QuoteThe couple are expected to move into the Palace within weeks, ahead of their 11-day tour Canada and California from June 30.
St James's Palace confirmed that the couple will move into a "small" apartment at the Palace, which is also home to a number of other Royals.
The move will be temporary, as the couple are believed to want a larger London residence in the long term, in order to have the necessary space to begin a family and to entertain.
In the run-up to their wedding in April, the Duke and Duchess shared living quarters with Prince Harry at Clarence House, the official London residence of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall.
A spokesman for St James's Palace, said: "The couple's official London residence will temporarily become a property at Kensington Palace.
"A number of options for longer-term solutions are still being considered. The couple's main home will continue to be their house on Anglesey, and their Household Office will continue to be based at St James's Palace.
"The property in question at Kensington Palace into which the couple are temporarily moving is small.
"While it more than suffices for occasional visits to London for now, and the Royal couple are very grateful for it, the Duke and Duchess are considering options for a more permanent official London residence. No suitable properties are currently available."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/8556640/Prince-William-and-Kate-to-move-into-Dianas-former-home.html
Well considering they'd need security, privacy from paps and probably are not all that keen on living with a brother, parents, or grandparents - they probably made the better choice.
Oh for god's sake, they'd be better off stayong with where they are. Entertaining can be done any time at their LEISURE!
Quote from: Lindelle on June 05, 2011, 08:21:38 AM
Oh for god's sake, they'd be better off stayong with where they are. Entertaining can be done any time at their LEISURE!
Staying where they are? Do you mean Anglesey, where PW works well into 2013? Or should they bunk with Harry? How about with dear old Dad and his current wife??
And, in case you missed the bolded part of the OP (quoted below) it appears that they don't plan to do much, if any, entertaining at the new flat anyway.
Quote
The move will be temporary, as the couple are believed to want a larger London residence in the long term, in order to have the necessary space to begin a family and to entertain.
I think this makes a lot of sense because the security and everything is there. It seems like the perfect place for me. I've been there.
If it wasn't Kensington; what other places could they live? Seeing as how these buildings are so big, I wonder why everyone just doesn't have their own little section at BP, KP, CH, SJP etc.
Those are all fully working palaces, and therefore it is not all 'residential' hence why there is actually very little living space.
Royal newlyweds to move to palace
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13663507
A Kensington Palace 'starter home' for Wills and his bride where the Prince once lived with his mother Diana
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394660/William-Kate-Kensington-Palace-starter-home.html
Prince William and Kate to move into Diana's former home
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/8556640/Prince-William-and-Kate-to-move-into-Dianas-former-home.html
Wills And Kate To Move Into Kensington Palace
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Royal-Wedding/Video-Prince-William-and-Kate-Middleton-To-Move-Into-Kensington-Palace-In-Coming-Weeks/Article/201106116006167?lpos=Royal_Wedding_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_16006167_Video%2C_Prince_William_and_Kate_Middleton_To_Move_Into_Kensington_Palace_In_Coming_Weeks
For a couple who have been said to look desperatelly fot a nomal and wuite life i think thats a very weird and contraditory decision...
but anyway...at least now kate can smile without being acused of enjoying the attention...now shes gonna have to smile actually...
i just hope se deals well with the hole attention shes gonna get!!!!
The famill is definatelly about to make wills and kate theyre new marketing weapon...
it was actually expected!!!!
Just goes totally agaisnt the prime idea they tryed to keep for all the earlly years that they were low profile and wanted peace and quiet life...
coz as long as there some law protection as theyve always had...i believe the last thing theyre gonna have is peace!!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/06/william-kate-kensington-palace_n_871653.html
I am told that the Commonwealth Secretariat are quitting Marlborough House, near St James's Palace, and that William and Kate will move in here. Last used as a royal residence by the Queen's grandmother Queen Mary, who died there in 1953.
Kensington Palace is not one big palace like Buckingham Palace. It is a group of separate buildings in one place. They are not interconnected, but might share courtyards. Their apartment won't take up many rooms as I understand it and is a good solution for a private place to stay while in London.
Quote from: fawbert on June 06, 2011, 12:47:50 PM
I am told that the Commonwealth Secretariat are quitting Marlborough House, near St James's Palace, and that William and Kate will move in here. Last used as a royal residence by the Queen's grandmother Queen Mary, who died there in 1953.
That's a grand mansion ^.
Rebecca English, Daily Mail in reference to the temporary move KP, London
QuoteWhen the couple got the builders in to add a few basic mod-cons, they discovered that the apartment in the 17th century palace was riddled with asbestos and had wiring so ancient that it was considered too dangerous to inhabit.
Until now William and Kate have been living in the Clarence House apartment that the prince shares with his younger brother, Prince Harry, when in London.
Although the three get on brilliantly the arrangement was not ideal for the couple. On one occasion Kate opened the door to Harry's bedroom and found his close friend, Astrid Harbord, passed out on his bed after a particularly raucous night out.
