Posting these photos because I found Beatrice very beautiful. :blowkiss:
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They look happy together! I looove Beatrice's skirt. I really adore those bronze shades in clothing so long as it's not overdone.
Elegant couple
Just want her to be happy - and she does look happy :wub:
Beautiful couple! They look great together.
Another royal wedding on the way? Bookies suspend betting on Princess Beatrice announcing her engagement to Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi by the end of the year
Beatrice, 30, started dating Italian property developer Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, 34, in October 2018, and now bookies Ladbrokes has suspended betting on an engagement before the end of the year.
I hope the couple do become engaged. And I also hope that, despite Andrew, they opt for a quiet but lovely wedding somewhere besides St George's. Or if it is to be St George's that they eschew the TV coverage, the carriage ride into Windsor, Guardsmen in bearskins marching and other things that drew comment last time.
Being the eldest, I think she will want to up the game from her younger sister.
Bea appears to be a quieter less extrovert person than Eugenie. She might go for a more private wedding. If she listens to her parents and goes for the whole shebang, including riding through Windsor, let's hope she's ready for the howls of outrage about council safety barriers, disruption to Windsor traffic, extra police needing to be paid as a consequence.
Poor Eugenie, I would not have said she had all that grandiouse a wedding. I agree there was not much interest, but it wa probably her only day as a "princess". I think that Bea will want the same....
I am not sure this will be the best move for Beatrice. He just does seem to look lovingly at Beatrice, he seems to just look at cameras. If her younger sister got a big wedding, it is certain Beatrice will. I hope she does not rush into a marriage with him.
seh's been with him for about a year.. hasn't she? And I think she might be on the way to marriage.
Well there are couples who date a few years and don't get married.
This guy probably thinks highly of himself.
His actions speak of another story, in my opinion.
Beatrice should think things through carefully before accepting a proposal, if there's one coming.
Maybe a 2020 summer wedding.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on July 25, 2019, 07:05:09 PM
This guy probably thinks highly of himself.
His actions speak of another story, in my opinion.
Beatrice should think things through carefully before accepting a proposal, if there's one coming.
She's a big girl... and I think she's old enogh to decide for herself.
Big girls still can be fooled. IMO.
Quote from: sandy on July 26, 2019, 02:42:01 PM
Big girls still can be fooled. IMO.
If she is, its on her. She is not a girl of 20, she's a grown woman and has unlike previous royals been able to have long term intimate relationships with men she likes and been able to take plenty of time to get to know them.
Quote from: amabel on July 26, 2019, 07:04:55 AM
She's a big girl... and I think she's old enogh to decide for herself.
Of course. This is her decision to make. However age is not always a guarantee for wise decision making, especially when feelings are involved. She should have taken some time to focus on herself. But this is just my opinion.
I agree with you all, she's an adult and it's her decision to make. I wish her well, she seems like a sweet person.
I hope things work out for her, but I can't say I feel any great connection to the York sisters. She does seem to have gotten into a relationship with this guy rather fast but after all, it is not like the old days where royal courtships were short and formal. She has had the freedom to date and live with a man if she wants to and to spend a few years getting to know him.. So she has had more freedom to take her time and make a decision. However I suspect that with Eug getting married last year and her old boyfriend getting married.. maybe she is feeling a bit pressured to find a husband herself.
They are living together at St. James Palace since this past December 2018. They are not having a long distance or overseas relationship. They live in the same building, same town...
I think this is rushing things. I don't think they are formally living together and setting up housekeeping. She had a long relationship with David and he still dropped her.
I agree that Beatrice is old enough to decide who she wants to be with for her future. She's already been in the long term relationship and has learned from that experience. If she's determined that Eduardo is the right one for her, then I wish them well.
I also agree that it would be wise if Beatrice opts for a more low key royal wedding perhaps similar to Peter/Autumn, Zara/Mike, etc..though I expect it will be more similar to Eugenie and Harry's.
Quote from: sandy on July 28, 2019, 11:09:16 PM
I think this is rushing things. I don't think they are formally living together and setting up housekeeping. She had a long relationship with David and he still dropped her.
I understand that they are living together.... I don't know if she was living with David but they were together for a bout 10 years so probably they were some of the time.
Dating is a mine field. Some people date for a long time and end up divorced quickly, live in and meet someone new and prefer the new one...
Agree. This 30-years-old woman is living her life, let her be... according to all the accounts she's in love with her boyfriend.... good for her...
Quote from: dianab on August 07, 2019, 01:07:19 AM
Agree. This 30-years-old woman is living her life, let her be... according to all the accounts she's in love with her boyfriend.... good for her...
Its her affair.... if she's in love or not.. does not matter.. She's a gorwn woman, and its her life to live. she's not a public figure. Her marriage is not of any importance except to herself
It's not a matter of Her being in love it's a matter of the couple being in love with each other. It does matter if she marries someone who really does not love her. And she's in the media so the possible issues would play out in the media
Quote from: sandy on August 07, 2019, 01:48:39 PM
It's not a matter of Her being in love it's a matter of the couple being in love with each other. It does matter if she marries someone who really does not love her. And she's in the media so the possible issues would play out in the media
How is she in the media? She gets a bit of attention because of who she is but she's not a big story in the papers. It matters to her, if she marries someone who doesn't love her.. but I can't see that she is popular enough iwht the public for them to care...
Beatrice and Eduardo have to make the same decision that all couples who are together for love. They have to decide whether or not they want to move forward with making their relationship a more permanent one, stay as they are or to end it.
Yes Beatrice is a public figure but on a smaller scale than her paternal grandparents, Uncle Charles, cousins William and Harry etc..It's very unlikely that she'll be a full time working royal. Yes like her more well known family members her relationship and any possible issues "would play out in the media" but that is something that everyone in every Windsor generation. Eventually we'll be reading about Louise and James' relationships. :shrug:
Quotebut I can't see that she is popular enough iwht the public for them to care...
It might warrant a few stories, but unless things are very messy there wouldn't be much coverage IMHO.
well Im sure she's a nice enough woman, and I wish her well but I feel no interest in her.. as she is not my generation.. and se'hs not done anything particularly interesting to make the papers pay any heed to her. She's probably a typical socialite who dabbles in jobs. and she's not important in the Royal family, as such. If she married and divorced.. well it would be almost lke Davina Windsor whose marriage broke up ages ago and wasnt' reported for a time. Its not like she's close in line for the throne...
And the tabloids are just not that into her so they would not get that excited over her if she had marital troubles
Davina is a cousin. Bea is a grandchild of HM the Queen.
Quote from: sandy on August 07, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
Davina is a cousin. Bea is a grandchild of HM the Queen.
She is not important. the press have never favored her, and the public aren't interested in her....
Quote from: amabel on August 07, 2019, 02:38:45 PM
well Im sure she's a nice enough woman, and I wish her well but I feel no interest in her.. as she is not my generation.. and se'hs not done anything particularly interesting to make the papers pay any heed to her. She's probably a typical socialite who dabbles in jobs. and she's not important in the Royal family, as such. If she married and divorced.. well it would be almost lke Davina Windsor whose marriage broke up ages ago and wasnt' reported for a time. Its not like she's close in line for the throne...
And the tabloids are just not that into her so they would not get that excited over her if she had marital troubles
i dont think 20/30-somethings are very interested at B or her sister... of course there are people who likes follow royals and like them and follow them... but she's not someone who can to be considered a celebrity... william, harry and their wives yes... i think the duchess of kent in 1970s was probably somehow famous or had a lot of media spotlight but NOW minor royals really arent noteworthy to people
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Quote from: sandy on August 07, 2019, 01:48:39 PM
It's not a matter of Her being in love it's a matter of the couple being in love with each other. It does matter if she marries someone who really does not love her. And she's in the media so the possible issues would play out in the media
maybe few articles here and there like sometimes is seen about anne and her current hubby... but nothing compared like if it was william, harry & respective wives... if that will be the case between b and her italian beau, they obviously can got divorced and move on to new partners... beatrice and her sister really are socialites... they wont to be imoprtant people in that family like anne. so whatever mistakes in their private lives, it's pretty much their bussiness.
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Quote from: sandy on August 07, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
Davina is a cousin. Bea is a grandchild of HM the Queen.
socially to the public and press davina, gabriella windosr and beatrice are the same. probably the public more interested at both are tatler readers, maybe nor them so much! if any of them divorce it'll be what that's/will be
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to me, beatrice is just another 30-years-old socialite out there... i dont think she's anything alike the weirdo out-of-touch 30-years-old charles was or anything compared to sheltered virginal 19-years-old Lady Diana was.
If Beatrice and Edoardo do get engaged, will the press compare Beatrice's engagement to Princess Eugenie's engagement?
Probably. I'm more interested to see if there's a full-on wedding at St George's Windsor or not and how they're going to justify the expense twice in two or so years with Andrew and Fergie's reputation the way it is, if there is one. If Beatrice is wise she could go for a very smart Church in London (Guards Chapel/St George's Hanover Square perhaps) instead, and forego the carriage ride and the parade of the marching bearskins.
There's a large difference, anyway.. Eugenie was with Jack since her late teens. There were no children involved, no serious live-in lover for Jack or her as far as we know, and neither were in their thirties when they wed.
However, the media aren't likely to zoom in on this couple. Both Yorkies are far enough down the line for them to have a truly private life. For instance nobody knew till recently that Beatrice is living with Eduardo and looking after his son while the boy's mother is overseas. When it's a senior Royal the Press are very much like guided missiles when it comes to something like that.
I think its due to an increased indifference about the RF as a whole and particulary the less "important ones". Years ago, princesses like Bea and Eug would be doing some royal duties and there would be a lot of notice about their romantic lives. Now there is very little, they are not doing royal duties, and instead of the public wanting to see their weddings (grumbling about the cost but still enjoying the spectacle) there is a real feeling that the costs and problems like security outweigh any pleasure from the spectacle..
If Beatrice does marry Edo I really hope they don't have a huge, multi-million dollar wedding. I think something in a small chapel with Edo's son as the ringbearer would be appropriate and very nice.
Quote from: Blue Clover on August 16, 2019, 03:11:00 AM
If Beatrice does marry Edo I really hope they don't have a huge, multi-million dollar wedding. I think something in a small chapel with Edo's son as the ringbearer would be appropriate and very nice.
