Prince Andrew-A New Chapter

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Macrobug67

#25
April 02, 2022, 04:59:15 AM
My heavens, that family do have their dirty laundry

TLLK

#26
April 02, 2022, 01:55:45 PM Last Edit: April 02, 2022, 01:58:22 PM by TLLK
The DoY has repaid the full amount to Mrs. Isbilen. (Which likely means that he's received a loan from his mother.) :notamused:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60961791

QuoteThe Duke and Duchess of York have been named in a court case in which a Turkish millionaire is claiming ?38m has been "dishonestly misappropriated" by a business adviser.

The High Court in London has heard claims that "substantial sums" from Nebehat Isbilen were paid to Prince Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah.

It is understood that ?750,000 has been repaid by the prince to Mrs Isbilen.

The business adviser, Selman Turk, has rejected the allegations.

The complex court case involves claims brought by 77-year-old Mrs Isbilen that her business adviser Mr Turk misused her funds.

Court documents show that among the expenditure and investments being questioned were payments to Prince Andrew and Sarah, the Duchess of York.

According to the court papers, Mrs Isbilen claims Mr Turk advised her to make a "gift" of ?750,000 to Prince Andrew, which it is claimed she was misled into thinking was for assistance with her passport.

This amount was transferred from her account on 15 November 2019.

"The representation that Mrs Isbilen needed to make a gift to the Duke of York in connection with her passport (or for any other purpose) was false," says her legal team in their claim of dishonesty against Mr Turk.

Representatives of Prince Andrew have not commented on the ongoing court case. But it is understood that the prince was not aware of any arrangements between Mrs Isbilen and Mr Turk.

And it is understood that the prince has returned ?750,000 to Mrs Isbilen.

The discovery of payments to Prince Andrew emerged after a court order allowed a search of Mr Turk's financial dealings, as Mrs Isbilen's lawyers tried to establish the whereabouts of her assets.

Court papers show that some of the lost money had been attributed by Mr Turk to professional costs and unsuccessful investments, but there were claims of significant amounts still to be explained.

The High Court had been told Mrs Isbilen needed help moving assets out of Turkey after her husband became a political prisoner, and that Mr Turk was trusted to help.

Jonathan Tickner, Mrs Isbilen's lawyer, said she had been "the victim of serious fraud and financial wrongdoing", and was determined to pursue her claim against all those involved.

Court documents show that Mr Turk has disputed the allegations and disagrees with her understanding of how her assets have been handled.

Mr Turk had also been a winner of an award at the Pitch at the Palace business initiative, headed by Prince Andrew.

Macrobug67

#27
April 02, 2022, 07:41:24 PM
He?s going through his inheritance rather quick.  And on the stupidest things.  What an idiot. 

Curryong

#28
April 03, 2022, 02:36:40 AM
At this rate any inheritance Andrew receives from mummykins when she passes will amount to about ?10 (pounds.) If the stories are true (and they probably are) she subsidised his costly lawyers fees during the Guiffre battle and will probably be helping him out with the settlement.

Nightowl

#29
April 04, 2022, 06:58:08 AM
We all here are *assuming* that HM has paid for all of Andrew's cost to anything anywhere....unless BP or HM herself which will never happen we just do NOT know who paid whom, do we?  I hate seeing and will not place blame where there is NO evidence of a crime.  I don't like or trust Andrew at all yet until there is actual proof that he took money, or got money from the royal family, I will not believe this and I believe he loves his daughters would never do anything to involve them or hurt them.

Curryong

#30
April 04, 2022, 07:09:52 AM Last Edit: April 04, 2022, 07:26:37 AM by Curryong
From the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60401663


Royal finances are not always straightforward.
When he was a "working royal," carrying out duties on behalf of the Royal Family, it was suggested that Prince Andrew received about ?250,000 per year, including the cost of running an office.
But that would have ended when he stepped down from official royal duties in 2019, in the wake of his Newsnight interview.
It hasn't been confirmed whether that was replaced by the Queen paying him from her private income.
Prince Andrew also receives an armed forces pension, thought to be about ?20,000 a year.
He lives in the Royal Lodge in Windsor, a Grade II-listed property, but that's leased from the Crown Estate and is not an asset that could be sold.
But some extra funds could come from selling a luxury chalet in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier, which he bought in 2015 for over ?8m with his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York.
It is not known how much the chalet will raise, but a spokeswoman for the prince said that a sale was currently in process, although yet to be completed.?

