Mot sure of this so here goes, I just really really hope that the Sussex's somehow get over their anger and hate of the BRF and move on to something positive for themselves. Isn't 3 years of this tiresome for them and all of us royal watchers around the world? Do something new and wonderful for yourselves and make your children proud of you for a change instead of all the ugliness and drama.
Charles should guide Harry and help him determine what's next for his family. They seem cast out to sea without the support of the BRF institution.
How can a person guide a family member who has betrayed them amd lied about them? Trust has been broken and fear of amy conversation with Harry could result it being played in Netflix or on an interview with some reporter or im a new book? I am of the firm belief that adult children must learn to grow up and suffer their own consequences of their decisions.
Besides how can Charles guide Harry when Harry won't listen to him or anyone except his wife? Harry wants what Harry wants period, he has shown that.
Yet their being cast out to sea is *their choice*, nobody threw them out of the royal family or Firm, it is all their choice and decisions.
Nightowl, I am a parent, and I've seen family reconciliation occur under conditions that are much, much, much worse than those you describe about Harry. I know a parent's heart, and it is not normal for parents to fully dispose of their children. A parent's love is very, very strong. This family will be reunited at some point in the future. Harry will return, and all will be well. That's my belief.
Let's agree to disagree! :flower:
I agree with you mostly, yet it has to come from Harry as he is the one that has been attacking his family and the family has stayed quiet and have not attacked him, Harry has to grow up and learn from his mistakes and the one thing is that TRUST has been broken totally and once that is broken it is damn hard to repair. As my sister once said to me, *Trust is gained in drops of love and lost in buckets of anger* how very true that is. As a parent also, and an aunt, and cousin to someone in my family, there was years of broken trust given again and again and again till there was nothing left to give anymore...decades and decades of helping someone who did so much damage to my family, to my church and to my friends till the point of no return and then when told NO finally, that person hit bottom and did not survive, left many broken hearts wondering what did we miss in helping this person, a very intelligent, beautiful and sneaky person who just refused to accept the consequences of their actions...I see so much of that in Harry wanting what Harry wants when Harry wants it now.... to me, Harry is a weak insecure little man child playing at being a grownup getting what he wants when he wants something....the world does not work that way for anyone...we all have to face ourselves and our decisions in life..running away won't work for anyone. Meghan will survive anything thrown at her, she is one very tough woman while Harry is the opposite..
Thank you for this.... :flower:
Nightowl,
Okay, so you are also a parent and know a family member who tested the family's love for many years, it sounds like a very difficult experience.
Quote from: Nightowl on May 25, 2023, 10:04:20 PM
I see so much of that in Harry wanting what Harry wants when Harry wants it now.... to me, Harry is a weak insecure little man-child playing at being a grownup getting what he wants when he wants something....the world does not work that way for anyone...we all have to face ourselves, and our decisions in life..running away won't work for anyone. Meghan will survive anything thrown at her, she is one very tough woman while Harry is the opposite..
Thank you for this.... :flower:
I see this side of Harry as well. However, I also see the BRF's role in creating Harry, Charles III included. And the multiple tragedies he faced as a very young child, and perhaps he was not cared for properly, psychologically, and emotionally after his mother's death. Few children would be whole or healthy after what Harry experienced in childhood.
Once Harry matures, I think there is a road to reconciliation with his father, the King, and that it will probably happen sooner than later.
I watched a video about Juan Carlos, the former King of Spain, and I think some form of estrangement with his father was repaired in the end. Also complicated by the mysterious death of Juan Carlo's younger brother as a child. We can see the impact this had on him. I have to look into it.
Certainly the death of infante Alfonso as a result of his own actions had a profound effect upon Juan Carlos for the rest on his life. There?s a lesson there to be learned about messing about with loaded guns, whatever age you are. I think JC is still haunted by it. His own mother never got over it.
My own mother died from cancer when I was eleven. It made a tremendous impact on my life.
Quote from: Blue Clover on May 26, 2023, 02:52:37 AM
Nightowl,
Okay, so you are also a parent and know a family member who tested the family's love for many years, it sounds like a very difficult experience.
I see this side of Harry as well. However, I also see the BRF's role in creating Harry, Charles III included. And the multiple tragedies he faced as a very young child, and perhaps he was not cared for properly, psychologically, and emotionally after his mother's death. Few children would be whole or healthy after what Harry experienced in childhood.
Once Harry matures, I think there is a road to reconciliation with his father, the King, and that it will probably happen sooner than later.
I watched a video about Juan Carlos, the former King of Spain, and I think some form of estrangement with his father was repaired in the end. Also complicated by the mysterious death of Juan Carlo's younger brother as a child. We can see the impact this had on him. I have to look into it.
You mentioned im your earlier comment to me about a *parent's love being very strong*, yet some people are or should not be parent's to amy child ever. I personally know of a mother and a father who abandoned, abused and dumped their child and that child survived hell on earth somehow from a small child to an adult amd is a decent human being today all on her own, She knows right from wrong and even fights with God at times and that is okay with him and her, she is someone I am proud of.
I agree with you about Harry's childhood, I don't hate Harry or Megham, I just really don't like them for I see them as selfish and greedy, amd the way they treated HM and Prince Philip in the last years of their lives was despicable . What I think was missing during Harry's childhood was love and discipline, it seems he just did whatever he wanted to do regardless of what it was, like what Harry wants, Harry gets just to keep him quiet amd as we are busy now type of people. Sure he had all the material things money could buy yet hugs and telling him he is loved is just as if not more important. And his jealousy of William is am issue even today........I always liked Harry until the dark side of him came into play, that side is deadly and scary!
And what Catherine is doing with *early childhood development* is so desperately needed for small children today...I so applaud that. That is positive thinking and I so wish someone would do that here im America.
Thank you Blue Clover for the conversation....learning from all sides of an issue is so worthwhile to me.
It helps me reaffirm my beliefs.
Quote from: Curryong on May 26, 2023, 03:22:45 AM
Certainly the death of infante Alfonso as a result of his own actions had a profound effect upon Juan Carlos for the rest on his life. There?s a lesson there to be learned about messing about with loaded guns, whatever age you are. I think JC is still haunted by it. His own mother never got over it.
My own mother died from cancer when I was eleven. It made a tremendous impact on my life.
I don't know much about Alfonso or the Spanish royals of today yet I do understand about about loaded guns as my cousin was killed while cleaning his gun and he knew better as he was an FBI agent. His mom, my cousin Terry to this day has never gotten over it.
I am sorry for the loss of your mother at such a very young age, amd yes, it can and does affect our lives every day. I cherish grandparents amd each day of my life as I know all to well that life is the most precious gift given to us.
Harry and Meghan are both estranged with their families, except Doria, her usefulness in Netfilix lifting the race card. IF they ever make peace with the rich family first rather than the low middleclass family, there WILL BE the perception of money before blood. Because the couple are damaged goods.
