Former monarchies historic discussion: France, Germany, Russia etc..

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Curryong

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on July 09, 2023, 10:17:36 PM
Whatever happened to Napoleon I's only legitimate son?   
Whatever Happened To Napoleon's Only Legitimate Son? - YouTube

What happened to him was that he died very young, in Austria his mother?s country, away from France where he had not lived since toddlerhood. His cause of death (at 21) was probably some form of TB. He was unmarried and had no children. He did not resemble his father physically or mentally, and is really a footnote in history.

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If Napoleon II had lived longer, would he have had supporters for him to want the empire restored?


Curryong

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on July 10, 2023, 11:08:50 PM
If Napoleon II had lived longer, would he have had supporters for him to want the empire restored?

In France, you mean? Undoubtedly. Whether the Austrian Emperor and Chancellor Metternich would have allowed him to visit that country in any sort of official capacity is debatable, however. Not to mention the other Coalition powers that had defeated Bonaparte, GB, Russia, Prussia etc.

Those countries had had enough trouble with a military leader who wanted to begin a new French Empire in the first 15 years of the 19th century, without facing another representative of the family wanting to do the same in the very unsettled Europe of the 1830s and 1840s.

Not that I think that Napoleon?s son had the same sort of charisma or military genius of his father. From what I?ve read of him he appears to have taken after the Hapsburgs rather than the Bonaparte family, though he was very proud of his father. However, best not to let him try to replicate anything!

Amabel2

Quote from: Curryong on July 10, 2023, 12:28:31 AM
What happened to him was that he died very young, in Austria his mother?s country, away from France where he had not lived since toddlerhood. His cause of death (at 21) was probably some form of TB. He was unmarried and had no children. He did not resemble his father physically or mentally, and is really a footnote in history.

Its hardly a mystery. His short life is well known

Curryong

Quote from: Amabel2 on July 11, 2023, 09:01:58 AM
Its hardly a mystery. His short life is well known

Who said it was a mystery? I was merely giving a short overview of what LouisFerdinand originally posted.

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Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany proposed to his second wife Princess Hermine Reuss   
of Greiz in Huis Door in The Netherlands in 1922.


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Napoleon Eugene, Prince Imperial of France began a course in physics and mathematics   
at King's College in the Strand. He travelled up daily with Monsieur Filon and Louis Conneau.   

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Napoleon's descendants became "Old Money"   
How Napoleon?s Descendants (Finally) Became "Old Money" - YouTube   
 
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Although raised in his uncle King Philip II of Spain's Catholic court in Spain,   
Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph II was tolerant of Protestanism and other religions including Judaism.


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Madame Royal was a style used for the eldest living unmarried daughter of a reigning French monarch.


Curryong

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on September 07, 2023, 12:26:47 AM
Madame Royal was a style used for the eldest living unmarried daughter of a reigning French monarch.

Yes it was and it encouraged Queen Henrietta Maria, the French wife of Charles I, to press for an English title for the eldest daughter of the monarch. She couldn?t believe there wasn?t one, and so the styling ?the Princess Royal? was begun.

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Tsar Nicholas II of Russia had bank accounts in Germany. He could not close them.   
They were frozen because Germany and Russia were at war.   

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Curryong

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on October 15, 2023, 10:28:15 PM
Tsar Nicholas II of Russia had bank accounts in Germany. He could not close them.   
They were frozen because Germany and Russia were at war.   

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I?m not so sure that was the case. It was said in several books about Nicholas for many years that the Tsar had bank accounts in Europe and in London until his death (hence the very great interest in the many legal moves of Anna Anderson aka GDss Anastasia in between the wars) but more recent research has concluded that in fact as soon as war between the European Powers was even mooted Nicholas?s bankers had all foreign funds withdrawn and brought back to Russia.

There wouldn?t have been huge amounts of money deposited in Germany anyway. For at least ten years before the war relations between Russia and Germany were quite cool as Russia and France (and the UK) formed close formal alliances and understandings. And cousins Nicholas and Willie weren?t exactly great friends. Wilhelm thought Nicholas was a stupid person ?fit only to grow turnips? and Nicholas?s beloved wife Alexandra (yet another cousin) could not stand the Kaiser, like many of his relatives.

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It was unfortunare Empress Alexandra could not stand Wilhelm II.   
At one point Wilhelm liked her sister Princess Elisabeth of Hesse and by Rhine.


Curryong

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on October 16, 2023, 11:14:50 PM
It was unfortunare Empress Alexandra could not stand Wilhelm II.   
At one point Wilhelm liked her sister Princess Elisabeth of Hesse and by Rhine.

He might have fancied her but I don?t think she was that keen on him. He used to visit Hesse Darmstadt when he and all the sisters and Ernie their brother were children and order them to play games he devised. When the bossy little twerp wanted to stop whatever game then they would have to sit and listen to him read. Ella quite liked the Russian Grand Duke Serge from the time she was quite young (his mother Marie was Tsarina and the wife of Alexander the Liberator and she would regularly visit her old family home as she had been a Hessian Princess.



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The Story of The Red Archduchess   
She is Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria, the daughter of Crown Prince Rudolph of Austria.   
Archduchess Elisabeth: The Only Daughter of Crown Prince Rudolf - YouTube


Curryong

And a very sad story really. Hard times. No successful relationship or children and a suicide at the end. I think she inherited an unstable temperament and depressive tendencies from her father and possibly her paternal grandmother as well.