25 years after Diana,Princess of Wales died

sara8150 · October 14, 2022, 06:06:23 PM

Quote from: Amabel2 on October 14, 2022, 11:56:56 AM
I was thinking more in terms of what she would be like as a person than her looks. I remember her as a young mother with relatively young children, but I think she was gettig to an age where her boys were maturing (William anyway) and Diana was very volatile and well flakey... She seemed more erratic and unstable in her mid 30s than when she was younger, I think that Will was right to say that she was paranoid and that the Bashir lies had made her even worse and more fragile mentally....I think he was assuming an adult role of trying to soothe and care for her by then....

Agreed

Amabel2 · October 15, 2022, 07:54:26 AM

Its just hard to imagine really. If the boys were starting to date, Diana would be taking a bit of a back seat, and I cant quite imagine her being like that.

Princess Cassandra · October 16, 2022, 03:59:35 PM

Yes, that's why I say there would probably have been a lot of drama. William once said, laughingly, that his mother would have been busy undoing all of the disciplinary work that he and Catherine would have done with their children. So if they got through the dating and marriage stages and arrived at the grandchildren stage she would probably have been another Queen Alexandra. That would have been interesting!

Amabel2 · October 21, 2022, 11:55:19 AM

Frankly I dont think that Will and kate are all that strict as disciplinarians anyway. George is shy and mostly has been well behaved. But Charl and Louis not so much. I just honestly can't imagine Diana settling down though to take a back seat in the papers to her kids having romances. I feel that it would be hard for her unless she did find a partner of her own, for her to see the boys and thier girlfriends being on the front-page socialising and being noticed by the press and public.

Princess Cassandra · October 26, 2022, 06:05:43 PM

Quote from: Amabel2 on October 21, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
Frankly I dont think that Will and kate are all that strict as disciplinarians anyway. George is shy and mostly has been well behaved. But Charl and Louis not so much. I just honestly can't imagine Diana settling down though to take a back seat in the papers to her kids having romances. I feel that it would be hard for her unless she did find a partner of her own, for her to see the boys and thier girlfriends being on the front-page socialising and being noticed by the press and public.

I agree that she would have had a hard time when her sons started seriously dating. It could have gotten extremely complicated and tense, including after they were married.

TLLK · October 27, 2022, 04:12:18 PM

Quote from: Amabel2 on October 21, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
Frankly I dont think that Will and kate are all that strict as disciplinarians anyway. George is shy and mostly has been well behaved. But Charl and Louis not so much. I just honestly can't imagine Diana settling down though to take a back seat in the papers to her kids having romances. I feel that it would be hard for her unless she did find a partner of her own, for her to see the boys and thier girlfriends being on the front-page socialising and being noticed by the press and public.

I get the impression that the William and Catherine's kids are definitely more grounded and less likely to act out than their father and uncle were at around the same age. (By behavior I am looking at ages 6 and up as many under 6's are still learning to self-moderate their behavior and developmentally do not possess the same maturity.) By contrast, William and Harry were sadly dealing with the disintegration of their parents' marriage, a frequent turnover of their nannies and other familiar staff coupled with a pair of parents who were not really working as a team. Both were off to boarding school around the age of 8 or 9 like their parents so they were also being partially raised by the school staff/heads of household.

Amabel2 · October 28, 2022, 10:18:38 AM

Frankly I think that the idea of Diana coming along and spoiling the Cambridge children, is a bit off beam. She might have, but IMO Will and Kate have let all three of their kids act up in public, (George didn't so much but he's perhaps naturally quiet) and IMO, they should probably have been home with Nanny. However, William's misbehaviour at Andrew's wedding didnt look good either.
but to return to Diana, I think it would have been hard fro her to take a bit of a back seat.. she was a beautiful woman, who was used to being on the front pages and for having the papers scour all her men friends to see who might be her boyfriend.. so would she have liked it when there were lists of "girls that Will was dating" etc? would she have been a bit jealous when she saw William living openly with K and being able to see her for years and get to know her well, while she herself had ended up married after such a short courtship.
would she have been jealous when she coudl see that now, William was married and had a woman who was first in his life rather than her?

Princess Cassandra · November 18, 2022, 02:08:40 AM

Yes, I think we agree on that.
Lately I have been thinking about her legacy - it really is wonderful that she has four granchildren! I hope in time there will be a child who resembles her and more than one who has her ability to relate to people.

Amabel2 · November 18, 2022, 08:15:17 AM

She has 5 grandchildren.. and honestly, I think that while Diana was in many ways a lovely person, her temperament made her volatile and often difficult. So Im not sure that its a good idea to wish that one of her grandchildren resembles her, besides which they are differnet people and have the right be seen as themselves, not as a New Diana.

Amabel2 · November 21, 2022, 04:09:57 PM

|Im surprised that noone seems to have seen the programmes on TV about Diana, 25 years after she died?

TLLK · August 31, 2023, 04:11:40 PM

Today marks 26 years since Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in a car crash in Paris.

26 years later: A look back on the day the people lost ?their princess? ? Royal Central

Amabel2 · August 31, 2023, 05:02:37 PM

I wonder if there are any programmes about her on TV here.

Curryong · August 31, 2023, 07:41:06 PM

People on radio here in Aus mentioned Diana in the morning. There was a short snippet on the 6pm TV news.

I think there was a very new documentary made this year, called ?Diana?s Last Love? about the Dodi romance. It?s on YouTube. The buggy was the 25 years last year. That doesn?t mean people don?t think about Diana, on SM and other places on the anniversaries.