IF there weren't damage (to make moneys, they trashed the rich family, damaging themselves), the order wouldn't matter. At this point in time, they damaged Harry's rich family to make moneys, the poor relations won't get them the bacon.
And apparently their future lies in making a movie of their time in the palace. They are trapped with Netflix, they are in this situation of Do this or else no money. If it happens, then Neil Sean was right with the Netflix ordered them to do more of trash and junk (as I mentioned in the Sussex defunct board). The rumors are attack Charles and Kate.
^The way I see it is that Harry/Meghan jumped from one skillet into a fire, a much bigger more demanding fire as Netflix is. If there is another movie, TV series.....like the 1st one, that will be the end of Harry/Meghan for sure im the royal family. They just can't keep doing the same thing over and and over again, if their goal was to make money, they certainly achieved that yet what is their end goal here? I don't believe this is what Megham had in mind when she married Harry.....this is a stressful way to live a person's life I would think, always thinking of making a dollar, always looking over your shoulder if anyone is around even in area where they live. I hope they realize that and make different plans to do something positive for themselves and the children.
Back to the Future, the US Political reporter for Daily Mail making claims from the recent past.
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Harry and Meghan asked to fly to US on Air Force One with Biden after Queen's funeral but were denied - and Jill didn't attend Invictus Games to avoid upsetting Royals ? so are Sussexes' attempts to become political players in America faltering?
Harry and Meghan have tried a variety of methods to gain access to political figures, including sending gifts and letter writing
The couple requested a ride back to the US on Air Force One after Queen Elizabeth's funeral in September but Biden's staff said no
Jill Biden's wish to attend Harry's Invictus Games was nixed when British officials suggested it may not go down well with the Royal Family By EMILY GOODIN, SENIOR
U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 20:05 BST, 19 July 2023 | UPDATED: 20:37 BST, 19 July 2023
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle wanted to ride back to the United States on Air Force One after the Queen's funeral ? but the request was denied by the White House in case it caused a 'commotion,' sources have revealed to DailyMail.com.
Months earlier, First Lady Jill Biden was also invited to attend Harry's Invictus Games ? but the idea was killed amid concerns that the Royal Family may have been offended by her presence there.
Both the failed initiatives are understood to have been part of a campaign by the Sussexes to gain political influence in the US as they settled into life in California. Meghan publicly advocated for paid family leave to lawmakers on Capitol Hill, and worked behind the scenes to connect with the Bidens, DailyMail.com discovered from speaking to many current and former officials in the Biden administration and in the British government.
Harry and Meghan asked to fly to US on Air Force One with Biden after Queen's funeral but were denied - and Jill didn't attend Invictus Games to avoid (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12311475/Harry-Meghan-asked-fly-Air-Force-One-Biden-Queens-funeral-denied-Jill-didnt-attend-Invictus-Games-avoid-upsetting-Royals-Sussexes-attempts-political-players-America-faltering.html)
Everyone loves a happy ending. If the BRF and the Sussexes could find a way to reconcile, I think many people would be happy for them. But I am not so convinced it will happen, at least not what I would call a full reconciliation where there is trust again and people are close and loving. Could there be a type of reconciliation-a truce with no further attacks, and occasional visits? Yes, I think that is possible, just maybe. But I for one would consider that more of an uneasy truce than a relationship involving forgiveness, trust, and understanding.
For one thing, reconciliation would have to begin with Harry and Meghan. So far I have seen no sign at all that either of them ever accepts any accountability for their actions. If there is a problem, there is always someone else to blame--the BRF, the staff, the press. I have not seen them ever accept any responsibility for their words and actions. They have a bad habit of making half-truthful, misleading, and sometimes outright false statements against others. That would need to change in a big way.
And as others have said, broken trust is very difficult, if not impossible, to regain. The person who broke the trust has to work very hard to show that they have changed, and prove it again and again over a long period of time. Still that may not always be enough. Sometimes the person who was betrayed just can't bring themselves to trust again and I can't blame them for that.
Yes, Charles is a parent and I'm sure there is always a part of him that will always love Harry. But love can be complex, and sometimes you can love someone, but still need to maintain some kind of emotional distance from them. I'm also not so sure that William, Catherine, Camilla, and the rest of the family is willing to accept a reconciliation even if Charles is.
As for maturing, Meghan is what? 41? Harry is almost 39. If they haven't matured by now, are they going to?
The above is, of course, my own opinion and some others may disagree. That's okay, but I do think there's plenty of evidence over the past few years to support my opinion.
Absolutely - I do think William will reconcile with Harry. IMO the conditions IF it ever happens, H will remain exiled, life imitating art, Duke and Duchess of Windsor - backdoor visits to HMQEII, backdoor visits to King William. The thing is Charles, whatever he decides to do - he has to consult William, reach an agreement, because W will inherit whatever problems his dad leaves him when Charles passes away. He can't just wish it away.
^ The above article from the DM, the White House staff speaking out USING the Sussexes as collateral damage distraction to Joe's latest forgetfullness (fell asleep at the Oval office with guests in the room), quite sad, considering the couple didn't trash the Biden's, but now the Biden's staff are trashing the couple.
In reference to the alleged Sussex purchase of Meet me at the Lake, NY Post and other US based media have confirmed that the purchase was actually done by Netflix - giving the Sussexes as #1 chance of producing the film for the remaining moneys, contract.
According to Neil Sean, the deal is Netflix purchased, if the Sussexes are able to produce it, the earnings (remaining contract) will be split between Netflix/Sussexes rather than full remaining for the Sussexes. If they can't produce it, Netflix already has #2 and #3 producers that will do it.
Neil Sean feels Netflix has stitched up the Sussexes/put against the wall with this last option until the contract is done 2025. He said WME and the author knew about the 1, 2 and 3 production options.
^The stress of being producers with no real CV experience must be a lot of pressure.
Neil Sean says a lot of things, none of them at all favourable to the Sussexes or even nice about their children. And much of the gossip he picks up (from Page 6 and other sources) proves to be untrue later on, including pure speculation of his own every day of his life about people (ie the Sussexes) being stitched up, snubbed, humiliated etc etc etc, delivered with a smirk. He?s not there in the Netflix boardroom, nor at Balmoral, KP, BP, Montecito living quarters or anywhere else that matters. He?s just a tiresome little man delivering gossip (often inaccurate/untrue) for a living.
Maybe, but when Hollywood is also whispering the same/similar news, it's hard to ignore it.
The only thing I know is when one is not CV experienced in an area the stress and pressure is huge. Luckily they have two years and 4 months to make it.
Er, as reported by the media. I?d be surprised if ?Hollywood? is ?whispering? about anything apart from the strike by writers and actors, which has meant many cancelled and postponed projects.
This project is Canadian. The protagonists live in Toronto.
Netflix has hundreds of films from all continents - countries within. I have watched good to great films and series from Asia to Eastern Europe to Middle Eastern productions, including Australia.
Quote from: wannable on August 13, 2023, 03:23:11 AM
This project is Canadian. The protagonists live in Toronto.
