witnesses.
However, in view of misleading media briefings, we owe it to our client to issue this clarifying statement.
As the public record indicates the DOJ has been actively investigating Mr Epstein and other targets for more than 16 years, yet the first time they requested the Duke's help was on 2nd January 2020.
Importantly, the DOJ advised us that the Duke is not and has never been a 'target' of their criminal investigations into Epstein and that they sought his confidential, voluntary co-operation.
In the course of these discussions, we asked the DOJ to confirm that our co-operation and any interview arrangements would remain confidential, in accordance with the ordinary rules that apply to voluntary co-operation with the DOJ. We were given an unequivocal assurance that our discussions and the interview process would remain confidential.
The Duke of York has on at least three occasions this year offered his assistance as a witness to the DOJ. Unfortunately, the DOJ has reacted to the first two offers by breaching their own confidentiality rules and claiming that the Duke has offered zero co-operation. In doing so, they are perhaps seeking publicity rather than accepting the assistance proffered.
On 27th January 2020, Mr Geoffrey S Berman, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, chose to make a public statement about the Duke. This led to worldwide media reports that there had been 'a wall of silence' and that there had been 'zero co-operation' by the Duke. These statements were inaccurate, and they should not have been made.
On 9th March 2020, Mr Berman made further public statements saying that the Duke had 'completely shut the door' on co-operating with the US investigation and that they are now 'considering' further options. Again, the first statement was inaccurate and should not have been made.
It is a matter of regret that the DOJ has seen fit to breach its own rules of confidentiality, not least as they are designed to encourage witness co-operation. Far from our client acting above the law, as has been implied by press briefings in the US, he is being treated by a lower standard than might reasonably be expected for any other citizen. Further, those same breaches of confidentiality by the DOJ have given the global media - and, therefore, the worldwide audience - an entirely misleading account of our discussions with them.
Any pursuit of an application for mutual legal assistance would be disappointing, since the Duke of York is not a target of the DOJ investigation and has recently repeated his willingness to provide a witness statement. It is hoped that this third offer has not been the cause of the most recent leak about the Duke of York. We do not intend to make any further public statement at this time as we wish to respect the rules of confidentiality under both English law and the US guidelines.
If this is true, the witness may no longer be valid in the court. US Law, witnesses, prosecuters, lawyers are not allowed to speak about it to anyone until court date.
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New York prosecutors refute Prince Andrew's claim that he cooperated with their Epstein probe | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8400133/New-York-prosecutors-refute-Prince-Andrews-claim-cooperated-Epstein-probe.html)
Jeffrey Epstein: Judge refuses to release grand jury records | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399589/Palm-Beach-judge-refuses-release-records-Epstein-case-three-ties-closed.html)
Harry Dunn's family urge Prince Andrew to submit to US questioning over Jeffrey Epstein friendship | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8398567/Harry-Dunns-family-urge-Prince-Andrew-submit-questioning-Jeffrey-Epstein-friendship.html)
Epstein victims' lawyer Gloria Allred tells Prince Andrew it's time to stop the 'cat and mouse game' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399257/Epstein-victims-lawyer-Gloria-Allred-tells-Prince-Andrew-time-stop-cat-mouse-game.html)
Now Prince Andrew is fighting fire with fire... but at what price to the monarchy? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8400295/Now-Prince-Andrew-fighting-fire-fire-price-monarchy.html)
Prince Andrew breaks silence on claims he refused to assist in Jeffrey Epstein investigation | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2020060891177/prince-andrew-breaks-silence-epstein-claims/)
Federal Prosecutors Make Official Request Talk to Prince Andrew | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/federal-prosecutors-make-official-request-to-talk-to-prince-andrew-amid-epstein-investigation/)
Thank you
@sara8150 for keeping us updated.
Prince Andrew 'offered to help Jeffrey Epstein prosecutors' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52969699)
The statement that marked the start of Prince Andrew's meticulously-planned fightback (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/06/08/statement-marked-start-prince-andrews-meticulously-planned-fightback/)
Prince Andrew won't be extradited to US over Jeffrey Epstein, says attorney general | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-wont-be-extradited-to-us-over-jeffrey-epstein-says-attorney-general-12003119)
No plans to extradite Prince Andrew over Epstein case, US says | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/08/prince-andrew-lawyers-accuse-us-doj-misleading-public-over-epstein-case)
Prince Andrew 'sought to falsely portray himself' - US lawyer hits back at statement | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1293152/prince-andrew-latest-jeffrey-epstein-statement-investigation)
Prince Andrew lawyers hit back after DOJ says Duke refused to help on Epstein case | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1293039/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-investigation-department-of-justice-statement-response-royal)
Prince Andrew's lawyers say he offered to help US officials three times in inquiry into Jeffrey Epstein - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/prince-andrew-s-lawyers-say-he-offered-to-help-us-officials-three-times-in-inquiry-into-jeffrey-epstein/)
Prince Andrew hits back at US prosecutors over Jeffrey Epstein claims - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-08/prince-andrew-hits-back-at-us-prosecutors-over-jeffrey-epstein-claims/)
Prince Andrew issues scathing statement accusing US of 'breaching his confidentiality' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-breaks-silence-22157387)
Piers Morgan says Prince Andrew should take accountability for abuse allegations - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/piers-morgan-says-prince-andrew-22155220)
Prince Andrew issues scathing statement accusing US of 'breaching his confidentiality' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-breaks-silence-22157387)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11814586/epstein-prosecutor-prince-andrew-latest/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-strongly-criticises-us-investigators-saying-they-are-seeking-publicity-144144/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-the-united-states-formally-demands-that-the-uk-hands-over-prince-andrew-for-questioning-144085/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/uk/prince-andrew-us-doj-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl/index.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-doj-request-questioning-jeffrey-epstein-uk-under-mutual-legal-assistance-treaty/
'Bewildered' Prince Andrew's standoff with US lawmen | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404119/Bewildered-Prince-Andrews-Mexican-standoff-lawmen.html)
16 years and the FBI/DOJ are stuck. They want Andrew, but untouch Clinton and Trump who have triple amount of pictures with Epstein's girls, and live in that country?! The Epstein Netflix protects Clington and slams Trump and Andrew. So if you are willing to watch it, highly favors the left.
Social Media is calling the DOJ, Department of Joke.
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EDIT TO ADD: Disclaimer, playing the devils' advocate. The DOJ for all purpose and intent are highly insisting on Andrew, but no word or position to have Clinton/Trump or any other high profile person publicly known and related to Epstein. So the woke generation came up with the Department of Joke.
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Three times in the last six months, Berman has accused Andrew and his lawyers of refusing to co-operate with the Department of Justice?s request that he make a witness statement. Andrew and his team have said nothing ? until now.
?Berman has actively misled the global media and the global audience,? my source alleges. ?The Duke?s legal team has dozens of email exchanges with the Southern District, proving that there has been full co-operation.?
Prince Andrew fires back at Department of Justice | Spectator USA (https://spectator.us/prince-andrew-waiting-hear-doj-epstein/?fbclid=IwAR1Uc-nOqyIuCVh1UNs6o7EWQMLRsLU4btvRHm0LLiahjQ9WrOGdu12NVmY)
The US Spectator, @copyrights purchased by all the British Media. Apparently the DM is getting hold of 'various' emails that the DOY legal team had exchanged with the US DOJ and its lawyers. Front page news today.
Update good news!! And finally arrested but she cant hide
Ghislaine Maxwell is ARRESTED in New Hampshire | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483581/Ghislaine-Maxwell-ARRESTED.html)
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Ghislaine Maxwell, Former Jeffrey Epstein Companion, Is Arrested | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-former-jeffrey-epstein-companion-arrested/)
Jeffrey Epstein ex-girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell arrested by FBI - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53268218)
Jeffrey Epstein confidante Ghislaine Maxwell 'arrested in US by FBI' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-us-fbi/)
Ghislaine Maxwell charged over sexual exploitation of underage girls by Jeffrey Epstein | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-long-time-friend-of-jeffrey-epstein-arrested-by-fbi-report-12019680)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrested by FBI on charges related to Jeffrey Epstein | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-charges-latest-fbi)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrested by FBI as socialite linked with Epstein charged by US Attorney | World | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1304187/Ghislaine-Maxwell-arrested-jeffrey-epstein-FBI-police)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrested on charges related to Jeffrey Epstein, FBI says | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-on-charges-related-to-jeffrey-epstein-fbi-says)
Jeffrey Epstein's ex Ghislaine Maxwell arrested by the FBI 'over links with paedophile' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-jeffrey-epsteins-ex-ghislaine-22290715)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrested: Jeffrey Epstein's ex-lover detained by FBI in child sex probe and will appear in court TODAY (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12012925/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-linked-jeffrey-epstein-reports/)
Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, has been arrested by the FBI - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-confidante-arrested-fbi/)
Former Jeffrey Epstein companion Ghislaine Maxwell arrested | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/jeffrey-epstein-companion-ghislaine-maxwell-federal-custody-71574790)
Ghislaine Maxwell, long-time Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested in connection to sex-abuse probe (https://www.today.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-long-time-jeffrey-epstein-confidante-arrested-connection-sex-t185792)
Ghislaine Maxwell: Jeffrey Epstein's longtime associate has been arrested - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein/index.html)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epsteins-confidant-ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-in-new-hampshire-fbi-says
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The FBI arrests Ghislaine Maxwell in relation to Epstein case ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-the-fbi-arrests-the-duke-of-yorks-close-friend-ghislaine-maxwell-145292/)
More trouble for Duke of York!!
It may mean more trouble for Andrew. Certainly Ghislaine's trial (and it may be a long one) will not be a good look for him, especially as he emphasised that his friendship with Ghislaine came before the Epstein relationship. We will have to see whether she reveals what she knows of Epstein's operations.
Glad to see that she's been arrested.
It took this long because the lawyers/judge need real evidence to carry out an arrest warrant, rather than she was in hiding and the police/FBI didn't know where she was.
^^Prince Andrew may get into trouble depending on what this woman will spill, which will need also to be tied to ''real'' evidence rather than vague spilling the beans. Also related, Princess Beatrice and Edoardo Mapelli apparently will start a new life in Italy, they are leaving sooner rather than later.
Ghislaine Maxwell: How worldwide hunt for Jeffrey Epstein ?pimp? led to French chateau and superyacht in New Zealand (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/12013191/maxwell-ghislaine-worldwide-search/)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrested: How Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend 'groomed underage girls to satisfy paedo former lover' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12012833/ghislaine-maxwell-accused-grooming-underage-girls-epstein/)
Who is Ghislaine Maxwell?s alleged boyfriend Scott Borgerson? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10474010/who-ghislaine-maxwell-boyfriend-scott-borgerson/)
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Ghislaine Maxwell: 'Secret' $1m estate she was arrested at | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484629/Ghislaine-Maxwell-arrested-1million-New-Hampshire-estate-bought-secret.html)
Prince Andrew: More FBI pressure as Ghislaine Maxwell arrested | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483875/Prince-Andrews-six-month-standoff-FBI-deepens.html)
Jeffrey Epstein abused girls 'with Ghislaine Maxwell's help' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483783/How-Jeffrey-Epstein-abused-underage-girls-years-help-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html)
How Ghislaine Maxwell went from socialite to 'sex-trafficker' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483641/How-Ghislaine-Maxwell-went-socialite-child-sex-trafficker.html)
How Ghislaine Maxwell tried to avoid detection while in hiding for a year | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484787/How-Ghislaine-Maxwell-tried-avoid-detection-hiding-year.html)
Alan Dershowitz loses bid to get access to confidential papers naming Jeffrey Epstein's associates | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483599/Alan-Dershowitz-loses-bid-access-confidential-papers-naming-Jeffrey-Epsteins-associates.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell 'encouraged girl into sex acts with Epstein' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484589/Ghislaine-Maxwell-groomed-teenager-encouraging-sex-acts-Epstein-flat.html)
Attorneys representing Virginia Giuffre ordered to destroy evidence | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483209/Attorneys-representing-Virginia-Giuffre-ordered-destroy-evidence.html)
How Ghislaine Maxwell became Jeffrey Epstein's alleged madam | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483813/How-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Jeffrey-Epsteins-alleged-madam.html)
Prince Andrew: More FBI pressure as Ghislaine Maxwell arrested | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483875/Prince-Andrews-six-month-standoff-FBI-deepens.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell 'encouraged girl into sex acts with Epstein' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484589/Ghislaine-Maxwell-groomed-teenager-encouraging-sex-acts-Epstein-flat.html)
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US prosecutors invite Prince Andrew to 'talk to us' after arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-us-fbi/)
Spotlight turns on Prince Andrew once more after arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/02/spotlight-turns-prince-andrew-arrest-ghislaine-maxwell/)
Ghislaine Maxwell played 'critical role' in helping Jeffrey Epstein groom underage victims, US investigators say | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-long-time-friend-of-jeffrey-epstein-arrested-by-fbi-report-12019680)
Prince Andrew 'bewildered' by claims he hasn't offered to cooperate with Epstein investigation | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-bewildered-by-claims-he-hasnt-offered-to-cooperate-with-epstein-investigation-12019742)
Ghislaine Maxwell appears in court charged with aiding Epstein's sex crimes | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-charges-latest-fbi)
Ghislaine Maxwell: the key unanswered questions following her arrest | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-hiding-arrest-prince-andrew-epstein-questions)
How Ghislaine Maxwell lived a 'life of privilege' on the run | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-new-hampshire-property-flights)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrest throws spotlight back on Prince Andrew | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-throws-spotlight-back-on-prince-andrew)
Ghislaine Maxwell accused of 'critical role' in sexually abusing underage girls with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-on-charges-related-to-jeffrey-epstein-fbi-says)
Why Prince Andrew is still being dragged into the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell sex allegations | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-02/why-prince-andrew-is-still-being-dragged-into-the-jeffrey-epstein-and-ghislaine-maxwell-sex-allegations)
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-02/ghislaine-maxwells-journey-from-socialite-to-accused-procuress-in-epstein-case
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-bewildered-fbi-22292807
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-ghislaine-maxwell-helped-jeffrey-22290956
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12015429/prince-andrew-urged-statement-ghislaine-maxwells-arrest/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12017082/ghislaine-maxwell-same-prison-epstein-suicide-new-york/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12017031/prince-andrew-epstein-mansion-same-time-victim-raped/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/12016601/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-kill-herself-jeffrey-epstein/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12016463/ghislaine-maxwell-turn-epstein-sex-ring-suspects-testify/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12012833/ghislaine-maxwell-accused-grooming-underage-girls-epstein/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12017257/ghislaine-maxwell-new-hampshire-1-million-jeffrey-epstein/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12012925/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-jeffrey-epstein-fbi-court-latest/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12015420/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-allegations-jeffrey-epsteins-pimp/
I remember Ghislaine's awful crook of a father, Robert Maxwell, who mysteriously disappeared off his yacht many years ago. She obviously grew up with no moral compass guiding her at all, didn't try to find any kind of decent way to live herself, and so it has come to this.
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It might be a very good idea for Beatrice and Edo to live in Italy for a while from next year. A more normal life, away from the Andrew mess which will undoubtedly go on and on. They would have Fergie landing on them every couple of months of course, but that's her usual M.O..
RICHARD KAY on the agonising questions for the Queen and the palace | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485081/RICHARD-KAY-agonising-questions-Queen-palace.html)
GUY ADAMS: How DID Maxwell plunge from society darling to be a sleazy 'pimp' and disgrace? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485083/GUY-ADAMS-DID-Maxwell-plunge-society-darling-sleazy-pimp-disgrace.html)
Epstein victim hails 'centre of his ring' Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest as 'a great day for justice' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485105/Epstein-victim-hails-centre-ring-Ghislaine-Maxwells-arrest-great-day-justice.html)
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Quote from: Curryong on July 02, 2020, 10:12:00 PM
I remember Ghislaine's awful crook of a father, Robert Maxwell, who mysteriously disappeared off his yacht many years ago. She obviously grew up with no moral compass guiding her at all, didn't try to find any kind of decent way to live herself, and so it has come to this.
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It might be a very good idea for Beatrice and Edo to live in Italy for a while from next year. A more normal life, away from the Andrew mess which will undoubtedly go on and on. They would have Fergie landing on them every couple of months of course, but that's her usual M.O..
I?m agreed with you,
@CurryongAnd i think Beatrice and Edo will plans to live in Italy on her dad?s scandal Kept low profile but Beatrice and Eugenie wouldnt pleasure on her dad?s scandal and his behavior in taboilds
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Who is Ghislaine Maxwell? The woman at the center of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/europe/ghislaine-maxwell-profile-epstein-intl-gbr/index.html)
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Ghislaine Maxwell 'helped exploit girls as young as 14 years old' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-53271500/ghislaine-maxwell-helped-exploit-girls-as-young-as-14-years-old)
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Prince Andrew feels the heat after FBI arrest Epstein 'pimp' Ghislaine Maxwell & fears she'll do deal to spill the beans (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12017635/prince-andrew-tell-asll-ghislaine-maxwell/)
Prince Andrew 'was at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion at same time victim was raped by the billionaire, age 17' lawsuit claims (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12017031/prince-andrew-epstein-mansion-same-time-victim-raped/)
Ghislaine Maxwell could be locked up in same prison where Epstein killed himself after brief first court appearance ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12017082/ghislaine-maxwell-same-prison-epstein-suicide-new-york/)
Ghislaine Maxwell's a sinister predator who spent years grooming girls for Epstein to abuse, US prosecutors claim (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12017601/ghislaine-maxwell-groomed-victims-year-prosecutors/)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrest - How socialite went from party girl to fugitive accused of luring girls into Epstein's bed (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12016840/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-charges/)
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Gert?s Royals Twitter says
QuoteThere has been back & forth for between Prince Andrew?s Lawyers (now @BlackfordsLLP) & the US Department of Justice about Andrew talking with DOJ.
Andrew has said numerous times he is willing. But DOJ says he is not corperating.
Last month both released public statements
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1278728916753092608?s=21)
Quote?We would welcome Prince Andrew coming in to speak to us. Our doors remain open and we would welcome the opportunity to hear his statement.?
-Audrey Strauss, acting US attorney for the southern district of NY at press conference for the arrest #GhislaneMaxwell
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1278727437438857222?s=21)
Adam Klasfeld twitter says
QuoteIndictment: "[Ghislaine] Maxwell assisted, facilitated and contributed to Jeffrey Epstein's abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims...
"The victims were as young as 14."
