Fergie Is Back at Andrew’s Side In New Sign of Her Return to Royal Fold

TLLK · November 29, 2014, 05:43:17 PM

^^^That's what I understood as well amabel. She was the daughter of his polo manager and she is IMO an outgoing and friendly person. However I believe that once the family began to know her better they saw she could be a bit reckless and impulsive.

amabel · November 29, 2014, 05:55:38 PM

Quote from: TLLK on November 29, 2014, 05:43:17 PM
^^^That's what I understood as well amabel. She was the daughter of his polo manager and she is IMO an outgoing and friendly person. However I believe that once the family began to know her better they saw she could be a bit reckless and impulsive.

Ronald F wasn't exactly a social equal, and his fooling around at a massage parlor was something that rather caused embarrassment for Fergie and the RF
IM not sure but I think Sarah's' mother' s family were within the royal circle. I think that P Philip dated Sarah's' Mother?
However I think that while she's likable they should have seen that Sarah wasn't suitable.. she just is a silly vulgar woman who has no brains and no filter...and I suspect tat if Andy had not been the queen's favourite she might have been sharper..

Trudie · November 29, 2014, 10:48:14 PM

Quote from: amabel on November 29, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: TLLK on November 23, 2014, 03:05:51 AM
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
I believe he liked her at first, she seemed jolly and friendly and into all the country stuff, but it wasn't heard to see that she was never suitable to be a princess. And witin a couple of years, she was doing stupid things, taking too many freebies, not doing enough duty.... The queen relaly should never have allowed her to marry Andy.

Well lets be fair about Sarah and doing her duty she hardly had time to be with her husband doing appearances most that she did was solo. Yes she was jolly and friendly and into all the Country stuff and perhaps she wasn't ever suitable enough to be a Princess but the same could also be said about Camilla and it still applies Fergie with Freebies but Camilla drinking and sampling fine wines and ales also not good and Camilla IMO in the beginning and even now doesn't do half the duty her predecessor did Yet HM did consent to both marriages. As I said previously some may think Sarah is vulgar and PP has objections but Charles is hardly in a position to object since his wife is also IMO vulgar especially the way she came by her marriage.

Curryong · November 29, 2014, 11:09:47 PM

JMO, but I think the Queen is very much a pragmatist. Like everyone else, she likes some people she has things in common with and is neutral about others she doesn't. It's always been said that Fergie (who was very natural and cracked jokes and liked country life) was a great favourite. I think the Queen hoped that the more dignified princess role would come in time and was saddened when it didn't and when the marriage ended.

What I mean about the Queen being a pragmatist is that I don't believe she's ever interfered in her children's choices of spouse, (or her grandchildren's for that matter.)

It's been said that she expressed no opinion to Charles about Diana's suitability as a wife. Perhaps that was a case where she should have, but she didn't. The only time she expressed her disapproval was in not receiving Camilla for years because of her strong views about adultery. Otherwise, she believes, quite reasonably I think, that her children and grandchildren are adults, and should be treated as such by her.

snokitty · November 29, 2014, 11:36:44 PM

Quote from: Trudie on November 29, 2014, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: amabel on November 29, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: TLLK on November 23, 2014, 03:05:51 AM
^^^From what I recall Charles was concerned about Fergie's behavior even before their marital problems were exposed.
I believe he liked her at first, she seemed jolly and friendly and into all the country stuff, but it wasn't heard to see that she was never suitable to be a princess. And witin a couple of years, she was doing stupid things, taking too many freebies, not doing enough duty.... The queen relaly should never have allowed her to marry Andy.

Well lets be fair about Sarah and doing her duty she hardly had time to be with her husband doing appearances most that she did was solo. Yes she was jolly and friendly and into all the Country stuff and perhaps she wasn't ever suitable enough to be a Princess but the same could also be said about Camilla and it still applies Fergie with Freebies but Camilla drinking and sampling fine wines and ales also not good and Camilla IMO in the beginning and even now doesn't do half the duty her predecessor did Yet HM did consent to both marriages. As I said previously some may think Sarah is vulgar and PP has objections but Charles is hardly in a position to object since his wife is also IMO vulgar especially the way she came by her marriage.

