The Washington Examiner says 'The real Royal Scandal isn't Rose Hanbury or Meghan but Prince Andrew'.
The real royal scandal isn't Meghan or Rose Hanbury, it's Prince Andrew (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-real-royal-scandal-isnt-meghan-or-rose-hanbury-its-prince-andrew)
This one might develop in the next few months.
I wonder if this is the real reason for the daily critiques of Meghan and the what i think is a hyped up feud, a smokescreen to the real trouble perhaps? Hmmm.
Prince Andrew has been tied to the Epstein case for years and years. Much was also hidden about this case the entire time. I wonder what we will learn now that the case has been reopened?
Quote from: sandy on July 11, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
I wonder if this is the real reason for the daily critiques of Meghan and the what i think is a hyped up feud, a smokescreen to the real trouble perhaps? Hmmm.
No. The journalists that have been assigned in the UK related to Epstein's case are in waiting mode to see if PA is ever mentioned by Epstein, his lawyers or the lawyer representing the victims.
They have also taken note that the 3 amigos (previously mentioned Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew) are in 'business as usual' mode. No signs of hiding, awkward movements, etc. Anything that can make the media write a 'hit' piece. The waiting has to be done (as I explained in the above paragraph), if not the 3 amigos lawyers can call for defamation and liability/slander.
The notion of Sussex fans tweeting/replying that Epstein should be front page will not happen until and IF the above 2 paragraphs happen. Also IF he makes front page news with no Prince mention, it will be in the USA, as he is American rather than British.
The Epstein case is decidedly big news.
To me it has nothing to do with how people feel about the Sussexes this Epstein case has a huge impact. The Sussex headlines to me are repetitive and rehash the same things. Meghan's ring is nothing compared to Epstein.
Prince Andrew could be potentially in real trouble. This could have really serious ramifications for the royal family and I mean very very serious.
Meghan's seating at Wimbledon is a mere trifle in comparison. ANd is tabloid fodder IMO not a major news story.
It should in the States, which is not the same as the media ratings in the UK. :shrug:
i.e. Meghan Rapinoe Captain of the USA football team is front page news today in the USA, why should she be in the UK?
You said it 'potentially' be in trouble, BUT the loophole is exactly what I said in my previous comment if the lawyers of both Epstein and Victims Do Not Mention any Famous person attached, the media in both sides of the pond cannot STATE it nor imply (defamation, libel, slander laws).
If it effects Andrew in a significant way it would be of great interest or should be.
The Queen placing Andrew next to her at the "Trooping" may have been a way of telegraphing support to her second son.
It remains to be seen how this plays out.
I agree with your latest comment. IF
But as far as today, the request of the Sussex fans is a No. And I am also glad that the RR's that have been slammed via twitter by the S fans are not engaging with that (even if the RR's wish it, they can't until what I've mentioned in my previous comments) One really needs to find out what are front page news/ratings to each ''country''.
If is clearly stated in all the comments. He could be in trouble.
''Could''
used to indicate possibility.
"they could be right" ? [more]
used in making suggestions or polite requests.
"you could always ring him up" ? [more]
used to indicate annoyance because of something that has not been done.
"they could have told me!"
used to indicate a strong inclination to do something.
"he irritates me so much that I could scream"
BUT can't until the lawyers of any band mention him or Clinton or Trump :shrug:
*****
In reference to the Sussex bad news or bad comments, they will Sue if and only the BRF lawyers have a 'winning' case, they never lose. Whenever you here someone wishing the Sussex to sue, it won't happen until and if you here a suing case of a member of the BRF in the media, when you read it, its a win. If you don't read it, there is nothing to sue, as the BRF are not known historically to sue in a losing case. They just bare with it.
Life is one big "could" sometimes. Could have. Not this is a fact.
I think you will agree with me that after our healthy discussion, the reason why in the UK Epstein is STILL not front page news. He is also not front page in his native country yet.
Wait and patience until the actual hearing and judging by the US courts.
Innocent until proven guilty.
The flight logs are creating much interest here.
Quote from: sandy on July 11, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
I wonder if this is the real reason for the daily critiques of Meghan and the what i think is a hyped up feud, a smokescreen to the real trouble perhaps? Hmmm.
there's no smokescreen to the real lack of interactions between kate and meghan...
the fact andrew and epstein were friends and andrew liked his underaged girls doesnt revoke the obvious bad and lack of relations between kate and meghan... and all the others meghan articles are genuine critiques.... wimbledon arrogance mess, overspending in clothes and residence, private christening, archie insta pics ... it's same thing says fergie was criticized in 1980s for take away attention from charles and diana living separate lives reports...
Quote from: wannable on July 11, 2019, 03:04:46 PM
I think you will agree with me that after our healthy discussion, the reason why in the UK Epstein is STILL not front page news. He is also not front page in his native country yet.
Wait and patience until the actual hearing and judging by the US courts.
Prince Andrew is on the front page today in the US. I'm seeing his picture with Epstein everyone. I live in the US and everyone is talking about it. :cry:
Jeffrey Epstein: Prince Andrew photo reappears in sex trafficking case (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/07/10/jeffrey-epstein-friendship-prince-andrew-explained-amid-sex-trafficking-case/1692505001/)
Quote from: dianab on July 12, 2019, 11:42:26 PM
there's no smokescreen to the real lack of interactions between kate and meghan...
the fact andrew and epstein were friends and andrew liked his underaged girls doesnt revoke the obvious bad and lack of relations between kate and meghan... and all the others meghan articles are genuine critiques.... wimbledon arrogance mess, overspending in clothes and residence, private christening, archie insta pics ... it's same thing says fergie was criticized in 1980s for take away attention from charles and diana living separate lives reports...
Andrew is in more serious trouble if he had been involved. But innocent until proven guilty.
Prince Andrew is with the Queen today viewing the exhibit pre-opening of Buckingham Palace for this summer tourists.
Twitter conversation:
Emily Andrews
150 years ago: One wag even hung a ?for rent? sign on BP as people were fed up with paying for a palace that wasn?t being used and a Queen that wasn?t seen. Just goes to show that 150 years later nothing changes...people still get annoyed paying for royal houses...
Jeannine Otto
@AgNews_Otto
Replying to @byEmilyAndrews @Gertsroyals
Interesting to see Prince Andrew there, in light of his Epstein connection. Haven't see much coverage from royal reporters on that. It would seem to be more serious than how the Duchess of Sussex opened a car door or left Wimbledon - but maybe that's just me.
Gert's Royals
@Gertsroyals
There was plenty of coverage when the story first broke year and years ago & again in 2015. But the bottom line is the current charges don?t involve Prince Andrew in any way.
Quote from: sandy on July 11, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
I wonder if this is the real reason for the daily critiques of Meghan and the what i think is a hyped up feud, a smokescreen to the real trouble perhaps? Hmmm.
If true that they are using Meghan as a smokescreen, it would be a useless exercise. If it turns out they have something on Andrew there isn't anything that would overshadow it. The reasons for picking on her are varied and I doubt they are instigated by the Royal Family.
I don't think there is any serious reason to pick on Meghan. All of a sudden now the "feud" with Kate is over since they are both mothers now and are sympatico. I don't know what will happen if Andrew is found guilty.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on July 19, 2019, 02:24:06 PM
If true that they are using Meghan as a smokescreen, it would be a useless exercise. If it turns out they have something on Andrew there isn't anything that would overshadow it. The reasons for picking on her are varied and I doubt they are instigated by the Royal Family.
No I believe that they're largely motivated by the fact that the Sussexes (especially Meghan) sell stories and earn revenue.
Quote from: sandy on July 11, 2019, 01:42:28 PM
If it effects Andrew in a significant way it would be of great interest or should be.
The Queen placing Andrew next to her at the "Trooping" may have been a way of telegraphing support to her second son.
It remains to be seen how this plays out.
Regarding the Queen placing Andrew next to her; the reason for that is that he is Colonel of the military group whose colours were trooped on that day. If the DOE had been there, of course he would have taken pride of place, but Andrew would still have been nearby, as he played a key part in the event.
A mother supporting her son.
Quote from: Blue Clover on July 21, 2019, 02:14:05 AM
A mother supporting her son.
Yes! And somehow I see Epstein cultivating Andrew's friendship but not Andrew condoning Epstein's behavior. But maybe I'm just na?ve?
I think they were friends and spent time together.
Yes, Andrew and Epstein were probably friendly but it wasn't just friendship. According to filed documents Andrew was a passenger on Epstein's private plane, like Pres Clinton and other prominent men, and flew to his island which had luxury accommodation. Young girls serviced the men on this island and elsewhere all over the world.
Virginia Roberts, the 17year old Andrew was photographed with, testified that she was flown to England and other places. She was ordered to have sex with Andrew on at least three occasions.
Epstein was and is nothing but a pimp in my estimation, and there was more than a hint of blackmail in his interactions with 'friends' IMO. He's a nasty piece of work and I hope he serves a proper sentence in NY when he's convicted this time, not treated as if he's at a holiday resort as he was years ago under the Florida prison system. He's already received neck injuries while in jail on remand in NY which is unacceptable, but I just hope he gets a long sentence this time.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on July 24, 2019, 02:05:21 PM
Yes! And somehow I see Epstein cultivating Andrew's friendship but not Andrew condoning Epstein's behavior. But maybe I'm just na?ve?
what was he doing with the man? He may not have been fully conversant with all of Epstein's activities but he should have distanced himself from him immediately..
@Curryong Wow! I haven't been following the story very well because the details in your post are horrible. :eyes: I think you are right, this wasn't JUST a friendship. Not an ordinary friendship by any means. :no:
@amabel I agree with you, Andrew should have distanced himself from this man once he realized what types of behavior he was into :(
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@Blue Clover I have found myself choosing not to read the Epstein stories and mostly because I my daughter is about the age of those he was having "relationships" with over the years. :fuming:
Andrew should have distanced himself immediately.
I don't think Andrew cared. Or at least, he didn't care enough to be concerned how his behavior and whom he interacts with may blow back onto the royal family.
Andrew has been described as arrogant and not very intellectual. There was only one reason for this "friendship". I doubt Epstein is the only person Andrew looked to for securing female companionship.
I get the impression that Andrew believes he is scandal proof - he knows he will be able to manipulate the Queen into handling this and making it go away. He's the Queen's favorite....
@DaFluffs You could be right. Andrew may not have thought about any of the implications of his association.
Jeffrey Epstein has been found dead in his cell.
BREAKING: Jeffrey Epstein dead ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/breaking-jeffrey-epstein-dead-128373/)
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According to newly released court documents a young woman alleges Andrew groped her breast during a visit to Epstein's apartment.
Prince Andrew groped young woman at flat belonging to billionaire paedophile, court documents allege | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-grope-young-woman-breast-court-documents-a9051001.html)
Hmmmm.... there are two stories in the ever reliable Daily Fail regarding Andrew & Fergie's relationship being rekindled. I wonder if this is an attempt to divert our attention away from the Epstein drama?
I doubt there is a rekindled romantic relationship though. They may be good friends but I can't visualize Andrew in a serious romantic relationship w/anyone.
@Princess Cassandra - this is also a response to your Balmoral visit by the Yorks thread
@DaFluffs I saw both stories almost side-by-side - both are an interesting twist in this tragic story involving Epstein. We may never know the extent of Prince Andrew's friendship with Epstein.
The documents have been authorized to be opened and divulged, Now is the moment Andrew can be named in all media outlets because HE is mentioned. A few months ago, no, although it was wished to cover the mistakes of the Sussex's. I suppose people shall understand the motive, although toxic twitter does not.
Update news
Prince Andrew was at Balmoral when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344383/Prince-Andrew-Balmoral-Jeffrey-Epstein-killed-himself.html)
Prince Andrew exposed: Teen sex slave alleges pair were intimate at Ghislaine Maxwell's London home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7342169/Prince-Andrew-exposed-Teen-sex-slave-alleges-pair-intimate-Ghislaine-Maxwells-London-home.html)
Prince Andrew 'groped' woman in Epstein's house, court files allege - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49305967)
Allegations about Prince Andrew made in US legal case | World News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/allegations-about-prince-andrew-made-in-us-legal-case-11781717)
Prince Andrew groped young woman's breast at Epstein house, court files allege | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/09/prince-andrew-court-documents-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein)
Royal news: Prince Andrew accused of sexual groping at Jeffrey Epstein mansion | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1164033/Royal-news-Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-Virginia-Giuffre-Ghislaine-Maxwell)
Buckingham Palace responds to Prince Andrew ?groping? allegation ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/buckingham-palace-responds-to-prince-andrew-groping-allegations-128387/)
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Woman claims Prince Andrew 'fondled her' at home of paedo pal Jeffrey Epstein - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/woman-claims-prince-andrew-fondled-18878049)
I am no conspiracy theorist. In fact I regard 99% of such theories as wacko. However, if reports coming from the US media in the last few hours are true, as in that the particular jail section that Epstein was being held in was cleared of guards for 'a few hours' so 'maintenance' could take place, and the CCTV cameras 'unfortunately suffered a malfunction' at the relevant time of Epsten's death, then something smells very very fishy.
If maintenance was scheduled to take place why wouldn't the inmates as well as the guards be moved elsewhere? And as for the CCTV being off, that is indeed 'very unfortunate'! I hope that a full and open inquiry into this low-life's death takes place.
Prince Andrew is joined by fellow royals at church in Balmoral a day after Jeffrey Epstein's suicide | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7346077/Prince-Andrew-joined-fellow-royals-church-Balmoral-day-Jeffrey-Epsteins-suicide.html)
Whether he took his own life, or was allowed to take his own life, he joins the sordid ranks of Hitler and his cohorts and many others who have escaped justice by suicide. I wonder what it was like for them whey they crossed the threshold. Or perhaps someone arranged to kill him and make it look like suicide, in the same way that at least one Catholic pedophile priest met his end in the USA. As you say, we hope a full investigation will reveal the truth and it least give his victims some closure.
HE knew too much to live.
The 'charges' against Epstein is now closed as the 'charged' has died, that is the court system in the USA.
In reference to Prince Andrew, the documents says 'allegations' (definition: a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof). To charge Prince Andrew, proof needs to be sent to/from the victim (s) lawyers, presented to the court (judge), so that charges may be made public, the judge would then open the sealed documents for media consumption.
Several of the young women victimised by slime ball Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell may well sue the Epstein estate for compensation in future months. And the authorities might well go after Maxwell, who could talk in an effort to get a sentence reduction.
I certainly don't think that Andrew is out of the woods by any means, especially if more stories come out. While he went up to Balmoral the Sun had headlines about 'Death of Andy's pedo pal' so I would think that so long as this keeps bubbling along Andrew's reputation will remain in the toilet.
Epstein and the VIP's who are mentioned made front page news worldwide the entire weekend including Friday, trending on twitter and instagram for 3 days, and what else...the Sussex fan bases are yet not happy (because bellow in a corner of gossip and tabloids and in tv or yahoo interviews is a Sussex news that to each opinion is bad news or fake news, OR because the RR's did not report it but their USA counterpart colleagues that are based in New York or Florida).
Yes, I agree! Many powerful men are feeling relief because Epstein will never spill their secrets. So sorry for all involved.
As I previously said, since he is dead the 'charges' are also dead.
1. Federal prosecutors last month indicated their intention to seize any of Epstein?s properties where he sexually abused minors. But now that he?s dead, the criminal-asset-forfeiture option is dead, too
2. The lawyer of the victims may now go via a Civil Lawsuit; see whatever moneys and assets they can grab for the victims, which according to the US law is faster and easier, but it has a catch, JE likely had all that 'fixed' (transferred, made sure all fixed and liquid assets) so they wont receive nothing.
3. His only remaining close relative: his younger brother, Mark Epstein....
They said today that computers and papers are being seized from his properties. I guess releasing black books, address books, notes, papers or computer files could embarrass some powerful men and some form of unofficial justice could take place - the loss of status for some.
Princess Diana is named in documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7349879/Princess-Diana-named-court-documents-relating-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Princes William and Harry may have visited paedo billionaire Jeffrey Epstein?s mansion when they were children, court documents suggest ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9705981/prince-william-harry-jeffrey-epstein-court-docs-claims/)
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I think the handyman is mistaken. Diana is not known to have visited Florida after 1993, when she took her boys to Disney World. Epstein wasn't notorious in the 1990s after Diana's death, so there would be no point in not putting his name out there if she had visited him. Yet none of her biographers of the time mention him, or Diana visiting any of his homes, even in passing.
Burrell would certainly have known about any visit and mentioned it when the Epstein scandal first blew up in the early 2000s, probably saying she found him creepy or something. Jephson, Diana's Private Secretary pre divorce isn't female and has said that he knows nothing about any visit. Why would Diana's Secretary be travelling around Florida on her behalf with her boys anyway?
I think the only Royal that Epstein was close to at all was Andrew, and to a certain extent Fergie. She was named as a passenger to his island on other documents. It was undoubtedly due to Andrew that he and Ghislane were seen out and about at Sandringham for example and he was photographed meeting with the Queen.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-medical-examiner-rules-jeffrey-epstein-death-suicide-by-hanging
NYC medical examiner rules Jeffrey Epstein death suicide by hanging.
Will this change the conspiracy theorists? Probably not.
Wow! There are so many conspiracy theories out there - it's unbelievable. They'll say the medical examiner was paid off. :no:
Oh well, according to many in the tin hat brigade Epstein is in some far off land having cosmetic surgery for his new life as we speak so I guess nothing about the autopsy will be believed, even if photos are released.
Quote from: Curryong on August 17, 2019, 01:07:17 AM
Oh well, according to many in the tin hat brigade Epstein is in some far off land having cosmetic surgery for his new life as we speak so I guess nothing about the autopsy will be believed, even if photos are released.
:lol: Oh my!
I don't think it is in dispute by reasonable people that he did kill himself.. but he was supposed to be on suicide watch. And his death is going to take away from his victims a sense of closure or getting justice...
Did anyone see Andrew grinning in the car on his way to Church no less? Sickening.
I hope they don't stop the investigation. The truth needs to be told.
Yes I did see it, and there are many sarcastic comments on social media and in the Press about it. The Queen is getting some (rare) criticism.
And the Guardian is having a sarky say here about Andrew, Sarah and the possibility of a rematch. (Though as she's nearly as deeply smeared in the Epstein controversy as Andy is I can't see any advantage, myself.)
Andrew and Fergie: is a conscious recoupling of convenience on the cards? | Life and style | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2019/aug/15/andrew-and-fergie-is-a-conscious-recoupling-of-convenience-on-the-cards)
Seems the royals are trying the art of distraction. Talking of a "reunion" of the Yorks instead of the elephant in the room.
Quote from: wannable on August 12, 2019, 01:21:04 PM
The 'charges' against Epstein is now closed as the 'charged' has died, that is the court system in the USA.
Charges against Epstein himself are closed, but co-conspirators are still on the hook.
Where Does the Jeffrey Epstein Investigation Go From Here? | Time (https://time.com/5651186/jeffrey-epstein-investigation-co-conspirators/)
If the moderators don't want to go here, I'll withdraw the question, but, hypothetically speaking, if
(IF) the investigation shows Andrew participated in illegal activities with Epstein, would Andrew be answerable to US justice?
Surely, if Andrew had committed provable offences against Virginia and/or other underage girls then he would be liable to be questioned, you would think. Isn't there something illegal about taking young girls across State lines (and overseas) for immoral purposes? Why hasn't Ghislaine been questioned about taking Virginia to London for Andrew, per Virginia's allegations? The State authorities concerned would have to contact the British authorities but if Andrew didnt want a huge disgrace he would and should allow himself to be questioned by US investigators in Britain.
IF it got to that. I can't see it proceeding that far, to be frank. Somehow or other, Andrew will, IMO probably get away with whatever he did on the island in Florida and/or NY. Of course, we don't know what documents, photos, videos etc Epstein had hidden away for his own perusal and whether any of it still exists. IMO, Epstein wouldn't have been above using blackmail or pressure on some of his friends using this stuff. And IMO Ghislaine Maxwell knows the most about Epstein and his 'friends' activities and ought to at least be under investigation.
The grub Andrew was photographed opening the front door of Epstein's NY mansion, in the company of a young woman, photos that have appeared in the British Press in the last few days. This house had, according to recent news reports, framed photos of underage girls in various states of undress hanging up on the walls. (This is of course if these news reports are accurate.) And yet he (and his ex, Fergie) didn't know anything of Epstein's activities on the island, in Florida or in NY? Sorry, but at the moment at least, I'm not buying what he or Fergie are selling.
The Daily Mail has a video of Prince Andrew entering Epstein's house. Its the leading story, an exclusive.
Prince Andrew pictured inside paedophile Jeffrey Epstein's ?63million mansion of depravity | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7367511/Prince-Andrew-pictured-inside-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-63million-mansion-depravity.html)
Boris and the Queen need to do a Duke of Windsor job to Andrew ASAP.
Quote from: wannable on August 19, 2019, 03:48:03 PM
Boris and the Queen need to do a Duke of Windsor job to Andrew ASAP.
What is that?
This is getting bad...royal damage control is needed. :(
GUY ADAMS details Prince Andrew's toxic fixation with Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7373083/GUY-ADAMS-details-Prince-Andrews-toxic-fixation-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
A nice posting, supposedly for the RF far far away, as with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor during WW2 when he was Governor of the Bahamas in order to keep him out of trouble. The trouble is there are very few positions of that sort available nowadays. Is St Helena (where Napoleon was imprisoned) still available? There's always the chalet in Switzerland I suppose, and a generous allowance...
Why Buckingham Palace chose to respond to the allegations facing Prince Andrew in Jeffrey Epstein sex scandal - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-19/why-buckingham-palace-chose-to-respond-to-the-allegations-facing-prince-andrew-in-jeffrey-epstein-sex-scandal/)
Prince Andrew humiliation: How Queen didn?t save Andrew from wrath of Windsor staff | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1167633/Prince-Andrew-humiliation-Queen-Elizabeth-ii-save-Andrew-Windsor-Castle-palace-staff)
Prince Andrew warned 'questions remain' on Jeffrey Epstein link after new video emerges | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1167532/Royal-news-Prince-Andrew-Duke-of-York-Jeffrey-Epstein-allegations-Royal-Family-latest)
Prince Andrew latest news: Royal speaks out over paedophile Jeffrey Epstein scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1167305/Prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-latest-news-royal-family-paedophile-updates-donald-trump)
Prince Andrew urged to tell all he knows about Jeffrey Epstein | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/19/prince-andrew-urged-to-tell-all-he-knows-about-jeffrey-epstein)
Duke of York dismissed pleas to drop Jeffrey Epstein saying he was 'loyal to his friends' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/19/duke-york-dismissed-pleas-drop-jeffrey-epstein-saying-loyal/)
Duke of York pictured inside mansion of convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/18/duke-york-pictured-inside-mansion-convicted-paedophile-jeffrey/)
Prince Andrew 'appalled' by Jeffrey Epstein's sex abuse claims - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49390871)
Prince Andrew speaks out regarding recent media reports ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-prince-andrew-speaks-out-for-the-first-time-regarding-recent-media-reports-128919/)
The Sunday Papers spell further trouble for Prince Andrew ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/the-sunday-papers-spell-further-trouble-for-prince-andrew-128814/)
Quote from: Curryong on August 20, 2019, 03:43:20 AM
A nice posting, supposedly for the RF far far away, as with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor during WW2 when he was Governor of the Bahamas in order to keep him out of trouble. The trouble is there are very few positions of that sort available nowadays. Is St Helena (where Napoleon was imprisoned) still available? There's always the chalet in Switzerland I suppose, and a generous allowance...
there's no need for him ot have a "nice posting". He should just be completely retired from royal duties... and he and Fergie should ideally live abroad.. and only visit to see the girls and the queen
Quote from: amabel on August 20, 2019, 06:47:44 AM
there's no need for him ot have a "nice posting". He should just be completely retired from royal duties... and he and Fergie should ideally live abroad.. and only visit to see the girls and the queen
But the Queen is very soft when it comes to Andrew. I don't know that she could be strong enough to do it.
Quote from: amabel on August 20, 2019, 06:47:44 AM
there's no need for him ot have a "nice posting". He should just be completely retired from royal duties... and he and Fergie should ideally live abroad.. and only visit to see the girls and the queen
amabel, I have to agree with you! This one is a whopper! >(
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 20, 2019, 09:41:43 PM
But the Queen is very soft when it comes to Andrew. I don't know that she could be strong enough to do it.
Princess Cassandra, I agree with this as well. :coy:
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 20, 2019, 09:41:43 PM
But the Queen is very soft when it comes to Andrew. I don't know that she could be strong enough to do it.
She will have to be. I think that Andrew' in spite of his faults had a good side.. but this one is a not something that the RF can or should tolerate.. and I can't see anything to do but to insist that he is out of working royal life. I think that Charles has wanted to put him out of the working RF for some time now.. and he will probably do that when he is king
Quote from: amabel on August 21, 2019, 07:27:00 AM
She will have to be. I think that Andrew' in spite of his faults had a good side.. but this one is a not something that the RF can or should tolerate.. and I can't see anything to do but to insist that he is out of working royal life. I think that Charles has wanted to put him out of the working RF for some time now.. and he will probably do that when he is king
Since he is denying at this point that he had sex with an underage female, the big question is obviously whether or not he is telling the truth. If it turns out he is NOT telling the truth, or if it can never be proven either way, I hope the Queen's advisors will help her understand what she needs to do. On her own I think she would have a hard time not supporting her much-loved son. But in all fairness it is POSSIBLE that he IS telling the truth, that Epstein cultivated a royal friendship without involving Andrew in sex with underage girls....since he was divorced it wouldn't be illegal to have sex with someone old enough. If he could prove himself innocent it's hard to say what they would do. He would still be an embarrassment and would not be able to have the high profile he now has.
It doesn't matter IMO. I dnt think he did have sex with under aged girls... (at least not knowingly). However he has continued a friendship with Epstein after he knew what Ep was up to, that he had a criminal conviction.. and he also seems to have brought Epstein to Royal households like Balmoral and to have secured a loan from him to help Sarah.. All this is IMO very bad behaviour and even if he has not broken the law, I think it is time they put him firmly on the back burner. I've tended to support Andrew in the past, not over this but in terms of feeling that he has his good points and has been a loyal friend to Fergie..but this whole Epstein affair is not something one can over look. whether his loyalty to Epstein was because of stupidity and poor judgement or whether it was because he wanted to cultivate him for financial reasons it is a step too far and He has to step down..
IMHO the title of this article should highlight Andrew's association with Epstein over the Sussexes and Zara Tindall.
By royal disappointment: Meghan and Harry?s behaviour is undermining the monarchy | The Spectator (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/by-royal-disappointment-meghan-and-harrys-behaviour-is-undermining-the-monarchy/)
QuoteAugust on Royal Deeside. Soft rain falls without cease on the Caledonian pine forests, it soaks into the ancient peatlands and it darkens the pelts of the red deer chewing heather out on the moor. Behold the beauty and the glory of the Scottish land and skies, from deep inside a luxurious estate where the troubles of the world melt into this velvety panorama. Certainly, one has always found this to be the case. One has taken peaceful refuge here every summer since one was one. However, one?s tranquillity is being tested this year, most sorely.
Recent newspaper headlines and strident television bulletins will have made uncomfortable reading and viewing for the Queen during her annual holiday at Balmoral. Fresh revelations about the Duke of York?s friendship with the late Jeffrey Epstein are causing further embarrassment in a snowballing scandal that threatens to engulf her beleaguered second son. Eco-warriors the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have been criticised for taking four private jet flights in 11 days, two of them paid for by Elton John. Yet they see no hypocrisy in their elitist, planet-destroying travel plans.
Errr...sorry but Andrew's decisions are likely to have a far more serious affect on the monarchy than those of the Sussexes and Zara.
QuoteMeanwhile it has been revealed that a Hong Kong businessman has being paying fistfuls of dollars to willing royals for years. Dr Jonny Hon gives a ?100,000 stipend to Zara Tindall to advise him on horse racing matters (?it?s over there, the one with four legs?) and has given almost ?300,000 to the Duchess of York for ?marketing and promotion? and being a non-executive director of his film company (?pass me the paperclips?). In return he gets lots of lovely handshaking access to the Windsors ? and he certainly seems pleased with his deal.
Inside Balmoral Castle, in the canyons of my mind, a 93-year-old woman switches on both bars of the electric fire in her sitting room and shivers as she buttons up the cardigan of her twinset. For HM the Queen is feeling a distinct chill in the air that has nothing to do with the weather; a change in the climate that has little to do with greenhouse gases. As several of her children and grandchildren continue to disport themselves like the entitled spawn of a dodgy Eurotrash autocrat, perhaps she must be asking herself: is any of this my fault?
Okay...a tad overdramatic IMHO as I don't see who the "several" children and grandchildren are that she would be referring to as "the entitle spawn of a dodgey Eurotrash autocrat" in this paragraph. :wacko: :unsure:
Yes, I agree, TLLK. As far as Andrew is concerned I think he certainly should allow himself to be questioned by New York authorities with regard to what he knew about Epstein's activities. And IMO I believe that said authorities should take a serious look at Ghislaine Maxwell and her part in Epstein's activities.
As for Fergie, did she ever intend to pay back the loan from Epstein, I wonder? She certainly seems adept at receiving money from billionaires with little effort on her part. What exactly was she doing and who was she providing access to in the Johnny Hon affair? $300,000 is a lot for seemingly very little.
Ghislaine Maxwell made secret visits to Buckingham Palace to see Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7389319/Ghislaine-Maxwell-secret-visits-Buckingham-Palace-Prince-Andrew.html)
Prince Andrew 'has had more than 1,000 lovers' but would never sleep with teenagers, friends claim | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7389181/Prince-Andrew-1-000-lovers-never-sleep-teenagers-friends-claim.html)
Duke of York never slept with teenagers and also he had 1,000 lover
Duke of York's 'fears over being drawn into civil proceedings' against the estate of Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7388847/Duke-Yorks-fears-drawn-civil-proceedings-against-estate-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Jeffrey Epstein 'madam' in secret Palace visits to see Prince Andrew, claims ex-cop - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeffrey-epstein-madam-secret-palace-18995392)
Prince Andrew 'got foot massage from young woman at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-got-foot-massage-18989117)
Prince Andrew ?has had more than 1,000 lovers? but does not sleep with teenagers, close friends claim ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9787493/prince-andrew-slept-with-1000-women/)
Prince Andrew is ?too scared to return to the US? and fears being dragged into multi-million dollar Jeffrey Epstein lawsuits ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9788445/prince-andrew-never-return-to-us-jeffrey-epstein-lawsuits/)
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Duke of York should 'answer questions,' father of alleged Epstein victim says (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/22/duke-york-should-answer-questions-father-alleged-epstein-victim/)
That article about him having 1000 lovers is absolutely disgusting. Either he doesn't understand the severity of this situation, or he doesn't care. That he or someone close to him think that this is the right time to "brag" that he's had that many lovers, and that because of that, that he's not involved. What kind of reasoning is that? There are pictures and videos of him around Epstein, and more stories by the day. Let's see where this leads to.
Absolutely sickening.
Obviously his friend can't deny that Andrew likes sex.. and since his divorce he has had a busy sex life... But it does not mean that he's slept with under age girls. But his association with Epstein is enough to damn him..
Double post auto-merged: August 24, 2019, 10:51:32 AM
I've always thoguth that although Andrew didn't initially want the end of the marriage.. (that was Fergie) once he had decided on it, it suited him very well. He did not get much media attention once he and Fergie were divorced.. He was never all that popular.. and as she became very unpopular.. the press did still have a go at her by times but largely I think left Andy alone.. and he was able to do his work and carry on a busy sex life without too much media attention. I think he has always been fond of his wife and has remained close to her.. but would never remarry her.. and he was happy enough with the situation of having her as a friend and the mother of his children.. but being free to take as many lovers as he liked and not being noticed by the press until these scandals came up. However I think a problem has been that Fergie is hopeless with money and ANdy himself grew more greedy for money and got invovled iwht rich and dubious people in order to build up a fortune for himself and for Sarah. which was probably one of the reasons he remained close to Epstein
Quote from: amabel on August 24, 2019, 10:40:13 AM
Obviously his friend can't deny that Andrew likes sex.. and since his divorce he has had a busy sex life... But it does not mean that he's slept with under age girls. But his association with Epstein is enough to damn him..
My point was, why the need to bring up his alleged number of lovers during this time? And use it as a way to point out that he couldn't possibly be involved because of that.
Let the courts decide instead.
Because no one could say that Andrew has led a monk's life. It would be ridiculous to defend him by saying that. But its possible to say "yes he likes the ladies, he has had a lot of lovers but he's never gone in for very young girls."
Quote from: amabel on August 24, 2019, 10:40:13 AM
Obviously his friend can't deny that Andrew likes sex.. and since his divorce he has had a busy sex life... But it does not mean that he's slept with under age girls. But his association with Epstein is enough to damn him..
Double post auto-merged: August 24, 2019, 10:51:32 AM
I've always thoguth that although Andrew didn't initially want the end of the marriage.. (that was Fergie) once he had decided on it, it suited him very well. He did not get much media attention once he and Fergie were divorced.. He was never all that popular.. and as she became very unpopular.. the press did still have a go at her by times but largely I think left Andy alone.. and he was able to do his work and carry on a busy sex life without too much media attention. I think he has always been fond of his wife and has remained close to her.. but would never remarry her.. and he was happy enough with the situation of having her as a friend and the mother of his children.. but being free to take as many lovers as he liked and not being noticed by the press until these scandals came up. However I think a problem has been that Fergie is hopeless with money and ANdy himself grew more greedy for money and got invovled iwht rich and dubious people in order to build up a fortune for himself and for Sarah. which was probably one of the reasons he remained close to Epstein
Andrew had a window of being popular when he was in the military and before his involvement with Sarah Ferguson.
He was reasonably popular in the first year or 2 of marriage to sarah..He had been seen as arrogant and stupid, then the Falklands War gave him a bit of popularity and when he and Sarah Married, they looked like a likable couple ofr a short time. But Andrew's essential arrogance did not go away and before very long Sarah had made herself look foolish and unpopular and within a few years she was not liked by the Press and on her way towards divorce..
They were super popular during the engagement and the early years of the marriage. The Queen liked Fergie and they went riding together. And Fergie and Andrew were called "funloving" with a "lot in common" and it was a "love match."
Prince Andrew releases lengthy? statement to ?end speculation? ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-prince-andrew-releases-lenghhy%e2%80%8b-statement-to-end-speculation-129378/)
QuoteThe Duke of York has released a lengthy statement in an effort to end speculation surrounding his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
In the 250 word statement, Prince Andrew further apologised for seeing Epstein after his release from prison in 2010.
Quote from: sandy on August 24, 2019, 12:31:57 PM
They were super popular during the engagement and the early years of the marriage. The Queen liked Fergie and they went riding together. And Fergie and Andrew were called "funloving" with a "lot in common" and it was a "love match."
It did not last very long.. By the time Beat was born, Fergie's popularity was on the wane.. and the marriage was in trouble within a couple more years. But that pales in view of what's happened now with both of them involved in scandal
I recall after Bea was born she was criticized for looking "awkward" during the pictures of her with Andrew and Beatrice when they left the hospital.
Woody Allen is pictured leaving Jeffrey Epstein's mansion after lavish party in the royal's honor | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7391265/Woody-Allen-pictured-leaving-Jeffrey-Epsteins-mansion-lavish-party-royals-honor.html)
Prince Andrew spent six days at Jeffrey Epstein's home two years after he was convicted | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7391369/Prince-Andrew-spent-six-days-Jeffrey-Epsteins-home-two-years-convicted.html)
French prosecutors could summon Prince Andrew to Paris to help with probe into Epstein rape claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7391363/French-prosecutors-summon-Prince-Andrew-Paris-help-probe-Epstein-rape-claims.html)
Prince Andrew 'flew on Jeffrey Epstein's 'Lolita Express' private jet with Miss Russia | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7391741/Prince-Andrew-flew-Jeffrey-Epsteins-Lolita-Express-private-jet-Miss-Russia.html)
Prince Andrew says he NEVER witnessed behaviour that led to Jeffrey Epstein's conviction | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7390393/Prince-Andrew-says-NEVER-witnessed-behaviour-led-Jeffrey-Epsteins-conviction.html)
Prince Andrew releases lengthy statement regarding his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein - read it here | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019082476894/prince-andrew-releases-statement-regarding-his-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein/)
Prince Andrew Denies Witnessing Jeffrey Epstein's Criminal Abuse | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-denies-having-witnessed-suspected-criminal-behavior-jeffrey-epstein/)
Prince Andrew: I did not suspect Epstein's behaviour - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49460263)
Prince Andrew breaks silence on Epstein: I never 'saw, witnessed or suspected' anything illegal (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/24/prince-andrew-breaks-silence-epstein-never-saw-witnessed-suspected/)
Prince Andrew speaks out over Epstein friendship: 'It was a mistake and an error' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1169716/Prince-Andrew-statement-jeffrey-Epstein-royal-family-latest)
Prince Andrew says 'at no stage' did he 'see or suspect' criminal behaviour by convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-24/duke-of-york-insists-he-never-suspected-paedophile-jeffrey-epstein/)
None of Andrew's lengthy statement explains how he could have stayed, however infrequently, in houses where kinky pictures were hung on walls and where young girls were frequent visitors without asking himself some questions. Such as, why are these young girls visiting a middleaged bachelor's house without parents or anyone accompanying them.
IMO, and it is only my opinion, Andrew knew exactly what sort of person Epstein was and what his sexual proclivities were and it was fine with him, at least partly because Andrew and Fergie like money and Epstein was a very wealthy and influential man. Andrew can wriggle and issue statements all he likes. In my eyes things were by no means as innocent and clearcut as he makes them out to have been.
Him feigning ignorance sounds unbelievable to me.
Is he ignoring the advisors, or are they all in denial about the seriousness of the situation he is in?
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on August 24, 2019, 10:26:39 AM
That article about him having 1000 lovers is absolutely disgusting. Either he doesn't understand the severity of this situation, or he doesn't care. That he or someone close to him think that this is the right time to "brag" that he's had that many lovers, and that because of that, that he's not involved. What kind of reasoning is that? There are pictures and videos of him around Epstein, and more stories by the day. Let's see where this leads to.
Absolutely sickening.
@oak_and_cedar This situation is horrible. It does make me very sad for HM after a lifetime of good work, such behavior by her son reflects badly on the family. I wonder how they are going to deal with this scandal, the dark clouds hanging over Andrew are only getting darker by the day.
the queen has not helped matters IMO by being so indulgent with Andrew. I think she should have been more wary about the marriage to Sarah as Sarah while not a bad person.. is stupid and self indulgent to an appalling degree.. And I think that Andrew after his marriage to Sarah got involved in S's "greedy money loving" lifestyle.. and being a divorced man, whom the papers largely ignored he was free to lead the free and easy sexual lifestyle that he got involved in which led to the friendship with Epstein. And the queen did not handle it wisely.. She should have insisted that once the initial scandal broke years ago, Andrew completely dropped Epstein and cut back on his royal work.. just doing a modicum.. Instead she seems ot have reverted to her ostriching ways and still gave gestures of support to him which made it clear that he was still the indulged favourite and that he coud get away wth foolish behaviour...
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Quote from: sandy on August 24, 2019, 12:31:57 PM
They were super popular during the engagement and the early years of the marriage. The Queen liked Fergie and they went riding together. And Fergie and Andrew were called "funloving" with a "lot in common" and it was a "love match."
I would nto say they were ever super popular. They caught some of the glamour of "Chalres and Diana".. who were the glowing couple at the time. Fergie was lively and not bad looking.. and Andrew while not overly loved, was away a lot so he didn't cause a downer in the popularity stakes. For a year or so maybe, they seemed an attractive young couple who seemed more lively ad "In love" than Charles and Diana who were already seeming to have Problems. But within a fairly short time their pouplarty began to ebb. Andy was not around and he was never really liked that much by the press Because he was always arrogant...and then Fergie's uncertain dress sense, her loud silly manner, her being overweight when Diana was super slim.. and fashionably dressed.. began to eat away at her popularity. Then when she left Beatrice to go and follow Andy in his ship she began to look pretty silly.. and by the time she was having Eugenie the marriage was already in trouble and Fergie was beginning to seem too undignified to be a royal Duchess...
As I recall they were popular during the engagement and the early years And Charles even said to DIana why can't you be more like Fergie. She did have an early faux pas though when she mugged outrageously during her wedding to Andrew though at that time she was considered "fun" and a "breath of fresh air.'.
Quote from: sandy on August 26, 2019, 10:22:04 AM
As I recall they were popular during the engagement and the early years And Charles even said to DIana why can't you be more like Fergie. She did have an early faux pas though when she mugged outrageously during her wedding to Andrew though at that time she was considered "fun" and a "breath of fresh air.'.
Popular yes but not super popular. Fergie looked like the "support Act" to the absolutley adorable Diana. And as she and Di were good friends then, Sarah got some of the glamour of Dis popularity. But even early on, Sarah got things wrong and began to look less than a wonderful Duchess. There was the Bachelor party wit the dressing as Policewomen. her and Diana poking friends up the backside.. Fergie's gushy silly manner..It began to look less like Sarah being fun and lively and more like Sarah beign stupid and vulgar. I think that the leaving Beatrice business was when Sarah's popularity began to take a slide. There was also an issue that she wrote a childrens book and said she would donate some of the royalties to charity but she didn't and the book was said to be plagiraised.. There was the builing of "SouthYork".. considered extravagant and tasteless...
Quote from: amabel on August 26, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
Popular yes but not super popular. Fergie looked like the "support Act" to the absolutley adorable Diana. And as she and Di were good friends then, Sarah got some of the glamour of Dis popularity. But even early on, Sarah got things wrong and began to look less than a wonderful Duchess. There was the Bachelor party wit the dressing as Policewomen. her and Diana poking friends up the backside.. Fergie's gushy silly manner..It began to look less like Sarah being fun and lively and more like Sarah beign stupid and vulgar. I think that the leaving Beatrice business was when Sarah's popularity began to take a slide. There was also an issue that she wrote a childrens book and said she would donate some of the royalties to charity but she didn't and the book was said to be plagiraised.. There was the builing of "SouthYork".. considered extravagant and tasteless...
Yes, to all of the above. I've never been a Sarah Ferguson supporter, but I have to admit her loyalty to Andrew is genuine.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 26, 2019, 03:52:26 PM
Yes, to all of the above. I've never been a Sarah Ferguson supporter, but I have to admit her loyalty to Andrew is genuine.
Is it?? I would say that it is very self interested. Shes hung around in his life. living with him after their divorce, and using his friendship with Epstein to get money.
I think she is out for herself and opportunistic. I am questioning if this is all due to devotion to Andrew.
Quote from: Blue Clover on August 26, 2019, 02:05:21 AM
@oak_and_cedar This situation is horrible. It does make me very sad for HM after a lifetime of good work, such behavior by her son reflects badly on the family. I wonder how they are going to deal with this scandal, the dark clouds hanging over Andrew are only getting darker by the day.
HM should have put her foot down with regards to Andrew at the very least when that monster went to trial the first time. Who knows how much more there is to this story?
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on August 26, 2019, 07:37:12 PM
HM should have put her foot down with regards to Andrew at the very least when that monster went to trial the first time. Who knows how much more there is to this story?
rather late in the day now.. and she still hasn't done anything.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/royalreporter/status/1166239133515362305?s=21)
QuoteAs we revealed on August 20, Prince Andrew is willing to talk to the police. But the Metropolitan Police has reviewed its 2015 decision not to investigate the same allegations that Virginia Roberts Giuffre was sex trafficked and decided that was correct. So it?s down to the FBI
A hearing a few hours ago in New York was packed three deep with Epstein's victims. Virginia Roberts Dueffre issued a statement at it. 'Andrew knows what he did' and appealed to him to come clean about his activities.
Prince Andrew 'knows what he's done', says Epstein sex accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-knows-what-hes-done-says-epstein-sex-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-11795666)
UGH...leaving this thread alone for awhile. These women were the same age as my daughter and her friends just a few years ago. :fuming:
Quote from: amabel on August 26, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
the queen has not helped matters IMO by being so indulgent with Andrew. I think she should have been more wary about the marriage to Sarah as Sarah while not a bad person.. is stupid and self indulgent to an appalling degree.. And I think that Andrew after his marriage to Sarah got involved in S's "greedy money loving" lifestyle.. and being a divorced man, whom the papers largely ignored he was free to lead the free and easy sexual lifestyle that he got involved in which led to the friendship with Epstein. And the queen did not handle it wisely.. She should have insisted that once the initial scandal broke years ago, Andrew completely dropped Epstein and cut back on his royal work.. just doing a modicum.. Instead she seems ot have reverted to her ostriching ways and still gave gestures of support to him which made it clear that he was still the indulged favourite and that he coud get away wth foolish behaviour...
I wish you had been the Queen's advisor back them, this is good advice. It would have kept him out of the awful mess he's in today. :goodpost:
Prince Andrew really does need to "come clean" as his victim Virginia said today. I feel so bad for all of the very young women who were victimized.
'He knows what he's done': Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre calls out Prince Andrew - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-27/he-knows-what-he-s-done-alleged-epstein-victim-virginia-giuffre-calls-out-prince-andrew/)
Driving away his troubles: Prince Andrew's relaxed golf round as he unwinds away from Epstein drama | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7400475/Driving-away-troubles-Prince-Andrews-relaxed-golf-round-unwinds-away-Epstein-drama.html)
He and Fergie jetted back to London.