Twitter (https://twitter.com/klasfeldreports/status/1278688936248958978?s=21)
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Woman claims she was raped by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 17 after a nude photoshoot | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484927/Woman-claims-raped-Jeffrey-Epstein-17-nude-photoshoot.html)
How Ghislaine Maxwell tried to avoid detection while in hiding | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484787/How-Ghislaine-Maxwell-tried-avoid-detection-hiding-year.html)
Eric Trump is trolled after tweeting photo of Ghislaine Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485479/Eric-Trump-trolled-tweeting-photo-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Chelsea-Clintons-wedding.html)
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Ghislaine Maxwell will be 'naming names', former Epstein associate says | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8486285/Ghislaine-Maxwell-naming-names-former-Epstein-associate-says.html)
What became of Robert Maxwell's nine children? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8486817/What-Robert-Maxwells-nine-children.html)
US lawyers pile more pressure on Prince Andrew after Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8486371/US-lawyers-pile-pressure-Prince-Andrew-Ghislaine-Maxwells-arrest.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell may land in same Manhattan jail where Jeffery Epstein killed himself | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8486007/Ghislaine-Maxwell-land-Manhattan-jail-Jeffery-Epstein-killed-himself.html)
How Ghislaine Maxwell tried to avoid detection while in hiding | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484787/How-Ghislaine-Maxwell-tried-avoid-detection-hiding-year.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell had asked realtor about the 'flight patterns' over her New Hampshire home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485729/Ghislaine-Maxwell-asked-realtor-flight-patterns-New-Hampshire-home.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell: 'Secret' $1m estate she was arrested at | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484629/Ghislaine-Maxwell-arrested-1million-New-Hampshire-estate-bought-secret.html)
Epstein accuser calls Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest a "win," claims more conspirators are still out there - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-epstein-accuser/)
I want Ghislaine Maxwell to ?just own up to what she?s done,? says Epstein accuser (https://www.today.com/video/i-want-ghislaine-maxwell-to-just-own-up-to-what-she-s-done-says-epstein-accuser-86961221919)
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Ghislaine Maxwell's alleged London victim at heart of sex trafficking case (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/03/ghislaine-maxwells-alleged-london-victim-heart-sex-trafficking/)
Prince Andrew's lawyers deny claim he is 'deliberately evading' authorities investigating Epstein | World News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/duke-denies-lawyers-claim-he-is-deliberately-evading-authorities-investigating-epstein-12020208)
Epstein: lawyer for alleged victims claims Prince Andrew 'has information' | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/video/epstein-lawyer-for-alleged-victims-claims-prince-andrew-has-information-12020488)
What's next for Ghislaine Maxwell ? and will she cooperate with prosecutors? | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/03/what-next-for-ghislaine-maxwell-will-she-cooperate-with-prosecutors)
Prince Andrew under pressure after arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/03/prince-andrew-under-pressure-after-arrest-of-ghislaine-maxwell)
Ghislaine Maxwell follows her family's footsteps into the dock | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/03/ghislaine-maxwell-follows-her-family-footsteps-into-the-dock)
Perhaps Ghislaine Maxwell can fill in some blanks for Epstein's ?bewildered? friends | Marina Hyde | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/03/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-prince-andrew)
Ghislaine Maxwell arrest sends tremors through Epstein?s celebrity circle | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-celebrity-circle)
How Ghislaine Maxwell lived a 'life of privilege' on the run | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-new-hampshire-property-flights)
Prince Andrew news: Andrew ?could be protected from US extradition? as Duke 'bewildered' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304600/prince-andrew-news-us-extradition-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-charles-spt)
Prince Andrew warning: Allred claims royal 'silence' on Epstein is 'torture' for victims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304566/Prince-Andrew-news-royal-family-Jeffrey-Epstein-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Good-Morning-Britain)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304530/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-latest-update-spencer-coogan
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304517/Ghislaine-Maxwell-introduced-Prince-Andrew-to-Jeffrey-Epstein
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304123/prince-andrew-news-prince-charles-us-extradition-jeffrey-epstein-precedent-spt
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-03/prince-andrew-subjecting-epstein-victims-to-torture-test-us-lawyer-claims
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/prince-andrew-dumb-go-pub-22296336
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-bewildered-fbi-22292807
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12023675/prince-andrew-not-evading-epstein-maxwell/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12019613/ghislaine-maxwell-bank-accounts-million-fund-jet-set-lifestyle/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/12022215/queen-anxious-epstein-maxwell-andrew/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12020395/fbi-prince-andrew-us-maxwell-epstein/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12019385/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-spotlight-bill-clinton-affair/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11780343/epstein-dalton-school-teacher/
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8487407/Jeffrey-Epstein-paid-Ghislaine-Maxwell-20million-court-documents-claim.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488001/Anonymous-accuser-says-shell-testify-evil-Ghislaine-Maxwell-raped-20-30-times.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8487873/Ghislaine-Maxwell-groomed-young-executive-assistant-Jeffrey-Epstein-violently-raped.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8486285/Ghislaine-Maxwell-naming-names-former-Epstein-associate-says.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8487581/Epstein-investigators-want-talk-Guinness-family-aristocrat.html
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304810/prince-andrew-news-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-fbi-investigation-duke-york-royal-family-spt
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304802/Prince-William-Duke-of-Cambridge-Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-latest-Royal-Family-news
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304530/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-latest-update-spencer-coogan
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12027059/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-rape-claim-teenager-florida/
New Hampshire county jail where Ghislaine Maxwell is | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488471/New-Hampshire-county-jail-Ghislaine-Maxwell-is.html)
PLATELL'S PEOPLE: Ghislaine Maxwell, a daddy's girl who never escaped his toxic legacy | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8488893/PLATELLS-PEOPLE-Ghislaine-Maxwell-daddys-girl-never-escaped-toxic-legacy.html)
Why it's not just Prince Andrew feeling the heat after Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested by the FBI | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488435/Why-not-just-Prince-Andrew-feeling-heat-Ghislaine-Maxwell-arrested-FBI.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell will NEVER sell out Prince Andrew says confidante Laura Goldman | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488543/Ghislaine-Maxwell-NEVER-sell-Prince-Andrew-says-confidante-Laura-Goldman.html)
Coronavirus could keep Ghislaine Maxwell locked up for longer | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488827/Coronavirus-Ghislaine-Maxwell-locked-longer.html)
Elon Musk says Ghislaine Maxwell photobombed him in 2014 photo | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488279/Elon-Musk-says-Ghislaine-photobombed-2014-Vanity-Fair-party-doesnt-know-her.html)
Jeffrey Epstein investigators seek Guinness family aristocrat | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8487581/Epstein-investigators-want-talk-Guinness-family-aristocrat.html)
Anonymous accuser to testify 'evil' Ghislaine Maxwell raped her | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488001/Anonymous-accuser-says-shell-testify-evil-Ghislaine-Maxwell-raped-20-30-times.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell 'groomed' assistant raped by Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8487873/Ghislaine-Maxwell-groomed-young-executive-assistant-Jeffrey-Epstein-violently-raped.html)
Exclusive: Ghislaine Maxwell 'won't sell Prince Andrew out' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/03/exclusive-ghislaine-maxwell-wont-sell-prince-andrew/)
Ghislaine Maxwell will not say anything about Prince Andrew, says friend | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/04/ghislaine-maxwell-will-not-say-anything-about-prince-andrew-says-friend)
Perhaps Ghislaine Maxwell can fill in some blanks for Epstein's ?bewildered? friends | Marina Hyde | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/03/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-prince-andrew)
What's next for Ghislaine Maxwell ? and will she cooperate with prosecutors? | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/03/what-next-for-ghislaine-maxwell-will-she-cooperate-with-prosecutors)
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Ghislaine Maxwell is Epstein 'victim' who will never talk about Prince Andrew, says pal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-victim-who-22300418)
Prince Andrew 'invited Ghislaine Maxwell and Kevin Spacey to Buckingham Palace' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-invited-ghislaine-maxwell-22299553)
Prince Andrew 'subjecting Jeffrey Epstein victims to torture test' says US lawyer - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-subjecting-jeffrey-epstein-22299088)
Epstein victims? lawyer warns Ghislaine Maxwell may kill herself or ?be silenced? to stop her spilling secrets on pals ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12031430/epstein-lawyer-maxwell-die-prison-2/)
Ghislaine Maxwell and Kevin Spacey sat on Buckingham Palace throne after 'Prince Andrew tour invite' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12030340/maxwell-kevin-spacey-buckingham-palace-throne/)
How Ghislaine Maxwell was a spoilt daddy's girl drawn to powerful men like Epstein?now she's in jail (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12027580/ghislaine-maxwell-daddys-girl-epstein/)
Ghislaine Maxwell groomed assistant who Epstein raped & told her ?door is always open? when she quit, lawsuit claims (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12027119/ghislaine-maxwell-groomed-assistant-epstein-raped-lawsuit-claims/)
Woman claims Ghislaine Maxwell ?raped her 30 times from when she was 14 and abuse ended when Epstein got her pregnant? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12027059/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-rape-claim-teenager-florida/)
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FBI agents smashed down door to Ghislaine Maxwell's US bolthole and hauled her off in handcuffs | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490443/FBI-agents-smashed-door-Ghislaine-Maxwells-bolthole-hauled-handcuffs.html)
The book that damns Ghislaine Maxwell... and she was even reading it herself as FBI agents closed in | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490403/The-book-damns-Ghislaine-Maxwell-reading-FBI-agents-closed-in.html)
The two-bedroom house where Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly groomed an underage girl | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490437/The-two-bedroom-house-Ghislaine-Maxwell-allegedly-groomed-underage-girl.html)
'She is definitely in danger': Friends of Ghislaine Maxwell fear for her safety if she talks | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490099/She-definitely-danger-Friends-Ghislaine-Maxwell-fear-safety-talks.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell before the fall: As she sits in a US cell, photos reveal the her society life | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490447/Ghislaine-Maxwell-fall-sits-cell-photos-reveal-society-life.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell 'won't speak about Prince Andrew', says friend - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-53292138/ghislaine-maxwell-won-t-speak-about-prince-andrew-says-friend)
From royal jet-setter to disgraced socialite: the making of Ghislaine Maxwell (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/royal-jet-setter-disgraced-socialite-making-ghislaine-maxwell/)
Prince Andrew 'bewildered' by claims he hasn't offered to cooperate with Epstein investigation | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-bewildered-by-claims-he-hasnt-offered-to-cooperate-with-epstein-investigation-12019742)
'Probe Prince Andrew's links to Ghislaine Maxwell', says Rochdale grooming ring detective - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/probe-prince-andrews-links-ghislaine-22302887)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12034808/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-details-armed-fbi-raid-tuckedaway-new-hampshire/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12033792/ghislaine-maxwell-team-ex-sas-bodyguards/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12032893/ghislaine-maxwells-luxury-hideout-company-linked-alleged-lover-scott-borgerson/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12029648/epstein-zorro-ranch-manager-vanished/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12027119/ghislaine-maxwell-groomed-assistant-epstein-raped-lawsuit-claims/
Palace prank that could backfire on Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8491383/Palace-prank-thank-backfire-Prince-Andrew.html)
Elon Musk's ex-wife denies claims Ghislaine Maxwell procured her as a child bride for the Tesla CEO | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490917/Elon-Musks-ex-wife-denies-claims-Ghislaine-Maxwell-procured-child-bride-Tesla-CEO.html)
The book that damns Ghislaine Maxwell... and she was even reading it herself as FBI agents closed in | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490403/The-book-damns-Ghislaine-Maxwell-reading-FBI-agents-closed-in.html)
Ministers hope Prince Andrew will speak to FBI over his links to Ghislaine Maxwell | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8491297/Ministers-hope-Prince-Andrew-speak-FBI-links-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell to appear in court as fresh details of arrest emerge | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/05/ghislaine-maxwell-to-appear-in-court-as-fresh-details-of-arrest-emerge)
Ghislaine Maxwell sits on Queen's throne with Kevin Spacey after 'Prince Andrew invite' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ghislaine-maxwell-sits-queens-throne-22304191)
Dramatic moment Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested in secret hideaway after "cat and mouse hunt" - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/dramatic-moment-ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-22303596)
Ghislaine Maxwell and Kevin Spacey mock royals on Buckingham Palace thrones during Prince Andrew's VIP tour (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12033535/ghislaine-maxwell-kevin-spacey-mock-royals-palace-thrones-prince-andrew/)
Prince Andrew's cousin brands Ghislaine Maxwell 'truly evil' and claims she offered $1m in bid to 'smoke her out' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12037399/prince-andrew-cousin-maxwell-truly-evil/)
Ghislaine Maxwell cops tell how they smashed down door and hauled her off in cuffs in dramatic raid on remote bolthole (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12034808/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-details-armed-fbi-raid-tuckedaway-new-hampshire/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12035225/ghislaine-maxwell-knows-things-that-implicate-prince-andrew/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/uk/maxwell-spacey-throne-gbr-intl/index.html
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rose-mcgowan-calls-for-arrests-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-following-ghislaine-maxwell-fbi-capture
Rose wouldnt allowed have arrest high profile include former President Bill Clinton and Duke of York without authority but she definitely BS but she must kept her mouth shut up!! 🤐
Lawyer for Epstein's victims claims more British women have come forward as she blasts Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494563/Lawyer-Epsteins-victims-claims-British-women-come-forward-blasts-Prince-Andrew.html)
Jeffrey Epstein's brother calls for murder investigation into death | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494485/Jeffrey-Epsteins-brother-says-pedophile-financier-murdered.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell's friend claims 'spoiled and entitled' Prince Andrew 'doesn't know a lot' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8493457/Ghislaine-Maxwells-friend-claims-spoiled-entitled-Prince-Andrew-doesnt-know-lot.html)
?1.7m London home where 'Ghislaine Maxwell groomed model' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494121/Inside-1-7million-London-penthouse-Ghislaine-Maxwell-groomed-underage-British-model.html)
FBI agents almost blew the $4.9M covert operation to storm Ghislaine Maxwell's New Hampshire home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8492641/FBI-agents-blew-4-9M-covert-operation-storm-Ghislaine-Maxwells-New-Hampshire-home.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell is transferred from New Hampshire to a New York City jail | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494945/Ghislaine-Maxwell-transferred-New-Hampshire-New-York-City-jail.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell to appear in court on bail application | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8492935/Ghislaine-Maxwell-appear-court-bail-application.html)
More victims of Jeffrey Epstein have come forward, says lawyer | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/06/more-victims-jeffrey-epstein-come-forward-ghislaine-maxwell)
Prince Andrew news: Ghislaine Maxwell ?not only friend Andrew let sit on Queen?s throne? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1305661/prince-andrew-news-queen-elizabeth-ii-ghislaine-maxwell-throne-buckingham-palace-spt)
Prince Andrew accuser says he should panic as Ghislaine Maxwell 'will take plea deal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-accuser-says-should-22307965)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-prince-andrew-22308228
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/lawyer-says-ghislaine-maxwell-knows-22305391
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12041615/ghislaine-maxwell-taken-new-york-for-trial/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12041691/ghislaine-maxwell-latest-news-jeffrey-epstein/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12043896/prince-andrew-starmer-investigation/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12045198/ghislaine-maxwell-may-have-video-footage-of-prince-andrew/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12043896/prince-andrew-starmer-investigation/
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/ghislaine-maxwell-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-and-longtime-confidante-expected-in-court-this-week/
https://www.today.com/video/new-details-emerge-about-jeffrey-epstein-associate-ghislaine-maxwell-87078469920?playlist=mmlsnnd_todayarchivesmonday
https://www.today.com/video/-no-chance-ghislaine-maxwell-will-tie-prince-andrew-to-jeffrey-epstein-case-lawyer-says-87078981769
https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epsteins-confidant-ghislaine-maxwell-transferred-to-ny-prison
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-christina-oxenberg-prince-andrew
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-plead-guilty-cooperating-francey-hakes
The BBC has asked journalists participating in its current affairs TV shows (and presumably radio as well) not to discuss the Prince Andrew situation as it is a legal 'hot potato'.
Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/politicoryan/status/1280195048500596737?s=21)
Ghislaine Maxwell's 'secret stash of Jeffrey Epstein sex tapes' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494411/Ghislaine-Maxwell-secret-stash-Jeffrey-Epsteins-sex-tapes.html)
RICHARD KAY: Prince Andrew's silence is ruinously damaging his mother | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8495721/RICHARD-KAY-Prince-Andrews-silence-ruinously-damaging-mother.html)
Lawyer for Epstein victims says more UK women have come forward | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494563/Lawyer-Epsteins-victims-claims-British-women-come-forward-blasts-Prince-Andrew.html)
Alicia Arden says no action taken over 1997 police report claiming Jeffrey Epstein sexual assault | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8495853/Alicia-Arden-says-no-action-taken-1997-police-report-claiming-Jeffrey-Epstein-sexual-assault.html)
Alicia Arden Says Jeffrey Epstein Sexually Assaulted Her in 1997 | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/crime/alicia-arden-jeffrey-epstein-sex-assault-accusations/)
I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that Ghislane has a huge stash of tapes and other documentation relating to the foul Epstein and the years she worked for him. She would be a fool from her POV not to use such materials in order to cut herself the sweetest deal she can get, otherwise she could well be locked away for many years after a trial. So she's probably singing like a canary at the moment about what and who she knows in order to save herself.
Being in the same NY jail complex as Epstein earlier is probably not a comforting thought! Watch out for fellow prisoners being moved from your block, Ghislaine, for the CCTV cameras in the corridors to short circuit and for the warders to be having a snooze at the same time!
She promises via her friend that she goes down with a bunch of high profile people through those tapes.
I dont believe she's going to get a "deal".. She seems to have been Epstein's chief procurer, other people may have used the girls he provided, but that's not the same as finding and trafficking them...
Ghislaine Maxwell is being held in a hell hole Brooklyn jail | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8495531/Crushing-experience-awaits-Ghislaine-Maxwell-troubled-jail.html)
Virginia Roberts Giuffre urges Jeffrey Epstein staff to speak out | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8498245/Virginia-Roberts-Giuffre-urges-Epsteins-former-staff-come-forward.html)
Deutsche Bank fined $150m over Jeffrey Epstein payments | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8498433/Deutsche-Bank-pay-150million-fine-failing-monitor-Jeffrey-Epsteins-suspicious-payments.html)
Deutsche Bank faces $150m fine for Jeffrey Epstein ties - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53324888)
Jeffrey Epstein: Deutsche Bank agrees $150m compliance penalty | Business News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-deutsche-bank-agrees-150m-compliance-penalty-12023164)
Deutsche Bank to pay $150m fine to settle charges linked to Epstein dealings | Business | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/07/deutsche-bank-jeffrey-epstein-settlement-fine)
Prince Andrew?s brutally honest assessment of Queen as mother exposed | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1306188/prince-andrew-news-queen-elizabeth-ii-mother-ghislaine-maxwell-royal-family-latest-spt)
Prince Andrew news: US won't risk 'destroying' relationship with UK to pursue Duke | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1306038/Prince-Andrew-news-Duke-of-York-Jeffrey-Epstein-US-legal-case-latest)
Ghislaine Maxwell friend: Prince Andrew was 'stupid, spoiled, entitled' and would not have noticed anything suspicious | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-06/ghislaine-maxwell-friend-prince-andrew-was-stupid-spoiled-entitled-and-would-not-have-noticed-anything-suspicious)
Ghislaine Maxwell accused of 'critical role' in sexually abusing underage girls with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-on-charges-related-to-jeffrey-epstein-fbi-says)
Ghislaine Maxwell moved to New York jail 'where she could be a target for other inmates' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/ghislaine-maxwell-moved-new-york-22312695)
'More Jeffrey Epstein victims saw pervert with Prince Andrew,' claims lawyer - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/more-jeffrey-epstein-victims-saw-22312576)
Maxwell groomed schoolgirls in uniform with braces, claims Epstein victim (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12056474/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-school-girls-maria-farmer/)
Ghislaine Maxwell has 'secret copies of Epstein's sex tapes' that could expose world's most elite, claims friend (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12049007/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-secret-sex-tapes-worlds-powerful/)
Ghislaine Maxwell - Highest-ever security team monitoring her every move as officials vow to keep Epstein ?pimp? alive (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12050866/ghislaine-maxwell-security-monitoring-epstein-prison/)
Ghislaine Maxwell in for ?crushing experience? at hellhole jail where inmates are dying to batter her, ex-warden reveals (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12053464/ghislaine-maxwell-crushing-experience-hellhole-jai/)
Deutsche Bank fined ?118million after cosy relationship with Jeffrey Epstein who used accounts to pay off sex victims (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12056468/deutsche-bank-fined-jeffrey-epstein-accounts-sex-victims/)
Ghislaine Maxwell latest news: Jeffrey Epstein's ex will die from coronavirus, conspiracy theorists claim (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12041691/ghislaine-maxwell-latest-news-jeffrey-epstein/)
Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell transferred to New York City jail (https://www.today.com/video/jeffrey-epstein-associate-ghislaine-maxwell-transferred-to-new-york-city-jail-87141445621?playlist=mmlstodayarchivestuesday-nnd)
Deutsche Bank fined $150 million over Jeffrey Epstein ties - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/business/jeffrey-epstein-deutsche-bank-fine/index.html)
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-alicia-arden-investigation-1997-sexual-battery
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/deutsche-bank-jeffrey-epstein-relationship-penalty
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Deutsche Bank hit with $150 million penalty over Jeffrey Epstein ties | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/deutsche-bank-agrees-pay-150-million-relationship-jeffrey-71647740)
Ghislaine Maxwell set to appear in NY court | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/ghislaine-maxwell-set-ny-court-71644745)
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/ghislaine-maxwell-transitions-lavish-lifestyle-troubled-lockup/story?id=71646101
https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-companion-ghislaine-maxwell-federal-custody/story?id=71574790
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Ghislaine Maxwell in coronavirus isolation at Brooklyn jail | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8499327/Ghislaine-Maxwell-14-day-COVID-isolation-world-hell-hole-Brooklyn-jail.html)
Victim names Donald Trump as possible Jeffrey Epstein witness | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8498135/Donald-Trump-named-possible-witness-Jeffrey-Epsteins-career-abuse.html)
Denise Welch recalls run-ins with Prince Andrew as she blasts Jeffrey Epstein friendship - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/denise-welch-recalls-run-ins-22317548)
Maxwell groomed schoolgirls in uniform with braces, claims Epstein victim (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12056474/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-school-girls-maria-farmer/)
Prince Harry - learn the perils of being a ?prince without portfolio? from your uncle Prince Andrew (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12058463/jane-moore-harry-meghan-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell/)
Ghislaine Maxwell demands Epstein pays her legal fees 'potentially taking money from victims SHE is accused of abusing' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12057121/ghislaine-maxwell-demands-epstein-estate-pays-legal-fees/)
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Prince Andrew agonising over whether he should condemn Ghislaine Maxwell | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8500215/Prince-Andrew-agonising-condemn-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell to appear for bail hearing via videolink | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8502231/Ghislaine-Maxwell-appear-court-week-bail-hearing-videolink.html)
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Prince Andrew agonising over whether to condemn Ghislaine Maxwell, says source (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/07/prince-andrew-agonising-whether-condemn-ghislaine-maxwell-says/)
Prince Andrew agonising over decision to condemn Ghislaine Maxwell in bid to save his reputation, sources claim (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12060123/prince-andrew-agonising-decision-ghislaine-maxwell/)
Why Kevin Spacey and Ghislaine Maxwell Sat in Thrones | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/why-kevin-spacey-and-ghislaine-maxwell-sat-in-queen-elizabeth-and-prince-philips-thrones/)
Ghislaine Maxwell to appear for bail hearing via video from 'hellhole' jail on Tuesday as prosecutors warn she?ll flee (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12067930/ghislaine-maxwell-bail-hearing-date-jeffrey-epstein/)
In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Barr said the Justice Department continues to gather evidence in connection with the case, including the pursuit of an interview with the British royal.
"Definitely the department wants to talk to Prince Andrew, that's why the Southern District has been making efforts to communicate and to arrange an interview with him," Barr said. "The department is communicating with him and made it clear that we'd like to interview him."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/feds-continue-seek-interview-prince-andrew-attorney-general/story?id=71684702
Did Ghislaine Maxwell secretly run one of the most powerful Reddit accounts in history? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8506313/Ghislaine-Maxwell-secretly-operated-one-powerful-Reddit-accounts-time.html)
Bill Barr says Ghislaine Maxwell won't die like Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8506401/Bill-Barr-insists-Ghislaine-Maxwell-wont-meet-fate-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell stripped and given paper clothes at jail | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8507367/Feds-feared-Epstein-confidante-kill-herself.html)
Jeffrey Epstein's 'jealous' girlfriend nicknamed 'the inspector' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8499063/Jeffrey-Epsteins-jealous-girlfriend-nicknamed-inspector.html)
Prince Andrew seen for first time since Ghislaine Maxwell arrest | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8506817/Prince-Andrew-spotted-time-Ghislaine-Maxwells-arrest.html)
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Ghislaine Maxwell being sued by Jeffrey Epstein victim for ?20million fortune - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ghislaine-maxwell-being-sued-jeffrey-22331656)
The Royal Family will be in crisis for years thanks to randy Prince Andrew and Harry and Meghan (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12079742/royal-family-crisis-years-andrew-harry-meghan/)
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-paper-attire-heightened-security-ny-prison-suicide-concerns
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It might be a very good idea for Beatrice and Edo to live in Italy for a while from next year. A more normal life, away from the Andrew mess which will undoubtedly go on and on
I agree that this might be the best choice for the couple to get a break.
Quote from: TLLK on July 10, 2020, 01:09:03 PM
I agree that this might be the best choice for the couple to get a break.
Marriages are possible again, not sure how many guests one can have but its more than the 5..
Ghislaine Maxwell should be released on $5m bail say lawyers | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511303/Ghislaine-Maxwell-released-5million-bail-not-Epstein-say-lawyers.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell's attorneys want 'meritless' federal indictment dismissed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8508973/Ghislaine-Maxwells-attorneys-calls-federal-indictment-against-meritless.html)
How Ghislaine Maxwell was arrogant during her 2016 interview with lawyers of Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511813/How-Ghislaine-Maxwell-arrogant-2016-interview-lawyers-Virginia-Roberts.html)
What a night out with Prince Andrew is REALLY like | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8506727/What-night-Prince-Andrew-REALLY-like.html)
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Ghislaine Maxwell requests bail due to 'significant' coronavirus risk - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53370960)
Ghislaine Maxwell: Epstein's ex-lover made to wear paper clothes in New York jail over suicide risk | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-epsteins-ex-lover-made-to-wear-paper-clothes-in-new-york-jail-over-suicide-risk-12025447)
Ghislaine Maxwell requests bail release due to 'unprecedented' Covid-19 risks | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/ghislaine-maxwell-bail-release-covid-19-jeffrey-epstein)
Prince Andrew urged to speak to FBI after Ghislaine Maxwell arrested | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1307752/Prince-Andrew-FBI-Ghislaine-Maxwell-arrested-Bill-Barr-jeffrey-epstein)
Prince Andrew scandal: 'No comparison' between Duke of York and Edward VIII abdication | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1307714/prince-andrew-scandal-jeffrey-epstein-news-royal-family-edward-viii-abdication)
Royal rule: How titles survive despite royal scandals - 'title greater than the beholder' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1307668/royal-titles-HRH-rule-royal-family-prince-andrew-prince-harry)
Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 'filmed powerful people having sex with underage girls' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12091701/epstein-maxwell-people-sex-under-age-girls/)
Ghislaine Maxwell begs for $5m bail because she's 'not a danger' and she'll be at 'risk of Coronavirus' in jail (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12091054/ghislaine-maxwell-bail-coronavirus/)
In USA $5 million and UK pounds is $3.75 million
Ghislaine Maxwell requests bail as she awaits trial - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/us/ghislaine-maxwell-bail-response/index.html)
'I'm no Cruella de Vil': Ghislaine Maxwell insists she is not an 'evil villain' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513675/Im-no-Cruella-Vil-Ghislaine-Maxwell-insists-not-evil-villain.html)
Prince Andrew is on Jeffrey Epstein's secret tapes, says lawyer for accuser Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513673/Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epsteins-secret-tapes-says-Virginia-Roberts-lawyer.html)
Jeffrey Epstein would 'physically shake with desire for young girls', book claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513559/Jeffrey-Epstein-physically-shake-desire-young-girls-book-claims.html)
Worth to tell all books!!
Ghislaine Maxwell's made staff at Jeffrey Epstein's homes follow rules akin to 'royal protocol' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513713/Ghislaine-Maxwells-staff-Jeffrey-Epsteins-homes-follow-rules-akin-royal-protocol.html)
How DID the BBC fall for this Ghislaine Maxwell fantasist? Laura Goldman has never met her! | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513699/How-DID-BBC-fall-Ghislaine-Maxwell-fantasist-Laura-Goldman-never-met-her.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell moved house 36 TIMES in a year before FBI arrested her - and Covid face mask helped her stay hidden (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12098047/ghislaine-maxwell-moved-house-36-times-fbi/)
Prince Andrew caught on tape visiting Jeffrey Epstein at his New York mansion, claims Virginia Roberts? lawyer (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12098910/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-cctv/)
Ghislaine Maxwell demanded Jeffrey Epstein staff 'never look master in the eye' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12095990/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-staff-never-look-master-eye/)
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Prince Andrew 'may be on Jeffrey Epstein's private tapes of rich and powerful' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-may-jeffrey-epsteins-22341619)
Thank you for sharing and keeping this thread so updated, there is so much to read on Epstein/Ghislaine/Andrew, I've lately gone to podcasts from all types of specialized journalists with the Justice Department to Hollywood gossip writers/podcasters, podcast/headset/morning coffee.
The latest, Hollywood gossip podcasters have agreed that In Touch magazine/weekly has gone too far, wishing upon them to be shutdown, the cover is Prince Andrew and claiming that Virginia's lawyers have 2 sex tapes of him with MM.
Who cares about that grubby magazine and their lies? As if Meghan would go within 100 yards of that disgusting old man with a barge pole.