Initially, however, there was not an obvious place for the couple to move into.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394660/Prince-William-Kate-Middleton-Kensington-Palace-starter-home.html#ixzz1OVL9anVA
Marlborough House!! Oh that would be grand - a new "Marlborough House Set" in the making?
I thought they were going to get married and then live a quiet life in Anglesey - for 2 years at least - well that was the spin we were given - oh so down to earth. Now it's a palace, albeit an apartment in a palace - but grand all the same - for two, with no children. When they have to be in London, why not stay at BP or CH - or indeed the Goring Hotel. I've been duped :wait:
^Yes (Anglesey) and it also has been reported that they would be having living quarters in London. I think there has been various explanations of BP and CH. The Goring would be an extra expense?!
Quote from: missbliss on June 06, 2011, 04:58:43 PM
Marlborough House!! Oh that would be grand - a new "Marlborough House Set" in the making?
A 360 virtual tour of MH. Beautiful!
http://resources.thecommonwealth.org/mhouse/index.html
Seeing as how William has essentially 2 jobs, it is not uncommon for them to live somewhere in London where they can be protected KP, while still living in Anglesey. See there's this thing rich people do where they have more than one living establishment.
Of course they would have a London establishment! Where would they be expected to stay when they came to London for Trooping of the Colors etc. etc. These people are ROYALTY! (Isn't that why we're reading and commenting on them?) :laugh:
And thanks so much for the Marlborough House in 360! I was quite obsessed by the original Duke and Duchess of Marlborough and Queen Anne's court when I was younger. How wonderful if the place went back to being a royal residence. (And how typical of England that so many of the royal residences began as private ones - like Buckingham Palace and Hampton Court!)
Quote from: wannabe on June 06, 2011, 05:15:41 PM
^Yes (Anglesey) and it also has been reported that they would be having living quarters in London. I think there has been various explanations of BP and CH. The Goring would be an extra expense?!
Yes, I've read the explanations, but they do not wash with me, I'm afraid, two grown adults with no children - they could just have a bedroom and bathroom, thought William wanted to make it a lot less stuffy and was down to earth. Staying at the Goring would be preferable and cheaper, than the staff at BP, CH, or KP that would have to be there in-situ consistently, should they decide to make a visit. They like us mere mortals would have to make arrangements. Just like a holiday.
Quote from: missbliss on June 06, 2011, 05:25:21 PM
Of course they would have a London establishment! Where would they be expected to stay when they came to London for Trooping of the Colors etc. etc. These people are ROYALTY! (Isn't that why we're reading and commenting on them?) :laugh:
Oh yes, they are ROYALTY = I forgot
Don't forget we were told that after the wedding the would both return to William's base.
There are staff in-situ in those palaces.
Quote from: wannabe on June 06, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
There are staff in-situ in those palaces.
Yes but they are looking after the current residents - rightly or wrongly, that means extra staff, expense and indeed fuss. Don't tell me that CH did not have extra rooms to accommodate them :)
What the press indicated about all of the above?!
SophieC, you have issues with anything/everything W&K :happy15: - I love it :P :angel:
Quote from: wannabe on June 06, 2011, 05:36:13 PM
What the press indicated about all of the above?!
Just after the engagement annoucement, it was reported on Sky news and BBC news (both had running banners) that they would marry - at that time the date was not known), and then after marriage, return to live in Anglesey - SKY 501 = BBC 503. I'm giving my opinion on what I read/saw/heard - that's all. Maybe you heard different?
Quote from: wannabe on June 06, 2011, 05:36:13 PM
SophieC, you have issues with anything/everything W&K :happy15: - I love it :P :angel:
:thumbsup: Good, bad or indeed indifferent . Some would maybe like me to crawl into a corner and shut-up, but I won't :fireworks:
There is nothing wrong with them living or whatever at Kensington, I honestly wouldn't expect anything else from them. They have to live somewhere when they are staying in London.
Quote from: XeniaCasaraghi on June 06, 2011, 05:57:35 PM
There is nothing wrong with them living or whatever at Kensington, I honestly wouldn't expect anything else from them. They have to live somewhere when they are staying in London.
That's fine - but I thought William was meant to be different, but only when it suits him, he wants all the trappings that go with being royal, but wants to be 'normal' at the same time. Why not give up the security and back up range rovers for a start - just an idea :shrug: - He can't have it both ways :nono:
Well Kate likes shopping and she is a shopaholic if the last eight years are anything to go by. William is a party animal so Bijous beckons and Kensington Palace is central so let's carry on as before.... Well let's wait and see.
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 06, 2011, 06:13:06 PM
That's fine - but I thought William was meant to be different, but only when it suits him, he wants all the trappings that go with being royal, but wants to be 'normal' at the same time. Why not give up the security and back up range rovers for a start - just an idea :shrug: - He can't have it both ways :nono:
He can't... and for all intents and purposes, it seems he's resigned himself to being "royal". I haven't heard him remark that he wished he were "normal" since his Eton days.