He and Fergie's gluttonous ways, (inocent or not related to pedophilia), that need to hang out with Billionaire Celebrities, Grabbing Moneys, Freebies, etc. is a firm warning to the young royals; William, Harry and their cousins.
Those of Andrew's generation including his older brother would be welcomed by wealthy people to be guests in their homes. Charles used to stay with Armand Hammer a controversial person. they need to avoid this sort of thing.
Quote from: wannable on August 30, 2019, 01:34:26 PM
He and Fergie jetted back to London.
He and Fergie's gluttonous ways, (inocent or not related to pedophilia), that need to hang out with Billionaire Celebrities, Grabbing Moneys, Freebies, etc. is a firm warning to the young royals; William, Harry and their cousins.
@wannable-While all royals have had brief or long term friendship/acquaintances with the celebrities of their time, I would hope that QEII has had a serious chat with everyone to be extra careful about whom they are spending their private time with and to thoroughly vet anyone who is associated with their charities and patronages.
Quote from: TLLK on August 30, 2019, 01:55:36 PM
@wannable-While all royals have had brief or long term friendship/acquaintances with the celebrities of their time, I would hope that QEII has had a serious chat with everyone to be extra careful about whom they are spending their private time with and to thoroughly vet anyone who is associated with their charities and patronages.
She should have a serious chat with Andrew.. But it does not appear that she's taking tis as seriously as she should...
She should have had a serious chats for years now, but mostly ostriches. And not just with Andrew.
Prince Andrew returns to royal duties ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-returns-to-royal-duties-129860/)
Prince Andrew returns to the UK for ?crisis talks? with his aides ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-returns-to-the-uk-for-crisis-talks-with-his-aides-129863/)
Epstein: The problem that isn't going away for Prince Andrew - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-28/epstein-the-problem-that-isn-t-going-for-prince-andrew/)
I don't think this is going to just go away. I think Prince Andrew will have to face the music one day.
Several of Andrew's engagements has been cancelled by the organizer. This action could encourage others to do the same when it comes to Andrew.
Prince Andrew engagements in Northern Ireland cancelled in wake of Epstein scandal | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-engagements-in-northern-ireland-cancelled-in-wake-of-epstein-scandal-11801621)
QuoteSeveral of Prince Andrew's public engagements in Northern Ireland have been cancelled, as a direct result of recent publicity about his relationship with the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.
Sky News understands that organisers withdrew their invitations, with one expressing concerns that his presence would "change the narrative" surrounding their event.
One of the events would have involved a ceremony at Portrush railway station which has just had a ?5m upgrade. The other venues have not been confirmed by government officials for security reasons. The decision to cancel was taken by the hosts, rather than the Royal Household.
Yes, it's rather humiliating for Andrew, but if the organisers of the events felt that way then it's their prerogative to act on it. If the scandal about Epstein continues then more organisations may well do the same.
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Incidentally, this article shows some of the tracking of Epstein's travels over the years. It's been something of a mystery as to how Andrew and Epstein met. However, Fergie comes into the picture earlier according to this. Long before he was known as a friend of Andrew's Epstein flew to meet, guess who, Fergie! They speculate that it was on 'business'. Now what business could a Duchess bring that would interest such a man. And how could he reward her for it? Cash for access, perhaps?
Mystery over when Prince Andrew first met Jeffrey Epstein as flight logs detail close friendship (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mystery-over-when-prince-andrew-first-met-jeffery-epstein-as-flight-logs-detail-close-friendship)
Andrew's YouGov popularity continues to see him at 15th out of 15 with only 21% of the voters having a favorable rating, 36% have a negative rating and the remainder is a neutral impression of him.
Prince Andrew, Duke of York popularity & fame | YouGov (https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Prince_Andrew_Duke_of_York)
Quote from: Curryong on September 03, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
Yes, it's rather humiliating for Andrew, but if the organisers of the events felt that way then it's their prerogative to act on it. If the scandal about Epstein continues then more organisations may well do the same.
Double post auto-merged: September 03, 2019, 11:54:51 PM
Incidentally, this article shows some of the tracking of Epstein's travels over the years. It's been something of a mystery as to how Andrew and Epstein met. However, Fergie comes into the picture earlier according to this. Long before he was known as a friend of Andrew's Epstein flew to meet, guess who, Fergie! They speculate that it was on 'business'. Now what business could a Duchess bring that would interest such a man. And how could he reward her for it? Cash for access, perhaps?
Mystery over when Prince Andrew first met Jeffrey Epstein as flight logs detail close friendship (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mystery-over-when-prince-andrew-first-met-jeffery-epstein-as-flight-logs-detail-close-friendship)
"it is getting curiouser and curiouser." :censored2:
Quote from: Curryong on July 26, 2019, 04:23:06 AM
Yes, Andrew and Epstein were probably friendly but it wasn't just friendship. According to filed documents Andrew was a passenger on Epstein's private plane, like Pres Clinton and other prominent men, and flew to his island which had luxury accommodation. Young girls serviced the men on this island and elsewhere all over the world.
Virginia Roberts, the 17year old Andrew was photographed with, testified that she was flown to England and other places. She was ordered to have sex with Andrew on at least three occasions.
Epstein was and is nothing but a pimp in my estimation, and there was more than a hint of blackmail in his interactions with 'friends' IMO. He's a nasty piece of work and I hope he serves a proper sentence in NY when he's convicted this time, not treated as if he's at a holiday resort as he was years ago under the Florida prison system. He's already received neck injuries while in jail on remand in NY which is unacceptable, but I just hope he gets a long sentence this time.
The only question is, can Ms. Roberts be believed, and can the report be believed? I do not like to question someone who has been brave enough to step forward about being sexually abused, but lately I find I cannot believe most of what is reported.
Andrew was seen going in and out of his homes. Virginia Roberts I doubt is going to lie about anything like this. What on earth was Andrew doing there in the first place. This should be pursued. The man involved committed suicide under mysterious circumstances, Andrew guilty or not is associated with a very notorious person.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 04, 2019, 03:17:20 AM
The only question is, can Ms. Roberts be believed, and can the report be believed? I do not like to question someone who has been brave enough to step forward about being sexually abused, but lately I find I cannot believe most of what is reported.
why what she and the other (now) women says cant to be believed?
Quote from: dianab on September 05, 2019, 12:23:13 AM
why what she and the other (now) women says cant to be believed?
If there is no physical evidence and no credible witnesses, the allegations are impossible to prove. That is what makes things like this so sad...a young woman may be in the right but many times it cannot be proved.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 17, 2019, 02:37:14 AM
If there is no physical evidence and no credible witnesses, the allegations are impossible to prove. That is what makes things like this so sad...a young woman may be in the right but many times it cannot be proved.
\Ther is a difference between can't be proved and can't be believed...
Quote from: amabel on September 17, 2019, 07:23:03 AM
\Ther is a difference between can't be proved and can't be believed...
Yes, the one can get you into severe legal troubles, and the other can damage your reputation irretrievably. I think Andrew has most likely been deemed guilty in the court of opinion, and I agree that he should no longer be participating in royal work. However, I'm pretty sure the Queen is not currently looking at it this way.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 19, 2019, 06:09:08 PM
Yes, the one can get you into severe legal troubles, and the other can damage your reputation irretrievably. I think Andrew has most likely been deemed guilty in the court of opinion, and I agree that he should no longer be participating in royal work. However, I'm pretty sure the Queen is not currently looking at it this way.
She may be hoping it will blow over if she says nothing and does not make any changes.. Possibly it will but only in one sense.. Anew will always be somewhat damaged by this whole thing
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 17, 2019, 02:37:14 AM
If there is no physical evidence and no credible witnesses, the allegations are impossible to prove. That is what makes things like this so sad...a young woman may be in the right but many times it cannot be proved.
that doesnt changes what those women went through ... there are definitely credible witnesses.... and definitely it isnt without evidence... there are many people telling the same things... happened a investigation... justice was on their (victim) sides
Quote from: dianab on September 20, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
that doesnt changes what those women went through ... there are definitely credible witnesses.... and definitely it isnt without evidence... there are many people telling the same things... happened a investigation... justice was on their (victim) sides
I said IF there are no credible witnesses or evidence. I would not presume to know any of the details of the case. I also noted how sad it is for women who have been reaped when it can't be legally proven. I agree that having no proof doesn't change what they went through - it just serves to hurt them all over again.
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I remember the rumors about Andrew remarrying and he dated "suitable" young women. If he wanted to remarry he should have dated women instead of finding women through Epstein.
Quote from: sandy on September 21, 2019, 03:09:42 PM
I remember the rumors about Andrew remarrying and he dated "suitable" young women. If he wanted to remarry he should have dated women instead of finding women through Epstein.
What rumours about him remarrying? I cant remember any stories about him "dating suitable young women" after his divorce. I always go the impression that while he may have had some relationships that were not "just sex".. a lot of the time his sex life was carried on, in private and the press simply weren't that interested in him any more... so he could enjoy a private life iwhtout pressure...
Some years ago he dated this younger woman and there was talk of his wanting to remarry. I remember this was discussed on this very board and there was talk of his having a son by a possible remarriage (hypothetical) to inherit the Duke of York title.
Quote from: sandy on September 21, 2019, 03:25:18 PM
Some years ago he dated this younger woman and there was talk of his wanting to remarry. I remember this was discussed on this very board and there was talk of his having a son by a possible remarriage (hypothetical) to inherit the Duke of York title.
I've heard of his having had a few girlfriends - but my impression was that "Fergie vetted his gilrlfriends and It was unlikely that he would remarry.!
and Im sure he did not want to. Its pretty clear that Andrew found divorce gave him back his bachelor freedom and he could have a good time without restrictions.. and the press by nad large left him alone in the post Fergie years.
I don't know if Fergie vetted all of them. SHe was looking for a possible remarriage and was serious about someone but it went nowhere.
Quote from: sandy on September 21, 2019, 03:30:32 PM
I don't know if Fergie vetted all of them. SHe was looking for a possible remarriage and was serious about someone but it went nowhere.
I daresay she did scare off a few women.. I doubt if anyone would want to marry a man, even a prince, who had his ex still living in his house..
But I think that while Andy did not initialy want to lose Fergie when he made up his mind to get a divorce, he realised that he was in a good positon. He was not popular with the meida so they left him alone.. and he was single.. so he was free to fool around as much as he liked, and was not followed by the press.. when he used Epstein to find girls for him.
The more I hear about Prince Andrew, the more I see why Fergie was his only wife. It is odd that no one wanted to seriously date or marry him after Fergie.
I remembered the Press carrying on about Andrew maybe marrying again after his divorce and found this VF article. Of the women spoken about in the media in those years the most serious was undoubtedly Amanda Staveley. There were a few articles that spoke of an immediate engagement. He had invited her to Balmoral, she'd been seen at Sandringham, met the Queen, etc etc. Then, suddenly it was all off. Don't know what happened.
However, I don't think it would have been Fergie's interference. There have been periods over the years when Andrew has been irritated by his ex wife, and I remember years ago reading an article that quoted an insider saying that when Andrew brings a girlfriend home (presumably an adult one) Sarah knows she is to make herself scarce.
This is from a VF article. Forgive me for not posting the link. It was brought up to date and went on and on for paragraphs about his scandals past and present. However...
Marrying Prince Andrew (Sue Arnold, June 1986)
Later, Andrew moved into Royal Lodge, the late Queen Mother?s residence in Windsor Great Park, where he continued to live with his former wife and their daughters, Princess Beatrice, 22, and Princess Eugenie, 21. However, this has not put a crimp into Andrew?s sybaritic style. He?s been rumored to be romantically linked to more than a dozen women, including the American actress Angie Everhart and Amanda Staveley, a successful private-equity specialist to whom he proposed marriage.
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Amanda Staveley - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Staveley).
How surprising that Andrew was interested in a financial high flyer with plenty of money and Middle Eastern business interests, lol!
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Women linked to Andrew over the years.
Ladies who have been romantically linked with Prince Andrew: in pictures - Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11326473/Ladies-who-have-been-romantically-linked-with-Prince-Andrew-in-pictures.html?frame=3155002)
"sybaritic style":
sybaritic [ˌsibəˈridik] ADJECTIVE
fond of sensuous luxury or pleasure; self-indulgent.
"their opulent and sybaritic lifestyle"
synonyms:
luxurious - extravagant - pampered - lavish - self-indulgent - pleasure-seeking - sensual - voluptuous - hedonistic - epicurean - lotus-eating - libertine - debauched
I feel like someone who came late to the party!
@Curryong Thank you for posting the article, I learned many new things about Andrew since the Epstein trial. I had no idea he had this sybaritic style of dating! :eyes:
Yes, most of those synonyms describe Andrew perfectly!
I still don't think that Andrew would have remarried.. I think a bachelor life (with as we now know) a man like Epstein to provide girls).. suited him fine.. even if he sometimes had a more in depth relationship. And I don't think he would ever have completely detached from Fergie.. so while some women might enjoy some kind of "relationship" with Andrrew I think they would baulk at actual marriage to someone whose ex wife was still likely to be around
I think it would have been difficult for Fergie to make any inroads if ANdrew remarried and started a "second family" with the hypothetical second wife.
Quote from: sandy on September 22, 2019, 12:59:19 PM
I think it would have been difficult for Fergie to make any inroads if ANdrew remarried and started a "second family" with the hypothetical second wife.
Very hypothetical IMO. Andrew may have had a few girlfirends.. that maybe he did consider remarriage with ..but I dotn think he really wanted another formal commitment.. He had his children
. He had Fergie around at times.. and he had his freedom. WHy tie himself up in marriage again? He had plenty of "real girlfriends" if he wanted them and plenty of girls who were avaialabe for a purely sexual fling...
And if he had ever considered remarriage seriuosly, I don't think that any woman would really want him that badly that she would put up with his louche ways AND with Sarah hanging around
@Curryong @amabel @sandy :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:
All these latest posts are interesting...but they don't paint a very pretty picture of the DofY. Sad.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 26, 2019, 03:00:34 AM
All these latest posts are interesting...but they don't paint a very pretty picture of the DofY. Sad.
he was n ever a very attractive individual. He has good qualities.. he was more loayal and still is to Fergie than she deserves and I tink he is a good father. But he has that attitude to women that certain kinds of women are there for hm to have fun with and he does not seem to worry that they may be pressured into it by economic or other factors
Quote from: amabel on September 26, 2019, 07:20:57 AM
he was n ever a very attractive individual. He has good qualities.. he was more loayal and still is to Fergie than she deserves and I tink he is a good father. But he has that attitude to women that certain kinds of women are there for hm to have fun with and he does not seem to worry that they may be pressured into it by economic or other factors
At one time he was. When he entered the Royal Navy he was extremely handsome and there was no negativity (before he was called Randy Andy). He was seen in a positive light. And of course he was a hero in the Falkland's, but by then he had a reputation.
He has his own shortcomings so his breakup with Fergie probably was due to issues for both of them.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 26, 2019, 05:12:19 PM
At one time he was. When he entered the Royal Navy he was extremely handsome and there was no negativity (before he was called Randy Andy). He was seen in a positive light. And of course he was a hero in the Falkland's, but by then he had a reputation.
He was always arrogant and full of himself. and before long he had a reputation as bouncing from girl to girl..and then he married Fergie. THat gave boht of them a lilte bit of popularity.. but it didn't last long..
FBI 'probes Prince Andrew link to Jeffrey Epstein' and 'won't dismiss claims because he is a royal' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7516595/FBI-probes-Prince-Andrew-link-Jeffrey-Epstein-wont-dismiss-claims-royal.html)
Here we go. I guess we all knew this was coming.
I wonder if Bea and Edo will have to be "low key" now and I wonder how this will impact wedding plans
Quote from: sandy on September 29, 2019, 09:40:16 PM
I wonder if Bea and Edo will have to be "low key" now and I wonder how this will impact wedding plans
We have wait and see till wedding will have big or small neither options it?s Beatrice decisions have wedding in London because of HM Queen still survival I?m mention on Beatrice?s engagement thread
Quote from: sandy on September 29, 2019, 09:40:16 PM
I wonder if Bea and Edo will have to be "low key" now and I wonder how this will impact wedding plans
I have been wondering the same thing, Sandy. I would guess that the wedding plans are going to go forward now in hopes that the Epstein mess won't be in full bore at the same time. Your thoughts?
Prince Andrew refuses to answer questions as his trip to Perth is overshadowed by Epstein scandal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7527911/Prince-Andrew-refuses-answer-questions-trip-Perth-overshadowed-Epstein-scandal.html)
Don?t say anything about that kept quiet and zipit 🤐🤫
I guess he is judged now by a higher authority, which is far more important than any court of law. I just think it's sad that his accusers won't have their day in court. Regarding Ms. Roberts, I hope she has witnesses regarding being forced to have sex, because otherwise that must be a difficult thing to prove.
Prince Andrew must talk to the FBI about Jeffrey Epstein abuse, lawyer demands - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-must-talk-fbi-20587178)
Prince Andrew should be questioned by the FBI under oath about his friendship with paedo Jeffrey Epstein, victim?s lawyer claims ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10146138/prince-andrew-fbi-under-oath-jeffrey-epstein/)
I certainly agree that he should, and of course the attorneys are saying he must....but that will be for the court to decide, not them.
I believe he made a statement that if he is formally required, he will go.
And just in case people didn't notice, with all the 'concern' of the RF towards Meghan and Harry and the RR's helping with that PR spin, there was a Channel 5 doco on British TV about Andrew participating in orgies on Epstein island. The Telegraph was the only one that had an article about it, with all the 'concern' wafting the Sussexes' way from the so empathetic and kind hearted BRF and British tabloids, so Mummikins was no doubt greatly relieved.
Also, a recent article from an ex MP about the mysterious source of Andrew's wealth over the years, the oligarchs, the uber expensive gold watches, sports cars etc...
But no, no, mustn't forget, the Sussexes are the big problem in the BRF. Forget the association with pedophilia, the vulgar and unfaithful, money-grubbing, merching ex wife, the shadowy friends. Avert your eyes from corruption and its practices by a monarch's son. Just worry about what 'the Sussexes are doing to the monarchy!'
Former MP NORMAN BAKER asks how the Duke of York could buy a ?13million ski chalet | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7591869/Former-MP-NORMAN-BAKER-asks-Duke-York-buy-13million-ski-chalet.html)
The problem is Andrew placed the ball to the USA court months ago, officially stating if he was required, he will go. The law hasn't served him, subpoena, warrant so far.
His entire reputation is in the toilet in the Court of Public Opinion, and has been for years. It started years ago when stories of his boorishness leaked out. Then he became known as AirMiles Andy and after that broadsheets began doing articles about his friendships with oligarchs and about some very curious sources of his personal wealth.
My reply had to do with the why Andrew is not discussed. One will see him front page news IF he gets served, that's the real deal. Make him speak at a court hearing.
Quote from: wannable on October 23, 2019, 04:03:11 AM
The problem is Andrew placed the ball to the USA court months ago, officially stating if he was required, he will go. The law hasn't served him, subpoena, warrant so far.
He denies everything. He did comment on it. Despite the clear evidence he was associating with Epstein
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Quote from: Curryong on October 23, 2019, 03:41:45 AM
And just in case people didn't notice, with all the 'concern' of the RF towards Meghan and Harry and the RR's helping with that PR spin, there was a Channel 5 doco on British TV about Andrew participating in orgies on Epstein island. The Telegraph was the only one that had an article about it, with all the 'concern' wafting the Sussexes' way from the so empathetic and kind hearted BRF and British tabloids, so Mummikins was no doubt greatly relieved.
Also, a recent article from an ex MP about the mysterious source of Andrew's wealth over the years, the oligarchs, the uber expensive gold watches, sports cars etc...
But no, no, mustn't forget, the Sussexes are the big problem in the BRF. Forget the association with pedophilia, the vulgar and unfaithful, money-grubbing, merching ex wife, the shadowy friends. Avert your eyes from corruption and its practices by a monarch's son. Just worry about what 'the Sussexes are doing to the monarchy!'
Former MP NORMAN BAKER asks how the Duke of York could buy a ?13million ski chalet | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7591869/Former-MP-NORMAN-BAKER-asks-Duke-York-buy-13million-ski-chalet.html)
I agree. I see no implications that Andrew must go get help Right Away he's obviously disturbed. Harry complains about the media and he must go Now. For help. One standard for Harry one for Andrew
Andrew does not need "help".. he needs to be firmly and forcibly retired..
I think he could use some help.
Quote from: sandy on October 23, 2019, 02:47:55 PM
I think he could use some help.
what sort of help? He has done something very foolish and wrong.. He knows that it is wrong and he's too bull headed to admit it or tactily accept that he was in te wrong... and that he should step down from his royal duties. What sort of help is he supposed to have?
No comment.
I don't understand. His problems are very different to Harry's. H is unhappy and depressed.. he can get help for htat.. Andrew is arrogant and wilful and there is no help for that.
The accusations?
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One thing I would truly hate to see is that the accused do not all receive equal treatment and punishment. When there are different legal systems, couldn't that happen? And on a different note, it sure looks like Andrew has some "splaining to do", but we have to remember that, although he's been proven guilty in the court of public opinion, he has not been proven guilty as yet in a court of law.
Prince Andrew has many friends in high places and they are trying their best to help him,
@cassandra I hope justice is served to those who are guilty.
Duke of York Prince Andrew hires investigators to analyse pictures of Epstein and Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7618461/Duke-York-Prince-Andrew-hires-investigators-analyse-pictures-Epstein-Virginia-Roberts.html)
Last night on an American television channel an attorney for the Epstein family made a case for murder rather than suicide. He noted several factors in the case, including DNA on the necktie, the fact that both guards on duty were asleep, that the video cameras were not functioning, and most of all, the injuries to the neck were not consistent with hanging but are consistent with strangulation. If these things are true we will be hearing a lot more about it.
Wow! It does sound like many people would've been hurt if he ever decided to spill the beans about his friends in high places. I think if they can prove he was murdered, we will hear a lot more about this case. What a sad story!
Quote from: Blue Clover on November 04, 2019, 05:16:19 AM
Wow! It does sound like many people would've been hurt if he ever decided to spill the beans about his friends in high places. I think if they can prove he was murdered, we will hear a lot more about this case. What a sad story!
You are absolutely right, Blue Clover. The attorney mentioned other things, too, like how fast the body was removed. Epstein was far from an exemplary person, but certainly there were many on power trips who availed themselves of his services, and they are just as guilty. There is a lot of corruptness in American politics - those who seek high office are often on a power and money trip and think they are exempt form "the rules". I don't like to think about the dirty laundry mess this could display for all to see, but if indeed he WAS murdered, it must have public exposure if we have any hope to discourage such pernicious and immoral behavior. And will we ever know? Those in high places also influence the press.
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Royals ?threatened ABC over Epstein?
ABC News US is facing questions about its apparent reluctance to air a story about paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew after a leaked video emerged
Twitter (https://twitter.com/i/status/1191790293382774784)
This is so strange, 3 years ago the British Media (2015) broke the news for days on end, front page for days on end, etc. So now the anchor from USA ABC says basically the Queen threatened them (2015).
She also says she ''couldn't'' interview William and Kate?! Madness. This couple aren't 'keen' on interviews.
Amy Robach: ABC killed Jeffrey Epstein expose due to royals | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7651987/Amy-Robach-reveals-ABC-killed-Jeffrey-Epstein-expose-fears-Prince-William-Kate.html)
Cant air televised in America and world in front of monarchy and members of royal family and also victims of Jeffrey Epstein?s but answer is NO!! But the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will not allowed air televised interviews on Duke of York must kept quiet!! Don?t says anything about that 🤐🤫
QuoteA Buckingham Palace spokesperson said this is a matter for ABC.
Amy Robach Explains Leaked Jeffrey Epstein Video | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/tv/amy-robach-walks-back-jeffrey-epstein-video/)
If Amy is correct in her assertions that ABC received threats from BP to kill the Epstein/Prince Andrew story, this is indeed disturbing. It sounds to me that the 'we wouldn't be able to interview William and Kate' is an excuse by executives on a par with the 'who is Epstein, nobody knows him' argument put forward by them.
I would be reluctant to assume that the Palace would act in this way with a foreign broadcaster, but who knows. There are many things done behind the scenes that don't see the light of day for years.
Everyone at BP knows that they can't control the feral British tabloids but officials there may have felt that an aggressive approach from them to an American broadcaster might put executives off enough that the story would be killed for the time being, and that is what seems to have happened.
Amy's statement that she was given incriminating photographs from Virginia and back up from other girls regarding Andrew is puzzling, considering we have only seen the one now notorious photo of Andrew and Virginia together. Where are the others that haven't been seen?
Quite, she has no excuse, show it.
BP was requested comment and said its ABC matter. Somehow the defiance tells me Amy is lying.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on November 04, 2019, 03:28:38 PM
You are absolutely right, Blue Clover. The attorney mentioned other things, too, like how fast the body was removed. Epstein was far from an exemplary person, but certainly there were many on power trips who availed themselves of his services, and they are just as guilty. There is a lot of corruptness in American politics - those who seek high office are often on a power and money trip and think they are exempt form "the rules". I don't like to think about the dirty laundry mess this could display for all to see, but if indeed he WAS murdered, it must have public exposure if we have any hope to discourage such pernicious and immoral behavior. And will we ever know? Those in high places also influence the press.
I like the way you stated this Princess Cassandra! :goodpost:
Yes, there must be a proper inquiry into what happened to Epstein. Justice demands that the US and indeed British public get some answers. It's all very unsettling. I think most conspiracy theories are just that but the combination of circumstances that occurred at the prison on the day of Epstein's death just don't make sense.
Jeffrey Epstein: ABC stopped report 'amid Palace threats' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50296742)
US news anchor claims Buckingham Palace 'threatened' them to stop Epstein interview from airing (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/05/us-news-anchor-claims-buckingham-palace-threatened-order-stop/)
Statements from both Amy and ABC.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EInik4GX0AAR-S8?format=jpg&name=900x900
I knew there was something fishy (It wasn't aired, because the ABC lawyers told her and the ABC executives that there was Virginia's accusations with No Sufficient evidence) about her claim to fame. The ABC statement implies the TV station and individuals may have been sued by different parties by mentioning i.e. Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew. (William and Kate for the fantasy claim of not being able to interview them, lol)
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ETA: Her apology to BP is she said what she said because she was frustrated. I think with ABC's statement ''not all are reporting met standards'' , BP will feel it's enough to not pursue further comment.
Disclaimer: I'm all for justice, transparently from any party.
Jeffrey Epstein sex slave Virginia Roberts says Prince Andrew should be in jail in interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7653245/Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-says-Prince-Andrew-jail-interview.html)
Quote from: sara8150 on November 06, 2019, 04:00:15 PM
Jeffrey Epstein sex slave Virginia Roberts says Prince Andrew should be in jail in interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7653245/Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-says-Prince-Andrew-jail-interview.html)
If she is telling the truth (it does sound like she is) I hope she will continue to speak out and not be intimidated. Unfortunately, the rich and powerful have ways the likes of which the rest of us are completely ignorant.
Yes, I agree. Answers are needed.
ABC's Amy Robach skips work and heads to the gym, following her explosive hot mic revelation | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7657033/ABCs-Amy-Robach-skips-work-heads-gym-following-explosive-hot-mic-revelation.html)
ABC News leak raises questions about unaired interview with Epstein accuser | Media | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/06/abc-news-leak-raises-questions-about-unaired-interview-with-epstein-accuser)
They can Do their first The Bad Prince film for +16 as Disney owns the network.
More on ABC....
Read here: CBS News Fires Staffer Who Had Access to Leaked Hot Mic Video of Amy Robach Revealing Network Spiked Epstein Story (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/cbs-news-fires-staffer-who-had-access-to-leaked-hot-mic-video-of-amy-robach-revealing-network-spiked-epstein-story/)
Basically the staffer who leaked the inside ABC tape was fired, the person had moved to CBS, ABC notified CBS, the later fired the person. The above article mashes up another alleged ''fake news'' created by ABC years ago during the candidate Donald Trump with the Russians, which caused the market to slump (Dow Jones), henceforth the above statements I linked from both Amy and ABC, generally stating the Epstein story she wanted to put out 3 years ago did not have sufficient evidence to throw it out there to the public, directly in reference to Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew. Lesson: The sh storm ABC had with the not so evidential breaking news of DT when he was a candidate causing the network to get in deep trouble with the law and a slump in reputation, the favorite word in media to date #fakenews. LOL.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on November 03, 2019, 04:44:01 PM
Last night on an American television channel an attorney for the Epstein family made a case for murder rather than suicide. He noted several factors in the case, including DNA on the necktie, the fact that both guards on duty were asleep, that the video cameras were not functioning, and most of all, the injuries to the neck were not consistent with hanging but are consistent with strangulation. If these things are true we will be hearing a lot more about it.
I bring this up again because I find it very disturbing. Has anyone else seen this in the news? There hasn't been any other mention of it in any news that I can tell. Why wouldn't SOMEONE be addressing this very disturbing piece of news...if it is bogus, why hasn't someone explained and refuted. If it is true, why isn't anyone mentioning it. I would hate to keep thinking about it if it isn't true...even more, I would hate to see a cover up.
Yes, I have seen it on TV. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist but several very odd things were supposedly going in that section where Epstein was being held on the day in question, incidents that should certainly be investigated. The one thing though that makes me pause about this story is the fact that a lawyer for the Epstein family is involved.
Quote from: Curryong on November 11, 2019, 06:59:31 AM
Yes, I have seen it on TV. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist but several very odd things were supposedly going in that section where Epstein was being held on the day in question, incidents that should certainly be investigated. The one thing though that makes me pause about this story is the fact that a lawyer for the Epstein family is involved.
Yes, I agree. And in this situation that lawyer has mentioned several "facts" that should be easy to confirm or refute. So that is why I am asking why they have not even been mentioned. I have not seen anyone rebutting them. I have not seen anyone discussing them; yet, they are very disturbing and we should be seeing something about them. I, like you, am not a conspiracy theorist (well put, by the way), but when no response is made it makes me very uneasy.
Andrew sat down yesterday in BP for a recorded interview with BBC 2 to answer questions about the Epstein matter for the first time. It's a world exclusive. Andrew must be getting desperate about the way he is being perceived nowadays.
Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1195220166088577025)
^^^Yes he must be at this point in time. I wonder if there have been other events that have been quietly canceled.
Very likely, but he tweets daily like if nothing. The strategy of keep busy (innocent) rather than hide (auto guilty).
I'm not so sure this sort of interview was a good idea.
Prince Andrew speaks publicly about his relationship with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7688777/Prince-Andrew-speaks-publicly-relationship-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
He did asked his mom the HM Queen for permission interview
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Prince Andrew to address Jeffrey Epstein scandal in no holds barred TV interview | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019111580628/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-bbc-newsnight-interview/)
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Prince Andrew to talk on TV about his links to Jeffrey Epstein ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-to-talk-on-tv-about-his-links-to-jeffrey-epstein-133433/)
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Prince Andrew speaks to BBC about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50431163)
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Prince Andrew to be quizzed on Epstein in Newsnight special | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/15/prince-andrew-to-be-quizzed-on-epstein-in-newsnight-special)
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Prince Andrew gives BBC world exclusive 'no holds barred' interview over Jeffrey Epstein | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1204799/Prince-Andrew-BBC-news-night-interview-emily-maitlis-jeffrey-epstein)
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Virginia Roberts' lawyer BLASTS Prince Andrew for talking to BBC over Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7690791/Virginia-Roberts-lawyer-BLASTS-Prince-Andrew-talking-BBC-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Prince Andrew Gives Interview About His Ties to Jeffrey Epstein | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-gives-no-holds-barred-interview-about-his-ties-to-jeffrey-epstein/)
Why has Prince Andrew decided to bare all about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein? - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-15/why-has-prince-andrew-decided-to-bare-all-about-his-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein/)
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When is the Prince Andrew interview on the BBC? Where to watch interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-andrew-interview-bbc-watch-20889893)
Prince Andrew's secret ploy to protect himself in 'uncomfortable' Jeffrey Epstein interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/prince-andrews-ploy-protect-himself-20886956)
Prince Andrew to break silence on Jeffrey Epstein scandal in ?no holds barred? BBC interview ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10331071/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-interview-bbc/)
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'Andrew is a true gentleman': Sarah Ferguson praises her ex-husband the Duke of York | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7691201/Andrew-true-gentleman-Sarah-Ferguson-praises-ex-husband-Duke-York.html)
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Sarah Ferguson shares emotional message in support of Prince Andrew ? see what she said | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019111580665/sarah-ferguson-shares-emotional-message-of-support-prince-andrew/)
Prince Andres said that he has "no recollection" of meeting Virginia Roberts. I wonder how this is going to turn out?
Lawyer says Prince Andrew should give interview under OATH | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7690791/Virginia-Roberts-lawyer-BLASTS-Prince-Andrew-talking-BBC-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
There was a famous scandal (and a court case emanating from it) called the Profumo Affair in the UK in the 1960s. One of the girls involved, who had taken part in sex romps at Clivedon, the famous country house where Profumo and others had gathered, when told that Viscount Astor had no recollection of meeting her, remarked 'Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?' That riposte became famous, and is probably applicable here as well.
I'm more and more reminded of that case, with its very young women, sex and older influential men, and lies and corruption, as this thing goes on.
Quote from: Curryong on November 16, 2019, 12:15:47 AM
There was a famous scandal (and a court case emanating from it) called the Profumo Affair in the UK in the 1960s. One of the girls involved, who had taken part in sex romps at Clivedon, the famous country house where Profumo and others had gathered, when told that Viscount Astor had no recollection of meeting her, remarked 'Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?' That riposte became famous, and is probably applicable here as well.
I'm more and more reminded of that case, with its very young women, sex and older influential men, and lies and corruption, as this thing goes on.
I've heard about that - it was a famous case, I know. I agree it seems similar, except that in this case there is the possibility of enabling a prison murder followed by a cover up. I hope not, and I'm not saying it's true, but there is a big question and nobody is answering.
Quote from: Curryong on November 16, 2019, 12:15:47 AM
There was a famous scandal (and a court case emanating from it) called the Profumo Affair in the UK in the 1960s. One of the girls involved, who had taken part in sex romps at Clivedon, the famous country house where Profumo and others had gathered, when told that Viscount Astor had no recollection of meeting her, remarked 'Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?' That riposte became famous, and is probably applicable here as well.
I'm more and more reminded of that case, with its very young women, sex and older influential men, and lies and corruption, as this thing goes on.
Curryong,
That's where I heard that response to an accusation. I remember reading about the Profumo case, it ended badly for a few men involved.
Prince Andrew could do better than simply saying he has no recollection? :no: I think it was a mistake not to own up to spending time with this young woman. If he told the truth in that interview, once the public got over the shock he could work to redeem himself. If he is found to be covering the truth, the public may never forgive him. He needs to be very careful about how he handles this situation.
It would depend I suppose on how the British public would view a man who was around forty having a romance with a seventeen year old. Some might not be too impressed. And we have to remember the interview of another girl who alleged that she was sitting on the sofa at Epstein's mansion and Andrew was present and touched her breasts. He didn't know her at all.
Considering the reputation that Epstein had a long time prior to 2001 and then his court case, then the wise thing to have done was to have not become friends with this grub in the first place. It's plain from what's come out since that all Epstein wanted (and what the majority of his conversation was about) was girls, (the younger the better), and sex.
To want to even become friendly with someone of that kind and stay with him in his houses where anything went, shows a lack of judgement or character or something, on Andrew's part that is truly staggering.
Why would he do an interview claiming his innocence but not cooperate with government officials? Out of all of this, I think his main concern is not becoming a social pariah. IMO. Too late though.
Yes, Sarah, 'a true gentleman' who hangs about with convicted sex offenders. And you yourself have been a recipient of that grubby person's generosity, haven't you? How was the stay on the island and being flown there by private plane? Did you ever pay back that loan he gave you?
And Sarah, it's always best to schmooze an ex who offers you sanctuary in his own Royal home, and who pretends with you for PR that you and he are still in love and going to remarry. Especially when you know perhaps a little too much about his private affairs than has been strictly comfy for him over the years. And the title's always been good for TV or public speaking gigs, hasn't it?
Quote from: Curryong on November 16, 2019, 02:06:32 AM
It would depend I suppose on how the British public would view a man who was around forty having a romance with a seventeen year old. Some might not be too impressed. And we have to remember the interview of another girl who alleged that she was sitting on the sofa at Epstein's mansion and Andrew was present and touched her breasts. He didn't know her at all.
Considering the reputation that Epstein had a long time prior to 2001 and then his court case, then the wise thing to have done was to have not become friends with this grub in the first place. It's plain from what's come out since that all Epstein wanted (and what the majority of his conversation was about) was girls, (the younger the better), and sex.
To want to even become friendly with someone of that kind and stay with him in his houses where anything went, shows a lack of judgement or character or something, on Andrew's part that is truly staggering.
I agree! :goodpost: Epstein was a total grub (a new word for me :D ) and Andrew should have stayed away from him.
Prince Andrew tells BBC he was being 'honourable' by staying with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7692371/Andrew-says-felt-staying-billionaire-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-right-thing-do.html)
Sarah Ferguson calls Prince Andrew 'giant of a principled man' amid Jeffrey Epstein sex allegations | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7692835/Sarah-Ferguson-calls-Prince-Andrew-giant-principled-man-amid-Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-allegations.html)
Prince Andrew STILL can't remember photo with Jeffrey Epstein's teenage 'sex slave' Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7691373/Prince-Andrew-remember-photo-Jeffrey-Epsteins-teenage-sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts.html)
Princess Eugenie touches down in New York as her father Andrew says he regrets staying in the city | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7692921/Princess-Eugenie-touches-New-York-father-Andrew-says-regrets-staying-city.html)
Prince Andrew says he has 'no recollection of ever meeting' Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/prince-andrew-recollection-meeting-epstein-accuser-virginia-giuffre-67052344)
https://www.today.com/popculture/prince-andrew-says-he-let-royal-family-down-his-relationship-t167417
https://www.today.com/video/prince-andrew-speaks-out-about-his-ties-to-jeffrey-epstein-73588293639
Prince Andrew says he has "no recollection" of meeting Epstein accuser - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-epstein-tells-bbc-he-has-no-recollection-of-meeting-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-2019-11-15/)
Who is Prince Andrew: Jeffery Epstein-linked royal that has long made headlines - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-prince-andrew-jeffery-epstein-linked-royal-that-has-long-made-headlines-2019-11-15/)
I let the royal family down by hanging out with Epstein, Prince Andrew says - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/uk/prince-andrew-epstein-gbr-intl/index.html)
Prince Andrew: The Queen's 'favorite' child embroiled in the Epstein scandal - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/uk/prince-andrew-queen-jeffrey-epstein-scli-intl-gbr/index.html)
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Prince Andrew admits 'I let the side down' over friendship with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/15/prince-andrew-admits-let-side-friendship-paedophile-jeffrey/)
Prince Andrew says he was 'too honourable' in his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-says-he-let-the-side-down-over-his-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein-11862371)
Prince Andrew: I thought staying with Epstein was 'honourable thing' | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/prince-andrew-believed-staying-with-jeffrey-epstein-right-thing-to-do)
Top lawyer calls Prince Andrew BBC interview 'a catastrophic error' | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/top-lawyer-calls-prince-andrew-bbc-interview-catastrophic-error)
Prince Andrew on friendship with Jeffrey Epstein: I let royals down | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/15/prince-andrew-on-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-i-let-royals-down)
Prince Andrew ?not taking it seriously? as interview will ?come back to haunt him? -expert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205252/prince-andrew-epstein-news-bbc-interview-royal-family-latest)
Sarah Ferguson says time for Prince Andrew to ?stand firm? against Epstein claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205176/prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-BBC-interview-jeffrey-epstein-royal-news-latest)
Prince Andrew says he ?let down? Queen with Epstein friendship and admits 'daily' anguish | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205082/prince-andrew-jeffery-epstein-bbc-newsnight-interview-virginia-roberts-emily-matlis-royal)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205323/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-news-bbc-interview-royal-family-latest-royal-aides-warned
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205300/Prince-Andrew-Emily-Maitlis-Jeffrey-Epstein-Princess-Beatrice-wedding
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205156/prince-andrew-epstein-bbc-interview-princess-diana-panorama
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205122/prince-andrew-jeffery-epstein-scandal-bbc-newsnight-interview-virginia-roberts-royal
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205157/prince-andrew-jeffery-epstein-scandal-latest-bbc-newsnight-interview-emily-maitlis
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205129/prince-andrew-epstein-interview-regret-bbc-royal-family-news
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205084/prince-andrew-interview-bbc-jeffrey-epstein-friendship-emily-maitlis
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-says-he-stayed-at-jeffrey-epsteins-mansion-because-in-hindsight-he-was-too-honourable-133499/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/queen/the-queen-gave-her-approval-for-prince-andrew-to-give-tv-interview-133484/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/sarah-ferguson-praises-prince-andrews-honesty-ahead-of-his-major-tv-interview-with-emily-maitlis-133467/
@sara8150 Thanks for all the articles! :flower: It doesn't look like this is going away anytime soon!
No it doesn't look like going away at all, and the general consensus online from everyone I've read is that the interview at BP was an absolute disaster. I haven't read one single person saying that they have become convinced of Andrew's innocence through his demeanour or his statements in it. One person wrote that if she had a dollar for every time he evaded or ducked a question and weaved or denied then was corrected, she'd be able to pay for a nice lunch!
It might be a good idea if both he and his 'ever-loving' ex and defender holed themselves up in their Swiss chalet for the next twenty years or so, IMO.
Curryong,
Wow! I thought this interview would fail but I bet Andrew thought otherwise. That's the sad part, he probably really believed that one interview would separate himself from the situation and he could then go back to his Royal duties. He also paraded Fergie out in front of the media to say "this giant of a principled man."
I really like your idea of Fergie and Andrew moving to a Swiss chalet, it would certainly save the Queen any more embarrassment.
I don't think the Queen feels embarrassment about Andrew. She believes his denials of doing anything wrong sexually, I'm sure. Otherwise there wouldn't be the beaming smiles from both in their car on the way to Church and he wouldn't have been chosen as her escort on the recent British Legion Concert.
However Royah Nikka of The Times is reporting that Andrew's recently hired spin doctor threw up his hands and left after he clashed with the Duke's Private Sec. There was a lot of debate among Andrew's team about how to stop the damage. She was eager to see her boss do this interview and the spin doctor advised against it. Guess who won!
The Duke has been touchy of late it seems. He accused KP early last month (according to The Times) of leaking negative items about him.
The Queen's aides were alarmed about Andrew doing this interview and CH felt it wasn't a good idea either, according to the same source, The Times. So, happy times among the Royal Households!
Now this has gone down like a lead balloon, Beatrice can say goodbye to any expensive wedding of TV coverage of it, at least, according to most people online.
Quote from: Curryong on November 17, 2019, 03:32:15 AM
I don't think the Queen feels embarrassment about Andrew. She believes his denials of doing anything wrong sexually, I'm sure. Otherwise there wouldn't be the beaming smiles from both in their car on the way to Church and he wouldn't have been chosen as her escort on the recent British Legion Concert.
However Royah Nikka of The Times is reporting that Andrew's recently hired spin doctor threw up his hands and left after he clashed with the Duke's Private Sec. There was a lot of debate among Andrew's team about how to stop the damage. She was eager to see her boss do this interview and the spin doctor advised against it. Guess who won!
The Duke has been touchy of late it seems. He accused KP early last month (according to The Times) of leaking negative items about him.
The Queen's aides were alarmed about Andrew doing this interview and CH felt it wasn't a good idea either, according to the same source, The Times. So, happy times among the Royal Households!
Now this has gone down like a lead balloon, Beatrice can say goodbye to any expensive wedding of TV coverage of it, at least, according to most people online.