(Andrew and Fergie had a large mortgage from that purchase which they ultimately could not service. There were legal fees from the ex owner of the chalet suing them for moneys owed. They have managed to get money from somewhere which stopped the suit but the sale to another owner, and the mortgage moneys still aren?t settled.)

His financial affairs, and how he has sustained his lifestyle, has been a long-running story.
In 2007, Prince Andrew sold his Sunninghill Park home for ?15m - ?3m more than the asking price - to Timor Kulibayev, the son-in-law of the then-president of Kazakhstan via an offshore trust in the British Virgin Islands.
The 12-bedroom house near Windsor Castle had been given to Prince Andrew as a wedding present from the Queen in 1986.
Prince Andrew is also reported to have had a ?1.5m personal loan paid off in December 2017. According to Bloomberg News, the money was repaid by a company linked to a wealthy Conservative party donor - although Prince Andrew has never confirmed this.
Sarah, Duchess of York told the Standard in 2012 that she had made a "gigantic error of judgement" in accepting ?15,000 from sex offender Jeffrey Epstein to pay off a debt.

Could the settlement be funded by the Queen or with public money?
"If the figure does turn out to be of the order of ?5m to ?10m, I don't think he has that money. And it's more than likely the Queen will fork out some money," royal finance expert David McClure told the BBC.
There have been suggestions this would be from her private funds, but Buckingham Palace says it won't comment on the financing of Prince Andrew's legal case.?



Andrew has been known to get loans for himself and ex wife from Epstein, shady bankers and eastern oligarchs, etc. in the past. With the money he garnished from these when he was a Trade Ambassador and a person of influence in the RF (which allowed him and Fergie to infer they had powers to help people with passports, access to others etc)now cut off, and no visible means of support, exactly how do you suggest that he is getting the money from this settlement?

And Virginia Guiffre?s court case was settled in her favour, suggesting she had justice on her side.



Curryong

#31
April 04, 2022, 07:30:25 AM Last Edit: April 04, 2022, 07:34:41 AM by Curryong
From the Financial Review.

The Australian Financial Review

Royal commentator Mr Arbiter (ex Press Sec to the Queen and the POW) said settling is one thing, but coming up with the cash is another.
"All this business of settlement and legal fees is going to drain him completely so he might have to go to the bank of mum for a little bit of a loan, but that remains to be seen," Mr Arbiter said.
International reputational lawyer, Mark Stephens, said the settlement is the best outcome for both of them.
"For Virginia Giuffre, very obviously she wouldn't have to relive the experiences in public have to go through all those details and relive that experience," Mr Stephens said.
"For Andrew, he would have equally been embarrassed by the details of what he did, how well he did it and in what positions and those kinds of gory details would have come into the public domain."

Nightowl

#32
April 04, 2022, 07:39:05 AM
Quote from: Curryong on April 04, 2022, 07:09:52 AM
From the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60401663


Royal finances are not always straightforward.
When he was a "working royal," carrying out duties on behalf of the Royal Family, it was suggested that Prince Andrew received about ?250,000 per year, including the cost of running an office.
But that would have ended when he stepped down from official royal duties in 2019, in the wake of his Newsnight interview.
It hasn't been confirmed whether that was replaced by the Queen paying him from her private income.
Prince Andrew also receives an armed forces pension, thought to be about ?20,000 a year.
He lives in the Royal Lodge in Windsor, a Grade II-listed property, but that's leased from the Crown Estate and is not an asset that could be sold.
But some extra funds could come from selling a luxury chalet in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier, which he bought in 2015 for over ?8m with his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York.
It is not known how much the chalet will raise, but a spokeswoman for the prince said that a sale was currently in process, although yet to be completed.?

(Andrew and Fergie had a large mortgage from that purchase which they ultimately could not service. There were legal fees from the ex owner of the chalet suing them for moneys owed. They have managed to get money from somewhere which stopped the suit but the sale to another owner, and the mortgage moneys still aren?t settled.)