Netflix has hundreds of films from all continents - countries within. I have watched good to great films and series from Asia to Eastern Europe to Middle Eastern productions, including Australia.
Well you were the one who posted that Hollywood was whispering about the Netflix/Sussex project, and I answered that I don?t believe they are as Hollywood has other things to worry about at the moment. I know that the book is by a Canadian author. However, whether the project is Canadian, Mongolian, Swiss, Swedish or English is neither here nor there. If the book translates well into film it will do well if it doesn?t it won?t.
And I too have watched films from all over the world and not just from Netflix. I used to go watch French, Italian and German films in particular at a time when the only place you could see foreign films of any sort in English speaking countries was at an art house cinema. And Aus SBS channel here shows excellent films from all continents regularly.
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After months of tension between King Charles and his son Prince Harry, there now seems to be hope of a reconciliation on the horizon with talks ongoing between the Sussexes and Buckingham Palace to broker peace between father and son.
According to a well-placed source, Prince Harry is due to fly back to California via London at the conclusion of this year?s Invictus Games trip to Germany next month, with talks likely to take place between the pair on September 17.
Harry and Charles 'set date for peace talks - but Meghan will stay home' - OK! Magazine (https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/harry-charles-set-date-peace-30736214)
I am very happy to hear about the peace talks between Prince Harry and Charles. After all, they are father and son. Conflict is a part of being in a family. What's most important is healing the rifts and conflicts eventually.
Exact date King Charles and Prince Harry will 'meet for peace talks' is set, claims source - but it's 'highly unlikely' Meghan Markle will be there | (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12425667/Exact-date-King-Charles-Prince-Harry-meet-peace-talks-set-claims-source-highly-unlikely-Meghan-Markle-there.html)
King Charles' rift with Prince Harry 'humanises him' because it 'mirrors what happens in a lot of families' and he is 'reassured' by the public (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12426311/King-Charles-rift-Prince-Harry-humanises-mirrors-happens-lot-families-reassured-public-support-royal-insider-claims.html)
IF this is true, and I won?t believe it until it?s over and been confirmed, then it?s a hopeful development in Charles and Harry?s fractured relationship. Nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: Blue Clover on August 20, 2023, 04:30:50 PM
I am very happy to hear about the peace talks between Prince Harry and Charles. After all, they are father and son. Conflict is a part of being in a family. What's most important is healing the rifts and conflicts eventually.
I am hopeful that father and son will be able to meet and begin to reconnect and rebuild their relationship.
IMO Harry leaked this news and is the one asking a meeting 17th.
Honestly, as long as father and son have a meaningful and productive encounter, I don't care how the information was shared.
Really, would someone please tell me just how do you think you can trust Harry or Meghan with any thing again for it might just end up in a new book, on an interview or a TV reality show? If this is true and I seriously doubt it, this could be a ploy to get back to the Firm or a big fat paycheck the way Meghan spends money on clothes, remember that $5,000 dress for the Oprah interview? $5,000 for a darn dress, ridiculous... TRUST has been broken and bridges burnt!
^As I said IMO he leaked/requested a meeting, BUT he is so volatile and because of what he has done, it comes with 'conditions' by the BRF, Charles - in this case so the meeting can go ahead, he will end up not going.
To expany 'my view' on this, the couple are under huge pressure career wise/both, they are dependant on bosses who are the power (the only power the couple have at this point is to say NO but will lose access to the money), I'm including WME telling both to have good relations, minimum with the BRF - to fix it. I am 99.9% sure all their bosses told them at this point they need the ''real'' connection, fix it or else - not just having the title will do.
Quote from: Nightowl on August 21, 2023, 05:15:25 AM
Really, would someone please tell me just how do you think you can trust Harry or Meghan with any thing again for it might just end up in a new book, on an interview or a TV reality show? If this is true and I seriously doubt it, this could be a ploy to get back to the Firm or a big fat paycheck the way Meghan spends money on clothes, remember that $5,000 dress for the Oprah interview? $5,000 for a darn dress, ridiculous... TRUST has been broken and bridges burnt!
@Nightowl-I am an optimist so I tend to believe that if this father and son meeting is going to occur and that is a positive step. Trust can be rebuilt and fires can be put out. Yes it will take time but if both parties are willing to spend time together, than that's good.
I dont think that Charles will ever trust Harry again, unless H breaks with Meghan. Even then, I think he went too far in his attacks on his family to allow Charles or Will ever to get over the quarrels.
^ Harry has also broken 'trust' since Megxit at 3 meeting occasions with C and W and combined CW. The three previous 'secret' meetings ended in the public; interview, book, ran to Gayle King.
Source: Tom Sykes, The Daily Beast
^ The Daily Beast published the question article about will there be a meeting (20 hours ago) and today published 'too soon' and stated basically the above. Verdict: Tom doesn't think this ''new'' meeting will happen. The Daily Beast for those who don't know have a members only section for deep dives - what I've noticed is that 'some' of the deep dives end up months to a year later in the free article section in order to 'explain' their findings. TS details the 3 previous secret meetings that H broke or sold away.
The couple just can't help themselves to spill lies, half truths mixed with their own imagination (fantasy), twist it like a soap opera, which ends up in a narrative that they are victims (again).
I prefer to wait and see if this proposed meeting between Charles and Harry comes to pass before commenting on it. I don?t believe 99% of what is published in the British media and haven?t for over three years. They ALL have an agenda, and that includes journalistic blogs like the The Daily Beast/ Tom Sykes, and religiously sing from the same Palace hymn sheet regarding the Sussexes.
Imo IF the supposed meeting comes to pass that will hopefully be a good development. If it doesn?t then the report may well be another untruth made up by media sources. It?s useless to speculate until after the proposed date, in my view. And please remember it is in the Press?s interest to stir the pot with ref to troubles in the RF. It is so much more interesting and very good for clickbait to report on ?freezing out?, ?ignoring one another? and ?ongoing feuds? than it is to report on any hopes of peace all round.
As it is, no reporter or commentator on this earth really knows what goes on in relationships within the RF. They are absent from the most private discussions between members and are only able to speculate on a minute part of what goes on behind closed doors, when they are offered a crumb or two by lackeys at the Palace.
Quote from: Curryong on August 21, 2023, 10:44:09 PM
I prefer to wait and see if this proposed meeting between Charles and Harry comes to pass before commenting on it. I don?t believe 99% of what is published in the British media and haven?t for over three years. They ALL have an agenda, and that includes journalistic blogs like the The Daily Beast/ Tom Sykes, and religiously sing from the same Palace hymn sheet regarding the Sussexes.
Imo IF the supposed meeting comes to pass that will hopefully be a good development. If it doesn?t then the report may well be another untruth made up by media sources. It?s useless to speculate until after the proposed date, in my view. And please remember it is in the Press?s interest to stir the pot with ref to troubles in the RF. It is so much more interesting and very good for clickbait to report on ?freezing out?, ?ignoring one another? and ?ongoing feuds? than it is to report on any hopes of peace all round.