I like that!! Beatrice?s wedding would embarrassment for her own dad on interview,no tv coverage and expect expensive lavish wedding,
@Curryong Prince Andrew speaks publicly for first time about relationship with Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693471/Prince-Andrew-speaks-publicly-time-relationship-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Prince Andrew responds to says Falklands War left him unable to sweat | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693675/Prince-Andrew-responds-says-Falklands-War-left-unable-sweat.html)
Prince Andrew says he met Ghislaine Maxwell months ago - despite 'cutting off contact' with Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693745/Prince-Andrew-says-met-Ghislaine-Maxwell-months-ago-despite-cutting-contact-Epstein.html)
ANGELA LEVIN: How DID our Royal Family come to this? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7693409/ANGELA-LEVIN-DID-Royal-Family-come-this.html)
ELIZABETH DAY: You are not the victim, Andrew - the real victims are invisible to you | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7693403/ELIZABETH-DAY-not-victim-Andrew-real-victims-invisible-you.html)
Woking Pizza Express is flooded with witty reviews in the wake of Prince Andrew interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7694003/Woking-Pizza-Express-flooded-witty-reviews-wake-Prince-Andrew-interview.html)
Friend of sex accuser Virginia Roberts hits out at Prince Andrew for 'total lack of empathy' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693929/Friend-sex-accuser-Virginia-Roberts-hits-Prince-Andrew-total-lack-empathy.html)
Prince Andrew's PR guru Jason Stein 'quit two weeks ago' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693639/The-women-bombshell-Prince-Andrew-interview-happen-Newsnight-producers-convinced-him.html)
Prince Andrew Opens Up About His Friendship With Jeffrey Epstein In Bombshell Interview | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-denies-accusations/)
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Prince Andrew 'categorically' denies sex claims - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50446065)
Prince Andrew on Epstein: 'There was no indication' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-50446392/prince-andrew-on-epstein-there-was-no-indication)
Prince Andrew interview: 'I don't remember this' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-50446997/prince-andrew-interview-i-don-t-remember-this)
As it happened: Prince Andrew Newsnight interview on allegations - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-50447028)
Prince Andrew: 'I couldn't have slept with Virginia Roberts-Giuffre, I was at Pizza Express' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/16/prince-andrew-couldnt-have-slept-virginia-roberts-giuffre-pizza/)
Prince Andrew: 'I don't regret our friendship, but it's been a constant sore' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/16/prince-andrew-interview-dont-regret-jeffrey-epstein-friendship/)
Prince Andrew denies sex with 17-year-old: 'I went to Pizza Express that day' | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-denies-sex-with-17-year-old-i-went-to-pizza-express-that-day-11862902)
Prince Andrew: It might not be my hand in photo with 17-year-old | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/video/prince-andrew-it-might-not-be-my-hand-in-photo-with-17-year-old-11863036)
Prince Andrew: I didn?t have sex with teenager, I was at home after pizza party | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/prince-andrew-denies-sex-with-teenager-as-at-home-after-pizza-party)
High-stakes gamble on TV interview over Epstein backfires on Duke of York | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/high-stakes-gamble-on-tv-interview-over-epstein-backfires-on-duke-of-york)
Transcript: Prince Andrew on the Epstein scandal | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/transcript-prince-andrew-on-the-epstein-scandal)
What is the excuse for this misogynistic nonsense served up in a gilded chamber? | Catherine Bennett | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/prince-andrew-what-is-the-excuse-for-this-misogynistic-nonsense-served-up-in-a-gilded-chamber)
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Prince Andrew health: Being shot at in Falklands War gave him 'peculiar' sweat condition | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205433/prince-andrew-health-shot-falklands-war-condition-newsnight-interview)
Piers Morgan hits out at ?toe-curling bulls***? from Prince Andrew ?insane? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205458/piers-morgan-twitter-prince-andrew-bbc-interview-newsnight-royal-news)
Prince Andrew invited Epstein to Princess Beatrice's 18th birthday AFTER warrant issued | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205452/Princess-Beatrice-news-Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-Sarah-Ferguson-BBC-royal-news)
Prince Andrew questions if Virginia Roberts photo is FAKE as he 'doesn?t hug as a royal' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205440/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-photo-fake-bbc-interview-jeffrey-epstein-royal-news)
Royals told Prince Andrew to cut all ties with Epstein 'I had to show leadership' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205438/royal-family-news-prince-andrew-epstein-the-queen-sarah-ferguson-prince-charles)
Prince Andrew: I don't recall meeting accuser, I don't recall photo and I deny any sexual contact whatsoever - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-16/prince-andrew-i-don-t-recall-meeting-accuser-i-don-t-recall-photo-and-i-deny-any-sexual-contact-whatsoever/)
PR expert on Duke of York interview: It was like watching a man in quicksand - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-16/pr-expert-on-duke-of-york-interview-it-was-like-watching-a-man-in-quicksand/)
Duke?s bid to defend reputation after Epstein scandal branded ?disastrous? - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-16/dukes-bid-to-defend-reputation-after-epstein-scandal-branded-disastrous/)
Prince Andrew: I do not regret my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, even now ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-i-do-not-regret-my-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-even-now-133507/)
Prince Andrew: I can?t have had sex with Virginia Roberts because I was at Pizza Express ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-i-cant-have-had-sex-with-virginia-roberts-because-i-was-at-pizza-express-133514/)
Prince Andrew reveals peculiar medical condition in BBC interview ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-reveals-peculiar-medical-condition-in-bbc-interview-133521/)
Praise for Emily Maitlis following her forensic interview of Prince Andrew ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/praise-for-emily-maitlis-following-her-forensic-interview-of-prince-andrew-133529/)
Prince Andrew says he stayed at Jeffrey Epstein?s mansion because in hindsight he was ?too honourable? ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-says-he-stayed-at-jeffrey-epsteins-mansion-because-in-hindsight-he-was-too-honourable-133499/)
Prince Andrew: I do not regret my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, even now ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-i-do-not-regret-my-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-even-now-133507/)
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Prince Andrew denies having sex with underage teen - because he can?t sweat - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-denies-having-sex-20897365)
Prince Andrew interview slammed by PR guru: 'I've never seen anything so disastrous' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pr-expert-never-seen-anything-20898306)
Piers Morgan brands Prince Andrew interview 'desperate toe curling bulls**t' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/piers-morgan-brands-prince-andrew-20898066)
Prince Andrew interview: Read the full transcript as royal defends friendship with paedophile - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-interview-read-full-20898538)
Prince Andrew slammed for saying paedo friend acted in a 'manner unbecoming' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-slammed-saying-paedo-20898112)
Phil Dampier: Prince Andrew's interview just like Princess Diana's Panorama confessions - Phil Dampier - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/phil-dampier-prince-andrews-interview-20897459)
Voice of The Sunday Mirror: Prince Andrew's TV quiz raises new doubts - Voice of the Mirror - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/voice-sunday-mirror-prince-andrews-20897579)
Prince Andrew 'didn't have sex with accuser as he was at Pizza Express with Beatrice' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-didnt-sex-accuser-20897916)
Prince Andrew 'doesn't recall' photo with accuser because he 'doesn't hug' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-doesnt-recall-photo-20897912)
Prince Andrew interview recap: Duke 'has no regrets' over Epstein friendship - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-interview-live-duke-20895964)
Prince Andrew has 'no recollection' of meeting teen girl - despite this picture - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-no-recollection-meeting-20893743)
Prince Andrew says he stayed at paedo Epstein's home because he was 'too honourable' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-says-stayed-paedo-20893349)
Fergie tweets support for 'real gentleman' Prince Andrew ahead of Epstein interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fergie-tweets-support-real-gentleman-20891671)
Prince Andrew: Pizza Express swamped with fake reviews after royal's BBC interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-pizza-express-swamped-20898348)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/medical-expert-baffled-prince-andrews-20898592
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-says-friendship-paedo-20898530
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10360234/prince-andrew-epstein-interview-virginia-roberts/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10361721/prince-andrew-bbc-interview-jeffrey-epstein-empathy/
NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.
Quote from: sandy on November 17, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.
Damn and oh Wow!!😯😧😲😬🤐🤫🤔
Piers Morgan brands Prince Andrew 'insane' for agreeing to disastrous TV interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7694523/Piers-Morgan-brands-Prince-Andrew-insane-agreeing-disastrous-TV-interview.html)
Prince Andrew addresses Jeffrey Epstein scandal as Sarah Ferguson publicly supports him | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019111780693/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-scandal-sarah-ferguson-supports-royal/)
sounds like no one has a good word to say for Andrew after this
Quote from: Curryong on November 17, 2019, 03:32:15 AM
I don't think the Queen feels embarrassment about Andrew. She believes his denials of doing anything wrong sexually, I'm sure. Otherwise there wouldn't be the beaming smiles from both in their car on the way to Church and he wouldn't have been chosen as her escort on the recent British Legion Concert.
However Royah Nikka of The Times is reporting that Andrew's recently hired spin doctor threw up his hands and left after he clashed with the Duke's Private Sec. There was a lot of debate among Andrew's team about how to stop the damage. She was eager to see her boss do this interview and the spin doctor advised against it. Guess who won!
The Duke has been touchy of late it seems. He accused KP early last month (according to The Times) of leaking negative items about him.
The Queen's aides were alarmed about Andrew doing this interview and CH felt it wasn't a good idea either, according to the same source, The Times. So, happy times among the Royal Households!
Now this has gone down like a lead balloon, Beatrice can say goodbye to any expensive wedding of TV coverage of it, at least, according to most people online.
Good post! She may be in denial about her beloved Prince Andrew but that may not be enough to protect him in the long run. Do you think there will be any damage to the Crown and ultimately the Queen because of this Epstein scandal?
@sara8150 Thank you for posting all the articles! So many articles are being written!
Quote from: sandy on November 17, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.
It looks like this will rub off on the wedding plans and preparation.
Though not an Andrew fan, I feel uncomfortable about reading all the press comments. I look forward to the legal process to see if he is guilty or not; this interview doesn't sway me either way. Though I'm not sure why, he doesn't express himself in the same way most of us do. He comes off as arrogant, and I'm not sure that he really is. He is showing that he comes from a different culture, a holdover from a time when royals never were wrong or apologized for anything. He is out of step, but that tells us nothing about his guilt.
he is guilty of association with a man who behaved vilely, trafficking and procuring yong girls for sex. He should have quietly retired and the queen should have insisted on this. It seems like she still thinks far too well of Andrew...
This quote is a "gem":
"He added that the photograph appeared as though it had been taken upstairs in Ghislaine Maxwell's house, and said that was somewhere he never went - in another questioning remark about the image.
'Listen, I don?t remember, I don?t remember that photograph ever being taken,' he said.
'I don?t remember going upstairs in the house because that photograph was taken upstairs.'
And referring to his hand in the photograph, he said: 'From the investigations that we?ve done, you can?t prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not
because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph.
'So it?s very difficult to be able to prove it but I don?t remember that photograph ever being taken.' "
Prince Andrew responds to says Falklands War left him unable to sweat | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693675/Prince-Andrew-responds-says-Falklands-War-left-unable-sweat.html)
The infamous picture was a "photograph of a photograph of a photograph" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So he did his own investigations and came up with theories but still won't cooperate with the authorities.
He needs to leave the RF IMO. Him and his ex-wife only care about themselves it seems. Shameful.
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Quote from: sandy on November 17, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
NY Post today reports that a British designer turned down Bea re: creating the wedding gown. Because of her father.
His entire family are on their way of becoming social outcasts. I am merely speculating but who knows if there will even be a wedding? I can't imagine someone wanting to be associatiated with in-laws that have accusations like these hanging over them.
The Queen looks elegant in a turquoise ensemble as attend a Sunday service in Windsor | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7694831/The-Queen-looks-elegant-turquoise-ensemble-attend-Sunday-service-Windsor.html)
HM Queen not pleasure on Duke of York?s scandal and interview!!
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Prince Andrew Opens Up About His Friendship With Jeffrey Epstein In Bombshell Interview | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-denies-accusations/)
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Prince Andrew stands by 'car-crash' Jeffrey Epstein BBC interview - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50450207)
Prince Andrew BBC interview: Six things we learned - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50451953)
Prince Andrew's Newsnight interview branded 'disastrous' and 'excruciating' | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrews-newsnight-interview-branded-disastrous-and-excruciating-11863130)
Prince Andrew on the photograph, meeting the sex offender and the four-day house stay | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-on-the-photograph-meeting-the-sex-offender-and-the-4-day-house-stay-11863167)
Prince Andrew had the chance to say his relationship with Epstein was a mistake - but he didn't | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-had-the-chance-to-say-his-relationship-with-epstein-was-a-mistake-but-he-didnt-11863280)
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Prince Andrew interview: Should Prince Andrew have agreed to Newsnight TV interview? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205623/prince-andrew-news-latest-BBC-newsnight-maitlis-epstein-Virginia-pizza-express-woking)
Prince Andrew Epstein interview: Sweat claim ?doesn?t make sense? medic says | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205489/prince-Andrew-health-sweat-Virginia-Roberts-jeffery-Epstein-BBC-newsnight)
Virginia Giuffre ?furious? Prince Andrew refuses to acknowledge her | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205495/Virginia-Roberts-prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-epstein-bbc-interview-virginia-Giuffre)
Piers Morgan hits out at ?toe-curling bulls***? from Prince Andrew ?insane? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205458/piers-morgan-twitter-prince-andrew-bbc-interview-newsnight-royal-news)
Prince Andrew interview in full: Watch full cringe-worthy BBC interview here | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205529/Prince-Andrew-interview-BBC-Newsnight-watch-Emily-maitlis-Jeffrey-Epstein)
Prince Andrew: Virginia Roberts photo ?very difficult to prove? if it is real or fake | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205525/Prince-Andrew-royal-family-virginia-roberts-jeffrey-epstein-bbc-newsnight-emily-maitlis)
Prince Andrew interview: BBC's Emily Maitlis hits back at Duke of York over word choice | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205520/Prince-Andrew-Royal-Family-Emily-Maitlis-Newsnight-interview-Epstein-latest)
Prince Andrew denies Epstein claims as ?Sex is a positive act' and 'difficult to forget' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205510/prince-andrew-interview-bbc-newsnight-virgina-roberts-jeffrey-epstein-royal-family-latest)
Prince Andrew on Epstein: 7 quotes to take away from BBC interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205451/prince-andrew-on-epstein-7-quotes-to-take-away-BBC-interview-newsnight)
Emily Maitlis in look of disgust at Prince Andrew ?unbecoming? He was a sex offender!? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205459/emily-maitlis-prince-andrew-bbc-newsnight-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-roberts)
Prince Andrew overruled PR advisor's recommendation not to do interview - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-17/prince-andrew-s-overruled-pr-advisor-s-recommendation-to-not-do-interview/)
Prince Andrew: I don't recall meeting accuser, I don't recall photo and I deny any sexual contact whatsoever - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-16/prince-andrew-i-don-t-recall-meeting-accuser-i-don-t-recall-photo-and-i-deny-any-sexual-contact-whatsoever/)
Why has Prince Andrew decided to bare all about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein? - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-15/why-has-prince-andrew-decided-to-bare-all-about-his-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein/)
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Prince Andrew: There was 'no indication' that Jeffrey Epstein was doing anything wrong - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/uk/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-bbc-interview/index.html)
Prince Andrew sparks near-universal condemnation with TV interview - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/uk/prince-andrew-tv-interview-scli-gbr-intl/index.html)
I feel bad for the Queen (Philip, Beatrice and Eugenie), at the grand old age and having to see this at the final stage of her lifetime.
83% of people say Prince Andrew should step back from royal duties following calamitous Newsnight interview ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/83-of-people-say-prince-andrew-should-step-back-from-royal-duties-following-calamitous-newsnight-interview-133565/)
^i doubt the queen cares about polls like that... but in future, charles will deal with andrew ... no doubt...
Quote from: wannable on November 17, 2019, 07:45:19 PM
I feel bad for the Queen (Philip, Beatrice and Eugenie), at the grand old age and having to see this at the final stage of her lifetime.
I?m agreed with you,
@wannableVideos show Prince Andrew partying in nightclubs with beautiful young women on the French Riviera | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695233/Videos-Prince-Andrew-partying-nightclubs-beautiful-young-women-French-Riviera.html)
Prince Andrew's regret over TV interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695817/Prince-Andrews-regret-TV-interview.html)
A step by step guide to how Duke of York told HIS story | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695861/A-step-step-guide-Duke-York-told-story.html)
Doctors back-up Prince Andrew's claim it is possible to have medical condition that stops sweating | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695885/Doctors-Prince-Andrews-claim-possible-medical-condition-stops-sweating.html)
Prince Andrew speaks publicly for first time about relationship with Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693471/Prince-Andrew-speaks-publicly-time-relationship-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Prince Andrew 'stands by his decision to give BBC interview' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695349/Prince-Andrew-stands-decision-BBC-interview.html)
Analysis of the infamous image of Prince Andrew with Jeffrey Epstein's teenage 'sex slave' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695663/Analysis-infamous-image-Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epsteins-teenage-sex-slave.html)
RICHARD KAY: All he's achieved is to fuel the controversy | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695777/RICHARD-KAY-hes-achieved-fuel-controversy.html)
PR expert on Duke of York interview: It was like... | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693741/PR-expert-Duke-York-interview-It-like-watching-man-quicksand.html)
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I'm A Celebrity's Ant and Dec mock Prince Andrew's 'sweat' comment after Newsnight disaster - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/im-celebritys-ant-dec-mock-20903279)
Prince Andrew must be probed by police over TV interview sex claims, ex-top cop says - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-must-investigated-police-20903418)
Queen 'did not approve' Prince Andrew's Epstein interview in Buckingham Palace - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-did-not-approve-prince-20903796)
Kerry Katona compares Prince Andrew on Newsnight to her 'car crash' This Morning interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kerry-katona-compares-prince-andrew-20903089)
Prince Andrew 'defends car-crash Jeffrey Epstein Newsnight interview' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-defends-car-20901504)
Prince Andrew 'could be cut out of core royal circle when Charles becomes king' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-could-cut-out-20901271)
Sarah Ferguson struck deal with paedo Jeffrey Epstein to pay off ?15,000 of debt - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/sarah-ferguson-struck-deal-paedo-20900300)
Queen fails to raise a smile in first public appearance since son Andrew's interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-fails-raise-smile-first-20900466)
Weirdest things spotted in Prince Andrew's car-crash Jeffrey Epstein interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/weirdest-things-spotted-prince-andrews-20899898)
Prince Andrew 'evasive and heavily coached' in BBC grilling says body language expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-evasive-heavily-coached-20896677)
The Queen will support Prince Andrew - but will not be happy, royal expert says - Ingrid Seward - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-support-prince-andrew-not-20904007)
Prince Andrew must be probed by police over TV interview sex claims, ex-top cop says - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-must-investigated-police-20903418)
Prince Andrew adviser 'facing questions over position' after car crash interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-advisor-facing-questions-20903085)
Carol Vorderman pours scorn on Prince Andrew's denials in extraordinary interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/carol-vorderman-pours-scorn-prince-20900286)
Prince Andrew's media advisor quit two weeks ago after warning him not to do interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-media-advisor-quit-20899110)
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Prince Andrew makes craziest claim yet as he tells the Queen his car crash TV sex quiz was ?a great success? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10365159/prince-andrew-queen-church-success/)
Ant and Dec mock Prince Andrew's bizarre claim he 'doesn't sweat' in cheeky I'm a Celebrity opener (https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/im-a-celebrity/10365740/ant-and-dec-mock-prince-andrews-sweat-im-a-celebrity/)
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Prince Andrew: Calls for royal to say sorry and speak to FBI | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/17/prince-andrew-calls-for-royal-to-say-sorry-and-speak-to-fbi)
Woking's Pizza Express customers struggle to remember first visit | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/17/wokings-pizza-express-customers-struggle-to-remember-first-visit)
Who were the main players behind the Prince Andrew interview? | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/17/who-were-the-main-players-behind-the-prince-andrew-interview)
'He was incredibly gracious after': Newsnight team say Andrew was pleased with interview | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/17/meetings-rehearsals-and-approval-from-mum-newsnights-prince-andrew-coup)
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Prince Andrew news: Queen did not approve son Prince Andrew's 'car crash' interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205731/prince-andrew-news-duke-york-queen-elizabeth-ii-reaction-BBC-newsnight-interview)
Prince Andrew interview: The Queen has lost control according to royal insiders | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205571/Prince-Andrew-interview-Queen-Elizabeth-BBC-Epstein-latest-news)
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I'm A Celebrity: Declan Donnelly MOCKS Prince Andrew for claiming he 'doesn't sweat' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/celebrity/article-7695689/Im-Celebrity-Declan-Donnelly-MOCKS-Prince-Andrew-claiming-doesnt-sweat.html)
BEL MOONEY: My heart breaks for the Queen after Prince Andrew's TV interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7695935/BEL-MOONEY-heart-breaks-Queen-Prince-Andrews-TV-interview.html)
A look inside the Mayfair club where Prince Andrew is alleged to have danced with Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695729/A-look-inside-Mayfair-club-Prince-Andrew-alleged-danced-Virginia-Roberts.html)
Prince Andrew 'stands by his decision to give BBC interview' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695349/Prince-Andrew-stands-decision-BBC-interview.html)
This will be good!
US Congress inquiry to ABC
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US Congress cracks down on ABC News for ?Epstein coverup,? demands to know WHO killed the story and WHY
We believe that uncovering the source of the information is incomparably less important than the possibility of exposing the source of a human trafficking operation.
US Congress cracks down on ABC News for ?Epstein coverup,? demands to know WHO killed the story and WHY (https://www.infowars.com/us-congress-cracks-down-on-abc-news-for-epstein-coverup-demands-to-know-who-killed-the-story-and-why/)
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Piers Morgan also saying there is a huge crisis in Buckingham Palace, and added this in his today article
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I?m sure the Queen will realize that Andrew?s confessional makes all of Meghan and Harry?s hypocritical hijinks this year pale into insignificance.
This is a very serious crisis for the Royal Family, one Andrew just made a gazillion times worse.
It?s surely unthinkable that any charity he works with will want to continue the association after this disaster that raises so many more questions than it answered?
The only way Andrew can truly close it down in the way he wishes is for him to now co-operate fully with the FBI investigating Epstein?s crimes ? and testify under oath as to what he saw, knew and did.
He can also authorize the Royal Protection Squad who would have been with him the entire time, to also speak to the FBI and tell them what they saw, and what they logged in official records.
They will know when and where every pizza?s been eaten, what nightclubs were attended on what day and what time, and details of every woman with whom Andrew?s ever had any kind of sexual encounter.
Every movement by the senior royals is filed by their cops.
They were there.
They know.
And until Prince Pinocchio exposes himself and his protection officers to proper FBI interrogation, then the stench of guilt will lurk around him so strongly he will be rendered unfit for purpose as a working royal.
Piers makes the understatement of the year in that first sentence, IMO. It was serious to begin with. What if Prince Andrew commits perjury in his confessions to the authorities? So many issues here.
PIERS MORGAN: I didn't believe a word Prince Andrew said about Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7697803/PIERS-MORGAN-didnt-believe-word-Prince-Andrew-said-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Ex-No 10 advisor says Prince Andrew used racist language | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7697571/Ex-No-10-advisor-claims-Prince-Andrew-used-n-woodpile-slur.html)
Warned to administrators and moderator don?t say anything about that on N or R know rules on forums!!
Lawyers warn Prince Andrew is 'not immune to prosecution' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7697633/Lawyers-warn-Prince-Andrew-not-immune-prosecution.html)
Prince Andrew ridiculed by international media over 'nuclear explosion-level bad' Epstein interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7697163/Prince-Andrew-ridiculed-international-media-nuclear-explosion-level-bad-Epstein-interview.html)
Prince Andrew's regret over TV interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695817/Prince-Andrews-regret-TV-interview.html)
French police renew appeal for witnesses to sex crimes at Epstein's Paris mansion | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7697747/French-police-renew-appeal-witnesses-sex-crimes-Epsteins-Paris-mansion.html)
Queen's former press secretary Dickie Arbiter brands Prince Andrew's BBC interview a 'rotten idea' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695887/Queens-former-press-secretary-Dickie-Arbiter-brands-Prince-Andrews-BBC-interview-rotten-idea.html)
Gloria Allred: Prince Andrew should testify about Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7696871/Jeffrey-Epstein-victims-lawyer-Gloria-Allred-says-Prince-Andrew-testify.html)
'It was a great success': What Prince Andrew 'told the Queen at church' after shock TV interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7696301/It-great-success-Prince-Andrew-told-Queen-church-shock-TV-interview.html)
Queen goes for horse ride in Windsor Castle grounds days after Prince Andrew's 'car crash' interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7698021/Queen-goes-horse-ride-Windsor-Castle-grounds-days-Prince-Andrews-car-crash-interview.html)
Prince Andrew partied with Heidi Klum and Ghislaine Maxwell in New York: Exclusive photos | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695307/Prince-Andrew-partied-Heidi-Klum-Ghislaine-Maxwell-New-York-Exclusive-photos.html)
An in-depth look at Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion, his luxury beach home, and private island | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695855/An-depth-look-Jeffrey-Epsteins-New-York-mansion-luxury-beach-home-private-island.html)
Analysis of the infamous image of Prince Andrew with Jeffrey Epstein's teenage 'sex slave' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695663/Analysis-infamous-image-Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epsteins-teenage-sex-slave.html)
DOMINIC LAWSON: I believe Prince Andrew. But his honesty doesn't excuse a naive royal arrogance | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7696029/DOMINIC-LAWSON-believe-Prince-Andrew-honesty-doesnt-excuse-naive-royal-arrogance.html)
Prince Andrew: Royalty has failed Epstein's accusers, says lawyer - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50457622)
Prince Andrew interview over Epstein could be used against him in cross-examination, victims' lawyer says (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/18/prince-andrew-interview-emily-maitlis-epstein-could-used-against/)
Duke of York 'lacking in compassion' for Epstein's victims | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-lacking-in-compassion-for-epsteins-victims-11863840)
Prince Andrew used the N-word, former No 10 aide claims | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/18/prince-andrew-used-n-word-former-no-10-aide-claims)
Prince Andrew interview: Prince Charles could ?remove? Duke?s status as working royal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205970/prince-andrew-epstein-interview-prince-charles-newsnight-royal-family-latest)
Prince Andrew interview: Could Beatrice?s wedding be POSTPONED amid fallout? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205995/prince-andrew-interview-princess-beatrice-royal-wedding-postponed-bbc-jeffrey-epstein)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205993/prince-andrew-interview-epstein-royal-family-crisis
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205458/piers-morgan-twitter-prince-andrew-bbc-interview-newsnight-royal-news
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205859/prince-andrew-interview-epstein-latest-prince-charles-news
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205833/Prince-Andrew-Interview-BBC-newsnight-Virginia-Roberts-jeffrey-epstein-royal-latest
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205810/Prince-Andrew-interview-Duke-of-York-BBC-news-Jeffrey-Epstein-latest-Emily-Maitlis
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-18/was-prince-andrew-right-to-face-the-cameras/
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-18/lawyers-urge-duke-of-york-to-speak-to-us-police-about-epstein-case/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/duke-of-york-tells-friends-of-his-sympathy-for-victims-of-epstein-and-regret-for-not-stating-it-in-interview-133601/
It must be a psychological horror feeling for Princess Beatrice. I wish her wedding is not postponed. Couldn't Charles or William (he invited her to his Centrepoint 50th anniversary, Kitty Spenser and Bea were at the gala with/supporting) be the sort of guardian parent?
Prince Andrew is doomed, there is nothing anyone nor Buckingham Palace will be able to do to 'clean' his image.
Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
It must be a psychological horror feeling for Princess Beatrice. I wish her wedding is not postponed. Couldn't Charles or William (he invited her to his Centrepoint 50th anniversary, Kitty Spenser and Bea were at the gala with/supporting) be the sort of guardian parent?
Prince Andrew is doomed, there is nothing anyone nor Buckingham Palace will be able to do to 'clean' his image.
Prince Andrew interview: Could Beatrice?s wedding be POSTPONED amid fallout? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205995/prince-andrew-interview-princess-beatrice-royal-wedding-postponed-bbc-jeffrey-epstein)
Prince Andrew news: Duke warned interview will overshadow Princess Beatrice's wedding | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205952/Prince-Andrew-news-Duke-York-interview-Princess-Beatrice-wedding-BBC-Jeffrey-Epstein)
Prince Andrew accused of using ?N-word? during meeting with Downing Street aide | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205929/prince-andrew-n-word-claim-rohan-silva-interview-epstein-royal-family-latest)
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But we have wait and see till Beatrice and Eduardo will still going on their wedding or postponed wedding due their dad?s bbc scandal interview stay tuned 🙏🏻🤞🏻
Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
It must be a psychological horror feeling for Princess Beatrice. I wish her wedding is not postponed. Couldn't Charles or William (he invited her to his Centrepoint 50th anniversary, Kitty Spenser and Bea were at the gala with/supporting) be the sort of guardian parent?
Prince Andrew is doomed, there is nothing anyone nor Buckingham Palace will be able to do to 'clean' his image.
Will could be a "big brother" to her.
Will there be a Fergie-Andrew wedding right after this?
Well yes because of their age ''big brother'' guardian, but:
Prince Andrew case MAY be discussed and
1. Privy Council only needs a quorum of 3 (i.e. 1 royal, 1 Prime Minister, 1 Opposing Labour leader) to make an act of parliament to remove him from the line of succession
2. via the treason act, today Crime and Disorder Act 1998 if found guilty
3. Charles and William would automatically be responsible of Bea/Eugenie
Although I doubt the USA FBI (they aren't calling Bill nor Donald, so why will they call on Andrew?!) will do anything to request his presence or that of his Met Police RPO's to deliver the book of records. Piers Morgan is right, they have to record absolutely everything they do date/time/stops/who/what/where, etc.
Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2019, 05:51:48 PM
Well yes because of their age ''big brother'' guardian, but:
Prince Andrew case MAY be discussed and
1. Privy Council only needs a quorum of 3 (i.e. 1 royal, 1 Prime Minister, 1 Opposing Labour leader) to make an act of parliament to remove him from the line of succession
2. via the treason act, today Crime and Disorder Act 1998 if found guilty
3. Charles and William would automatically be responsible of Bea/Eugenie
Although I doubt the USA FBI (they aren't calling Bill nor Donald, so why will they call on Andrew?!) will do anything to request his presence or that of his Met Police RPO's to deliver the book of records. Piers Morgan is right, they have to record absolutely everything they do date/time/stops/who/what/where, etc.
You?re right about that!! Stay tuned
I must ask, the Queen is still living wouldn't she be "in charge" of Bea? There is also "bad blood" between Andrew and Charles. Once she marries, she will have a protector in her husband Edo.
Bea and Edo I think will end up living a low key life as will Eugenie and Jack.
The way Fergie is speaking up for Andrew makes me wonder if there will be a push for a "remarriage" .
Yes legally. I'm discharging her (sadly) because I agree she has lost control.
KPMG has pulled out, I expect other organizations to do the same.
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KPMG pulls plug on its sponsorship of Prince Andrew's Dragons Den-style entrepreneur scheme due to 'adverse press' in wake of Epstein interview - as three organisations refuse to say if Duke is still a patron
Charities Children North East and The Children's Foundation refuse to comment
The Council of British International Schools won't say if he remains a patron
NSPCC has already distanced itself from Andrew after facing an online backlash
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Quote from: wannable on November 17, 2019, 07:45:19 PM
I feel bad for the Queen (Philip, Beatrice and Eugenie), at the grand old age and having to see this at the final stage of her lifetime.
the queen is paying a very dear price for her ostrich syndrome. i dont feel sorry for her... she really made her bed as far her family is concerned... but i feel for his daughters... i bet bea's wedding will happen. but andrew presence will bring awful pr to which should be a happy day for his daughter - he mentioning her in his interview dont help the matters
I imagine HM is in a state of confusion right now. In fact, this is new ground and probably they are all in tizzy. I do feel sorry for her; she is in her nineties and grew up in a totally different world - she is tired and doesn't understand.
After the interview Andrew thought it had gone well. He doesn't get it, nor does he understand that his demeanor screams "arrogance!". He thought if he made his case everything would be fine...I wonder if he is beginning to understand at all. I do feel for the York girls; they love their father - I can't imagine what it must be like for them.
Prince Andrew: KPMG ends sponsorship of royal's scheme - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50467019)
Prince Andrew interview over Epstein could be used against him in cross-examination, victims' lawyer says (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/18/prince-andrew-interview-emily-maitlis-epstein-could-used-against/)
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https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-18/lawyers-urge-duke-of-york-to-speak-to-us-police-about-epstein-case/
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-18/was-prince-andrew-right-to-face-the-cameras/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-prince-andrew-embroiled-in-new-n-word-row-133603/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/newsnight-achieves-record-viewing-figures-for-prince-andrew-interview-133608/
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The Queen news: 'Operation Save the Queen' triggered after Andrew interview - shock claim | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
I only see one way to Save the Queen, and it's not pretty. What with Andrew is a very serious crisis, and she already has said (according to DM) to support and believe him 100%. How can you save someone from that thought? Nothing but make her retire. The Heir Apparent has modern crunch ideas for his time.
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Not good years for HM Queen?s 1992 it?s called Annus Horribilis 1992 they now 2019 27 years later!!
PIERS MORGAN: I don't believe Prince Andrew on Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7697803/PIERS-MORGAN-didnt-believe-word-Prince-Andrew-said-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Businesses and charities abandon Prince Andrew as fall-out from 'car crash' interview continues (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/18/businesses-charities-abandon-prince-andrew-fallout-car-crash/)
Sponsors of Charities and endeavours of which Andrew is Patron are apparently reviewing their association with him in the aftermath of that disastrous interview. Hardly surprising really, especially if these are youth charities.
Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
It must be a psychological horror feeling for Princess Beatrice. I wish her wedding is not postponed. Couldn't Charles or William (he invited her to his Centrepoint 50th anniversary, Kitty Spenser and Bea were at the gala with/supporting) be the sort of guardian parent?
Prince Andrew is doomed, there is nothing anyone nor Buckingham Palace will be able to do to 'clean' his image.
My exact thoughts! Poor Beatrice. They could have a small family wedding in a country chapel in England at someone's private estate or someplace in Italy.
No one can save Andrew now - Pandora's box has been opened. :eyes:
?Those of us who want the Monarchy to survive must hope the Royal Family will be visibly pared down as it embarks on a new decade. Its only members on public show should be the Queen, Charles and William and his family.? - Royal Biographer A.N. Wilson.
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French appeal for witnesses in their own Jeffrey Epstein inquiry (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/18/french-appeal-witnesses-jeffrey-epstein-inquiry/)
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IMO his goose is cooked..
when is the queen going to put her foot down? Andrew's out. Noone will want him for a charity patron. He would be more dignified to resign from his patronages and retire to private life somewere. I do think badly of the queen that she does not seem to see tht Andrew's reputation has been shot now for some time and that the only option is to back bench him
See I'm glad you also perceive what 94% of the UK population who have been polled, the Queen is stubborn. Who prefers to see the painful deletion of a senior member of your own family, your own monarchy? Like any firm worldwide, when someone has caused a problem, it is fixed immediately by the decision makers: Top management who have under their responsibility the firing or guide the misguided. IF not fixed the 'shareholders' decide to fire the problem and the president. End.
Wherever Andrew is involved, they (organizations) are all in conference/board rooms making decisions.
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Members of Parliament are starting to speak out. As we say around these parts, it?s gone from worse to worser
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 19, 2019, 01:17:17 PM
Members of Parliament are starting to speak out. As we say around these parts, it?s gone from worse to worser
I can't understand why the queen cannot see that Andrew's behaviour even if not technically illegal has been so awful that he just is tainted now. Does she not have any sympathy for the girls that Epstein trafficked or anger that her favourite son kept up a frendshp with a man who was basically a pimp.. just because they provided him with girls and money contacts?
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 19, 2019, 01:17:17 PM
Members of Parliament are starting to speak out. As we say around these parts, it?s gone from worse to worser
Exactly what I heard yesterday, whispers of Andrew and the Queen, and the 'national treasure' reference to the DOC's, which also created a compare and contrast with TV media personalities of Who is/are the NT's in their industry. AntDec versus Piers. :hehe: Light laughter during this serious crisis, which is affecting badly the Queen. I feel badly for her, but if anyone of us has had the experience of watching someone we know that is so stubborn, they need to have their own car crash so to speak, it's terrible. I've lived it with a colleague, tried to help the person, but stubborn is stubborn. :shrug:
I think when Charles returns from down under there?s going to be a meeting of the minds. The Queen, the Prince of Wales and I can see William?s opinion being sought. Ultimately it?s up to HM but she seems to have a major blind spot when it comes to Andrew.
Even in HM doesn?t act it appears charities and sponsors are distancing themselves. It?ll be a death by a thousand cuts for Andrew.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 19, 2019, 01:28:49 PM
I think when Charles returns from down under there?s going to be a meeting of the minds. The Queen, the Prince of Wales and I can see William?s opinion being sought. Ultimately it?s up to HM but she seems to have a major blind spot when it comes to Andrew.
Even in HM doesn?t act it appears charities and sponsors are distancing themselves. It?ll be a death by a thousand cuts for Andrew.
Exactly. He seems to be SOO stupid that he can't see this and thinks he can just talk his way out of it.... but this time hes gone too far. the best thing to do would have been to say nothing and iehter retire quietly or keep on doing his work but low profile. But he had to open his big fat mouth and as far as I can see no one who has seen this interview can support him.
In the scheme of things I think William for obvious reasons to me would have the least to say about it. His father is next and he and the Queen and courtiers would have meetings over this. HM has a major blind spot to many things and many episodes since the 1950s beginning with the Margaret-Townsend situation and throughout the years. Andrew should himself man up and offer his resignation/retirement from duties. Right away.
The Queen herself never made any public statements. "Sources" say she "approved" but maybe she didn't. She could be really angry about it and the interviews's contents.
He is obviously not gong to do that. he will stay till he loses most of his patronages and maybe then the queen will realise that he has to go...
Sandy the reason I mentioned William is because his opinion is sought on other matters regarding the monarchy?s future. He is the next Prince of Wales after all.
Isn't there a Council of State? William is part of that. But I think the weight of the decision will rest on Charles and his mother. William will be informed about it but I don't think he would have as much to say as his father would. He may not be Prince of Wales for a time yet. Charles will be returning soon. There are also "behind closed door" talks among the family and I am sure Prince Philip will have a lot to say.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 19, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
Sandy the reason I mentioned William is because his opinion is sought on other matters regarding the monarchy?s future. He is the next Prince of Wales after all.
William is already making decision for the DOC which pays his household/court, there wouldn't have been a documentary of the Duchy with him involved if not yet. His short One Day with the Prince/Telegraph did state that he receives 2 boxes and reviews it daily...one box IS related to The Queen/POW.
People the DOC/DOL/SG maintain ALL what they do.
There?s a thing known as The Lord Chamberlain?s Committee, it meets up to 8 times a year to strategise about the monarchy and plot it?s future.
Members of the committee includes the private secretaries of HM, the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Charles and Camilla and also interestingly the private secretaries of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. No other royals are included.
I agree HM and Charles will ultimately decide Andrews fate but I stand by my statement that William will be consulted or at the very least, kept in the loop.
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Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 19, 2019, 02:18:33 PM
There?s a thing known as The Lord Chamberlain?s Committee, it meets up to 8 times a year to strategise about the monarchy and plot it?s future.
Members of the committee includes the private secretaries of HM, the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Charles and Camilla and also interestingly the private secretaries of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. No other royals are included.
I agree HM and Charles will ultimately decide Andrews fate but I stand by my statement that William will be consulted or at the very least, kept in the loop.
I agree with you.
I'm also happy you are including HM, since so many in the media right now are putting her on the shelf.
I honestly think the Queen is horrified and not at all pleased and not so much a support to Andrew as he t hinks she is. Just my impression. Fergie should keep quiet for the sake of their daughters. She's only making it worse IMO.
She has to announce something related to it, so far she supports/approves Andrew 100% (latest)
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I honestly think the Queen is horrified and not at all pleased and not so much a support to Andrew as he t hinks she is. Just my impression. Fergie should keep quiet for the sake of their daughters. She's only making it worse IMO.
I totally agree Sandy I also think HM is horrified by it all. As far as Sarah is concerned she needs to stay out of it though IMO she is publicly supporting her ex husband to continue getting financial support as needed. Their daughters really don't need the spotlight on both parents.
Sarah Ferguson encouraged Prince Andrew to give interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7702061/Prince-Andrews-ex-wife-Sarah-Ferguson-driving-force-car-crash-interview.html)
FBI investigates 'criminal enterprise' re Jeffrey Epstein death | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7702081/Two-Jeffrey-Epstein-prison-guards-arrested-failing-check-him.html)
Standard Chartered join KPMG and cut ties with Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701239/The-TOXIC-Duke-Standard-Chartered-latest-big-firm-cut-ties-Prince-Andrew.html)
Stunning socialite seen cavorting with Prince Andrew in THOSE photos at St Tropez nightclub | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7702673/Stunning-socialite-seen-cavorting-Prince-Andrew-photos-St-Tropez-nightclub.html)
Alastair Campbell: Prince Andrew interview 'not that big a deal' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701439/Alastair-Campbell-Duke-York-s-TV-interview-mistake.html)
He has placed the Monarch in a situation (against the wall), she can tic toc tic toc silence for how long? Until it goes away is not this type of case, her son has been to the 3 Epstein homes as a guest whilst underaged children entered and departed NY, Palm Beach, Virgin Islands.
For now it is being recorded as a very low point with fast whispers from HM Government, the Parliament, worst than the War of The Wales.
Jeffrey Epstein guards charged with falsifying records - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50480172)
Prince Andrew: Standard Chartered bank cuts ties with duke's scheme - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50470890)
Ghislaine Maxwell would never implicate Prince Andrew in Epstein scandal if she spoke to FBI, insist friends (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/19/ghislaine-maxwell-would-never-implicate-prince-andrew-epstein/)
Prince Andrew sponsors call on him to step down from his pet project to salvage its reputation (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/19/prince-andrew-sponsors-call-step-pet-project-salvage-reputation/)
Prince Andrew accused of making racist remarks against Arabs as politicians call for him to be stripped of taxpayer funding (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/19/prince-andrew-accused-making-racist-remarks-against-arabs-politicians/)
Jeffrey Epstein: prison guards charged with hiding failure to keep watch | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/jeffrey-epstein-new-york-prison-guards-arrested)
Prince Andrew mentor scheme at risk as firms withdraw support | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/19/prince-andrew-student-body-calls-for-royal-to-step-down-huddersfield-university-as-chancellor)
Prince Andrew interview: ?Queen only royal not trying to damage family? Farage savages Duk | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206530/prince-andrew-epstein-interview-royal-family-the-queen-nigel-farage-general-election)
Prince Andrew interview: Duke urged to resign by furious students after BBC interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206571/prince-andrew-news-interview-newsnight-emily-maitlis-huddersfield-university-london)
Royal news: Why Andrew?s ?car-crash? interview mirrors Charles? ?disaster? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206454/prince-andrew-news-royal-prince-charles-bbc-interview-car-crash-spt)
Prince Andrew risks losing patronages and support following Newsnight interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206433/prince-andrew-interview-epstein-news-royal-family-Huddersfield-university-KPMG)
Royal shame: ?Buckingham Palace should NOT have been used for Andrew interview? - expert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206405/royal-disgrace-prince-andrew-queen-interview-buckingham-palace-epstein)
Queen news: Prince Andrew and royal family chaos having ?real toll? on worried Monarch | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206339/queen-news-queen-elizabeth-ii-prince-andrew-interview-meghan-markle-prince-harry-royal)
The Queen news: Dickie Arbiter reveals Queen's FRUSTRATION at Prince Andrew | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206246/The-Queen-news-Dickie-Arbiter-Prince-Andrew-interview-BBC-Elizabeth-II-England-latest)
Charities, universities and sponsors review their ties with Prince Andrew over his Jeffrey Epstein interview - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-19/prince-andrew-charities-universities-sponsors-reviewing-ties-over-jeffrey-epstein-interview/)
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Election debate: Awkward moment Boris Johnson asked if Prince Andrew is 'fit for purpose' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/election-debate-awkward-moment-boris-20917938)
Prince Andrew police logs could hold truth on Duke's Pizza Express claims - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-police-logs-could-20918515)
Prince Andrew cancelled trip to flood-hit Yorkshire amid Jeffrey Epstein scandal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-cancelled-trip-flood-20918751)
Prince Andrew's reputation in tatters as big sponsors and charities dump him - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-reputation-tatters-big-20918513)
Prince Andrew made 'unbelievable' racist comments about Arabs, ex-Home Secretary says - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-made-unbelievable-racist-20914537)
Alison Phillips: I bet arrogant, narcissist Prince Andrew is really sweating now... - Alison Phillips - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/alison-phillips-bet-arrogant-narcissist-20916647)
Alistair Campbell offers tips to Prince Andrew to sweep 'car-crash' interview under carpet - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/alistair-campbell-offers-tips-prince-20913676)
Epstein accuser 'assaulted by his female associate' says Prince Andrew was used as bait - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/epstein-accuser-assaulted-female-associate-20911711)
Chuka Umunna blasts Prince Andrew as 'complete disgrace' who 'should face FBI' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chukka-umunna-blasts-prince-andrew-20912606)
Prince Andrew could be removed as University chancellor after student vote - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-university-students-vote-motion-20911739)
Without Prince Philip's iron discipline ?The Firm? is beset by blunders like Andrew's interview - Russell Myers - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princes-go-rogue-without-philips-20910797)
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Prince Andrew lives a billionaire?s lifestyle on ?270,000 a year ? so where does all his money come from? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10381287/prince-andrew-billionaire-money-royal/)
The Sun is offering a ?10,000 reward for information on Jeffrey Epstein pal Ghislaine Maxwell ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10381601/ghislaine-maxwell-reward-10000/)
Prince Andrew?s ex wife Sarah Ferguson ?convinced royal to take part in car crash TV interview and tell his truth? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10380735/prince-andrew-duke-of-york-bbc-interview-fergie/)
Prince Andrew made ?unbelievable racist camel jokes about Arabs and Saudis at state dinner? says Jacqui Smith ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10377695/prince-andrew-racist-comments-saudi-state-dinner/)
Prince Andrew forced to scrap visit to flood-stricken York as he?s called into crisis talks at Buckingham Palace ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10381186/prince-andrew-scraps-yorkshire-trip-palace-crisis-talks/)
Prince Andrew ?named in explosive new Epstein documents that could be made public within weeks? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10375447/prince-andrew-named-in-explosive-new-epstein-documents/)
Prince Andrew interview could wreck Princess Beatrice's wedding next year (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10378183/prince-andrew-interview-wreck-princess-beatrices-wedding/)
Twenty questions the FBI must now ask Prince Andrew about his relationship with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10374013/prince-andrew-fbi-questions-newsnight/)
Prince Andrew's train wreck interview proves Charles is right to want a slimmed-down monarchy without Harry and Meghan (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/opinion/10371071/prince-andrews-interview-harry-and-meghan/)
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Prince Andrew's millionaire lifestyle, the sums just don't add up | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7703985/Prince-Andrews-millionaire-lifestyle-sums-just-dont-add-up.html)
SARAH VINE: Did Prince Andrew never think of his own daughters? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7703743/SARAH-VINE-Did-Prince-Andrew-never-think-daughters.html)
Sen John Kennedy says 'American people' deserve answers about Epstein's death | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7703491/Sen-John-Kennedy-says-American-people-deserve-answers-Epsteins-death.html)
Standard Chartered join KPMG and cut ties with Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701239/The-TOXIC-Duke-Standard-Chartered-latest-big-firm-cut-ties-Prince-Andrew.html)
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn both REFUSE to back Prince Andrew in leadership debate | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7703789/Boris-Johnson-Jeremy-Corbyn-REFUSE-Prince-Andrew-leadership-debate.html)
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Mystery of Prince Andrew's lavish lifestyle on 'small pension and allowance from mum' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mystery-prince-andrews-lavish-lifestyle-20918743)
The storm is raging at the moment! How can Andrew make this stop?