I very much agree, and I also agree with all the Hollywood gossip podcasters, united to ban this latest weekly issue. They have gone way too far IMO.
Whatever the case, that she allegedly has recordings and video tapes from all of E's properties, including the yacht, IF something happens to her, she allegedly has a mechanism to release it all, I also think the JD and FBI should do all efforts to 1 exchange cooperation for evidence and keep all the sordid recordings/videos in private viewing. I understand the Clinton's are the ones that are in real deep trouble. I also think the agents are doing humongous efforts to find and disable the alleged ''mechanism''.
Four more women accused of supplying young girls for Epstein to abuse | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513823/Four-women-accused-supplying-young-girls-Epstein-abuse.html)
Piers Morgan explains meeting with 'charming and confident' Ghislaine Maxwell - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/piers-morgan-explains-meeting-charming-22342339)
Ghislaine Maxwell insists she is no 'Cruella de Vil' as she prepares to face judge - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/ghislaine-maxwell-insists-no-cruella-22342124)
Ghislaine Maxwell ?being moved between cells to stop her being murdered? - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/ghislaine-maxwell-being-moved-between-22343465)
Ghislaine Maxwell 'is being moved from cell to cell to stop her being murdered' in hellhole prison (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12101487/ghislaine-maxwell-moved-cells-stop-murder/)
Ghislaine Maxwell?s pals claim she?s not a Cruella de Vil-style ?evil villain? despite evidence she was Epstein?s pimp ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12100572/ghislaine-maxwell-cruella-de-vil-villain-epstein-pimp/)
Prince Andrew's website quietly taken down as Epstein scandal deepens - palace speaks out | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1310461/prince-andrew-news-duke-of-york-org-website-prince-andrew-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell)
QuoteThe Duke of York's website also included the last statement issued by Prince Andrew in November, when he announced he would temporarily step down from public duties in the midst of the Epstein scandal.
However, none of this is still available as the website doesn't exist anymore.
Anyone trying to access the dukeofyork.org is being redirected to a page dedicated to the Duke of York on the main website of the Royal Family, royal.uk.
Prince Andrew's personal Twitter and Instagram account continue to exist, although they haven't been active since he published his statement in November.
To be honest I am surprised that they waited this long to take it down, however I believe that Ms. Maxwell's arrest has definitely impacted the decision.
Underage girl forced to have sex with Prince Andrew, US court document claims | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/31/underage-girl-forced-to-have-sex-with-prince-andrew-us-court-document-jeffrey-epstein)
QuoteThe sex offender Jeffrey Epstein allegedly tried to gather incriminating material against Prince Andrew by forcing an underage girl to have sex with him, according to newly released court documents.
The papers released by a court in New York say the alleged encounter took place on the late US financier?s private island in the US Virgin Islands. A document claims Epstein instructed the girl, referred to as Jane Doe #3, but known to be Virginia Roberts Giuffre, to ?give the prince whatever he demanded and report back to him on the details of the sexual abuse?.
Epstein allegedly sexually trafficked the girl to powerful people to ?ingratiate himself with them for business, personal, political and financial gain, as well as to obtain potential blackmail information?. They included ?numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders.?
The papers, part of prior litigation, also contain the claim that Andrew tried to lobby the US on behalf of Epstein to help secure a ?favourable plea arrangement?.
The papers are part of a 2015 civil court battle between Epstein and his former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, and Giuffre, now 36, who accused the couple of sexual abuse. She also claimed she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew, which he vehemently denies.
Russell Myers
@rjmyers
I?ve written a comment piece in the paper today, highlighting why I (and a fair few others TBF, acronym To Be Fair) believe there will be absolutely no way back into royal life for Andrew as the pressure increases with the latest raft of lurid allegations
Newspaper cut included
Twitter (https://twitter.com/rjmyers/status/1289518768117301248)
Prince Andrew 'groped two girls in Epstein Mansion with Spitting Image puppet of himself' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-groped-two-girls-22470010?podsave)
Rebecca English says that Andrew has been completely cut adrift from the Firm. He has his own PR people and legal team and BP no longer represents him in any aspect of his life.
His PR and Lawyers are 100 percent focused on the Epstein case. There is nothing else for him (Andrew).
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on August 28, 2020, 04:13:45 PM
Rebecca English says that Andrew has been completely cut adrift from the Firm. He has his own PR people and legal team and BP no longer represents him in any aspect of his life.
Of course that has happened. His Sovereign Grant funding was cut, forcing him to pay for his own support and legal people. However Andrew is still at the heart of the BRF and probably will be till he dies unfortunately, as the son, brother and uncle of present and future monarchs. BP may well have left him to swing in the breeze. That doesn't mean that anything untoward that happens to HRH Prince Andrew in the future isn't going to reverberate on the RF or that the worldwide media aren't going to make hay.
Already there are conspiracy stories all over the Internet that have been given new friction by the Epstein/Prince Andrew saga. Stories about all the elites being 'in on it' (abuse of youngsters) including the adults in the BRF. Even the old chestnut about the Queen and Prince Philip in Canada with indigenous children who were never seen again has resurfaced once more. Plus of course, all over conspiracy sites lately, the 'naked youth videoed escaping from BP' nonsense.
This Epstein saga linking into the favourite son of the Queen of GB has done incalculable harm to the prestige and reputation of the BRF. It's far beyond anything the Sussexes have ever done and just doesn't compare.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on August 28, 2020, 04:13:45 PM
Rebecca English says that Andrew has been completely cut adrift from the Firm. He has his own PR people and legal team and BP no longer represents him in any aspect of his life.
IMVHO this is how it should be. His parents can use their own resources to provide for him so that his elder brother and nephew are not involved in his care.
Prince Andrew is intent on working his way back to 'serving the monarchy' (Oh, not concentrating on filling your own coffers and not declaring it, then, I'd like to see that unique occurrence!) according to the Sunday Times article on Prince Andrew today, which is behind a paywall.
Good luck in trying to pull the wool over the British public's eyes a second time, Andrew! And if it is true that he has the full support of his parents, brother and the rest of the RF, then shame on them. The DM article states BP spokesmen have insisted that there is no planned change in PA's position. As they've lied before about various members of the RF, we'll see.
Prince Andrew working out 'how he can serve the monarchy' as he maps out return to royal duties | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8876247/Prince-Andrew-working-serve-monarchy-maps-return-royal-duties.html)
QuoteA source told the Times: 'The duke is spending time working out how he can serve his country and support the monarchy in the future, and what else he might want to do with his life.
'He's locked down at Royal Lodge [his home on the Queen's Windsor estate], thinking about his future service and public role. He has some clear thoughts.
'He's very sensitive to the public mood and acutely conscious that the public are the most important stakeholder. He feels he has support from the family, very much so, including all his siblings and his parents.'
Buckingham Palace, however, is said to have distanced itself from the claims, insisting there are 'no plans to review' the Duke's status. [/quote]
Andrew...it's time to invest in the jigsaw puzzle of the month club or to take a class in macrame. This is how you can plan to spend the rest of your life. I don't see Charles or William ever allowing him to return to the working royals fold. IMHO he'll be at his parents' funerals but that will be the lone exceptions.
Prince Andrew will not return to public life unless he clears his name, palace sources insist (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/10/26/prince-andrew-will-not-return-public-life-unless-clears-name/)
The Telegraph is adamant that he won't return, no pre discussions with nobody, nothing of nothing UNLESS his name is cleared. It will probably be cleared between 3-5 years, that is how long the courts in the USA may drag and drag. It's of their best interest, Epstein's money is frozen and in millions, so it may pay all the government office bills; FBI, Court, Judge, District Attorneys, private attorneys of the women, etc.
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Also, I'm very happy his board has been taken away from prominent position under the Queen's family to ''other members'' board.
Proof Prince Andrew misled Emily Maitlis: Duke DID stay at Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9049237/Proof-Prince-Andrew-misled-Emily-Maitlis-Duke-DID-stay-Jeffrey-Epsteins-New-York-mansion.html)
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Mystery of Prince Andrew's first meeting with Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9049449/Mystery-Prince-Andrews-meeting-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Prince Andrew's three hours of private time in New York just as Virginia Roberts flew in to the city | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9049317/Prince-Andrews-three-hours-private-time-New-York-just-Virginia-Roberts-flew-city.html)
Prince Andrew's visit to the puppet master Epstein's mansion... this time for the night | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9049271/Prince-Andrews-visit-puppet-master-Epsteins-mansion-time-night.html)
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Prince Andrew refuses to deny he stayed in Jeffrey Epstein mansion | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/14/prince-andrew-refuses-to-deny-he-stayed-in-jeffrey-epstein-mansion)
Princess Beatrice 'does not remember Prince Andrew being at Pizza Express' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrice-does-not-remember-23155744)
Prince Andrew's advisor/spin doctor steps down from his post after encountering online threats and abuse.
Duke of York's spin doctor stepping down after receiving 'threatening' online abuse (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/26/duke-yorks-spin-doctor-stepping-receiving-threatening-online/)
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The Duke of York's spin doctor is stepping down from his official role after receiving "deeply offensive and threatening" abuse in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.
Mark Gallagher, who joined Prince Andrew's working group at its creation in December 2019 through his private client business, Riverside, has resigned from the group but will continue to advise the 60-year-old royal in a private capacity.
In an email to staff at his corporate PR agency, Pagefield, seen by The Telegraph, Mr Gallagher wrote: "As you know, I have been the target of some deeply offensive and threatening trolling during the time I have been a member of the Duke's working group.
"I am afraid that this comes with the territory, but was something I was prepared to tolerate because of my commitment to someone who I believe will be fully vindicated in due course.
"However, as you also know, some of these trolls have decided to target Pagefield and members of the Pagefield team. These attacks are totally unjustifiable.
"My principle duty of care will always be towards you, to our wider network of advisers and supporters and ? of course ? to our brilliant clients. The fact that my work outside of Pagefield is impacting some of you working inside Pagefield is something I cannot accept."
Some trolls are just beyond the pale. Issuing any sort of threat of physical harm to anyone online or off is obviously just unacceptable. The things is though that most of these keyboard warriors would never make such threats face to face, but of course you can't take the risk.
The US court (and FBI) are focusing now on getting first their own people, last place Andrew across the pond.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/25/12/42191202-9509147-image-a-24_1619351034523.jpg)
Update news on Duke of York?s patronage duties
Prince Andrew 'removed from almost 50 patronages as charities rush to distance themselves from him' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9584227/Prince-Andrew-removed-50-patronages-charities-rush-distance-him.html)
Prince Andrew ?dropped? as patron of almost 50 organisations amid Epstein probe - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-dropped-patron-almost-24120392)
Prince Andrew 'quietly removed' as patron of almost 50 organisations in wake of Jefferey Epstein probe (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14968755/prince-andrew-dropped-patron-organisations-epstein/)
I wonder what Andrew will do with his time? Behind the scenes royal jobs?
He might fiddle about a bit behind the scenes with a few of his remaining charities if they want him to, suggesting ideas to raise money etc, but nothing more. And to be honest many of the hundreds of charities that older senior royals had patronages for just wanted a royal on the letterhead.
The Queen and Prince Philip have/had many masses of charities of the ?Greater Water Lily Breeders Society of Upper Loch Lomond? variety which are/were virtually moribund and visited by their royal Patrons once every five years if that.
Probably Andrew has a hundred or more of those. It?s the ones that are more active that will IMO continue to quietly drop Andrew in the next twelve months or so.
Here's the list of the DoY's charities and patronages that I found today on the official British Monarchy site. However I don't know if the site master has been removing those patronages who have taken Andrew off as their royal patron. (Ten organizations listed per page from 1-12 and three on page 13 so 123 listed.)
About The Duke of York - Royal.uk (https://www.royal.uk/the-duke-york)
Quote from: TLLK on May 17, 2021, 01:37:51 PM
Here's the list of the DoY's charities and patronages that I found today on the official British Monarchy site. However I don't know if the site master has been removing those patronages who have taken Andrew off as their royal patron. (Ten organizations listed per page from 1-12 and three on page 13 so 123 listed.)
About The Duke of York - Royal.uk (https://www.royal.uk/the-duke-york)
I?d say that charities have been quietly slipping away into the sunset following the BBC interview. I?m pretty confident I read around 300 charities were attached to Andrew at around that time, and I trust that particular poster?s figures on the big forum.
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NEW YORK (AP) - Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre files lawsuit saying Prince Andrew sexually abused her when she was 17.
The Lawsuit is a civil claim.
There has never been any criminal charges filed against Prince Andrew.
If Virginia Robert Giuffre wins the civil lawsuit, Prince Andre May have to pay compensatory and punitive damages (I.e. Money bag).
There is no jail time for Civil cases.
Gerts Royal
Prince Andrew sued in New York by Virginia Roberts (https://nypost.com/2021/08/09/prince-andrew-may-be-sued-in-new-york-by-virginia-roberts/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Not sure how much luck she will have with this. Big burden of proof and it?s all on her team. Andrew can just sit there and do nothing. Her team have to prove damages. She will have to prove he knew she was underage.
It depends if other girls and young women who were being groomed by Ghislaine and co. come forward to back up Virginia?s allegations. If she can get even a couple to back her testimony then that will strengthen her case considerably.
Regardless, this case will be followed avidly in the US and the UK by the media, bringing back into prominence all the things that have been said about Andrew, his behaviour, friendship with sexual offender Epstein, and the circles in which he moved for so long.
Andrew?s reputation in Britain is already in the toilet and details brought out in this civil trial by Virginia?s team are likely to besmirch it even more.
In a way it doesn?t matter if she loses this case, if it comes down to a ?he said, she said? scenario. Andrew had already been convicted in the court of public opinion where most believe that his behaviour in remaining friendly with a pedophile was inappropriate, to say the least. If Virginia loses, well then she just goes back to her suburban life in Australia. If Andrew loses he can kiss goodbye to any redemption in the public?s eyes. Ever.
That picture of Andrew with his arm around her waist and her smiling will not help her case at all I think. Andrew is done for as far as ever going to be a working member of the Firm again just by his association and friendship with Epstein. If it is all about money and what she wants I don't believe things will go well for her.
Forbes? view of the forthcoming law suit by Virginia Roberts, who has no doubt been waiting many years for this, and for the long-predicted criminal proceedings against Ghislaine to begin.
A Tight Spot: What Prince Andrew Faces If Virginia Roberts Guiffre Files Her Civil Suit Against Him This Week (https://www.forbes.com/sites/guymartin/2021/08/08/a-tight-spot-what-prince-andrew-faces-if-virginia-roberts-guiffre-files-her-civil-suit-against-him-this-week/?sh=276bcf2a6495)
And the BBC?.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58153711
How the Queen reacted to Andrew?s disgrace may rebound on her, according to the article below. This case will bring huge embarrassment to the House of Windsor as fresh details are disclosed.
Prince Andrew lawsuit will force Queen to protect royal family (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-andrew-lawsuit-will-force-queen-to-protect-the-royal-family/news-story/53e25d6f05e835e5a91512c8d748ae9a)
Quote from: Nightowl on August 10, 2021, 05:56:22 AM
That picture of Andrew with his arm around her waist and her smiling will not help her case at all I think. Andrew is done for as far as ever going to be a working member of the Firm again just by his association and friendship with Epstein. If it is all about money and what she wants I don't believe things will go well for her.
True but OTOH, she may claim - perhaps quite truly, that she was expected to smile and look happy when entertaining a man...
Will the Epstein scandal cost Andrew and Fergie their grace and favour Windsor mansion? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9881049/Will-Epstein-scandal-cost-Andrew-Fergie-grace-favour-Windsor-mansion.html)
According to Dan Wootton, Charles and William want Andrew to vacate Royal Lodge.
That I believe.
When Dan writes with the :wink: 'megxit' style, his sources are the very top courtiers - palace (hard to tell which team CH, KP, both? Again this one is too detailed). What he says about the Queen resisting not to do anything about it is very disappointing. And she is putting the monarchy in danger. ALL the comments are terrible against Andrew and against the Queen.
The Queen has always supported Andrew no matter what. Coupled with the fact she is non-confrontational doesn't help.
It's good Charles and William are involved.
C&W can (according to the article) can pressure Andrew to revoke himself from RL and its 75 year lease ^ because the Queen will not do anything. <_< :blank:
I wish he self exiles at Balmoral, private estate. Like Wootton said, his daughters have moved, married, etc.
He has to live somewhere and he rarely goes away from his home...... so what's the point of pressuring him to leave the lodge
The lawsuit is all over the front pages.
https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1425213387219382274?s=20
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 10, 2021, 09:05:23 PM
He has to live somewhere and he rarely goes away from his home...... so what's the point of pressuring him to leave the lodge
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He now has a lawsuit, he shouldn't in any way or form have any ties with the Crown Estate. There are many cottages at Balmoral or Sandringham. The Crown Estate is tied to the monarchy, the BRF.
He can't escape this lawsuit now.
What about Andrew taking a very very long leave from the royal family and living in his house in Switzerland? I don't think HM will do anything and as far as moving out of RL it makes no sense as he has had this house and lease before Epstein I think..pls correct me if I am wrong.
Andrew is now not a working member of the Firm and is not seen at family events in the news, like Beatrice's wedding recently, only the media is the ones keeping track of him when he goes riding his horse. No one else cares what he does now yet this lawsuit is going to cause more trouble than ever regardless if he did or didn't do it with Virginia. Andrew will not I bet go to America and face Virginia so he needs to vanish into thin air for a very long time, like decades now.
Quote from: wannable on August 11, 2021, 12:16:38 AM
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He now has a lawsuit, he shouldn't in any way or form have any ties with the Crown Estate. There are many cottages at Balmoral or Sandringham. The Crown Estate is tied to the monarchy, the BRF.
He can't escape this lawsuit now.
I would think that Andrew has a ton of lawyers at his beck and call and he is taking their advice on what to do. He never hired girls for prostitution, never trained them, never bought them airline tickets to go to other countries and then have them sleep with other men, if is only reported by Virginia that Andrew had sex with her at age 17 which is not against the law in the UK or US.......and why doesn't Virginia sue the other men she slept with, name them also or is it just a British Royal Prince that is her target? I think Andrew is a sub-human being full of himself and his poo......like a former president in the US or I should say *presidents*. All Andrew has done according to Virginia is have sex with her....
Quote from: Nightowl on August 11, 2021, 02:25:29 AM
What about Andrew taking a very very long leave from the royal family and living in his house in Switzerland? I don't think HM will do anything and as far as moving out of RL it makes no sense as he has had this house and lease before Epstein I think..pls correct me if I am wrong.
Andrew is now not a working member of the Firm and is not seen at family events in the news, like Beatrice's wedding recently, only the media is the ones keeping track of him when he goes riding his horse. No one else cares what he does now yet this lawsuit is going to cause more trouble than ever regardless if he did or didn't do it with Virginia. Andrew will not I bet go to America and face Virginia so he needs to vanish into thin air for a very long time, like decades now.
Prince Andrew and his former wife Sarah, put their Swiss property up for sale last year. I have not heard if it's been sold yet.
Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson put luxury Swiss chalet on the market for ?18.3million | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/homes/2020060791094/prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-selling-luxury-swiss-chalet/)
Thank you TLLK for the info. I did not know that so I think it best remain where he is and not spend more money on another place or to fix up another place. Yet all that is in the hands of HM, Charles and William....not me. :flower3:
I haven?t heard that it is sold yet either. The last thing I read about the chalet was late last year, with stories that Andrew had dropped the price asked considerably, as that debt previously incurred to the owner was an embarrassment and therefore he and Fergie wanted it all off their hands and cleared, preferably before Xmas. However that doesn?t seem to have happened.
Prince Andrew is ordered not to release a statement protesting his innocence after being locked in crisis talks with the Queen and advisers - until his legal team have "fully examined exactly what they are dealing with" following US law suit action.
Prince Andrew locked in crisis talks with Queen and advisers, including ex-wife Fergie - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-locked-crisis-talks-24736979.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true)
Quote from: TLLK on August 11, 2021, 04:02:52 AM
Prince Andrew and his former wife Sarah, put their Swiss property up for sale last year. I have not heard if it's been sold yet.
Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson put luxury Swiss chalet on the market for ?18.3million | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/homes/2020060791094/prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-selling-luxury-swiss-chalet/)
I would think he is safer in the UK if he is in legal trouble. It would be good for him to disappear into thin air, as suggested, but he is still close to Sarah, who will make sure that their lives are not quiet. And to be fair, I suspect he is a comfort to HM despite all the trouble he has caused.
Quote from: wannable on August 10, 2021, 09:03:53 PM
I wish he self exiles at Balmoral, private estate. Like Wootton said, his daughters have moved, married, etc.
Aren't Beatrice and Eugenie still very close to both of their parents? So that would mean Andrew would not to move far away from them, and the Queen would sympathize. The situation will continue to unfold and may force some form of action in the near future.
I can't see that Andrew is going to move from Windsor..He is still close to his mother and she would problaby wish him to be nearby...and Eug is also living nearby....
It's listed in multiple sites as sale and rent.
Quote from: wannable on August 12, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
It's listed in multiple sites as sale and rent.
where? Not Royal lodge I am sure
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This Sydney news report goes through Andrew?s limited options. It also quotes Marlene Koenig of Royal Musings blog on the subject. I have a lot of time for Marlene who, unlike Lady CC genuinely does know royalty.
?But for now there is silence. Marlene Koenig, an expert royal commentator, said on Tuesday it would be prudent for Buckingham Palace to issue a statement on the matter. She said even an out-of-court settlement ?will mean guilt? for Andrew and suggested the prince could cease to use his titles, lose all remaining roles within the royal family, live privately and appear in public only at funerals. That summary was endorsed by Dickie Arbiter, the Queen?s former press secretary.?
Both parties are 50/50. I think he will win (regretfully).
I was referring to the latest comments about their Swiss chalet.
The Metropolitan Police chief said Prince Andrew is 'not above the law' as she announced her force were reviewing sexual assault allegations against him.
Dame Cressida Dick revealed that the Met were having 'another look at the material' in the alleged case against the Duke of York, but that no investigation was underway.
Prince Andrew ?not above the law? says Met police chief - Mail+ (https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/royals/94665/prince-andrew-not-above-law-met-police-chief?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=organic_twitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1628766495-1)
Yes, reading expert comments, PA (and probably the BRF) are or should be happy that the Met will have a look at the material. It's an official department in the UK government. The reasoning is whatever the Met writes, it will be used by the lawyer team of PA, hence the 50/50. Apparently there are approx. 12 inconsistencies with Virginia's claim by herself; saying one thing, then changing the story to another.
I don't follow that much, but I probably can copy paste those 12 points this coming weekend.
The regretful problem is that it's a civil case (money bag wish from Team Virginia) rather than a criminal case. The latter will not be persued, because it is very difficult to prove (apparently there is a witness that contradicts V)
Quote from: wannable on August 12, 2021, 10:23:59 PM
Yes, reading expert comments, PA (and probably the BRF) are or should be happy that the Met will have a look at the material. It's an official department in the UK government. The reasoning is whatever the Met writes, it will be used by the lawyer team of PA, hence the 50/50. Apparently there are approx. 12 inconsistencies with Virginia's claim by herself; saying one thing, then chaning the story to another.
I don't follow that much, but I probably can copy paste those 12 points this coming weekend.
And what about the inconsistencies in Andrew?s stories? And silence for all time isn?t going to save Andrew. In the court of public opinion complete silence is as bad or worse than speaking out.
I don't know if the TV interview or now the silence is a great strategy. Just know about lawyer.com comments sent to my whatsapp by my brother. I wouldn't possibly have access to the login private area.
Having cleared that, the ball is in Team PA lawyers since V officially requested a civil case. What PA's team does will greatly depend on the 50/50 balance. I do know a few screen shot tips, but PA has the best, so very likely they are applying it. Radio silence until they receive an official notice from a USA Court??? Maybe.
@Curryong Andrew lost the public opinion forever since December 2019. He has nothing to look there, but only the legal aspects so he can go back to his cave (forever).
It's a money issue, not a jail issue.
Nobody can go to jail over a civil suit. And that includes Andrew. If things come out in a civil suit that sometimes leads to criminal proceedings. However that is most unlikely to happen in this case. All I?m saying is that silence won?t necessarily help him in this situation.
Btw, the Met is NOT an arm of Govt nor is it a Govt department. It is funded by the Home Office and is subject to some HO directions but historically it has always been independent (since 1829.)