As it is, no reporter or commentator on this earth really knows what goes on in relationships within the RF. They are absent from the most private discussions between members and are only able to speculate on a minute part of what goes on behind closed doors, when they are offered a crumb or two by lackeys at the Palace.
That is true
@Curryong and it should be noted that on rare occasions we hear from the royals themselves too.
IMHO....it is Way too late , he can't retract what they have both said worldwide. There isn't any trust mow left in the royal family to ever let Harry/Meghan back in. Maybe a phone call once in a while, a holiday card or gift to children yet *no* appearances at royal events with family, absolutely no talking about what is happening within the royal family........Harry is done for as is his wife who thought she could just come in and do as she pleased, change a family and a country's heritage that is over 1200 years old.....so full of her own importance!
Just look where their very own actions/behavior have gotten them today.....if they thought that the Firm was tough and they could do better on their own, well those Netflix bosses and whomever else they do business with are harder to deal with then they realized.
Quote from: TLLK on August 21, 2023, 01:50:52 PM
@Nightowl-I am an optimist so I tend to believe that if this father and son meeting is going to occur and that is a positive step. Trust can be rebuilt and fires can be put out. Yes it will take time but if both parties are willing to spend time together, than that's good.
Sometimes a family member can do so much damage within the family by telling family issues that can and also do irreparable damage that there is no turning back to what was. I think that Charles as the father has some guilt over Diana and how it affected their sons so he could be coming from that place with Harry as he seems to have more issues than William. Harry knows his dad totally and could use those issues to manipulate his dad also. William is tough, he knows who he is and what he has to do for his life, he reminds me of Anne who suffers no fools as I see her as one tough lady. He won't ever forget or forgive Harry for the way he hurt his family first then him. William's family comes first in his life totally. Professional therapy does wonders!
Harry is totally lost and has absolutely no understanding of what his actions/behavior has done mot just to his royal family but himself. It won't be a pretty picture when it hits him either.
Quote from: Nightowl on August 22, 2023, 05:39:14 AM
Sometimes a family member can do so much damage within the family by telling family issues that can and also do irreparable damage that there is no turning back to what was. I think that Charles as the father has some guilt over Diana and how it affected their sons so he could be coming from that place with Harry as he seems to have more issues than William. Harry knows his dad totally and could use those issues to manipulate his dad also. William is tough, he knows who he is and what he has to do for his life, he reminds me of Anne who suffers no fools as I see her as one tough lady. He won't ever forget or forgive Harry for the way he hurt his family first then him. William's family comes first in his life totally. Professional therapy does wonders!
Harry is totally lost and has absolutely no understanding of what his actions/behavior has done mot just to his royal family but himself. It won't be a pretty picture when it hits him either.
:goodpost: It's hard to forgive someone who is not remorseful. It may be that there is some blame on both sides for things going sour, but from everything I've heard, I think the far greater portion of blame lies with the Sussexes. It's no secret that I think they are both insecure, arrogant, jealous, and vindictive. But worst of all is the betrayal, the trashing the family to the world with misleading statements and lies, for money. Even if I could forgive them, I could never trust them. They are not trustworthy, imo, so the relationship would always be distant.
But we will just have to wait and see how things develop. Honestly, I'm not convinced these peace talks are a genuine thing, as opposed to media clickbait. But we'll see.
Today on the front cover of Globe In regards to Prince Harry and Meghan A Baby to Save the Marriage.
Why does their marriage need to be saved?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 23, 2023, 09:44:13 PM
Today on the front cover of Globe In regards to Prince Harry and Meghan A Baby to Save the Marriage.
Why does their marriage need to be saved?
It doesn?t. And the Globe is one of those trashy newspapers that specialise in rubbishy stories they make up.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 23, 2023, 09:44:13 PM
Today on the front cover of Globe In regards to Prince Harry and Meghan A Baby to Save the Marriage.
Why does their marriage need to be saved?
Like
@Curryong, I suspect that this story is pure speculation from an unreliable source.
King Charles has 'no time in the diary' to see Prince Harry when he returns to the UK - while Prince William hasn't spoken to his brother 'in months' (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12473533/King-Charles-no-time-Prince-Harry-Prince-William.html)
King Charles has ?no time? to see Harry when Duke returns to UK ahead of Invictus Games | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1808732/King-Charles-see-Prince-Harry)
King 'will forgive' Prince Harry for 'most things' but no hope for peace | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1808456/King-Charles-III-forgive-Prince-Harry-attack-Prince-William-peace)
Princess Kate 'urging' King to invite Harry for talks with William | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1808508/princess-kate-prince-william-prince-harry-king-charles-talks)
Prince Harry set for family snub on UK return with Charles having 'no time' to see son - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-harry-set-family-snub-30849327)
I see the Express is excelling itself in its anti-Sussex rubbish once more. There?s been no sign that Harry has wished to see his father, has asked about seeing his father or made an appointment to see his father. He?s in Europe for WellChild and then the IG, nothing else. So how can you snub someone who hasn?t asked to see you? Answer. You Can?t!
And as usual the Express is contradicting itself. On the one hand in one article, William is angry and bitter about a book that came out nine months ago, in another article his supportive wife Kate is urging her father in law to see Harry to make up with him. So which is it? Neither, as again it?s tabloid journalists scratching around making up stories simply for clickbait! As they always do!
The so called peace talks before HMKCIII upcoming trip to France came from H camp. ETA: This two week old H camp story is being rebuffed today, it took pretty roughly those two weeks for RR's to get a reply from BP/KP. I knew it already yesterday due to the multiple whispers that no peace talks, Charles is reluctant, W just won't at this time, probably and very likely take many years. H is too mentally ill, the cure is not magical, it takes years if ever!
Basically H is happy one day, the next who knows? Cruel, might and very likely turn on the person and blurt out whatever to hurt, embarrass and in that process by hurting/hurting himself too. Toxic. Just a generalized explanation of what my Fleet Street friend told me yesterday. It must be more deep and stressful than that of what the BRF know.
I'm giving this a side eye, but this wouldn't be the first time a former actor has been elected or appointed to a high office in California.
Reportedly Meghan has had a conversation with Governor Gavin Newsome to hopefully be appointed to the Senate seat once held by the late Sen. Diane Feinstein. The California Governor has pledged to fill the vacancy with an African American woman.
It is typical for a state's governor to appoint a successor to a vacant seat in Congress if the former occupant is unable to continue their term ie: death, election to a higher office etc..
MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/meghan-markle-considers-run-for-office-duchess-of-sussex-s-name-is-in-the-frame-to-fill-californian-senator-dianne-feinstein-s-seat-after-senator-died-aged-90-and-could-the-white-house-be-her-ultimate-aim/ar-AA1huEWt#image=1)
QuoteA major Democratic donor who is close to Californian Governor Gavin Newsom - who will choose Feinstein's replacement - told the MoS: 'Meghan is definitely a long-shot but in the craziness that is US politics these days it's not an impossibility. Crazier things have happened.'