His financial affairs, and how he has sustained his lifestyle, has been a long-running story.
In 2007, Prince Andrew sold his Sunninghill Park home for ?15m - ?3m more than the asking price - to Timor Kulibayev, the son-in-law of the then-president of Kazakhstan via an offshore trust in the British Virgin Islands.
The 12-bedroom house near Windsor Castle had been given to Prince Andrew as a wedding present from the Queen in 1986.
Prince Andrew is also reported to have had a ?1.5m personal loan paid off in December 2017. According to Bloomberg News, the money was repaid by a company linked to a wealthy Conservative party donor - although Prince Andrew has never confirmed this.
Sarah, Duchess of York told the Standard in 2012 that she had made a "gigantic error of judgement" in accepting ?15,000 from sex offender Jeffrey Epstein to pay off a debt.

Could the settlement be funded by the Queen or with public money?
"If the figure does turn out to be of the order of ?5m to ?10m, I don't think he has that money. And it's more than likely the Queen will fork out some money," royal finance expert David McClure told the BBC.
There have been suggestions this would be from her private funds, but Buckingham Palace says it won't comment on the financing of Prince Andrew's legal case.?



Andrew has been known to get loans for himself and ex wife from Epstein, shady bankers and eastern oligarchs, etc. in the past. With the money he garnished from these when he was a Trade Ambassador and a person of influence in the RF (which allowed him and Fergie to infer they had powers to help people with passports, access to others etc)now cut off, and no visible means of support, exactly how do you suggest that he is getting the money from this settlement?

And Virginia Guiffre?s court case was settled in her favour, suggesting she had justice on her side.

Just because most of what you posted is *suggested* does not make it real or is proof of evidence....what HM does with her money is HER business not ours as the same goes for us. As far as VG......she saw a fat bank account and worked to get and got it..if Andrew had any backbone he should of fought her and questioned every man she slept with as she was not an innocent virgin at all......when she met Andrew....a highly used woman who knew the ropes and did the job required of her as she got paid for that job by Epstein no less.

Curryong

#33
April 04, 2022, 09:08:06 AM Last Edit: April 04, 2022, 09:15:38 AM by Curryong
And I would suggest that logic would point to

(A) Andrew agreed to that settlement and has to pay it. Whatever you think of Virginia Guiffre?s moral character she won that settlement and Andrew has to come up with many millions of pounds as a result. Plus I would point out that a large portion of that money was, by Virginia?s wish, donated to the Foundation she began for victims of sexual abuse.

(B) He no longer has money coming in for performing royal duties. That stopped last year. Even if he saved every cent of the yearly income he gets from Mummy for the past ten years he would not be able to pay the settlement on his own.

(C) People who are swimming in money would be able so service a mortgage from their holiday home. Andrew and Fergie could not. Article after article over the past twenty years has shown this man and his ex wife living up to their income and surviving on loans from some very shady individuals indeed, some of whom were named in the article I linked.

(D) As Andrew is not swimming in money (otherwise he wouldn?t have got into trouble with his mortgage) and only has a private income of a couple of hundred thousand from Mummy a year, how do you suggest that he is going to pay the settlement without help from any of his relatives? No legitimate bank would give him a loan on the income he has now.

(E) It is indeed none of our business if the Queen decides to give her favourite child some millions from her private funds to help him out. Nor is it anybody else?s business what Harry and Meghan paid for their house, how large it is, nor how much Meghan spends on any clothing she buys. Yet some people excuse one example and regard the other as condemnatory.

Nightowl

#37
June 02, 2022, 11:01:08 PM
Sorry to hear Andrew has the virus or whatever as I wish no one would get it as it is still a dangerous virus out there even if a person has all the shots needed.  Maybe it will give him to to think of what he is missing and most of all WHY, full of self-importance and egos will surely ruin a person's character..

wannable

#38
June 11, 2022, 10:45:08 PM
Quote
Queen holds talks with senior Royal family members on how Prince Andrew can move 'away from the public gaze' with one option being to rebuild his life in Scotland
Family meetings have been held to establish what role the Duke could fulfil
The Queen will not reverse her decision to ban Andrew from official duties
Tomorrow The Duke will attend the annual Order of the Garter ceremony


Charles, Anne, Edward and William.