I think the lawyers think radio silence will help his case. The public opinion is lost forever, this is not their priority and never will be.
What a car wreck. I feel so sad for HM and the rest of the family and what they have to endure as this all grows deeper and more serious.
Quote from: Curryong on August 12, 2021, 10:47:11 PM
Nobody can go to jail over a civil suit. And that includes Andrew. If things come out in a civil suit that sometimes leads to criminal proceedings. However that is most unlikely to happen in this case. All I?m saying is that silence won?t necessarily help him in this situation.
Btw, the Met is NOT an arm of Govt nor is it a Govt department. It is funded by the Home Office and is subject to some HO directions but historically it has always been independent (since 1829.)
But HM and the rest of the family are badly affected and now THEY will have to pick up the pieces. I wonder if he begins to realize the ramifications of his bad judgment and action. To have to face this crisis at 95, OMG.
I totally agree with you 100%, just think that HM's son and grandson and his wife are causing such horrific pain for her at this age in life.......don't either of them have any respect for HM as a mother and grandmother? Is it all about money and what these people want in their lives before anything else. I am totally disgusted with both members of the royal family as they should be banned from any event even family if there are pictures or the media around.
https://honey.nine.com.au/royals/prince-andrew-westminster-abbey-bells-birthday-list-cut-royals/eb18ccc0-eb90-42f1-87a0-f5b11cec6f27
Westminster bells will no longer peal on senior Royals birthdays according to WA authorities. That includes Prince Andrew. The bells will only peal for the Queen and the Prince of Wales.
I?m only posting this magazine story because the original The Telegraph report is behind a paywall. The Telegraph is reporting that senior RN top brass are asking that Andrew?s honorary naval ranks be pulled. The report goes on to say that PA is not expected to take part in the Platinum Jubilee next year, at least in his capacity as Hon Colonel of the Grenadier Guards.
https://honey.nine.com.au/royals/prince-andrew-not-attending-platinum-jubilee-trooping-the-colour-after-sexual-assault-lawsuit/f3ff63c8-d9b7-4e7b-a7c8-bfd013426da8
I?ll tell you who I feel sorry for.
I feel sorry for all Epstein?s victims, for all the underage and teenage girls that Ghislaine Maxwell groomed for him to perform sexual favours for rich and powerful men like Prince Andrew.
I feel sorry for all the victims of Jimmy Saville, predator and hypocrite who raised money for charities as a way of finding victims in hospitals and orphanages. Charles?s dear friend, the prince who visited him at his home and wrote fawning letters to him while all this was going on.
Then there?s also the young male victims of Father Ball, Charles?s close friend, a paedophile whom Charles wrote comforting letters to while Ball was being investigated right up until he was found guilty. His judgement in people is quite frankly terrible and stubbornness with regard to Ball?s innocence made things 100 times worse. The victims of this man who was protected and befriended by a wealthy and influential Prince, are the ones I feel sorry for.
And while the Queen may well feel sorry for Andrew she hasn?t particularly shown any sorrow for what he has done. He was given a personal award by his mother just after this scandal first broke. He was later going to go up the list to be given an honorary Admiral position as per his rank until BP advisers decided better not.
And that photo taken in the car at Balmoral with both Andrew and the Queen grinning their heads off together on the way to church when this scandal was first starting to take off was not, to say the least a great look.
The Queen may be 95 but the way she has reacted to this Epstein scandal (not to mention his ?trade deals? for years) involving her son has probably hurt the monarchy a great deal more than her grandson ever could. Her habit of ostriching means that others have to make the hard decisions. Even if you are of a great age you don?t opt out of things because a favourite son is involved.
And to link Harry and Meghan?s decision to leave the RF and live elsewhere to become financially independent to Andrew?s activities is IMO appalling. Neither of them have ever been accused of corruption, nor of sexual misdemeanours, nor of friendship with a convicted paedophile and sex offender.
Nor, I might add, do they have friendships with predatory priests and with British show business personalities who masked their true interests in the disadvantaged by spurious charity work.
Jimmy Savile caused concern with behaviour on visits to Prince Charles | Jimmy Savile | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/oct/29/jimmy-savile-behaviour-prince-charles)
Jimmy Saville?s behaviour while visiting Charles.
Jimmy Savile admitted getting knighthood was 'a relief because it got me off the hook' | The Independent | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/it-was-relief-when-i-got-knighthood-because-it-got-me-hook-exclusive-interview-savile-1990-has-new-meaning-9571057.html)
The Prince of Wales?s friendship with a paedophile Bishop.
Prince Charles kept in touch with ex-bishop later jailed for abuse | UK child abuse inquiry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/20/prince-charles-kept-in-touch-with-ex-bishop-jailed-for-abuse-peter-ball)
Andrew made Knight Grand Cross by the Queen as the scandal broke.
How Queen Elizabeth II Gave Prince Andrew a Royal Honor After Epstein Scandal Broke (https://www.newsweek.com/queen-elizabeth-ii-gave-prince-andrew-royal-honor-after-epstein-claim-1533504)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abuse-inquiry-criticises-prince-charles-over-disgraced-bishop-rhxr5wtkp
A lot of what you say is very true Curryong, very true indeed yet and this is NO excuse, we are all just imperfect humans and everyone of us makes decisions that affect our lives be those decisions horrific or good. My only hope in this whole mess is that the future generations now will learn from this and work to make better decisions in their lives and mostly with the very people they are dealing with in public service. I wonder at times about HM and her decisions regarding Andrew yet I understand her love for her child, that right there can affect her decisions as I very well know that my love for my child affected my decisions for her and the results were in the end more horrific then anyone could imagine as those results were hers and not mine for her. I give HM no pass, I just understand as at one time I was in the same place with my child as she is now with hers.
Personally I think Andrew should be stripped of everything and put out to pasture somewhere far away with his ex wife. He does not deserve those titles and as far as Harry and Meghan are concerned, neither do they because no one, no member of any family should bad mouth their family in public for the world to see, read and hear. They left so go and be quiet and live your life peacefully and in private like you said you wanted. Make your fortune on your own back not the back of the family you betrayed.
I'd like to see Andrew lose the titles but Its not going to happen...Parliament has not made any moves towards it and the queen isn't going to take away HRH from her children or grandchildren. And he has to live somewhere so Windsor Seems as good a place as any... he is still her son and I think that whether people like it or not, he's been a comfort to her in the past year.
The Queen may not but Charles and William are all together different imo.
Andrew is just treading water but it's coming. To say an 'act of parliament' is needed to remove his dukedom sounds drastic but it's relatively straightforward and can be done in short order.
The last time titles were addressed was in 1917. That's 10 lifetimes ago by today's standards.
The days of Andrew or any royal having grand titles to just swan around and cash in on are over.
Not so easy to remove royal Ducal titles once they are acquired. There would have to be an extremely serious reason for such a measure. Being a traitor to one?s country is one, ie taking up arms against it, which in fact resulted in British titles being removed from the heads of German Royal Houses in WW1. The other is believed to be that the Duke would be found guilty of a serious criminal offence (such as being convicted of murder) resulting in a long prison sentence. (That has never happened.)
Various RRs have come forward this year (due to tabloid speculation) and stated that Harry?s (and now Andrew?s) ducal titles are unlikely to be removed. This is primarily because neither Harry or Andrew are guilty of the above offences. However, it is well known also that there are many republicans in the UK Parliament and once debate begins in the House over removing one set of titles nobody knows where it would end. The RRs including Jobson agreed that such a course would be regarded as most undesirable by advisors within BP, let alone by the Queen.
Quote from: Curryong on August 13, 2021, 01:12:24 PM
Not so easy to remove royal Ducal titles once they are acquired. There would have to be an extremely serious reason for such a measure. Being a traitor to one?s country is one, ie taking up arms against it, which in fact resulted in British titles being removed from the heads of German Royal Houses in WW1. The other is believed to be that the Duke would be found guilty of a serious criminal offence (such as being convicted of murder) resulting in a long prison sentence. (That has never happened.)
Various RRs have come forward this year (due to tabloid speculation) and stated that Harry?s (and now Andrew?s) ducal titles are unlikely to be removed. This is primarily because neither Harry or Andrew are guilty of the above offences. However, it is well known also that there are many republicans in the UK Parliament and once debate begins in the House over removing one set of titles nobody knows where it would end. The RRs including Jobson agreed that such a course would be regarded as most undesirable by advisors within BP, let alone by the Queen.
Yes, I agree, Curryong. That would hurt her even more than she has been hurt by andrew and Harry's actions. I hope parliament would not be so cruel to her, but I know that politicians sometimes do terrible things in order to retain favor with the voters. Meanwhile, the harm that Andrew and Harry have done is fodder for the republicans' arguments, and who knows where it may lead.
Quote from: wannable on August 12, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
It's listed in multiple sites as sale and rent.
Oh-oh! :no:
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 13, 2021, 05:51:19 PM
Yes, I agree, Curryong. That would hurt her even more than she has been hurt by andrew and Harry's actions. I hope parliament would not be so cruel to her, but I know that politicians sometimes do terrible things in order to retain favor with the voters. Meanwhile, the harm that Andrew and Harry have done is fodder for the republicans' arguments, and who knows where it may lead.
I can't see what is terrible about it. Of course the queen would not like it, but she has spoiled Andrew, and he should give up his title but we know he never would and the queen would not make him...
"There is no evidence that Queen Elizabeth's reputation has been tarnished yet. But in the era of #MeToo and amid a global reckoning on race, authority and privilege, that could change and Andrew will be aware how important his next moves are."
The civil suit against Prince Andrew has wider implications for the royal family - CNN (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/13/uk/royal-news-newsletter-08-13-21-scli-gbr-cmd-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true)
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 13, 2021, 07:50:30 PM
Why shouldn't they sell it?
Why not indeed. According to this report from last year Andrew and Fergie owe millions in Swiss francs because of late payments. They and the former owner of the chalet had an agreement to pay a certain amount off the cost of the property each month (in addition to the down payment at the time of sale.) There have been several non payments of these monthly sums along with promises (from Fergie) that the money was on its way promptly etc etc.
Even if the buyer is a royal there is no reason why this woman should be forced to wait for money owed to her. She lost patience and threatened to sue, and that?s the reason for the forced sale. Unfortunately, in this Covid climate no-one has been going on holiday to Switzerland or apparently been interested in purchasing such a property.
Prince Andrew being sued for nearly ?7m in dispute over Swiss chalet payments - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-being-sued-nearly-21993263)
I don't know anyone who has a 'vacation' rental that doesn't want to rent it, even though it's on sale. Vacation rentals don't go more than 3 months, minimum of 1 week. Matter of fact, most of vacation rentals are sold to a guest who wanted to try it for him/herself. Obviously that chalet is one of the largest, expensive, beautiful, fully equipped, 5 star with swimming pool, cinema, play room, 7 rooms, etc. The multiple websites that specialize in snowy holidays have pictures outdoors/indoors.
Some headlines today
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Prince Andrew could face ?14million in damages if he loses sex assault case that may take at least five years to get to trial when the Queen would be aged more than 100, says Epstein victims' lawyer
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Virginia Roberts' sexual assault lawsuit against Prince Andrew will be heard by NYC court on September 13: Attorneys will decide whether to serve royal with suit
Oh the lawyers haven't served him yet and are thinking about it?! Well, my previous comments taken from whatsapp/brother/lawyer.com are spot on so far. If you haven't been served with a civil case, keep radio silence until served.
I have a question, I am not a fan of Andrew's at all as he has shown his arrogance and self-importance in his life, yet Virginia says she has had sex with him at 17, well she was a sex slave for Epstein for how many years and had sex with how many other men, so why is she not suing at least some of these men besides Andrew....is it because of who he is and his position? Just making it a choice to sue only Andrew does not make her look good in my eyes. I am sure she remembers the other men and maybe there are records in the estate of whom all the girls had sex with.......and why isn't this part of the news? I have no doubt she had sex with Andrew and other men over the years yet to focus only on one makes her look like she is not telling the truth.
High end sex slave. Andrew is an easier target than the other ex president. For RIF legal reasons, it's best not to say the name. USD 15K at that time is like USD 100K to 150K today.
Quote from: wannable on August 13, 2021, 10:39:45 PM
I don't know anyone who has a 'vacation' rental that doesn't want to rent it, even though it's on sale. Vacation rentals don't go more than 3 months, minimum of 1 week. Matter of fact, most of vacation rentals are sold to a guest who wanted to try it for him/herself. Obviously that chalet is one of the largest, expensive, beautiful, fully equipped, 5 star with swimming pool, cinema, play room, 7 rooms, etc. The multiple websites that specialize in snowy holidays have pictures outdoors/indoors.
Well, if everything was/is so wonderful and the place is so luxurious why hasn?t this large and supposedly exquisite property been constantly rented out and/or paid off in the past 12 months?
Quite obviously something went wrong, or Andrew and Fergie wouldn?t have been threatened with being sued for non payment of what was owed to the previous owner in 2020. Either because the gravy train of ?gifts? and ?loans? from ?friends?, foreign oligarchs, or jobs offered to Fergie for one reason or another had ended, or one or another of them felt that other things came first is my guess.
People don?t threaten to sue for non payment of debt for no reason at all. There would have been previous communications between this woman and Andrew+Fergie previously, and yet this couple allowed things to get to such a position that legal proceedings were threatened, with all the added embarrassment of fresh headlines in the media. This was on top of the Epstein scandal that has been bubbling away for years.
There has been no news of Andrew or ex successfully selling this property to anyone (if there had been then the tabloids would have been on to it in a moment) and so one has to suppose that somehow Andrew raked up enough money from somewhere (perhaps Mummy) to stave off legal proceedings for a while until the place is sold. And it?s been on the market for a year.
The fact is this man, Andrew, is an absolute bloody disgrace, to his family, dynasty, country. The broadsheet newspapers hinted for years about dodgy dealings, shady friends and financial corruption surrounding him. In this they were shackled by British libel laws. However enough has come out about both him and his ex wife in the past ten years to show the world exactly what sort of people they are.
The tourism industry in it's totality has suffered greatly. Read it in numbers, they all had losses.
Note: The 15K I mentioned in my previous comment, was said by V herself.
^ Agree about Andrew. I can add more stuff, but I can't word it here. :happy15:
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 13, 2021, 07:50:30 PM
Why shouldn't they sell it?
Because it is an historical royal property, close to Windsor Castle, and perfect for members of the RF. It is also a beautiful building, and they don't make them like that anymore.
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 13, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
I can't see what is terrible about it. Of course the queen would not like it, but she has spoiled Andrew, and he should give up his title but we know he never would and the queen would not make him...
Amabel, I sincerely believe it would hurt HM very badly if they did. Nobody is perfect, but she has served for most of her life and who knows what sacrifices she has made in the name of duty. I hope they would not kick a 95-year old when she is down, and surely she is feeling down, though she doesn't always show it. Just my opinion, of course.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 14, 2021, 12:02:16 AM
Because it is an historical royal property, close to Windsor Castle, and perfect for members of the RF. It is also a beautiful building, and they don't make them like that anymore.
It's about the Swiss Chalet we are talking about, not the Royal Lodge, which belongs to Crown Estate. Crown Estate property can only be sold with approx. 20 plus people in the Board signing it off.
That is exactly what I said in my original post about the ski chalet business.
Note, below what I said
?Unfortunately, in this Covid climate no-one has been going on holiday to Switzerland or apparently been interested in purchasing such a property.?
As to the question about why Virginia is suing Andrew and nobody else, it is possible that she has more proof about Andrew and their relations than anyone else. The smoking gun is the photo of the two of them together in Ghislaine?s London town house, with the woman herself in the background. It?s proof that Virginia and Andrew were in the same place at the time she alleges.
Also some of these men are probably pseudo anonymous billionaires not in the public eye. They may well in the past have said ?Sue and be damned?, then kept a full team of lawyers at bay for decades until Virginia ran out of money or the Statute of Limitations ran out.
Virginia may have no photographic or other evidence of any of her other ?clients? that would help a court case. Perhaps President C didn?t wish to be photographed at any time, nor did the other powerful men in the public eye. It has been said that Epstein had at one time two way mirrors and recording equipment/bugs in his houses as a safeguard for himself if he later faced judicial proceedings, but who knows. Certainly none of that would have been available to any of the young girls allegedly groomed by Ms Marshall.
It will be interesting to see if another girl alleged to have been groped by Andrew with a Spitting Image puppet, who later said that she had her toes sucked by him at the NY house, gets involved in this law suit.
Incidentally Virginia received a financial settlement from Ghislaine M some years ago. Ghislaine said that Virginia was lying but settled out of court.
From wikki but there are other sources
Virginia Giuffre
Born
Virginia Louise Roberts
August 9, 1983 (age 38)
Sacramento, California, U.S.
Citizenship
United StatesAustralia
Organization
Victims Refuse Silence
Known for
Advocate of justice for sex trafficking survivors
Spouse(s)
Robert Giuffre (m. 2002)
Children
3
Website
VictimsRefuseSilence.org/
Giuffre has pursued criminal and civil actions against Epstein and Maxwell, and has appealed directly to the public for justice and awareness.[6] She sued Maxwell for defamation in 2015, and the case was settled in Giuffre's favor for an undisclosed sum in 2017.[7] On July 2, 2019, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ordered the unsealing of documents from the earlier civil suit by Giuffre against Maxwell.[8] The first batch of documents from Giuffre's suit were released to the public on August 9, 2019,[9] further implicating Epstein, Maxwell, and a number of his associates. The following day, on August 10, 2019, Epstein was found dead in his prison cell.
Andrew, Virginia and Johanna and the Spitting Image puppet groping incident in New York. The other girl Johanna Sjoberg backed Virginia up about it when Virginia got the defamation case settlement from Ghislaine in 2016/2017.
Prince Andrew ?groped Virginia Roberts and another woman using Spitting Image puppet of himself at Epstein's mansion? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12315944/prince-andrew-groped-virginia-roberts-spitting-image-puppet-epstein/)
More revelations about the 2017 suit against Ghislaine M in unsealed documents in which Virginia gives the names of several other men she was allegedly forced to service..
These are the most significant allegations in Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre's unsealed memoir (https://www.businessinsider.com.au/inside-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-virginia-roberts-unsealed-memoir-2019-8)
Quote from: Curryong on August 13, 2021, 11:46:44 PM
Well, if everything was/is so wonderful and the place is so luxurious why hasn?t this large and supposedly exquisite property been constantly rented out and/or paid off in the past 12 months?
?? Seriously? The propety has not been rented or sold because of the Covid crisis which has made it difficult if not impossible to travel, take holidays or sell property...
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 14, 2021, 12:05:35 AM
Amabel, I sincerely believe it would hurt HM very badly if they did. Nobody is perfect, but she has served for most of her life and who knows what sacrifices she has made in the name of duty. I hope they would not kick a 95-year old when she is down, and surely she is feeling down, though she doesn't always show it. Just my opinion, of course.
Maybe it woudl hurt her.... but Andrew's behavour was so bad that IMO she should have smacked him down over it ages ago.. and if the British people via their Government felt strongly that ANdrew should lose the Dukedom of York, hte queen should not object.... yes, I cut her some slack that Andrew is her son and a favourite one.. and that she's led a sheltered life and probably finds it possible to make excuses for him or not to believe all the stories.. but still, I think she must know that he crossed a line, that he came off SO badly in that interview that he has disgusted the public and at the very least, he had to retire from public duties. Andrew is still around, living near her, and she can see him.. and I think he is a comfort to her in the past year.. so if he were to lose his title or give up using it, I think it would hurt the queen but its not unbearable...
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 14, 2021, 12:02:16 AM
Because it is an historical royal property, close to Windsor Castle, and perfect for members of the RF. It is also a beautiful building, and they don't make them like that anymore.
This is not the property that they are selling. They can't sell the Royal Lodge because As far as I know, its a crown estate property on a long lease to Andrew. they are selling their chalet in Switzerland
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 14, 2021, 10:45:03 AM
?? Seriously? The propety has not been rented or sold because of the Covid crisis which has made it difficult if not impossible to travel, take holidays or sell property...
I replied to wannabie in the same way. Apparently neither of you read the original post I wrote about the sale of the chalet in which I stated, at the end of that post
?Unfortunately, in this Covid climate no-one has been going on holiday to Switzerland or apparently been interested in purchasing such a property.?
Prince Andrew is down to "a handful" of patronages as many more charities than the palace acknowledges drop him.
- Richard Palmer
Quote from: Curryong on August 14, 2021, 11:39:37 AM
I replied to wannabie in the same way. Apparently neither of you read the original post I wrote about the sale of the chalet in which I stated, at the end of that post
?Unfortunately, in this Covid climate no-one has been going on holiday to Switzerland or apparently been interested in purchasing such a property.?
well yes, that's obvious. Andrew would probably love to sell it but wasn't able to do so in the past year.
Quote from: Curryong on August 13, 2021, 11:46:44 PM
Well, if everything was/is so wonderful and the place is so luxurious why hasn?t this large and supposedly exquisite property been constantly rented out and/or paid off in the past 12 months?
I gather we all agree that the entire tourism industry has been negatively affected. Not one has escaped it. There is a new variant, which will make this industry to be more inventive in how to survive. Many will close their businesses.
A new headline today
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Prince Andrew 'will be served his sexual assault court papers in person', declares Virginia Roberts' lawyer
Until it ''actually'' happens, radio silence.
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 14, 2021, 10:51:33 AM
This is not the property that they are selling. They can't sell the Royal Lodge because As far as I know, its a crown estate property on a long lease to Andrew. they are selling their chalet in Switzerland
Sorry for the mix-up and thanks for correcting! For some reason I thought the Swiss property had already been sold.
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 14, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
Maybe it woudl hurt her.... but Andrew's behavour was so bad that IMO she should have smacked him down over it ages ago.. and if the British people via their Government felt strongly that ANdrew should lose the Dukedom of York, hte queen should not object.... yes, I cut her some slack that Andrew is her son and a favourite one.. and that she's led a sheltered life and probably finds it possible to make excuses for him or not to believe all the stories.. but still, I think she must know that he crossed a line, that he came off SO badly in that interview that he has disgusted the public and at the very least, he had to retire from public duties. Andrew is still around, living near her, and she can see him.. and I think he is a comfort to her in the past year.. so if he were to lose his title or give up using it, I think it would hurt the queen but its not unbearable...
I do agree it would be better for everyone if he would just go away and be out of the picture, which would solve a great deal. And I think she is pragmatic to a certain degree. I guess I just feel that at her great age it would hurt her too much.