Prince Andrew's millionaire lifestyle, the sums just don't add up | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7703985/Prince-Andrews-millionaire-lifestyle-sums-just-dont-add-up.html)
Extradition, we are waiting for the USA to move. According to lawyer.com it's the only way. There is no case in the UK.
Prince Andrew?s claim he ?can?t sweat? is blasted by Dr Hilary on GMB ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10367149/prince-andrew-claim-medical-condition-sweating-rare-real/)
Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1197115033098104832?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
More bad news for Andrew. Via Richard Palmer. British Telecommunications this time moving away at a rate of knotts.
Quote from: Blue Clover on November 20, 2019, 03:45:45 AM
The storm is raging at the moment! How can Andrew make this stop?
Prince Andrew's millionaire lifestyle, the sums just don't add up | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7703985/Prince-Andrews-millionaire-lifestyle-sums-just-dont-add-up.html)
He can make it stop by apologising for his bad behavour and stupidity and resigning frm royal work. and I think very badly of the queen that she has not insisted on this... If she's horrified by his behaviour, well she isn't showing it...
No, she isn't. I think the Queen is bunkered down, in the time-honoured Royal tradition of 'If we all sit very quietly for a week or so this will all go away.' She's mastered that attitude to perfection. But it didn't with Diana or the War of the Wales's and this very different situation isn't going away either. To be honest I don't think she quite knows what to do now. Andrew might be digging his heels in, Philip's not around as a sounding board, and Anne and Edward are possibly at a loss as well.
Two Australian Universities have cut ties with Andrew in the wake of the interview.
Two Australian universities sever ties with Prince Andrew charity after Epstein interview | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/20/two-australian-universities-sever-ties-with-charity-founded-by-prince-andrew)
She isn't, and when she ever (reacts) does, it takes her too long of a time. Nothing should be done too quickly or too slowly.
Disclaimer: my opinion is by chance similar to the majority of the commentators in the DM, substract the trolls. There are others who are so disappointed, the opinion expands to getting rid of the monarchy.
Sarah Ferguson reportedly advised Andrew to give interview. Although this is listed as one of the links above, Interesting discussion point.
Prince Andrew?s ex wife Sarah Ferguson ?convinced royal to take part in car crash TV interview and tell his truth? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10380735/prince-andrew-duke-of-york-bbc-interview-fergie/)
According to other articles it was Andrew's Private Secretary who wanted him to do the interview.It has been said she clashed with the newly hired spin doctor who advised against it.
It doesn't really matter who persuaded him. In the end it was Andrew's decision.
However, in almost everything Fergie is her ex's enabler. She has been in enough disasters on her own account that you would think that anyone with any common sense would muse, 'Sarah's advising me to do this, so if I do the opposite I should be OK'.
I certainly wouldn't want to take advice from her under any circumstances, but the two of them seem to inhabit some kind of la la land distinct from normal people who possess moral compasses.
i doubt the queen wants (or will) sideline andrew... imo she'll continue supporting him... not sure if charles will get his way this time...
years ago, when come out his friendship with epstein (i think after they were paped together), the queen awarded andrew a medal or whatever that neither charles nor anne had
Quote from: Curryong on November 20, 2019, 01:21:48 PM
No, she isn't. I think the Queen is bunkered down, in the time-honoured Royal tradition of 'If we all sit very quietly for a week or so this will all go away.' She's mastered that attitude to perfection. But it didn't with Diana or the War of the Wales's and this very different situation isn't going away either. To be honest I don't think she quite knows what to do now. Andrew might be digging his heels in, Philip's not around as a sounding board, and Anne and Edward are possibly at a loss as well.
Two Australian Universities have cut ties with Andrew in the wake of the interview.
Two Australian universities sever ties with Prince Andrew charity after Epstein interview | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/20/two-australian-universities-sever-ties-with-charity-founded-by-prince-andrew)
Andrew probably IS diggng his heels in.. but if he keeps on losing patronages...
Quote from: dianab on November 20, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
i doubt the queen wants (or will) sideline andrew... imo she'll continue supporting him... not sure if charles will get his way this time...
years ago, when come out his friendship with epstein (i think after they were paped together), the queen awarded andrew a medal or whatever that neither charles nor anne had
Lord knows what this is doing to her. She has always been strong, steadfast, and calm. But the years added up, and I can't help thinking that this episode is awful at her time of life.
Quote from: wannable on November 19, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
He has placed the Monarch in a situation (against the wall), she can tic toc tic toc silence for how long? Until it goes away is not this type of case, her son has been to the 3 Epstein homes as a guest whilst underaged children entered and departed NY, Palm Beach, Virgin Islands.
For now it is being recorded as a very low point with fast whispers from HM Government, the Parliament, worst than the War of The Wales.
I agree this is far worse than the War of the Wales.
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Quote from: dianab on November 20, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
i doubt the queen wants (or will) sideline andrew... imo she'll continue supporting him... not sure if charles will get his way this time...
years ago, when come out his friendship with epstein (i think after they were paped together), the queen awarded andrew a medal or whatever that neither charles nor anne had
Actually Charles and William (later George) are those who are not eligible for it because they're the future monarchs.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on November 20, 2019, 03:02:16 PM
Lord knows what this is doing to her. She has always been strong, steadfast, and calm. But the years added up, and I can't help thinking that this episode is awful at her time of life.
Then she should do something about it...
According to The Times, the English National Ballet is ?urging? Andrew to quit as patron.
On a side note I can see this patronage being passed on to Catherine.
Lady Victoria Hervey felt 'watched' at Jeffrey Epstein's home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7705321/Lady-Victoria-Hervey-left-Jeffrey-Epsteins-apartment-watched.html)
Did Prince Andrew meet Jeffrey Epstein YEARS before he claimed? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7706935/Did-Prince-Andrew-meet-Jeffery-Epstein-YEARS-claimed.html)
Could Prince Andrew do ANOTHER TV interview? Duke of York 'wants second chance' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7706159/Could-Prince-Andrew-TV-interview-Duke-York-wants-second-chance.html)
Questions are raised over 'gaps' in Prince Andrew's New York charity trip | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7705753/Questions-raised-gaps-Prince-Andrews-New-York-charity-trip.html)
JANET STREET-PORTER: Arrogant Prince Andrew clearly has no skills | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7705289/JANET-STREET-PORTER-Arrogant-Prince-Andrew-clearly-no-skills.html)
Prince Andrew's visit to flood-hit communities is AXED by Palace officials | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7704189/Prince-Andrews-visit-flood-hit-communities-AXED-Palace-officials.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell 'cruised Central Park looking for girls for Jeffrey Epstein' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7705537/Ghislaine-Maxwell-cruised-Central-Park-looking-girls-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
English National Ballet chiefs want Andrew to quit as patron 10 sponsors to cut ties with Duke | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7705547/English-National-Ballet-chiefs-want-Andrew-quit-patron-10-sponsors-cut-ties-Duke.html)
Prince Andrew spotted for the first time since Newsnight interview | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112080839/prince-andrew-pictured-first-time-since-bbc-newsnight-interview/)
Prince Andrew Thought Interview About Jeffrey Epstein Went Well | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-thought-his-bombshell-bbc-interview-about-jeffrey-epstein-had-gone-quite-well/)
Prince Andrew interview on Epstein backlash sees charities, universities and businesses cut ties with British royal - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-interview-epstein-backlash-charities-universities-businesses-cut-ties-royal-2019-11-20/)
Prince Andrew ?restricted to desk duties? as aides cancel official royal engagements ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-restricted-to-desk-duties-as-aides-cancel-official-royal-engagements-133732/)
Prince Andrew ?considering another TV interview? to set the record straight ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-considering-another-tv-interview-to-set-the-record-straight-133740/)
BT refuses to work with firm where Prince Andrew is patron ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/bt-refuses-to-work-with-firm-where-prince-andrew-is-patron-133735/)
^^^Or to one of the other royals ie: Meghan who will likely start building up her portfolio of patronages this year.
Andrew currently has 130 patronages.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1197005248965025792)
Another group who will likely be discussing Andrew's future as their patron.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/LizzieITV/status/1197145835806564352)
QuoteThe York Minster Fund, which the Duke of York has been Patron of for 15 years, says: "We have noted the coverage and the reaction to his recent interview. The matter will be discussed at the next Trustees meeting, however at this stage we have no comment to make.?
Here is one group that has decided to retain him as a patron.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1197121897521127424)
QuoteThe Royal Liverpool Golf Club, one of the 20+ Golf Organizations The Duke of York is Patron of, has confirmed Prince Andrew will remain in his position as Patron.
The Royal Liverpool Golf Club is a Private member?s golf club.
Prince Andrew: Letter casts doubt on when duke met Epstein - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50487104)
Prince Andrew latest: Lady Colin Campbell dropped from Christmas lights switch on after 'defending' Epstein (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/20/prince-andrew-latest-lady-colin-campbell-dropped-christmas-lights/)
Prince Andrew under pressure to resign patronages, as BT and National Ballet trustees join call for him to step down (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/20/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-bbc-interview-fallout-businesses/)
Prince Andrew: BT and three universities abandon ties with duke after Epstein TV interview | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-bt-and-three-universities-abandon-ties-with-duke-after-epstein-tv-interview-11865413)
Letter casts doubt on when Prince Andrew met Epstein | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/20/bt-says-it-will-not-work-with-company-linked-to-prince-andrew)
Prince Andrew cancels royal engagement & is summoned to Buckingham Palace ?crisis summit? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206739/prince-andrew-news-newsnight-interview-epstein-royal-family-royal-news)
Princess Beatrice banished from meeting to decide Prince Andrew?s future | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206877/princess-beatrice-news-prince-andrew-newsnight-interview-epstein-royal-news)
Prince Andrew ?wants second interview? after BBC interview - source claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206972/prince-andrew-news-newsnight-interview-epstein-royal-family-royal-news)
Prince Andrew news: How Andrew is NOT the only royal who doesn?t sweat | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1206468/prince-andrew-news-bbc-interview-queen-elizabeth-ii-the-queen-royal-family-spt)
Prince Andrew interview: Could Beatrice?s wedding be POSTPONED amid fallout? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1205995/prince-andrew-interview-princess-beatrice-royal-wedding-postponed-bbc-jeffrey-epstein)
Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein met 'in early 1990s' newspaper letter claims - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-20/prince-andrew-and-jeffrey-epstein-met-in-early-1990s-not-1999-as-claimed-in-interview/)
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Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 20, 2019, 04:44:34 PM
According to The Times, the English National Ballet is ?urging? Andrew to quit as patron.
On a side note I can see this patronage being passed on to Catherine.
We have wait and see till confirmed if Kate will fit this patron follow late Diana,Princess of Wales footsteps 🙏🏻🤞🏻🩰
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TripAdvisor suspends Pizza Express Woking reviews after Prince Andrew interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tripadvisor-suspends-pizza-express-woking-20923351)
Not surprised that!!
Lady Victoria Hervey thinks Newsnight interview proves Prince Andrew isn't guilty - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/lady-victoria-hervey-thinks-newsnight-20919604)
Boris Johnson's defence of monarchy amid Prince Andrew scandal 'unforgivable' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-defence-monarchy-amid-20923141)
Old Buckingham Palace letter casts doubt on when Prince Andrew met Jeffrey Epstein - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/old-buckingham-palace-letter-casts-20921933)
Boris Johnson says monarchy 'beyond reproach' after question about Prince Andrew - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/election-debate-awkward-moment-boris-20917938)
Epstein ?madam? Ghislaine Maxwell is ?James Bond character who will NEVER be found? claims Prince Andrew?s ex ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10383519/ghislaine-maxwell-prince-andrew-epstein-madam/)
The Duke, the sex slave & the missing hours in New York - Andy ?unaccompanied? when accused of sex with teen, aide says (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10382874/prince-andrew-interview-news-epstein-latest/)
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Prince Andrew scaling back on royal duties - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50496539)
Stay tuned from Palace
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 20, 2019, 04:44:34 PM
According to The Times, the English National Ballet is ?urging? Andrew to quit as patron.
On a side note I can see this patronage being passed on to Catherine.
i thought camilla had this patronage
Prince Andrew steps back from public duties after TV interview over his links to Epstein | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-steps-back-from-public-duties-11865854)
Prince Andrew steps back from royal duties ? Queen grants approval after BBC interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207069/prince-andrew-royal-duties-queen-elizabeth-ii-bbc-interview-epstein-royal-news-latest)
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Quote from: dianab on November 20, 2019, 06:05:55 PM
i thought camilla had this patronage
We have wait and see till confirmed for best patron either Kate or Camilla or any royals ladies options to void of late Diana,Princess of Wales?s patrons but late Princess Diana been patron been English National Ballet for 8 years since 1989-1997 respectively
Royal Association: World Ballet Day ? Royal Patronages ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/royal-association-world-ballet-day-royal-patronages-54376/)
Late Princess Margaret been patron at national ballet 1978-1989 they torch to late Diana, Princess of Wales 1989-1997
But National Ballet chief or president of ballet makes decisions chosen have patron to void late Diana, Princess of Wales?s patron we have wait and see till confirmed from Palace and Clarence House stay tuned!! 🙏🏻🤞🏻🩰
Andrew steps down from his royal duties. IMHO this is the only way forward. I hope that this is the first step towards "retirement."
Duke of York is to step back from public duties | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7707443/Duke-York-step-public-duties.html)
QuoteThe Queen has given permission for the Duke of York to 'step back from public duties for the foreseeable future' amid criticism over his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, the duke said in a statement.
Prince Andrew this evening issued a statement saying it had become clear to him that his friendship with the billionaire paedophile had caused 'major disruption' to the Royal Family's work.
Andrew's statement in full.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1197212613274460160/photo/1)
Quote from: dianab on November 20, 2019, 06:05:55 PM
i thought camilla had this patronage
There are several ballet companies in the UK. The best, biggest is the Royal Opera House, which is also The Royal Ballet, their patron is HRH The Prince of Wales, previously HM The Queen. The ROH will very likely go to Kate (or William)
Royal SHOCK: Prince Andrew to step back from royal duties with Queen's permission | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112080873/prince-andrew-steps-down-royal-duties-after-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/)
Prince Andrew Quits Royal Duties After Jeffrey Epstein Interview | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-makes-shocking-move-to-quit-royal-duties-after-explosive-epstein-interview/)
Prince Andrew to 'step back from public duties for the foreseeable future' over Epstein relationship (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/20/prince-andrew-duke-york-step-back-public-duties-jeffrey-epstein/)
Prince Andrew to step back from public duties 'for foreseeable future' | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/20/prince-andrew-to-step-back-from-public-duties-for-foreseeable-future)
Prince Andrew stepping back from public duties amid Jeffrey Epstein scandal - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-20/prince-andrew-stepping-back-public-duties-willing-help-police-investigation-jeffrey-epstein-interview/)
Prince Andrew?s statement in full as he announces he is to step back as a working royal ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrews-statement-in-full-as-he-announces-he-is-to-step-back-as-a-working-royal-133753/)
BREAKING: Prince Andrew steps down from public duties ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-prince-andrew-steps-down-from-public-duties-133750/)
Prince Andrew to step back from public duties amid criticism of his relationship with Epstein - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/uk/prince-andrew-steps-back-intl-gbr/index.html)
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-friendship-stepping-back-public-duties
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/prince-andrew-steps-away-public-duties-over-epstein-ties-n1087066
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Prince Andrew quits public life 'for the foreseeable future' amid Epstein scandal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-stepping-down-20924010)
Prince Andrew says he is ?stepping back? from royal duties over Epstein scandal and offers to help police ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10388227/prince-andrew-stepping-back-royal-jeffrey-epstein/)
Prince Andrew?s excruciating BBC interview was a masterclass in reputational suicide ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10366713/prince-andrew-reputational-suicide/)
The man has to worry about legal action. Prosecutions and lawsuits
Wow! Andrew has been officially sidelined for the foreseeable future.
Good... it is rather late but at least it is done now. I can't believe that Andrew was willing to do this.. he clearly was quite unable or unwilling to understand how badly his interview and behaviour has looked...So I can only assume that the queen and Charles finally made the decision for him...
Good, it should have happened years ago. There were discussions about it here and on some other forums at the time he lost his Trade Ambassadorship.
I certainly think Andrew was pushed rather than jumped over this. The Queen wouldn't have been doing the pushing either, IMO, but the men in grey at the Palace. Andrew's ego wouldn't have allowed him to step back so others have taken charge.
I don't think that Andrew would pay any heed to "men in Grey". He would only step down IMO if ordered by the queen
According to The Times Andrew took the decision after talking with the Queen, Prince of Wales and other members of the royal family.
I would read other members of the royal family to include The Duke of Cambridge and maybe even Catherine
This decision definitely came from the most senior levels.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 20, 2019, 08:59:22 PM
According to The Times Andrew took the decision after talking with the Queen, Prince of Wales and other members of the royal family.
I would read other members of the royal family to include The Duke of Cambridge and maybe even Catherine
This decision definitely came from the most senior levels.
oh I think so. I was never Andrew's biggest fan but God he has exceeded all bounds with his stupidity and arrogance. I think it is pretty clear that he has not realised even after 2 or 3 days of the Media and public bashing him.. that he had no choice but to go. He would not go for anything less than the queen saying "its over.." I hope he really DOES go for good.. now. He has screwed up too badly to get a second chance...
Maybe they're afraid of what's coming, and I don't belive that PA is forthcoming with the info. Perhaps they think that by PA retiring he can avoid this mess, in an 'out of sight, out of mind' kind of way. We'll see.
Quote
Chris Ship
Verified account
@chrisshipitv
#PrinceAndrew met the Queen today
-He'll be out of the public eye for some time
-Patronages to be mothballed
-Prince of Wales consulted in New Zealand
-Will take no money from Sovereign Grant
-Won?t return until Epstein case closed/Duke?s name cleared
Interesting, that will take minimum 1 year.
^^^No money from the Sovereign Grant that puts an end to any overseas travel.
Yes.
Here's a twitter discussion between Richard Palmer, RR and David McClure, author of The Royal Legacy on the wealth of the House of Windsor
Quote
Richard Palmer
Verified account
@RoyalReporter
Andrew?s office costs are paid for from the Privy Purse, the Queen?s income from the Duchy of Lancaster. My understanding is he will continue to receive that for now. He won?t need to draw money from the Sovereign Grant because he won?t be travelling anywhere on official duties.
David McClure
@davidjmcclure
Replying to @RoyalReporter @royalmusing and 2 others
Now that he no longer performs official duties, all the money he receives from the Duchy of Lancaster will be taxable for the Queen as it won't be "a business expense"
Britain's ex-consul general in New York casts doubt on duke's alibi | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708371/Britains-ex-consul-general-New-York-casts-doubt-dukes-alibi.html)
Prince Andrew says he WILL speak to the FBI | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708319/Prince-Andrew-says-speak-FBI.html)
Queen gives Prince Andrew permission to QUIT public duties | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7707443/Duke-York-step-public-duties.html)
This isn't a short-term solution. It's early retirement | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708237/This-isnt-short-term-solution-early-retirement.html)
He was a national hero but greed, arrogance and jealousy proved Prince Andrew's undoing | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708213/He-national-hero-greed-arrogance-jealousy-proved-Prince-Andrews-undoing.html)
Axe hovers above Prince Andrew's aide behind the Newsnight interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708343/Axe-hovers-Prince-Andrews-aide-Newsnight-interview.html)
What Prince Andrew's Quitting Means for the Royal Family | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/what-does-prince-andrews-decision-to-step-back-from-royal-duties-mean-for-the-royal-family/)
Prince Andrew to step back from public duties due to 'ill-judged association' with Jeffrey Epstein | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/prince-andrew-step-back-public-duties-due-ill-67170243)
https://www.today.com/news/prince-andrew-step-down-public-duties-amid-jeffrey-epstein-scandal-t167833
Prince Andrew withdraws from public duties for "foreseeable future" following Jeffrey Epstein interview - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-steps-back-from-royal-duties-for-foreseeable-future-today-jeffrey-epstein-controversy-2019-11-20/)
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Prince Andrew departs from public life as he prepares to give evidence to Epstein investigation in US (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/20/prince-andrew-quits-public-life-prepares-give-evidence-epstein/)
America gripped as Andrew's offer shifts focus to Epstein's victims | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/america-gripped-as-andrews-offer-shifts-focus-to-epsteins-victims-11865951)
Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein and Newsnight: anatomy of a PR disaster | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/20/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-and-newsnight-anatomy-of-a-pr-disaster)
Queen 'alone' as she 'doesn't have anyone to lean on' amid Prince Andrew scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207156/queen-elizabeth-ii-royal-news-royal-family-prince-andrew-sky-news-dickie-arbiter)
Prince Andrew news: When will public next see Andrew as Duke steps back from royal life? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207136/Prince-Andrew-news-when-Prince-Andrew-next-public-interview-Epstein)
How the Duke met the Queen today and why he'll be out of the public eye for some time - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-20/how-the-duke-met-the-queen-today-and-why-he-ll-be-out-of-the-public-eye-for-some-time/)
Nicky Morgan: 'I would expect' Prince Andrew to stand down from charity positions - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-20/nicky-morgan-i-would-expect-prince-andrew-to-stand-down-from-charity-positions/)
95% of people say Prince Andrew is right to step down from public duties ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/95-of-people-say-prince-andrew-is-right-to-step-down-from-public-duties-133761/)
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Prince Andrew asked Queen for forgiveness after being told to step down - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-asked-queen-forgiveness-20925359)
'Prince Andrew scandal is one of Royals' biggest humiliations in history' - Russell Myers - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/russell-myers-prince-andrew-scandal-20925138)
Queen would be 'horrified' at Prince Andrew's 'inevitable' resignation - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-would-horrified-prince-andrews-20924900)
Prince Andrew quitting 'like Edward VIII abdication' - but monarchy 'not in crisis' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-quitting-like-edward-20924671)
The Queen summoned favourite son Prince Andrew to palace to strip him of royal duties as Charles stepped in over scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10389442/queen-prince-andrew-royal-duties/)
Paul Burrell ?feels sorry for the Queen over Prince Andrew scandal? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10388417/paul-burrell-feels-sorry-for-the-queen-over-prince-andrew-scandal/)
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 20, 2019, 08:59:22 PM
According to The Times Andrew took the decision after talking with the Queen, Prince of Wales and other members of the royal family.
I would read other members of the royal family to include The Duke of Cambridge and maybe even Catherine
This decision definitely came from the most senior levels.
I don't think William and Kate had nearly as big a role as Charles and the Queen in the decision. I don't think Kate and William spend a lot of time with their Uncle. They may be comforting Bea and Eugenie and being people of their age to talk to. I can't see WIlliam and Kate making any significant decisions about their Uncle. I don't think Kate though was that close to the York girls. Also, I think Andrew spent more time with his mother than CHarles, who have had their differences over the years. Also, there may have been legal advisers around for Andrew. Andrew is in such a serious situation at risk of lawsuits and even arrest that legal help and advice is essential. He is in need of help and I think at least a lawsuit is on the horizon from the woman who claimed that she and Andrew were intimate when she was underage. Serious business!
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 20, 2019, 08:59:22 PM
According to The Times Andrew took the decision after talking with the Queen, Prince of Wales and other members of the royal family.
I would read other members of the royal family to include The Duke of Cambridge and maybe even Catherine
This decision definitely came from the most senior levels.
I would agree that William, Anne and Edward were most likely consulted on the issue. William is the second in the line of succession and Anne/Edward should have give their input as QEII's children.
It makes sense the royals who have a hand in the monarchy?s future would be involved. With all due respect to Anne and Edward, their opinions wouldn?t impact decisions.
The opinions of Charles and William on the other hand would carry considerable weight.
Quotehttp://Chris Ship
Verified account
@chrisshipitv
#PrinceAndrew met the Queen today
-He'll be out of the public eye for some time
-Patronages to be mothballed
-Prince of Wales consulted in New Zealand
-Will take no money from Sovereign Grant
-Won?t return until Epstein case closed/Duke?s name cleared
This is major news today! Wow, I really can't believe it came to this. :eyes: This is quite shocking. I think its the right thing for Prince Andrew to do given the seriousness of this case. If he can clear his name, he should.
Another patronage has dropped Andrew and the list seems to be growing by the hour.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1197322413505167360?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
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Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 21, 2019, 02:02:29 AM
It makes sense the royals who have a hand in the monarchy?s future would be involved. With all due respect to Anne and Edward, their opinions wouldn?t impact decisions.
The opinions of Charles and William on the other hand would carry considerable weight.
Yes they're not as high up in the line of succession, but considering how many duties Anne (461 as of last week) and Edward (280) perform throughout the year QEII should be listening to her two other children. Combined with Charles and William they can be a united front which is important IMHO as it impacts the reputation of the entire "Firm."
According to the Daily Mail:
?I also understand that the Duke of Cambridge has been more than a mere spectator.
?Don?t forget he has a long-term stake in this too,? says one friend of the family?.
Again William?s opinion would have been sought.
TripAdvisor suspends reviews for Pizza Express in Woking after Prince Andrew discussed it | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7707843/TripAdvisor-suspends-reviews-Pizza-Express-Woking-Prince-Andrew-discussed-it.html)
The Duke of Hazard: The photos that show Prince Andrew has never been far from causing a crisis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708741/The-Duke-Hazard-photos-Prince-Andrew-never-far-causing-crisis.html)
Prince Andrew's sacking is biggest royal crisis since Edward VIII abdicated in 1936 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708033/Duke-York-developments-compared-abdication-Edward-VIII.html)
Prince Andrew should contact US investigators - Epstein victims' lawyer - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50498156)
Prince Andrew shamed into stepping down: Queen advises Duke to quit duties & save monarchy | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207206/prince-andrew-news-the-queen-epstein-andrew-quits-royal-duties-bbc-interview-royal-latest)
Prince Andrew news: It was time for him to go says royal expert Margaret Holder | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207210/prince-andrew-news-quits-royal-family-latest)
Prince Andrew?s decades of unpleasantness revealed ? from his huge ego to the diva-like meltdowns ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10389728/prince-andrew-decades-of-unpleasantness-revealed/)
He took someone?s advice and used a writer. So glad he decided not to dig in, after all.
I can't imagine that anyone, whether WIll or Anne or whoever... was rooting for Andrew to stay in the public eye and do his royal work.. They must all have been wishing that he would step down of his own accord...But I suspect he really did not want to go.. and thought tat the interview would clear everything up and he'd be still doing his royal duties. I think it has taken 3 days and a LOT of argument to persuade him to step down...but I think that the queen should have called him MOnday and said that's it, youre finished as a working royal...
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 21, 2019, 02:37:41 AM
According to the Daily Mail:
?I also understand that the Duke of Cambridge has been more than a mere spectator.
?Don?t forget he has a long-term stake in this too,? says one friend of the family?.
Again William?s opinion would have been sought.
William can know about it. But he is still heir to the heir and in a subordinate position. This can be a learning experience for him when he has to deal directly with such a crisis as his grandmother is doing now. And also his father and his role in discussions about this. However, the most valuable "friend" to Andrew just might be a good attorney. This is going to be a long road for him.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1197471300446494720?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Quote8 of Prince Andrew's Patronages have quietly removed him from their website:
TeenTech
The Cambridge Science Centre
The Trampery
Alderney Maritime Trust
Jubilee Sailing Trust
Raspberry Pi Foundation
Royal Society for Asian Affairs
SickKids Foundation
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Andrew is out as the Chancellor of Huddersfield University
Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1197520319134752769)
Prince Andrew is smiling and waving as he breaks cover for the first time since the Queen sacked him | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7710285/Prince-Andrew-smiling-waving-breaks-cover-time-Queen-sacked-him.html)
Prince Andrew had a meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell in London in June | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7709765/Prince-Andrew-secret-meeting-Ghislaine-Maxwell-London-June.html)
Prince Andrew MUST go to the US to talk to the FBI says lawyer for Epstein's victims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7709647/Prince-Andrew-talk-FBI-says-lawyer-Epsteins-victims.html)
PIERS MORGAN: Prince Andrew should lose 'HRH' as Diana did | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7710841/PIERS-MORGAN-hell-call-Prince-Andrew-Royal-Highness.html)
If HM Queen would kept him HRH or remove HRH stay tuned from Palace
Virginia Roberts says sexual predators will be exposed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7710489/Virginia-Roberts-says-predators-exposed-evil-monsters.html)
Prince Andrew WILL speak to FBI but is warned not to go to US | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708319/Prince-Andrew-says-speak-FBI.html)
Prince Andrew WILL continue to work on his Pitch@Palace project | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7710203/Prince-Andrew-continue-work-Pitch-Palace-project.html)
Wow!!
Beatrice and Eugenie put on defiant display amid Prince Andrew scandal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7709971/Beatrice-Eugenie-defiant-display-amid-Prince-Andrew-scandal.html)
Princess Beatrice says it is the Queen that encouraged her curious nature | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7709949/Princess-Beatrice-says-Queen-encouraged-curious-nature.html)
Royal news: Prince Andrew pictured at Windsor home after stepping down from royal duties | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112180908/prince-andrew-pictured-first-time-since-stepping-down-royal-duties/)
Prince Andrew steps down: what does this mean now for the Queen's son? | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112180900/prince-andrew-steps-down-what-happens-next/)
Princess Beatrice celebrates fiance's birthday amid Prince Andrew drama | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112180885/princess-beatrice-celebrates-fiance-birthday-amid-prince-andrew-drama/)
Prince Andrew seen for first time since stepping back from royal duties - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50498156)
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Prince Andrew should hand over emails, texts and travel logs to US authorities, lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein victims says (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/21/prince-andrew-should-hand-emails-texts-travel-logs-us-authorities/)
Prince Andrew departs from public life as he prepares to give evidence to Epstein investigation in US (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/20/prince-andrew-quits-public-life-prepares-give-evidence-epstein/)
Prince Andrew could be handed a subpoena to face Epstein questions | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-could-be-handed-a-subpoena-to-face-epstein-questions-11866392)
Prince Andrew to continue work on mentor scheme, says palace | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/21/prince-andrew-lawyers-for-jeffrey-epstein-victims-hint-at-subpoena)
Queen Elizabeth II news: How Harold Wilson helped Queen cover up huge Royal Family scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207505/queen-elizabeth-ii-news-harold-wilson-the-crown-netflix-margaret-royal-family-spt)
Prince Andrew salary: How much does Prince Andrew get paid? How much is the royal worth? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207372/prince-andrew-salary-how-much-prince-andrew-paid-earn-net-worth)
Prince Andrew statement in FULL: Duke QUITS royal duties as Epstein saga continues | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207294/Prince-Andrew-statement-in-full-Epstein-interview)
Prince Andrew steps down from chancellor and patron roles in wake of Epstein interview - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-21/duke-of-york-must-cooperate-with-investigators-over-epstein-victims-lawyer/)
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Prince Andrew pictured for first time since Queen ordered him to quit royal life - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-pictured-first-20927848)
Prince Andrew smiles as he's seen for the first time since Queen sacked him from royal duties (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10379489/prince-andrew-news-latest-queen-sacked/)
Prince Andrew 'met Epstein "madam" Ghislaine Maxwell AFTER probe into paedo reopened' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10392741/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-meeting/)
Prince Andrew ?may have been filmed on bedroom cams installed at Epstein?s sex mansion to collect dirt on A-listers? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10392038/prince-andrew-filmed-bedroom-cams-epstein-mansion/)
Andrew has either resigned or been ?forced out? of 10 patronages/positions in the last 2 days.
Prince Andrew 'sacked' by Queen and stripped of ?249k salary | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7710285/Prince-Andrew-smiling-waving-breaks-cover-time-Queen-sacked-him.html)
Prince Andrew's ex-wife Sarah Ferguson arrives at Buckingham Palace | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7711571/Prince-Andrews-ex-wife-Sarah-Ferguson-arrives-Buckingham-Palace.html)
Sarah Ferguson visits Buckingham Palace after Prince Andrew steps down from royal duties | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112180928/sarah-ferguson-arrives-buckingham-palace/)
Prince Andrew Continues to Work on Pitch@Palace Project | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-continues-to-work-on-a-key-project-despite-withdrawing-from-royal-duties/)
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Sarah Ferguson pictured dashing to palace for 'crisis summit with Prince Andrew' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-sarah-ferguson-dashes-palace-20931479)
Most shocking royal scandals as Prince Andrew steps down - from toe sucking to nudity - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/most-shocking-royal-scandals-prince-20928186)
Virginia Roberts slams ?evil monsters? as Queen summons Prince Andrew to Palace 24 hours after sacking him (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10394101/epstein-sex-slave-virginia-roberts-evil-monsters/)
Piers Morgan calls on Queen to strip 'paedo-buddy' Prince Andrew of HRH title (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10394859/piers-morgan-prince-andrew-queen-hrh-title/)
Boy, The York parents are da 'Joker' with their crazy smiles too. :laugh10:
Prince Andrew 'spent three days at Epstein's ranch with beautiful young woman' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7711087/Prince-Andrew-spent-three-days-Epsteins-ranch-beautiful-young-woman.html)
Prince Andrew's Accuser Virginia Giuffre Speaks Out Royal Quits | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrews-accuser-speaks-out-after-royal-quits-its-welcomed-news-but-only-a-half-truth/)
Yes, this is absolutely unprecedented, for a senior Royal to be publicly humiliated and thrust out of Royal life in this fashion and against their will. There's been nothing like it in modern British history (the last 200 years or so!) Extraordinary, really!
Royal Family step in AGAIN and force Prince Andrew to cancel junket to Bahrain | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7712625/Royal-Family-step-force-Prince-Andrew-cancel-junket-Bahrain.html)
Prince Andrew refuses to give up Pitch@Palace, as it emerges he can take a cut of every deal (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/21/prince-andrew-refuses-give-pitchpalace-emerges-can-take-cut/)
Prince Andrew urged to contact US investigators 'without delay or condition' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/21/prince-andrew-urged-contact-us-investigators-without-delay-condition/)
Prince Andrew's continued role as patron of Royal Portrush Golf Club to come under scrutiny (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/golf/2019/11/21/prince-andrews-continued-role-patron-ofroyal-portrush-golf-club/)
Thursday morning news briefing: Prince Andrew ready to give evidence (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/21/thursday-morning-news-briefing-princeandrew-ready-give-evidence/)
Prince Andrew could be handed a summons to face Epstein questions | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-could-be-handed-a-subpoena-to-face-epstein-questions-11866392)
The toxic prince: Andrew handed royal P45 after tipping point reached | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/21/the-toxic-prince-andrew-handed-royal-p45-after-tipping-point-reached)
Sarah Ferguson summoned to Buckingham Palace after Prince Andrew | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207645/sarah-ferguson-news-prince-andrew-latest-buckingham-palace-bbc-interview)
Prince Andrew steps down as Chancellor of Huddersfield University after Epstein interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207484/prince-andrew-interview-epstein-newsnight-interview-steps-down-chancellor-huddersfield-uni)
Prince Andrew interview to bring Queen and Prince Charles closer together, claims expert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207435/prince-andrew-interview-BBC-newsnight-queen-elizabeth-ii-news-prince-charles-royal-family)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207418/prince-andrew-news-epstein-interview-BBC-virginia-roberts-claim-royal-news
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207313/prince-andrew-news-buckingham-palace-queen-elizabeth-ingrid-seward-epstein
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-21/prince-andrew-urged-to-speak-to-us-investigators-by-alleged-epstein-rape-victim-s-lawyer/
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Prince Andrew refuses to give up Pitch@Palace, as it emerges he can take a cut of every deal
2% of earnings with each benefactor using crown estate facilities, and he still wanted to travel tomorrow to Bahrain. :thumbsdown: :fuming:
Hopefully by the time Prince Andrew gives his daughter Princess Beatrice away on her wedding day, the press will be kinder what it writes about him.
Why should the Press (or the media in general) be kind to Andrew? He has let his charities down and caused one of the biggest scandals to erupt concerning the BRF since the Abdication (according to some commentators.) Rumours of financial corruption have been floating around him for well over a decade, and his ex wife has caused endless embarrassment to the RF since the 1990s. Ever since childhood Andrew has been characterised as spoiled, arrogant and petulant by those who know him. There is no reason whatsoever for someone like that to be shown kindness.
Quote from: amabel on November 21, 2019, 09:46:54 AM
I can't imagine that anyone, whether WIll or Anne or whoever... was rooting for Andrew to stay in the public eye and do his royal work.. They must all have been wishing that he would step down of his own accord...But I suspect he really did not want to go.. and thought tat the interview would clear everything up and he'd be still doing his royal duties. I think it has taken 3 days and a LOT of argument to persuade him to step down...but I think that the queen should have called him MOnday and said that's it, youre finished as a working royal...
:goodpost:
@sara8150 You are doing a wonderful job keeping us informed about Prince Andrew. Thank you! :friends:
The Baker Dearing Educational Trust announces, with immediate effect, that the Duke of York has ceased to be patron
- Andrew Adonis
According to Gerts Royals, that?s 14 Organizations that have cut ties with Prince Andrew
Russell Myers?s Twitter says
QuoteBREAKING: Prince Andrew will now NOT fly to Bahrain amid increasing pressure over his involvement with his pet project Pitch@Palace. His intentions were to still go until now. Seems like pressure is still mounting
Twitter (https://twitter.com/rjmyers/status/1197600339907792896?s=21)
Sun today offers a GBP 10,000 reward.To be eligible, you must provide information which directly results in The Sun successfully making contact with her in person.
T&Cs: thesun.co.uk/GhislaineMaxwellReward
Royal Family step in AGAIN and force Prince Andrew to cancel junket to Bahrain | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7712625/Royal-Family-step-force-Prince-Andrew-cancel-junket-Bahrain.html)
Prince Andrew has long funded them, but can the Royal Family protect Eugenie and Beatrice? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7712587/Prince-Andrew-long-funded-Royal-Family-protect-Eugenie-Beatrice.html)
The redundant royal who will find it so hard to get out of the rough | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7712609/The-redundant-royal-hard-rough.html)
Prince Andrew stepping away from public duties is based 'on a half truth', says accuser's lawyer | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-stepping-away-from-public-duties-is-based-on-a-half-truth-says-accusers-lawyer-11866764)
Prince Andrew's massive income 'shrouded in fog of secrecy', investigator claims - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-massive-income-shrouded-20931513)
Prince Andrew cancels trip to Bahrain amid pressure to give evidence to FBI - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-cancels-trip-20931959)
Prince Andrew forced to fire most loyal aide by the Queen as Her Majesty lays down the law following car crash interview ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10397488/prince-andrew-aide-fired-queen/)
The time has come for Prince Charles step up and sort out the monarchy ? the Queen needs his help and support ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10396733/prince-charles-sort-out-monarchy/)
Prince Andrew?s daughters Princess Beatrice and Eugenie left ?deeply distressed? after Duke ?fights for survival? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10397731/prince-andrews-daughters-princess-beatrice-eugenie-distressed-duke-forced-step-down/)
Queen ?has sent message to Harry and Meghan not to step out of line by sacking Prince Andrew? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10397816/queen-warning-prince-harry-meghan-markle/)
Prince Andrew is forced to pull out of trip to Bahrain as pressure to give evidence over Epstein scandal mounts ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10396336/prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-buckingham-palace-crisis-talks-duke-scandal/)
Prince Andrew was ?given young neurosurgeon? by Jeffery Epstein during Mexico ranch visit says former housekeeper ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/10397210/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-neurosurgeon-ranch/)
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RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Royal scandal exclusive - and it's not Randy Andy but Dirty Bertie! | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7712433/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Royal-scandal-exclusive-not-Randy-Andy-Dirty-Bertie.html)
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Prince Andrew?s behaviour has put the very future of the monarchy in doubt | Gaby Hinsliff | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/21/prince-andrew-monarchy-institution-future-jeffrey-epstein)
Prince Andrew to continue work on mentor scheme, says palace | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/21/prince-andrew-lawyers-for-jeffrey-epstein-victims-hint-at-subpoena)
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Queen ?has sent message to Harry and Meghan not to step out of line by sacking Prince Andrew? ? The Sun
Emily Andrew's source is Clarence House, she wrote it yesterday whilst flying/a few feet from Charles and Camilla.
Where to start!
I am not posting support of his I?ll choices or victim shaming.
Andrew. Single and adult can be with any adult woman of consent. ?Personal times ? with a person of consent and of legal age are not immoral, illegal, etc.
Virgina was of legal age in The UK. 17/is of legal age.
This was 18 years ago.
Why then did she not make a break for it at some point? Her ? captive? situation ? was different from the dire situations of girls with unknown demons ( those participating as buyers and sellers of these girls). I cannot call those who drug, capture, sex enslave a, these demons, people, because they are not people.
Who, where were her parents / caretakers/ guardians?
Virgina is giving an interview.
Good for her, her story, but I do wish her maybe not. I say that because she needs so much privacy, mental help working with a therapist, and just, well, she has to live her life forever until the day she dies with thoughts of that nightmare life . I have sympathy for her.
Andrew. He has to resign from all his BRF . For not the foreseeable future, but for the rest of his life.
Yes, his lifestyle funding needs to be cut since he is not taking on any patronages.
This is drastic and yes , one mistake and yes, but it is to save the BRF. It is to start , etc. modern, newer changes PC wants coming any. Andrew just needs to take a backseat.Fade into background.
Being with Virgina was not wrong as it was consensual with two adults.
Yes, there high class call girls whether you like it or not.
What was wrong was that Andrew has repeatedly befriended shady people.
As long as the money is right, then you are a buddy or business of Andrews. AND Sarahs.
Once he found out about Epstein, underage call girls, NO. Those on the he inside , multimillionaire, royal and political men, women too, knew of Epstein?s side business.
ANDREW could have gone to a better way for a high class call girl.
People like Andrew, some people, use the services of high class call girls.
Epstein has known, you know it, to be sleepy, by thosevin the know from the beginning.
Andrew met and stayed at this things home.
Again, Andrew inviting Gisalane to all those birthday parties.
Again, Andrew, just being Andrew. Again, the ruin of Sunnighill and the Eastern oligarch or moneyed Middle Eastener who bought it at such a crazy , inflated price as a money favor to Andrew in exchange for whatever.
Again, Sarah trying to sell Andrew. Looking back now, she did nothing wrong to him. She probably was going to tell him of her business deal ....for the girls, of course. Securing the girl?s future.
This scandal of this is not like the comedy- drama of PC-Diana-Camilla, WillKate, MegHen. This is not a wrong outfit or verbal gaff.
People move away from sex scandals of the underaged.
Quote from: wannable on November 22, 2019, 12:55:04 PM
Emily Andrew's source is Clarence House, she wrote it yesterday whilst flying/a few feet from Charles and Camilla.
I find this hard to believe. When Did harry and Meghan get involved with a dubious character such as Epstein. Why would they need a warning? Charles is allegedly fond of Meghan as well. Andrew is the one in Deep Trouble. Not harry and meghan. I think the Queen does not listen to gossip and I do believe she is fond of Meghan and Harry. Andrew could face 1) prison time; 2) major lawsuit. Serious. Big time.