Idont really care.. In that Bea is not of any interest to me nor her boyfriend.. but I don't think she wil have much of a grand wedding.. due to the ANdrew scandals. At least I hope she will have the minimal common sense not to expect such a thng as I do not thnk that the public would be very tolerant of it...
Quote from: Curryong on August 15, 2019, 03:27:09 AM
Probably. I'm more interested to see if there's a full-on wedding at St George's Windsor or not and how they're going to justify the expense twice in two or so years with Andrew and Fergie's reputation the way it is, if there is one. If Beatrice is wise she could go for a very smart Church in London (Guards Chapel/St George's Hanover Square perhaps) instead, and forego the carriage ride and the parade of the marching bearskins.
There's a large difference, anyway.. Eugenie was with Jack since her late teens. There were no children involved, no serious live-in lover for Jack or her as far as we know, and neither were in their thirties when they wed.
However, the media aren't likely to zoom in on this couple. Both Yorkies are far enough down the line for them to have a truly private life. For instance nobody knew till recently that Beatrice is living with Eduardo and looking after his son while the boy's mother is overseas. When it's a senior Royal the Press are very much like guided missiles when it comes to something like that.
I could see them marrying at St. George's chapel as it has become the de facto wedding venue for approximately half of the Windsors in recent decades: Wessexes, Sussexes, etc..Security on site inside of Windsor Castle shouldn't be too much of an issue, but IMO the real costs would be for the streets of Windsor in order to protect the public. IMO the carriage ride should be limited to just inside the estate (like Peter/Autumn) if they choose to have one. Going out into Windsor sends the costs skyrocketing.
I think if they get married they really should make this one a private wedding.. no carriage ride, a few photos... no televising of it. Bea is unlucky but Andrew's stock has gone donw a lot now.. and wherever they get married I think it wodl be best if her wedding was that of a private citizen
Many of us are interested because we hope this relationship has a happy outcome after what happened to her before. Breaking up following a VERY long romance had to have been painful when it was public news...then he married someone else not long after, making it worse. I felt so bad for her.
Im afraid that in the present circumstanaces, Beatrice whatever she does with her romance, should keep a low profile
First let me say, I absolutely loved Princess Eugenie's wedding! But I kind of felt it was a mistake to make it such a big public, televised event, because now, they sort of have to do the same for Princess Beatrice. She is older, higher up in the line of succession and will become one of the Counsellers of State when Charles becomes King. So, I don't think they can give Beatrice a lesser wedding than Eugenie.
IMO something similar to Peter and Zara's respective weddings would be best for QEII and the DoE's grandchildren who are not part of the Wales family. I really enjoyed aspects of Eugenie and Jack's weddings but I believe that the carriage ride through Windsor was unwise due to the security needs and their costs.
When the time comes, I believe that Beatrice and later Louise/James should have the option of marrying at St.George's if they wish, but that it should be low key like the Phillps' weddings and more recently Lady Gabriella's.
I believe going forward that Westminster Abbey should be the venue for George's wedding but that his siblings should marry at St. George's Chapel.
Quote from: MarcoPolo on August 19, 2019, 12:54:21 PM
First let me say, I absolutely loved Princess Eugenie's wedding! But I kind of felt it was a mistake to make it such a big public, televised event, because now, they sort of have to do the same for Princess Beatrice. She is older, higher up in the line of succession and will become one of the Counsellers of State when Charles becomes King. So, I don't think they can give Beatrice a lesser wedding than Eugenie.
They can and they should
Certainly PB can marry whoever she wants and she seem to like this guy. However, to me, he seems a bit aloof and calculated. She'll probably marry him and it will last a couple of years.
Is there any clarification about the timeline of when him and his child's mother ended things?
When things ended with Eduardo and his previous girlfriend and when he and Beatrice started dating has been in the realms of conjecture it seems. There was an article from November 2018 that broke some story of his girlfriend having been turfed out of Edo's flat and forced forced to couch surf.
That same article stated that Beatrice and Eduardo had been dating 'for a couple of months', which would bring it back to just before Eugenie's wedding. Something happened between Edo and his girlfriend in September/October 2018 I think, and Edo decided to move on. On the other hand if he'd been seriously dating Beatrice for many months at that time you would think that he would have been her escort for her sister's wedding/reception etc. I don't think we'll ever get an exact timeline of how everything worked out.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 19, 2019, 07:04:02 AM
Many of us are interested because we hope this relationship has a happy outcome after what happened to her before. Breaking up following a VERY long romance had to have been painful when it was public news...then he married someone else not long after, making it worse. I felt so bad for her.
only they knows what was the state of their relationship and what were their feelings about each other when they broke up... maybe they just had got used to each other and the whole thing overlasted
btw i think she likes italian men, before this one she was seen one or two italian men
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Quote from: oak_and_cedar on August 20, 2019, 10:22:42 AM
Certainly PB can marry whoever she wants and she seem to like this guy. However, to me, he seems a bit aloof and calculated. She'll probably marry him and it will last a couple of years.
Is there any clarification about the timeline of when him and his child's mother ended things?
the most recent i read is his ex praised him on her insta, or is following him... looks like they are on good terms
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on August 20, 2019, 10:22:42 AM
Certainly PB can marry whoever she wants and she seem to like this guy. However, to me, he seems a bit aloof and calculated. She'll probably marry him and it will last a couple of years.
Is there any clarification about the timeline of when him and his child's mother ended things?
Yes, I have a few questions myself! It's her life and I wish them happiness whatever they decide to do.
Quote from: Curryong on August 20, 2019, 11:41:03 AM
When things ended with Eduardo and his previous girlfriend and when he and Beatrice started dating has been in the realms of conjecture it seems. There was an article from November 2018 that broke some story of his girlfriend having been turfed out of Edo's flat and forced forced to couch surf.
That same article stated that Beatrice and Eduardo had been dating 'for a couple of months', which would bring it back to just before Eugenie's wedding. Something happened between Edo and his girlfriend in September/October 2018 I think, and Edo decided to move on. On the other hand if he'd been seriously dating Beatrice for many months at that time you would think that he would have been her escort for her sister's wedding/reception etc. I don't think we'll ever get an exact timeline of how everything worked out.
It sounds a bit blurry with the timelines to say the least. Perhaps they are obfuscating because if it sounds confusing then there's a chance of it being intrepreted as "proper", i.e. some might intrepret it as Eduardo and his girlfriend had already broken up (which I don't believe).
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Quote from: dianab on August 20, 2019, 04:51:08 PM
the most recent i read is his ex praised him on her insta, or is following him... looks like they are on good terms
What else can she say? I think that she is being civil for the sake of their son. IMO.
Quote from: Curryong on August 20, 2019, 11:41:03 AM
When things ended with Eduardo and his previous girlfriend and when he and Beatrice started dating has been in the realms of conjecture it seems. There was an article from November 2018 that broke some story of his girlfriend having been turfed out of Edo's flat and forced forced to couch surf.
That same article stated that Beatrice and Eduardo had been dating 'for a couple of months', which would bring it back to just before Eugenie's wedding. Something happened between Edo and his girlfriend in September/October 2018 I think, and Edo decided to move on. On the other hand if he'd been seriously dating Beatrice for many months at that time you would think that he would have been her escort for her sister's wedding/reception etc. I don't think we'll ever get an exact timeline of how everything worked out.
If there was overlap.. or Eduardo had just ditched the mother of his son very shortly before he started with Bea, I doubt if he would have been seen with her at Eugenie's wedding. THey are probably trying to fudge the timelines..
I don't think anyone outside the people involved is ever going to get a precise timeline of the ending of Edo and his previous girlfriend's relationship and when he and Bea started dating. Unless the girlfriend blabs if he and Beatrice break up. Not very likely though.
Perhaps things did overlap a bit. Eduardo may have used Beatrice as a sounding board/shoulder to cry on in the dying stages of the previous relationship, and they became close. Or perhaps they began dating straight after he told his girlfriend to leave. I'm inclined to think the former, around Sept/Oct, but we are never likely to know.
I'd say it was very possible there was an overlap.. and it does sound as if Ed ended with his girifreind who Is after all the mother of his child.. rather quickly..
Dara Huang did the right thing, with a immediate intervention with the media when her parents did a Markle by speaking to the press. Next day, she gave her version that her work makes her travel a lot around the world hence she hadn't seen or spoken to her family for a year, and assured her family that they had broken up months ago, despite the modern cohabiting because of the baby (the pair agreed that one of the parents needs to take care of the toddler), and they seem to be doing fine; like Chris Martin and Gweneth Paltrow.
It all sounds rather hazy to me. If they had a child, I would have said that they should have given the relationship a try for the child's sake..
Yes, I agree. He sure didn't hesitate taking up with PB. IMO.
Bea does not need to rush into a marriage.
She may think differently. She's getting older, She's seen her sister getting married and her long term boyfriend got married soon after splitting with her...
She's not that old. Better to wait a bit longer. If it's a bad marriage she would have to put up with a lot worse. IT's a reflection on Dave Clark not Bea. Though she should have dumped him ages ago.
Frankly at the moment, I think she also has bigger worries about the Andrew situation.
If they marry, the wedding may have to be low key and maybe not even televised. Depending on the situation with Andrew
The DM reported a 'indiscreet' driver/chauffer in Italy posting Instagram pictures of Fergie whilst in Italy, checking out a villa famous for wedding venues and wedding events organization.
Edoardo's aristocratic titles are Italian.
So who knows.
Quote from: sandy on August 24, 2019, 09:39:21 PM
If they marry, the wedding may have to be low key and maybe not even televised. Depending on the situation with Andrew
Lets hope so.
A wedding could be good for the family right now, things are surely very sad at the moment.
Quote from: Blue Clover on August 26, 2019, 02:12:06 AM
A wedding could be good for the family right now, things are surely very sad at the moment.
really? A wedding would draw attention to the scandal caused by Andrew and Sarah. It would be deeply unpopular iwht the public..
I have not seen him looking at Bea the way a man in love should be looking. He seems to be looking off into space when he's with her or they are posing for pictures. I wonder if this will even lead to a marriage.
Quote from: sandy on August 26, 2019, 10:33:47 AM
I have not seen him looking at Bea the way a man in love should be looking. He seems to be looking off into space when he's with her or they are posing for pictures. I wonder if this will even lead to a marriage.