Ghislaine Maxwell sells mews house in Belgravia - for ?1.75m | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9894181/Ghislaine-Maxwell-sells-mews-house-Belgravia-1-75m.html)
'Arrogant' Prince Andrew has underestimated the severity of the case against him | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9894193/Arrogant-Prince-Andrew-underestimated-severity-case-against-him.html)
Prince Andrew 'will be served his court papers in person', says sexual assault accuser's lawyer | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9893081/Prince-Andrew-served-court-papers-person-says-sexual-assault-accusers-lawyer.html)
Prince Andrew could face ?14million in damages if he loses US lawsuit | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9890179/Prince-Andrew-face-14million-damages-loses-lawsuit.html)
JAN MOIR: Prince Andrew's silence isn't golden... it just makes him look tarnished | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9889319/JAN-MOIR-Prince-Andrews-silence-isnt-golden-just-makes-look-tarnished.html)
Prince Andrew's legal team 'stonewalled' Virginia Roberts' claims for 'five years' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9882673/Prince-Andrew-face-SECOND-sex-abuse-lawsuit.html)
PIERS MORGAN: Prince Andrew must come clean to the FBI or be forever damned for cowardly silence | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9879841/PIERS-MORGAN-Prince-Andrew-come-clean-FBI-forever-damned-cowardly-silence.html)
Prince Andrew has refused to help US authorities despite stating he would, say court documents | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9879679/Andrew-refused-help-authorities-despite-publicly-stating-say-court-documents.html)
What next for Prince Andrew? Queen's son does NOT have diplomatic immunity | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9878463/What-Prince-Andrew-Queens-son-does-NOT-diplomatic-immunity.html)
Prince Andrew Sexual Assault Claims Being Reviewed by British Police | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-charles-source-says-prince-andrew-wont-return-to-royal-life-as-british-police-undertake-third-review-sexual-abuse-claims/)
Prince Andrew: Epstein Accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre Files Lawsuit | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-sued-by-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre/)
Prince Andrew to be handed court papers in person as royal holds crisis talks with Queen | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1476973/Prince-andrew-news-court-papers-virginia-giuffre-new-york-civil-suit-royal-news-queen)
Father of Prince Andrew's sex abuse accuser scolds Duke of York -'you should be ashamed' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1476983/prince-andrew-Virginia-Giuffre-virgina-roberts-dad-father-sky-roberts)
Prince Andrew: royal expert slams Prince's military prospects amid scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1476976/Prince-Andrew-military-titles-armed-forces-Virginia-Giuffre-royal-family-Angela-Levin-vn)
Royal family: Queen has to be mother and monarch as hard decisions follow Andrew | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1476949/Royal-family-latest-news-Prince-Andrew-the-Queen-Virginia-Giuffre-Angela-Levin-GB-News-vn)
Prince Charles seeks Balmoral crisis talks with Andrew after abuse lawsuit silence - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-seeks-balmoral-crisis-24757290)
'Increasingly doubtful Prince Andrew will hold onto HRH title' amid lawsuit - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/increasingly-doubtful-prince-andrew-hold-24753328)
Prince Andrew will have 'entourage of alibis or witnesses' in sex case, says expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-entourage-alibis-witnesses-24753842)
Witness prepared to testify that he saw Prince Andrew groping Virginia Roberts (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15871925/witness-prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-epstein/)
Lawsuit filed against Prince Andrew on allegations of sexual assault ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-lawsuit-filed-against-prince-andrew-on-allegations-of-sexual-assault-164175/)
Epstein's telecoms specialist will swear on oath he saw Prince Andrew groping Virginia Giuffre | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9894489/Epsteins-telecoms-specialist-swear-oath-saw-Prince-Andrew-groping-Virginia-Giuffre.html)
Federal judge denies Ghislaine Maxwell's argument that she should be freed like Cosby | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9893677/Federal-judge-denies-Ghislaine-Maxwells-argument-freed-like-Cosby.html)
From The Australian, a newspaper behind a paywall. It?s right wing and a Murdoch newspaper so I refuse to subscribe to it. However, just noticed this snippet below. Interesting, if true, that Mummikins is helping Andrew out with his legal expenses.
?Inconsistencies? in Prince Andrew?s story, royal aides admit.
Royal aides admit to doubts about Prince Andrew?s account of his dealings with underage rape accuser Virginia Giuffre as it?s revealed his legal bills are being underwritten by the Queen. SUBSCRIBE NOW to read the full story?.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 14, 2021, 05:44:08 PM
I do agree it would be better for everyone if he would just go away and be out of the picture, which would solve a great deal. And I think she is pragmatic to a certain degree. I guess I just feel that at her great age it would hurt her too much.
Where can he go? He's probably best to keep in retirement in Windsor and while the queen is here, he is a comfort to her...
US lawyers tried to serve Prince Andrew Virginia Giuffre sex assault papers on his horse | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9894567/US-lawyers-tried-serve-Prince-Andrew-Virginia-Giuffre-sex-assault-papers-horse.html)
Prince Andrew 'his own worse enemy' with damaging public persona | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477207/Prince-Andrew-news-Duke-of-York-public-persona-Prince-Charles-Jeffrey-Epstein-latest-vn)
Prince Andrew tracked by lawyers who planned Windsor Palace horse ride ambush | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477153/prince-andrew-windsor-castle-balmoral-castle-horse-ride-ambush-royal-family-virginia-giuff)
Prince Andrew lawsuit to be 'really hard' for Beatrice & Eugenie | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477104/Prince-Andrew-news-lawsuit-Princess-Beatrice-Eugenie-court-case-Jeffrey-Epstein-latest-vn)
It's time for Prince Andrew to clear his name in US, says Britain | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477099/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-roberts-sex-claims-poll)
Prince Andrew has 'two options' to save his royal reputation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477075/Prince-Andrew-news-Royal-Family-lawsuit-Jeffrey-Epstein-court-case-royal-reputation-vn)
Prince Andrew: HRH title in hands of 'parliament' claims expert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477029/Prince-Andrew-HRH-title-Virginia-Giuffre-court-case-royal-family-latest-news-The-Queen-vn)
Prince Andrew witness will swear under oath he saw duke grope Virginia Giuffre - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-andrew-witness-swear-under-24762424)
Prince Andrew's Epstein entanglement is royal headache that could end monarchy, says expert - Nigel Cawthorne - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/prince-andrews-epstein-entanglement-royal-24754315)
Royal Family news - Prince Andrew 'to be served court papers in person? & 'won't take part in Queen?s Platinum Jubilee? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/15859282/royal-family-news-latest-prince-andrew-court-virginia-giuffre/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15874471/prince-andrew-lawyers-ambush-windsor-palace/
Angela Levin has just proved that she doesn?t know what she?s talking about when she states that Andrew?s HRH can only be taken away by Parliament as it ?isn?t in the Queen?s jurisdiction?. She?s mixing up a styling, like an HRH, with a title, something tabloid journos often do, though you would think that Levin would have been around long enough not to make those sort of mistakes.
It?s the title the Dukedom of York that Parliament would have to tackle, though as I stated in a previous post it would have to be requested to do so by the monarch and BP, and there is no appetite for that, at this time anyway,
Round 2 for Andrew. I am sure this will be very hard on his daughters, a new mother, and soon-to-be mother.
Prince Andrew's lawyers 'will say he has diplomatic immunity over sex abuse lawsuit' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896555/Prince-Andrews-lawyers-say-diplomatic-immunity-sex-abuse-lawsuit.html)
Prince William Concerned Prince Andrew Lawsuit Will Affect Queen | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-william-concerned-prince-andrew-lawsuit-will-affect-queen-elizabeth/)
Ghislaine Maxwell sells ?1.75m home where Prince Andrew 'had sex with girl, 17' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ghislaine-maxwell-sells-175m-home-24764011)
Prince Harry's revenge and now Prince Andrew's sordid saga make Queen's nightmare 'Annus Horribilis' merely a rehearsal (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15878042/prince-andrew-queen-annus-horribilis/)
Prince Andrew ?sticking to his guns? over sex claims and is 'relaxed about lawsuit' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15877489/prince-andrew-sex-claims-relaxed/)
The civil suit against Prince Andrew has wider implications for the royal family - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/uk/royal-news-newsletter-08-13-21-scli-gbr-cmd-intl/index.html)
Prince Andrew case is under review in London, police chief says - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-case-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-london/)
Ghislaine Maxwell property, location vital in Prince Andrew scandal, sold for ?1.75million | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477733/Ghislaine-maxwell-prince-andrew-house-virginia-giuffre-royal-scandal-latest)
Prince Andrew may 'be finished' ? Charles hands tied as king | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1477082/Royal-Family-live-Prince-Andrew-court-legal-Queen-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-latest)
So many articles today. There are concerns about the impact this lawsuit will have on the entire Royal family.
Prince Andrew is 'person of interest' in Jeffrey Epstein investigation | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9901295/Prince-Andrew-person-Jeffrey-Epstein-investigation.html)
Prince Andrew?s reputation damaged for ever by Giuffre claims, experts say | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/20/prince-andrew-reputation-damaged-for-ever-by-virginia-roberts-giuffre-claims-experts)
Prince Andrew offered ?75m for chance to ?clear his name? with public lie detector test | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1479761/prince-andrew-news-lie-detector-test-Royal-Family-latest-Jeffrey-Epstein-update)
Prince Andrew offered ?75million to take public lie detector test over Jeffrey Epstein - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-offered-75million-take-24798441)
That's a large sum for taking a lie detecter test.
Queen wants Prince Andrew to remain colonel of the Grenadier Guards | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9915085/Queen-wants-Prince-Andrew-remain-colonel-Grenadier-Guards.html)
Quote from: sara8150 on August 22, 2021, 04:41:30 AM
Queen wants Prince Andrew to remain colonel of the Grenadier Guards | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9915085/Queen-wants-Prince-Andrew-remain-colonel-Grenadier-Guards.html)
So IF this is true, and God knows with this rag, the Grenadier Guards (and all the other regiments etc) will be stuck with an Hon Colonel who won?t be able to perform his duties for the foreseeable future, nor appear in public during next years Trooping celebrations with his regiment.
This won?t go down well will the public. If Andrew had the least shred of decency he would take the initiative, resign from all the posts he holds, tell his mother he doesn?t want the Colonelcy or any other honorary positions and crawl away under the nearest rock. Instead he continues to shelter behind mummikins? skirts.
The contempt I have for him has just increased, something I didn?t think possible.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: "The Grenadiers and all the duke's military appointments are in abeyance after he stepped back from royal duties for the foreseeable future in November 2019, this remains the situation."
The MoD declined to comment.
The comments about the Queen's decision are terrible. She's weak when it has to do with troubled members of the ''family'' rather than the ''firm'' interest.
US 'puts pressure on UK to hand over Prince Andrew for questioning over Epstein sex abuse claims' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9938417/US-puts-pressure-UK-hand-Prince-Andrew-questioning-Epstein-sex-abuse-claims.html)
Quote from: wannable on August 22, 2021, 04:20:37 PM
The comments about the Queen's decision are terrible. She's weak when it has to do with troubled members of the ''family'' rather than the ''firm'' interest.
She is 95 and has lost her husband this year. I think that Andrew should give up his military roles but it may be that things will remain in stasis until the queen's gone....
Andrew bolts for Balmoral: Prince quits Windsor to join his mother on her Scottish holiday | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9967863/Andrew-bolts-Balmoral-Prince-quits-Windsor-join-mother-Scottish-holiday.html)
Prince Andrew ?utterly convinced? rape allegations will ?blow over?? planning royal return | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1488453/prince-andrew-rape-allegations-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-latest-royal-return)
Prince Andrew makes second journey to Balmoral for stint with Queen | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1488001/prince-andrew-news-balmoral-queen-elizabeth-ii-royal-family-virginia-giuffre-latest)
Prince Andrew 'convinced' he'll 'brush off' rape allegations and be at Queen's Jubilee - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-convinced-hell-brush-24941153)
'Out of touch Prince Andrew's insistence on returning should come as no surprise' - Russell Myers - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/out-touch-prince-andrews-insistence-24941236)
Prince Andrew's lunch with Queen after he heads to Balmoral avoiding sex assault papers - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-lunch-queen-after-24941077)
Prince Andrew heads for Scotland after 'attempts to serve sex assault papers fail' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-heads-scotland-after-24934252)
Prince Andrew has lunch with Queen after fleeing to Balmoral to avoid being served sex assault papers (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16085777/queen-personal-lunch-prince-andrew-sex-papers/)
Prince Andrew bolts for Balmoral in bid to avoid being served sex assault papers (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16078341/prince-andrew-bolts-for-balmoral/)
With Andrew bolting there to stay with Mummikins in order to avoid being served with Court papers and Charles at Birkhall awaiting out the ?cash for access? scandal and resignation of several aides, the family holidays at Balmoral seem to have acquired an interesting twist this year.
Wonder whether there?ll be discussions on these matters between the brothers. As for Andrew believing he will be back in the fold in Platinum Jubliee year, he?s always been extremely vain and out of touch but that?s verging on delusional!
Prince Andrew has lunch summit with the Queen at woodland cabin in Balmoral | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9972997/Prince-Andrew-lunch-summit-Queen-woodland-cabin-Balmoral.html)
He had lunch summit with his mother the Queen Elizabeth II
Everything is always a ?crisis meeting?, a ?summit? or something equally dramatic with the tabloids. Considering the Queen?s habit of ostriching when it comes to her family it?s extremely doubtful that it was anything more than one of those picnic type lunches on the estate that the RF reputedly love so much. Andrew at the moment is paranoid about photographers and process servers so that would explain his furtive moves. If it gets to a proper crisis time it will probably be a round table meeting indoors at BP with Charles involved. Most of the moves however will IMO continue to be made between the teams of lawyers.
Prince Andrew's lunch with Queen after he heads to Balmoral avoiding sex assault papers - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-lunch-queen-after-24941077)
Just CONFIRMED on the court docket:
Prince Andrew was served with Virginia Giuffre's lawsuit late last month.
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1436370134109728769?s=20
Prince Andrew is served notice of sexual assault suit brought by Virginia Giuffre | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978529/Prince-Andrew-served-notice-sexual-assault-suit-brought-Virginia-Giuffre.html)
Prince Andrew Served with Papers in Sexual Assault Lawsuit | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-served-papers-in-virginia-roberts-giuffre-sexual-assault-lawsuit/)
Prince Andrew officially served with civil lawsuit ? details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210910121443/prince-andrew-officially-served-civil-lawsuit-papers/)
Prince Andrew served with lawsuit from Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/10/prince-andrew-lawsuit-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-virginia-giuffre)
Prince Andrew served lawsuit papers in Virginia Giuffre case - pretrial date confirmed | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1489487/prince-andrew-news-lawsuit-papers-virginia-giuffre-pretrial-date)
Prince Andrew avoiding sexual assault lawsuit, accuser's lawyer claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1489343/prince-andrew-news-avoiding-lawsuit-royal-family-virginia-giuffre-latest)
Prince Andrew served with legal papers at gates of Royal Lodge in Windsor | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-10/prince-andrew-served-with-legal-papers-at-home-in-britain-over-giuffre-claims)
Prince Andrew served court papers in sex assault law suit amid rape allegations - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-served-court-24958747)
Prince Andrew avoiding being served with legal papers in sex case, lawyer claims - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-avoiding-being-served-24954462)
Prince Andrew served with papers over bombshell sex assault allegations from Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16106139/prince-andrew-served-papers-rape-accuser-lawyers/)
Prince Andrew served with legal papers in sexual assault case ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-served-with-legal-papers-in-sexual-assault-case-165422/)
More trouble for Duke of York
Prince Andrew wants return to public life for Queen's Platinum Jubilee: 'No chance!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1489174/prince-andrew-news-queen-platinum-jubilee-virginia-giuffre-royal-family-spt)
I don?t think so!!
Prince Andrew's lawyers 'claim court papers in Virginia Roberts rape case were NOT properly served' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979079/Prince-Andrews-lawyers-claim-court-papers-Virginia-Roberts-rape-case-NOT-properly-served.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58523119
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58190212
Prince Andrew: Duke of York served with legal papers for sexual assault lawsuit, according to US court document | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-lawyers-for-woman-suing-duke-of-york-claim-he-was-served-with-legal-papers-12404352)
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Prince Andrew's legal woes lead Saturday's newspapers | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-11/what-the-papers-say--september-11)
Prince Andrew's lawyers 'claim sex assault court papers were not properly served' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-lawyers-claim-sex-24959779)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58527909
Prince Andrew: Duke of York served with legal papers for sexual assault lawsuit, according to US court document | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-lawyers-for-woman-suing-duke-of-york-claim-he-was-served-with-legal-papers-12404352)
Duke of York assembles lawyers to get Virginia Giuffre's sex abuse claims thrown out of court | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9981157/Duke-York-assembles-lawyers-Virginia-Giuffres-sex-abuse-claims-thrown-court.html)
SARAH VINE: Prince Andrew says he can't even remember meeting Virginia Giuffre | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980997/SARAH-VINE-Prince-Andrew-says-remember-meeting-Virginia-Giuffre.html)
Prince Andrew served with legal papers by sex assault accuser | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1489659/prince-andrew-news-lawsuit-virginia-giuffre-pretrial-date)
Epstein victims fear Prince Andrew will never face court as he 'hides behind lawyers' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/epstein-victims-fear-prince-andrew-24963323)
Prince Andrew brazenly holds shooting party days before sexual assault court hearing (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16113252/prince-andrew-shooting-party-sexual-assault-court-hearing/)
Prince Andrew 'risks incurring the wrath of judge by having his lawyers shun a pre-trial hearing' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9984129/Prince-Andrew-risks-incurring-wrath-judge-having-lawyers-shun-pre-trial-hearing.html)
Prince Andrew: US court to hold pre-trial hearing for sex assault claim against Duke of York | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-us-court-to-hold-pre-trial-hearing-for-sex-assault-claim-against-duke-of-york-12406750)
US court to hold pretrial conference in Prince Andrew sexual assault suit | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/11/us-court-to-hold-pretrial-conference-in-prince-andrew-sexual-assault-suit)
Prince Andrew?s lawyers 'to swerve tomorrow?s sex assault civil case hearing' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1490211/prince-andrew-news-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-latest)
Prince Andrew WON?T send lawyers to sex assault case today and will swerve the hearing (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16119540/prince-andrew-no-lawyers-sexual-assault-case-hearing/)
Hours in advance of today's initial hearing in Virginia Giuffre's lawsuit, an attorney enters a notice of appearance on behalf of Prince Andrew.
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1437447113017896964?s=20
Prince Andrew hires Armie Hammer attorney in lawsuit against Virginia Roberts Giuffre | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9986367/Prince-Andrew-hires-Armie-Hammer-attorney-Andrew-Brettler.html)
Father of Virginia Roberts calls for Prince Andrew to go to jail 'for a little while' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9985153/Father-Virginia-Roberts-calls-Prince-Andrew-jail-little-while.html)
Prince Andrew 'risks incurring the wrath of judge by having his lawyers shun a pre-trial hearing' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9984129/Prince-Andrew-risks-incurring-wrath-judge-having-lawyers-shun-pre-trial-hearing.html)
Prince Andrew: First Hearing for Virginia Roberts Giuffre Lawsuit Occurs | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-first-hearing-virginia-roberts-giuffre-lawsuit/)
Prince Andrew to challenge US court jurisdiction in sexual assault lawsuit | World News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-to-challenge-us-court-jurisdiction-in-sexual-assault-lawsuit-12407320)
New York court to hold pre-trial conference on civil suit filed against Prince Andrew | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/13/new-york-court-pre-trial-civil-suit-prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre)
Prince Andrew hearing TONIGHT - Duke in last-ditch hire as Hollywood lawyer to fight case | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1490668/prince-andrew-court-hearing-US-lawyer-virignia-guiffre-sexual-assault)
Prince Andrew facing 'major threat' over Virginia Giuffre case papers | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1490650/Prince-Andrew-latest-sexual-assault-case-virginia-giuffre-roberts-US-court-papers-VN)
Virginia Giuffre's father furious at Prince Andrew 'Royals can't do what they want!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1490322/Virginia-Roberts-Giuffre-father-prince-andrew-sexual-assault-allegations-royal-latest-vn)
Prince Andrew 'to continue wall of silence' amid Virginia Giuffre case claims royal expert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1490388/prince-andrew-news-wall-of-silence-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-case-royal-spt)
Prince Andrew to maintain silence despite Monday's court hearing over sex assault claims | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-13/prince-andrew-to-maintain-silence-despite-court-hearing-over-sex-assault-claims)
Prince Andrew should be in jail, says accuser Virginia Giuffre?s furious dad - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/prince-andrew-should-jail-says-24969530)
Prince Andrew lawyers 'won't attend' New York hearing today in sex assault claim - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-andrew-lawyers-wont-attend-24970529)
Prince Andrew's legal team in US being 'spearheaded by lawyer dubbed The Rottweiler' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-legal-team-being-24967481)
Prince Andrew hires top Hollywood lawyer to appear at sex assault case to fight Virgina Roberts' rape claim (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16128523/prince-andrew-lawyer-court-virginia-roberts-sex-assault/)
Prince Andrew to contest US sexual assault lawsuit ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-to-contest-us-sexual-assault-lawsuit-165576/)
So judge concludes that Prince Andrew WILL have the papers served on him at some point- via his new Holywood lawyer Andrew Brettler or via the UK Central Authority. Judge gave Giuffre's lawyer a week to find an alternative method to do it. Easier now Brettler's name is out there.
Informative thread from Chris Ship: https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1437527239353151489?s=20
Judge in Prince Andrew case gives Virginia Roberts' lawyers an extra week to serve legal papers | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9988085/Judge-Prince-Andrew-case-gives-Virginia-Roberts-lawyers-extra-week-serve-legal-papers.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58550197
NEW: The UK's High Court has "rejected the request for service of proceedings against Prince Andrew".
The request was made by US lawyers acting for Prince Andrew's accuser, Virginia Giuffre.
"There is no involvement by the High Court at present".
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1438101230962753539?s=20
^^^
BREAKING: The High Court has agreed to intervene in the Duke of York's sexual assault civil claim and will serve the lawsuit in accordance with international law.
Good. Whether this will do any good in the long run who knows. However the Court obviously recognises the difficulty of serving papers to a weasel who scuttles off to his 95 year old mother in Scotland every time any danger appears to threaten his royal person.
High Court in London accepts request from Virginia Giuffre's lawyers | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9993513/High-Court-London-accepts-request-Virginia-Giuffres-lawyers.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58574350
Prince Andrew: High Court accepts Virginia Giuffre's request to formally contact duke over alleged sexual assault case | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-high-court-accepts-virginia-giuffres-request-to-formally-contact-duke-over-alleged-sexual-assault-case-12408688)
High court will serve US court papers on Prince Andrew if necessary | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/15/high-court-will-serve-us-court-papers-on-prince-andrew-if-necessary)
Prince Andrew latest: Duke of York's legal strategy transformed after US lawyer intervenes | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1491325/prince-andrew-latest-Duke-of-York-civil-suit-new-strategy-us-lawyer-Virginia-Giuffre)
Prince Andrew update: High Court WILL serve US lawsuit to Duke in new bombshell | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1491615/prince-andrew-update-court-case-Virginia-Giuffre-lawyers-epstein)
'Public are fed up!' Prince Andrew urged to 'deal with' Virginia Giuffre and 'move on' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1490933/prince-andrew-sexual-assault-case-virginia-giuffre-royal-family-latest-vn)
Prince Andrew to maintain silence despite Monday's court hearing over sex assault claims | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-13/prince-andrew-to-maintain-silence-despite-court-hearing-over-sex-assault-claims)
Prince Andrew officially set to be served as UK court accepts request in sex abuse case - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-officially-set-24990689)
British judge 'could force Prince Andrew to testify in UK over US sex assault lawsuit' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-judge-could-force-prince-24985740)
Phillip Schofield makes dig at Prince Andrew?s ?sweating? problem during lawyer chat - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/phillip-schofield-makes-dig-prince-24980728)
Prince Andrew will face Virginia Roberts sex assault case in the US after High Court agrees to serve him papers (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16147396/andrew-sex-abuse-lawsuit-high-court-papers/)
Prince Andrew has suffered an early setback in his US sex assault case after a judge refused to unseal a confidential document signed by his accuser, @VRSVirginia, which his legal team is convinced will get him off the hook.
The judge was cutting in her remarks, saying that as far as the court was aware, Alan Dershowitz (who made the request claiming it was "a matter of professional ethics") "has not been commissioned as a roving ethics monitor".
https://twitter.com/victoria_ward/status/1438555725194792961?s=20
US judge deals blow to Prince Andrew's bid to dodge being served his sex abuse case legal papers | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9999999/US-judge-deals-blow-Prince-Andrews-bid-dodge-served-sex-abuse-case-legal-papers.html)
Prince Andrew challenges a High Court ruling that he can be served with papers over his US sex case | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9999431/Prince-Andrew-challenges-High-Court-ruling-served-papers-sex-case.html)
Prince Andrew can request unsealing of 2009 Epstein settlement, judge says | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/16/prince-andrew-lawsuit-unseal-settlement)
Prince Andrew 'is now worried' after High Court decision and 'not his usual blas? self' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-is-now-worried-25004912)
Prince Andrew can avoid being served with sex abuse lawsuit by staying at Balmoral (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16161793/prince-andrew-avoids-sex-abuse-lawsuit-balmoral-scotland/)
Prince Andrew 'worried' after High Court decision and 'not his usual blas? self', source says (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16164033/prince-andrew-worried-high-court/)
Virginia Roberts releases photos that PROVE sex assault papers were sent to Prince Andrew at his home address (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16167137/virginia-roberts-sex-assault-prince-andrew-home-address/)
Virginia Roberts's lawyers release photo of papers being posted to Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10001387/Virginia-Robertss-lawyers-release-photo-papers-posted.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58593836
Prince Andrew: Photo of legal papers being posted to the duke released by lawyers for Virginia Giuffre | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/photos-of-legal-papers-being-posted-to-prince-andrew-released-by-lawyers-for-virginia-roberts-12410512)
Prince Andrew to be served with legal papers - what will happen next in the Guiffre saga? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1492834/prince-andrew-case-what-will-happen-next-virginia-guiffre-evg)
Virginia Giuffre releases photo 'proving sex assault papers sent to Prince Andrew' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/virginia-giuffre-releases-photo-proving-25009597)
Prince Andrew could delay sex abuse lawsuit legal papers by staying in Scotland - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-could-delay-sex-25006251)
In an email to the Prince's American lawyer Andrew Brettler, Guiffre solicitors wrote: "Dear Mr Brettler, Pursuant to Judge Kaplan's September 16, 2021, order granting Plaintiff's motion for alternate service (attached), I am serving by email the Summons and Complaint in the above-captioned matter on you in your capacity as counsel for the Defendant, Prince Andrew, the Duke of York.