The Queen and Prince Andrew ride together after his 'sacking' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7714587/Queen-Prince-Andrew-ride-solidarity-Majesty-sacked-him.html)
Former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith claims Prince Andrew's 'racism' was widely known | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7714341/Former-Home-Secretary-Jacqui-Smith-claims-Prince-Andrews-racism-widely-known.html)
Prince Andrew will face fresh crisis as BBC's Panorama interview will air on December 2 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7714751/Prince-Andrew-face-fresh-crisis-BBCs-Panorama-interview-air-December-2.html)
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Beatrice and Eugenie 'deeply distressed' over Epstein scandal but stand by Prince Andrew, friends say (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/22/prince-andrew-latest-news-beatrice-eugenie-deeply-distressed/)
Prince Andrew dumped by Royal Philharmonic Orchestra | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-and-queen-out-horse-riding-as-charities-reviews-continue-11867152)
Sarah Ferguson: What did Fergie advise Prince Andrew ahead of doomed BBC interview? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207504/sarah-ferguson-prince-andrew-bbc-interview-fergie-advice)
Prince Andrew news: How Prince Charles excluded Andrew from royal life | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208000/prince-andrew-news-prince-charles-royal-family-excluded-spt)
Sarah Ferguson news: How Andrew and Fergie have have supported each other amid scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207970/sarah-ferguson-news-prince-andrew-fergie-support-crisis-scandal-royal-spt)
Kate Middleton news: Kate and William are the Queen's saving grace | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207966/kate-middleton-news-prince-william-meghan-markle-prince-harry-the-queen-royal-news)
The Queen news: Royal family MUST ?pull together? to end year of chaos after ?severe blow? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207953/the-queen-news-prince-andrew-interview-meghan-markle-prince-harry-royal-family-news)
Princess Eugenie and Beatrice speak out on Andrew: How daughters are devastated REVEALED | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207880/princess-eugenie-princess-beatrice-prince-andrew-epstein-interview)
Prince Andrew news: SNP politician urges to 'slim down cascading Royal Family' on BBC QT | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207774/Prince-Andrew-news-SNP-Royal-Family-BBC-Question-Time-QT-interview-latest)
Prince Andrew forced to sack most senior member of staff after withdrawal from public duties - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-22/prince-andrew-forced-to-sack-most-senior-member-of-staff-after-withdrawal-from-public-duties/)
Quote from: sandy on November 22, 2019, 03:06:21 PM
I find this hard to believe. When Did harry and Meghan get involved with a dubious character such as Epstein. Why would they need a warning? Charles is allegedly fond of Meghan as well. Andrew is the one in Deep Trouble. Not harry and meghan. I think the Queen does not listen to gossip and I do believe she is fond of Meghan and Harry. Andrew could face 1) prison time; 2) major lawsuit. Serious. Big time.
Read the article, it's a generalization of toeing the line, conforming to the institution's/firm/the Monarchy ''standards'', rather than a compare and contrast of who is worst.
Today, all the RR's are saying Charles is the power behind the firing decision. Without his input, the Queen would have been dithering yet for what to do, ostrich syndrome, especially since it has to do with her child. The RR's are saying that Charles told her The Monarchy (The Country) above everything else.
I don't recall ever in recent history of the royals such a scandal as this one. And it is not over yet. And I think this was truly the worst public confession made by a royal. Ever. This is in a class by itself which I mean in the worst way. And at the parents' advanced ages in years where they should have a peaceful time, it is particularly bad. And Beatrice planning a wedding during this is too horrible for words. The poor young woman should be blissful just planning a wedding and getting married but now this!
Quote from: sandy on November 22, 2019, 03:06:21 PM
I find this hard to believe. When Did harry and Meghan get involved with a dubious character such as Epstein. Why would they need a warning? Charles is allegedly fond of Meghan as well. Andrew is the one in Deep Trouble. Not harry and meghan. I think the Queen does not listen to gossip and I do believe she is fond of Meghan and Harry. Andrew could face 1) prison time; 2) major lawsuit. Serious. Big time.
We have wait and see till Andrew will get in jailed or lawsuits between with two U.K. and USA investigators I know Duke of York is in big trouble but wait for plans A jail option or B lawsuit option stay tuned from Palace and Yorks to confirmation
Prince Andrew and Queen ride horses in first appearance together since furore - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-queen-ride-horses-20937028)
What's next for Beatrice and Eugenie after Andrew scandal - they'll have to 'focus on day job' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/whats-next-beatrice-eugenie-after-20935129)
The Queen takes Prince Andrew horse riding after sacking him over Epstein scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10400712/queen-prince-andrew-horse-ride-solidarity/)
Prince Andrew dropped by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra as another big business cuts ties with scandal-hit royal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10402271/prince-andrew-news-latest-patron-royal-philharmonic-orchestra/)
Prince Andrew will only step down from royal duties ?for a few months? over Jeffrey Epstein scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10399735/prince-andrew-step-down-royal-months-jeffrey-epstein/)
Its her father's doing..and IMO the queen should have put her foot dwon about Andrew ages ago...
Exactly
@amabel the signs were there, everyone saw it, it just got from bad to worst. He is going to get the 'commoner' treatment. After the firing, Charles is treating the Monarchy as a whole like any real big firm in the real world. This is modern history/modern monarchy/his vision turning reality for today and the immediate future, the next 10 years/decade. Experts, RR all alike are saying the same thing from their multiple inside sources. Andrew's staff have a deadline to leave Buckingham Palace or the facilities will be charged heavily, latest news too.
As I said the other day, companies have policies and procedures (the standard of the organization), anyone who breaks it, is fired. The rest of us receive a intranet reminder to read ALL the policies and procedures and a deadline date to certify (again) EACH rule via tests per policy, so if there is 200 rules, its 200 tests, if you fail to do all the tests until the deadline hour/minute, toast, fired as well. This in the most dangerous industry, oil and gas sector. Zero tolerance, Zero mistakes because we are handling the most dangerous substances that can kill the planet. Charles is practicing the same thing. Any member can put the Constitutional Monarchy of the UK in jeopardy. Toe the line like everyone in the working world do. :shrug:
Quote from: sandy on November 22, 2019, 04:18:13 PM
I don't recall ever in recent history of the royals such a scandal as this one. And it is not over yet. And I think this was truly the worst public confession made by a royal. Ever. This is in a class by itself which I mean in the worst way. And at the parents' advanced ages in years where they should have a peaceful time, it is particularly bad. And Beatrice planning a wedding during this is too horrible for words. The poor young woman should be blissful just planning a wedding and getting married but now this!
I?m agreed with you!! Beatrice get married in 2020 get worse on her dad?s scandalous I think will kept low profile and small wedding but no lavishly wedding and expect no televised wedding period I?m pray not get worse in 2020 🙏🏻🤞🏻🤐🤫
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Ex Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith says it was ?common knowledge Prince Andrew was racist? on GMB ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10398938/jacqui-smith-prince-andrew-claims-racist/)
Charles understands and was and will be determined that the Monarchy is not above reproach any longer, hence the firing decision.
Does Andrew still have the residence that was once called South York?
Quote from: sandy on November 22, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
Does Andrew still have the residence that was once called South York?
no I believe it was sold and tehn knocked down.....
Here is an article about when it was sold and later torn down.
Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson's home is demolished | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4265584/Andrew-Fergie-s-wedding-present-home-demolished.html)
Quote from: wannable on November 22, 2019, 04:14:18 PM
Read the article, it's a generalization of toeing the line, conforming to the institution's/firm/the Monarchy ''standards'', rather than a compare and contrast of who is worst.
Today, all the RR's are saying Charles is the power behind the firing decision. Without his input, the Queen would have been dithering yet for what to do, ostrich syndrome, especially since it has to do with her child. The RR's are saying that Charles told her The Monarchy (The Country) above everything else.
obviously, charles dont wants anymore bad pr. everything meghan and harry are bringing for several months now
Reports are now saying that he's also resigning from Pitch@Palace.
Quote from: TLLK on November 22, 2019, 07:28:07 PM
Reports are now saying that he's also resigning from Pitch@Palace.
Good. I wonder if he finally realises that he has doen something wrong?
probably charles had enough of andrew.
Prince Andrew resigns from his flagship Pitch@Palace project | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7715549/Prince-Andrew-resigns-Pitch-Palace-project-mounting-pressure.html)
HM Queen had enough of Duke of York like Waleses in 1992 separate for four years till divorce finale in August 1996
Bill Barr say Epstein's death was 'perfect storm of screw ups' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7714263/AG-Barr-Epstein-s-death-perfect-storm-screw-ups.html)
Prince Andrew 'locked outside in underpants' after Fergie row | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7714915/Prince-Andrew-got-locked-outside-underpants-row-Fergie-tour-Brisbane.html)
Prince Andrew's loyal bodyguard 'can't remember' if he was with his boss on his 2001 New York trip | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7714027/Prince-Andrews-loyal-bodyguard-remember-boss-2001-New-York-trip.html)
Sidelined: Prince Andrew's top aide behind 'car crash' Newsnight interview is shunted | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7712753/Sidelined-Prince-Andrews-aide-car-crash-Newsnight-interview-shunted.html)
Prince Andrew Forced to Cancel Business Trip Amid Epstein Scandal | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-forced-to-cancel-business-trip-for-his-key-cause-amid-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/)
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Prince Andrew: Barclays ends support for Pitch@Palace - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50517271)
Exclusive: Duchess of Sussex left aghast by Prince Andrew's description of sex as 'positive act' for men (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/22/exclusive-duchess-sussex-left-aghast-prince-andrews-description/)
Prince Andrew's private office to be moved out of Buckingham palace | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/22/prince-andrews-aide-steps-down-from-role-over-epstein-link)
How badly must you do your job for your own mother to fire you? Ask Prince Andrew | Marina Hyde | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/22/prince-andrew-duke-of-york-sacked)
Princess Eugenie and Beatrice speak out on Andrew: How daughters are devastated REVEALED | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207880/princess-eugenie-princess-beatrice-prince-andrew-epstein-interview)
Princess Beatrice and Eugenie ?deeply distressed? by Andrew scandal - source | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1207860/princess-beatrice-princess-eugenie-prince-andrew-epstein-interview-royal-news)
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Prince Andrew's daughters vow to 'keep calm and carry on' during dad's scandal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-daughters-vow-keep-20939683)
What's next for Beatrice and Eugenie after Andrew scandal - they'll have to 'focus on day job' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/whats-next-beatrice-eugenie-after-20935129)
Prince Andrew resigns from his own charity hours after the scandal-hit royal was ditched by Royal Philharmonic Orchestra ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10402271/prince-andrew-news-latest-pitch-palace/)
Prince Andrew is forced to move his private office out of Buckingham Palace after resigning from Pitch@Palace project (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10400712/queen-prince-andrew-resigning-office/)
Prince Andrew will only step down from royal duties ?for a few months? over Jeffrey Epstein scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10399735/prince-andrew-step-down-royal-months-jeffrey-epstein/)
Just few months I don?t know how long he will out public but he will be there at sandringham or not stay tuned dont says anything about that zipit 🤐🤫
The Duke of York?s right-hand woman loses her job ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/the-duke-of-yorks-right-hand-woman-loses-her-job-133791/)
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Gert?s Royals Twitter says
QuotePrince Andrew resigns as Patron of the English National Ballet, the 20th patronage to seperate from him.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1197929777237299200?s=21)
QuotePrincess Beatrice is still listed as Patron of the English National Ballet School, the official school of the @ENBallet.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1197930123816771589?s=21)
We have wait and see till confirmed from Palace and Yorks for fit this ballet patron stay tuned let ballet President decisions chosen 🩰🤐🤫
QuoteThe Royal Philharmonic Orchestra is the 19th, by my count, patronage to seperate from Prince Andrew.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1197927062117507072?s=21)
Majesty Magazine Twitter says
QuoteThe Duke of York has stepped down from his position as chancellor of @HuddersfieldUni with immediate effect to allow the university to appoint a new chancellor.
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Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein and the crucial new witnesses | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716275/Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-crucial-new-witnesses.html)
Wow! This doesn't look good at all, and it also appears that they were much closer friends than Andrew admitted them to be earlier. Someone should have advised Andrew to end this relationship years ago.
Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein and the crucial new witnesses | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716275/Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-crucial-new-witnesses.html)
Before Prince Andrew resigns from any patronages, could Queen Elizabeth II assign Princess Eugenie to take over some of the patronages' royal duties?
Eugenie is already a Patron of several charities/organisations. However, she is not a working or senior Royal nor are her engagements with regard to her charities noted in the CC. It is the same with Beatrice. It's possible that Eugenie might be asked to take over the ballet, I don't know, but IMO it is far more likely that the organisation would want a more senior working Royal to helm it. Someone not associated at all with Andrew or the house of York.
IMO it is now much more likely too that in the near future Andrew's daughters will retire more into private life than they are now. They are already unfortunately tainted by their father's misdeeds coming to roost and probably will be for decades to come.
(And the less we see and hear of their embarrassing ghastly mother's burblings about how wonderful and honourable her ex is and how fantastic they both are as parents (self congratulatory comments) the better.)
As for Andrew's position now it will all impact on his family. He will not only suffer loss of status but of income. No Sovereign Grant money, probably no more 'scratch my back I'll scratch yours' business contacts or obliging oligarchs. Just the DL money.
So Fergie for one had better watch that her spending doesn't get out of control again. I read in one of the broadsheets that some of Andrew's investments haven't been doing so well. That is likely to impact on his family as well. No more convenient Royal helicopter rides either. And a much more private wedding for Beatrice.
@Curryong Sadly, that's what the future looks like for Andrew. It will impact Fergie and his daughters.
Prince Andrew stayed at Bahamas home of designer Peter Nygard who faced sexual harassment complaints | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716827/Prince-Andrew-stayed-Bahamas-home-designer-Peter-Nygard-faced-sexual-harassment-complaints.html)
Has Prince Andrew's interview had repercussions for Beatrice? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7716671/Has-Prince-Andrews-interview-repercussions-Beatrice.html)
Prince Andrew's Office Moved Out of Buckingham Palace | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrews-office-has-been-moved-out-of-buckingham-palace-report/)
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Meghan Markle 'troubled' by Prince Andrew answers in car crash BBC interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-troubled-prince-andrew-20941075)
Prince Charles interrupts royal tour for 'stern words' with shamed Prince Andrew - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-breaks-royal-tour-20940253)
Prince Andrew forced out of flagship business project after sponsors pull plug - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-forced-out-flagship-20938378)
Shamed Prince Andrew 'forced to move private office out of Buckingham Palace' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shamed-prince-andrew-forced-move-20940077)
We applaud Prince Charles?s ?decisiveness over his brother ? but he still has plenty to do to shore up public support ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10406058/prince-charless-decisiveness-over-brother-plenty-to-do/)
The time has come for Prince Charles to step up and sort out the monarchy ? the Queen needs his help and support ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10396733/prince-charles-sort-out-monarchy/)
Stuck-up charlatan Prince Andrew ends life as a frontline royal in disgrace ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10389705/prince-andrew-royal-disgrace-charlatan/)
Prince Andrew fallout: Why Queen Elizabeth had to let him go - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/uk/prince-andrew-fallout-analysis-gbr-intl/index.html)
Prince Andrew is now a royal without a role. But who is paying? - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/uk/prince-andrew-money-intl-gbr/index.html)
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Royal Family Scandals That Shocked The World | Reader's Digest (https://www.rd.com/culture/royal-family-scandals/)
11 Royal Family Scandals From The Past (https://www.littlethings.com/royal-family-scandals/)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/world/europe/andrew-epstein-royal-scandals.html
Edward VIII abdicates - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/edward-viii-abdicates)
Edward VIII abdicates | History TV (https://www.history.co.uk/this-day-in-history/11-december/edward-viii-abdicates)
https://www.foxnews.com/world/prince-andrew-epstein-allegations-edward-viii-greene-says
Former King Edward VIII got abdication in 1936 for 83 years due fell in love with America actress Wallis Simpson but former King Edward VIII becomes Duke of Windsor neither throne or marry option but he chosen marry to Wallis Simpson I?m hope Duke of York wouldnt going follow him like that 🙏🏻🤞🏻
Quote from: Blue Clover on November 23, 2019, 12:05:57 AM
Wow! This doesn't look good at all, and it also appears that they were much closer friends than Andrew admitted them to be earlier. Someone should have advised Andrew to end this relationship years ago.
Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein and the crucial new witnesses | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716275/Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-crucial-new-witnesses.html)
It quite obvious that Andrew does not listen to any advice. he didn't care...
Andrew's arrogance and attitude have become his undoing. Charles has lived a far more lavish lifestyle but unlike Andrew has a humbleness and work ethic that Andrew has always lacked. The Queen should have reigned in Andrew years ago favorite son or not when his antics starting as a teen tarnished the image of the monarchy.
Lawyer representing Jeffrey Epstein's alleged victims says Prince Andrew was 'enabler' of his crimes | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7717481/Lawyer-representing-Jeffrey-Epsteins-alleged-victims-says-Prince-Andrew-enabler-crimes.html)
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#PrinceAndrew, I'm hearing, is toast. Read the papers tomorrow folks.
But @BBCNewsnight got him first
The BBC allegedly has an exclusive
Meghan Markle ?troubled? by Prince Andrew saying sex is ?positive act? in car-crash interview ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10406217/meghan-markle-troubled-prince-andrew-interview/)
Epstein 'madam' Ghislaine Maxwell 'milked billionaire dad & threw lavish parties with beautiful women' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10395886/epstein-madam-ghislaine-maxwell-milked-billionaire-dad-and-threw-lavish-parties-with-beautiful-women/)
Prince Andrew stayed at Bahamas home of ?Hugh Hefner of Canada? who paid to settle sex harassment complaints ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10406292/prince-andrew-bahamas-hugh-hefner-canada-sex-harassment/)
Time for the couple to clean up the Sussex leakers. The comment section is plain ugly.
Quote from: wannable on November 23, 2019, 04:05:14 PM
Time for the couple to clean up the Sussex leakers. The comment section is plain ugly.
I?m agreed with you,
@wannable
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Victoria's Secret model and think tank director were among visitors to Epstein during Andrew's stay | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718193/Victorias-Secret-model-think-tank-director-visitors-Epstein-Andrews-stay.html)
Prince Andrew's personal Royal Standard flag is removed from the roof of the Royal Lodge | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718335/Prince-Andrews-personal-Royal-Standard-flag-removed-roof-Royal-Lodge.html)
Meghan Markle 'troubled' by Prince Andrew saying sex is a 'positive act' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716761/Meghan-Markle-troubled-Prince-Andrew-saying-sex-positive-act.html)
https://www.today.com/video/prince-andrew-s-royal-office-moved-out-of-buckingham-palace-73954373708
Prince Andrew charity Pitch@Palace booted out of Buckingham Palace - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-charity-pitchpalace-booted-out-of-buckingham-palace/)
Prince Andrew's palace venture criticised over links to Chinese firm banned by US (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/23/prince-andrews-palace-venture-criticised-links-chinese-firm/)
Princess Eugenie and Beatrice: Are their royal roles affected by Prince Andrew backlash? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208411/princess-beatrice-princess-eugenie-prince-andrew-epstein-royal-family)
Prince Andrew latest: Charles to 'read riot act' to Andrew as he returns from tour | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208395/prince-andrew-latest-prince-charles-riot-act-BBC-newsnight-interview-jeffrey-epstein)
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Prince Andrew: ?Palace needs to shut him down!? Queen must take action, says expert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208346/Prince-Andrew-Queen-Elizabeth-son-monarchy-Virginia-Giuffre-Epstein-Interview-latest)
"Shamed Prince Andrew will ensure it will be the worst Christmas for the royals" - Rachael Bletchly - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shamed-prince-andrew-ensure-worst-20944683)
Its wouldn?t be good for Duke of York on holidays expect the members of royal family and Yorks girls humiliation
Prince Andrew accuser gives new Jeffrey Epstein details in first UK interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-accuser-gives-new-20937104)
Prince Andrew's personal Royal Standard flag is removed from the roof of the Royal Lodge | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718335/Prince-Andrews-personal-Royal-Standard-flag-removed-roof-Royal-Lodge.html)
The flag and pole were removed from the Royal Lodge.
As far as those headlines listed by sara--I am commenting on two of them, I find it amazing how the DM drags Meghan into this story.
Also I don't think Princess Bea and Princess Eugenie will be effected since they probably would not be given a part in the scaled down monarchy. They will be seen at events and live a low key lifestyle like Zara Tindall. IMO.
Apparently Beatrice was with her father convinced the interview would do good, and she's been crying all week since.
I wonder what's the BBC bombshelll
It's an interview with Virginia Roberts Gueffre the BBC have lined up, apparently. Maybe she has more proof raked up from somewhere.
One of Andrew's exes said that she became convinced that Epstein's residence had cameras behind the walls and that they were switched on when she stayed at one of his homes. These places were no doubt as creepy as heck.
Quote from: wannable on November 24, 2019, 12:31:25 AM
Apparently Beatrice was with her father convinced the interview would do good, and she's been crying all week since.
I wonder what's the BBC bombshelll
If this is true, I wonder what Bea was thinking!
^^oh dear, that would be Andrew is toast.
^this must be the worst ever life event not only for Beatrice, also Eugenie. But if Beatrice had a hand in that interview, she will feel double bad and guilty crap choices forever.
It does show if true she is really sheltered and naive.
Quote from: wannable on November 23, 2019, 11:27:12 PM
Prince Andrew's personal Royal Standard flag is removed from the roof of the Royal Lodge | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718335/Prince-Andrews-personal-Royal-Standard-flag-removed-roof-Royal-Lodge.html)
The flag and pole were removed from the Royal Lodge.
I?m already post same articles why you add same articles not twice!! See #351
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Quote from: wannable on November 24, 2019, 12:44:56 AM
^^oh dear, that would be Andrew is toast.
^this must be the worst ever life event not only for Beatrice, also Eugenie. But if Beatrice had a hand in that interview, she will feel double bad and guilty crap choices forever.
I know it?s so hard for Yorks sister on her dad?s scandal for weeks no laughing matter but it?s so seriously matter
Princess Beatrice 'helped set up her father Prince Andrew's car-crash BBC interview' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718663/Princess-Beatrice-helped-set-father-Prince-Andrews-car-crash-BBC-interview.html)
Prince Andrew enjoys party at Tramp nightclub 72 hours after Virginia Roberts claims they went | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718795/Prince-Andrew-enjoys-party-Tramp-nightclub-72-hours-Virginia-Robertss-claims-went.html)
Picture that haunts Prince Andrew is seen in full for the first time, revealing house interior | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718689/Picture-haunts-Prince-Andrew-seen-time-revealing-house-interior.html)
Prince Andrew secretly met Jeffrey Epstein's 'madam' Ghislaine Maxwell at Buckingham Palace | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718971/Prince-Andrew-secretly-met-Jeffrey-Epsteins-madam-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Buckingham-Palace.html)
Queen cancels Prince Andrew's 60th birthday party | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7719141/Queen-cancels-Prince-Andrews-60th-birthday-party.html)
No big birthday party for Duke of York per HM Queen?s decisions wake up call of Jeffrey Epstein scandal investigation and bbc interview bombshell
Prince Andrew is ALREADY plotting a comeback, but Charles wants him 'permanently retired' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718731/Prince-Andrew-plotting-comeback-Charles-wants-permanently-retired.html)
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Met faces new questions over ?trafficked? teen in Epstein case | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/23/metropolitan-police-faces-new-questions-trafficked-teen-prince-andrew-panorama)
Ex-lapdancer says Prince Andrew blew raspberry on her breasts at Epstein party - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-lapdancer-says-prince-andrew-20946791)
Queen cancels Prince Andrew's 60th birthday party in new blow for shamed royal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-cancels-prince-andrews-60th-20948024)
Prince Andrew met with Jeffrey Epstein?s ?madam? Ghislaine Maxwell for secret summit at Buckingham Palace ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10409906/prince-andrew-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-palace/)
This is not slowing down.
Pier Morgan?s Twitter says
QuoteAs the Prince Andrew scandal continues to rage, I feel so sorry for his daughters Beatrice & Eugenie. They're both delightful young ladies. This must be absolutely horrendous for them.
The Duke of Cambridge was unhappy with his uncle's behaviour and decided his removal from public life was 'the right thing to do', a source told The Sunday Times.
Another said he had spoken to the Queen and Prince Charles about Andrew's future, adding: 'William is becoming more and more involved in decisions about the institution [monarchy] and he's not a huge fan of his uncle Andrew.'
- Roya Nikkhah reporting from The Sunday Times
With the elections and Brexit, 2020 many changes will be happening with the BRF. The Sunday Times also ordered a poll. And HM government.
I wonder if they will be doing a Sweden.
Quote from: sara8150 on November 23, 2019, 04:00:50 PM
Meghan Markle ?troubled? by Prince Andrew saying sex is ?positive act? in car-crash interview ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10406217/meghan-markle-troubled-prince-andrew-interview/)
Epstein 'madam' Ghislaine Maxwell 'milked billionaire dad & threw lavish parties with beautiful women' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10395886/epstein-madam-ghislaine-maxwell-milked-billionaire-dad-and-threw-lavish-parties-with-beautiful-women/)
Prince Andrew stayed at Bahamas home of ?Hugh Hefner of Canada? who paid to settle sex harassment complaints ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10406292/prince-andrew-bahamas-hugh-hefner-canada-sex-harassment/)
what a stupid move of meghan. here all she will get is trouble with the queen who let obvious is supporting Andrew. And it's Charles and William who decided get rid of Andrew
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Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 24, 2019, 12:40:28 PM
The Duke of Cambridge was unhappy with his uncle's behaviour and decided his removal from public life was 'the right thing to do', a source told The Sunday Times.
Another said he had spoken to the Queen and Prince Charles about Andrew's future, adding: 'William is becoming more and more involved in decisions about the institution [monarchy] and he's not a huge fan of his uncle Andrew.'
- Roya Nikkhah reporting from The Sunday Times
I read charles is now the most popular member of the monarchy.... and yes william is getting more and more involved with the monarchy... first i didnt believe he will get that involved in this situation...
british monarchy needs to follow scandinavian monarchies and get streamlined...
I think Charles who is planning the scaled down monarchy has plans to execute his purpose down the road. He will call all the shots there and probably has a scheme. I wonder if he will remove the titles of Bea and Eugenie.
I don't think Charles will ever be popular with everybody to put it mildly. I do think with the Andrew situation the whole family is now looked at more critically, just my take on it.
Quote from: dianab on November 24, 2019, 01:31:40 PM
what a stupid move of meghan. here all she will get is trouble with the queen who let obvious is supporting Andrew. And it's Charles and William who decided get rid of Andrew
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I read charles is now the most popular member of the monarchy....
I read the article and again it is a source "close" to a Susex member of staff. Meghan hasn't said a word herself and IMO it is the xenophobic DM stirring the Meghan pot again.
first place i saw meghan article was telelgraph... not a tabloid story
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Quote from: sandy on November 24, 2019, 01:33:00 PM
I think Charles who is planning the scaled down monarchy has plans to execute his purpose down the road. He will call all the shots there and probably has a scheme. I wonder if he will remove the titles of Bea and Eugenie.
i hope so! they shouldnt to be living in st james palace and kp. i already thought that long before this epstein scandal
I think all this scandal is very bad to the monarchy. who knows how much charles popularity will last?
Quote from: Trudie on November 24, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
I read the article and again it is a source "close" to a Susex member of staff. Meghan hasn't said a word herself and IMO it is the xenophobic DM stirring the Meghan pot again.
I agree. And also that william is not the one calling the shots. I can only imagine if he tried to make the decision with his father and grandmother present. I think unless Charles and the Queen are incapacitated, William has little influence.
A writer in the NY Post today openly called for Charles to withdraw titles of Bea and Eugenie and praised Anne for not giving her children titles.
i think the queen didnt call the shots at all in this andrew situation.
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-Prince William is 'not a huge fan' of his uncle Prince Andrew and helped his father Charles and The Queen make decision to sack him, claim
-Palace insiders who say the Duke of York 'hoodwinked' his mother over interview
-Duke of Cambridge is said to be unhappy at his disgraced relative's behaviour, according to a royal source
-He is believed to have spoken with the Queen and Prince Charles about removing Andrew from public life
-Duke of York revealed plans to speak about scandal with the Queen but 'didn't go into details', it's claimed
PUBLISHED: 08:16 GMT, 24 November 2019 | UPDATED: 10:48 GMT, 24 November 2019
By RORY TINGLE FOR MAILONLINE and KATE MANSEY and CHARLOTTE GRIFFITHS FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
The Duke of Cambridge is 'not a huge fan' of Prince Andrew, it was reported today, amid claims he 'hoodwinked' the Queen by not warning her he was about to discuss the scandal at length in a disastrous BBC interview.
Andrew and the Queen had a 'son-to-mother' conversation, in which he let her know he was going to talk about his relationship with the late paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein but 'without going into details', a royal source said.
The Duke of Cambridge was unhappy with his uncle's behaviour and decided his removal from public life was 'the right thing to do', a source told The Sunday Times.
Another said he had spoken to the Queen and Prince Charles about Andrew's future, adding: 'William is becoming more and more involved in decisions about the institution [monarchy] and he's not a huge fan of his uncle Andrew.'
Prince William is 'not a huge fan' of his uncle Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7719587/Prince-William-not-huge-fan-uncle-Prince-Andrew.html#comments)
Prince Andrew is ALREADY plotting a comeback, but Charles wants him 'permanently retired': Duke intends clearing his name by speaking to the FBI as Royal sources say he is 'naively positive'
-Prince Andrew is on a potential collision course with the Prince of Wales
-Prince Charles plans to make the Duke of York's expulsion permanent
-Comes after Andrew was sacked from royal duties following BBC interview
By CHARLOTTE WACE ROYAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 23:00 GMT, 23 November 2019 | UPDATED: 08:23 GMT, 24 November 2019
The Duke of York intends to make a grand comeback after clearing his name, The Mail on Sunday has been told.
But sources say that his brazen self-belief, which Palace insiders believe is misplaced, risks putting him on a potential collision course with the Prince of Wales.
Prince Charles was instrumental in effectively sacking his younger brother last week. And while Andrew?s statement said he was stepping back from public duties for the ?foreseeable future?, it is understood that Charles has every intention of making his expulsion permanent.
Prince Andrew is ALREADY plotting a comeback, but Charles wants him 'permanently retired' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718731/Prince-Andrew-plotting-comeback-Charles-wants-permanently-retired.html)
i'm sure old liz supports the ideas of her darling son!
Well she 'voiced' the shots, but everyone is saying it is Charles (and William). Now reports of courtiers of CH/KP with confidential meetings with Parliament, meaning they are talking with the Future King and Future POW. It sounds like the Queen, since she didn't take action soon enough, her age, etc. the real decision makers had to literally push her. What I understand of the rumors of these meetings is 1. Andrew is the catalyst 2. Elections 3. Immediate, mid term and long term POST BREXIT.
Basically the people of the UK support to pay Monarch, POW/wife, and DOC plus his family.
PETER HITCHENS: Let's save the monarchy... by getting rid of the Royals | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7719077/PETER-HITCHENS-Lets-save-monarchy-getting-rid-Royals.html)
Shamed Andrew has ?damaged monarchy? - poll verdict on the Prince | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208556/prince-andrew-latest-news-jeffrey-epstein-royal-family-bbc-interview)
Prince Andrew passes baton to Eugenie and Beatrice, 'Sins of father can't impact children' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208588/prince-andrew-jeffery-epstein-sponsors-patronage-royal-news-latest-eugenie-beatrice-charit)
It seems to me that the queen having improved somewhat and become more flexible in her way of thinking.. has never gotten over her blind spot with regard to Andrew. either she thinks he did nothing wrong.. or (I HOPE this isn't the case) that even if he did do some stupd and wrong things.. he is still her adored son and a prince and that she really would prefer him to stay as a working and favoured royal..
Not surprising at all William was involved with the Andrew decision. He has a stake in all of this don?t forget. The Sunday Times is a pretty good source.
In addition, The Telegraph did a piece on Prince William and the Duchy of Cornwall. It noted as well as having a close working relationship with Charles, William also meets ?regularly? with The Queen.
New poll reveals more than half of British public want Prince Andrew BANNED from royal events | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7719953/New-poll-reveals-half-British-public-want-Prince-Andrew-BANNED-royal-events.html)
Charles is now viewed as the 'nation's favourite', royal expert claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7719737/Charles-viewed-nations-favourite-royal-expert-claims.html)
Taxpayers spent more than ?250,000 on Prince Andrew's security team during foreign trips | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7719681/Taxpayers-spent-250-000-Prince-Andrews-security-team-foreign-trips.html)
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Prince Andrew to withdraw from scores of charities | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/24/prince-andrew-to-withdraw-from-scores-of-charities)
Prince Andrew shame: The painful blow Queen dealt Duke in wake of royal retreat | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208722/prince-andrew-queen-elizabeth-ii-birthday-party-prince-andrew-BBC-newsnight-interview)
Prince Andrew: Final disgrace as Prince has to quit flagship Royal role | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208203/Prince-Andrew-latest-BBC-interview-royal-news)
Queen Elizabeth II news: How Queen has faced general election crisis over Andrew before | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1208069/queen-elizabeth-ii-news-royal-family-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-general-election-spt)
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Woman who claims Prince Andrew groped her pictured for first time in 10 years - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-groped-prince-andrew-epsteins-20952944)
Prince Andrew to step back from all 230 of his patronages after Epstein interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-step-down-20952794)
Prince William 'not a fan' of his uncle Prince Andrew and helped get him 'sacked' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-not-fan-uncle-20951020)
Uncropped version of infamous Prince Andrew photo shows mystery thumb - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uncropped-version-infamous-prince-andrew-20948872)
Princess Beatrice 'set up Prince Andrew's interview - and has been crying since' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrice-set-up-prince-20948658)
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Prince William is 'not a huge fan' of Andrew and 'joined calls to sack him from royal business' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10411499/prince-william-prince-andrew-sack-royal/)
It is a no brainer to suspend Andrew's work. There allegedly appears to have been bad blood between the York girls and Kate or so the media said. Maybe that does not lead to William "liking" Andrew.
Prince Andrew to stand aside from all 230 of his patronages | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/24/prince-andrew-to-withdraw-from-scores-of-charities?__twitter_impression=true)
QuoteThe announcement that the duke was stepping back from all of his 230 patronages came after he resigned as patron of London Metropolitan University, following a meeting of its governors on Tuesday. The university had said it opposed ?all forms of discrimination, abuse and human trafficking?.
Quote from: TLLK on November 25, 2019, 12:27:39 AM
Prince Andrew to stand aside from all 230 of his patronages | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/24/prince-andrew-to-withdraw-from-scores-of-charities?__twitter_impression=true)
wel sounds like that is it. the only people who will assocate with him work wise now are oligarchs of dubious morality...
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Quote from: sandy on November 24, 2019, 11:50:23 PM
It is a no brainer to suspend Andrew's work. There allegedly appears to have been bad blood between the York girls and Kate or so the media said. Maybe that does not lead to William "liking" Andrew.
Or perhaps he thinks that his uncle is an arrogant prat who has a bad attitude towards women.. and who has by his acitons damaged the RF>..
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Quote from: wannable on November 21, 2019, 11:17:06 PM
2% of earnings with each benefactor using crown estate facilities, and he still wanted to travel tomorrow to Bahrain. :thumbsdown: :fuming:
He will not go easy, but neither did his great Uncle (E VIII). According to two biographies that I read, it took a long time for Edward to fully understand what his abdication meant.
@amabel-Yes I tend to believe that it's been Andrew's and Sarah's well documented remarks and actions over the decades that have led to William's poor opinion of his uncle rather than some alleged "bad blood" stories from the tabloids.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on November 25, 2019, 06:00:44 AM
He will not go easy, but neither did his great Uncle (E VIII). According to two biographies that I read, it took a long time for Edward to fully understand what his abdication meant.
Edward VIII's when Duke of windsor's greatest "pain" was from his wife not getting to be an HRH. This rankled with him for the rest of his life.
Andrew should be thankful if it does not get to the lawsuit or prosecution stage. And he can live a quiet retirement, he is not going to want for money.
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I wonder if Bea and Edo will have the wedding in Italy after all. The Queen may travel to it though.
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I'm just wondering when the first book about this scandal will appear. It's inevitable IMO
I do wonder if Edoardo even sticks around. This was probably not the attention he had in mind. Who knows.
Sidenote: Paul Burrell inviting himself to the discussion, as per ususal. Dislikeable man.
Apparently, reports are that the pictures today of Beatrice and Edoardo driving to Windsor Castle was to visit The Queen and Prince Phillip (who came for the weekend).
@sandy very likely, the couple left with big smiles, so any guess is good. What reporters today are tweeting is that Andrew is no longer (benefactor of the GBP 350 annually) of the sovereign grant, so tied to it and his shenanigans, it won't be taking place at St. Georges Chapel or any crown estate properties.
The wedding will probably take place privately in some Royal chapel.. but it will be a small affair and the public wont see any of it. I doubt if Bea will marry abroad, as Im sure she would like her grandmother and Phil to attend.. and they are not likely to feel able to travel abroad. but it will be a quiet affair...
Quote from: sandy on November 25, 2019, 04:34:44 PM
I wonder if Bea and Edo will have the wedding in Italy after all. The Queen may travel to it though.
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I'm just wondering when the first book about this scandal will appear. It's inevitable IMO
No!! HMQ and Philip wouldn?t allowed traveling to Italy both in 90?s UK government wouldn?t permitted for that what I?m mentioning in Beatrice and Edu?s engagement thread before my answer is NO!!
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Quote from: amabel on November 25, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
The wedding will probably take place privately in some Royal chapel.. but it will be a small affair and the public wont see any of it. I doubt if Bea will marry abroad, as Im sure she would like her grandmother and Phil to attend.. and they are not likely to feel able to travel abroad. but it will be a quiet affair...
That true!! HMQ and Philip too old for traveling but UK government wouldn?t allowed for that but Beatrice and Eduardo need kept low profile and small wedding in Italy I?m already told
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If it gets difficult really difficult, they may have a very quiet wedding in the UK, with maybe an official photo and nothing else.
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Did Eugenie stay out of it? I have not seen her name in reference to stories about Andrew and the interview.
Quote from: sandy on November 25, 2019, 11:04:14 PM
Did Eugenie stay out of it? I have not seen her name in reference to stories about Andrew and the interview.
I don?t think so Eugenie didn?t include on her dad?s scandal nope!!
Quote from: amabel on November 25, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
The wedding will probably take place privately in some Royal chapel.. but it will be a small affair and the public wont see any of it. I doubt if Bea will marry abroad, as Im sure she would like her grandmother and Phil to attend.. and they are not likely to feel able to travel abroad. but it will be a quiet affair...
There is always the historic Chapel Royal at St. James Palace where Queen Victoria and Prince Albert married. It's small but perhaps this is a better choice for Princess Beatrice and Eduardo's wedding.
The Chapel Royal | The Royal Family (https://www.royal.uk/chapelroyal)
Quote from: sandy on November 25, 2019, 01:24:06 PM
Edward VIII's when Duke of windsor's greatest "pain" was from his wife not getting to be an HRH. This rankled with him for the rest of his life.
Andrew should be thankful if it does not get to the lawsuit or prosecution stage. And he can live a quiet retirement, he is not going to want for money.
Yes Sandy the DOW's greatest pain was his wife not getting the HRH and Andrew's greatest pain is his daughters not being working royals and not having their bodyguards. There is a lot of similarities between the DOE and Andrew and money is the big denominator. The DOW milked his brother for years getting a hefty allowance and I had read somewhere that George VI had to buy Sandringham from him. When Elizabeth came to the throne she put a stop to it however in this reign Andrew will milk his mother for a generous allowance until Charles reigns and puts a stop to it.
Brits say just the Queen, Prince Charles and William should be funded by taxpayers ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10410756/royal-poll-taxpayer-funding-prince-andrew/)
Yes, during the negotiations before the Abdication Edward VIII deliberately lied about the state of his finances, moaning that he would be poor, and misleading the King and his legal representatives about the extremely large sum of money he had salted away over the years from Duchy Funds, which the dead George V knew about but George VI didn't.
He sold both Balmoral and Sandringham to his brother for a large sum which left George and his wife short on available funds for themselves for years.
Edward worshipped money and would have done virtually anything to get more, just like Andrew. He entered some very shady currency deals in Florida during WW2 at a time when Britain was fighting for its very existence. Andrew's cut from the same corrupt cloth, IMO.
Quote from: Curryong on November 26, 2019, 02:07:59 AM
Yes, during the negotiations before the Abdication Edward VIII deliberately lied about the state of his finances, moaning that he would be poor, and misleading the King and his legal representatives about the extremely large sum of money he had salted away over the years from Duchy Funds, which the dead George V knew about but George VI didn't.
He sold both Balmoral and Sandringham to his brother for a large sum which left George and his wife short on available funds for themselves for years.
Edward worshipped money and would have done virtually anything to get more, just like Andrew. He entered some very shady currency deals in Florida during WW2 at a time when Britain was fighting for its very existence. Andrew's cut from the same corrupt cloth, IMO.
I have been thinking about the similarities, too. Edward complained all his life that he was poor and I am sure we will hear the same from Andrew if privy to his conversations with his mother and brother.
Meanwhile, he has been generous with his children...they have extensive haute couture wardrobes, he probably funded all their living expenses with all that travel, which must have added up. Hopefully they are more independent now.
Quote from: TLLK on November 25, 2019, 11:20:05 PM
There is always the historic Chapel Royal at St. James Palace where Queen Victoria and Prince Albert married. It's small but perhaps this is a better choice for Princess Beatrice and Eduardo's wedding.
The Chapel Royal | The Royal Family (https://www.royal.uk/chapelroyal)
Definitely. They should really do it soon and quietly.. and then Bea can get on with her life.
The rumour is the Andrew What We Know is that, to be continued in January*, to not disrupt Elections Front Page News.
January* more media information of 1. Charles riot act with his brother, and sit-down with his son (see to a lesser extent preparing the present and future assurances), 2. Beatrice's wedding 3. other BRF decisions
Why would Charles have a "sit down" with Harry? It's like paying attention to a speck of dirt on the floor when a huge fire is raging in a house. Andrew is the one with the severe and I mean severe trouble.
He will have a sit-down with Harry and Meghan. Charles and William need the assurance from the couple that they will toe the line.
It's now that the Andrew problem is fresh rather than have another buildup for a full blown crisis of 'doing things how I want', bad headlines, monarchy drama.
I don't think William will add fuel to the fire (or I hope not) by "lecturing" Harry . Charles is the one to talk to his son and is still in charge. I rather think Charles is sympathetic to Harry and Meghan and their treatment by the media. I remember his "cursing one out" was caught on a live microphone during an interview. William needs to stay out of it IMO. I think Charles might have a few words to say to William since it takes two to make an alleged "feud." I think William "warning" Harry about Meghan caused a rift and did not help matters much. Maybe Charles will tell William to to the line and not be rude to Meghan. I would hope Charles shows some perspective and blames them both for the "rift" if one exists.
The "threat" of Andrew being sued seems to be looming large. This can't be tamped down anymore.
Who is William to seek assurances from anyone? Even when he gets to be Prince of Wales, which is not yet, that doesn't mean he will be a sort of co-ruler with Charles.
Charles certainly hasn't been consulted by the Queen every time a decision has had to be made. She as heir did not co-rule with her father, and Prince Edward certainly didn't try that with his father, nor the future Edward VII with his mother.
All those monarchs were/are perfectly able to make decisions on their own, and so it will be with King Charles. I doubt very very much that he'll be phoning William every five minutes wanting advice.
Whilst one discounts William, the opinion will be who is he? Whilst one is aware and knows that the Monarchy functions with no equality and that there has been facts of William heavily involved lately, past 2 years and ongoing.
Whilst we have reports from all media that both Charles and William were consulted, intervened, matter of fact where the Andrew Decision Makers, the Queen just executed after the talks.
I think if William disagreed with Charles and his grandmother, it would be of no use and he would be disregarded. The media says that William is not a "fan" of his Uncle Andrew which seems to be irrelevant. That's not the point. It is that Andrew is involved in a scandal it really does not matter how William "feels about him." Some may not be "fans" of william in that family but that does not mean William should be "retired." William is not a major decision maker and is subordinate to his grandmother and his father. For one reason or another william is being built up in the media at this point in time.
He is a major decision maker, the latest news had the 2 Charles and William on the phone with Granny. As I said, whilst there is a resistance of how the monarchy works, and that eventually who will be ascended and crowned, of course the opinion will be to the sort of Who Is He? :shrug:
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Quote from: sandy on November 26, 2019, 03:18:58 PM
I think if William disagreed with Charles and his grandmother, it would be of no use and he would be disregarded. The media says that William is not a "fan" of his Uncle Andrew which seems to be irrelevant. That's not the point. It is that Andrew is involved in a scandal it really does not matter how William "feels about him." Some may not be "fans" of william in that family but that does not mean William should be "retired." William is not a major decision maker and is subordinate to his grandmother and his father. For one reason or another william is being built up in the media at this point in time.
what has William done that could possibly compare with what Andrew has done? ANyone in the RF who cares for its future is bound to be horrified by his behaviour and want him OUT, even the queen.. and Im sure that WIlliam is concnered and as eagter to push his uncle into retirement.
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THe Queen still loves Andrew I doubt she will banish him and he will not be in contact with her . He will always be part of her life. Even Queen Mary had visits from her son the Duke of Windsor over the years, she may have disapproved of Wallis and never received her but she never totally abandoned her son. The Queen will dictate the terms which of course would include his withdrawal from public life and removal of some of his funds. Even if William is not a "fan," certainly the Queen won't stop loving or seeing her son.
Queen Mary did not se much of David, and never as far as I know met Wallis and only once "sent a kind message to her" when she had an operation. The queen has delayed far too much in not insisting that Andrew give up his royal duties and retire into private life. IMO she should only see him in private..
David would pay visits to her, some unheralded--I read his autobiography and books about him. He was close to his sister Princess Mary and would keep in touch with her. The Queen should have had Andrew retire before the interview. With the accuser going all over the place after the interview, his talking was like a red flag to the accuser.
In my earlier post I said she never received Wallis after the wedding, so I agree with you. Wallis when married to Simpson was received at court to the annoyance of George and Mary.
David spoke of his mother as being ice cold..so I doubt if they met all that often and it was harldy a warm relationship. the queen has been far too soft on Andrew.. SHe's always spoiled hm and he thinks he can get away with anything.....