Feinstein's death has produced a unique situation where Newsom, 55, California's charismatic Governor who is considered a Presidential frontrunner should anything happen to 80-year-old President Joe Biden, has free reign to pick someone to replace Feinstein until the next election is held in November 2024.
Wasn?t Senator Feinstein the lady in the wheelchair who seemed to be rather muddled about what she was voting for in the Senate a couple of months ago. Much as I honour her long service I?m afraid my view is the less 90yrs plus representatives there are in the Senate the better, so I hope there is a much younger candidate.
As for Meghan I don?t believe this report to be true. She has no coalface experience of running for political office or of being a stop gap replacement . None. If she had been a helper, aide, assistant in a Governor or Senator?s office in past years it might be different. Under the Westminster system ?ordinary? people do stand in elections, though some have experience at a local council level, but it?s twice as hard under the US system where you also need big money to run a campaign. And to be shoe horned into such a position temporarily by some kind of political acquaintance. No, no, no. Get some actual experience of running things at a local level first.
Quote from: Curryong on October 01, 2023, 05:48:55 AM
Wasn?t Senator Feinstein the lady in the wheelchair who seemed to be rather muddled about what she was voting for in the Senate a couple of months ago. Much as I honour her long service I?m afraid my view is the less 90yrs plus representatives there are in the Senate the better, so I hope there is a much younger candidate.
As for Meghan I don?t believe this report to be true. She has no coalface experience of running for political office or of being a stop gap replacement . None. If she had been a helper, aide, assistant in a Governor or Senator?s office in past years it might be different. Under the Westminster system ?ordinary? people do stand in elections, though some have experience at a local council level, but it?s twice as hard under the US system where you also need big money to run a campaign. And to be shoe horned into such a position temporarily by some kind of political acquaintance. No, no, no. Get some actual experience of running things at a local level first.
@Curryong-Here's a brief account of the political assassinations that launched the late Senator's political career. She later unsuccessfully ran for Governor of CA and then was elected as a Senator.
How The Murder Of LGBT Icon Harvey Milk Propelled Dianne Feinstein To Political Fame (https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/09/29/how-the-murder-of-lgbt-icon-harvey-milk-propelled-dianne-feinstein-to-political-fame/?sh=15b25941273d)
I agree that Meghan is an unlikely candidate, but stranger things have happened in CA politics. At times when a member of Congress dies in office, their spouse might be appointed to the position by that state's Governor until the next election cycle.
Anything can happen in California.
Although if the whatever can happen in California happens - big shoes to fill.
Quote from: TLLK on October 01, 2023, 11:54:32 AM
@Curryong-Here's a brief account of the political assassinations that launched the late Senator's political career. She later unsuccessfully ran for Governor of CA and then was elected as a Senator.
How The Murder Of LGBT Icon Harvey Milk Propelled Dianne Feinstein To Political Fame (https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/09/29/how-the-murder-of-lgbt-icon-harvey-milk-propelled-dianne-feinstein-to-political-fame/?sh=15b25941273d)
I agree that Meghan is an unlikely candidate, but stranger things have happened in CA politics. At times when a member of Congress dies in office, their spouse might be appointed to the position by that state's Governor until the next election cycle.
Thanks for this, TLLK. I had no idea that Senator Feinstein?s career was connected to the Harvey Milk assassination, poor man. I remember that quite well. Wasn?t she embroiled in some political scandal much later on? Haven?t Governors of some States died in office and their widowed spouses took over for the rest of their term in the past. I seem to remember reading about one particular case where that happened but I might be mistaken.
@Curryong -You're welcome. I was a teenager when this shocking crime was committed and Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Milk were assassinated by Dan White. White committed suicide a few years after his release from prison. As for scandals she did jeopardize the hunt for serial killer Richard Ramirez by revealing at a press conference several details the crime scene that detectives wanted to be kept quiet at the time. Later she was fined for not reporting campaign contributions and expenditures for her unsuccessful bid for Governor.
Anyhow back to Meghan, she won't be the replacement for Feinstein as Gov. Newsome has announced the successor today.
Gov. Gavin Newsom picks Laphonza Butler as Feinstein?s Senate replacement ? Daily Breeze (https://www.dailybreeze.com/2023/10/01/newsom-picks-laphonza-butler-as-feinstein-replacement-2/)
Laphonza Butler will be covering the temporary Senator for California for 13 months, November 2024 there will be general elections.
In 37 states, the governor makes an appointment to fill a U.S. Senate vacancy, and the appointee serves until the next regularly scheduled statewide general election. The person elected in that election serves for the remainder of the unexpired term.
California
If the vacancy occurs more than 148 days before the regular primary, the election is held the following November. If the vacancy occurs within 148 days before the primary, the vacancy election is held at the second November election after the vacancy occurs.
^ Laphonza moved to California 2009, but her heart (registered vote) is in Maryland.
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After several days reading US political unbiased and biased experts from both party inclination's or not, yes there has been a lot of non experienced famous public people entering the political arena, few successful, most unsuccessful. Most of these experts didn't give Meghan Markle a chance, because her (and Harry's) thin skin brand which they themselves made very public is a red flag in politics.
Last out of thread comment:
''Butler is registered to vote in Maryland but will switch her registration to California." That's all it takes? So he *could* have named Michelle Obama.
Gavin Newsom picks Laphonza Butler as Dianne Feinstein replacement - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/01/newsom-senate-pick-butler-00119360)
^ Politico is the highest and best US and international political media outlet, magazine.
Quote from: wannable on October 02, 2023, 12:59:05 PM
After several days reading US political unbiased and biased experts from both party inclination's or not, yes there has been a lot of non experienced famous public people entering the political arena, few successful, most unsuccessful. Most of these experts didn't give Meghan Markle a chance, because her (and Harry's) thin skin brand which they themselves made very public is a red flag in politics.
As the story about Meghan wishing to be considered for Sen. Feinstein?s vacant position appears to have been nothing more than a rumour (and Washington is always full of rumours) I never gave this story any credence any -way. These stories about Meghan wanting to aim for the White House have been around since she and Harry settled in California and came from British media at the time. She herself has never publicly expressed any wish to enter either House nor to be a Governor. She is a politically involved female who enjoys advocating and lobbying it seems to me, nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: wannable on October 02, 2023, 01:04:47 PM
Last out of thread comment:
''Butler is registered to vote in Maryland but will switch her registration to California." That's all it takes? So he *could* have named Michelle Obama.
Gavin Newsom picks Laphonza Butler as Dianne Feinstein replacement - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/01/newsom-senate-pick-butler-00119360)
^ Politico is the highest and best US and international political media outlet, magazine.
I don?t know about Politico being ?the best?. As it?s centre leaning and a little to the Left I don?t think that many hard right Republicans would agree with that assessment. And its writers have been accused of anti Semitism in articles on a couple of occasions in the past. However it is certainly quite moderate in its editorial stance for the most part.