I'd say it will. I think he would like the social kudos.. (albiet the way thngs are going he Might decide it is NOT a good idea to ally himself with the Yorks).. and Beatrice I think would like to get married...
Beatrice can still get married. Edoardo is not the only eligible male on the planet. And you are right, if the Yorks continue to get more and more mired in the scandal, he may bow out and say he wants to be with his ex and the baby.
I doubt if he is going back to the girifriend with the baby.. He's rather publicly left her. But Indeed he might want to avoid being seen iwht Beatrice.. and that might go for other men as well.
That's the real love you test...let's see if he bolts away, same goes for Jack, husband of Eugenie. The Father in Law situation is serious...it affects social and financial standings.
Quote from: wannable on August 26, 2019, 01:06:37 PM
That's the real love you test...let's see if he bolts away, same goes for Jack, husband of Eugenie. The Father in Law situation is serious...it affects social and financial standings.
Harldly likely that Jack will "bolt". but someone like Eduardo, who seems to be with Beatrice because of her status.. may not hang around now that there is a big scandal ofver Andrew
Quote from: amabel on August 26, 2019, 11:32:39 AM
I doubt if he is going back to the girifriend with the baby.. He's rather publicly left her. But Indeed he might want to avoid being seen iwht Beatrice.. and that might go for other men as well.
He could use it as an excuse to get out of the relationship then go and look elsewhere for another girlfriend
Well, in that case he will be showing his true colours and Beatrice will be better off without him. At least Edo isn't using Beatrice for the schmoozing of clients as Dave Clark did when he worked for Branson space travel. I had real reservations about Dave for years due to that, and as soon as he went to work for Uber in the US he dropped Beatrice like a hot potato. I hope Edo is more honourable than that, and I believe he is.
Hmmm seems like he quit his girlfriend who was the mother of his son.. to get together with Beatrice..
He will always have a connection to the mother of his son whether he likes it or not. I can't get over how the DM had an article calling Bea "stepmother," they aren't even engaged. And she'd have to get married to him first
If Princess Beatrice and Edoardo do marry, the focus should be on them, not Prince Andrew and Sarah.
@LouisFerdinand -While I definitely agree with you that the focus should be on Beatrice/Eduardo should they marry, it's going to be very difficult for the press not to cover the history of her parents.
Quote from: TLLK on August 27, 2019, 01:16:21 PM
@LouisFerdinand -While I definitely agree with you that the focus should be on Beatrice/Eduardo should they marry, it's going to be very difficult for the press not to cover the history of her parents.
@TLLK, That is correct. However, have the focus be only on the
Positives of Andrew and Sarah.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 28, 2019, 12:55:54 AM
@TLLK, That is correct. However, have the focus be only on the Positives of Andrew and Sarah.
Unfortunately for Beatrice, if she get's married any time in at least the next year, I think "focusing only on the positives" of her parents is going to be impossible for the press. Andrew got enough flack in the press for being perceived for being the one demanding a carriage ride and television coverage etc for Eugenie's wedding, now.....
@DiggingHeavs - Sadly for Beatrice I have to agree.
@LouisFerdinand -While I realize that you would like to see the press focus only on the DoY and Sarah's positives, that is going to be impossible.
Quote from: TLLK on August 28, 2019, 05:22:40 PM
@DiggingHeavs - Sadly for Beatrice I have to agree.
@LouisFerdinand -While I realize that you would like to see the press focus only on the DoY and Sarah's positives, that is going to be impossible.
true at the moment I don't think they have any "positives".
Indeed. The positive press the family had during/after the wedding is as good as it's going to be for a few years at least, since I do think the current/reopened accusations will go on the backburner again at some point unfortunately.
I do think there was a concerted PR effort from Team York for a while, the constant stories about how Beatrice and Eugenie had an awesome childhood and how close the family is, the "will Sarah and Andrew get remarried" stuff. That's disappeared now.
*If* these two get married in the near future, I think it should still be St. George's if that's what they want, but I think televised and carriage rides around Windsor are out. If there's any truth in Fergie looking at wedding venues in Italy (huge grain of salt) that would be an option, though Edo's titles are no more legal there than here in the UK. I guess it's a point in his favour that he doesn't seem to use them in business or socially, though I'm not particularly sold on him. I suppose I'm not the one that has to be.
Since Jack did not get a title of his own when he married Eugenie, I very much doubt that Edoardo will if he marries Bea. He may not mind getting one but I doubt he will.
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Count Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi: Princess Beatrice's boyfriend
_ What do we know about Count Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi? The millionaire property developer is reported to be the new love of Princess Beatrice of York, 30, granddaughter of the Queen.
Count Edoardo Alessandro M Mapelli Mozzi (known as Edo) was born in Westminster, 1st November, 1983, son of Count Alessandro (Alex) Mapelli Mozzi, and his former wife the former Nicola D. Burrows. He has an elder sister Natalia Alice, born in 1981, wife of Mr Tod Yeomans.
His father, who was born in 1951, is a British Olympian, an Alpine skier, took part in several events at the 1972 Olympic Games.
Edo's grandfather was Count Gian Paolo Mapelli Mozzi (1922-80), Italian aristocrat, who married Gigliola Stoppani. Count Gian Paolo was a son of Count Luigi Mapelli Mozzi (1894-1948), who married Nobile Maria Mercedes Baroli.
Count Luigi was a son of Count Paolo Mapelli Mozzi (1854-1921), who married Enrichetta Tarsis dei Conti di Castel d'Agogna (1866-1941). Count Paolo was the son of Count Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi (1815-79) who married Nobile Ippolita Giulino dei Conti di Vialba.
The Mapelli Mozzi name came about from the marriage of Count Alessandro's father, Nobile Gerolamo Mapelli (1785-1842) with Angela Mozzi.
Edo's mother married as her second husband Christopher M.H. Shale, a British businessman and Conservative politician, friend of former prime minister David Cameron. Mr Shale died from natural causes at Glastonbury, in June, 2011. Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie and their parents the Duke and Duchess of York attended Mr Shale's funeral.
Edo has a half-brother, Albemarle Christopher M.H. Shale, ten years his junior.
The Mapelli Mozzi family have several connections to the British aristocracy. Edo's cousin, Edward Ankarcrona, son of Countess Margaretha Mapelli Mozzi, married in 2006, Lady Lucinda Savile, a daughter of the Earl and Countess of Mexborough.
Although he enjoys the title of "Count" he is a British subject and technically cannot use a foreign title in this country. Foreign styles and titles were confined to those who received a Royal Warrant from King George V in 1932.
It is reported that Edo has a two-year-old son, Christopher Woolf "Wolfie", from a previous relationship.
Peerage News: Count Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi: Princess Beatrice's boyfriend (https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2018/11/count-edouard-mapelli-mozzi-princess.html)
Quote from: sandy on August 29, 2019, 01:57:04 PM
Since Jack did not get a title of his own when he married Eugenie, I very much doubt that Edoardo will if he marries Bea. He may not mind getting one but I doubt he will.
Why on earth would this even be an issue. Men marrying princesses don't get offered titles...
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Quote from: DiggingHeavs on August 29, 2019, 11:41:43 AM
Indeed. The positive press the family had during/after the wedding is as good as it's going to be for a few years at least, since I do think the current/reopened accusations will go on the backburner again at some point unfortunately.
I do think there was a concerted PR effort from Team York for a while, the constant stories about how Beatrice and Eugenie had an awesome childhood and how close the family is, the "will Sarah and Andrew get remarried" stuff. That's disappeared now.
*If* these two get married in the near future, I think it should still be St. George's if that's what they want, but I think televised and carriage rides around Windsor are out be.
I have a feeling that he will disappear quietly if the scandal continues.... But if they DO marry, it will be best if they keep it ultra quiet...
Snowdon got one. And Mark Phillips was offered one and turned it down.
Quote from: sandy on August 29, 2019, 02:25:56 PM
Snowdon got one. And Mark Phillips was offered one and turned it down.
Lord Snowdoen married Margaret nearly 60 years ago.. Mark did not accept his title (nearly 50 years ago) because he knew it would not look good to the public.. and now here's zero hope that anyone marryng a British princess is going to be offered a title...
There's never been any question about either of Beatrice or Eugenie's husbands being awarded titles they didn't already have, curtesy or otherwise in the case of Edo.
Technically Mike Tindall was given an MBE by the Queen on his own merit due to winning the RWC, which is the closest the husbands of her granddaughters will get. On their own merit, like Tim Laurence, though his connections have obviously helped. This hasn't really been in question despite it coming up briefly when Eugenie got engaged, no one seriously thought it was probable. The interesting thing will be in the next generation, with a smaller pool of working royals and Charlotte ranking above Louis- what might her hypothetical husband expect to do in the way of duties and any titles? That's food for thought for a different thread.
The only slight question mark is Edo's Italian titles in relation to Beatrice which aren't recognised legally in either Britain or Italy but probably would be socially if he wanted them to be like all the other defunct nobility and aristocracy of Europe.
None of them will get titles. Not Bea's husband, nor Charlotte's nor Louise MW....
If Charlotte marries a royal Prince from another royal house she would become a Consort if the prince is an heir to the throne. Both then would have titles.
Quote from: sandy on August 29, 2019, 05:40:25 PM
If Charlotte marries a royal Prince from another royal house she would become a Consort if the prince is an heir to the throne. Both then would have titles.
Quite obviously we were referring to the most likely situation that she would marry someone from England.. with no title. ANd he would not be given a title any more than A's husbands or Eugeniies husband
This is just a hypothetical statement. I am assuming it was on topic because the subjects are royal princesses-and possible marital partners. Charlotte is a royal princess. It is unlikely but Charlotte could very well marry someone out of the UK. She would not be limited in her choice to UK people necessarily. I am not off topic here.
Quote from: sandy on August 29, 2019, 05:47:25 PM
This is just a hypothetical statement. I am assuming it was on topic because the subjects are royal princesses-and possible marital partners. Charlotte is a royal princess. It is unlikely but Charlotte could very well marry someone out of the UK. She would not be limited in her choice to UK people necessarily. I am not off topic here.
It does not apply. we were discussing the fact that Bea's husband might be given a title.. which is not going to happen. If Charlotte did marry someone royal, obviously he would not be given a title because he would already have one...