"We are also sending the Summons and Complaint by FedEx to your office at 2049 Century Park East, Suite 2400, Los Angeles, California."
Prince Andrew formally served with papers in US sexual assault lawsuit - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-formally-served-25032011.amp?__twitter_impression=true)
Search (https://thewest.com.au/news/human-interest/prince-andrew-accepts-service-of-lawsuit-c-4063729)
Andrew has conceded in so far as service of his legal papers regarding Virginia Guiffre?s law suit is concerned. The service has been formally accepted and has been filed in Manhattan.
:nocomment: I am so tired of his evasive actions. Don't plan to add anything more to this thread until I can wake up and read the headlines stating that Andrew is going to pay a huge settlement and/or is permanently banished to a form of house arrest.
Secret document Virginia Roberts signed in 2009 'will not save Prince Andrew from court' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10026579/Secret-document-Virginia-Roberts-signed-2009-not-save-Prince-Andrew-court.html)
Prince Andrew FINALLY concedes proper service of legal papers in Virginia Giuffre suit | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10026213/Prince-Andrew-FINALLY-concedes-proper-service-legal-papers-Virginia-Giuffre-suit.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58682356
Prince Andrew officially received court papers over Virginia Guiffre sex assault claims | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-25/prince-andrew-officially-received-court-papers-over-sex-assault-claims)
Prince Andrew finally concedes proper service of legal papers in sexual assault lawsuit - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-finally-concedes-proper-25068389)
Prince Andrew concedes papers WERE served in the sex assault lawsuit filed by accuser Virginia Giuffre (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16237366/prince-andrew-papers-served-sex-assault-virginia/)
Prince Andrew has dramatically changed his legal strategy to fight sex abuse claims, with an ally last night saying: 'Now it?s time to turn and fight back to clear his name.'
'Now it's time to turn and fight': Prince Andrew dramatically changes strategy | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10028605/Now-time-turn-fight-Prince-Andrew-dramatically-changes-strategy.html)
It will be extremely hard to ?clear his name? at this point, as he has admitted, albeit with a half a dozen caveats, that he met and kept in touch with Epstein after that individual?s conviction on sexual molestation charges regarding minors, especially as he stayed in his house with its bizarre furnishings. That is enough to condemn him in the court of public opinion.
With regard to Ms Guiffre he stated that he had no recollection of meeting her, which the photo of them taken together in Ghislaine Maxwell?s own home belies. Other evidence of his being on Epstein?s island at the same time as Virginia will no doubt be tendered via the pilot record of passengers.
As for evidence of sex between the two it comes down to he said-she said, but on the balance of probabilities, which is what is needed in a civil case, it is muddied. As for rehabilitating his reputation in the public arena Andrew hasn?t a hope.
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre set to hand over secret document which could defeat her case (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16243341/prince-andrew-accuser-secret-document/)
Quote from: sara8150 on September 26, 2021, 12:47:49 AM
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre set to hand over secret document which could defeat her case (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16243341/prince-andrew-accuser-secret-document/)
Andrew?s legal team can look for inconsistencies all they like. However Guiffre has every right to bring this case. She?s not stymied by what she signed. The article itself quotes
?The secret agreement is said to not apply to the royal ? instead releasing lawyers, employees, agents and heirs from liability in connection with the Epstein case.?
Russell Myers
@rjmyers
EXCL: A woman who claims she saw Prince Andrew dancing with his alleged sex abuse accuser the night he says he was at Pizza Express has agreed to testify against him in the United States
Prince Andrew's defence to allegations of sexual assault launched in a civil claim will be heard for the first time in court on November 3, it can be revealed.
Prince Andrew's defence in sex assault case to be heard in court for first time - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrews-defence-sex-25096482.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true)
Prince Andrew returns to the Royal Lodge to meet his new granddaughter | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10048579/Prince-Andrew-returns-Royal-Lodge-meet-new-granddaughter.html)
Prince Andrew hires Princeton-educated lawyer to fight sexual assault suit from Epstein 'victim' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10047901/Prince-Andrew-hires-Princeton-educated-lawyer-fight-sexual-assault-suit-Epstein-victim.html)
Queen 'spending millions privately funding Prince Andrew's fight against sex assault lawsuit' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051795/Queen-spending-millions-privately-funding-Prince-Andrews-fight-against-sex-assault-lawsuit.html)
New Andrew setback: Virginia Roberts' lawyers win release of paperwork | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10050699/New-Andrew-setback-Virginia-Roberts-lawyers-win-release-paperwork.html)
Prince Andrew latest: 'Queen spends millions to privately fund Duke's civil lawsuit' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1500017/prince-andrew-latest-queen-funding-civil-lawsuit-virginia-giuffre)
'The Queen funding Duke of York?s legal fight against sex abuse allegations' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-queen-funding-duke-yorks-25120675)
Queen 'is spending MILLIONS funding Prince Andrew's fight against sex abuse allegations' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16306055/queen-prince-andrew-defence-sex-abuse/)
If the Queen really is spending millions of her Dukedom of Lancaster moneys helping Andrew with his legal bills (how exactly does the Fail know this, drones outside the windows of Balmoral, lol?) there might be an ever so slight problem if the case drags on for years.
No-one, not even a monarch, can guarantee that they are going to wake up tomorrow, and when one gets to 95 that is even more so.
If Charles is prepared to continue on with these huge sums for years to aid Andrew more fool him say I, and I?m not convinced that he will. Nor is it likely that William would be willing if his father died early in his reign (not that I think that?s likely at all). Unlike his father William isn?t likely to have huge amounts of Duchy of Cornwall money in his paws for decades and the Lancaster money will be largely required for his own family?s expenses and those of his other siblings after he becomes King.
So if I were Andrew?s team I?d be suggesting a settlement in a few months.
Whoops, put this in the wrong thread for some reason. So sorry! Could this post be put in the Andrew thread, pleeeaze?
Doooone :teehee:
I for one find that very hard to believe that HM is spending that kind of money on Andrew regardless whether he is her son or not. That to me seems like the tabloids playing games with the public and trying to create more drama for the royal family. If HM is paying for his defense then it maybe coming out of her own personal money, not taxpayer money....can't HM do as she wishes with her own money........after all the lady is not broke and has millions tucked away for retirement..... :laugh10:
Prince Andrew's legal team will be allowed to review Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre deal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10066933/Prince-Andrews-legal-team-allowed-review-Jeffrey-Epstein-Virginia-Giuffre-deal.html)
Interesting article yet it is the DF so can it be believed.......NO.
It seems that yesterday the Judge in Manhattan has given Andrew?s legal team permission to look over Virginia?s prior settlement with the Epstein estate. That is true enough. Whether that absolves Andrew or is irrelevant to Guiffre?s case against him will be for the Judge to decide if future proceedings commence I guess. However, I wouldn?t call it exactly a win for Andrew.
From the relevant bit of the DM article?..
?Epstein's estate had agreed to let Prince Andrew's legal team review the legal document, but court approval was needed.
At a hearing in Manhatten yesterday, District Judge Loretta Preska granted the approval.
At a hearing last month, Andrew Brettler, a lawyer for the prince, told the judge overseeing Ms Giuffre's lawsuit that he believed the agreement 'absolves our client from any and all liability.'
During the first pre-trial hearing of the case last month, he said: 'There has been a settlement agreement that the plaintiff has entered into in a prior action that releases the duke and others from any and all potential liability.'
However, David Boies, one of the lawyers representing Ms Giuffre, said in a court filing last month that he believed the settlement was 'irrelevant' to her case against the prince.?
Front page headline DM
Royals close door on Andrew: Charles, Edward and Anne 'block his return to public life' as William brands him a 'threat to the Firm' and Scotland Yard quiz Virginia Giuffre over claims he raped and sexually assaulted her when she was 17
Prince William sees Andrew as a 'threat to the royal family, insiders claim | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076053/Prince-William-sees-Andrew-threat-royal-family-insiders-claim.html)
Prince William is 'no fan of uncle Andrew' and sees Duke of York as a 'threat' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1503582/prince-andrew-news-latest-jeffrey-epstein-Virginia-Giuffre-david-boies-court-case-new-york)
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre interviewed by Met detectives over allegations he raped and abused her (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16376138/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-giuffre-interviewed-met/)
Andrew?s not coming back to public life anyway, and he knows it and the RF knows it. However, the idea that William stomps around issuing edicts about this person and that and the other, with his grandmother still firmly on the Throne and his father always very conscious of HIS position as heir (while William is still only the heir to the heir), is in the sort of Delusionland that the Fail and its fellow tabloids inhabit. And the Times as well if it?s pushing this sort of rubbish.
There seems to be a feeling in the British tabloid media (God knows where it comes from) that William is already de facto King (when in fact it may well be another 20+ years or more before he gets there in reality) and that therefore what he says goes. Not so.
I?d actually enjoy being a fly on the wall at Windsor when William supposedly tells his grandmother that her baby (repulsive though he is) is a threat to her and the rest of the royals. HM might be 95 but she?s still capable of issuing an icy reproof to those who impinge on her authority, both within the family and without.
This was authorized gossip by Charles, Anne, Edward and William for the 'firm'. The Queen's money helping her disgraced son is 'motherly'. She has her '' I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service.'' So basically, even IF she doesn't approve or agree with C, A, E and W, she can't sue them or the media because the wording of ALL the articles has to do with ''duty'', which Andrew is out for life.
The alleged William source said it best in reference to W's thoughts of his Uncle Andrew, 'ungracious and ungrateful' attitude towards his position.
I won't blame the Daily Mail, they are copying/pasting by purchasing the Times copyright the original article. The Times isn't a tabloid.
Scotland Yard has said it will take 'no further action' over sex abuse allegations made against Prince Andrew.
Force said it had conducted two reviews into allegations surrounding Jeffrey Epstein and the Duke of York.
Met Police DROPS investigation into Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10078231/amp/Met-Police-DROPS-investigation-Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein.html?__twitter_impression=true)
It was extremely doubtful from the beginning that the Yard would take ?any further action?, so that doesn?t come as a surprise. That doesn?t mean that Virginia?s claims have no merit, nor that the civil suit won?t be pursued in NY. And it certainly doesn?t mean that Andrew is going to go back to his life as a working royal as a result of the decision. He?s done as far as any public life is concerned.
Camilla Tominey's perspective on whether or not the DoY could be "rehabilitated" by some miracle and return to public life. :no:
Prince Andrew will need a miracle to return to public life - even if his name is cleared - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-X7z837WGY)
QuotePrince Andrew is now facing a three-week deadline to a decade-long saga.
Lawyers representing the Duke?s long time accuser, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, lodged a document with the New York court confirming that it had on Monday delivered the claim to his American counsel, Andrew Brettler, by both email and FedEx. Prince Andrew now will have 21 days to file a response or risk a judgment by default.
But according to The Telegraph's Associate Editor Camilla Tominey, even being legally cleared of any wrongdoing might not be enough to rehabilitate the Duke of York.
"Regardless of any legal outcome, the problem for the Duke of York is that he's been found guilty in the court of public opinion", Camilla said, "the stench of that still lingers".
In the latest episode of Royal Insight, Camilla Tominey looks into how the Duke is currently perceived by the public and why it would be so difficult, in the current climate, to reverse his reputation and bring him back to public life.
It's very unlikely even if Tominey's example of Andrew heroically diving into a body of water to save a drowning victim were to come true, Andrew has been considered to have a reputation of being boorish and difficult for many years now. Even if he were to be cleared and the civil suit dropped, he's still a massive liability due to his extremely poor judgement when it came to his association with Jeffrey Epstein. Now while he's a military veteran and there's some sympathy for his daughters IMO, it's not enough to really ever have a positive influence on Andrew's overall reputation.
Prince Andrew is seen for first time after Met Police DROPPED probe | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10079761/Prince-Andrew-seen-time-Met-Police-DROPPED-probe.html)
DAN WOOTTON: Prince Andrew is a gambler willing to bet the fate of his family on beating sex scandal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10081261/DAN-WOOTTON-Prince-Andrew-gambler-willing-bet-fate-family-beating-sex-scandal.html)
Prince Andrew has become 'isolated' from the Royal Family, editor claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10079535/Prince-Andrew-isolated-Royal-Family-editor-claims.html)
Prince William Considers Prince Andrew's Legal Battles 'Really Dangerous' to the Monarchy: Report | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-william-considers-prince-andrew-a-threat/)
London Police Taking No Further Action Against Prince Andrew | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/pince-andrew-london-police-no-further-action-against-in-sexual-abuse-case/)
Prince Andrew: Met Police taking 'no further action' after reviewing sexual assault claims against Duke of York | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-met-police-taking-no-further-action-after-reviewing-sexual-assault-claims-against-duke-of-york-12431112)
Met decision to drop Prince Andrew inquiry ?no surprise?, says ally | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/11/met-decision-to-drop-prince-andrew-inquiry-no-surprise-says-ally)
Prince Andrew 'blocked from Prince Charles? royal banquet' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1504128/prince-Andrew-news-prince-Charles-banquet-royal-family)
Due investigation of Jeffrey Epstein
Andrew's lawyers have 'changed their tactics' 'Not a good place for Royal Family member' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1503975/prince-andrew-laywers-tactics-Virginia-Giuffre-royal-family-latest-vn)
Police drop criminal probe in Andrew alleged sex crimes investigation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1504160/prince-andrew-sex-crimes-investigation-probe-dropped)
Police drop sex crimes probe into Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1503891/prince-andrew-news-virginia-giuffre-met-police-probe-latest)
Prince William is 'no fan of uncle Andrew' and sees Duke of York as a 'threat' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1503582/prince-andrew-news-latest-jeffrey-epstein-Virginia-Giuffre-david-boies-court-case-new-york)
Police ordered to reveal 'crucial evidence' on Prince Andrew's trial | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1503690/Prince-Andrew-Scotland-Yard-evidence)
Prince Andrew: Ex-police chief's outrage at Met's decision to drop sex probe - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-ex-police-chiefs-25190887)
Prince Andrew is 'only person in world' clinging to return to public life, says expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-only-person-world-25187195)
Prince Andrew 'banned from eating with Charles and other senior royals at banquet' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-banned-eating-charles-25184672)
Due investigation of Jeffrey Epstein
Prince Andrew: Why the Metropolitan police will take no further action in Giuffre case - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-metropolitan-police-take-25185993)
Prince Andrew grins in his Range Rover after police drop sex claim probe against him without speaking to accuser (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16389967/prince-andrew-smiling-police-drop-sex-claim-probe/)
Former senior Met cop slams force for dropping sex crime probe into Prince Andrew (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16392010/cop-slams-dropping-sex-crime-probe-prince-andrew/)
Metropolitan Police to take no further action against Prince Andrew following review of sexual assault claims ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/metropolitan-police-to-take-no-further-action-against-prince-andrew-following-review-of-sexual-assault-claims-166936/)
Charles, Anne and Edward weigh into the Prince Andrew row ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charles-anne-and-edward-weigh-into-the-prince-andrew-row-166917/)
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Prince Andrew 'will be PULLED from all next year's Platinum Jubilee events' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10134175/Prince-Andrew-PULLED-years-Platinum-Jubilee-events.html)
Due investigation of Jeffrey Epstein
Prince Andrew lawsuit 'will cast cloud over Queen's Platinum Jubilee' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10131725/Prince-Andrew-lawsuit-cast-cloud-Queens-Platinum-Jubilee.html)
Prince Andrew to be pulled from all Platinum Jubilee events due to US court case deadline (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16545281/prince-andrew-to-be-pulled-from-all-platinum-jubilee-events-due-to-us-court-case-deadline/)
Prince Andrew sex case set to clash with Queen's Jubilee as judge sets deadline - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-sex-case-set-25299183)
Prince Andrew to be ?invisible? during the Platinum Jubilee celebrations so he doesn?t distract from The Queen?s special year ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-to-be-invisible-during-the-platinum-jubilee-celebrations-so-he-doesnt-distract-from-the-queens-special-year-167610/)
QuoteThe Duke of York will be ?invisible? from The Queen?s Platinum Jubilee celebrations next year so as not to distract from the events marking Her Majesty?s 70 years on the throne.
A US court has scheduled his sexual abuse lawsuit at a time that is likely to clash with Her Majesty?s jubilee celebrations.
Speaking to The Sun, a royal source said that Prince Andrew will be ?invisible? during the four days of national celebration which will take place from June 2 to June 5 next year.
It is unlikely that the 61-year-old will appear at any royal event for the Jubilee, including the balcony appearance alongside his family at Buckingham Palace.
When approached by The Sun, neither Buckingham Palace nor a spokesperson for the Duke of York offered any comment.
Royal expert Nigel Cawthorne told the newspaper: ?It is very sensible otherwise the attention would all be on Andrew.
?It is an embarrassing situation for the Queen especially as she is stumping up for his defence. He just has to keep his head down.?
It's a reasonable decision in my opinion and I don't expect that too many members of the public will miss seeing him.
Document Prince Andrew's legal team hope could halt Virginia Giuffre court case to remain sealed | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-27/document-prince-andrews-legal-team-hope-could-halt-court-case-to-remain-secret)
Prince Andrew's lawyer asks judge to seal 2009 agreement in Virginia Roberts case | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10134189/Prince-Andrews-lawyer-wants-2009-legal-deal-sealed.html)
Judge says key document in Prince Andrew's 2009 settlement with Virginia Roberts CAN remain a secret | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10137201/Judge-Prince-Andrew-suit-says-key-document-secret.html)
BREAKING Prince Andrew responds to lawsuit accusing him of rape and dismisses claim - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-responds-lawsuit-25331419?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar)
Oh Andrew has really made a mess of his life when he had the opportunity to do so many good things for his country and others in need. Karma has a way of coming back to bite really hard when she wants to and his turn is coming very soon.
Andrew will have to answer these allegations in detail in Court, but not necessarily in person.
Catherine Oxenberg, second cousin to Andrew met Epstein on several occasions and knew Ghislaine Maxwell rather better. She has written a book on those encounters and conversations, aptly titled ?Trash?. Though why anyone would want to pursue their acquaintance, God knows.
An arrogant fool who was destined to get in trouble. Red 🚩 since 20 plus years ago.
Quote from: Nightowl on October 30, 2021, 06:52:47 AM
Oh Andrew has really made a mess of his life when he had the opportunity to do so many good things for his country and others in need. Karma has a way of coming back to bite really hard when she wants to and his turn is coming very soon.
:goodpost:
Prince Andrew asks US judge to dismiss lawsuit alleging sexual abuse | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-lawsuit)
Prince Andrew news: Royal fury rises as duke?s court case sparks 'abolish monarchy' calls | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1514116/prince-andrew-news-abolish-the-monarchy-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-latest)
Prince Andrew news: Duke's lawsuit threatens to 'take focus away' from Queen's Jubilee | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1513248/prince-andrew-news-virginia-giuffre-lawsuit-queen-elizabeth-ii-platinum-jubilee-vn)
Prince Andrew is accused of 'victim shaming' by branding Virginia Giuffre a publicity-hungry liar | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10148353/Prince-Andrew-accused-victim-shaming-branding-Virginia-Giuffre-publicity-hungry-liar.html)
Prince Andrew asks US court to dismiss Virginia Giuffre's 'frivolous' sexual abuse lawsuit | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-29/duke-of-yorks-lawyers-issue-firm-denial-of-virginia-giuffres-sex-abuse-claims)
Prince Andrew claims sex abuse accuser tried to procure 'sl**ty girls' for Epstein - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-claims-sex-accuser-25339139)
Prince Andrew's legal team brand his sex accuser Virginia Guiffre a 'money-hungry sex kitten' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16585783/prince-andrew-sex-kitten-legal-team-sex-accuser/)
According to Andrew he knew nothing about Epstein?s nefarious activities. Now all of a sudden he knows who was doing what during the whole operation. And, if he believed that Guiffre acted as a sort of Madam for Epstein and presumably Ghislaine, what does that say about his friendships! There wouldn?t be too many men who are anxious to advertise that they were best friends with a man who enjoyed playing around with young girls but also that he himself slept with a girl who recruited others for a sex ring.
Through investigation, Virginia's family members, other people attached to her who benefited with moneys made, her mother who can't keep shut, the American lawyers of Andrew were able to make a file of her activities. Andrew has money (investigators daily life, expenses, hotel, travel, gas, food, going from one town to another, to get factual proof, no proof it remains a gossip) so these lawyers were able to get everything that supports Viriginia's activities. Other than the mother, the ex boyfriend was able to give a lot of information which A's lawyers were able to find receitps.
Usually when one hires a lawyer in a civil lawsuit, the lawyers usually will do their best to find all the skeletons of the opponent. The more damaging the file, it might serve to dismiss a case.
It's not the first time, when in a court of law a 'precedent' is set, it goes in the books of law, so future law decisions can be made by other similar cases, etc.
Not everyone likes Lady C, but she did a video months ago stating that Andrew's lawyers were able to get a lot of proof and make a file. Basically the mother and ex boyfriend gave most of the information and that information was able to be backed up with proof of receipts. One of Andrew's lawyers is a friend of Lady C.
Even if Andrew?s lawyers bring a 1,000 pro-Andrew documents into Court, even if Guiffre is proven a liar on every point, even if the judge dismisses the case against him, that is not going to assist Andrew in the Court of public opinion.
He still has the friendship with Epstein, after that individual was named as a sex predator and went to jail, to be explained, ditto the visits to his that NY mansion, to the island where young girls were available for sex. Still has the evidence of his long friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell, who will almost certainly go to jail after her trial for her activities. He has also tried his hardest to wriggle out of this civil case by all means possible. Not a good look!
And if this trial is not dismissed Virginia Guiffre also has money, and no doubt witnesses, including other women who also had Andrew grope and assault them.
Andrew is finished as a working royal for all time. His money, or rather his mother?s bank balance, won?t get him out of this one.
As for Lady C, I can imagine her mixing socially with high powered and slimy lawyers.
It?s still remembered in the UK that she was on a British breakfast TV programme and came out in hot defence of Andrew, stating that he was not a paedophile. The rest of the guests and the hosts were shocked and disgusted beyond measure at her attitude.
Lady Colin Campbell defends Prince Andrew on GMB (https://au.news.yahoo.com/lady-colin-campbell-defends-prince-andrew-soliciting-sex-paedophilia-110412505.html)
?Soliciting sex from a minor is not paediphilia?. ?Someone aged 14 is not a child?. Really! ??!!
I think he only wants to win the case. So he can vacation and travel his early retirement/rest of his life.
Everything else Royal related, he knows he will never serve. Charles Edward Anne and William already told him no.
In addition there is a difference between Civil suits and Criminal prosecutions.
US law, as in most English-speaking and in Commonwealth jurisdictions, took its legal system largely from England. That system has grown to be based, in its Criminal or Common-law courts, upon a mixed pattern of statute law, based on Acts passed by Parliament over the centuries, and English Common-law practices which often became based upon custom or precedent over many centuries.
Civil Law developed very differently.
1. Common Law as Differentiated from Civil Law
The American system is a ?common law? system, which relies heavily on court precedent in formal adjudications. In our common law system, even when a statute is at issue, judicial determinations in earlier court cases are extremely critical to the court?s resolution of the matter before it.
Civil law systems rely less on court precedent and more on codes, which explicitly provide rules of decision for many specific disputes. When a judge needs to go beyond the letter of a code in disposing of a dispute, the judge?s resolution will not become binding or perhaps even relevant in subsequent determinations involving other parties.
So what are you saying?
It's a civil lawsuit. That he hasn't traveled to let's say Spain to play his annual golf is a precaution.