She dipped herself into several USA political issues factually. She never followed up, fact. She was given two phone numbers by a Democratic senator of two Republican senators, that was a test, which Meghan failed, she didn't follow up. The two Republican senators; 1 received her call - hello hello hello, M stayed silent on the phone, like a teenager, hanged up. The other waited for the call, she didn't receive one, so she called Meghan, who didn't answer the phone. These two Republican senators were willing to discuss with Meghan - Susan Collins and Shelley Moore Capito - to lobby for paid parental leave.
Blaiming the ''British media'' won't fly, because Meghan herself has made her bandwagon move of one, she has no discipline to carry out a short/mid/long term political projects. The above was a huge lifetime opportunity. She would have had a chance according to several dems/reps IF IF IF she had followed through. It would have been considered despite the thin skin bad track she has.
She also appeared in a video add to vote for Biden. Vote Democratic.
Are you stating that only the US media can report about her and not the BM? She still carries and uses the Duchess of Sussex.
US political experts: She is thin skinned, she doesn't stick to projects - it's a whim. BLM, Abortion, Parental paid leave. Thus this one offs are called by these ''political experts'' as one off dipping themselves to see IF they have ''influence'', the job of a Influencer. She does not have it, the latest 'let's see if I have the influencer power is her Instagram account. Her agent Ari notified the media, the media made an article with her Instagram handle, based on the article - a powerful influencer will immediately get from 50 followers to at least 1 million, she got 150,000. Her last chance as an influencer may happen when she writes a Instagram comment - it would have to be a big and positive comment accompanied by a short video or several pictures to get people following her or a scandal about herself and Harry, no third parties involved - they already did that, hence these experts have said unreliable to work with, too many people have spoken about it. That last chance is dependant on her being 'positive'or a me and my husband scandal.
In my previous post I pointed out that it was the British media that pretty well as soon as it was known that the couple were going to California started a lot of lying articles (in British tabloids) that Meghan had her eye on the White House. The US media at that point weren?t saying anything of that sort. This was before Oprah, before documentaries, before anything. They had left Canada, where living in the LA house.
There is an election coming up in 2024, and I believe that Meghan will speak out again about getting people out to vote, and any issues she feels important in the forthcoming debates. She did it last time, will do it this. I said a lobbyist, an advocate, not at influencer. Not in that sense anyway, a Tig Mark II may be on the cards but that will be quite different to her political views. Meghan has been a convinced Democrat all her adult life and I believe she quite sincere in urging people to go out and vote.
As I said, I believe she will do it this time as well. And God knows, Trump is enough of a danger to the US political system for EVERY Democrat to get out and vote in 2024. I also believe that abortion, equal pay, and Parental paid leave are cornerstones of Meghan?s belief not just whims. She will almost certainly be out pressing for those (in other words lobbying and advocating for them privately and publicly) in the next 14 months.
And I?d like links to viable news articles about Meghan hanging up the phone etc. and I don?t mean Twitter gossip reported from Washington rumours. There is one heck of a lot of fake news about on the Internet. I?d like some proof positive from news sources I can believe. And the same with unnamed ?political experts?.
You didn't read the feedback of the two Republican senators, during that time the media was doing their job of following up with Meghan and Sunshine Sach PR letter to the Democratic senator, later published in her Archewell website. The two ladies said not in those exact words, but both ladies were waiting and nothing happened. I say you didn't read it because it was posted in the RIF too, the quoted comments.
Good luck waiting for her to fulfill any political project. IF she does fulfill one it will be like the 12 episodes it took her in 2.5 years. My gosh the belief you have for her is quite a thing. I doubt she will, the reason behind it is one needs to study and read all the FAQ's that can be thrown to her in any of the subjects she has done the one off. Be prepared - it's literally like self study/learning it 100 - acing it without a diploma. I suspect she wouldn't be able to handle a serious discusion with those two senators that would have asked her the mathematical parts if implemented. She can't just say Influencer sound bites to a possible potential government expenditure. In all honesty, she should thank her blessing she didn't speak to them, the quotes would have been worse with the Q&A. Preferibly the facts of what happened, meaning nothing happened. She was probably testing one of the phone numbers and couldn't believe the Democratic senator had given her a real phone number. :hehe:
Meghan attended and graduated from a perfectly good US university and is also articulate, so let?s not treat her as some little person who left school at 14 and has done nothing with her life since, shall we?
There has been plenty posted here in the last three years that quote verbatim and not from acknowledged and viable news sources, many many times. Such as ?not in those exact words?, with events that may or may not have happened. But 99% not from me. With my posts I post links from viable news sources that can be used by those reading my posts. Not from supposed Republican senators that were supposed to have said something, but ?not in those exact words?.
No one has denied that, we are factually talking about no follow up on her 'one offs'. Statistically 'one offs' that make a impact causing a change is very super rare.
She didn't follow up on her Sunshine Sach PR letter parental leave, hence my comment supporting the experts that it was for attention and let's see if I'm an influencer. An advocate follows up, a lobbyist follows up, she is neither one of them.
She is a poorly influencer to date. Her best chances of being an Influencer was before the infamous downfall Oprah show. It's a downfall because she was caught lying and it backfired on the couple.
That is why I only gave the factual objective example of her initial run with the parental leave. To be successful, there are 4 stages to complete it...completed then she can be called a advocate or lobbyist. That is why I said she would have to study hard (the subject, the bill proposal to ace it - like selfstudy with no diploma), I didn't say she was a highschool dropout at 14.
When you read Politico, they have in the past and present interviewed famous advocates and lobbyists; the four stages they all talk about is hard self study; diagnosis (understanding the bill), analysis (analyzing the situation of the bill), strategy (in depth knowledge of the bill and rules by state) and the fourth tactics...All of these people started at a aprentice level towards Junior then Senior, Partner and so on. She hasn't done none of it. Nothing wrong, I am only stating facts.
''However, an Audible spokesperson told Page Six Thursday that there is no truth to the report and they aren't in negotiations with Markle.''
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@PageSix
Meghan Markle 'thrilled' as she nears multimillion dollar 'make-or-break' deal: report Meghan Markle nears multimillion-dollar Audible deal: report (https://trib.al/zOy6w9J)
In reference to my latest comment at the Team Sussex, from President to member of BOD, which basically means from executioner of policies - at the front to be seen to (member of the BOD) a once or twice a year behind closed doors conference board room via zoom to vote on new policies of said organization, hence demotion.
Seeing Harry go from Hero to Zero is quite an extraordinary tale of caution. His less than a hand of 'personal' (what is left) organizations, charities - including multimillion deals flopping or worse getting the redundancy treatment is food for thought of Harry (and Meghan too) state of mind - personal and career wise.
Spotify is over
Audible said no
Soon - the rumor is just to hot already at this stage - Netflix will be over sooner rather than later.
Same situation the remaining 3 books owed to Penguin Random House - the rumor is kinder - being invited to leave.