The conversation continued with examples of other royal princesses. I see nothing off topic. And it is not beyond the realm of possibility for titles to be given to husbands. The cases of Armstrong Jones and Phillips were not centuries ago. These are on the books and perhaps Charles or William for instance might allow the grooms of born Princesses to have titles. It all depends. Charlotte could marry someone in the aristocracy and be called, Lady X, HRH Princess Charlotte. Or Countess of____.
Quote from: sandy on August 29, 2019, 05:54:58 PM
The conversation continued with examples of other royal princesses. I see nothing off topic. And it is not beyond the realm of possibility for titles to be referred on husbands. The cases of Armstrong Jones and Phillips were not centuries ago. These are on the books and perhaps Charles or William for instance might allow the grooms of born Princesses to have titles. It all depends.
why wold they reverse the trend? And as I've said - Margaret married Snowdon in 1960.. nearly 60 years ago. He was the last person to get a title when he married a princess and was about to be a father. that was a hell of a long time ago and it would not be popular with the public nowadays..
As I said it all depends. Snowdon did not know he was about to be a father, he assumed the husband of his lover was the father. It took years to clear up the mystery. Charlotte or any future royal Princesses husband could already have a title so for instance Charlotte would be HRH Princess Charlotte, Countess of________. Snowdon got the title conferred but Charlotte could marry an aristo who has a title in his own right.
Quote from: sandy on August 29, 2019, 06:04:07 PM
As I said it all depends. Snowdon did not know he was about to be a father, he assumed the husband of his lover was the father. It took years to clear up the mystery. Charlotte or any future royal Princesses husband could already have a title so for instance Charlotte would be HRH Princess Charlotte, Countess of________. Snowdon got the title conferred but Charlotte could marry an aristo who has a title in his own right.
What are you talking about? Snowdon was given his title when he was expecting his first child with Margaret, because it was clearly felt that the niece or nephew of the queen had to have some kind of courtesy title.. when he married Marg he was plain Mr Armstrong jones. He only was made E of Snowdon when their baby was on the way..and that was 60 years ago. Noone would expect that to happen now and the public would be totally against it.
And if Charlotte married someone with a title. he would already HAVE a title..so this issue of giving hm a title would not arise. That's obvious
I thought you meant the Love Child daughter that Snowdon had. He was to be a father by this married woman (she was pregnant at the time of his marriage to margaret). He got the title a year after the marriage. Margaret and Snowdon could have said no titles for their children. Snowdon's first child was born to this married woman he had been involved with (it was thought her husband was the child's father).
Who Is Polly Fry? True Story about the Daughter Antony Armstrong-Jones Had With Camilla Fry (https://www.newsweek.com/polly-fry-camilla-antony-armstrong-jones-749927)
I mentioned Charlotte hypothetical marriage, obvious or not I mentioned it.
I don't really know what Snowdons' cihld by this other woman has to do with anything. I pointed out that he was offered a title after his marriage to Marg because they were having a child and at the time it seemed that convention dictated that the child of a Princess should have at least a courtesy title and not just be Mr or Miss Jones. Margo was harldy likely to turn down a title for her husband, was she? She was haughty and arrogant.. and would nto like her child to be plain Master Jones, either.
by thte time Anne married Mark Phillips, he was firm that he did not want a title and the mood of the public had changed to the point where they would not have liked a titlte to be given to someone just for marrying the QUeen's daughter. So now, no princess is likely to get a title offered ot her husband. Charlotte or Eugenie or Beatrice...
You talked about Snowdon expecting his first child. I thought you meant this young woman who was really his first child. I think Snowdon had some haughtiness in him as well no way would he want to just be Mr Armstrong Jones. the marriage turned out to be a disaster.
The problem could be moot for Charlotte, as I said she could marry a man who already has a title.
Quote from: sandy on August 30, 2019, 03:10:56 PM
You talked about Snowdon expecting his first child. I thought you meant this young woman who was really his first child. I think Snowdon had some haughtiness in him as well no way would he want to just be Mr Armstrong Jones. the marriage turned out to be a disaster.
The problem could be moot for Charlotte, as I said she could marry a man who already has a title.
if Charlotte marries a man with a title, then she will not be in the position of being offered a title, for her husband...
I still don't know why you thought that Snowdons' chld by this other woman had anything to do with his title. As Ive said now more thtan once, he was offered a title because Margaret was pregnant and the queen (and Marg and AJ himself problaby ) did not want the child to be a mere Mister. Years later when Mark phillips married Anne, the idea of the queen's first Grandchild being Master Philips did not seem odd at all and the public would have disliked the idea...of Mark being offered a title just because of his marriage.
In 1960 or so, it was still a convention that a princess's husband should at least be offered a title for the sake of any children they might have...
I explained why. Check out the post prior to yours to see the explanation.
Never say never. A husband can always be offered a title in future, it was never really "banned."
Quote from: sandy on August 30, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
I explained why. Check out the post prior to yours to see the explanation.
Never say never. A husband can always be offered a title in future, it was never really "banned."
why wold they? Any more than it is likely that William will have a grander coronation than his father or grandmother. The monarchy is continually slimmed down and democratised.. It does not go the other way
Royals can change "rules" at the stroke of a pen.
Quote from: sandy on August 30, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
Royals can change "rules" at the stroke of a pen.
Not really. Chalres would probably like a pretty grand coronation as he is a traditionalist.. but he accepts that the public mood is for cutting back and his coronation wont be as grandiose as his mothers.. and when Will becomes KIng the public will almost certainly not want a coronation at all...
Just like Harry had to settle for a wedding at Windsor, but Andrew and Anne both had big first weddings in London.. THe robe wearing fancy ceremonial side of royal life is being cut back all the tiem and its not going to reverse.... even if the RF wants it...
They did with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor (she was supposed to get the HRH when she married Edward but the rules were changed for that).
A Windsor wedding is nothing to sneeze at. Having to "settle" for that? It's not like they went to a small Church in London.
Prince Edward's marriage also was nothing to sneeze at. Interestingly, Andrew and Fergie; Anne's and Marks marriages both broke up.
Quote from: sandy on August 30, 2019, 05:48:44 PM
They did with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor (she was supposed to get the HRH when she married Edward but the rules were changed for that).
A Windsor wedding is nothing to sneeze at. Having to "settle" for that? It's not like they went to a small Church in London.
Prince Edward's marriage also was nothing to sneeze at. Interestingly, Andrew and Fergie; Anne's and Marks marriages both broke up.
No idea what this is abot the Windsors?.. Im rather tired of making the same point again but I'll say it one more time. The ceremonial aspects of the RFs life are diminishing. It is not going to change back.. Royal weddings which used to be a spectacle that the public enjoyed, are less and less popular and less and less grandiose. the public aren't that interested any more.. they are much more likely to crib and complain about the cost, the security scare aspects, and the inconvenience. And that's not going to change. just like Will is not that likely to have a coronation.. Most other European monarchies don't have one any more.. there's a simple ceremony and that's it. Edward's wedding in Windsor was a definite "comedown" from the grander spectacles of Charles, Anne and Andrew in the 1970s and 80s. THe RF was not that popular at the time..and the queen wisely went for a simpler less expensive and fancy wedding and IMO tat was the beginning of the "climbdown".
Charles will probably have a coronation.. but it wont be anything like as grand as his mother's and Will probably wont have one at all. The heir to the throne will problably still have a reasonably big wedding in London.... but the younger children wont any more and people in the position of Eugenie or Beatrice.. children of a younger son.. maybe will end up with private weddings.. because things have changed. Opening parliament will probably not be such a big ceremony in the future...
Examples of the royals breaking their own rules are valid here.
I think Charles will not have a modest Coronation. I think Will will have a COronation unless the monarchy is no more.
Quote from: sandy on August 31, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
Examples of the royals breaking their own rules are valid here.
I think Charles will not have a modest Coronation. I think Will will have a COronation unless the monarchy is no more.
Why when most royal houses don't have a coronation? Do you really think that in 20 and something, Charles is going ot have the sort of Coronation that his mother had? Or that George will have a big wedding of the kind that Charles had?
The tendency to simplify has to do with the public mood and with money. Nothing to with "rules"....
When the Queen was crowned it was a larger Commonwealth. Of course Charles will be different. That said, he has been talking about Defender of Faith which would perhaps make it "large" in a different way. And representatives of different religions being front and center. Years later the public mood might want to have "big events." NOthing really stays the same.
The entire York family minus Andrew are at the Ellie Goulding wedding, including Jack and Edo.
Pics at the DM.
DM moderates comments, of course.
The girls are being protected, the main title and pic of the guests is Orlando Bloom, Katy Perry, Cressida Bonas, other guests and lastly the York family.
Quote from: amabel on August 31, 2019, 04:48:29 PM
Why when most royal houses don't have a coronation? Do you really think that in 20 and something, Charles is going ot have the sort of Coronation that his mother had? Or that George will have a big wedding of the kind that Charles had?
The tendency to simplify has to do with the public mood and with money. Nothing to with "rules"....
I agree that with the vast majority of royal houses substituting an oath taking for a coronation, that Charles will likely have a scaled down version of his mother's coronation. IMHO it will combine some of the traditions of the past while removing some that no longer would appear to be relevant in the 21st century.
As for Count Eduardo, he may choose to continue using his Italian courtesy title much like other European aristocrats have done when they've married into reigning or non-reigning European houses. :) The British equivalent would be an earl.
Just a small observation about something that was posted upthread when discussing the possible differences between the Queen's Coronation and Charles's, even though we seem to have drifted onto the wrong thread for this.
In 1953 the Commonwealth was very small. It consisted of the Realms, Australia, NZ, Canada etc and a couple of others, ten in all.
Now, in 2019 there are 53 members of the Commonwealth of Nations. It greatly expanded in the 1960s, '70s and '80s as countries of the old Empire became independent and joined the organisation. The timeline below illustrates this. Some countries which were not part of the British Empire have also joined since.
List of members of the Commonwealth of Nations by date joined (https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/l/List_of_members_of_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations_by_date_joined.htm)
And that was/will be a major difference between the Queen's Coronation and Charles's, when it happens. The Queen had six commonwealth Prime Ministers at the Abbey, and many Governors (appointed by the Crown) who administered colonies. And there were dozens of colonies which were directly ruled by Britain in 1953. Charles is likely to have less than a handful of those and many many GOvernor Generals and Prime Ministers of independent Commonwealth nations at his. That will be the difference. (Of course how many realms will be republics in his reign is another subject!)