Yes and the new communications technology it's going to be quite hard to have private visits, i.e. the semi aerial photography of their horse-riding.
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Quote from: wannable on November 26, 2019, 05:52:58 PM
Yes and the new communications technology it's going to be quite hard to have private visits, i.e. the semi aerial photography of their horse-riding.
They can avoid goin out riding together surely. That ride made it look like the queen was sending a message that she had to fire Andrew for the sake of the monarchy but that she sill supported him.. and yes he's her son and she loves him..but love should not entail supporting him over this behaviour.
William as future prince of wales is part of important decisions in this family. it's obvious.
the queen's feelings for andrew are irrelevant about the future of andrew as a active royal. and if she remains being seen with him, that will backfire on her... and then on the monarchy.... here she's being more stupid than sending charles and diana to korea... it's her legacy she's tarnishing... this time the blame isnt on diana, camilla or fergie... but on a royal born whom the queen is way too protective...
More bad news for Duke of York remove duties what Gert?s Royals Twitter says
QuoteAnother patronage drops Prince Andrew:
#31 Yorkshire Air Ambulance
31 out of ~135 patronages is 22%.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1199379582572548098?s=21)
QuoteTwo more patronages have seperated from Prince Andrew, bringing our count to 30 out of ~135.
On Course Foundation
Power 2 @power2org
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1199307936759209984?s=21)
QuoteYorkshire Society is the 28th Patronage by our count to separate from Prince Andrew.
28 is more than 20% of Prince Andrew's Patronages (based on our count of ~135 patronages).
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QuoteYou probably have seen various total counts of Prince Andrew's Patronages (180, 200, etc.)
Our count is based on all the Patronages listed on Royal's database, after we took out:
Things that aren't patronages
Charities that closed
Patronages that ended long ago
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1199113624595382272?s=21)
QuoteWhitgift School in London drops Prince Andrew as their patron.
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Quote3 more Patronages have removed Prince Andrew from their Website:
British-Kazakh Society
Council of British International Schools
Intercontinental Church Society
This brings our count of patronages to separate from Prince Andrew up to 26.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1198930301759737856?s=21)
QuoteThe Canadian Canoe Museum has removed Prince Andrew as their patron, bringing our count of Patraonges to separate from Prince Andrew to 23.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1198240861261307905?s=21)
QuoteTwo Patronages have separated from Prince Andrew, bringing our count to 22:
The Place
The Royal Fine Art Commission Trust
The Royal Fine Art Commission Trust was one of Prince Andrew's most recent patronages, having accepted the position in May.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/gertsroyals/status/1198027157949288448?s=21)
Richard Palmer?s Twitter says
QuoteBuckingham Palace confirms that the Duke of York remains patron of more than 200 organisations but, as announced on November 20, is taking no active part in them for the foreseeable future. More than 20 of 230 have forced him to resign. More are expected to follow.
Do you think that Prince Andrew will eventually write a book about his version of the Epstein ordeal?
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Quote from: LouisFerdinand on November 26, 2019, 11:26:59 PM
Do you think that Prince Andrew will eventually write a book about his version of the Epstein ordeal?
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I don?t think so!! But it?s so private matter for Palace and Yorks without consultation my answer is NO!!
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New Jeffrey Epstein accuser claims he raped her in 1993 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7728637/New-Jeffrey-Epstein-accuser-claims-raped-1993.html)
Inside the monster's lair: Jeffrey Epstein pictured on his 75-acre estate dubbed 'pedophile island' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7724275/Inside-monsters-lair-Jeffrey-Epstein-pictured-75-acre-estate-dubbed-pedophile-island.html)
It is not a good idea. IMO. This could be litigated for years and it's not known how this will all turn out. I think down the road the accuser will right a tell all.
JANET STREET-PORTER: No wonder people believe fictional scandal peddled about Royal Family's past | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7728737/JANET-STREET-PORTER-No-wonder-people-believe-fictional-scandal-peddled-Royal-Familys-past.html)
Yorkshire Air Ambulance withdraws Prince Andrew connection - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-50565190)
Duke of York scandal: Prince Charles heads straight to Sandringham after touching back down in the UK (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/26/duke-york-scandal-prince-charles-heads-straight-sandringham/)
Royal Family news: Charles heads directly to Philip after tour for Andrew advice | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1209768/royal-family-latest-news-prince-charles-news-philip-andrew-william-queen-jeffrey-epstein)
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Prince Charles 'showed he can be king' in Andrew scandal as Queen 'plans exit' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-showed-can-king-20968665)
Prince Charles to seek advice from Philip over Prince Andrew and Epstein scandal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-seek-advice-philip-20967531)
The Queen bans Andrew from meeting Donald Trump in wake of Epstein interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-bans-andrew-meeting-donald-20967628)
Good to know!!
Prince Charles ?proves he can run the firm? by pulling strings in Andrew sacking as the Queen plans to ?retire? at 95 ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10430396/prince-charles-andrew-run-the-firm-queen-retire/)
Jeffrey Epstein?s ?first known? victim reveals how the perv mocked her for being 'too old' at 21, before raping her (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10348937/epsteins-first-victim-tells-of-harrowing-rape-and-urges-prince-andrew-and-ghislaine-maxwell-to-give-answers/)
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No invite for Prince Andrew as Queen welcomes Trump back to Britain after Epstein scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10429355/no-invite-for-prince-andrew-as-queen-welcomes-trump-back-to-britain-after-epstein-scandal/)
If Charles did go straight down to Sandringham to see his father as one story says, I don't think it's specifically to consult with him about Andrew. I think Philip is more unwell than anyone outside of the family realises. Nothing in particular, just fading away due to his age, is my guess.
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IMO Janet Street Porter ought to keep her views about the RF to herself. A republican from way back I remember her coming out to Australia and blaring about them. She's just an awful person.
Why should she "keep her views to herself?" THey are her views.. she is perfectly entitled to them.. and IMO she has a good point. The RF gets by, because by and large, their senior members have usually been reasonable decent people and do a reasonably good job.. but the Andrew situation is so appalling that it does make one think "if this is what a Prince is like in private.. stupid, beyond belief, arrogant, associating with soemone like Epstein, venal etc etc.." is there any point in the RF at all? Should it go on?
According to Emily Andrews Prince Charles private Secretary Clive Alderton flew home from the tour to work with Edward Young, the Queen?s private secretary, and William?s private secretary Simon Case to make sure that Andrew backed down.
Quite, the 3 men were seen in BP. Daunting.
Prince Charles 'prepares to take on leadership of the Royals when Queen turns 95' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7730449/Prince-Charles-prepares-leadership-Royals-Queen-turns-95.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell reveals for first time how she hired women to massage Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7730407/Ghislaine-Maxwell-reveals-time-hired-women-massage-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Royal News: Prince Charles visits Prince Philip at Sandringham | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112781200/prince-charles-visits-prince-philip-sandringham/)
Bad news for Prince Andrew as BBC to air hour-long investigation next week ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/bad-news-for-prince-andrew-as-bbc-to-air-hour-long-investigation-next-week-133988/)
Kate Middleton and Prince William snub: What do Wills and Kate think about Prince Andrew? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210012/kate-middleton-prince-william-opinion-prince-andrew-epstein-interview-royal-family)
Prince Andrew feud: Why did Prince Andrew REJECT this offer from Prince Charles? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1209076/prince-andrew-feud-brother-prince-charles-job-aide-royal-feud-epstein-scandal)
Queen heartbreak: How Queen?s strength IN DOUBT after Prince Andrew scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1209534/queen-elizabeth-ii-heartbreak-prince-andrew-epstein-royal-family-news)
Royal warning: Prince Andrew urged to tell FBI the truth or face dire 'consequences' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210018/Royal-news-Prince-Andrew-interview-warning-Epstein-BBC-Newsnight-Royal-Family-latest)
Quote from: sara8150 on November 27, 2019, 04:32:29 PM
Royal News: Prince Charles visits Prince Philip at Sandringham | HELLO! (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7730449/Prince-Charles-prepares-leadership-Royals%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%5Burl=https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019112781200/prince-charles-visits-prince-philip-sandringham/)
I do hope this is true. He may be old and feeble but the Duke has a wealth of practical good sense, and has lived trough a lot of royal history. I am sure he has a lot of wisdom to share.
Girls helped by Duke of York's charity ?mistreated?, investigation reveals (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/27/girls-helped-duke-yorks-charity-mistreated-investigation-reveals/)
Royal row: Who will pay for Princess Eugenie after Queen stops royal allowance? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210228/princess-eugenie-news-prince-andrew-royal-allowance-who-pays-queen-elizabeth-ii)
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on November 27, 2019, 08:16:53 PM
I do hope this is true. He may be old and feeble but the Duke has a wealth of practical good sense, and has lived trough a lot of royal history. I am sure he has a lot of wisdom to share.
I think Philip should be left in peace....he's a very old man and his heatlh is failing I would say. the queen helped to make this mess.. by her weakness for Andrew... I don't think Phil should be bothered by all this sort of stuff at his stage of lie...
The main thing is Andrew's character or lack of it. His mother could have indulged him but it did not mean he had to get involved in this mess. An adult child has to take responsibility but that said so far Andrew has not publicly blamed his parents.
Quote from: sara8150 on November 27, 2019, 10:04:55 PM
Girls helped by Duke of York's charity ?mistreated?, investigation reveals (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/27/girls-helped-duke-yorks-charity-mistreated-investigation-reveals/)
Royal row: Who will pay for Princess Eugenie after Queen stops royal allowance? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210228/princess-eugenie-news-prince-andrew-royal-allowance-who-pays-queen-elizabeth-ii)
I don't know what on earth the Express is on about. Neither Eugenie or Beatrice are paid by the Sovereign Grant as they are non-working royals. If the Queen pays them anything from her Duchy of Lancaster money that's news to me, as it's mainly used for her children and elderly relatives like the Kents and the Gloucesters who gave up careers to support the Crown at a time when their were too few royals to send on engagements.
As far as I've read it's the Trust Funds set up by the Queen at the time of the York divorce, supplemented by Andrew (who for instance pays for their security after it and the Wessexes was cut off) that sustained his daughters in recent years. He may not be able to do all financially that he has done for Beatrice and Eugenie in the future but IMO there's no need for the Queen to gallop to the rescue. Their Trust Funds continue and they will both have well-off husbands in the future.
Quote from: sandy on November 27, 2019, 11:35:48 PM
The main thing is Andrew's character or lack of it. His mother could have indulged him but it did not mean he had to get involved in this mess. An adult child has to take responsibility but that said so far Andrew has not publicly blamed his parents.
I should hope not. But the queen' hanlded all this very badly.. if she agreed ot the interview..she doesn't know her son very well.. He's not got any brain.. and he's arrogant and in this interview his unpleasant side showed to a repellent degree.. And IMO she has always been indulgent to him -.
I hope the news of the Queen to retire in 18 months is true, she lost the grip and power of her family and Buckingham Palace. Today I do not believe any longer she was 'hoodwinked' to allow herself and the palace to be used. There seems to be a number of close people that knew the real intention of the interview, yet these people tried to convince Andrew not to do it, but did not go a step further to warn the Queen.
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The girls will be fine despite Andrew loosing his SG allowance, which paid for his office and supported the girls. His official website still says in FAQ's that he supports financially the girls from his 'private' income.
New statement just released today.
Statement regarding allegation of non-recent trafficking for... - Metropolitan Police (http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-regarding-allegation-of-non-recent-trafficking-for-sexual-exploitation-388522)
More trouble for Duke of York
Prince Andrew sparked security breach by 'smuggling' female masseuse into Buckingham Palace | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7731499/Prince-Andrew-sparked-security-breach-smuggling-female-masseuse-Buckingham-Palace.html)
Senior military leaders 'call for 'embarrassing' Duke of York to be stripped of his naval roles' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7733611/Senior-military-leaders-call-embarrassing-Duke-York-stripped-naval-roles.html)
BBC extends Panorama episode featuring interview with... | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7732393/BBC-extends-Panorama-episode-featuring-interview-Duke-York-s-accuser.html)
Met police officers who decided against launching probe into Virginia Roberts' trafficking claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7734337/Met-police-officers-decided-against-launching-probe-Virginia-Roberts-trafficking-claims.html)
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Prince Andrew?s friend Ghislaine Maxwell admits recruiting women to massage Epstein | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210238/prince-Andrew-Epstein-ghislaine-Maxwell-Virginia-Roberts-guiffre)
Quote from: wannable on November 28, 2019, 12:52:13 PM
I hope the news of the Queen to retire in 18 months is true, she lost the grip and power of her family and Buckingham Palace. Today I do not believe any longer she was 'hoodwinked' to allow herself and the palace to be used. There seems to be a number of close people that knew the real intention of the interview, yet these people tried to convince Andrew not to do it, but did not go a step further to warn the Queen.
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The girls will be fine despite Andrew loosing his SG allowance, which paid for his office and supported the girls. His official website still says in FAQ's that he supports financially the girls from his 'private' income.
I hope she doesn't. andrew and Andrew alone decided to do that interview. It is all on him no matter what.
Scotland Yard confirms it has 'liaised with' US counterparts over allegations Jeffrey Epstein trafficked a teenage girl to London for sex (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/28/scotland-yard-confirms-has-liaised-us-counterparts-allegations/)
The news is getting worse and worse for Prince Andrew. I have a feeling more sordid details will come out soon - the bad news is just getting started. That's why Prince Charles, the Queen, and Philip are holding talks about this, they have to find a way forward that doesn't tarnish HMQ and the BRF.
More bad news for Duke of York
Clip of Virginia Roberts' interview on Prince Andrew released | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7736475/First-clip-Virginia-Roberts-explosive-Panorama-interview-Prince-Andrew-released.html)
Female masseuse reveals how Prince Andrew's nude massage sparked security breach | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7736469/Female-masseuse-reveals-Prince-Andrews-nude-massage-sparked-security-breach.html)
I don?t believe that!! Humiliating for Duke of York :ahhh: :eyes: :o
Was Epstein scandal the real reason the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show was ditched? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7736591/Was-Epstein-scandal-real-reason-Victorias-Secret-Fashion-ditched.html)
Prince Andrew 'may be stripped of Sea Cadets role' over Jeffrey Epstein scandal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-may-stripped-sea-20984271)
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts says 'only one of us is telling the truth' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-roberts-20983482)
Ghislaine Maxwell admits recruiting masseurs for Prince Andrew's pal Jeffrey Epstein - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/ghislaine-maxwell-recruited-masseurs-prince-20976774)
Virginia Roberts says Prince Andrew ?knows what happened? and ?only one of us is telling the truth? in Panorama clip ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10445795/virginia-roberts-prince-andrew-panorama/)
Prince Andrew ?given massage in Buckingham Palace bedroom while naked under towel by masseuse introduced by Maxwell? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10442360/prince-andrew-massage-buckingham-palace-bedroom/)
British cops refuse to reopen sex trafficking probe after claims by Prince Andrew?s accuser Virginia Roberts ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10443230/met-police-refuse-reopen-sex-trafficking/)
Prince Andrew's ex Lady Victoria Hervey ?considers? penning explosive tell-all book (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10430152/prince-andrew-lady-victoria-hervey-explosive-book/)
Prince Andrew ?should be stripped of military roles? over Jeffrey Epstein scandal, insist senior officials ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10439887/prince-andrew-military-roles-epstein-sex-scandal/)
Is Jeffrey Epstein?s ?unholy alliance? with the Victoria?s Secret boss the REAL reason the show was scrapped? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10442398/jeffrey-epstein-victorias-secret-les-wexner/)
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Prince Andrew scandal: Virginia Giuffre reiterates claims she was forced to have sex with Duke of York (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/28/prince-andrew-scandal-virginia-giuffre-reiterates-claims-forced/)
Prince Andrew: Met Police defend decision to drop investigation | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-met-police-defend-decision-to-drop-investigation-11872851)
Prince Andrew latest: Scotland Yard makes announcement on Epstein investigation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210671/prince-andrew-latest-jeffrey-epstein-investigation-scotland-yard-announcement)
Prince Andrew ?knows what happened? Virginia Giuffre tells BBC Panorama | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210611/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-giuffre-bbc-panorama-interview-jeffrey-epstein-royal-news)
Quote from: sandy on November 28, 2019, 04:50:34 PM
I hope she doesn't. andrew and Andrew alone decided to do that interview. It is all on him no matter what.
According ot the interviewer, Andrew cleared it with the "highest authority" or words to that effect.. ie the queen...
Yes, hence my change of opinion today in re to the Queen. The more BP changes versions of i.e. Fergie and Beatrice tried to stop him, when previously not, the palace does what they want with no clear direction.
I believe it is slowly but surely going to change week by week, month by month for the following 18 months, if not we will witness another implosion within, causing damage to the BRF. She herself is holding power for dear life, keepsakes the old ways of management style.
I don't think Bea or Fergie went to the Queen about this, or so the newspapers never said. It is all on Andrew who is not a little boy or teen anymore, he took this disastrous action and he probably lied to the QUeen about what he was going to say. Obviously the Queen did not know that Prince Charles would rave about what a bad parent he saw her as via his Dimbleby authorized biography or Philip would make some offensive gaffe until it happened while they were on tour.. She just was naive or in avoidance mode. Same with the way she's reacting to Andrew.
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Prince Andrew has behaved badly but he's no Jimmy Savile | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7736807/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Prince-Andrew-behaved-badly-hes-no-Jimmy-Savile.html)
Prince Andrew faces axe as Admiral of the Sea Cadets after 27 years in the post | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7739331/Prince-Andrew-faces-axe-Admiral-Sea-Cadets-27-years-post.html)
Prince Andrew?s Accuser Responds to His Denials of Sex Abuse | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-giuffre-responds-denial-forced-her-have-sex/)
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Prince Andrew latest: Scotland Yard makes announcement on Epstein investigation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210671/prince-andrew-latest-jeffrey-epstein-investigation-scotland-yard-announcement)
Boris Johnson forced to clarify his defence of monarchy in Prince Andrew scandal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-forced-clarify-defence-20989103)
Jeffrey Epstein?s ?pimp? Ghislaine Maxwell says ?biggest mistake of her life? was recruiting Prince Andrew sex accuser (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10437510/jeffrey-epstein-madam-ghislaine-maxwell-says-biggest-prince-andrews-virginia-roberts/)
Fresh blow for Prince Andrew as his beloved golf foundation cuts ties amid Epstein scandal (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10449335/prince-andrew-beloved-golf-foundation-cuts-ties-epstein-scandal/)
Quote from: sara8150 on November 28, 2019, 10:16:01 PM
Was Epstein scandal the real reason the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show was ditched? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7736591/Was-Epstein-scandal-real-reason-Victorias-Secret-Fashion-ditched.html)
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Back to Andrew, it seems the Navy is about to kaput him too.
It says something about Ghislaine Maxwell's moral character that she thinks that the 'biggest mistake of her life' was 'recruiting' Virginia Roberts. No, the biggest mistake of your existence was to go to work for Epstein as a pimp, Ghislaine, but then I suppose, as the daughter of a master fraudster and crook, you were never given any moral guidance to begin with.
@Curryong :notworthy: :goodpost: Yes her biggest mistake was to enable a sexual predator. <_< She's vile and chose to participate in those acts herself. :fuming:
Ghislaine must really suffer esteem issues as the girlfriend of a sexual predator and she had full knowledge of his exploits she stayed with him and helped him get these underage girls to fulfill his sick needs but also to compromise a certain Prince who was a friend. I pretty much believe Virginia Roberts. Supposedly Epstein's homes had a camera in every room Andrew better pray he wasn't caught on camera.
I think Epstein may well have stored away film of friends of his taken in compromising positions. He probably tucked them away somewhere safe as insurance, just in case. Whether the secret of where they are kept died with him or whether Ghislaine is also aware, who knows. If she does know and spills the beans, some very powerful people had better watch out.
Quote from: Trudie on November 29, 2019, 10:52:20 PM
Ghislaine must really suffer esteem issues as the girlfriend of a sexual predator and she had full knowledge of his exploits she stayed with him and helped him get these underage girls to fulfill his sick needs but also to compromise a certain Prince who was a friend. I pretty much believe Virginia Roberts. Supposedly Epstein's homes had a camera in every room Andrew better pray he wasn't caught on camera.
I?m praying for that I?m hope Andrew not caught on camera if caught camera he get history!! And also his mom the Queen and his big brother Prince Charles wouldn't pleasure 🙏🏻🤞🏻
What DID Prince Andrew pocket at the Pitch@Palace? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7740505/What-DID-Prince-Andrew-pocket-Pitch-Palace.html)
Prince Andrew scandal: Charity Duke partnered with to help sex trafficked women will review its connection to him (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/11/29/prince-andrew-scandal-charity-duke-partnered-help-sex-trafficked/)
Queen distraught over claims she?s lost grip on royal family after Prince Andrew scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1211248/the-queen-news-prince-Andrew-Epstein-queen-Elizabeth-ii-royal-news)
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Prince Andrew 'may never return to public life' after Jeffrey Epstein scandal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-may-never-return-20993274)
Met Police quizzed over decision to drop Prince Andrew accuser?s sex traffic claims ? and case could be reopened ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10453876/met-police-quizzed-over-decision-to-drop-prince-andrew-accusers-sex-traffic-claims-and-casee-could-be-reopened/)
I don't think Prince Andrew will be able to return to public life after this - this is retirement. It's best for the BRF to move on and let Andrew live a private life someplace.
Quote from: Blue Clover on November 30, 2019, 05:45:06 AM
I don't think Prince Andrew will be able to return to public life after this - this is retirement. It's best for the BRF to move on and let Andrew live a private life someplace.
I?m agreed with you
Quote from: wannable on November 28, 2019, 12:52:13 PM
I hope the news of the Queen to retire in 18 months is true, she lost the grip and power of her family and Buckingham Palace. Today I do not believe any longer she was 'hoodwinked' to allow herself and the palace to be used. There seems to be a number of close people that knew the real intention of the interview, yet these people tried to convince Andrew not to do it, but did not go a step further to warn the Queen.
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The girls will be fine despite Andrew loosing his SG allowance, which paid for his office and supported the girls. His official website still says in FAQ's that he supports financially the girls from his 'private' income.
I find it hard to believe that the queen does not know her son well enough to know that he would NOT come across well on TV.. that he's stupid, and arrogant and SO stupid that he does not know how to hide his lack of interest in "people outside his own circle".. which is what has really damned him with this interview. Anyone, no matter how foolish, should have known enough to say that he regretted his friendship with Esptein and that he felt for the victims but Andrew didn't do that. Why didn't the queen realise that Andrew would not come across well on an interview and tell him no....
Playing devil's advocate here and offering a few disparate reasons!
The Queen has moved in rarified circles all her life, herself and has never ever had people questioning her own motives She has never sat down for a face to face TV interview and isn't used to the procedure.
She is 93 and her brain doesn't possess the same foresight it once did.
Andrew may well have told her that he had insisted that the interview consist of prepared questions in which he had the answers ready.
The Queen believes him implicitly and felt that the truth would come shining through in his answers in the interview. She does and did not believe Andrew to be a liar and manipulator of the truth.
Maybe he's never lied to her and Elizabeth in turn has never asked him about his sex life.
Maybe the version of the Epstein friendship Andrew told his mother was entirely different from what we've all read it was.
As his mother she does and did not believe that he is arrogant and entitled, which was how he he came across on TV.
I've met tons of people who genuinely believe that their grown offspring are completely incapable of doing something dreadfully wrong.
What about those parents who believe in their children's innocence in terrible cases of murder? Not every parent is completely clearheaded about their adult child's faults and failings.
So there's a few reasons, mystifying to us as outsiders but some perhaps playing a part in the Queen's actions in all this.
I have to agree with you on many points
@Curryong. The problem with Andrew is, however, he was born second in line to the throne and after the Queen had been on the throne for around 8 years. Being the son of the monarch Andrew from infancy was bowed and scraped to by Nannies, and the staff not to mention the Queen herself. Andrew was brought up believing in his own importance thereby becoming the arrogant jerk he is today. If he told a fib as a child no one called him out on it. I believe he is extremely jealous of Charles due to his importance as Pow and heir so his behavior IMO is to feed his overinflated sense of himself believing no one will not take him at his word as a Prince and son of the monarch who herself has always been above reproach.
Quote from: amabel on November 30, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
I find it hard to believe that the queen does not know her son well enough to know that he would NOT come across well on TV.. that he's stupid, and arrogant and SO stupid that he does not know how to hide his lack of interest in "people outside his own circle".. which is what has really damned him with this interview. Anyone, no matter how foolish, should have known enough to say that he regretted his friendship with Esptein and that he felt for the victims but Andrew didn't do that. Why didn't the queen realise that Andrew would not come across well on an interview and tell him no....
And no one in her staff didn't tell her the history of Epstein and Andrew's friendship? She herself didn't read the most sounding alarm bell when convicted, her son went to spend 4 days with him? It's hard to believe she was clueless.
Now the Express is saying she is allegedly distraught that the media (read her own people told the media as their sources, everyone from serious broadsheets to tabloids) is saying that she 'lost' control, and the article goes on that it was her and only her decision to fire her son. If she had taken measures years ago with the red flags, none of this would have happened. The entire family must be dreading the Virginia 1 hour BBC Panorama this coming Monday.
The damage was already done. Years ago. The Queen tends to not see a possible problem cropping up or something she was warned about. She thinks it will go away by itself. Her mother was the same and she would be in denial and take to her bed when a crisis came up. I think others in that family have "lost control" at times and used heavy PR or damage control. I think the family or some of them feel self entitled and Safe from problems of the average person.
Quote from: wannable on November 30, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
And no one in her staff didn't tell her the history of Epstein and Andrew's friendship? She herself didn't read the most sounding alarm bell when convicted, her son went to spend 4 days with him? It's hard to believe she was clueless.
Now the Express is saying she is allegedly distraught that the media (read her own people told the media as their sources, everyone from serious broadsheets to tabloids) is saying that she 'lost' control, and the article goes on that it was her and only her decision to fire her son. If she had taken measures years ago with the red flags, none of this would have happened. The entire family must be dreading the Virginia 1 hour BBC Panorama this coming Monday.
Agree. Even if she thougt Andy was technically innocent of sex with an under age girl.. she must have realised that his sex life was seedy, mixing with a criminal who provided girls for his friends and who did them financial favours. That alone is reason enough to bench Andrew..
Quote from: Curryong on November 30, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
Playing devil's advocate here and offering a few disparate reasons!
The Queen has moved in rarified circles all her life, herself and has never ever had people questioning her own motives She has never sat down for a face to face TV interview and isn't used to the procedure.
She is 93 and her brain doesn't possess the same foresight it once did.
Andrew may well have told her that he had insisted that the interview consist of prepared questions in which he had the answers ready.
The Queen believes him implicitly and felt that the truth would come shining through in his answers in the interview. She does and did not believe Andrew to be a liar and manipulator of the truth.
Maybe he's never lied to her and Elizabeth in turn has never asked him about his sex life.
Maybe the version of the Epstein friendship Andrew told his mother was entirely different from what we've all read it was.
As his mother she does and did not believe that he is arrogant and entitled, which was how he he came across on TV.
I've met tons of people who genuinely believe that their grown offspring are completely incapable of doing something dreadfully wrong.
What about those parents who believe in their children's innocence in terrible cases of murder? Not every parent is completely clearheaded about their adult child's faults and failings.
So there's a few reasons, mystifying to us as outsiders but some perhaps playing a part in the Queen's actions in all this.
I have agreed with you!!
@Curryong
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How Prince Andrew forced me to recognise the hollowness of The Crown | Emma Brockes | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/29/prince-andrew-the-crown-money-television)
Quote from: Curryong on November 30, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
Playing devil's advocate here and offering a few disparate reasons!
The Queen has moved in rarified circles all her life, herself and has never ever had people questioning her own motives She has never sat down for a face to face TV interview and isn't used to the procedure.
She is 93 and her brain doesn't possess the same foresight it once did.
Andrew may well have told her that he had insisted that the interview consist of prepared questions in which he had the answers ready.
The Queen believes him implicitly and felt that the truth would come shining through in his answers in the interview. She does and did not believe Andrew to be a liar and manipulator of the truth.
Maybe he's never lied to her and Elizabeth in turn has never asked him about his sex life.
Maybe the version of the Epstein friendship Andrew told his mother was entirely different from what we've all read it was.
As his mother she does and did not believe that he is arrogant and entitled, which was how he he came across on TV.
I'v
True she obviously does not believe/want to believe that Andrew could do something really wrong. She has led a sheltered life.. more so than ANY of her children even Charles. She's never really faced much criticism even, except over the Diana's death issues. But all the same, she must have realised that her children "talking on TV" has never gone well. Charles's interview with Dimbleby didn't do him any favours and he was not guilty of a long association with someone convinced of a sex crime.. like Epstein. So you'd think that she would have said "look if you have not done anything wrong, then there's no case to answer...and the best option for us Royals is "mouth closed"...I can't help thinking that her weakness for Andrew was what made her agree to this being allowed.. She really does not see him at all as he is.. that even if he's not guilty of criminal behaviour, he is mega arrogant and stupid..
And I think it must have been a shcok to her how badly he came across... and she could probably see that the public and I think even the interviewer were going to be shocked alos by his stupidity and arrogance
Prince Andrew unlikely EVER to return to public life after Epstein scandal and disastrous BBC interview ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10455342/prince-andrew-unlikely-return-public-epstein-bbc-interview/)
Quote from: Curryong on November 30, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
Playing devil's advocate here and offering a few disparate reasons!
The Queen has moved in rarified circles all her life, herself and has never ever had people questioning her own motives She has never sat down for a face to face TV interview and isn't used to the procedure.
She is 93 and her brain doesn't possess the same foresight it once did.
Andrew may well have told her that he had insisted that the interview consist of prepared questions in which he had the answers ready.
The Queen believes him implicitly and felt that the truth would come shining through in his answers in the interview. She does and did not believe Andrew to be a liar and manipulator of the truth.
Maybe he's never lied to her and Elizabeth in turn has never asked him about his sex life.
Maybe the version of the Epstein friendship Andrew told his mother was entirely different from what we've all read it was.
As his mother she does and did not believe that he is arrogant and entitled, which was how he he came across on TV.
I've met tons of people who genuinely believe that their grown offspring are completely incapable of doing something dreadfully wrong.
What about those parents who believe in their children's innocence in terrible cases of murder? Not every parent is completely clearheaded about their adult child's faults and failings.
So there's a few reasons, mystifying to us as outsiders but some perhaps playing a part in the Queen's actions in all this.
Great summary! :goodpost: I like your point about the Queen's age. I think we all have to remember that the Queen is 93 years-old! The mind works very differently as we age. Also, you are very right, what Andrew told the Queen may be an entirely different version of events and based on what he said to her she did not understand the dangers swirling around him.
Update news on Duke of York more trouble
EXPOSED: Prince Andrew's deals with tax haven tycoons | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742249/EXPOSED-Prince-Andrews-deals-tax-haven-tycoons.html)
Prince Andrew's most senior aide who was forced out | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742581/Prince-Andrews-senior-aide-forced-out.html)
Prince Andrew used position as Britain's trade envoy to help tycoon plug private bank | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742275/Prince-Andrew-used-position-Britains-trade-envoy-help-tycoon-plug-private-bank.html)
Leaked emails reveal how tycoon tried to lure Saudi royal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742527/Leaked-emails-reveal-tycoon-tried-lure-Saudi-royal.html)
Quote from: Curryong on November 30, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
Playing devil's advocate here and offering a few disparate reasons!
The Queen has moved in rarified circles all her life, herself and has never ever had people questioning her own motives She has never sat down for a face to face TV interview and isn't used to the procedure.
She is 93 and her brain doesn't possess the same foresight it once did.
Andrew may well have told her that he had insisted that the interview consist of prepared questions in which he had the answers ready.
The Queen believes him implicitly and felt that the truth would come shining through in his answers in the interview. She does and did not believe Andrew to be a liar and manipulator of the truth.
Maybe he's never lied to her and Elizabeth in turn has never asked him about his sex life.
Maybe the version of the Epstein friendship Andrew told his mother was entirely different from what we've all read it was.
As his mother she does and did not believe that he is arrogant and entitled, which was how he he came across on TV.
I've met tons of people who genuinely believe that their grown offspring are completely incapable of doing something dreadfully wrong.
What about those parents who believe in their children's innocence in terrible cases of murder? Not every parent is completely clearheaded about their adult child's faults and failings.
So there's a few reasons, mystifying to us as outsiders but some perhaps playing a part in the Queen's actions in all this.
True enough. I am fairly confident that I would support my child if she was in trouble, but I am just as sure that I wouldn?t be an ostrich. You can support but not condone. However, if I were no longer clear-headed I probably would be easily mislead.... I think it is really sad if he has mislead her.
I don't think Andrew has the wits to mislead anyone. he may have said that he didn't do anything wrong.. but I think it is her weakness for him that made her agree to the interview. I can't help feeling that if Andrew had tried to convince her that he was quite innocent.. he would have made such a mess of it, just as he did with his clumsy lies in the interview that even an old lady would have realised he was hiding things.
This entirely Andrews doing that dim bulb should have taken note of the disastrous interviews give in the 90's by his brother via Dimbleby and Diana via Bashir. Though those interviews were not on the scale of Andrew's The Queen stepped in and ordered the divorce and was not seen to publicly support either party. Andrew IMO knows his mother will always support him and loves him and at the age of 93 he knew he could play her.
Each day there is something new and with far more serious consequences to the crown as a whole not only Epstein but his dubious transactions while performing as Trade Ambassador to personally enrich himself.
More trouble news for Duke of York
Prince Charles wants to hold crisis talks with Prince Andrew amid Jeffrey Epstein scandal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7743229/Prince-Charles-wants-hold-crisis-talks-Prince-Andrew-amid-Jeffrey-Epstein-scandal.html)
Duke of York passed a Treasury document about the Icelandic financial crisis to business tycoon | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742717/Duke-York-passed-Treasury-document-Icelandic-financial-crisis-business-tycoon.html)
How tycoon David Rowland went from scrap dealer's son to meeting the Queen at Balmoral | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742741/How-tycoon-David-Rowland-went-scrap-dealers-son-meeting-Queen-Balmoral.html)
Duke and his close friend Jonathan Rowland discussed secretly continuing business relationship | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742715/Duke-close-friend-Jonathan-Rowland-discussed-secretly-continuing-business-relationship.html)
Prince Charles to cut royal family to just him William Harry wives and children after Andrew scandal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7743661/Prince-Charles-cut-royal-family-just-William-Harry-wives-children-Andrew-scandal.html)
Two top lawyers representing Epstein victims 'were duped into planning to cut deals with famous men' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742705/Two-lawyers-representing-Epstein-victims-duped-planning-cut-deals-famous-men.html)
Prince Andrew 'has been in constant constant with Ghislaine Maxwell by phone and email' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7743291/Prince-Andrew-constant-constant-Ghislaine-Maxwell-phone-email.html)
Prince Andrew: why meeting with US authorities would be a 'catch-22' | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-us-authorities)
Prince Andrew in fresh crisis over exploiting UK trade envoy role amid Epstein scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1211625/prince-andrew-trade-envoy-UK-prince-andrew-money-epstein)
New crisis for Prince Andrew as Buckingham Palace are forced to deny new allegations ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/new-crisis-for-prince-andrew-as-buckingham-palace-are-forced-to-deny-new-allegations-134138/)
Claims Prince Andrew 'exploited trade envoy role to help wealthy pal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/claims-prince-andrew-exploited-trade-21000335)
Prince Charles demands crisis summit with Andrew so he can come clean on 'Epstein issue' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-demands-crisis-summit-20999918)
Prince Charles ?plans to boot several royals out the Royal Family when he becomes King? in wake of Andrew scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10460319/prince-charles-royal-family-andrew-epstein-scandal/)
Leaked emails show Prince Andrew ?repeatedly exploited his role to work for controversial multi-millionaire financier? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10459364/prince-andrew-trade-tax-deal-epstein/)
Prince Charles ?demands crunch meeting with brother Andrew over the Epstein scandal and urges him to come clean? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10459074/prince-charles-demands-crunch-talks-andrew/)
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Prince Charles wants to hold crisis talks with Prince Andrew amid Jeffrey Epstein scandal | Daily Mail Online
Both Charles and Camilla are at Sandringham Estate since returning from their tour, they were pictured today walking to church. The past few days Charles has been taking strolls and car driving around the estate with the grandson of Winston Churchill, Nicholas Soames, actual Conservative PM and member of the Privy Council.
Quote from: wannable on December 01, 2019, 02:25:14 PM
Both Charles and Camilla are at Sandringham Estate since returning from their tour, they were pictured today walking to church. The past few days Charles has been taking strolls and car driving around the estate with the grandson of Winston Churchill, Nicholas Soames, actual Conservative PM and member of the Privy Council.
Yes, 'Fatty' Soames has been a very close friend of Charles for at least forty years, was in Camilla's circle, and was a vehement enemy of Diana. She characterised Soames (as have others) as a pompous bag of wind, so I'm not surprised he's hanging around. There are loads of anecdotes about Soames and his brown nosing around Charles in Charles and Diana biographies.
As opposed to, what has he done good?
Charles really needs to talk to Andrew to see just what else just may come out. Although I doubt Andrew will entirely be truthful Andrew's career as a royal in the distant future is at stake and threatens to become worse than what the Duke of Windsor endured being ostracized by his family.
I don't want Andrew to be a Royal in the near or distant future. I've always felt he was corrupt, and if it's true that he is in constant communication with Ghislaine Maxwell right up to the present time that is very very concerning to me.
There may be a question of collusion if Andrew is to be questioned in future by the FBI. And for Andrew to think there is no harm in his continuing a long distance friendship with Ghislaine after all that has happened just speaks to me of the most staggering stupidity or....something else. And what that is may well mean something more disgusting than we already know about.
I wonder what the Queen Mother would have made of this mess.
i believe the early reports of the queen being ok with this interview... imo yes, she deseves criticism over that
i remember that soames was against to change the law for a born princess keep her place in succession line... i suppose he was following what charles told him and as chalres liked the things
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Quote from: Curryong on December 01, 2019, 02:47:12 PM
I don't want Andrew to be a Royal in the near or distant future. I've always felt he was corrupt, and if it's true that he is in constant communication with Ghislaine Maxwell right up to the present time that is very very concerning to me.
There may be a question of collusion if Andrew is to be questioned in future by the FBI. And for Andrew to think there is no harm in his continuing a long distance friendship with Ghislaine after all that has happened just speaks to me of the most staggering stupidity or....something else. And what that is may well mean something more disgusting than we already know about.
it's more than staggering stupidity imo. but says all about his lack of character... btw no news to me
Quote from: Trudie on December 01, 2019, 04:43:00 PM
I wonder what the Queen Mother would have made of this mess.
Let me straighten,
@Trudie When HM Queen Mother knew everything on her brother in law the former King Edward they now Duke of Windsor either throne or marry but HM Queen Mother wouldnt pleasure on Wallis Simpson chosen brides for former King Edward VII but in London says back off the King Edward VII but HM Queen Mother dont have good relationships with brother in law the King Edward VII since King George?s death in 1952 but HM Queen Mother didn?t attend funeral of Duke of Windsor
Edward VIII abdication crisis - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_abdication_crisis)
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BBC to air interview with Prince Andrew accuser | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/bbc-to-screen-interview-with-prince-andrew-accuser)
Prince Andrew: why meeting with US authorities would be a 'catch-22' | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-us-authorities)
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Prince Andrew is allowed to rent vast palace for just ?250 a week - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-allowed-rent-vast-21003750)
Claims Prince Andrew 'exploited trade envoy role to help wealthy pal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/claims-prince-andrew-exploited-trade-21000335)
Prince Charles demands crisis summit with Andrew so he can come clean on 'Epstein issue' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-demands-crisis-summit-20999918)
Prince Andrew reported to police for theft and misconduct in public office ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/prince-andrew-reported-to-police-for-theft-and-misconduct-in-public-office-134142/)
Quote from: Trudie on December 01, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
Charles really needs to talk to Andrew to see just what else just may come out. Although I doubt Andrew will entirely be truthful Andrew's career as a royal in the distant future is at stake and threatens to become worse than what the Duke of Windsor endured being ostracized by his family.
This would be the smartest move for the BRF, sit down with Andrew and try to get the full picture of his involvement, if anything it would allow them a chance to prepare emotionally for more details as they are revealed. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Curryong on December 01, 2019, 02:47:12 PM
I don't want Andrew to be a Royal in the near or distant future. I've always felt he was corrupt, and if it's true that he is in constant communication with Ghislaine Maxwell right up to the present time that is very very concerning to me.
There may be a question of collusion if Andrew is to be questioned in future by the FBI. And for Andrew to think there is no harm in his continuing a long distance friendship with Ghislaine after all that has happened just speaks to me of the most staggering stupidity or....something else. And what that is may well mean something more disgusting than we already know about.
Curryong in my post I said Andrew in the distant future as a royal I meant by being invited to certain events family related as the DOW was in later years such as the funeral of King George VI the funeral of Queen Mary and a memorial at Marlborough House related to Queen Mary the first time the Duchess was allowed to accompany him in 1968. As far as being an official royal Andrew is toast meaning he is finished.
Prince Andrew is braced for fresh revelations as BBC Panorama prepares to air interview TONIGHT | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7744931/Prince-Andrew-braced-fresh-revelations-BBC-Panorama-prepares-air-interview-TONIGHT.html)
Duke of York 'exploited trade role for business deals' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/12/02/duke-york-exploited-trade-role-business-deals/)
Prince Andrew Panorama: How to watch tonight?s BBC documentary on Prince Andrew | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212050/prince-andrew-panorama-how-to-watch-bbc-documentary-what-time-prince-andrew-interview)
Prince Andrew: Demands grow for probe into Duke's business affairs | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1211799/Prince-Andrew-probe-Duke-business-affairs-royal-latest)
Prince Andrew ?knows what happened? Virginia Giuffre tells BBC Panorama | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1210611/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-giuffre-bbc-panorama-interview-jeffrey-epstein-royal-news)
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Prince Andrew 'plugged private bank for millionaire who paid Fergie's debts' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-plugged-private-bank-21006573)
Epstein victim Virginia Roberts? new claims in Panorama interview to have ?ramifications? for Prince Andrew ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10463855/virginia-roberts-new-claims-prince-andrew/)
Prince Andrew warned speaking to FBI about Epstein links would only dig him deeper into paedo scandal (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10465211/prince-andrew-warned-fbi-silence-epstein/)
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Prince Andrew accuser asks public to 'stand beside her' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50607705)
Prince Andrew's accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre dismisses his denials as 'ridiculous excuses' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/12/02/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-dismisses-denials/)
Prince Andrew: Accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre says duke sweated 'like rain' | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-says-duke-sweated-like-rain-11876496)
Prince Andrew's accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre speaks out | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/video/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-speaks-out-11876638)
Prince Andrew: Accuser claims Duke ?sweated all over me? at club in Panorama interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212096/prince-andrew-Virginia-Giuffre-bbc-panorama-The-Prince-and-the-Epstein-Scandal)
Prince Andrew news: Andrew 'lied' about Ghislaine Maxwell in BBC Newsnight interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212011/prince-andrew-news-ghislaine-maxwell-lied-bbc-panorama-spt)
Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre claims she was trafficked to have sex with Prince Andrew - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/jeffrey-epstein-victim-claims-she-was-trafficked-to-have-sex-with-prince-andrew/)
Prince Andrew accuser 'calls BS' on doctored photo claims in bombshell interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-accuser-calls-bs-21011244)
Prince Andrew accuser was 'grossed out' by royal who 'sweated like it was raining' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/prince-andrew-accuser-grossed-out-21010698)
Prince Andrew seen leaving Windsor hours before bombshell interview with accuser - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-seen-leaving-windsor-21011157)
?Sex slave? Virginia Roberts claims Prince Andrew?s sweat ?rained everywhere? in explosive Panorama interview ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10467958/sex-slave-virginia-roberts-prince-andrew-sweat-panorama/)
BREAKING: New royal implicated in Jeffrey Epstein scandal ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/norway/breaking-new-royal-implicated-in-jeffrey-epstein-scandal-134180/)
Not surprised that!!