^ These last two will be cutting their loses like Spotify.
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Many times I think, deserving or not, Charles should have given him a large bulk of moneys at Megxit, make them both sign NDA's and live the life of leisure, which they factually were living it - and probably thought as Family Guy skit - they were being paid for their Royal Connection Titles only with 'minimum work', learning the hard way and blasted worldwide is very harsh. The sad part is the severance is being done 'publicly'.
We don?t know what the duties of President of the African Parks consists of. There are plenty of Royals who are Presidents of various organisations (for instance The Duke of Kent served as President of the All England Tennis Club for years.) That doesn?t mean they execute policies they decide on themselves. The Duke of Kent certainly didn?t and when Kate takes over after his death/retirement, she won?t. The late Queen was President of various organisations. She didnt decide policies.
The announcement states that Harry is now a member of the Board that does actually decide policies and is not just playing a ceremonial role. The announcement includes the phrase that he has been ?elevated? to the new position as Board Member, so (unless you are suggesting the organisation is lying) there is no demotion. That is a presumption you?ve made.
Netflix actually came out after the Spotify decision and stated that are continuing to work with the Sussexes. The rest is just a lot of rumours swirling around. Until and if things change rumours should be treated with contempt.
For instance the President of the FA is the Prince of Wales. Does he decide policies for the FA? No, he doesn?t. The Chairman, not a Royal, has far more power.
From the FA site
?The FA has a figurehead President, who since 1939 has always been a member of the British royal family. The Chairman of the FA has overall responsibility for policy. Traditionally this person rose through the ranks of the FA's committee structure (e.g. by holding posts such as the chairmanship of a county football association). In 2008 politician David Triesman was appointed as the FA's first "independent chairman", the first from outside the football hierarchy. The day-to-day head of the FA was known as the Secretary until 1989, when the job title was changed to Chief Executive.?
The Princess Royal is President of the British Olympic Association. Does she direct that organisation?s policies? No she doesn?t? She is just the public face of it. However as a member of the International Olympic Committee (a member of the Board) she did have actual input.
?Having competed in the 1976 Montreal Olympic Games as a member of the British equestrian team, The Princess Royal is able to bring insight and experience to her role a British member of the International Olympic Committee. Her Royal Highness took part in London's successful bid to host the 2012 Olympic Games, and was a member of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games. In 2016 The Princess visited Rio to meet Team GB in her role as President of the British Olympic Association.?
William is doing his job as President beautifully - he is the executioner of the 'policies' and is there to be 'seen', just as I described in my previous comment.
A member of a BOD meets minimum once a year IF they don't have nothing new to vote on but just announce the YEFR (Year End Financial Report), this is done behind closed doors at a conference room or via zoom, hence the demotion. It is more rewarding to be at the front working as the executioner of the charity, organization or company policies rather than just being a member of a BOD - their job description is quite minimum, especially if policies within a charity, organization or company are established. New ones come very rare - i.e. there would have to be a world crisis that ''relates'' on the performance of the ''objective and mission'' of the entity.
He has been IMV effectively diminished. Note: That can change only by way of H producing loads of money benefactors to the African Parks organization, a very difficult task in today's economical world climate. The only way is doing full and tangible dedication, which he has not.
Even the F1 ''cost caps'' are at it's limit, hence a factor why the boss and H didn't have a successful business trip to Austin.
All in all - his independent experience since Megxit vs his professional senior working royal is a huge eye opener. It tells another tale that his personnel at Kensington Palace since age 18 and his father's when a minor age were/are Top Drawer.
Don?t know what you mean by William (or any other royal President) being an ?executioner of policies?. What does that mean? William plays no part at all in decisions made by the FA administration.
And if we are talking about ?doing things beautifully,? Harry has been President of ANP since 2017 without putting a foot wrong. If he was so lousy at being President then when he (and Meghan) left the working BRF in 2019 they would have got rid of him then. It?s now 2023, and unlike royals the Parks President is not appointed for life. If he had been that bad they would have acted much sooner, not appointed him to their Board.
'Humanitarian' Prince Harry appointed to the Board of Directors of African Parks for his conservation work | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12687855/Humanitarian-Prince-Harry-appointed-Board-Directors-African-Parks-conservation-work.html)
From the article
?During his time as president, the Duke of Sussex has overseen other conservation programmes to protect national parks and wildlife in countries across Africa and has been hailed by the CEO of the organisation for his 'dedication and commitment' to the cause.?
QuoteLet's keep this thread on topic and focus on Prince Harry.
There is really no need to compare either Harry or William with each other anymore. Both have gone their seperate ways in life and live half a world away from each other. Harry is now a non royal from the BRF, he is of no importance to them now, even being the son of a king and or the brother of a future king will not make him have the same status he used to have being a member of the royal family, his choice, his decision. William just carries on and does his job that is expected of him and supports his father while raising 3 beautiful children to know and understand their place in the family, be it as working member or not.
I say, let each of them just go about their own business as long as there is *NO more lies, bad mouthing the royal family* from Harry as that there just shows the type of person he is and someone never to be trusted again. He blew up those bridges big time because even blood born at times does and has has destroyed families of which there is no returning back.
Harry factually stated in his book Spare that William is his arch-nemesis. Definition: archenemy, archrival! This Harry statement encourages his followers to use it for comparing and contrasting, according to H, W is his enemy.
The word executioner seems to not be liked, easier synonyms are:
carry out
accomplish
perform
implement
effect
bring off
bring about
achieve
carry off
carry through
complete
enact
enforce
put into effect
put into practice
do
discharge
prosecute
engineer
administer
^ This is what a President does - it is getting involved in the nitty gritty (Catherine didn't land the Presidency of Wimbledon because of all the above synonyms - she has too much on her plate)
Back to Harry - I am not being 'negative', I am being 'realist' of his situation and what is transpriring. From President to Member of a BOD does not equate to a congrats - Only when the individual is at a retiring age and the charity, organization or company want to keep the person 'in touch' someway.
^
That is ON Harry, not William as William has not said a word to or about what his brother as done or said. Harry is very emotionally damaged and mouths off with no thought to what he is saying or the damage he has caused...he flies by the seat of his pants as the saying goes. I am sure William has been hurt deeply by what his brother has said and done yet he seems to know that there is nothing he can do for Harry as that must come from Harry himself to change his life. Both he and Meghan know the royal family will not say anything, or talk to anyone about private issues so they just can go on and on and on with their badmouthing which in the end only makes them look nasty and hateful. Edward and Wallis left the royal family, and Edward was a KING, not a spare either, yet neither one of them ever bad mouthed the royal family that I remember. They was just shut out of all events and not even allowed back in the country till the very end, the same will happen to Harry and Meghan in time, just takes time for those across the pond to keep moving along, doing the job and ignoring those that have nothing to contribute to the firm, the monarchy or the country as a whole.