Quote from: sandy on August 31, 2019, 05:29:55 PM
When the Queen was crowned it was a larger Commonwealth. Of course Charles will be different. That said, he has been talking about Defender of Faith which would perhaps make it "large" in a different way. And representatives of different religions being front and center. Years later the public mood might want to have "big events." NOthing really stays the same.
why would the public want a big event? people used to enjoy royal weddings, even if they grumbled about the cost.. but now the public mood is increasingly against the idea of royals apart from the very senior ones having a big public wedding like Anne's or Charles to Diana. Big events cost money. Once the public (like the public in other European countries) has settled for saving money by simpler less formal and symbolic events - they're not goig to go back to spending a huge amount. And the RF is less relevant.. the trend is not going to reverse.
Well they took to the 1981 CHarles-Diana wedding. Times and tastes change. Nothing is ever the same.
Quote from: sandy on September 01, 2019, 01:36:33 PM
Well they took to the 1981 CHarles-Diana wedding. Times and tastes change. Nothing is ever the same.
Yes tastes change. The Charles and Diana wedding was still in the time that the RF was considered to have a certain glamour and this feeling began to go down in the 90s after the scandals, the divorces etc...and Edward had to make do with a smaller wedding at Windsor. Now Charles' younger son has also had to have his wedding at Windsor. There was a lot of grumbling about Eugenie's wedding and it was not properly televised..
It isn't likely that when Will comes to be King that the public will want to pay for a coronation.. nor that future generations having gotten used to a much simpler Royal family will want to pay for big ceremoines.
Andrew is the second son of HM> Harry the second son of the Prince of Wales. Which also explains Harry getting Windsor and Andrew getting westminster.
It explains IMO the economical and social mood. From big to small.
Quote from: sandy on September 01, 2019, 02:08:33 PM
Andrew is the second son of HM> Harry the second son of the Prince of Wales. Which also explains Harry getting Windsor and Andrew getting westminster.
Not really.. its that times have changed. A few years ago I'd have put money on Harry being married in London like his brother. But things are slimming down.. Harry is said to be a popular royal.. more so than Andy ever was.. but IMO from now on, only the heir will get the big W Abbey wedding...
PB's boyfriend gives fond looks to the cameras. It's slightly amusing.
On another note, congratulations to Ellie Golding.
Edoardo does not even look over at Bea just at the cameras. I never see any loving looks toward her. Not a good sign
He's saving all his loving looks for the camera perhaps.
But on a serious note, I do get the impression that he's a bit of a user. IMO.
Quote from: amabel on September 01, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
Yes tastes change. The Charles and Diana wedding was still in the time that the RF was considered to have a certain glamour and this feeling began to go down in the 90s after the scandals, the divorces etc...and Edward had to make do with a smaller wedding at Windsor. Now Charles' younger son has also had to have his wedding at Windsor. There was a lot of grumbling about Eugenie's wedding and it was not properly televised..
It isn't likely that when Will comes to be King that the public will want to pay for a coronation.. nor that future generations having gotten used to a much simpler Royal family will want to pay for big ceremoines.
#1 issue would be security for the public who come to view the event. By the time Charles becomes King, I believe that there will be a scaled down ceremony at W-A but that the long carriage procession will be replaced by large motor coaches delivering the guests (BRF, British Gov't and Commonwealth representatives, foreign royals) and that the route will be as short as possible.
Most European royals have done away with carriage processions except for the rare royal wedding of the heir or a brief trip from the royal palace to parliament. The oath taking ceremonies which replaced coronations are typically happening inside the palaces (Belgium's-Phillipe and Luxembourg's-Henri) or at the Parliament-(Spain's-Felipe). The NL's -W-A took place at the Nieuwe Kirk but that's just steps from the Royal Palace so they walked.
By the time William would be king, the ceremony might be even more scaled down.
Quote from: TLLK on September 01, 2019, 04:17:23 PM
#1 issue would be security for the public who come to view the event. By the time Charles becomes King, I believe that there will be a scaled down ceremony at W-A but that the long carriage procession will be replaced by large motor coaches delivering the guests (BRF, British Gov't and Commonwealth representatives, foreign royals) and that the route will be as short as possible.
Most European royals have done away with carriage processions except for the rare royal wedding of the heir or a brief trip from the royal palace to parliament. The oath taki
I agree. Like now even Kate I think did not go to her wedding in a carriage but a car. I suppose partly security reasons. I don't think William will have a coronation or if he does it will be a much shorter simpler ceremony than in past times. Charles will I'd say but it will be simpler, less traditional stuff...(and cheaper)
Did anyone else notice that they look something alike? If they do marry and have children, you can be sure the children will have large, expressive eyes. Their smiles are similar, also, as I look at the pictures of them both together.
He has a more "square" face than PB.
He has this habit, like I mentioned earlier, of always looking intensely into the camera.
I hope that they don't plan on a broadcasting a wedding. Tone deaf to say the least.
I hope Bea is careful in her decision making
She's a big girl... Why do people seem to worr about her?
She only had one really serious relationship (Dave Clark) who dropped her. Big girls can rush into things too.
Quote from: sandy on September 04, 2019, 04:29:59 PM
I hope Bea is careful in her decision making
Somehow I don't think so. She seems keen on being with Edo.
I wonder if she's gotten over the Dave Clark saga entirely...
I think she's moved on from Dave Clark... and it sounds like this is a serios relationship. However in the present circs, she may have to opt for a quiet wedding.
She wasted time with Dave Clark who ultimately ditched her. She should have dropped him earlier after years of dating and no commitments.
Quote from: sandy on September 05, 2019, 01:33:27 AM
She wasted time with Dave Clark who ultimately ditched her. She should have dropped him earlier after years of dating and no commitments.
but she didn't. She lived with him, I gather for 10 years or so... so she must have been in love...
Quote from: sandy on September 05, 2019, 01:33:27 AM
She wasted time with Dave Clark who ultimately ditched her. She should have dropped him earlier after years of dating and no commitments.
She should haven given 2-3 years max.
I wonder if she's not compensating for her mistake with Clark by rushing it with Edo.
I've always said that if an adult couple aren't discussing their future together after two years, that is talking about getting engaged or at least living together, then it can drift. After five or six years the romance can settle in a friendship. Of course Beatrice was very young when they started dating, but I certainly think ten years without a commitment was far too long.
Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 07:23:41 AM
but she didn't. She lived with him, I gather for 10 years or so... so she must have been in love...
I never heard that they "lived together." If they did there would be sort of palimony involved. they did not reside in the same household for 10 years. Maybe weekends and stretches of time. He wasn't in love so maybe she should have not wasted any more time.
Quote from: Curryong on September 05, 2019, 10:04:15 AM
I've always said that if an adult couple aren't discussing their future together after two years, that is talking about getting engaged or at least living together, then it can drift. After five or six years the romance can settle in a friendship. Of course Beatrice was very young when they started dating, but I certainly think ten years without a commitment was far too long.
Ten years is certainly too much IMO. If she had wanted to give it a longer chance she should have given it a year more. So around 2,3,4 years in total. If someone isn't committed by say the second year, I don't think they're that serious about it.
It must have been difficult for her to realize that it was basically ten years for nothing. And the guy married soon after. So it's not difficult to be sympathetic to her. IMO.
Why?
Quote from: sandy on September 05, 2019, 02:12:01 PM
I never heard that they "lived together." If they did there would be sort of palimony involved. they did not reside in the same household for 10 years. Maybe weekends and stretches of time. He wasn't in love so maybe she should have not wasted any more time.
they were together for 10 years, I find ti hard to believe they didn't live together.. Most young royals seem to.. I don't know what this palimony thing is.. people live together without "palimony" in the UK at least....
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Quote from: oak_and_cedar on September 05, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
I'm not sure i'm following...
Why feel sympahteitc for her? I have nothing against her but I don't know why everyone seems so involved with worrying about her. She's a big girl, over 30. She hasn't had to remain a virgin or lead a restricted life until she got married.. like previous princesses. She has been able to lead a full life, travel, work etc...
Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
Why feel sympahteitc for her? I have nothing against her but I don't know why everyone seems so involved with worrying about her. She's a big girl, over 30. She hasn't had to remain a virgin or lead a restricted life until she got married.. like previous princesses. She has been able to lead a full life, travel, work etc...
I'm not worried about her or anything. People sometimes make mistakes whatever age.
I mean I was sympathetic with regards to that situation. You can lead a full life etc. and still get your heart broken. That I sympathize with.
She has been sheltered in that she had one prior serious relationship and did not move on when she saw it was not going anywhere or the bad signs were there. She should have moved on earlier and dated others.
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Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
they were together for 10 years, I find ti hard to believe they didn't live together.. Most young royals seem to.. I don't know what this palimony thing is.. people live together without "palimony" in the UK at least....
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Why feel sympahteitc for her? I have nothing against her but I don't know why everyone seems so involved with worrying about her. She's a big girl, over 30. She hasn't had to remain a virgin or lead a restricted life until she got married.. like previous princesses. She has been able to lead a full life, travel, work etc...
they were not "living together" in any formal way. For instance If a woman is dumped after a couple has a formal agreement to live together, she can collect money (like alimony) after they go their separate ways. there is no record of the two living in the same place for ten years.
For goodness sake.. people don't have formal agreement to live together.. THey move in and sometimes they move out. They don't sign legal agreements. and as for collecting money probably Bea would be the one who would be keeping him... Im sure she is better off than he is. And isn't she supposed to be living with ths Edo?
I mean she might have spent some weekends at his place. But I don't think that she moved in with him. It would have been widely reported IMO.
I don't think she even lives with her current bf. But I could be wrong..
Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 03:38:12 PM
For goodness sake.. people don't have formal agreement to live together.. THey move in and sometimes they move out. They don't sign legal agreements. and as for collecting money probably Bea would be the one who would be keeping him... Im sure she is better off than he is. And isn't she supposed to be living with ths Edo?
Formal agreements are often necessary especially if it involves money and property. Many young people are savvy enough to have some sort of an agreement.
there is no report of her living with Edo. People don't always move in together they may spend weekends but I doubt Bea rushed to move in with this man.