Nightowl

#39
June 12, 2022, 07:18:54 AM
If this meeting really did take place then it should of included all the wives and the husband of Anne as these decisions also affect them in their daily lives.  I just have a feeling this is Andrew laying it on his mother really thick, the oh poor me little boy act and wanting his way in everything, if he does go to Scotland the people there can also read about his lifestyle and how it has affected the royal family.  I don't think he will be any more welcomed there then in England......people are not dumb and blind so to ship him off somewhere else to make it look like he has changed for the better is not a good idea. 

Curryong

#40
June 12, 2022, 08:33:54 AM
What has Scotland ever done to have Andrew foisted on them semi-permanently? English people and the BRF are none too popular north of the border as it is. This plan, if true, could well cause more than a bit of resentment there.

TLLK

#41
June 12, 2022, 01:15:30 PM
@Nightowl and @Curryong like you I don't see the point in Andrew moving to Scotland. And by Scotland that would be Balmoral. Even moving him to Norfolk and having him at Sandringham seems unlikely in the long term. At least at Windsor he is closer to his daughters and their families. The odd photo of him driving or riding isn't a big deal to me.

wannable

#42
June 12, 2022, 02:21:27 PM
It's a fact that in Scotland there is less paps, media, random people willing to take videos or cellphone pictures, tweeting and the likes. He'd be able to leave Balmoral estate to roam around. In Windsor, once he's out of the estate he will encounter all of the above.

There are so many A list celebs that go to Scotland and have been able to go i.e. to a PUB no one blinks. Real A listers.

wannable

#43
June 12, 2022, 02:42:48 PM
Too late to ETA: Kit Harrington, Sir Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, JK Rowling, Gerard Butler.  What's in common? They all live the majority of the year there, they've all said nobody blinks or jumps on them. The culture 'shock' for the rest of the crazy world, but for Scots it's normal to be indifferent to pulling out a smartphone to click click click.

sara8150

#44
June 15, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
Shamed Prince Andrew should ask for advice from Kate Middleton's Uncle Gary on how to deal with a scandal | The Sun
Not since Prince John
QuotePrince John ? the youngest son of King George V whose epilepsy and possible autism saw him largely confined to a hidden life on the Sandringham estate before his death from a severe seizure at the age of 14.

sara8150

#45
June 16, 2022, 10:25:52 PM
Watch our royal talk show Palace Confidential for all the latest news | Daily Mail Online
Duke of Cambridge is right and he banned disgraceful his own uncle the Duke of York from garter of the order,events and public due investigation of disgraceful Jeffrey Epstein

wannable

#47
June 22, 2022, 01:37:59 PM
Prince Andrew could be stripped of his Duke of York title under proposed law tabled in Parliament

Labour party has requested a committee to grant 'the monarch' a new power to take away a title. 

Apparently anytime soon the new law may be official.

Nightowl

#48
June 22, 2022, 06:26:59 PM
That is interesting, cam this really be dome by the Labor Party?  Would HM have the courage to actually use that power against her own children? 

Curryong

#49
June 22, 2022, 10:21:58 PM Last Edit: June 22, 2022, 10:34:02 PM by Curryong
Quote from: wannable on June 22, 2022, 01:37:59 PM
Prince Andrew could be stripped of his Duke of York title under proposed law tabled in Parliament

Labour party has requested a committee to grant 'the monarch' a new power to take away a title. 

Apparently anytime soon the new law may be official.

Erm, the Labour Party is not in power. The Conservatives are. The bill would require bi-partisan support. And even if Labour got in after the next election there will be a swathe of legislation affecting people?s lives that has been Labour policy for years that will have to be debated in the Commons first.

Hundreds of bills are tabled and proposed in committees each year, even theoretical ones, and don?t get to the first or second reading before being quietly ditched for good. I would be absolutely staggered to see this proposal become an Act. In fact it is so beyond the realms of possibility as to be laughable.

And, according to the sketchy articles that have appeared so far about this proposal (by a York MP) it would only allow a sovereign to take a royal dukedom away of their own accord, not be forced into it by any government. The Queen will never take her son?s dukedom away, and, whatever Charles?s personal relations are with his brother it would be extremely unlikely that he would do it either.
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