Prince Harry and King Charles share warm phone call that could be 'turning point' in relations
The Duke of Sussex rang his father to wish him happy birthday and there was a notable shift in tone
By Victoria Ward,
ROYAL EDITOR
15 November 2023 6:00am
The Telegraph
The King's 75th birthday marked a 'turning point' in relations with the Duke of Sussex, The Telegraph understands.
Father and son enjoyed a warm conversation on Tuesday, after Prince Harry, 39, called the King to wish him a happy birthday.
After a lengthy spell during which the two have barely spoken, the chat marked a notable shift in tone, even ending with an agreement to speak again next week.
The King also spoke on the phone with Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex.
Prince Archie, four, and Princess Lilibet, two, are understood to have recorded a video of themselves singing happy birthday to their grandfather.
IF all that happened it was a very nice birthday gesture by Harry and Meghan. Nice to hear that Archie and Lili were involved as well.
EXCL: Prince Harry did not phone King Charles yday to wish him a happy 75th birthday. -
Sources say there was no time in the diary to fit one in. -
But Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet did send their grandfather a pre-recorded message. -
- Emily Ferguson, Daily Express -
https://x.com/emsferg/status/1724779793852588142?s=20
One of the two The Telegraph or The Daily Express has been duped for the hundredth time. Note that via social media both claim to have Sources from the Sussex Camp. :happy15:
Quote from: wannable on November 15, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
One of the two The Telegraph or The Daily Express has been duped for the hundredth time. Note that via social media both claim to have Sources from the Sussex Camp. :happy15:
Yes, no British journalist ever makes up stories out of their own imaginations of course. Apparently duping only happens with Sussex sources not by anyone on the BRF and BP side! :laugh10:
The British Journalists since around August 2023 have no qualms in pointing out the ''Sussex Camp or Montecito'' in their social media or the article itself. They will keep the professional and ''allowed'' rules - which happens to be in the USA and the UK about keeping their ''source'' a secret, because the law allows it. BUT since the sue happy couple, especially in the previous to the latest hearing - Harry multiple time said he had no idea what and who, The Mirror gave him the factual idea of what and who, etc.
The British Journalists HAVE to do this not only because of the sue happy but as a 'take that' when they publish a Sussex duo related article - they are now stating from ''where'' it comes from, that is why thrice; I tend to believe - too many RR's covering their backs with the couple's team or associates give a news, the couple pretend it wasn't from them, and so on. There you have 2 to 3 articles of 1. news, 2. denial, 3. discussion; the soap drama.
So after stating that, Gordon Rayner, Associate Editor, The Telegraph today has written an article explaining why the Sussexes are so ''eager to leak''.
For those who do not know an Associate Editor is far far far more superior than any apprentice with 1 year experience.
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Charles and Harry are talking? but is a reunion a bridge too far?
The Prince's conversation with the King marks a ?turning point? for the fractured pair, but it will take a lot more to heal the family rift
ByGordon Rayner,
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
15 November 2023 7:12pm
Taken at face value, the fact that Prince Harry phoned his father the King to wish him a happy 75th birthday would appear to be unqualified good news.
A rapprochement between the two would signal the end of years of hostilities and put a stop to the damaging accusations that have poured forth from Montecito ever since Megxit in 2020.
Except that after years of briefing wars between the Sussexes and the Windsors, no one who has paid even passing attention to the royal soap opera could view the latest news without at least a modicum of suspicion.
Is this really a ?turning point? in the relationship between the King and his younger son, as the Sussex camp would have us believe? If so, why is Buckingham Palace so reluctant even to acknowledge that a phone call took place? Or is it just more spin designed to put Harry on the moral high ground in the ongoing battle for public sympathy?
As per usual, I will not contribute in posting a archive link of a media outlet that clearly is pay per view. I will as per usual leave it to RIF admin to commit the crime if they so wish. :sarcastic:
Meghan and Harry give speech at The Kinsey Collection which showcases black art and history
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13228161/Prince-harry-meghan-kinsey-collection-speech.html
https://www.tatler.com/article/meghan-markle-loves-the-name-american-riviera-orchard-and-thinks-perfect-for-her-new-authentic-lifestyle-brand-source-claims
According to this article, Meghan is still interviewing people to head up ARO. Why launch a website and Instagram page before all the pieces were set in place? I don't think she thought this through
Quote from: Lothwen on April 15, 2024, 03:23:19 PMhttps://www.tatler.com/article/meghan-markle-loves-the-name-american-riviera-orchard-and-thinks-perfect-for-her-new-authentic-lifestyle-brand-source-claims
According to this article, Meghan is still interviewing people to head up ARO. Why launch a website and Instagram page before all the pieces were set in place? I don't think she thought this through
I do find it puzzling that she did not have items in stock and the staff in place for ARO prior to making the announcement.
I'm starting to think that the website and Instagram were launched to take advantage of the attention that Kate was getting for her absence/illness.
You are correct on that assumption as usually when the royal family does something that is in the media there shortly follows something the Sussex do right after the event with the royal family. I gather it is the Sussex's way of still being connected to the royal family even 4 years later when they ran away to Canada from the royal family...they are more than a bit confusing's in what they really are about and want to do.....it is like a child throwing things in the air and seeing what lands somewhere else.
Meghan Markle unveils first product from new lifestyle collection American Riviera Orchard with 50 influencers sent her strawberry jam - including fashion designer Tracy Robbins and Argentine socialite Delfina Balquier
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13313341/Meghan-Markle-American-Riviera-Orchard-product-jam-Prince-Harry.html
EXCLUSIVE: Harry FINALLY cut ties with Britain: Exiled prince lists US as primary residence for first time - amid deportation fears over past drug use.
The Daily Mail can disclose that Prince Harry has updated his records in this country to make clear that he no longer lives in Britain.
Filings published by Companies House today for 'Prince Henry Charles Albert David Duke of Sussex' record that his 'New Country/State Usually Resident' is now the USA. It was previously recorded as the United Kingdom.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13319663/prince-harry-lists-primary-residence-time.html
Very interesting, I wonder if Harry had hoped to spend more time in the UK
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It's actually quite usual for people hosting cooking segments and cooking shows to use kitchens specially built on set or kitchens in other homes away from theirs for their shows, so the Fail oh so heavy sarcasm is misplaced.
Yeah, I'm not surprised they aren't filming inside their house. Honestly, I don't think anyone should have expected them to.
I'm not interested in her cooking show or the polo documentary, but the logistics of ARO will be interesting to watch.
Meghan such BS for not allowed to films at their home for no reason expect films kitchens and polo i understand she very private person i don't understand why Meghan will not allowed to films what she wanted but she is BS drama!! @Curryong and @Lothwen
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Ah yes, because when I think of Netflix I think "lifestyle brand ".
Shouldn't something like hiring a CEO be done before going public?
I would think so, and I'd also expect the website to be up and running by now, with actual products and information about who they're partnered with (local farms, orchards, etc).
It's been over 6 weeks and the website still isn't working, she doesn't have a CEO, and all she's done is send strawberry jam to a few people.
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