Basically, he hasn't traveled anywhere out of the UK. If he wanted to, the advice is don't. For whatever reason, covid19, your tattered image, harm from a nut, kidnapping, many options.
Quote from: wannable on October 31, 2021, 08:05:38 PM
I think he only wants to win the case. So he can vacation and travel his early retirement/rest of his life.
Everything else Royal related, he knows he will never serve. Charles Edward Anne and William already told him no.
Regardless, Andrew will remain deep in disgrace, and getting Guiffre?s suit dismissed will not change that one iota, in spite of his lawyers, or Lady C leaping to his defence. In her book on the Sussexes I myself believe that ?the Royal Prince? she asserted had told her this and that about the couple was probably Andrew plus the socialite circle he once cultivated around him.
Quote from: wannable on October 31, 2021, 08:15:08 PM
So what are you saying?
It's a civil lawsuit. That he hasn't traveled to let's say Spain to play his annual golf is a precaution.
My post on Civil vs Common law jurisdictions in English law divisions was in response to your first post today on this law suit in which you seem to infer that Andrew?s rebuttal to Guiffre may enter the law books as a precedent.
I was merely pointing out that Civil Law rarely operates on Precedent unlike Criminal Law. Civil Law in most English speaking countries is instead mainly codified. IMO that is more like the Continental system of law which has no Common Law elements in it.
And IMO the two main reasons he hasn?t travelled overseas is (a) Covid restrictions and (b) there is really not much point. The oligarchs and others in Eastern Europe who used to cultivate him for his supposed contacts within the RF and London banking circles are almost certainly no longer interested. Andrew did not want to travel within the US over the past two years for quite obvious reasons.
If the case is similar to a past lawsuit, a judge can and has certainly used precedent.
It is extremely unusual to do so and if past law suits in the US have been referred to in Civil Court disputes that is not strictly precedent as is used in criminal cases. As I stated Civil Law has quite different parameters.
The different roles of case law in civil law and common law traditions create differences in the way that courts render decisions. Common law courts generally explain in detail the legal rationale behind their decisions, with citations of both legislation and previous relevant judgments, and often an exegesis of the wider legal principles. These are called ratio decidendi and constitute a precedent binding on other courts; further analyses not strictly necessary to the determination of the current case are called obiter dicta, which have persuasive authority but are not technically binding.
By contrast, decisions in civil law jurisdictions are generally very short referring only to statutes and are fact-based. The reason for this difference is that these civil law jurisdictions apply legislative positivism ? a form of legal positivism ? which holds that legislation is the only valid source of law because it has been voted on democratically; thus, it is not the judiciary's role to create law, but rather to interpret and apply statute, and therefore their decisions must reflect that.
It's not absolute. There's no factual legal yes or no. Some as in Similar lawsuit cases have been used.
Lawsuits in America have shaped law in the land.
2 employees 100 years ago did a lawsuit, employer said the used peyote drug, fired. This set a precedent in drug use when working. Fired and compensation not.
I have 4 more of the most famous civil lawsuit in the USA that are precedent if anyone wants more examples.
All lawsuit decisions can be downloaded in the USA digitally to use for reference, curiosity or whatever floats ones boat. Just have to register real name, drivers license, bar # if a lawyer, journalist, independent or in behalf of...
I would suggest that the judges in Civil cases following that particular decision were looking at Statute Law enacted in response to it. Statute law rather than Common Law precedents are a very different thing. Once the law is changed in a particular State all judges in whatever jurisdiction have to obey it.
And what complicates cases in certain States is that there are still codified laws on the Statute books, ie Louisiana, as below.
The alternative to the common law system is called a civil law system. In a civil law country, the legislatures pass very specific statutes, and these are applied by the courts. Each judge who decides a case looks to the statute, rather than the previous cases, for guidance.
In theory, in ambiguous cases each judge is free to reinterpret the statute as necessary to fit the facts of the specific case. Although this interpretation need not draw on previous decisions by other judges, civil law judges do try to ensure some consistency in the application of the law by taking into consideration previous court decisions. Louisiana retains some of the civil law procedures that were in force before it joined the United States.
In other words it is consistency of previous cases in response to Statute law that governs the decisions in Civil Courts.
The Supreme Court of Oregon, which is not a Civil Court, ruled on this particular case.
EMPLOYMENT DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES OF OREGON, et al., Petitioners v. Alfred L. SMITH et al. | Supreme Court | US Law | LII / Legal (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/494/872#writing-USSC_CR_0494_0872_ZO)
An explanation of the difference between the two jurisdictions.
Judicial precedent therefore works on the basis of the principle of stare decisis, a Latin phrase which means ?let the decision stand?. The common law now has certain rules. For example, only certain parts of a judgment becoming binding precedent, and only if handed down by a superior court.
By contrast, civil law can be traced back to Roman law. The use of a codified system here allows for primary sources of law to be recorded in legal codes, which are intended to cover the law in a particular area.
The legal system of the United Kingdom is classified as a common law system, similar to the U.S., although there are many codified laws in the form of statutes. This is in contrast to our European neighbours such as France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, where the legal systems are entirely codified and therefore operate on a civil law basis.
Anyway, we are getting very very far from the Andrew/Guiffre law suit which has not yet begun, if it does. So I suggest we leave this discussion where it is for now until something occurs which may be relevant.
That's all very good, my short none fancy version is Lawyers can and very well refer precedent lawsuits, download them tweak it here and there and up the winning percentage.
Richard Palmer
@RoyalReporter
So the judge hearing Virginia Giuffre?s civil case against Prince Andrew has set a target of holding the trial between September and December next year.
If the Andrew/Guiffre trial is to be held between Sept and Dec 2022 that means the whole first half of the year will have this scandal hanging over the preparations and events of Jubilee Year and into the autumn and winter the public may well be reading all the graphic details in the newspapers for weeks at a time. Well done, Andrew!
I know he is going to be hidden away as much as possible, but, like ?the ghost at the feast? this thing won?t be going away any time soon, and the stench of it will probably not disappear for years.
Prince Andrew Lawsuit: Virginia Giuffre Court Date Is Set | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-roberts-trial-date-set/)
US judge sets January hearing for Prince Andrew lawyers in Virginia Giuffre case | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/04/us-judge-prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-lawsuit)
Prince Andrew court date confirmed to kick off Queen's Platinum Jubilee year | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1516754/prince-andrew-news-court-case-date-queen-platinum-jubilee)
Andrew's accuser sued by victim of Epstein for ?15 MILLION | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1516706/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-Rina-Oh-jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit)
Prince Andrew faces 'problem' fighting Giuffre lawsuit, expert claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1516526/Prince-Andrew-news-duke-of-york-court-case-jeffrey-epstein-royal-family-vn)
Prince Andrew saga: 'Buckingham Palace have washed their hands of it' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1516471/prince-andrew-lawsuit-virginia-roberts-giuffre-camilla-tominey-royal-family-vn)
Prince Andrew's lawyers 'moving up a gear' with defence strategy | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1516428/prince-andrew-lawsuit-update-legal-team-defence-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-giuffre-vn)
Prince Andrew trial news: Queen's son due to face court action next autumn | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1516000/prince-andrew-news-trial-date-queen-virginia-giuffre-latest)
Prince Andrew set for legal showdown with sex accuser in autumn next year - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-set-legal-showdown-25370687)
Prince Andrew's accuser Virginia Giuffre being sued for ?15m by fellow Epstein victim - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-giuffre-25370699)
The Sun
TODAY, 19:15
Fergie could be called to give evidence in Prince Andrew sexual assault lawsuit
PRINCE Andrew?s ex-wife Sarah Ferguson could be called to give evidence in a US lawsuit accusing him of raping a teen sex slave, reports claim.
Lawyers for Virginia Roberts Giuffre say they are seeking formal interviews with two ?witnesses? in the UK in the coming weeks.
The Duke of York also faces attempts to force him to give a deposition ? recorded questioning by lawyers that forms part of a civil lawsuit.
Details emerged in a brief hearing in New York yesterday when District Judge Lewis Kaplan set a provisional date for a court showdown next September.
The blockbuster trial would overshadow the Queen?s Platinum Jubilee in June, palace aides fear.
Prince Andrew accusations left out of Epstein-Maxwell case ? Daily Breeze (https://www.dailybreeze.com/2021/11/23/prince-andrew-accusations-left-out-of-epstein-maxwell-case/)
QuoteNEW YORK (AP) ? When Jeffrey Epstein?s longtime companion Ghislaine Maxwell goes on trial next week, the accuser who captivated the public most, with claims she was trafficked to Britain?s Prince Andrew and other prominent men, won?t be part of the case.
U.S. prosecutors chose not to bring charges in connection with Virginia Giuffre, who says Epstein and Maxwell flew her around the world when she was 17 and 18 for sexual encounters with billionaires, politicians, royals and heads of state.
She isn?t expected to be called as a witness in Maxwell?s trial, either.
Prosecutors will focus instead on four other women who say they were recruited by Maxwell as teenagers to be abused by Epstein. None has alleged the type of abuse by powerful international figures that Giuffre has detailed in interviews and court filings.
Bypassing Giuffre?s allegations about Andrew will keep the most explosive allegations against Maxwell out of the trial, but it will also allow prosecutors to avoid a big risk.
Records, witnesses and photos back up many parts of Giuffre?s account of her time with Epstein, the financier who died by suicide in 2019 while jailed ahead of his own sex trafficking trial. But Giuffre has acknowledged getting key details wrong in her story over the years, including initially falsely saying in a lawsuit that she had been 15 when Epstein began to abuse her.
The men she?s accused have spent years attacking her credibility. Maxwell?s lawyers might have tried to have some of them testify.
Besides Andrew, Giuffre has said she was sexually trafficked to former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell, the noted lawyer Alan Dershowitz, the French modeling scout Jean Luc Brunel and the billionaire Glenn Dubin, among others.
All have said her accounts are fabricated.
Prince Andrew: Youngest Ghislaine Maxwell accuser tells court she flew with the Duke of York in private plane (https://www.gbnews.uk/news/prince-andrew-youngest-ghislaine-maxwell-accuser-tells-court-she-flew-with-the-duke-of-york-in-private-plane/169831)
The Daily Beast:
Prince Andrew?s Lawyer Argues Virginia Giuffre Was Old Enough to Consent Under New York Law (https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-andrews-lawyer-argues-virginia-giuffre-was-old-enough-to-consent-under-new-york-law?source=twitter&via=desktop)
As much as it pains me to say, they have a point. Now I need to go bathe in bleach.
Yes it pains me too
@Macrobug67 and I'd have the same concerns as I would for any young person who was groomed by an older more sophisticated adult. However she was old enough to consent.
I'm not sure why Mr. Boies believes that the Duchess of Sussex would be an appropriate witness to testify against the Duke of York. She had not met Prince Harry during the time period that refers to Ms. Giuffre's suit. Does he plan to call Sarah, Duchess of York or Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie? Or is this simply because Meghan resides in the U.S.? If that's the case, why not call his nephew Prince Harry? :unsure: This makes no sense at all!
Virginia Roberts Giuffre?s lawyer suggests calling Meghan Markle to testify in Prince Andrew case | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/meghan-markle-prince-andrew-trial-b1980527.html)
QuoteMs Markle could have some ?important knowledge,? David Boies, the attorney representing Ms Giuffre, told The Daily Beast on Tuesday.
Mr Boies said he might seek to depose Ms Markle as part of the civil suit slapped against the prince by Ms Giuffre and said he believed Ms Markle could be expected to ?tell the truth.?
?She is somebody we can count on to tell the truth,? Mr Boies said. He also believed that she might have picked up some ?important knowledge? about the royal?s behaviour.
He said Ms Markle was a ?close companion to Prince Andrew and therefore probably saw what he did.?
He also cited three reasons for Ms Markle to be a potential deposition subject.
?One; she is in the US so we have jurisdiction over her. Two; she is somebody who obviously, at least for a period of time, was a close associate of Prince Andrew and hence is in a position to perhaps have seen what he did, and perhaps if not to have seen what he did to have heard people talk about it. Because of her past association with him, she may very well have important knowledge, and will certainly have some knowledge.?
?Three; she is somebody who we can count on, to tell the truth. She checks all three boxes,? the lawyer added
Ms Giuffre is suing the prince over claims she was forced to have sex with him when she was 17 years old. The prince, however, has denied all allegations.
Mr Boies confirmed ?we would likely take one or two depositions of people close to Andrew who would have knowledge of his actions. That might include his ex-wife. It could possibly be his brother.?
However, the star attorney said no firm decision has been taken regarding Ms Markle?s deposition yet.
Mr Boies ruled out asking Prince Andrew?s mother to depose.
?I don?t think, out of respect and deference, and her age, we would seek to depose the Queen. I don?t think she is going to have any knowledge that other people don?t have. I think that he is unlikely to have spoken as freely to his mother about some of this stuff as he might have to his contemporaries or his ex-wife.?
That?s insane.
Why would Meghan have any knowledge of Andrew?s behaviour prior to 2017 when she settled in England. She knew Fergie, Eugenie and Beatrice through Harry but it?s doubtful Andrew was ever on her radar. I recall some snide remarks Andrew made about the Sussexes at the time of Eugenie?s wedding but I doubt that he was a favourite dinner guest of the couple even before that.
The only people in the RF who would know anything about Andrew?s activities re Ghislaine and Epstein are likely to be Fergie and Bea (if she can remember about the night Daddy was supposed to be with her at the pizza joint.) And this lawyer has a strange idea if she believes that Charles and Andrew have regular chats about Andrew?s love life. Wonder if she knows that senior royals can often go weeks without even seeing each other.
Maxwell has been found guilty of 5/6 charges
Facing up to 60 years
Underage orgies and a possible pregnancy - the key moments of Ghislaine Maxwell's sensational trial | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10332169/Underage-orgies-possible-pregnancy-key-moments-Ghislaine-Maxwells-sensational-trial.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty of Sex Trafficking | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-former-girlfriend-of-jeffrey-epstein-convicted/)
Ghislaine Maxwell convicted of grooming girls for Jeffrey Epstein - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-59435616)
Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty of recruiting underage girls to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-found-guilty-of-sex-trafficking-charges-12501445)
Ghislaine Maxwell: How girls were lured to be abused by Jeffrey Epstein | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-how-girls-were-lured-to-be-abused-by-jeffrey-epstein-12500819)
Ghislaine Maxwell: Two men, one woman, and a journey which ended in a New York courtroom | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-two-men-one-woman-and-a-journey-which-ended-in-a-new-york-courtroom-12500897)
Ghislaine Maxwell: Jury in sex trafficking trial told to work every day amid COVID spike | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-jury-in-sex-trafficking-trial-told-to-work-every-day-amid-covid-spike-12505579)
Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty in sex-trafficking trial | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/29/ghislaine-maxwell-sex-trafficking-trial-verdict)
Prince Andrew lawyer seeks to halt US case as accuser ?lives in Australia? | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/29/prince-andrew-lawyer-seeks-to-halt-us-case-as-accuser-lives-in-australia)
Ghislaine Maxwell found GUILTY - jury reaches verdict in sex trafficking trial | World | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1542597/Ghislaine-Maxwell-guilty-sex-trafficking-trial-jury-reaches-verdict-latest-news)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry face scorn from British public in vox pop interviews | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542320/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-GB-News-British-public-Royal-Family-Queen-latest-vn)
Prince Andrew bids for sex abuse case to be thrown out - Duke takes on Giuffre | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542387/prince-andrew-sex-abuse-case-duke-of-york-virginia-giuffre)
Andrew claims Virginia Giuffre has no right to sue in US | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542315/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-giuffre)
Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty in sex trafficking trial | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-12-29/ghislaine-maxwell-found-guilty-in-sex-trafficking-trial)
Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty of child sex trafficking charges - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-ghislaine-maxwell-found-guilty-25742449)
Ghislaine Maxwell: 5 bombshells from child sex trial - including 'little black book' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/ghislaine-maxwell-5-bombshells-child-25746530)
Prince Andrew challenges rape accuser?s right to sue in US 'as she lives in Australia' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-challenges-rape-accusers-25803805)
Ghislaine Maxwell GUILTY of grooming girls for paedo Jeffrey Epstein to abuse in sex-trafficking trial (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17096917/ghislaine-maxwell-guilty-of-grooming-girls/)
Ghislaine Maxwell trial verdict LIVE - Epstein 'Madam' convicted of sex trafficking and could spend rest of life in jail (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17153432/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-verdict-live-gmax-essay/)
Prince Andrew wants sex assault accuser Virginia Roberts's lawsuit tossed out because she 'lives in Australia' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17164962/prince-andrew-accuser-question-oath-court-bid/)
Quote from: Macrobug67 on December 29, 2021, 10:17:45 PM
Maxwell has been found guilty of 5/6 charges
Facing up to 60 years
Thank you for sharing this news and I hope that she receives the full sentence.
Jury finds Ghislaine Maxwell guilty of charges tied to Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/ghislaine-maxwell-verdict-2021-12-29/)
Ghislaine Maxwell trial: Jury finds she sex trafficked a minor for Jeffrey Epstein, guilty on five of six counts - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/29/us/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-wednesday/index.html)
CNN articles says between 60-65 years in prison up to judge decisions to sentence her
The charges against Ghislaine Maxwell in her federal sex trafficking trial, explained - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/26/us/ghislaine-maxwell-charges/index.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell's trial accusers: Four women testified they were sexually abused. Here's what they said - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/15/us/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-accusers/index.html)
Prince Andrew's attorneys claim court does not have jurisdiction over Virginia Giuffre lawsuit - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/29/world/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-jurisdiction-motion-intl/index.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell trial: late Jeffrey Epstein's longtime pal found guilty on 5 of 6 counts | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/ghislaine-maxwell-trial)
Ghislaine Maxwell convicted of federal sex trafficking charges for role in Jeffrey Epstein?s abuses (https://www.today.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted-federal-sex-trafficking-charges-role-jeffr-rcna10366)
Quote from: TLLK on December 29, 2021, 10:26:50 PM
Thank you for sharing this news and I hope that she receives the full sentence.
I agree! She and Epstein have ruined the lives of countless young girls, they should be held accountable. I wonder if this verdict will make it harder for Prince Andrew to hide away?
The very best news of the year.......so glad a jury of her peers found her guilty and may she really enjoy the pleasures of a prison filled with the worst sub humans in the world. She should be deeply ashamed of herself for harming young girls and destroying their lives when it comes to trusting people. I did a happy dance for this one... :thumbsup: :happycry: :fireworks:
I hope Ghislaine gets twenty years or more on her sentence, and rots in gaol. Unfortunately her type of person seems to adapt and even thrive in incarceration.
@Curryong- :notworthy: Brilliant but sad observation that is unfortunately so true.
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The spotlight must now turn to the rich men Ghislaine Maxwell trafficked girls for | Gaby Hinsliff | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/30/ghislaine-maxwell-has-been-convicted-now-the-spotlight-must-turn-to-her-friends)
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Well, now the world can finally see the seedy billionaire and his predatory girlfriend for what they were. Much like the guilty verdict handed to Harvey Weinstein almost two years ago, the result goes some way to restoring faith in the battered principle that nobody should be above the law. Yet there?s something profoundly unsatisfying about it nonetheless. That the woman who procured girls for Epstein and his wealthy friends will now die in prison, while the men involved remain either free to live their lives or (in Epstein?s case) beyond the reach of any mortal judge, provokes a nagging sense of unfinished business.
It goes without saying that Ghislaine Maxwell is not the victim here. Although her lawyers made much of the fact that Epstein?s prison suicide left her to carry the can for his crimes, suggesting rage at him had been unfairly projected on to her, the prosecution argued more convincingly that she was in fact critical to the enterprise. A lone middle-aged man asking teenage girls to visit his ranch is creepy, but the same invitation from a couple feels respectable, even benevolent. From an early age, we drum into children the idea that if they?re lost or scared they should seek help from a police officer first and, failing that, a woman. The girls Maxwell lured into her boyfriend?s clutches were reassured by an older woman?s presence and it?s the betrayal of that female trust that feels so monstrous. While these vulnerable teenagers looked to her for support, she was grooming them for sexual exploitation, normalising the perverted anything-goes culture inside his mansion. Strip away the yachts and the servants and all the other trappings of a billionaire lifestyle, and there is frighteningly little separating Maxwell from that tiny but grotesque pantheon of female offenders seemingly so desperate to be loved that they collude in their partners? abusive fantasies, even to the point of helping persuade someone else?s daughter into a car.
I choose to believe that Epstein received his just reward after death from a Power greater than any in this world. It?s true however that the Ghislaine Maxwell guilty verdict should provide an opportunity for the authorities to fully investigate everything that went on with this gruesome duo from the beginning, if only to ensure that such things do not happen so easily again..
No sweeping the activities of the powerful and wealthy men who thoroughly enjoyed the hospitality and services provided by the couple over the years and are now no doubt sitting sipping champagne in their luxury apartments or holiday homes today completely untouched and free. I?m not holding my breath though. I agree with the writer of the Guardian article. It is this that remains so frustrating out of the whole business. It makes my blood boil, quite frankly.
Key figure in case against Prince Andrew is former student who claims she met him at Epstein mansion | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357057/Key-figure-case-against-Prince-Andrew-former-student-claims-met-Epstein-mansion.html)
Jeffrey Epstein victim Chauntae Davies says she wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well in hell | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357019/Jeffrey-Epstein-victim-Chauntae-Davies-says-wishes-Ghislaine-Maxwell-hell.html)
Ghislaine's minions: Pressure mounts for Epstein's employees to be brought to justice | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10356335/Maxwells-henchwomen.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell's conviction could be overturned after judge pressured jury | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10356089/Ghislaine-Maxwells-conviction-overturned-judge-pressured-jury.html)
Prince Andrew MUST face criminal trial, says Jeffrey Epstein rape victim | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10356187/Prince-Andrew-face-criminal-trial-says-Jeffrey-Epstein-rape-victim.html)
The mystery of Maxwell's millions: Socialite claimed she had 'just' ?2.6m to her name | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355847/The-mystery-Maxwells-millions-Socialite-claimed-just-2-6m-name.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell's child sex trafficking conviction 'doesn't bode well' for Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355115/Ghislaine-Maxwells-child-sex-trafficking-conviction-doesnt-bode-Prince-Andrew.html)
Norwegian heiress denies being paedophile Jeffrey Epstein's secret mistress | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10356037/Norwegian-heiress-denies-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-secret-mistress.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell victim says she feels 'tremendous relief' over sex trafficking guilty verdict | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355909/Ghislaine-Maxwell-victim-says-feels-tremendous-relief-sex-trafficking-guilty-verdict.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell verdict: BBC admits interview with guest pundit Alan Dershowitz was a mistake | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355593/Ghislaine-Maxwell-verdict-BBC-admits-interview-guest-pundit-Alan-Dershowitz-mistake.html)
JAN MOIR: If you strip away the private jets from Ghislaine Maxwell, it's Rotherham all over again | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10356995/JAN-MOIR-strip-away-private-jets-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Rotherham-again.html)
Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz says Virginia Giuffre could now face sex crime charges | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355351/Epstein-lawyer-Alan-Dershowitz-says-Virginia-Giuffre-face-sex-crime-charges.html)
Norwegian heiress denies being paedophile Jeffrey Epstein's secret mistress | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10356037/Norwegian-heiress-denies-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-secret-mistress.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell's new prison will be like 'Disneyland' compared to her current jail | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10354379/Ghislaine-Maxwell-sent-Orange-New-Black-prison.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59827051
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Prince Andrew: Jeffrey Epstein's 2009 settlement with Virginia Giuffre to be made public next week | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epsteins-2009-settlement-with-virginia-giuffre-to-be-made-public-next-week-12506249)
Speculation grows that Maxwell may try to cut a deal for reduced sentence | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/30/ghislaine-maxwell-sentence-deal-speculation-jeffrey-epstein)
What was Ghislaine Maxwell convicted of and what happens next? | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/30/ghislaine-maxwell-what-happens-next-charges-sentencing)
Ghislaine Maxwell more evil than Epstein, says Virginia Giuffre | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/30/ghislaine-maxwell-more-evil-than-epstein-says-virginia-giuffre)
BBC says interview with Epstein lawyer did not meet its standards | BBC | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/dec/30/bbc-says-interview-with-epstein-lawyer-alan-dershowitz-did-not-meet-its-standards)
Maxwell guilty verdict a triumph for prosecution?s Lara Pomerantz | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/30/maxwell-guilty-verdict-prosecution-lara-pomerantz)
After Ghislaine Maxwell trial, spotlight to fall on Prince Andrew again | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/30/after-ghislaine-maxwell-trial-spotlight-to-fall-on-prince-andrew-again)
Prince Andrew looks for ways to avoid courtroom to protect monarchy | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542946/prince-andrew-court-sex-trafficking-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein)
Prince Andrew 'hopes' Epstein's settlement is a 'get out of jail free card' - CLAIM | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542892/prince-andrew-epstein-settlement-virginia-roberts-giuffre-royal-news-vn)
Prince Andrew issued warning over his friendships ahead of abuse case | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542729/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-guilty-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking)
Prince Andrew?s lawyers scramble in ?emergency talks? after Ghislaine Maxwell?s verdict | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542630/prince-andrew-Ghislaine-Maxwell-trial-ont)
Maxwell conviction intensifies focus on civil sex case against Andrew brought by Virginia Giuffre | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-12-30/attention-turns-to-civil-sex-case-against-prince-andrew-after-maxwell-conviction)
Ghislaine Maxwell sex lair butler says Prince Andrew must tell FBI all he knows - World News - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/prince-andrew-should-quaking-boots-25820461)
Epstein survivor who sued Ghislaine Maxwell calls on US to investigate Prince Andrew - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/epstein-survivor-who-sued-ghislaine-25820655)
What Ghislaine Maxwell trial means for Prince Andrew as he tries to keep evidence secret - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-ghislaine-maxwell-trial-means-25814147)
'Prince Andrew must co-operate with FBI and Queen would be wise to read riot act' - Voice of the Mirror - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-must-co-operate-25820836)
'New concerns over Andrew?s part in depraved world of Epstein now inevitable for Queen' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/concerns-over-andrews-part-depraved-25820723)
Prince Andrew's accuser says 'others must be held accountable' after Maxwell verdict - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-accuser-says-others-25813239)
Prince Andrew's lawyers 'locked in emergency talks' over Maxwell's conviction - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-andrews-lawyers-locked-emergency-25812988)
Prince Andrew holed up alone in Windsor after pal Ghislaine Maxwell convicted of sex trafficking & family go skiing (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17181341/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-sex-trafficking-jeffrey-epstein/)
I wish Ghislaine Maxwell well in hell, says Jeffrey Epstein rape victim Chauntae Davies (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17181150/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-rape-victim-chauntae-davies/)
Prince Andrew cannot spend his life hiding on royal estates - if he's innocent he must come out fighting (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17182641/prince-andrew-cannot-spend-life-hiding/)
Five ways Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal could see her ESCAPE justice on technicalities after sex trafficking conviction (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17179211/five-ways-ghislaine-maxwell-appeal-conviction/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17182375/ghislaine-maxwell-suicide-watch/
I wonder if she will give the list of all the dirty men who were involved. ALL have to pay someway or another.