Norwegian Crown Princess met with Jeffrey Epstein - The Local (https://www.thelocal.no/20191202/norwegian-crown-princess-met-with-jeffrey-epstein)
Mette-Marit regrets her ties to Epstein (https://www.newsinenglish.no/2019/12/02/mette-marit-regrets-her-ties-to-epstein/)
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Virginia Roberts talks of 'horrible' night out with Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7746893/Virginia-Roberts-describes-horrible-Tramp-night-Prince-Andrew.html)
Norway's Crown Princess Mette-Marit apologises for meeting Jeffrey Epstein after his 2008 conviction | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7747501/Norways-Crown-Princess-Mette-Marit-apologises-meeting-Jeffrey-Epstein-2008-conviction.html)
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Virginia Roberts talks about infamous Prince Andrew photo in BBC Panorama interview | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019120281428/virginia-roberts-bbc-panorama-interview-prince-andrew/)
Prince Andrew's Accuser Virginia Giuffre BBC Interview | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-giuffre-speaks-out-this-is-a-story-of-abuse/)
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Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre asks UK public to stand by her | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-giuffre-asks-uk-public-to-stand-by-her-in-bbc-interview)
Prince Andrew home: Where does Prince Andrew live? The TINY sum he pays for MANSION | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212037/prince-andrew-home-where-prince-andrew-live-cost-rent)
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Prince Andrew's future as a royal explored post Virginia Roberts Panorama interview | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019120281431/prince-andrew-steps-back-royal-duties-what-happens-now/)
Buckingham Palace respond to Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts' Panorama interview | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019120281441/buckingham-palace-respond-prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-roberts-interview/)
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Five more women claim Prince Andrew witnessed Jeffrey Epstein abusing them ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10469383/five-women-prince-andrew-abusing-them/)
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'Got some questions about Virginia Roberts': Prince Andrew's bombshell 5:50am email to Maxwell | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7746893/Virginia-Roberts-describes-horrible-Tramp-night-Prince-Andrew.html)
Prince Andrew at Ascot races with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein in never-before-seen photos | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7748219/Prince-Andrew-races-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Jeffrey-Epstein-never-seen-photos.html)
Now FIVE more women want Prince Andrew to testify | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7748763/Now-FIVE-women-want-Prince-Andrew-testify.html)
RICHARD KAY on Prince Andrew's invite for Epstein to Royal Ascot sparks another troubling episode | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7748423/RICHARD-KAY-Prince-Andrews-invite-Epstein-Royal-Ascot-sparks-troubling-episode.html)
'I had just been abused by a member of the Royal Family' - Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7748725/I-just-abused-member-Royal-Family-Virginia-Roberts.html)
Photo of Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts genuine, says ex | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7748397/THAT-photo-Prince-Andrew-Virginia-Roberts-100-real-says-ex-boyfriend.html)
Body language expert analyses new Virginia Roberts interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7747381/Body-language-expert-analyses-new-Virginia-Roberts-interview.html)
Norway's Princess Mette-Marit Confirms Ties to Jeffrey Epstein | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/norways-crown-princess-mette-marit-confirms-and-regrets-ties-to-jeffrey-epstein/)
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Prince Andrew must testify says Epstein accusers' lawyer - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50633640)
Prince Andrew Panorama special review: A chilling noir-ish journey into a heart of darkness (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/02/panorama-special-review-prince-andrew-documentary-chilling-noir/)
Prince Andrew: Accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre says duke sweated 'like rain' | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-says-duke-sweated-like-rain-11876496)
?Help me fight this fight?: Virginia Giuffre in plea to public over Prince Andrew scandal | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-giuffre-asks-uk-public-to-stand-by-her-in-bbc-interview)
Prince Andrew: BBC Panorama exposes Duke's emails to Epstein friend Ghislaine Maxwell | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212155/prince-andrew-royal-family-bbc-panorama-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-roberts)
Prince Andrew will be FORCED to speak to FBI if he ever steps foot in the US | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212132/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-interview-bbc-panorama-royal-news-epstein-virginia-giuffre)
Prince Andrew news: Andrew?s royal troubles dubbed 'self-inflicted on every level' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212034/prince-andrew-news-royal-family-disgrace-self-inflicted-spt)
Virgina Roberts-Giuffre's claims are not new but legal developments may stop Prince Andrew flying to America - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/virgina-roberts-giuffre-s-claims-are-not-new-but-legal-developments-may-stop-prince-andrew-flying-to-america/)
Duke of York faces fresh scrutiny over Epstein and sex allegations - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/duke-of-york-faces-fresh-scrutiny-over-epstein-and-sex-allegations/)
Accuser ?horrified and ashamed? after alleged sex with Andrew - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/duke-of-yorks-accuser-horrified-and-ashamed-after-alleged-sex-with-andrew/)
Panorama broadcast ?about as bad as it gets? for Andrew - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/panorama-broadcast-about-as-bad-as-it-gets-for-andrew/)
'He didn't last long': Prince Andrew accuser in tears as she recalls 'sex with royal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/he-didnt-last-long-prince-21013278)
Five Epstein accusers want Prince Andrew to testify as a witness to 'massages' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-epstein-accusers-want-prince-21013509)
Prince Andrew photograph ?has date printed on the back PROVING it is not a fake? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10469698/prince-andrew-photograph-virginia-roberts-evidence/)
Prince Andrew sent 5.50am email to Ghislaine Maxwell with ?specific questions about Virginia Roberts? after sex claims ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10469504/prince-andrew-emails-virginia-roberts-bbc-panorama/)
Never before seen pictures show Prince Andrew along with Jeffery Epstein and ?madam? Ghislaine Maxwell at Ascot races (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10469328/royal-ascot-prince-andrew-jeffery-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell/)
Five more women claim Prince Andrew witnessed Jeffrey Epstein abusing them ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10469383/five-women-prince-andrew-abusing-them/)
Prince Andrew ?sex slave? accuser Virginia Roberts claims she was told ?do for him what you do for Jeffrey Esptein? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10467958/sex-slave-virginia-roberts-prince-andrew-bbc-panorama/)
Jeffery Epstein accuser says ?erotic sex in front of everyone was as normal as cup of tea? during shocking interview (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10470126/jeffery-epstein-accuser-says-erotic-sex-in-front-of-everyone-was-as-normal-as-cup-of-tea-during-shocking-interview/)
Sex with Prince Andrew was ?quick and disgusting? says sex slave accuser Virginia Roberts ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10470454/sex-with-prince-andrew-disgusting-virginia-roberts/)
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-roberts-giuffre-says-prince-andrew-knows-what-happened-in-interview-with-bbc-2019-12-02/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/02/uk/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-panorama-intl-gbr/index.html
Has anyone seen the Panorama interview with Virginia Guiffre?
Yes, she doesn't remember the exact dates of Andrew's pedophile abuse. I am sure her pimp GM has the dates in her diary, like Andrews RPO's have their detailed diaries of where, what their charge do.
In reference to that panorama, the BBC investigations into Andrew's business dealings whilst a Trade Ambassador, apparently the most Senior Royals had received in August of this year letters from a ''Whistleblower''. The 'other' senior royal (Charles) resent the letter to Buckingham Palace (his mother, the Monarch) and she:
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But when concerns were raised four months ago about their business relationship, the 93-year-old monarch and her advisers sat on them and decided to take no action against her second son.
Quote from: wannable on December 03, 2019, 02:13:47 PM
Yes, she doesn't remember the exact dates of Andrew's pedophile abuse. I am sure her pimp GM has the dates in her diary, like Andrews RPO's have their detailed diaries of where, what their charge do.
In reference to that panorama, the BBC investigations into Andrew's business dealings whilst a Trade Ambassador, apparently the most Senior Royals had received in August of this year letters from a ''Whistleblower''. The 'other' senior royal (Charles) resent the letter to Buckingham Palace (his mother, the Monarch) and she:
But as I recall she mentioned dates abouot her meeting with Andrew because Andrew refueted them by saying that he was not in Tramps nightclub..that night.. because he was home with the girls and took them to Pizza place at Woking..
She did
@amabel , but then last night went totally
inconsistent with her lawfully (official) declaration in a USA Court. :blank:
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?I might be wrong on dates absolutely and I might be wrong on places even, sometimes.
?But one thing that I can tell you is you never forget the face of someone who has heaved over you.?
If he did it I doubt Andrew will ever admit it. That's the pattern now. But she may still be able to collect $$$ in settlements.
There were other occasions,... As I recall she says 3 when she had sex with Andrew.. and I suppose she had sex with Epstein. but I suspect that there were more than 3 with Andrew and she does not remember exactly abuot all of them - and Andrew says he never had sex with her. But then again. I suspect that for Andrew sex with some young woman who was "introducted" to him was a commonplace and he may well forget about them...
And her (Virginia) father spoke this morning, now this is truly a vile man admitting her daughter was trafficked to Epstein, tied to the fact that the daughter said last night she was sexually abused at age 7 by someone....her parents are awful.
I think Andrew did have sex with Virginia, she was age of consent, but didn't know she was 'trafficked'' and psychologically weak to runaway because she had said about being abused age 7, that has mental health consequences.
Grilled her politely, translate that to age of consent, smiling prosti, her chains aren't literally traffic chained but psychologically weak and mentally unstable since age 7, etc. hence she said her chains were Epstein and the WC woman.
Quote from: wannable on December 03, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
And her (Virginia) father spoke this morning, now this is truly a vile man admitting her daughter was trafficked to Epstein, tied to the fact that the daughter said last night she was sexually abused at age 7 by someone....her parents are awful.
? How is he vile? Did he sel her to Epstein? Did he not believe her if she was abused by someone as a child?
It's well known that people who have suffered sexual assaults often do get details incorrect, and this happened a very long time ago. Some people who have been kidnapped and escaped murder by a thread are inconsistent yet their stories are believed because their demeanour and behaviour afterwards shows they are truthful. Their backgrounds have nothing to do with it. Virginia would have to be a fantasist to make up the story about Andrew and that photo of her with him and Ghislaine exists as proof.
Look at everything Andrew lied about in his interview.
Quote from: Curryong on December 03, 2019, 03:06:17 PM
It's well known that people who have suffered sexual assaults often do get details incorrect, and this happened a very long time ago. Some people who have been kidnapped and escaped murder by a thread are inconsistent yet their stories are believed because their demeanour and behaviour afterwards shows they are truthful. Their backgrounds have nothing to do with it. Virginia would have to be a fantasist to make up the story about Andrew and that photo of her with him and Ghislaine exists as proof.
Look at everything Andrew lied about in his interview.
true but the fact that Andrew lied doesn't mean that she didn't lie also. without seeing the interview its hard to say... what her manner is like. However I think that Andrew while he may not have had sex with under age girls knowingly, came across as so dumb and arrogant that it is easier to believe that his sex life is conducted in a sordid and exploitative way. he clearly does not think about the girls he has slept with.. so he might well forget them once the deed is done...
The young woman did apparently not save evidence like Monica Lewinsky did. The woman was 17 and underage when she encountered Andrew.
'The TV Triumph of Virginia Guiffre. The Guardian's view. 'Plausible', 'calm',
'Prince Andrew can't slink away from this now' ? the TV triumph of Virginia Giuffre | Television & radio | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/dec/03/prince-andrew-cant-slink-away-from-this-now-the-tv-triumph-of-virginia-giuffre)
Virginia Roberts' father says his 'brave' daughter is 'telling the TRUTH' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7750467/Virginia-Roberts-father-says-brave-daughter-telling-TRUTH.html)
Witness 'vividly remembers' seeing Prince Andrew with Virginia Roberts at Tramp nightclub | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7750905/Witness-vividly-remembers-seeing-Prince-Andrew-Virginia-Roberts-Tramp-nightclub.html)
Donald Trump denies he knows Prince Andrew despite picture of them | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7750505/Donald-Trump-denies-knows-Prince-Andrew-despite-picture-them.html)
Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway releases statement about meetings with Jeffrey Epstein | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019120381452/princess-mette-marit-statement-jeffrey-epstein/)
https://www.today.com/news/prince-andrew-s-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-speaks-out-first-t169073
Prince Andrew denies sexual assault allegations again as an email emerges referencing Virginia Roberts Guiffre today - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-sexual-allegations-virginia-roberts-guiffre-today-palace-denial-2019-12-03/)
Accusers' lawyer wants Prince Andrew to be subpoenaed - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/video/accusers-lawyer-wants-prince-andrew-to-be-subpoenaed/)
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Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre 'was horrified and ashamed after sleeping with Duke' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/12/02/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-dismisses-denials/)
'I don't know Prince Andrew' says Donald Trump | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/video/i-dont-know-prince-andrew-says-donald-trump-11877120)
Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell owe it to their accusers to appear in court | Gaby Hinsliff | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-owe-accusers-court-tv)
Prince Andrew scandal: Virginia Giuffre pleads for UK public support | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-giuffre-asks-uk-public-to-stand-by-her-in-bbc-interview)
The Queen and Prince Charles were warned about Prince Andrew FOUR MONTHS ago | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212365/the-queen-news-prince-Charles-prince-andrew-Epstein-David-rowland-panorama)
Prince Andrew: BBC Panorama exposes Duke's emails to Epstein friend Ghislaine Maxwell | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212155/prince-andrew-royal-family-bbc-panorama-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-roberts)
Royal scandal: Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein?s link with Norwegian Royal Family | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212463/royal-scandal-Jeffrey-Epstein-norway-royal-family-mette-marit-prince-andrew-news)
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Trump claims he 'doesn't know' Prince Andrew despite heaps of photos of the pair - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/trump-claims-doesnt-know-prince-21016340)
Furious father of Prince Andrew sex accuser Virginia Giuffre fears for her safety - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/furious-father-prince-andrew-sex-21014724)
Prince Andrew's sex accuser claims photo 'has date on back proving it's not fake' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-sex-accuser-claims-21014006)
Prince Andrew sex accuser's 'tears were real' in BBC interview, says body language expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-sex-accusers-tears-21013879)
Prince Andrew's bombshell 5.50am email to Epstein 'madam' about sex accuser - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-bombshell-550am-email-21013725)
Five Epstein accusers want Prince Andrew to testify as a witness to 'massages' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-epstein-accusers-want-prince-21013509)
'He didn't last long': Prince Andrew accuser in tears as she recalls 'sex with royal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/he-didnt-last-long-prince-21013278)
Trump claims he 'doesn't know' Prince Andrew despite heaps of photos of the pair - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/trump-claims-doesnt-know-prince-21016340)
Prince Andrew emailed Ghislaine Maxwell at 5.50am with ?specific questions about Virginia Roberts? after sex claims ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10469504/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-virginia/)
'About as bad as it gets for Prince Andrew' says royal writer as Twitter users show support for 'brave' Virginia Roberts (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10470591/royal-writer-prince-andrew-panorama/)
Virginia Roberts interview - The key questions Prince Andrew must answer about his relationship with billionaire paedo (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10470786/prince-andrew-questions-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-roberts-sex-scandal/)
Ghislaine Maxwell treated ?sex slaves? like ?s*** on her shoe?, Epstein rape accuser tells Panorama doc ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10473206/ghislaine-maxwell-sex-slaves-epstein-panorama/)
Norway responds to Crown Princess Mette-Marit?s meetings with Jeffrey Epstein ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/norway/norway-responds-to-crown-princess-mette-marits-meetings-with-jeffrey-epstein-134205/)
Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre says he was 'raining' sweat while dancing at nightclub - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/02/uk/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-panorama-intl-gbr/index.html)
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Bill and Hillary Clinton were frequent guests at 'Jeffrey Epstein's New Mexico ranch | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7748467/Bill-Hillary-Clinton-frequent-guests-Jeffrey-Epsteins-New-Mexico-ranch.html)
Prince Andrew's ex-girlfriend Lady Derby says she was NEVER friends with Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7752609/Prince-Andrews-ex-girlfriend-Lady-Derby-says-NEVER-friends-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Where IS Prince Andrew's wanted woman Ghislaine Maxwell who is at the heart of sex claims about him | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7752753/Where-Prince-Andrews-wanted-woman-Ghislaine-Maxwell-heart-sex-claims-him.html)
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Don?t make us subpoena you, lawyer tells Andrew over ?night with teen girl? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212716/prince-andrew-sex-scandal-royal-latest-virginia-roberts)
Prince Andrew USA: The reason Prince Andrew may steer clear of America amid Epstein probe | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212706/Prince-andrew-usa-jeffrey-epstein-FBI-BBC-panorama-virginia-giuffre)
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Woman who 'saw Prince Andrew in nightclub with sex accuser' to speak to FBI - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-who-saw-prince-andrew-21019306)
Brit woman to tell FBI she saw Prince Andrew dancing with Virginia Giuffre at nightclub hours before they ?had sex? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10477350/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-dancing-nightclub/)
Virginia Roberts interview - The key questions Prince Andrew must answer about his relationship with billionaire paedo (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10470786/prince-andrew-questions-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-roberts-sex-scandal/)
Donald Trump claims he ?doesn?t know? Prince Andrew despite playing 18 holes of golf with him ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10476786/donald-trump-claims-he-doesnt-know-price-andrew/)
Jeffrey Epstein rape accuser claimed paedo?s todger was egg-shaped, Panorama doc reveals ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10472332/jeffrey-epstein-rape-accuser-claimed-egg-shaped/)
Jeffery Epstein was Bill Clinton?s closest ?celebrity mate? and stayed with Hilary at his New Mexico ranch, says worker ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10476067/jeffery-epstein-bill-clinton-closest-celebrity-mate-texas/)
@sara8150 :goodpost: Thank you for posting articles and keeping us up-to-date on this sad chapter in the royal book. I think Prince Andrew's indifference is the saddest part.
Prince Andrew told 'no way back' into royal family by Charles | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7754897/Prince-Charles-told-ousted-Andrew-theres-no-way-royal-family-near-future.html)
Nine more women say they were sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7752637/Jeffrey-Epsteins-sexual-abuses-began-1985-targeted-13-year-old-lawsuit-claims.html)
Bombshell witness was 'feet away' from Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7754413/Bombshell-witness-feet-away-Prince-Andrew-Virginia-Roberts.html)
The Queen is still in charge. Charles can certainly have a big impact in the decision, but the DM seems to have put him "in charge." I'm not so sure Andrew will be totally "ousted" and I think he will get to keep his titles but not be involved in any royal work. Effectively retired. But the worst threat to Andrew may yet be ahead of him if it goes to court or there are charges pressed.
Bombshell witness was 'feet away' from Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7754413/Bombshell-witness-feet-away-Prince-Andrew-Virginia-Roberts.html)
Trump Lies About Knowing Prince Andrew Amid Epstein Scandal | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-lies-about-not-knowing-prince-andrew/)
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Quote from: sandy on December 04, 2019, 04:29:17 PM
The Queen is still in charge. Charles can certainly have a big impact in the decision, but the DM seems to have put him "in charge." I'm not so sure Andrew will be totally "ousted" and I think he will get to keep his titles but not be involved in any royal work. Effectively retired. But the worst threat to Andrew may yet be ahead of him if it goes to court or there are charges pressed.
I?m with you,
@sandy
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Don?t make us subpoena you, lawyer tells Andrew over ?night with teen girl? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1212716/prince-andrew-sex-scandal-royal-latest-virginia-roberts)
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My night at Prince Andrew club Tramp where old men ask young girls their ?price? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10452373/i-went-to-prince-andrew-club-tramp-where-old-men-ask-young-girls-their-price/)
Prince Andrew's pals accuse BBC of bias for allowing 'sex slave' Virginia Roberts 'to cry a lot' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10480124/prince-andrew-bbc-bias-virginia-roberts/)
Sick Epstein T-shirts featuring the Queen and Prince Andrew among vile paedo merchandise flogged online ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10481616/epstein-t-shirts-queen-prince-andrew-paedo-merchandise/)
Jeffrey Epstein accused of sexually assaulting NINE more women as young as 13 ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10479212/jeffrey-epstein-accused-sexually-assaulting-nine-more-women/)
Furious Prince Charles drags disgraced Prince Andrew to Sandringham crunch summit to 'read him the riot act' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10479374/prince-charles-prince-andrew-sandringham-showdown/)
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Donald Trump poses with Ghislaine Maxwell at Heidi Klum's hookers and pimps-themed party | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7752543/Donald-Trump-poses-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Heidi-Klums-hookers-pimps-themed-party.html)
Shocking news for President Trump!!
Well, I hope he is completely out of the picture pressured or not by Charles to the dithering Queen, since I heard he will still be included in the yearly family events; walking the Sandringham Christmas day, the Garter Ceremony, Ascot, Trooping of the Colour, Remembrance Day.
I really dislike having negotiations and compromises (if any between Queen and POW, I believe the later wants him out for good in everything) related to an individual who's doomed and persona non grata.
Prince Andrew faces ban from Christmas Day church service with the Queen amid fears of sex abuse protesters ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10485166/prince-andrew-ban-christmas-church-queen/)
Royal staff 'want to BANISH Prince Andrew from the Royal Family's Christmas Day church outing' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7757599/Royal-staff-want-BANISH-Prince-Andrew-Royal-Familys-Christmas-Day-church-outing.html)
Ironically, Charles himself was accused of "dithering" in the media at various times.
How far "out" does Andrew need to go? I think he needs to worry about legal action rather than titles and so forth.
I doubt Andrew will be exiled to cave dwelling and avoided totally by his family. I think he will even keep the title. He is not "doomed" since I doubt he's facing any death sentence.
I think there will be protestors whether or not Andrew himself appears at the Church services.
Quote from: wannable on December 04, 2019, 09:05:56 PM
Well, I hope he is completely out of the picture pressured or not by Charles to the dithering Queen, since I heard he will still be included in the yearly family events; walking the Sandringham Christmas day, the Garter Ceremony, Ascot, Trooping of the Colour, Remembrance Day.
I really dislike having negotiations and compromises (if any between Queen and POW, I believe the later wants him out for good in everything) related to an individual who's doomed and persona non grata.
IMHO it's time for Andrew to go and face a future much like Spain's Infanta Cristina. He can reside in the UK, retain his style and title but he should not be in attendance at any official functions with the exception of his parents' funerals. (I would consider Beatrice's and Eduardo's wedding to be a private affair.)
Worst case scenario: Andrew going to prison like BIll Cosby.
And Infanta Cristina's husband...but not for the same crimes as Bill Cosby. :notamused:
If a lot of accusers start appearing Andrew will be in deep trouble. At the very least, there probably would be substantial settlements out of court.
Eugenie, Beatrice Are ?Really Upset? About Prince Andrew Drama (https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/eugenie-beatrice-are-really-upset-about-prince-andrew-drama/?utm_source=email&em_hash=760b355e0ed211cf75b8fe73b96cc08d)
Quote from: wannable on December 04, 2019, 09:05:56 PM
Well, I hope he is completely out of the picture pressured or not by Charles to the dithering Queen, since I heard he will still be included in the yearly family events; walking the Sandringham Christmas day, the Garter Ceremony, Ascot, Trooping of the Colour, Remembrance Day.
I really dislike having negotiations and compromises (if any between Queen and POW, I believe the later wants him out for good in everything) related to an individual who's doomed and persona non grata.
Andrew shouldnt to be attending any family event anymore and yes should have his title removed.
If Charles allows Andrew attends to those public family events, Charles is so much a arrogant fool as their mother.
I wonder whether Andrew will cut out Xmas at Sandringham this year? Apparently the tabloids are now suggesting that there may be protesters from anti-sex trafficking organisations around if he joins the walk from Church.
It might be as well for him to absent himself for this year at least. There might be an awkward atmosphere! The Yorks are a tight unit and, who knows, they might all decide on Turkey dinner at the Swiss chalet. Sarah's never at Sandringham anyway and the Yorkie daughters split from the place on Xmas afternoon after the Queen's speech. Hardly seems worth it, really. Might as well go to Siberia, er the Swiss snows.
Agree, the York's are a tight unit, I hope their daughters and their partners decide together what and where they will spend this Christmas. I think he will be banned from Sandringham, or so I hope so.
I believe the PR tactics of Charles is to pull out the DOC's family unit for the walk (including Maria Poppins with Prince Louis) to cover front page news.
I agree
@Curryong and
@wannable that the DoY will not be publicly present at Sandringham for Christmas. I'm sorry that it will potentially impact Eugenie/Jack and Beatrice/Eduardo but IMO they won't be there either.
Prince Philip 'ordered Andrew to step down for monarchy's sake' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7759139/Prince-Philip-ordered-Andrew-step-sake-monarchy.html)
Prince Philip fury: Duke ?to Prince Andrew to take your punishment? after BBC interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1213335/prince-andrew-prince-chapels-prince-philip-queen-royal-family-epstein-scandal-royals)
Queen facing devastating Christmas Day as Andrew protesters could picket outside church | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1213333/royal-news-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-christmas-day-the-queen)
Charles told Prince Andrew there's 'no way back' before Virginia Roberts' BBC interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-read-riot-act-21030077)
Prince Philip told Andrew to ?take his punishment? at family crisis talks after car crash interview ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10488384/prince-philip-andrew-punishment-family-crisis/)
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Prince Philip 'ordered Andrew to step down for the sake of the monarchy' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-philip-ordered-andrew-step-21033903)
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Donald Trump once called Prince Andrew ?a lot of fun? despite claiming not to know him in wake of Epstein scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/10491468/donald-trump-prince-andrew-a-lot-of-fun/)
Quote from: dianab on December 05, 2019, 10:55:18 AM
Andrew shouldnt to be attending any family event anymore and yes should have his title removed.
If Charles allows Andrew attends to those public family events, Charles is so much a arrogant fool as their mother.
Charles still has to defer to his mother. Since she is the Queen.
Prince Andrew?s ?pimp? pal Ghislaine Maxwell ?had sex with dozens of underage girls? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10493144/ghislaine-maxwell-sex-dozens-of-girls/)
Quote from: sandy on December 05, 2019, 11:16:12 PM
Charles still has to defer to his mother. Since she is the Queen.
it's wrong in so many levels andrew attends (ever again): Sandringham Christmas day, the Garter Ceremony, Ascot, Trooping of the Colour, Remembrance Day
he has to be banned of the royal life forever
Quote from: dianab on December 06, 2019, 12:14:10 PM
it's wrong in so many levels andrew attends (ever again): Sandringham Christmas day, the Garter Ceremony, Ascot, Trooping of the Colour, Remembrance Day
he has to be banned of the royal life forever
he's not going to be completely banned form Royal life... He may have to avoid public ceremonies for a few years.. and I hope he will never again do royal duties.. but he is a member of the family and he's not going to be totally ostracised.
Quote from: Curryong on December 05, 2019, 01:19:04 PM
I wonder whether Andrew will cut out Xmas at Sandringham this year? Apparently the tabloids are now suggesting that there may be protesters from anti-sex trafficking organisations around if he joins the walk from Church.
It might be as well for him to absent himself for this year at least. There might be an awkward atmosphere! The Yorks are a tight unit and, who knows, they might all decide on Turkey dinner at the Swiss chalet. Sarah's never at Sandringham anyway and the Yorkie daughters split from the place on Xmas afternoon after the Queen's speech. Hardly seems worth it, really. Might as well go to Siberia, er the Swiss snows.
Andrew will not join sandringham on December 25 with members of royal family due protestors and mores I?m guaranteed have police on duties at sandringham 24/7
Duke of York will be no longer events in including trooping color,garter ceremony,Ascot,rembrance day and more but HM Queen makes decisions for Andrew can?t attend events
I think the protesters will still be there whether Andrew is or not.
Quote from: amabel on December 06, 2019, 12:44:57 PM
he's not going to be completely banned form Royal life... He may have to avoid public ceremonies for a few years.. and I hope he will never again do royal duties.. but he is a member of the family and he's not going to be totally ostracised.
HM Queen makes decisions to banned her son for events including trooping color,garter ceremony,Ascot,rembrance day and more on events but HM Queen is head of state since 67 years and she is in charge
^^ Oh dear, what a nightmare, having protesters at the S walk. Andrew opened Pandoras box.
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Prince Andrew 'was particularly fond of four-handed massages where two women work on you at the same time', claims ex-girlfriend who also reveals how models sat in his lap at art dealer's dinner party
Fresh details of Prince Andrew's sleazy behaviour have emerged after a friend who partied with him revealed how 'sexy young models' would fling their arms around him and call him 'Andy, Darling'.
Quote from: sandy on December 06, 2019, 03:27:44 PM
I think the protesters will still be there whether Andrew is or not.
Fingers crossed for that 🙏🏻🤞🏻
Prince Andrew 'was particularly fond of four-handed massages' says ex-girlfriend | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7763457/Prince-Andrew-particularly-fond-four-handed-massages-says-ex-girlfriend.html)
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'Sexually keen' Prince Andrew 'liked four-handed massages from two women', ex-girlfriend reveals (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10497038/sexually-keen-prince-andrew-massage/)
Prince Andrew?s ?pimp? pal Ghislaine Maxwell ?had sex with dozens of underage girls? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10493144/ghislaine-maxwell-sex-dozens-of-girls/)
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A very interesting and excellent read. The report makes excellent points about greater changes of the monarchy. Much has changed in the past 20 years *75 years of ruling but work remains to be done. Biggest challenge remains the size of the working Royal family given the size of the Commonwealth with 16 realms and public expectations.
Read here: Prince Andrew: six lessons for modern monarchy | The Constitution Unit Blog (https://constitution-unit.com/2019/12/06/prince-andrew-six-lessons-for-modern-monarchy/)
Prince Andrew liked a two-woman massage, says ex-girlfriend | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7763457/Prince-Andrew-particularly-fond-four-handed-massages-says-ex-girlfriend.html)
Prince Andrew Meeting with Prince Philip Prince Charles | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-drove-to-sandringham-for-meeting-with-philip-and-charles-after-tv-interview/)
Not much point protesting about child trafficking if the alleged perpetrator is nowhere to be seen. The Queen gets driven back to the House from the church and the rest of the royals know no more about this than anybody else. One more reason why the Yorkies should cut Xmas at Sandringham this year and just go to Switzerland or stay at Royal Lodge.
In fact after Bea's marriage she and Edo will probably move into a nice London apartment or house, and that would be ideal for future gatherings for the York family. Eugenie and Tom don't have the room at the moment. And for the first time for years Fergie will be able to eat Xmas dinner on the day with her family.
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Most of the article just summarises points of discussion that have come up here on this forum over the years. In Sweden for example King Carl Gustav himself is none too popular though Crown Prss Victoria is. Nevertheless I would not be surprised to see Sweden become a republic. The spirit of the place is against a monarchical system.
As far as the BRF is concerned, the next few years will see the retirement of the elderly Kents whether the Queen is with us still or not. That will being the numbers down to a dozen or so working royals. It was a mistake IMO for the Queen to ask the young new Duke of Gloucester to give up his architectural career. That won't ever happen again to a monarch's cousins, and I think the Duke and Duchess could be persuaded to retire in a couple of years.
That will bring it down to ten working royals. I do think that Anne and the Wessexes will continue to beaver away at the beginning of Charles's reign but the core working royals will be Charles, Camilla, Charles's sons, their wives and eventually George. I just can't see Charlotte or Louis being asked to slip on the golden handcuffs and within ten years Anne will probably be retired and within fifteen the Wessexes.
Jeffrey Epstein exploited friendship with Victoria's Secret boss to target models | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7765569/Jeffrey-Epstein-exploited-friendship-Victorias-Secret-boss-target-models.html)
Still, really horrible news being leaked. :no:
Quote from: Curryong on December 06, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
Not much point protesting about child trafficking if the alleged perpetrator is nowhere to be seen. The Queen gets driven back to the House from the church and the rest of the royals know no more about this than anybody else. One more reason why the Yorkies should cut Xmas at Sandringham this year and just go to Switzerland or stay at Royal Lodge.
In fact after Bea's marriage she and Edo will probably move into a nice London apartment or house, and that would be ideal for future gatherings for the York family. Eugenie and Tom don't have the room at the moment. And for the first time for years Fergie will be able to eat Xmas dinner on the day with her family.
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Most of the article just summarises points of discussion that have come up here on this forum over the years. In Sweden for example King Carl Gustav himself is none too popular though Crown Prss Victoria is. Nevertheless I would not be surprised to see Sweden become a republic. The spirit of the place is against a monarchical system.
As far as the BRF is concerned, the next few years will see the retirement of the elderly Kents whether the Queen is with us still or not. That will being the numbers down to a dozen or so working royals. It was a mistake IMO for the Queen to ask the young new Duke of Gloucester to give up his architectural career. That won't ever happen again to a monarch's cousins, and I think the Duke and Duchess could be persuaded to retire in a couple of years.
That will bring it down to ten working royals. I do think that Anne and the Wessexes will continue to beaver away at the beginning of Charles's reign but the core working royals will be Charles, Camilla, Charles's sons, their wives and eventually George. I just can't see Charlotte or Louis being asked to slip on the golden handcuffs and within ten years Anne will probably be retired and within fifteen the Wessexes.
I agree on all points here Curryong this year alone Christmas will be interesting in the past couple of years Zara and Mike have celebrated down under, the Sussex's will not be in attendance there is some talk mostly speculation William and Kate may not be in attendance as well. Given the current situation with Andrew there is a chance he will be at Sandringham and discreetly enter the church for the service and again discreetly exiting but if Beatrice and Eugenie walk with the rest they face being heckled as his daughters though they know nothing more than the public. This year the York family should celebrate privately something I'm sure Sarah would love.
@ Blue Clover I agree that still really horrible new is being leaked however, I believe in the weeks and months ahead it is only going to get worse.
SECOND Jeffrey Epstein victim claims she had sex with Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7765677/Jeffrey-Epstein-victim-claims-sex-Prince-Andrew.html)
Second Jeffrey Epstein victim tells lawyers she had sex with Prince Andrew too - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/second-jeffrey-epstein-victim-tells-21042486)
I think there will be more...
Yes, only to be expected though when everyone involved in this (minus the victims of course) are horrible people, and I include Fergie in that number. Her schmoozing Epstein for a loan just shows her up as both financially irresponsible and a person who would do anything for money. G
And sorry, but it's my belief that Fergie not only knew all about the orgies on Epstein's island when she stayed there but was quite capable of joining in anything that was going on. And we now know, as a result of all these recent revelations, one of the primary reasons that Andrew allows her to keep hanging around.
Quote from: Trudie on December 07, 2019, 12:11:17 AM
I agree on all points here Curryong this year alone Christmas will be interesting in the past couple of years Zara and Mike have celebrated down under, the Sussex's will not be in attendance there is some talk mostly speculation William and Kate may not be in attendance as well. Given the current situation with Andrew there is a chance he will be at Sandringham and discreetly enter the church for the service and again discreetly exiting but if Beatrice and Eugenie walk with the rest they face being heckled as his daughters though they know nothing more than the public. This year the York family should celebrate privately something I'm sure Sarah would love.
I?m Agreed with you,
@Trudie Duke and Duchess of Sussex in USA for holidays and Cambridges at Middleton for Christmas but I?m sure Cambridges would be there at sandringham we have wait till Christmas stay tuned who will attend 🙏🏻🤞🏻🤐🤫
I think Yorks family will get away with deal with the Andrew dramatic and scandalous Eugenie and Beatrice will be there at sandringham we have wait till Christmas 🙏🏻🤞🏻🤐🤫
Earl and Countess of Wessex and kids will be there at sandringham 🙏🏻🤞🏻
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@ Blue Clover I agree that still really horrible new is being leaked however, I believe in the weeks and months ahead it is only going to get worse.
@Trudie-It's to the point where I can barely read it. While many of these witnesses are now in their late twenties and early thirties, I am sickened every time I see photos of them as teens who were trafficked.
@Trudie and
@sandy - Yes, sadly more details and possibly more victims will come forward. :no:
Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein: what you need to know | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/07/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-what-you-need-to-know)
Second Jeffrey Epstein victim claims she had sex with Prince Andrew (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10501918/second-jeffrey-epstein-victim-claims-she-had-sex-with-prince-andrew/)
Prince Andrew?s pals convinced he DID have sex with teen Virginia Roberts because ?he was always chasing a s**g? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10499911/prince-andrews-sex-teen-virginia-roberts-chasing/)
This second victim of the sex trafficking re Andrew has taken her time coming forward though. I'm not saying anything about her specifically but I must say I sort of mistrust people who come forward decade(s) later in a well-publicised case. I hope that Andrew does answer questions from the FBI sooner rather than later. Nobody wants this dragging on for another ten years.
Quote from: Curryong on December 07, 2019, 08:34:15 PM
This second victim of the sex trafficking re Andrew has taken her time coming forward though. I'm not saying anything about her specifically but I must say I sort of mistrust people who come forward decade(s) later in a well-publicised case. I hope that Andrew does answer questions from the FBI sooner rather than later. Nobody wants this dragging on for another ten years.
I don't think Andrew will talk to the FBI...(or go to the US)
@amabel I don't think Andrew will talk to the FBI either and he would be stupid to come to the U.S. knowing he would most probably be subpoenaed the moment he cleared customs. Andrew knows the interview he gave with supposedly a tough journalist did not get the reception he thought can you imagine him getting grilled by federal investigators and or tougher attorneys? they would chew him up and spit him out for breakfast.
Its already been stated that FBI investigators would be agreeable to traveling to London to interview Andrew and find out what he knows, not grilling him as a suspect. I don't think Andrew would go to the US for a grilling either.
Quote from: Curryong on December 07, 2019, 08:34:15 PM
This second victim of the sex trafficking re Andrew has taken her time coming forward though. I'm not saying anything about her specifically but I must say I sort of mistrust people who come forward decade(s) later in a well-publicised case. I hope that Andrew does answer questions from the FBI sooner rather than later. Nobody wants this dragging on for another ten years.
I don?t think so!! Duke of York not going to USA out of respect for Jeffrey Esptein?s victims what ITV says
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Quote from: Curryong on December 08, 2019, 01:21:22 AM
Its already been stated that FBI investigators would be agreeable to traveling to London to interview Andrew and find out what he knows, not grilling him as a suspect. I don't think Andrew would go to the US for a grilling either.
We have wait and see till confirmed if he not suspected 🙏🏻🤞🏻
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Quote from: Trudie on December 08, 2019, 01:15:35 AM
@amabel I don't think Andrew will talk to the FBI either and he would be stupid to come to the U.S. knowing he would most probably be subpoenaed the moment he cleared customs. Andrew knows the interview he gave with supposedly a tough journalist did not get the reception he thought can you imagine him getting grilled by federal investigators and or tougher attorneys? they would chew him up and spit him out for breakfast.
Nice try,
@amabel i dont think attorney will grilled the Duke of York
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'I saw Andrew with Virginia Roberts at Tramp on fateful night too': Second witness tells US lawyer | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767845/I-saw-Andrew-Virginia-Roberts-Tramp-fateful-night-Second-witness-tells-lawyer.html)
Prince Andrew made a secret deal to fly around the world on a tax haven tycoon's ?40m luxury jet | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767671/Prince-Andrew-secret-deal-fly-world-tax-haven-tycoons-40m-luxury-jet.html)
Prince Andrew?s friend Ghislaine Maxwell closed down UK firm day after last sighting | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1214414/prince-Andrew-news-Epstein-ghislaine-Maxwell-Virginia-giuffre)
Shocking photo shows paedo Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein & ?pimp? Ghislaine Maxwell at Beatrice?s 18th birthday bash ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10505670/jeffrey-epstein-harvey-weinstein-princess-beatrice-birthday/)
A national probe by government on the deal (By Andrew) and use (Andrew and apparently other royals) of private jets with Rowland, he sure did open wide Pandora's box
@wannable I saw that and it says to me that now that Pandora's box is wide open, Prince Andrews's behavior in other areas, unrelated to the Epstein case, will be exposed and could lead to additional investigations into other aspects of his life. So if his involvement in Epstein was never exposed, none of his business deals or other questionable deals would have ever come to light.
Maybe that's why Prince Philip and Prince Charles moved so quickly to push him out of royal life - they probably have a better idea of what exactly Prince Andrew has been up to.
:goodpost: ^
Prince Andrew to join Queen at church on Christmas in his first public appearance since Newsnight | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7768995/Prince-Andrew-join-Queen-church-Christmas-public-appearance-Newsnight.html)
Prince Andrew WILL join Queen at church on Christmas Day in first public appearance since car crash interview (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10508039/prince-andrew-queen-sandringham-christmas-epstein/)
Prince Andrew ?made secret deal to use tax haven tycoon?s ?40m luxury jet because he was sick of ageing RAF planes? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10506130/prince-andrew-secret-deal-david-rowland/)
Ghislaine Maxwell snapped in London on June 6 ahead of meeting with Prince Andrew at Buckingham Palace ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10506657/ghislaine-maxwell-london-prince-andrew-meeting/)
Prince Andrew ?being looked into by FBI? as second Tramp witness claims she saw him with Epstein ?sex slave? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10507481/prince-andrew-fbi-second-tramp-witness/)
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Prince Andrew's friends cast doubt on new claims he danced with teenage 'sex slave' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/08/prince-andrews-friends-cast-doubt-new-claims-danced-teenage/)
I can't believe the Queen would allow Andrew to walk with the rest of the family at Christmas. If he desires to go to the church service he should discreetly enter and exit the church and not subject the rest of the family to possible jeers and nasty comments.
If true - probably it's likely- which a vomit inducing family
If this is true, the original article from the Times, someone has to say it...granny lost her marbles.
She wants to do a "litmus test", which is like a definite (effective) test gauging the mood of the public.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman told The Times: 'The Duke of York is still a part of the royal family and you can expect to see him at family occasions.' :wacko: :happy17: :wacko:
How much more damaging can that household/court get into?
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How much more damaging can that household/court get into?
Not yet still waiting update but no weekend update stay tuned 🙏🏻🤞🏻
Prince Andrew will join the Queen on Christmas Day at church | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1214619/royal-news-latest-prince-andrew-christmas-the-queen-sandringham)
Prince Andrew?s friend Ghislaine Maxwell closed down UK firm day after last sighting | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1214414/prince-Andrew-news-Epstein-ghislaine-Maxwell-Virginia-giuffre)
Sarah Ferguson news: How Duchess sought Epstein's help amid debt crisis | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1213919/sarah-ferguson-news-duchess-york-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-debt-royal-spt)
Prince Andrew on lockdown from palace after royal insiders fury at ?car-crash? interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1214574/Prince-Andrew-royal-news-update-latest-Virginia-Roberts-today-buckingham-palace-epstein)
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Quote from: wannable on December 09, 2019, 12:40:02 AM
If this is true, the original article from the Times, someone has to say it...granny lost her marbles.
She wants to do a "litmus test", which is like a definite (effective) test gauging the mood of the public.
😂😆😏 :hehe: :teehee:
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Jeffrey Epstein's co-pilot revealed the billionaire employed stewardesses who appeared to be minors | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7768595/Jeffrey-Epsteins-pilot-revealed-billionaire-employed-stewardesses-appeared-minors.html)
Quote from: Trudie on December 08, 2019, 11:13:09 PM
I can't believe the Queen would allow Andrew to walk with the rest of the family at Christmas. If he desires to go to the church service he should discreetly enter and exit the church and not subject the rest of the family to possible jeers and nasty comments.
I hope his daughters are not used to "protect" him from jeers and walk with him. He needs to spare them from this painful situation
Ghislaine Maxwell to give US TV interview about Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7771377/Jeffrey-Epsteins-pimp-Ghislaine-Maxwell-plans-tell-interview-TV.html)
Royal news: Insider lifts lid on 'crisis lunch' between Andrew and Charles | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1214835/royal-news-prince-andrew-prince-charles-prince-philip-sandringham-crisis-lunch-spt)
Prince Andrew 'out of Royal Family for eternity' amid Jeffrey Epstein crisis | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1214793/prince-andrew-news-royal-family-crisis-buckingham-palace-nuclear-bomb-eternity-spt)
Prince Andrew feud: Why did Prince Andrew REJECT this offer from Prince Charles? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1209076/prince-andrew-feud-brother-prince-charles-job-aide-royal-feud-epstein-scandal)
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Jeffrey Epstein?s 'pimp' Ghislaine Maxwell 'planning TV defence of Prince Andrew' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeffrey-epsteins-pimp-ghislaine-maxwell-21054500)
Second witness claims they saw Prince Andrew dancing with Epstein 'sex slave' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/second-witness-claims-saw-prince-21051012)
^i wonder if ghislaine will be invited to Beatrice wedding... after the interview, i dont doubt there will be photos of ghislaine horse riding with the queen and andrew!
Quote from: dianab on December 09, 2019, 05:52:12 PM
^i wonder if ghislaine will be invited to Beatrice wedding... after the interview, i dont doubt there will be photos of ghislaine horse riding with the queen and andrew!
I don?t think so Beatrice and Eduardo makes decisions have small wedding what I?m talking about her engagement thread posts says no lavish wedding,big wedding ceremony and televised since her dad?s scandal got headlines
The Cambridges and Sussexes need to 'raise their game' next year according to royal commentators | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7772979/The-Cambridges-Sussexes-need-raise-game-year-according-royal-commentators.html)
Ghislaine will not be there unless she's a wedding crasher.
Quote from: sandy on December 09, 2019, 05:05:15 PM
I hope his daughters are not used to "protect" him from jeers and walk with him. He needs to spare them from this painful situation
IT is really hard to imagine him walking to church with the family. I hope his family will not reject him completely, but their relationship with him must be private for at least the next several years.
CRAIG BROWN: To servants, there's just one Prince of Oafs | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7774747/CRAIG-BROWN-servants-theres-just-one-Prince-Oafs.html)
QuoteMemoirs written below stairs tend to be infinitely more revealing than those written above. Recalling the two younger Princes, Wendy Berry found Edward ?utterly charming and polite?, but Andrew boorish and rude. Her son James, who worked at Buckingham Palace, told her of Andrew?s tendency ?to barge his way around the house, expecting to be looked after and served for every whim?.
:notamused:
Andrew was supposedly like that as a child.
Fergie soon after the wedding apparently got bored with him since all he did was play golf and watch TV as a "couch potato."