Didn't Clark live in NY? At the time she might have even had to asked for HM's permission/opinion. I'm not so sure that HM would have liked that.
It's worse if she lived together with no commitments for ten years. She was very young when she met him I doubt the Queen would have allowed it.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on September 05, 2019, 03:59:44 PM
I mean she might have spent some weekends at his place. But I don't think that she moved in with him. It would have been widely reported IMO.
I don't think she even lives with her current bf. But I could be wrong..
according to some reports she does have him living in her place and she spends time at his place as he has his child living there. Theres nto that much in the papers about Bea or Eugenie.. so why would it be reported...
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Quote from: oak_and_cedar on September 05, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
Didn't Clark live in NY? At the time she might have even had to asked for HM's permission/opinion. I'm not so sure that HM would have liked that.
why would she have to ask for the queen's permission? She was a grown woman, and her parents probably saw no objection..
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Quote from: sandy on September 05, 2019, 04:05:10 PM
Formal agreements are often necessary especially if it involves money and property. Many young people are savvy enough to have some sort of an agreement.
Yes they are called Marriage. I don't know of many young people who "have agreements". They move in because they like the idea, or because it saves on expenses..and if it doesn't work they move out. Honeslty sounds like Sheldon and Amy..
Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
according to some reports she does have him living in her place and she spends time at his place as he has his child living there. Theres nto that much in the papers about Bea or Eugenie.. so why would it be reported...
why would she have to ask for the queen's permission? She was a grown woman, and her parents probably saw no objection..
But has he officially moved in though?
Her grandmother is the monarch and might not have been enthusiastic about her living in NY. Especially since in the beginning before PW had children she was still an important part of the succession.
Quote from: amabel on September 01, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
Not really.. its that times have changed. A few years ago I'd have put money on Harry being married in London like his brother. But things are slimming down.. Harry is said to be a popular royal.. more so than Andy ever was.. but IMO from now on, only the heir will get the big W Abbey wedding...
i think harry's windsor wedding was related to meghan divorced status
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on September 05, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
She should haven given 2-3 years max.
I wonder if she's not compensating for her mistake with Clark by rushing it with Edo.
Why? i understand they start their relationship when she was 17, 18 or 19... i doubt she ever thought in marriage before lets say she was 26
Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
according to some reports she does have him living in her place and she spends time at his place as he has his child living there. Theres nto that much in the papers about Bea or Eugenie.. so why would it be reported...
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why would she have to ask for the queen's permission? She was a grown woman, and her parents probably saw no objection..
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Yes they are called Marriage. I don't know of many young people who "have agreements". They move in because they like the idea, or because it saves on expenses..and if it doesn't work they move out. Honeslty sounds like Sheldon and Amy..
No it's not called marriage. Some couples totally reject the idea of marriage and just live together. Agreements must be made.
there is no record of her setting up housekeeping with either of these men on any permanent basis.
not everybody have your idea of living together involving agreements
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on September 05, 2019, 03:25:09 PM
I'm not worried about her or anything. People sometimes make mistakes whatever age.
I mean I was sympathetic with regards to that situation. You can lead a full life etc. and still get your heart broken. That I sympathize with.
who knows as she felt about him? maybe that was a long-term 'dead' relationship....
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Quote from: sandy on September 05, 2019, 04:09:35 PM
It's worse if she lived together with no commitments for ten years. She was very young when she met him I doubt the Queen would have allowed it.
if they were living together there was commitment
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on September 05, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
But has he officially moved in though?
Her grandmother is the monarch and might not have been enthusiastic about her living in NY. Especially since in the beginning before PW had children she was still an important part of the succession.
As far as I know Bea has had jobs in NY so presumably unless it was a very long commute she lived there.. with or without Clarke. Beatrice is well down the succession.. not of any importance whatsoever in that respect.
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Quote from: sandy on September 05, 2019, 04:45:04 PM
No it's not called marriage. Some couples totally reject the idea of marriage and just live together. Agreements must be made.
there is no record of her setting up housekeeping with either of these men on any permanent basis.
WHo? if they reject marriage, then why would they stick with some other legal agreement? And if it does not have the force of law, what's the point of it. People live together.. they move in.. They don't set up legal agreements.. They move and if it suits them they stay.. If it doesn't they move out.
The thing is in this day and age it is not just moving out. There is money involved, Some have children together, and property and in whose name. It's not that easy. Why wouldn't they set up legal agreements for protection? It makes sense. And there are issues of the wills and changing the wills. And what if the man moves in with a woman and does not set up provisions for her after he dies. It's very complicated.
It does have the force of law. And there are many many lawyers who handle domestic relationships whether or not the couple is married.
Pretty nonsensical. ANyway, mostly people do not go through all this palaver. Beatrice and other royal women.. there is no problem now with them living together with their boyfriends...
Nonsensical? It would be nonsensical and risky if each person in the relationship did not have any legal documents. A woman or man would be vulnerable if there was no legal protection. A man could walk out and clean out a bank account if the woman did not protect her assets and he could clean out an joint bank account or an account in his name only. And there are cases of this happening.Also if a woman is with a man for years and when he dies gets nothing from him because he did not bother to revise a will and factor her in, she would be left with nothing if she had had no money of her own when she began the relationship.
I did not say there was a Problem. I just doubt Bea was living together with either of them. Edoardo also has some domestic issues since his ex had his child.
I think most people do go through this palaver. Better to have palaver than be walked out on and left with nothing.
Quote from: dianab on September 05, 2019, 04:39:40 PM
Why? i understand they start their relationship when she was 17, 18 or 19... i doubt she ever thought in marriage before lets say she was 26
Who knows what age she considered marriage. But she probably had hopes for the relationship if she stayed for years, IMO.
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Quote from: dianab on September 05, 2019, 04:51:39 PM
who knows as she felt about him? maybe that was a long-term 'dead' relationship....
She stayed for a decade so it wasn't 'dead' IMO.
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Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 06:43:54 PM
As far as I know Bea has had jobs in NY so presumably unless it was a very long commute she lived there.. with or without Clarke. Beatrice is well down the succession.. not of any importance whatsoever in that respect.
But she was pretty high up in the beginning Before PW had a family.
Quote from: sandy on September 05, 2019, 07:55:50 PM
Nonsensical? It would be nonsensical and risky if each person in the relationship did not have any legal documents. A woman or man would be vulnerable if there was no legal protection. A man could walk out and clean out a bank account if the woman did not protect her assets and he could clean out an joint bank account or an account in his name only. And there are cases of this happening.Also if a woman is with a man for years and when he dies gets nothing from him because he did not bother to revise a will and factor her in, she would be left with nothing if she had had no money of her own when she began the relationship.
I did not say there was a Problem. I just doubt Bea was living together with either of them. Edoardo also has some domestic issues since his ex had his child.
That is why people get married.. Generally however couples living together in their twenties, who are vaguely thinking of marriage.. dotnt go round with legal agreements or the like. They live together. If they split up, they take their stuff and walk.
I thought that it was EDo who had the main role as child carer because his ex girlfriend travels a lot for work.
Well some don't get married or one does not want to get married and the other settles for being a live in in the hopes the partner will eventually marry. So it is to me hardly practical to sit around and hope for the ring and years pass and no legal arrangements are made between them.
If they are smart and realistic, they indeed get legal agreements. it's not just getting one's things and walking if it's for the long haul.
women are more educated now and more financially savvy a woman just moving her things in and hoping for the best is not as much the norm as it used to be.
Married couples even get pre nups now. Which is more and more prevalent.
well if you know a lot of people who live with someone iwht a legal agreement I have never heard of anyone who did.
I do know them. I also attended financial and legal literacy lectures and the days of a woman not getting financial and legal advice before moving in with someone (and getting legal protection) are really over. So many cases exist of a woman being dumped and the man taking her possessions and money when a relationship goes sour. There are even con men (and women) who move in with someone and end up leaving with the money and valuables. There was a case of a man moving in and telling a woman who had a safe, you don't have to give me the combination. The woman wants the man to think she trusts him so of course gives the combination and the next day the man and the safe contents are gone.
a legal agreement equals marriage which in it self is a piece of paper that can led to another piece of paper called divorce... wealthy people with their own houses and generally 20-somethings hardly does this stuff when starting a relationship and chose moved in... meghan had a living in boyfriend before harry and i've never read that she had a legal agreement with that and that dont changes at all that she lived with that man... gazillions of other couples around the world are the same
I recall she and Cory had some sort of agreement. I read it somewhere.
I would not say gazillions myself
Quote from: dianab on September 05, 2019, 09:45:21 PM
a legal agreement equals marriage which in it self is a piece of paper that can led to another piece of paper called divorce... wealthy people with their own houses and generally 20-somethings hardly does this stuff when starting a relationship and chose moved in... meghan had a living in boyfriend before harry and i've never read that she had a legal agreement with that and that dont changes at all that she lived with that man... gazillions of other couples around the world are the same
Well precisely. What is the point of a legal agreement when there is marriage? and as you say marriages can break up, can lead to rows about property and custody anyway.... I've never heard of any young couple who move in together, going through al this sort of stuff. People start by spending more time together.. then maybe they move in full time and only have one flat. Beatrice has some place in KP.. Edo has a flt in London. Odds are that they live half and half between the 2 places.. and since Bea doesn't own her place n KP it would be ridiculous ot have legal agreements about who owns what.
I do know some couples that life together with "legal agreements" without marriage, because they've been divorced and got "burned by the name marriage" but have assets together and a couple in my extended family before marriage equality for LGBT people, but those aren't a young couple in their 20-30s who are just trying to see if they're compatible, even if they're wealthy. She had bodyguards and others paid for by her father, she wasn't in a vulnerable position to be taken advantage of, except if a man is using her for her fame and connections.
I don't know if Bea was/is living with either, but all her adult cousins did before marriage. It was reported earlier this year that he said he was living in St. James, but that could have been made up. She has lived at least part time in NY but has always seemed to fly about all over the place. The fact that she didn't claim some sort of common law spousal support means they weren't officially living together is hilarious, that's probably the last thing she'd have wanted to do, no matter how the situation went down.