:goodpost: :thumbsup: :nod:

TLLK · November 29, 2014, 11:46:42 PM

Quote from: Curryong on November 29, 2014, 11:09:47 PM
JMO, but I think the Queen is very much a pragmatist. Like everyone else, she likes some people she has things in common with and is neutral about others she doesn't. It's always been said that Fergie (who was very natural and cracked jokes and liked country life) was a great favourite. I think the Queen hoped that the more dignified princess role would come in time and was saddened when it didn't and when the marriage ended.

What I mean about the Queen being a pragmatist is that I don't believe she's ever interfered in her children's choices of spouse, (or her grandchildren's for that matter.)

It's been said that she expressed no opinion to Charles about Diana's suitability as a wife. Perhaps that was a case where she should have, but she didn't. The only time she expressed her disapproval was in not receiving Camilla for years because of her strong views about adultery. Otherwise, she believes, quite reasonably I think, that her children and grandchildren are adults, and should be treated as such by her.

Her and the DoE's opinions regarding their past and current sons/daughters-in-law have been the subject of much discussion over the years. I tend to believe that she would have voiced her opinion only if asked though I do think he'd be more likely to just state it.

amabel · November 30, 2014, 10:30:02 AM

I believe that the queen like most people liked Diana at first and thought she was suitable, which in many ways she was. The RF didn't look beyond the fact that Di was the right age and class, undoubtedly pretty and charming and looked good to the cameras and the press and the public seemed to like her. They didn't know her well enough to realise that she was a lot more fragile than she appeared, that she knew very little of the RF, really and that she was not into the country life that they loved. But I think that the Queen SHOULD have beenn more pro active in finding out about her children's spouses, at least the 2 elder sons since their wives would be public figures. I think with Fergie, again she was of the right class even if poor and with a slightly dubious father - and her mother was a divorce and bolter, and she was fun, also popular with the press and looked attractive in a more "outdoorsy" way... And I think that the queen liked her, in private, found her lively and fun and interested in riding, etc.. so she found her congenial and didn't seem to be bothered by her obvious vulgarity - Perhaps if Andy had not been her favourite, she might have been a bit more dubious as to whether Fergie would really be able ot behave sutiably in public... or whetehr she had staying power...

Limabeany · November 30, 2014, 03:26:00 PM

The only thing that was unsuitable was Charles petty jealousy over his wife's popularity from the first time they were out together when she was only 20.

amabel · November 30, 2014, 08:25:58 PM

I dont believe he was pettily jealous. it seems to me that he was very proud of her at first, albeit it did hurt him a bit when he was overlooked for his wife. As time passed yes, he did become jealous when his serious speeches were ignored because she had a new hairstyle.

SophieChloe · November 30, 2014, 08:31:08 PM

[mod]Please remember Sarah & Andrew are the topic. Not Diana. :xmas9: :flower:[/mod]

Trudie · November 30, 2014, 08:54:05 PM

Andrew may be a bit of a boor with much of his behavior but, as far as Sarah is concerned he had and continued to show class by no allowing anyone to trash her. Charles had and continued to this day to allow friends and family to trash Diana. I believe Andrew still loves Sarah and Sarah does love Andrew. The only problem with Sarah was and continues to be is her idea of how as a royal and semi royal her lifestyle should be. As a bride Sarah had this idea that she should dress and emulate Diana who's husband was afforded money from the Duchy of Cornwall to live a lifestyle that Sarah's husband couldn't afford as a naval officer. Sarah was given a generous allowance by the Queen and lived at BP while Sunninghill was being built a gift from the Queen yet to Sarah it seemed that Andrew and herself should live a lifestyle befitting the son of a Sovereign and it led to disastrous results in her quest to earn enough. I believe Sarah has now grown up to the point where she is comfortable with the way she and Andrew now live and I do think maybe one day they will remarry.

Limabeany · December 01, 2014, 11:25:09 AM

:goodpost: @Trudie I also think their companionship and affection will lead them to remarry in the future.

amabel · December 01, 2014, 05:11:53 PM

No they wornt. They have had other lovers for years and neither of them is going to tie themselves into a remarriage. esp when it would be extremely unpopular

DaFluffs · December 01, 2014, 05:20:20 PM

Despite other lovers Fergie has always lived in Andrew's royal residences, hasn't she?