All = 100 Percent list.
There are many UK and USA verified Social and Political accounts of Individuals who are asking Ghislaine to give a FULL list. Basically, they are all saying that Andrew can't be the ONLY one to be paying hell, where is the other 99% dirty men.
When Maxwell pressured journalist to drop 'horrible' abuse claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10358207/When-Maxwell-pressured-journalist-drop-horrible-abuse-claims.html)
Is Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal bid doomed to failure? Experts doubt she can overturn verdict | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10358385/Is-Ghislaine-Maxwells-appeal-bid-doomed-failure-Experts-doubt-overturn-verdict.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell's brother claims she was 'denied' a fair trial | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357921/Ghislaine-Maxwells-brother-claims-denied-fair-trial.html)
Prince Andrew remains alone in Windsor bolthole after Ghislaine Maxwell's trial ends | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10358079/Prince-Andrew-remains-Windsor-bolthole-Ghislaine-Maxwells-trial-ends.html)
Epstein assistant accused of supplying girls for the pedophile WILL NOT face charges | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10358445/Epstein-assistant-accused-supplying-girls-pedophile-NOT-face-charges.html)
Key figure in case against Prince Andrew is former student who claims she met him at Epstein mansion | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357057/Key-figure-case-against-Prince-Andrew-former-student-claims-met-Epstein-mansion.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell never escaped from the shadow of the monstrous father | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357031/Ghislaine-Maxwell-never-escaped-shadow-monstrous-father.html)
Prince Andrew's accuser insists she's a US resident | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357537/Prince-Andrews-accuser-insists-shes-US-resident.html)
Prince Andrew accuser demands he provide medical evidence that he can't sweat | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357597/Prince-Andrew-accuser-demands-provide-medical-evidence-sweat.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59839351
Prince Andrew's accuser Virginia Giuffre insists she is US resident and so lawsuit can continue | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-giuffre-insists-she-is-us-resident-and-so-lawsuit-can-continue-12506626)
Ghislaine Maxwell a 'scapegoat' and she won't 'flip' to help prosecutors, says brother | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-scapegoated-for-crimes-of-jeffrey-epstein-claims-her-brother-12506738)
Giuffre lawyers seek details on Prince Andrew?s claimed inability to sweat | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/31/giuffre-lawyers-seek-details-on-prince-andrew-claimed-inability-to-sweat)
Maxwell conviction increases scrutiny of other women who worked for Epstein | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/31/ghislaine-maxwell-convinction-increases-scrutiny-epstein-employees)
Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein thought they could get away with anything | Nancy Jo Sales | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/31/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-crimes-wealth-power)
Prince Andrew news: Duke could be forced to PROVE he could not sweat as new appeal launche | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1543259/prince-andrew-news-ghislaine-maxwell-virginia-giuffre-roberts-latest)
Andrew accuser in civil sex assault case asks for proof he didn't sweat and went to Pizza Express | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-12-31/prince-andrew-accuser-in-civil-sex-assault-case-asks-for-proof-he-didnt-sweat)
Prince Andrew left alone after Maxwell verdict as accuser's lawyer warn of 'justice' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-left-alone-after-25823511)
Prince Andrew breaks cover for first time since bombshell Ghislaine Maxwell verdict - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-breaks-cover-first-25824681)
Prince Andrew dealt another blow as judge DENIES bid to crush sex assault lawsuit because accuser 'lives in Australia' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17189115/prince-andrew-judge-denies-bid-crush-sex-assault-lawsuit/)
Stony-faced Prince Andrew breaks cover in first picture since sex trafficker pal Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17187669/stony-faced-prince-andrew-picture-since-ghislaine-maxwell-guilty/)
Prince Andrew cannot spend his life hiding on royal estates - if he's innocent he must come out fighting (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17182641/prince-andrew-cannot-spend-life-hiding/)
Piers Morgan says ?powerful men could be sweating? and not sweating? in dig at Prince Andrew after Maxwell?s conviction (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17185987/piers-morgan-powerful-men-sweating-prince-andrew/)
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Andrew 'could be asked to stop using Duke of York title' if he loses Virginia Roberts sexual assault lawsuit, and defence chiefs 'want "toxic" royal to quit military roles', while his family put on a united front at Swiss ski resort without him
Other ideas allegedly being considered by Royal household include sending Duke into some form of 'internal exile' and asking him to relinquish any links he still has to charities
In light of Duke's close friendship with Epstein and Maxwell, senior Army commanders believe it is not feasible for Andrew to carry on his role as colonel-in-chief of nine military regiments, units and corps
@wannable Fits the fact that he didn't tell the truth in the beginning, not that the truth should be overlooked, its that he blamed the victim over and over again that is so harmful to the entire royal family. Prince Andrew should face serious consequences for his association with Epstein.
Virginia Roberts' ex-boyfriend claims Prince Andrew abused her | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10362491/Virginia-Roberts-ex-boyfriend-claims-Prince-Andrew-abused-her.html)
Judge says Prince Andrew can't stop lawsuit from accuser with residency claim | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10362021/Judge-says-Prince-Andrew-stop-lawsuit-accuser-residency-claim.html)
DR MAX PEMBERTON: Yes, false memory is real... but not for victims of Ghislaine | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10362751/DR-MAX-PEMBERTON-Yes-false-memory-real-not-victims-Ghislaine.html)
Grenadier Guards officers are 'uncomfortable' at having to drink to the health of Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10363371/Grenadier-Guards-officers-uncomfortable-having-drink-health-Prince-Andrew.html)
Met Police under pressure to quiz Prince Andrew after friend Ghislaine Maxwell's conviction | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10362269/Met-Police-pressure-quiz-Prince-Andrew-friend-Ghislaine-Maxwells-conviction.html)
Prince Andrew has been driving brand new ?80,000 Range Rover around Windsor | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10362131/Prince-Andrew-driving-brand-new-80-000-Range-Rover-Windsor.html)
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre's secret settlement with Jeffrey Epstein to be made public today | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-giuffres-secret-settlement-with-jeffrey-epstein-to-be-made-public-today-12507864)
Judge says Prince Andrew cannot block lawsuit from accuser Virginia Giuffre on grounds she no longer lives in US | World News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/judge-says-prince-andrew-cannot-block-lawsuit-from-accuser-virginia-giuffre-on-grounds-she-no-longer-lives-in-us-12507446)
Court to unseal deal between Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/02/court-to-unseal-deal-between-jeffrey-epstein-and-virginia-giuffre)
Ghislaine Maxwell, the Demon Queen, is behind bars. Does she have a secret that could unlock her shackles? | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/02/ghislaine-maxwell-the-demon-queen-is-behind-bars-does-she-have-a-secret-that-could-unlock-her-shackles)
After her conviction, let?s call Ghislaine Maxwell what she is ? a sex trafficker, not a socialite | Joan Smith | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/02/lets-call-ghislaine-maxwell-what-she-is-a-heartless-sex-offender-not-a-fallen-socialite)
Prince Andrew faces headache as Met urged to probe Epstein and Maxwell UK links | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1543619/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-virginia-guiffre-jeffrey-epstein)
Prince Andrew looks for ways to avoid courtroom to protect monarchy | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1542946/prince-andrew-court-sex-trafficking-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein)
Settlement between Jeffrey Epstein and Virgina Giuffre to be made public | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-03/legal-document-in-andrew-civil-sex-case-due-to-be-made-public)
Prince Andrew could lose royal title if Jeffrey Epstein victim wins lawsuit - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-could-lose-royal-25835214)
'Inside Epstein house of horrors with my girlfriend - and how Prince Andrew split us up' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/inside-epstein-house-horrors-girlfriend-25833022)
Prince Andrew fears being named in Maxwell case as accusers can give impact statements - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-andrew-fears-being-named-25831989)
Prince Andrew 'DID abuse my girlfriend' says ex-love of Virginia Giuffre in new bombshell - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-andrew-did-abuse-girlfriend-25831737)
Top Army chiefs want 'toxic' Prince Andrew to quit his nine military roles - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-army-chiefs-want-toxic-25831831)
'Prince Andrew must quit military roles now and save Queen from mess no-one needs' - Voice of the People - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-must-quit-military-25831981)
Top lawyer urges Prince Andrew to stop hiding at Windsor Castle & give evidence in Virginia Giuffre sex abuse case (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17204352/lawyer-urges-prince-andrew-stop-hiding-evidence-virginia-giuffre/)
Prince Andrew to have secret Jeffrey Epstein deal made public TOMORROW - which he hopes could block rape lawsuit (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17202343/secret-epstein-deal-public-prince-andrew/)
Five bombshell pieces of evidence that ?prove? Prince Andrew DID meet rape accuser Virginia Roberts (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17188326/evidence-prince-andrew-meet-virginia-roberts/)
Artist claims Jeffrey Epstein & Ghislaine Maxwell tried to pimp her out at Donald Trump?s Mar-a-Lago members? club (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17204500/artist-jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-tried-to-pimp-her/)
Ghislaine Maxwell trial LIVE ? Convicted Epstein ?Madam? could face 65-year sentence as Scott Borgerson avoids court (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17153432/ghislaine-maxwell-scott-borgerson-husband-live-jeffrey-epstein/)
Queen Elizabeth news: Prince Andrew could be stripped of his Duke of York title as he 'must be interviewed by police' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16894789/queen-elizabeth-latest-news-prince-andrew/)
Like former King Edward VIII they now Duke of Windsor
'Prince Andrew abused my girlfriend when she was just 17 - she was scared by what Maxwell & Epstein made her do' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17199913/prince-andrew-abused-girlfriend-scared-maxwell-epstein/)
Prince Andrew might lose his ?Duke of York? title over New York lawsuit ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-might-lose-his-duke-of-york-title-over-new-york-lawsuit-170565/)
Legal document Prince Andrew believes 'will stop sex lawsuit' to be made public today - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/legal-document-prince-andrew-believes-25839192?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar)
Epstein's deal with Virginia Giuffre might not stop her suing Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364445/Epsteins-deal-Virginia-Giuffre-not-stop-suing-Prince-Andrew.html)
Rina Oh, 42, claims Epstein and Maxwell 'shopped her around' at Trump's Mar-a-Lago members' club | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364153/Rina-Oh-42-claims-Epstein-Maxwell-shopped-Trumps-Mar-Lago-members-club.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59857168
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre's secret settlement with Jeffrey Epstein to be made public today | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-giuffres-secret-settlement-with-jeffrey-epstein-to-be-made-public-today-12507864)
Jeffrey Epstein legal deal with Prince Andrew accuser to be unsealed | Jeffrey Epstein | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/03/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre)
Prince Andrew titles hard to remove due to constitutional hurdle Queen must abide by | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544152/prince-andrew-title-remove-law-queen-elizabeth-honour-duke-of-york-video-vn)
Top Army chiefs want 'toxic' Prince Andrew to resign from nine military roles | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544011/Prince-Andrew-resign-military-roles-Virginia-Giuffre-lawsuit)
Andrew could be asked not to use Duke of York title if he loses US case | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544001/Prince-Andrew-Duke-of-York-title-Virginia-Giuffre-lawsuit)
Veteran demands Prince Andrew steps down from Grenadier Guards post - 'Stain on history!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1543961/british-military-prince-andrew-grenadier-guards-latest-news-ont)
Seven witnesses who could link Prince Andrew to Virginia, Epstein and Ghislaine as Royal faces rape lawsuit (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17206826/seven-witnesses-prince-andrew-virginia-epstein-maxwell-lawsuit/)
Prince Andrew has only TWO options left - and silence isn't one of them, says lawyer for Epstein and Ghislaine victims (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17207965/prince-andrew-two-options-left-epstein-ghislaine/)
Prince Andrew to have secret Jeffrey Epstein deal made public TODAY ? but it may not save him from Virginia rape lawsuit (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17202343/secret-epstein-deal-public-prince-andrew/)
I am haunted by photo of Prince Andrew with his arm around my girlfriend's waist - the pain he caused tore us apart (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17206867/prince-andrew-photo-haunted-pain-virginia/)
Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre's secret settlement was made public on Monday, revealing she agreed to be paid $500,000.
Prince Andrew's lawyer believes the 12-page legal document will stop a civil sex lawsuit against the royal now it has been unsealed.
Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre?s secret $500k settlement made public | Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-secret-settlement-b974684.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1641233391-1)
Unsealed settlement between Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Robert makes no mention of Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364819/Unsealed-settlement-Jeffrey-Epstein-Virginia-Robert-makes-no-mention-Prince-Andrew.html)
Judge approves Ghislaine Maxwell to get a booster shot | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364845/Judge-orders-Ghislaine-Maxwell-booster-shot.html)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59861831
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre's confidential $500k settlement with Jeffrey Epstein made public | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/confidential-settlement-between-virginia-giuffre-and-jeffrey-epstein-made-public-12508098)
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre?s legal deal with Jeffrey Epstein released | Jeffrey Epstein | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/03/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre)
Prince Andrew accuser's secret ?371,000 deal with Epstein released by judge | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544204/Prince-Andrew-court-documents-Virginia-Roberts-Giuffre-case-jeffrey-epstein-settlement)
What Epstein settlement agreement with Virginia Guiffre means for Prince Andrew sex assault case | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-03/hat-epstein-settlement-agreement-with-accuser-means-for-prince-andrew-sex-case)
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre's secret deal with Jeffrey Epstein is released - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-25840715)
Legal document Prince Andrew believes 'will stop sex lawsuit' to be made public today - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/legal-document-prince-andrew-believes-25839192)
Prince Andrew accuser's secret $500k deal with Jeffrey Epstein is RELEASED as royal hopes it could torpedo case (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17209854/prince-andrew-secret-deal-jeffrey-epstein-released/)
Maxwell verdict puts pressure on Prince Andrew as he denies civil legal claim alleging sexual assault - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/video/maxwell-verdict-puts-pressure-on-prince-andrew-as-he-denies-civil-legal-claim-alleging-sexual-assault/)
Prince Andrew faces possible trial over Virginia Roberts Giuffre's sex abuse allegations - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-sex-abuse-trial-us-court-latest-virginia-roberts-giuffre/)
Prince Andrew can?t halt Virginia Giuffre lawsuit with domicile claim, judge rules (https://www.today.com/news/news/prince-andrew-cant-halt-virginia-giuffre-lawsuit-domicile-claim-judge-rcna10677)
Prince Andrew set for court showdown today as lawyers fight to get sex case thrown out - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-set-court-showdown-25845863?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar)
Hiding behind the loophole of a dead sex trafficker? Stay classy, Andrew | Marina Hyde | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/04/loophole-dead-sex-trafficker-stay-classy-andrew-virginia-giuffre-epstein)
Judge mulls decision in Virginia Robert's sexual abuse case against Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10368423/Judge-mulls-decision-Virginia-Roberts-sexual-abuse-case-against-Prince-Andrew.html)
Prince Andrew's Lawyers Ask US Court to Dismiss Civil Sexual Assault Case | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrews-lawyers-ask-dismiss-sexual-assault-case-settlement-jeffrey-epstein-released/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59865102
Prince Andrew: Decision on duke's bid to get Virginia Giuffre court case dismissed due 'pretty soon', judge says | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-giuffre-needs-to-lock-herself-into-a-story-now-royals-lawyer-tells-court-12509006)
Prince Andrew: What the royal has been accused of | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/what-has-prince-andrew-been-accused-of-12508979)
Prince Andrew?s lawyers fight to dismiss Virginia Giuffre lawsuit in court | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/04/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-lawsuit-arguments)
Can the Virginia Giuffre and Jeffrey Epstein deal protect Prince Andrew? | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/04/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-deal)
Prince Andrew sweating claim 'unlikely' - impact of adrenaline overdose 'insignificant' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544682/prince-andrew-sweating-virginia-giuffre-professor-adam-taylor-lancaster-university)
Prince Andrew judgement day: What time will decision on Andrew be? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544417/prince-andrew-hearing-time-evg)
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre mentioned 250 times in Ghislaine Maxwell trial | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544916/prince-andrew-news-virginia-giuffre-ghislaine-maxwell-trial-jeffrey-epstein-spt)
Could Prince Andrew lose the Duke of York title? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544703/prince-andrew-lose-royal-titles-duke-of-york-evg)
Prince Andrew court case: Duke's top three Newsnight counterarguments to Giuffre case | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544559/Prince-Andrew-court-case-hearing-today-Newsweek-interview-Virginia-Giuffre-vn)
Prince Andrew facing losing his royal title 'The damage has been done' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544474/Prince-Andrew-latest-duke-york-royal-title-virginia-giuffre-trial-news-gb-news-vn)
Prince Andrew slammed for civil suit on Queen's 'massive year' 'Been through enough!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544468/Prince-Andrew-Queen-platinum-jubilee-civil-lawsuit-virginia-giuffre-vn)
Prince Andrew court case: Lawyer highlights argument Giuffre could use on Duke | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544429/Prince-Andrew-court-case-Virginia-Giuffre-Duke-of-York-Jeffrey-Epstein-deal-vn)
Prince Andrew lawsuit: Chris Ship raises one thing Duke hopes won't happen | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544424/Prince-Andrew-Virginia-Giuffre-trial-latest-Duke-York-Ghislaine-Maxwell-ITV-GMB-vn)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544379/prince-andrew-news-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-giuffre-latest
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544355/royal-family-news-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-giuffre-ghislaine-maxwell
Prince Andrew to find out 'pretty soon' whether sex abuse civil case will go ahead, says judge | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-04/andrew-to-find-out-soon-whether-sex-abuse-civil-case-will-go-ahead-says-judge)
'Prince Andrew's unmitigated disaster has done serious harm to the monarchy' - Russell Myers - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-unmitigated-disaster-done-25855664)
Judge must 'assume truth for now' over claims Prince Andrew 'forced child to have sex' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/judge-must-assume-truth-now-25854443)
Prince Andrew faces anxious wait as decision on whether sex case can proceed due 'soon' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-andrew-hearing-dismiss-sex-25853505)
Full list of accusations against Prince Andrew - will there be a sexual assault case? - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/full-list-accusations-against-prince-25850275)
Prince Andrew set for court showdown today as lawyers fight to get sex case thrown out - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-set-court-showdown-25845863)
Prince Andrew attempts to weasel his way out of bombshell 'sex assault lawsuit through technicalities' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17222576/prince-andrew-sex-assault-lawsuit-technicalities/)
Prince Andrew could have avoided sex abuse lawsuit if he had apologized, say sources | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10371407/Prince-Andrew-avoided-sex-abuse-lawsuit-apologized-say-sources.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell juror says evidence convinced panel she was a 'predator' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10370193/Ghislaine-Maxwell-juror-says-evidence-convinced-panel-predator.html)
Virginia Giuffre's ex-boyfriend says he hopes 'Prince Andrew faces everything he's accused of' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10370893/Virginia-Giuffres-ex-boyfriend-says-hopes-Prince-Andrew-faces-hes-accused-of.html)
Prince Andrew's hopes of having case thrown out hang by a thread | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10369905/Prince-Andrews-hopes-having-case-thrown-hang-thread.html)
Prince Andrew?s lawyers fight to dismiss Virginia Giuffre lawsuit in court | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/04/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-lawsuit-arguments)
Judge deals blow to Andrew's hopes of having sex assault case dismissed | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1545360/Prince-Andrew-sex-assault-case-dismissal-blow)
Prince Andrew's future 'hangs in balance' as judge decides on trial | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1545212/prince-andrew-future-monarchy-ghislaine-maxwell-conviction-vn)
Prince Andrew's court hearing 'Judge didn't look impressed!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1544970/Prince-Andrew-court-hearing-latest-Duke-York-Virginia-Giuffre-latest-vn)
Prince Andrew sex case: Judge's blunt comments that may signal bad news for Duke - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-sex-case-judges-25860063)
Prince Andrew could be stripped of his titles by Queen after Harry and Meghan Markle 'set precedent', say experts (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17227351/meghan-markle-prince-harry-titles-precedent/)
Five witnesses including Andrew's FAMILY who could be called in bid to blow apart Pizza Express alibi in rape lawsuit (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17227939/five-witnesses-prince-andrew-family-pizza-express-alibi/)
Ghislaine Maxwell's crimes shock because of her gender... but men must pay too (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17222500/ghislaine-maxwell-crimes-shock-gender/)
Ghislaine Maxwell juror breaks silence saying verdict was 'for all the victims' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17221881/ghislaine-maxwell-juror-breaks-silence/)
Prince Andrew dealt blow by New York judge after he rips apart lawyers fighting Virginia Roberts rape lawsuit (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17224463/prince-andrew-dealt-blow-by-new-york-judge/)
Prince Andrew could conclude case out of court with Virginia Roberts if it goes to trial | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10373015/Prince-Andrew-conclude-case-court-Virginia-Roberts-goes-trial.html)
Attorney General requests probe into Maxwell juror who admitted he 'flew through' questionnaire | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10372669/Attorney-General-requests-probe-Maxwell-juror-admitted-flew-questionnaire.html)
Prince Andrew to sell ?17m Swiss chalet with Queen NOT paying costs of sex abuse case - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-sell-17m-swiss-25876715?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar)
QuoteWith legal bills mounting over his legal battle with Virginia Giuffre, Prince Andrew is in a race against time to raise funds to pay them.
And the Duke is now trying to force through the sale of his ?17million Swiss chalet, as it emerged the Queen will not pay his spiralling costs.
:happy20: Oh let this be true and that she's finally learned to tell him "No."
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