We don't know that she and Dave didn't have an understanding about marriage in the future, just that it ultimately didn't happen. There were all sorts of predictions William was suddenly going to find "The One" and drop Kate after so many years, even though their situation was unique.
True most young royals tend to live together for a time before they marry nowadays.. so I don't know why Bea wodl not. but the idea of her "having a contract" with a boyfriend is just silly. they are not buying a house together or likely to have children before they marry so there is no need for a contract....
It's a personal choice for each couple.
Nothing is "silly". I have my opinion and thoughts and they are not "silly."
The couple may not even last. The ex had a baby with the man and I think she had some legal resources so he would not walk off and not help their child.
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Quote from: amabel on September 06, 2019, 06:52:33 AM
Well precisely. What is the point of a legal agreement when there is marriage? and as you say marriages can break up, can lead to rows about property and custody anyway.... I've never heard of any young couple who move in together, going through al this sort of stuff. People start by spending more time together.. then maybe they move in full time and only have one flat. Beatrice has some place in KP.. Edo has a flt in London. Odds are that they live half and half between the 2 places.. and since Bea doesn't own her place n KP it would be ridiculous ot have legal agreements about who owns what.
I would not easily dismiss this. I heard plenty about couples dealing with money issues and financial and legal issues when they move in together.
They do not share a residence together. Nor formally live together. No evidence of it.
One example of advice for couples cohabitating
It's only one of many sites on the Internet.
This is real life.
Living Together - FindLaw (https://family.findlaw.com/living-together.html)
If Princess Beatrice and Edoardo marry, do yo think that they will want to reside in London?
Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
they were together for 10 years, I find ti hard to believe they didn't live together.. Most young royals seem to.. I don't know what this palimony thing is.. people live together without "palimony" in the UK at least....
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Why feel sympahteitc for her? I have nothing against her but I don't know why everyone seems so involved with worrying about her. She's a big girl, over 30. She hasn't had to remain a virgin or lead a restricted life until she got married.. like previous princesses. She has been able to lead a full life, travel, work etc...
I felt very sorry for her when her relationship with Dave Clark broke down. We don't know and never will know whether they had an understanding and subsequently it fell apart or what the situation was, but the fact is that they were in a deep relationship that broke apart. There had to be a painful ending, and, the breakup was known and discussed all over the place. She must have been mortified, big girl and all. I felt very sorry for her and hope history doesn't repeat.
I think Dave Clark was really not the man for her to put it mildly. He may have been using her for influence for himself and in his mind may have had no intention of marrying her. She should not rush into a marriage after this. She is only in her early thirties.
Honestly, she should have ditched Clarke after two - three years, tops.
He was awfully quick in re marrying too, IMO.
It's better to take things a bit slow(er) and be sure, than to "rush in" and regret it.
Quote from: sandy on September 07, 2019, 12:15:17 PM
I think Dave Clark was really not the man for her to put it mildly. He may have been using her for influence for himself and in his mind may have had no intention of marrying her. She should not rush into a marriage after this. She is only in her early thirties.
Yes, I agree. And maybe it's wishful thinking, but this fellow looks right into the camera and isn't afraid to be seen doting on her. I hope and think that means he really cares. The other thing is that they were friends long before they were an item...that often translates into a permanent relationship.
It's hard to tell. He has that situation with his ex and let's see how he treats Beatrice if they follow through on a marriage.
Quote from: sandy on September 08, 2019, 11:26:15 PM
It's hard to tell. He has that situation with his ex and let's see how he treats Beatrice if they follow through on a marriage.
One good thing is that the situation with his ex fianc? and mother of his child is not "all out there all over the place". They are all being careful to keep it private, it seems, which is the best thing in the circumstances...there doesn't seem to be a lot of drama.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 16, 2019, 12:25:04 AM
One good thing is that the situation with his ex fianc? and mother of his child is not "all out there all over the place". They are all being careful to keep it private, it seems, which is the best thing in the circumstances...there doesn't seem to be a lot of drama.
I don't think it looks very good that he had a child with this woman onl a shrot time ago and they seem to have broken up very suddenly...
their boy was 2 or 3 when they broke up... to me it's not the end of world.... but the reality of many people...
If Princess Beatrice and Edoardo announce their engagement, do you think the press will want to interview Prince Andrew to inquire how he feels about the engagement?
No, not unless he gets asked at an engagement. They'll send out the same press release they did when Eugenie got engaged, likely with Andrew leaving off his HRH so "The Duke and Duchess of York" can present a united (delighted) front for their daughter.
Quote from: dianab on September 19, 2019, 03:54:00 PM
their boy was 2 or 3 when they broke up... to me it's not the end of world.... but the reality of many people...
It may not be the end fo the world to someone outside but it is a small child, whose paretns appear to have split up very soon after his birth and he has moved on to Beatrice...
it's the reality of many children ,their parents parted ways when they were/are toddlers. what matters is the kid having good parents. it's not the 1950s anymore. people are entitled to move on with their lives. i dont think splitting up with 2 or 3-years kid is very soon after the birth... and men move on very fast it's never been news... the parents appears got on well co-parenting, beatrice is fond of his boyfriend's son, as far the things are working out very nicely for this kid. and it's the reality of many families in last 20 and so years
It can work out sometimes. The Tom Brady case is an example. He was dating Bridget Moynahan she became pregnant and he still broke up with her. They had a son, soon after he dated Gisele Bundchen, they married and had two children but his first child is close to Tom and his wife and family. Tom as I recall got much criticism. But sometimes the man just moves on a treats the next woman in his life just as badly. It all depends.
Personally, I would rather see a relationship dissolve when the children are very young, as long as everyone is sensible and don't use the children as pawns in a hate game.
Congratulations they are engaged.
I hope this ends well. I wonder if she will want the big wedding.
Congratulations to Beatrice and Eduardo on their engagement. Hope that we'll see an interview later today. Nice to know that Eugenie took some of their engagement photos.
Little sister Eugenie snaps Beatrice?s engagement photos ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/little-sister-eugenie-snaps-beatrices-engagement-photos-131029/)
More on Edo
From the Italian press
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Princess Beatrice is preparing for her wedding to Count Edward Mapelli-Mozzi, heir to an ancient Lombard noble family. The couple should go to the altar "in the spring or summer next," the source said.
Un nuovo Royal Wedding: Beatrice di York sposa l'italiano Edoardo Mapelli-Mozzi - Moda - D.it Repubblica (https://d.repubblica.it/moda/2019/08/21/news/matrimonio_beatrice_di_york_edoardo_mapelli_mozzi_principe_harry_sarah_ferguson-4513489/)
The Mapelli Mozzi Palace in San Pietro, Northern Italy
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Villa Mapelli-Mozzi.
The Villa Mapelli or Villa Mapelli-Mozzi is a large rural Neoclassic palace located just outside the town of Ponte San Pietro in the province of Bergamo, northern Italy.
The site originally held a castle, property of the Mozzi family, but the current villa today was completed after 1770 by the count Enrico Mozzi.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Mapellipozzi2.JPG/1200px-Mapellipozzi2.JPG
There are more Italian articles, google translate. According to the Italian press, Edo is heir to the Lombard estate and titles.
I doubt they will be married abroad. Surley they will want the queen and Philip to come.
Agree, but I think Edo's family will want a SECOND wedding in Italy. The Lombard family to which Edo is heir, I would think they would want their own 'piece' of a local wedding at their noble ancestral house.
Here's another view of the Mapelli Mozzi Palace villa
http://www.isolabergamasca.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Villa-Mapelli.jpg
I hope she does not have these two weddings, both on a large scale. I don't think that will go over well.
Quote from: TLLK on September 26, 2019, 02:32:25 PM
Congratulations to Beatrice and Eduardo on their engagement. Hope that we'll see an interview later today. Nice to know that Eugenie took some of their engagement photos.
Little sister Eugenie snaps Beatrice?s engagement photos ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/little-sister-eugenie-snaps-beatrices-engagement-photos-131029/)
And they seem to be genuinely happy. I have no idea what happened between him and the mother of his child, but if that was not going to be a good relationship it's better it was dissolved. I just hope history doesn't repeat on his part, because in my view Beatrice deserves to be happy.
If he cheated on the ex, I hope he does not cheat on Bea. I hope Bea picked the right one if she wants a lifetime of happiness. She just came out of a long term relationship. He and his ex will always have that child in common and that part will never be erased.
Congratulations to Eduardo and Princess Beatrice on their engagement.
Quote from: sandy on September 26, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
If he cheated on the ex, I hope he does not cheat on Bea. I hope Bea picked the right one if she wants a lifetime of happiness. She just came out of a long term relationship. He and his ex will always have that child in common and that part will never be erased.
well she's committed to it now. Im not surprised. I think that she's been very keen ot get married since her sister's marriage.
I think she expected to marry first and apparently thought there was a future with Dave Clark.
Quote from: sandy on September 27, 2019, 11:20:06 AM
I think she expected to marry first and apparently thought there was a future with Dave Clark.
obviously she was wrong. However I hope this guy is all right but I am dubous that tehre seems to be some overlap between his relationship with the woman he had a child with.. and Beatrice
Quote from: sandy on September 26, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
If he cheated on the ex, I hope he does not cheat on Bea. I hope Bea picked the right one if she wants a lifetime of happiness. She just came out of a long term relationship. He and his ex will always have that child in common and that part will never be erased.
She and Dave Clark ended their relationship a few years ago and she hasn't dated anyone (that we know of) seriously in between, I don't think he or a "rebound" thought process are a factor. Though perhaps she is feeling pressure being 31 and "The only unmarried adult cousin", many of her friends etc I hope not. It does seem pretty quick, especially with a small child in the mix but I hope it works out for all of them.
She was seen with another guy...iirc at LA party
And also dated a italian man before dave clark
i think interesting in late 1990s and early 2000s Fergie had a serious relationship with a Italian Count who was estranged from his wife. Now her daughter is marrying a Italian aristo who has a ex-partner whom he has a child. Life made the full circle looks like lol
Hopefully their marriage will last the lifetime, 'until death do us apart'.
I'm not into measuring time and circumstances, the couple live in the same country, and as per reports were barely ''apart'', he and Dara also ended, she confirmed it did not work between them and to SIX (6) months before he started dating Beatrice. Dara and Edo are modern, they finished their relationship and lived in the same abode, those things happen. So for those who do the measuring of time and circumstances, should take this into account. In other words, there are other couples who have worst stats.