I see them remarrying not for love but that Fergie will manipulate Andrew into marriage in order to secure a home to live in in her old age. Especially when Charles becomes King and tries anything to throw her out....

amabel · December 01, 2014, 05:26:11 PM

Im sure she would like to remarry him for that reason, but I dotn see it happening. He would have to get Charles' permission, and I doubt if that would be forthcoming.

Trudie · December 01, 2014, 09:41:39 PM

Quote from: amabel on December 01, 2014, 05:11:53 PM
No they wornt. They have had other lovers for years and neither of them is going to tie themselves into a remarriage. esp when it would be extremely unpopular

I think they might and so what if they had other lovers. I really don't think they care if their relationship now or in the future would stop them even if it would be extremely unpopular especially since Andrew keeps moving down the line.

Further Andrew is over 25 and doesn't need Charles permission when he becomes King, All he has to do is petition Parliament of his intent. If PP should pass in the next few years before HM I think HM would give permission. Charles marriage to Camilla was extremely unpopular yet he married her anyway. If Charles withheld permission that would show him to be the spiteful hypocrite he really is.

snokitty · December 01, 2014, 11:05:15 PM

^ :goodpost: :thumbsup: :nod:

TLLK · December 02, 2014, 04:33:12 AM

As the years go by I'm less convinced that they will remarry but I can see them still living at the same residence until the end.

amabel · December 02, 2014, 05:30:56 PM

Oh of course, Sarah will stick with him, because he's good to her...

amabel · January 05, 2015, 06:52:48 PM

Quote from: TLLK on December 02, 2014, 04:33:12 AM
As the years go by I'm less convinced that they will remarry but I can see them still living at the same residence until the end.

well maybe after this latest shenanigans, Andy will remarry to look more respectable and Fergie would jump at the chance!

snokitty · January 05, 2015, 11:34:43 PM

Fergie Dives Into Prince Andrew?s Sex Scandal - The Daily Beast

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Either they really are going to marry again—or Fergie is the world's most loyal ex. Who else would see a former spouse accused of underage sex and call him 'the greatest man there is'?

FanDianaFancy · January 06, 2015, 02:12:58 AM

I agree with Trude and LIMABENAY.

I will try to bring it back to the center.

Remarry?

Maybe when PP dies for sure, first and maybe even QEII.
That will be , could be in 10-15 years. That is a long time waiting for EII to die.

Both have signif theirs. PAndrew seems to like being free and have several girlfriends, None have never been with him in public which is weird.
That would have been respectable.

Maybe they will remarry for comfortable , known companionship after 60. Good for their girls and their families.

Who really knows except for them and they are not telling?

Sarah was suitable. Who is not suitable? He chose her so therefore she was suitable he made herself unsuitable by the old saying, too many yes people. Not listening to TPTB and they did not see to powerful. It all snowballed out of control.
Dress fly ups. The comment, " I'll see you later."
Freebies. Andrew away at sea , whatever military branch.

The picture of Sarah and Andrew together from their childhood.

LDFS as suitable. What made her unsuitable was that she refused, could not accept being 3 in her , well, the farce of a marriage and where she messed up is that she fought PC over CPB at every turn, LOL!!! There, hopes that makes sense LOL, for some of you all here.

PAndrew is a lot of scandal.

YES, this girl is basically saying her word against his word
HOWEVER, PAndrew has been left to do as he pleases with no TPTB , QEI even, putting the brakes on him.
See snokitty's other thread. Did anyone ever say no to him. Stop him. PAndrew has been with too many questionable people, not legit, etc. HE has had them at Sandringham (Epstein), taken money or Sarah's debts, the sale of that house, etc.

He has used poor judgment over and over again.

Kate · January 06, 2015, 02:21:31 PM

I don't know if they will ever remarry, but I believe PA will always look after her. Sarah knows whose closets all the skeletons are in. Plus she is the mother of Andrews daughters and IMO, that counts to him.
I only wish that Sarah had NOT become visual during this time for Andrew. With her own past somewhat shoddy, she is not the one to champion his cause. It would be better had she said nothing... I also found what she said to be a little melodramatic... I genuinely hope that PA, somehow, comes out of this scandal OK..