Amabel2 · September 01, 2023, 08:19:37 AM

Quote from: Curryong on August 31, 2023, 07:41:06 PM
People on radio here in Aus mentioned Diana in the morning. There was a short snippet on the 6pm TV news.

I think there was a very new documentary made this year, called ?Diana?s Last Love? about the Dodi romance. It?s on YouTube. The buggy was the 25 years last year. That doesn?t mean people don?t think about Diana, on SM and other places on the anniversaries.

there were soem programmes about her last year on TV, but noone seemed inerested here in discussing them

Nightowl · September 01, 2023, 09:16:45 PM

Well here so far in the US where I live PBS has quite a few om Diana and the Spencer's. I recorded all of them for late night watching. I think the one on the Spencer's will be interesting to watch.

Curryong · September 01, 2023, 11:46:21 PM

More tapes of Diana talking about Charles and her marriage have emerged and will be aired on US TV. Including apparently, Charles?s disappointment at Harry not being a girl, and his estrangement at the christening after grandmother Frances Shane Kidd told him off.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/secret-princess-diana-tapes-revealed-audio-recalls-her-trashing-ridiculous-marriage-to-charles/news-story/c0e7748874ebd3936013538d8f7112e8

Nightowl · September 02, 2023, 01:10:14 AM

Both Diana and Charles in many ways were still kids who didn't understand a damn thing about real life, they both made a zillion mistakes together and sadly we will never know how things would have affected Diana yet I hope Charles has learned something about how to treat people with respect and stop being an as*.

Amabel2 · September 02, 2023, 09:38:11 AM

Quote from: Curryong on September 01, 2023, 11:46:21 PM
More tapes of Diana talking about Charles and her marriage have emerged and will be aired on US TV. Including apparently, Charles?s disappointment at Harry not being a girl, and his estrangement at the christening after grandmother Frances Shane Kidd told him off.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/secret-princess-diana-tapes-revealed-audio-recalls-her-trashing-ridiculous-marriage-to-charles/news-story/c0e7748874ebd3936013538d8f7112e8

Nothing very new about that.

wannable · September 02, 2023, 01:56:19 PM

They are lucky at that time there was no social media. I think she wouldn't be seen as a victim, her words would be picked apart and challenged.

wannable · September 02, 2023, 10:13:14 PM

Talking about scandal, with today's social media, Diana as every public figure would be ''monitored'' there every word and move. People to date discuss a Diana quote and it wouldn't and doesn't hold as it did until approx. 10 years ago where ''instant flash news and 'live social media discussions with voice video data wherever you are in the world takes place started, that means around 2013 onward.

wannable · September 02, 2023, 10:21:23 PM

BALMORAL, talking about gatherings, family joint and group events. You read this line in the 90's poor thing. You read this line in 2023 and LOL about a family gathering holiday which is yearly and think mental health problems like instantly.

Ms Junor writes in her book: ''She hated the countryside, hated his family's passion for horses and dogs, hated the rain that poured down remorselessly; and she felt that her husband was avoiding intimate contact.''

Curryong · September 02, 2023, 10:28:56 PM

Quote from: wannable on September 02, 2023, 10:21:23 PM
BALMORAL, talking about gatherings, family joint and group events. You read this line in the 90's poor thing. You read this line in 2023 and LOL about a family gathering holiday which is yearly and think mental health problems like instantly.

Ms Junor writes in her book: ''She hated the countryside, hated his family's passion for horses and dogs, hated the rain that poured down remorselessly; and she felt that her husband was avoiding intimate contact.''

In which case she was probably right. Charles palmed her off on to his Sec and aides on several occasions. I wouldn?t want holidays each year in the wet Highlands myself, nor dinner and teatime conversations dominated by how many stags had been stalked, their weight and number of antlers, and how many birds had been slaughtered on the shoots.

wannable · September 02, 2023, 10:32:12 PM

Seeing it today vs 10 years ago before instant flash live discussions with varied opinions from royal watchers and experts too that interact with one, I'd say she created most of the drama, soap opera, unpopular opinion - very likely made up stories too in her mind, woke speaking her subjective truth. Her son H seems to emulate that too. :unsure:

Curryong · September 02, 2023, 10:40:55 PM

Diana wasnt making up stories in her head about Camilla. She was very much there, looming over the marriage. Nor about Charles?s contemptuous attitude towards her, his wife.

If there was SM in the 1980s and ?90s as there is today, don?t be too certain that Diana wouldn?t have millions of defenders and Charles and Camilla would come out smelling of roses. Those of us who remember Diana also remember the way she conducted royal engagements, was interested in people, asked them questions about their lives, exchanged jokes with them. Directly opposite to how the Queen, Charles, Anne and the rest of them conducted themselves with the public.

And Camilla and Charles are none too popular today, partly because of the treatment of Diana. And that is in 2023 in the SM age.

wannable · September 02, 2023, 11:06:17 PM

My POV changed with this interaction I have now compared to 10 years ago.

There are historians that for example have youtube channels that are so prepared, they literally open ''all the books'' with a same or similar passage of an event about i.e. Diana, then explain the ''difference'' minimal or a gap, and who of these authors were 'helped' by who in reference to ''a passage'', more explanation of the higher probability who got it right. This didn't exist 10 years ago, so there is so much to discuss or so much to learn or so much to listen and mull over.

So prepared* these historian youtubers actually show the books, read outloud the passage from 'each of the multiple authors' then explain each author's Diana passage, then explain how and who each author got it/the info from, so interesting, truly fascinating stuff.