I also agree that Bea dated casually or went out with old mates (male friends) before seriously dating Edo.
I don't see Dara and Edo as "modern" these sorts of relationships have gone on many many years.
Bea I think still rushed this relationship. Her sister got married last year and Bea was coming out of a breakup where the man dropped her and soon after married another person. Bea probably assumed that she'd get married first.
her break up was a long time ago... 3 years ago (2016)... from which i've read her ex married after dating for 2 years his current wife which is a okay time for a man in his late 20s or early 30s - hardly too soon... very different when you start dating someone when you're 20 or even younger
I look foward to this wedding if her engagement ring and engagement photos are any signs... it'll be quite beautuful and regal... i found very beautiful her sister's wedding. Way way better than William' and Harry' wedding's. The Princesses of Sweden also had way way better weddings than the Wales brothers.
As Bea and her beau their story as far looks like a coup de foudre... good luck to them... who knows if he will enjoy Sandringham and Balmoral? As far as ring and engagement photos they have shown immense good taste
Eugenie and Jack's wedding was not televised and Bea and Edo's won't either. I liked Eugenie's gown and I think her husband is a good choice for her. Not so sure about Edo.
Quote from: sandy on September 29, 2019, 01:23:04 PM
Eugenie and Jack's wedding was not televised and Bea and Edo's won't either. I liked Eugenie's gown and I think her husband is a good choice for her. Not so sure about Edo.
It was televised..
Not in the US. And I understand the entire ceremony was not covered by TV unlike Harry and Meghan's wedding. And William and Kate's.
Quote from: sandy on September 29, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
Not in the US. And I understand the entire ceremony was not covered by TV unlike Harry and Meghan's wedding. And William and Kate's.
It was shown as part of a morning television show, I don't know if it was all shown but I presume enough to please the veiwers. But the Yorks are not very popular and I think the British public had had enough of royal weddings last year and most of them didn't want to see Eugenie's and carped at the idea of a full TV wedding.
Perhaps not LIVE TV, but I am sure pre-recorded, video edits to be shown in TV shows prime time or not, online news, etc. WILL SURELY happen. It is NEWS for the SOCIAL section of any media show, online, radio, however and whatever you want to call the gossip news section. A CEO of any media will not miss the last granddaughter wedding of the BRF, even if its just a 15 minute mention. :D (Sections are made so people can decide what to watch, listen or read: you want politics, go straight to the pollical section, you want gossip they will do Bea and Edo).
Eugenie's wedding was LIVE via ITV Britain only during 30 minutes (inside St. George's Chapel), with commercial breaks. If any other channel purchased the copyrights of ITV, then so be it. It was actually the TV's choice. No one can force a TV channel to film and place it live.
Now, if any channel wishes to do such, and the Bea/Edo say yes to it. Its the channel's ''risk'' so to speak for ''ratings''.
I am certain though, that the couple if not using or being used by a TV Channel, they will for sure HIRE a professional videographer for their own technological ''Wedding Album''. It's the done thing IF you have MONEY.
They may do so, but that isn't the same as having their wedding televised. The fact that it probably wont be.. and that Eugenie's was only shown as part of a morning TV programme is an indication that they are not that popular in th UK
As I said it's the TV Channel ''Risk''. No one cared, that means no ratings, the TV bad decision making. :shrug: It wasn't Eugenie's (or Andrew's) fault, although 15M watched the ITV morning show, one would think that number of rating is better than a normal/usual Friday with whatever gossip happened with a celeb the day before?! They (the York's) aren't the owners nor bosses of ITV who ultimately signed the deal.
Meet Edoardo
Meet Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, the man who has charmed Princess Beatrice - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDT2lXcLbA4)
Earlier on this thread I paid Edo a compliment; that it looks right at the camera and seems to be proud to be with Princess Beatrice, and also the fact that they were friends first is a very good sign. She does seem really happy, and now they are engaged! As to the wedding, I'd say she will either have a wedding similar to her sister's wedding, or they will have a wedding like Anne's second wedding - not secret but the public not given the plans or the venue.
This Morning's "Royal Wedding Special with Ruth and Eamon" or however it was worded was actually very well watched in the UK, for a lower tired Princess who's family have not been popular with the public. They also had a bit of BTS stuff and an interview with the couple.
I could see ITV going for the same again with Beatrice if that's what the family want. The only question would be do they want to associate with Andrew right now. But since the wedding would mostly feature Bea and Edo, and the focus would be on them (hopefully) and not her father. Although it will certainly be mentioned in the press, especially in the speculation and near run up to the wedding.
I think Bea is happy but I am not sure about Edo's motives.
What is the career of Edoardo?
Quote from: sandy on September 30, 2019, 01:55:44 PM
I think Bea is happy but I am not sure about Edo's motives.
Of course I could be wrong. Somehow from his demeanor I feel he is totally committed to her and happy to be marrying her. Let's hope so, in any case.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on October 02, 2019, 02:02:10 AM
Of course I could be wrong. Somehow from his demeanor I feel he is totally committed to her and happy to be marrying her. Let's hope so, in any case.
well on the one hand he has rather rushed into the relationship and she IS a Princess so probably there are social kudos which pushed him into a fairly quick courtship and move towards engagement. However in B's circumstnaces at the moment he is tying himself to a branch of the RF that is having media image problems even if it s not personally Bea
Yes, I understand your point. Yet, I don't think Beatrice rushed - it was a couple of years that she was alone. Had she committed to someone in the first six months or so after her breakup I would have been concerned about a relationship on the rebound. I suspect and hope that she did a lot of soul searching and self review. The fact that she has been friends with him for a long time is a good sign to me. In any case I am certainly rooting for them.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on October 04, 2019, 04:09:35 AM
Yes, I understand your point. Yet, I don't think Beatrice rushed - it was a couple of years that she was alone. Had she committed to someone in the first six months or so after her breakup I would have been concerned about a relationship on the rebound. I suspect and hope that she did a lot of soul searching and self review. The fact that she has been friends with him for a long time is a good sign to me. In any case I am certainly rooting for them.
I'd be a bit bothered by the fact that he seems to have only just split up with his girlfriend very soon after she had their baby. Even if they share custody, it seems to me that they let the relationship go, I would like to think that a couple who had a baby, even if it was an accidental pregnancy, would give their relationship a try for the sake of the child. I don't know the details however so I am not sure..
And perhaps he rushed into the relationship wit B because of her status. But then again I don't know much about Bea.. so I don't know
Something not quite right about him IMO. I hope he is not an opportunist.
Time will tell. I agree it is disturbing that had a split right after his fianc? had his child, but we don't know anything about that, either. The point is they've been friends for a long time and hopefully she would know if he was a cad. Eugenie and Sarah are certainly happy about it! But how sad for her at this wonderful time in her life and her father's legal mess is hanging over them.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on October 06, 2019, 02:37:29 AM
Time will tell. I agree it is disturbing that had a split right after his fianc? had his child, but we don't know anything about that, either. The point is they've been friends for a long time and hopefully she would know if he was a cad. Eugenie and Sarah are certainly happy about it! But how sad for her at this wonderful time in her life and her father's legal mess is hanging over them.
well that's how the chips fall. I think she's rather eager to get married.. and its probably best to do it soon and hope that the Andy mess will fizzle out over time. Pehaps it will have died out and no longer be an active story by the time of the wedding and eventually perhaps Andy will iether retire or live down his awful behaviour
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on October 06, 2019, 02:37:29 AM
Time will tell. I agree it is disturbing that had a split right after his fianc? had his child, but we don't know anything about that, either. The point is they've been friends for a long time and hopefully she would know if he was a cad. Eugenie and Sarah are certainly happy about it! But how sad for her at this wonderful time in her life and her father's legal mess is hanging over them.
Sarah may be happy but Bea is the one who is marrying him. I just don't like the way he treated his ex. It may not bode well.
Quote from: sandy on October 06, 2019, 11:10:26 AM
Sarah may be happy but Bea is the one who is marrying him. I just don't like the way he treated his ex. It may not bode well.
It may not and if it doesn't work out I will be very sad for her. I noted that Eugenie and Sarah are happy about it - I think that is significant. If they saw something they didn't like in him they wouldn't be so gushing now that they are engaged. Anyway, I sure am hoping they have a long and happy marriage.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on October 09, 2019, 03:46:03 AM
It may not and if it doesn't work out I will be very sad for her. I noted that Eugenie and Sarah are happy about it - I think that is significant. If they saw something they didn't like in him they wouldn't be so gushing now that they are engaged. Anyway, I sure am hoping they have a long and happy marriage.
I doubt if they are going to say they are NOT happy about it..and Sarah is partiucalrly gushy as a person. Besides not being very perceptive. I wouldn't take their attitude as a sign that Edo is an OK guy
Quote from: amabel on October 09, 2019, 06:13:18 AM
I doubt if they are going to say they are NOT happy about it..and Sarah is partiucalrly gushy as a person. Besides not being very perceptive. I wouldn't take their attitude as a sign that Edo is an OK guy
Granted, but I would take it as sign that he is NOTan OK guy if they had been quiet. Eugenie's post was notable because she addressed him as well.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on October 09, 2019, 03:46:03 AM
It may not and if it doesn't work out I will be very sad for her. I noted that Eugenie and Sarah are happy about it - I think that is significant. If they saw something they didn't like in him they wouldn't be so gushing now that they are engaged. Anyway, I sure am hoping they have a long and happy marriage.
The thing is only Bea has to live with him and be with him. Her sister and mother don't and are on the outside looking in. Sometimes family members keep reservations to themselves.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on October 09, 2019, 02:19:33 PM
Granted, but I would take it as sign that he is NOTan OK guy if they had been quiet. Eugenie's post was notable because she addressed him as well.
Im old fashioned and can't understand this putting famly congrats on social media. But since I assume this is more to announce to the public their congratulations to Edo and Bea, I'd say that it is not at all likely to show any reservations. Its just like the old style of "THe Duchess of York is happy to announce her daugther's engagement to Edo" sort of announcement so it is not revealing of how they really feel. And Fergie is probably just crazy delighted now that boht her girls are marrying.. so I don't think she would be negative about anyone . I don't know how the marriage will work out but wish Bea well