Prince Andrew's friends cast doubt on new claims he danced with teenage 'sex slave' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/08/prince-andrews-friends-cast-doubt-new-claims-danced-teenage/)
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Royal source claims that friends are 'concerned' about Princess Beatrice | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7776629/Royal-source-claims-friends-concerned-Princess-Beatrice.html)
Virginia Roberts posts chilling Twitter message claiming 'I'm not suicidal' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7779829/Virginia-Roberts-posts-chilling-Twitter-message-claiming-Im-not-suicidal.html)
Prince Andrew's Pitch@Palace event is moved from Buckingham Palace to hotel and Duke not invited | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7781249/Prince-Andrews-Pitch-Palace-event-moved-Buckingham-Palace-hotel-Duke-not-invited.html)
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Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre: 'I'm not suicidal, in case something happens to me' | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-im-not-suicidal-in-case-something-happens-to-me-11883685)
Virginia Roberts posts warning after Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1215713/Virginia-Roberts-jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-BBC-interview-latest-royal-news)
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Prince Andrew sex accuser Virginia Roberts says ?evil people want me quiet if something happens to me, don?t let it go? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10527097/prince-andrew-sex-accuser-suicide-twitter/)
Epstein had six-foot portrait of nude Ghislaine Maxwell with legs wide open in ?underage party pool? area at ranch (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10494020/epstein-had-six-foot-portrait-of-nude-ghislaine-maxwell-with-legs-wide-open-in-underage-party-pool-area-at-ranch/)
Princess Beatrice?s pals ?concerned? as Prince Andrew?s ?embarrassing? scandal threatens to ruin wedding ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10526951/princess-beatrice-wedding-prince-andrew/)
Prince Andrew sex accuser says 'I'm not suicidal' and warns 'evil people want me quiet' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-sex-accuser-says-21071716)
Princess Beatrice's friends 'concerned about her' as Andrew 'embarrassed family' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrices-friends-concerned-her-21071382)
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Virginia Roberts claims the FBI have warned her there is 'a credible death threat made against her' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7784529/Virginia-Roberts-claims-FBI-warned-credible-death-threat-against-her.html)
THIRD director quits Prince Andrew's Dragons' Den-style scheme for entrepreneurs | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7784413/THIRD-director-quits-Prince-Andrews-Dragons-Den-style-scheme-entrepreneurs.html)
Epstein had '6ft provocative naked portrait of Ghislaine Maxwell' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7784765/Epstein-kept-6ft-portrait-Ghislaine-Maxwell-nude-legs-apart-former-employee-claims.html)
Fergie defends ex-husband Andrew amid Epstein scandal that's been 'hard' for her and Princesses | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7784965/Fergie-defends-ex-husband-Andrew-amid-Epstein-scandal-thats-hard-Princesses.html)
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?She was so dangerous?: where in the world is the notorious Ghislaine Maxwell? | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/12/she-was-so-dangerous-where-in-the-world-is-the-notorious-ghislaine-maxwell)
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Sarah Ferguson labels Prince Andrew and Jeffry Epstein scandal 'nonsense' in bizarre interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sarah-ferguson-labels-prince-andrew-21082505)
Prince Andrew sex accuser 'told by FBI of credible death threat against her' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-prince-andrew-sex-accuser-21079615)
Prince Andrew sex accuser Virginia Roberts 'told by FBI of credible death threat against her' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10535077/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-fbi-death-threats/)
Photos of Prince Andrew with Epstein littered paedo?s ranch where tycoon hosted underage sex parties (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10534953/photos-of-prince-andrew-epstein-sex-ranch/)
Epstein had six-foot portrait of nude Ghislaine Maxwell with legs wide open in ?underage party pool? area at ranch (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10494020/epstein-portrait-nude-ghislaine-maxwell/)
Prince Andrew's Epstein 'sex slave' scandal 'has been hard on girls and me', says Fergie as she insists it's (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10535187/prince-andrews-epstein-sex-slave-scandal/)
How Duke used pseudonym to set up secret firm with sports tycoon | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7790861/How-Duke-used-pseudonym-set-secret-firm-sports-tycoon.html)
Prince Andrew 'used fake name to set up secret company with the sports tycoon who organised famous Thailand trip' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10550106/prince-andrew-fake-name-secret-company/)
Prince Andrew leaves Buckingham Palace as Virginia Roberts said he put daughters 'through HELL' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7798761/Prince-Andrew-leaves-Buckingham-Palace-Virginia-Roberts-said-daughters-HELL.html)
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'We shouldn't ask the royals to be SAINTS': The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby appears to DEFEND Prince Andrew over Jeffrey Epstein 'sex slave' scandal
The Archbishop of Canterbury appeared to defend the Duke of York today, saying of the royals' duty to live up to a higher moral code: 'Everybody makes mistakes, everybody is human.'
Justin Welby
Prince Andrew putting Beatrice and Eugenie ?through hell? says accuser Virginia Roberts | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1217919/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-epstein-princess-beatrice-eugenie-andrew-royal-family)
Prince Andrew put Beatrice and Eugenie 'through hell' claims accuser Virginia Roberts - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-put-beatrice-eugenie-21108280)
What a chaotic situation! I wonder how this will end? :hmm:
By forgiving.
Prince Andrew told ?Everybody makes mistakes? as Archbishop of Canterbury defends Duke over Epstein ?sex slave? scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10562248/prince-andrew-archbishop-of-canterbury-epstein/)
Archbishop of Canterbury says being in the royal family 'is a life sentence' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/archbishop-canterbury-says-being-royal-21111176)
Quote from: wannable on December 17, 2019, 03:53:16 AM
By forgiving.
Who is supposed to do the forgiving? Its for the Vicitms to do.. and they need to get justice and closure before they can do that...
Amabel there can never be justice and closure in this case. Epstein is dead he can never face justice as for Maxwell that is debatable and Andrew well he is protected as long as he stays in Britain and away from the U.S.
Quote from: Trudie on December 17, 2019, 10:03:55 AM
Amabel there can never be justice and closure in this case. Epstein is dead he can never face justice as for Maxwell that is debatable and Andrew well he is protected as long as he stays in Britain and away from the U.S.
Andrew is not the only person concerned.. and there is a possibility I hope of civil claims against Epstein's estate and of getting hold of some of the other perpetrators. I don't think that Andrew is guilyt of actively pusuring sex with under age girls.. but his behaviour in associating with Epstein when he knew that the man was such a sleaze and sex criminal is completey wrong and he deserves at the least to have to give up his royal role...
Quote from: amabel on December 17, 2019, 08:24:19 AM
Who is supposed to do the forgiving? Its for the Vicitms to do.. and they need to get justice and closure before they can do that...
Justin Welby, the Archbishop. In any religion when the word Mistake is said about a person, next sentence, proceed with Forgiveness. Always!
Quote from: amabel on December 17, 2019, 10:19:53 AM
Andrew is not the only person concerned.. and there is a possibility I hope of civil claims against Epstein's estate and of getting hold of some of the other perpetrators. I don't think that Andrew is guilyt of actively pusuring sex with under age girls.. but his behaviour in associating with Epstein when he knew that the man was such a sleaze and sex criminal is completey wrong and he deserves at the least to have to give up his royal role...
Andrew is not naive, when he realized what was happening he should have run in the opposite direction. Nobody forced him to be around Epstein and those young women.
Quote from: sandy on December 17, 2019, 01:24:51 PM
Andrew is not naive, when he realized what was happening he should have run in the opposite direction. Nobody forced him to be around Epstein and those young women.
but he didn't. nevertheless he's not the only man who was involved iwht Epstein...
He may not be the only one but being one of several does not make it any better IMO. All involved should have known better and had a choice to back off.
Quote from: sandy on December 17, 2019, 01:37:10 PM
He may not be the only one but being one of several does not make it any better IMO. All involved should have known better and had a choice to back off.
yes obviously... but the issue was how the victims are to obtain closure..
Quote from: amabel on December 17, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
yes obviously... but the issue was how the victims are to obtain closure..
How can they prove their case? If there is any chance of justice there will have to be a credible witness who comes forward or is forced to admit to what he or she saw. There are also many cases of opportunists posing as victims and making victims of others. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but that is just as difficult to prove.
And how can he prove he didn't do this?
Quote from: sandy on December 17, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
And how can he prove he didn't do this?
If you mean Andrew, he would have had a better case if he hadn't told so many fibs in that interview.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on December 17, 2019, 02:18:11 PM
How can they prove their case? If there is any chance of justice there will have to be a credible witness who comes forward or is forced to admit to what he or she saw. There are also many cases of opportunists posing as victims and making victims of others. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but that is just as difficult to prove.
as far there isnt any evidence they (the women) were/are lying... exactly like there is no evidence that proves saville was innocent...
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Quote from: sandy on December 17, 2019, 01:24:51 PM
Andrew is not naive, when he realized what was happening he should have run in the opposite direction. Nobody forced him to be around Epstein and those young women.
as well nobody forced Andrew to be around Gghislaine and remains in touch with her until this day
I find it appalling that she's not being prosecuted, but that's immunity. <_<
String of Canadian institutions cut ties with Prince Andrew in wake of Epstein scandal | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7804877/String-Canadian-institutions-cut-ties-Prince-Andrew-wake-Epstein-scandal.html)
I am not surprised to see that these schools are erasing their links with the disgraced Prince Andrew. <_<
Quote from: TLLK on December 17, 2019, 08:16:51 PM
I find it appalling that she's not being prosecuted, but that's immunity. <_<
Is this Ghislaine Maxwell? Has she got immunity? I thought she ahd vanished...
QuoteAn additional wrench in the investigation into Maxwell could be the widely criticized 2007 non-prosecution agreement that protected Epstein and other co-conspirators against criminal charges.
Quote from: TLLK on December 18, 2019, 04:02:32 PM
I thought that the FBI were still pursuing witnesses since Epsteins death? but if she was grainted immunity, a few years ago, I suppose she has now just disappeared.
Prince Andrew WILL walk Princess Beatrice down the aisle at low key wedding to multi-millionaire after Epstein scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10581977/prince-andrew-walk-princess-beatrice-aisle-wedding-epstein/)
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Parents 'demand new name for Prince Andrew High School' after Epstein scandal - World News - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/parents-demand-new-name-prince-21123828)
Prince Andrew High School to change its name after parent backlash over Epstein scandal ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10576059/prince-andrew-high-school-change-name-canada-epstein-scandal/)
I don't think it will be truly low key.
Virginia Roberts reveals death threat made against her was 'not credible' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7809299/Virginia-Roberts-reveals-death-threat-against-not-credible.html)
Emily Maitlis says Prince Andrew 'paused being a royal' during BBC Epstein interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7809757/Emily-Maitlis-says-Prince-Andrew-paused-royal-BBC-Epstein-interview.html)
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Emily Maitlis: ?Prince Andrew was unleashed. He wanted to tell me everything? | Television & radio | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/dec/19/emily-maitlis-prince-andrew-was-unleashed-he-wanted-to-tell-me-everything)
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Three words of 'unleashed' Prince Andrew interview that 'changed everything' for Emily Maitlis - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/three-words-unleashed-prince-andrew-21127807)
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Emily Maitlis knew Prince Andrew?s interview spelled disaster minute he revealed he didn?t regret Epstein friendship ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10588713/emily-maitlis-prince-andrews-interview/)
Prince Andrew is frozen out from annual family trip to ?13million Verbier ski lodge | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815265/Prince-Andrew-frozen-annual-family-trip-13million-Verbier-ski-lodge.html)
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Quote from: sara8150 on December 20, 2019, 10:26:48 PM
Prince Andrew is frozen out from annual family trip to ?13million Verbier ski lodge | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815265/Prince-Andrew-frozen-annual-family-trip-13million-Verbier-ski-lodge.html)
Since his scandal broken earlier
Bosses give Duke of York ultimatum to quit project (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/20/bosses-give-duke-york-ultimatum-quit-project/)
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FIVE directors are now set to quit in mass exodus from Pitch@Palace | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7816015/FIVE-directors-set-quit-mass-exodus-Pitch-Palace.html)
Emily Maitlis reveals Prince Andrew was happy with his BBC Newsnight interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7828873/Emily-Maitlis-reveals-Prince-Andrew-happy-BBC-Newsnight-interview.html)
Emily Maitlis: I admire Prince Andrew for doing Newsnight interview (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/27/emily-maitlisi-admire-prince-andrew-newsnight-interview/)
Prince Andrew happy with 'car crash' interview and thinks BBC did a 'fair job' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-happy-newsnight-interview-21166968)
BBC's Emily Maitlis reveals Prince Andrew was 'happy' with his car crash Newsnight interview (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10624222/bbc-emily-maitlis-prince-andrew-newsnight-interview/)
I saw the print copy of the National Enquirer on a newsstand. Fiction but scroll all the way to the right for a photo of William and Kate "yelling" at Andrew in a composite photo. And it claims William is the next King.
PressReader.com - Your favorite newspapers and magazines. (https://www.pressreader.com/usa/national-enquirer/20200106/281582357535038)
well Charles is the next King but William is after him. And I don't think anyone would take the ENquirer seriously....
The photo of William and Kate ''yelling'': Both were at the Olympic park rallying for the Heads Together team, training for the Virgin Marathon Feb 2017....
I thought this unintentionally funny, National Enquirer made it sound like a soap opera. I know the picture was composite, wannabe, the National Enquirer folk spend time digging through pictures to make these composite photos. And it is known that CHarles is the next King not William. This is fiction. Of course.
Quote from: sandy on December 28, 2019, 05:18:14 PM
I thought this unintentionally funny, National Enquirer made it sound like a soap opera. I know the picture was composite, wannabe, the National Enquirer folk spend time digging through pictures to make these composite photos. And it is known that CHarles is the next King not William. This is fiction. Of course.
so why would anyone bother with it? we know that the ENquirier Is a tabloid...
People buy it.
yes but we know that it is a load of nonsense. Sayng that they are saying something like "Wiliam is the next King" or "William and Kate are shouting at Andrew" is hardly news.....We know that they write nonsense stories which no one takes seriously .
Exactly, Charles is the next King no matter how much anyone wants him to be skipped over. :hehe:
Quote from: amabel on December 28, 2019, 06:05:30 PM
so why would anyone bother with it? we know that the ENquirier Is a tabloid...
I've never understood why anyone would read the Inquirer or any of the other supermarket tabloids here in the States, but it keeps going so must be profitable. It also amazes me that they haven't bee sued into oblivion, yet they keep up with their garbage.
Carol Burnett sued them and won. I think there were others who won lawsuits.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on December 30, 2019, 08:23:39 PM
I've never understood why anyone would read the Inquirer or any of the other supermarket tabloids here in the States, but it keeps going so must be profitable. It also amazes me that they haven't bee sued into oblivion, yet they keep up with their garbage.
Because no one takes the tabloids seriously.. everyone knows they are wildly silly and meant to be entertainment.. So I don't know why anyone would menton one of the stories - we know that it is likely to be completely crazy stuff...
People on grocery store lines here make fun of it. I never met a single person who took it seriously. I don't take it seriously The article about William and Kate was ludicrous and with cheesy soap opera dialog.
Quote from: sandy on December 30, 2019, 09:13:42 PM
People on grocery store lines here make fun of it. I never met a single person who took it seriously. I don't take it seriously The article about William and Kate was ludicrous and with cheesy soap opera dialog.
so why bring it up? We know that they get things wrong all the time esp about British royals..
I brought it up because it was ridiculous. I certainly am not an advocate of the National Enquirer. There are other articles placed here from other dubious sources. So I did not see any reason not to add it to the others. Just saying.
Quote from: sandy on December 30, 2019, 09:20:55 PM
I brought it up because it was ridiculous. I certainly am not an advocate of the National Enquirer. There are other articles placed here from other dubious sources. So I did not see any reason not to add it to the others. Just saying.
But its like saying that a children's comic is not the same as an adult newspaper. Its obvious. We know that the Americna tabloids are light and for entertainemtn only. THe British tabloids are not very exact either but they are not on the same level of silly as the American ones.
Prince Andrew sex accuser Virginia Roberts makes 2020 vow to 'take down the 1% who think they're above the law' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10650848/prince-andrew-sex-accuser-2020-vow/)
sounds like more trouble ahead for Andrew. VIrginia Roberts is going to keep talking to the media.
I hope Virginia Roberts will see justice in her case, she has been through so much.
Prince Andrew 'begged Ghislaine Maxwell to clear his name' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7848185/Prince-Andrew-begged-Ghislaine-Maxwell-clear-Virginia-Roberts-claims-sex.html)
Prince Andrew 'begged Ghislaine Maxwell to clear his name but she refused' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10662022/prince-andrew-begged-ghislaine-maxwell-to-clear-his-name/)
Prince Andrew's pal Ghislaine Maxwell 'hiding from the FBI in an Israeli safe house' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-pal-ghisaine-maxwell-21202291)
Prince Andrew?s accuser urges: 'Let's take down the one per cent' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/01/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-roberts-vows-2020/)
Prince Andrew 'begged Ghislaine Maxwell to clear his name' but she refused, report claims (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/02/prince-andrew-begged-ghislaine-maxwell-clear-name-refused-report/)
Thinking that Ghislane Maxwell, organiser and pimp of trafficked girls for her buddy Epstein, would rush to his defence just proves that Andrew is both tone deaf to public opinion and as thick as two planks, IMO.
She's in no position to defend anybody.
Quote from: Curryong on January 03, 2020, 11:24:30 PM
Thinking that Ghislane Maxwell, organiser and pimp of trafficked girls for her buddy Epstein, would rush to his defence just proves that Andrew is both tone deaf to public opinion and as thick as two planks, IMO.
Probably both, if the story is true.
Ghislaine Maxwell, the former lover of Jeffrey Epstein, under 24-hour guard amid fears for her life | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7852153/Ghislaine-Maxwell-former-lover-Jeffrey-Epstein-24-hour-guard-amid-fears-life.html)
Paedophile Jeffrey Epstein 'ordered masseuse for Prince Andrew in 1996' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870183/Paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-ordered-masseuse-Prince-Andrew-1996.html)
Sebastian Shakespeare is confirming Andrew will not take part in this year's trooping of the colour.
Prince Andrew is told NOT to attend Trooping the Colour | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870773/Prince-Andrew-told-NOT-attend-Trooping-Colour.html)
You?re right about that,
@wannable due scandal still investigation going on
There was a rather horrific documentary about Epstein and his activities yesterday. Young teens were involved in the sordidness. Andrew is not in the clear.
I doubt Andrew will ever perform royal engagements for the rest of his life. It may emerge as he says he is innocent, however, his association with Epstein will always taint him as the old saying goes show me your friends and I will show you who you are.
Agree
@Trudie Charles and William will make sure it remains 'fired forever'
Quote from: Trudie on January 10, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
I doubt Andrew will ever perform royal engagements for the rest of his life. It may emerge as he says he is innocent, however, his association with Epstein will always taint him as the old saying goes show me your friends and I will show you who you are.
Epstein was a fiend. And yes, Andrew's association with him is going to indeed taint him.
I am not so sure Andrew is innocent. But he certainly is going to be scrutinized whether or not he turns out to be innocent.
Prince Andrew snub: Duke to be replaced at Queen?s Trooping the Colour | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1226538/royal-family-news-prince-andrew-trooping-the-colour-latest-news)
Quote from: sandy on January 10, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
Epstein was a fiend. And yes, Andrew's association with him is going to indeed taint him.
I am not so sure Andrew is innocent. But he certainly is going to be scrutinized whether or not he turns out to be innocent.
He is no longer performing Royal duties, and while the queen is still supporting him in private, she is not dong so in public. She's not going to throw him out, he is her son.. but A's royal life is over (I Hope for good)..
Quote from: sandy on January 10, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
Epstein was a fiend. And yes, Andrew's association with him is going to indeed taint him.
I am not so sure Andrew is innocent. But he certainly is going to be scrutinized whether or not he turns out to be innocent.
Exactly Sandy I am not so sure he is innocent either that is why I said it may emerge he is innocent. IMO he couldn't be that stupid with all those teenage girls around that something was amiss. It is also well known massage places are used to front businesses for ladies of the evening.
Quote from: sandy on January 10, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
Epstein was a fiend. And yes, Andrew's association with him is going to indeed taint him.
I am not so sure Andrew is innocent. But he certainly is going to be scrutinized whether or not he turns out to be innocent.
I?m agreeing with you
Quote from: Trudie on January 10, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
I doubt Andrew will ever perform royal engagements for the rest of his life. It may emerge as he says he is innocent, however, his association with Epstein will always taint him as the old saying goes show me your friends and I will show you who you are.
The very base of the issue; he showed poor judgment in his choice of friends, and then insisting upon remaining loyal. Those with poor judgment can hurt the "Firm", causing everyone else in the family to share in the fallout. Of course I could be wrong, but I see Andrew as arrogant, not-clever, and having poor judgment rather than having a moral code like Epstein's. I agree he will never work again. I don't think he wants to, anyway. He's kind of a lazy person who likes to do what he wants with his time.
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Quote from: sandy on January 10, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
Epstein was a fiend. And yes, Andrew's association with him is going to indeed taint him.
I am not so sure Andrew is innocent. But he certainly is going to be scrutinized whether or not he turns out to be innocent.
Absolutely.
The NY Post is saying now Andrew is the Queen's "support" during the crisis with the Sussexes, and is out in public with her. I think he's a big opportunist with no shame. They can talk in private but the outward support by the Queen for someone associated with one of the sleaziest people on the planet really makes me sick. He is probably bad mouthing his own nephew and she is said to be angrier with Harry and Meghan than with Andrew. This shows how weak the Queen truly is. He was kept away from the walk last Christmas but he is out and about escorting the Queen. This family really bothers me.
Quote from: sandy on January 20, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
The NY Post is saying now Andrew is the Queen's "support" during the crisis with the Sussexes, and is out in public with her. I think he's a big opportunist with no shame. They can talk in private but the outward support by the Queen for someone associated with one of the sleaziest people on the planet really makes me sick. He is probably bad mouthing his own nephew and she is said to be angrier with Harry and Meghan than with Andrew. This shows how weak the Queen truly is. He was kept away from the walk last Christmas but he is out and about escorting the Queen. This family really bothers me.
I agree he should lay low! I would probably check out the source of the news that she is angrier at Harry and Meghan than she is of him. For one thing, that would be an opinion rather than a fact, and I thought she made a real point of saying she loves them and is especially proud of Meghan. She isn't known to be insincere, and she actually said it, so you know it isn't fake news.
Update news
Prince Andrew gives 'zero cooperation' over Epstein inquiry, US prosecutor says - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51271871)
Prince Andrew has not responded to FBI requests for interview over Epstein, prosecutor says (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/27/prince-andrew-has-not-responded-fbi-requests-interview-epstein/)
Prince Andrew giving 'zero' cooperation to Epstein inquiry, say US prosecutors | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/27/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-us-prosecutors-fbi-seek-interview)
Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein: what you need to know | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/07/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-what-you-need-to-know)
Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell owe it to their accusers to appear in court | Gaby Hinsliff | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-owe-accusers-court-tv)
Prince Andrew accused of ?providing zero co-operation? in Jeffrey Epstein inquiry | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1234091/Prince-andrew-news-jeffrey-epstein-inquiry-latest)
Prince Andrew has provided 'zero cooperation' with Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking investigation, US prosecutor says - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-27/prince-andrew-has-provided-zero-cooperation-with-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-investigation-us-prosecutor-says/)
Prince Andrew 'has provided zero cooperation to FBI' over Jeffrey Epstein case - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-uncooperative-over-21372370)
Prince Andrew FAILED to help FBI after being asked for interview over Epstein (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10832298/prince-andrew-provides-zero-cooperation-after-fbi-ask-to-interview-him-over-epstein-links/)
Jeffrey Epstein investigation: Prince Andrew NOT cooperating | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7935023/Prince-Andrew-offers-cooperate-Jeffery-Epstein-investigation.html)
Palace's silence over the Jeffrey Epstein case is deafening, writes RICHARD KAY | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7935939/Palaces-silence-Jeffrey-Epstein-case-deafening-writes-RICHARD-KAY.html)
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Prince Andrew Has Given 'Zero Cooperation' in Epstein Inquiry | PEOPLE.com | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-has-provided-zero-cooperation-in-fbis-jeffrey-epstein-case-u-s-attorney/)
Prince Andrew has not cooperated with attempts to interview him about Jeffrey Epstein, US Attorney says - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/27/us/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew/index.html)
Who is Prince Andrew: Jeffrey Epstein-linked royal that has long made headlines - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-linked-royal-that-has-long-made-headlines-2019-11-15/)
I think the Queen is in denial about Andrew. The problems with Andrew are not going away.
An increase in Prince Andrew, Epstein, and Ghislaine articles today.
News clip last night said that he has been un-cooperative in the US investigation of Epstein's crimes.
The FBI wants to question Andrew. He was accused of not cooperating in all our news sources here.
Virginia Roberts says Prince Andrew is not above the law US attorney statement about cooperation | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7936463/Virginia-Roberts-says-Prince-Andrew-not-law-attorney-statement-cooperation.html)
Jeffrey Epstein Accusers Outraged Prince Andrew Zero Cooperation | PEOPLE.com | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/jeffrey-epstein-accusers-outraged-by-prince-andrews-zero-cooperation-with-fbi/)
I thought it would only get worse and it is.
Prince Andrew 'ignored' letter sent to his home from one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7939883/Prince-Andrew-ignored-letter-sent-home-one-Jeffrey-Epsteins-victims.html)
Prince Andrew tells pals he WILL talk to the FBI | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7940073/Prince-Andrew-tells-pals-talk-FBI.html)
PIERS MORGAN: Prince Andrew should face up to the FBI | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7939069/PIERS-MORGAN-Andrew-stop-hiding-mothers-skirts.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell begged royal friend to help her MARRY Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7940243/Ghislaine-Maxwell-begged-royal-friend-help-MARRY-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 'played bizarre pranks' on guests | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7937325/Jeffrey-Epstein-Ghislaine-Maxwell-played-bizarre-pranks-guests.html)
JAN MOIR: So much for the honour that Prince Andrew loved to boast about | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7940275/JAN-MOIR-honour-Prince-Andrew-loved-boast-about.html)
Lawyer for Epstein's victims suggested UK might send Prince Andrew if US extradited Anne Sacoolas | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7938613/Lawyer-Epsteins-victims-suggested-UK-send-Prince-Andrew-extradited-Anne-Sacoolas.html)
Jeffrey Epstein accusers outraged by Prince Andrew's 'lack of co-operation' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51277647)
Can Prince Andrew be forced to testify? - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51283976)
Prince Andrew 'going to have to answer questions' despite 'not cooperating', says lawyer for Epstein victims | US News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-going-to-have-to-answer-questions-despite-not-cooperating-says-lawyer-for-epstein-victims-11919755)
For Prince Andrew and Anne Sacoolas, the law is just an obstacle to navigate | Gaby Hinsliff | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/28/prince-andrew-anne-sacoolas-law-privileged-justice)
Prince Andrew told to 'stop playing games' over Epstein inquiry | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/28/prince-andrew-told-to-stop-playing-games-over-epstein-inquiry)
Prince Andrew ?bewildered? by FBI claim as ?he hasn?t been approached' over Epstein case | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1234755/prince-andrew-news-fbi-case-jeffrey-esptein-case-latest-update)
Prince Andrew news: Can Prince Andrew be forced to testify in Epstein case? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1234776/Prince-Andrew-news-jeffrey-epstein-case-can-Prince-Andrew-be-forced-to-testify-USA)
If he should testify in British royal family history he definitely toasted!!
Andrew ?angry at claims of zero cooperation in Epstein inquiry? - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-28/andrew-angry-at-claims-of-zero-cooperation-in-epstein-inquiry/)
Of course Andrew is going to ignore all this investigating as much and for as long as he possibly can. His mother has his back and nothing potentially embarrassing can ever happen to her baby boy!
Prince Andrew 'angry at FBI claims of zero cooperation with Epstein inquiry' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-angry-fbi-claims-21382110)
Scotland Yard must probe Prince Andrew, says former royal protection chief - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/scotland-yard-must-probe-prince-21381476)
Virginia Roberts says Prince Andrew's 'refusal to help Epstein probe raises questions' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/virginia-roberts-says-prince-andrews-21375557)
Prince Andrew seems not to be keeping promises over US Epstein investigations - Russell Myers - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-seems-not-keeping-21374181)
Prince Andrew 'has provided zero cooperation to FBI' over Jeffrey Epstein case - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-uncooperative-over-21372370)
Prince Andrew tells pals he WILL speak to FBI and is 'angry and bewildered' by claims he failed to co-operate (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10842517/prince-andrew-fbi-pals/)
Met Police closes in on Prince Andrew as it may re-open investigation into paedo pal Jeffrey Epstein ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10841995/met-reopen-probe-prince-andrew-pal-jeffrey-epstein/)
Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein ?pimp? Ghislaine Maxwell have a pact to save each other from jail, pal claims ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10832426/prince-andrew-and-epstein-pimp-ghislaine-maxwell-have-a-pact-to-save-each-other-from-jail-pal-claims/)
Epstein 'sex slave' lawyers threaten to subpoena Prince Andrew if he enters US (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10836487/epstein-sex-slave-lawyers-threaten-subpoena-prince-andrew-enters-us/)
Prince Andrew should be swapped for Harry Dunn suspect, says Jeffrey Epstein?s victims? lawyer ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10835359/prince-andrew-swap-harry-dunn/)
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Quote from: Curryong on January 29, 2020, 01:05:26 AM
Of course Andrew is going to ignore all this investigating as much and for as long as he possibly can. His mother has his back and nothing potentially embarrassing can ever happen to her baby boy!
I?m agreed with you,
@Curryong
There will probably another Churchgoing photo this weekend. The Queen won't face reality.
Met Police could reopen investigation into Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7941717/Met-Police-reopen-investigation-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)
Judge in Virginia Giuffre's suit against Ghislaine Maxwell asked to reconsider decision | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942817/Judge-Virginia-Giuffres-suit-against-Ghislaine-Maxwell-asked-reconsider-decision.html)
Woman sues Jeffrey Epstein's estate for $500million claiming he sexually abused her | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7943463/Woman-sues-Jeffrey-Epsteins-estate-500million-claiming-sexually-abused-her.html)
Billionaire Victoria's Secret boss Les Wexner, 82, may step down | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942893/Billionaire-Victorias-Secret-boss-Les-Wexner-82-step-down.html)
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Prince Andrew ?bewildered? by FBI claim as ?he hasn?t been approached' over Epstein case | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1234755/prince-andrew-news-fbi-case-jeffrey-esptein-case-latest-update)
Prince Andrew news: Can Prince Andrew be forced to testify in Epstein case? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1234776/Prince-Andrew-news-jeffrey-epstein-case-can-Prince-Andrew-be-forced-to-testify-USA)
Prince Andrew savaged for lack of cooperation on case - ?What is he trying to hide!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1234393/Prince-Andrew-Royal-news-Epstein-case-investigation-latest-Lisa-Bloom)
Prince Andrew told to give sworn testimony to help Jeffrey Epstein victims 'find peace' - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-29/prince-andrew-told-to-give-sworn-testimony-to-help-jeffrey-epstein-victims-find-peace/)
Prince Andrew could be ARRESTED if he returns to US as FBI desperate to probe 'relevant evidence' over Epstein scandal (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10845683/prince-andrew-could-be-arrested-if-returns-to-us/)
Prince Andrew tells pals he WILL speak to FBI and is 'angry and bewildered' by claims he failed to co-operate (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10842517/prince-andrew-fbi-pals/)
Andrew should just get on with it and cooperate and stop being "angry and bewildered." If the FBI said he failed to cooperate then he failed to cooperate. He needs to grow up and accept responsibility.
It's very confusing ''to date'' as Andrew's team states as a matter of fact that they haven't received any formal communication/request from the USA Feds or the Court and insist that Andrew is willing to collaborate once they DO receive the formal coms, rather than by media tit for tat.
Not defending but reading it all and stating here in the RIF what is new and about.
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Also the best way for the media to show factually is screen shot the FBI and/or Court warrant for Duke of York's presence, collaboration letter....
That way they can REALLY have him in the spot for the ''latest news'' development.
I tend to believe the FBI. I think Andrew and his "team" are stalling.
The FBI is under no obligation to "prove" they want Andrew to testify, particularly having to show the media.
I found this article answered many questions.
Can Prince Andrew be forced to testify? - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51283976)
Question #1
QuoteCan Prince Andrew be forced to co-operate with an investigation in the US?
There are two broad types of legal "investigations" involved.
Firstly, the criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI into Jeffrey Epstein.
Secondly, investigations being undertaken by lawyers acting for accusers of Jeffrey Epstein who are seeking compensation in civil claims against his estate.
Prince Andrew is not under any legal obligation to assist the FBI or lawyers representing Epstein's accusers.
However, under something known as "Mutual Legal Assistance" (MLA), both prosecutors and the lawyers acting for Epstein's accusers can issue a formal request for the prince to give evidence (known as a deposition) in the UK.
In relation to the criminal investigation, this would take place at a magistrates' court, almost certainly Westminster Magistrates Court, where it is customarily done.
Prince Andrew would be sworn in and asked questions. The hearing would take place before a judge in private. However, he could exercise his right against self-incrimination and choose not to answer.
In relation to the civil claims, there is a similar process. Again, a formal letter of request must be issued under MLA. The High Court would then appoint an examiner - either an experienced barrister or a "master", a judge who deals with procedural matters before a trial.
Prince Andrew would be required to attend a place and answer questions on oath in a private hearing. Questions would be put by lawyers representing Epstein's accusers, and Prince Andrew would be entitled to legal representation. Again, he could exercise his right against self-incrimination and not answer.
In both the civil and criminal proceedings, Prince Andrew could seek to have any formal MLA request set aside before he is deposed, on the grounds that he has no relevant or material evidence to give.[/quote]
Question #2
QuoteWill 'depositions' happen?
If it happens, it is all some way off in the future. Statements by US prosecutor Geoffrey Berman and lawyers for Epstein's accusers are putting moral pressure on Prince Andrew to co-operate.
That co-operation could be provided by the prince informally by agreement. This is something that his lawyers are likely to be seriously considering now.
It is significant that neither US prosecutors nor lawyers for Epstein's accusers have yet issued MLA requests, so there is the opportunity for the prince to co-operate informally.
Question #3.
QuoteWhat if a subpoena is issued in the United States?
A subpoena is an order to compel someone to appear in court or to submit evidence.
If that happens, there is no obligation for Prince Andrew to go to the US and submit to the subpoena.
If he did travel to the US and there is an outstanding subpoena, he could in theory be arrested for contempt of court and taken to a court to answer questions.
It is obviously highly unlikely that he would be arrested. It would be more likely that he would simply be required to go to court and answer questions. Once in court the Prince could exercise his right against self-incrimination and refuse to answer questions.
Daniel Sternberg, a barrister specialising in extradition law at Temple Garden Chambers in London, said: "It is important to remember that Prince Andrew has not been charged with any offence in the US. The FBI is investigating whether he has material evidence that could assist in its criminal investigation of alleged sex trafficking.
"In the civil case brought by Epstein's victims, the close friendship between the Prince and Epstein means that the lawyers for Epstein's victims believe his evidence may be relevant to their claims.
"While there is no way to compel Prince Andrew to give evidence in the UK or the US in either the civil or criminal case, his failure to do so does not sit well with his previous public statements that he would help any appropriate law enforcement agency with its inquiries."
However the legal process develops, Prince Andrew's discomfort is likely to increase
Prince Andrew's war of words with FBI: US prosecutors insist they HAVE tried to contact him | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7944473/Prince-Andrews-war-words-FBI-prosecutors-insist-tried-contact-him.html)
Queen and Prince Charles hold 'emergency meeting' to discus Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7945537/Queen-Prince-Charles-hold-emergency-meeting-discus-Prince-Andrew.html)
Prince Andrew accused of 'stonewalling' by Epstein victim's lawyer, after ignoring letter urging him to speak to the FBI (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/29/prince-andrew-accused-stonewalling-epstein-victims-lawyer-ignoring/)
Queen and Prince Charles hold emergency meeting to discuss scandal-hit Prince Andrew ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10851264/queen-prince-charles-emergency-meeting-prince-andrew/)
Speak to the FBI Andy. If you have nothing to hide, no need to worry, right? ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10850980/rod-liddle-andy-speak-to-fbi/)
Richard Palmer
@RoyalReporter
Jan 29
Prince Andrew hits back. It?s hard to get to the bottom of this. The truth is that two sets of lawyers are arguing over the conditions for an interview and no formal request has been made yet.
He is in no position to "hit back." Andrew should seek counseling and therapy.
And yet his lawyers speak in behalf by 'hitting back'.
Not that he should be defended, but the latest is his people are waiting for an official request.
The media took the victims lawyers microphone to media as ''official''. It needs to come in stationary paper with the victims lawyers firm blue signature, blue seal. Same with the USA government arm, FBI.
Andrew made himself clear in that interview.
Yes he did say in his interview that he wants to collaborate, hence his lawyers are waiting for an official in paper request. A tape recorded microphone to media is not official and can't be filed in their or the victims lawyers or the FBI file.
Of course I'd like him to collaborate and testify to both parties; the victims lawyers and the FBI. Or subpoena as a witness, this also comes in paper as being 'served' (envelope with the notice)
Lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein's victims says Prince Andrew 'can only run for so long' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7946755/Lawyer-Jeffrey-Epsteins-victims-says-Prince-Andrew-run-long.html)
'He's an idiot but NOT a paedophile': Prince Andrew's cousin Christina Oxenberg defends him | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947589/Hes-idiot-NOT-paedophile-Prince-Andrews-cousin-Christina-Oxenberg-defends-him.html)
Quote from: sandy on January 30, 2020, 02:45:23 PM
He is in no position to "hit back." Andrew should seek counseling and therapy.
why? Because the FBI haven't communicated with his lawyers?
Andrew is stalling, he knows what he should be doing. I see no excuses for him.
Quote from: sandy on January 30, 2020, 05:27:51 PM
Andrew is stalling, he knows what he should be doing. I see no excuses for him.
he's not going to answer questions till his lawyers get a formal request.
Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles Meet About Prince Andrew | PEOPLE.com | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/are-queen-elizabeth-and-prince-charles-in-crisis-talks-over-prince-andrews-epstein-scandal/)
Quote from: wannable on January 30, 2020, 03:50:29 PM
Yes he did say in his interview that he wants to collaborate, hence his lawyers are waiting for an official in paper request. A tape recorded microphone to media is not official and can't be filed in their or the victims lawyers or the FBI file.
Of course I'd like him to collaborate and testify to both parties; the victims lawyers and the FBI. Or subpoena as a witness, this also comes in paper as being 'served' (envelope with the notice)
Yes and like you
@wannable I would like to see Prince Andrew collaborate and testify, but IMHO for the sake of avoiding any legal errors, this needs to be handled in a manner that will ensure no loopholes.
QuoteHowever, under something known as "Mutual Legal Assistance" (MLA), both prosecutors and the lawyers acting for Epstein's accusers can issue a formal request for the prince to give evidence (known as a deposition) in the UK.
In relation to the criminal investigation, this would take place at a magistrates' court, almost certainly Westminster Magistrates Court, where it is customarily done.
Prince Andrew would be sworn in and asked questions. The hearing would take place before a judge in private. However, he could exercise his right against self-incrimination and choose not to answer.
In relation to the civil claims, there is a similar process. Again, a formal letter of request must be issued under MLA. The High Court would then appoint an examiner - either an experienced barrister or a "master", a judge who deals with procedural matters before a trial.
Prince Andrew would be required to attend a place and answer questions on oath in a private hearing. Questions would be put by lawyers representing Epstein's accusers, and Prince Andrew would be entitled to legal representation. Again, he could exercise his right against self-incrimination and not answer.
In both the civil and criminal proceedings, Prince Andrew could seek to have any formal MLA request set aside before he is deposed, on the grounds that he has no relevant or material evidence to give.[
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The BBC is nominated for their interview with Prince Andrew.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1222833935501099017)
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QuoteWe?ve been nominated for Scoop of the Year for our interview with Prince Andrew on his links to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
The interview made headlines around the world.
Obvously he should cooperate but I doubt if he'll come out with anyting helpful. IMO he's likely to not remember things because he doesn't notice anyone outside his own circle...
I doubt Andrew's sex life is that thrilling that he is unable to remember having sex with a young girl he wanted to sleep with in London, following previous adventures in Florida and on Epstein's island. The sort of amnesia Andrew professes would be called 'convenient' in anyone less than a monarch's favourite son.
Quote from: Curryong on January 31, 2020, 09:23:02 AM
I doubt Andrew's sex life is that thrilling that he is unable to remember having sex with a young girl he wanted to sleep with in London, following previous adventures in Florida and on Epstein's island. The sort of amnesia Andrew professes would be called 'convenient' in anyone less than a monarch's favourite son.
I'd say that Andrew has had a very busy sex life..so he probably doesn't remember the details very well.. added to which I think he clearly doesn't notice people who are "just there" to serve him or his friends. It may be conveneitn but I am not sure if it will result in anything helpful.
Andrew clearly remembers Ghislaine Maxwell. In fact he stated in that notorious interview that she had been his friend for years and he had met Epstein through her. She had been to BP and Royal Lodge etc and it was her house in which Virgina and he had been photographed. As he (and Fergie) had such a long acquaintance with Ghislaine the procurer she was clearly in his circle. I'm sure he could dredge a few salient details about her from his dodgy memory if he really tried. :hehe:
Quote from: QueenAlex on January 31, 2020, 08:59:43 AM
Obvously he should cooperate but I doubt if he'll come out with anyting helpful. IMO he's likely to not remember things because he doesn't notice anyone outside his own circle...
What kind of cooperation may he do with both the FBI and the Victims? Both parties have to make carefully crafted questions that MAY be ENTERED into the file.
Quote from: QueenAlex on January 31, 2020, 09:26:54 AM
I'd say that Andrew has had a very busy sex life..so he probably doesn't remember the details very well.. added to which I think he clearly doesn't notice people who are "just there" to serve him or his friends. It may be conveneitn but I am not sure if it will result in anything helpful.
Andrew's "sex life" in the charges against him were with underage girls.
Quote from: sandy on January 31, 2020, 01:38:26 PM
Andrew's "sex life" in the charges against him were with underage girls.
What charges? I didn't know that he had been charged. I thought taht he was agreeing to speak to the FBI to add to any information they had about the Epstein case.
Read up on the case.
He is accused of having sex with underage girls. He associated with one of the most sleazy people who walked on the planet.
Quote from: sandy on January 31, 2020, 01:45:02 PM
Read up on the case.
He is accused of having sex with underage girls. He associated with one of the most sleazy people who walked on the planet.
yes he has associated with Epstein, but I did not know of his beign charged with anything. My understanding was that he'd agreed to answer questions from the FBI to add to their knowledge.
His alleged victim is very vocal and yes she accused him. And others have complained about him. He will get away with it if guilty and if the Queen lets him keep the HRH, she will get even more criticized than she has already been.
And they don't have the proof, hence the microphone on media, it's a tactic to see if Andrew falls into the trap of talking, hence his lawyers/machinery.
Hence also my comment on carefully crafted questions.
Accusations may fly, but without solid proof, it will fall in a court of law.
Disclaimer: Just being realistic.
So he'll get away with it, never mind the victims.
But he is not charged with any kind of sexual offences as far as I know. He Is agreeing to talk about what he saw around Epstein nad Maxwell..
Yes, he's "innocent" and the picture was faked. Yeah right.
I don't think the photo is fake, but they aren't naked to ''prove'' a point. The court will require Andrew to ADMIT or a video of them naked, which would be considered enough proof, accepted to be entered/sustained.
Andrew's own interview made things a lot worse. There will be a backlash if there is evidence and he gets away with it.
Quote from: sandy on January 31, 2020, 01:48:12 PM
His alleged victim is very vocal and yes she accused him. And others have complained about him. He will get away with it if guilty and if the Queen lets him keep the HRH, she will get even more criticized than she has already been.
I agree with you however keep in mind that Prince Andrew has not been formally charged with any crime.
Quote@wannable Accusations may fly, but without solid proof, it will fall in a court of law
Yes this is absolutely true.
@sandy-As far as I can tell, no one in this thread is supporting Prince Andrew's behavior. We're just pointing out that to date he's not been formally charged with any crime in the U.S., the UK or any other country. Now the reaction to his ill advised interview was enough of a revelation to the public and his patronages/charities to convince him that he needed to stop performing public duties. However it is possible that Prince Andrew will never be formally charged with a crime.
His backside should be hauled over to the US to answer questions. IMO it's disgraceful that he hasn't already.
Using Anne Sacoolas and that situation as a *dead cat* is disgusting.
Both issues are extremely delicate; one accused of pedophile, the other with CCTV killed a minor.
^ Exactly. Both should be hauled to account for their alleged actions. Not used as bargaining tools.
The Foreign Office apparently denied an exchange is being used.
Virginia Roberts calls on Prince Andrew to 'do the right thing for Epstein victims' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951905/Virginia-Roberts-calls-Prince-Andrew-right-thing-Epstein-victims.html)
Andrew should come clean and cooperate with the investigation in the US. He must have much to hide and perhaps fears prosecution if he tells what he knows. He could make a deal for leniency if he tells the truth/testifies.
Quote from: Blue Clover on February 01, 2020, 06:00:04 AM
Andrew should come clean and cooperate with the investigation in the US. He must have much to hide and perhaps fears prosecution if he tells what he knows. He could make a deal for leniency if he tells the truth/testifies.
I doubt if Andrew is fearing prosecution as it seems that all they want is to ask him what he knows. But he's hardly going to talk to the FBI without an official request to his lawyers.
Quote from: Curryong on January 31, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
Andrew clearly remembers Ghislaine Maxwell. In fact he stated in that notorious interview that she had been his friend for years and he had met Epstein through her. She had been to BP and Royal Lodge etc and it was her house in which Virgina and he had been photographed. As he (and Fergie) had such a long acquaintance with Ghislaine the procurer she was clearly in his circle. I'm sure he could dredge a few salient details about her from his dodgy memory if he really tried. :hehe:
At least they may have discussed his inability to sweat?
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