Quote from: Princess Pea on June 06, 2011, 06:34:56 PM
Well Kate likes shopping and she is a shopaholic if the last eight years are anything to go by. William is a party animal so Bijous beckons and Kensington Palace is central so let's carry on as before.... Well let's wait and see.
Exactly!
Quote from: Jenee on June 06, 2011, 06:40:27 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 06, 2011, 06:13:06 PM
That's fine - but I thought William was meant to be different, but only when it suits him, he wants all the trappings that go with being royal, but wants to be 'normal' at the same time. Why not give up the security and back up range rovers for a start - just an idea :shrug: - He can't have it both ways :nono:
He can't... and for all intents and purposes, it seems he's resigned himself to being "royal". I haven't heard him remark that he wished he were "normal" since his Eton days.
He wants all the privilege of royal life, but - for now, none of the responsibility - or at least the minimum he can get away with - but look at the payback.
Hmm, I guess I disagree that he's trying to get away with minimal duties. He has a full-time job with the military and I think that he takes on a respectable number of royal engagements on top of that. Kate, however, does not work, and should be out and about more, working with other senior members of the royal family.
^I'm sorry to disagree again, but a "full-time job" is stretching it slightly! But I agree with your point regarding Kate :hug:
William & Catherine are not average normal people. They will not live like avg normal people live. Until the UK decides differently they are royalty & will live like royalty. William has lived in palaces his whole life. Why would it be any different now that he's married :shrug:? I think he & Catherine will try to modernize certain aspects of the monarchy but at the end of the day they are still royalty and will live and act like that. And they may not do 300 or 400 engagements right now but in few years they'll be full time royals just like the Queen and Charles and Camilla.
Quote from: crownjewel on June 06, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
William has lived in palaces his whole life. Why would it be any different now that he's married :shrug:? I think he & Catherine will try to modernize certain aspects of the monarchy but at the end of the day they are still royalty and will live and act like that.
No, he has not lived in palaces his
whole life. I hope he will eventually modernise the RF - but Kate will just go along with his plans - she, at the end of the day as NO say. William believe it or not, is not the 'second coming' = hells bells, he is just as spoilt as his father - let's get real here please.
Good gracious, this is going to come off incredibly b---y, but get off their freakin backs! Both William and Harry are doing more with their lives than I have seen a lot of royals do. The fact that they essentially have two jobs I feel shows that they are a modernized version of royalty and are not just sitting around in palaces doing nothing. It really seems that this family can not get a break; William has a long time to wait before he is king so he goes out and finds a career of his own and people still find something to complain about. So W*K are going to live at KP; who cares! Whether you like it or not, they are royalty and royalty tend to live in a palace. It was said that it was only going to be their home in London for crying out loud; it's not like they are hiring a bunch of people from Anglesy to build them a Gone With The Wind type mansion.
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 06, 2011, 08:10:56 PM
^I'm sorry to disagree again, but a "full-time job" is stretching it slightly! But I agree with your point regarding Kate :hug:
I don't know his schedule, so can't express an opinion as to whether it's "full-time" or not, but it is an important and often dangerous job:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110307/en_ac/8009128_facts_about_anglesey_airport_prince_williams_duty_station
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 06, 2011, 05:12:32 PM
I thought they were going to get married and then live a quiet life in Anglesey - for 2 years at least - well that was the spin we were given - oh so down to earth. Now it's a palace, albeit an apartment in a palace - but grand all the same - for two, with no children. When they have to be in London, why not stay at BP or CH - or indeed the Goring Hotel. I've been duped :wait:
You really have been duped in a way. It was said that William and Kate would live in Anglesey, and the assumption was that because they would live there, they would stay there and that they (she) would make no appearances for two years. But now it's said they'll be in London, and in all probability (though this was not blatantly reported) be doing some sort of charity appearances ... much to our surprise. Except that it shouldn't be a surprise at all since long ago, it was reported that the Queen had offered them rooms in Buckingham Palace, so we knew that they would be staying in London at times. I believe we talked about how they wouldn't exactly like living with William's grandmother. That, too, is in one of the William and Kate threads from long ago. William and Kate will obviously be visiting London from time to time, and they could either stay in a hotel and live out of a suitcase and incur extra expense for whatever length of time they stay ... or they could stay in someplace owned by the Royals, someplace that's empty and available. If I were paying the bills, I know which one I would choose.
We talk about William wanting to tone down the monarchy, but in the first place, even if he wanted to tone down drastically, he can't do anything until he becomes King. He's not even first in line to the throne. In the second place, what we consider "toning down" (or whatever we want to call it) is not the same as what he might consider "toning down". It's true, the rich are different. Their definitions often don't match our definitions, but that doesn't mean that they aren't sincere, and it doesn't mean that
in their world they
are toning down.
Sophiechloe ... :hug:
Cindy
QuoteBoth William and Harry are doing more with their lives than I have seen a lot of royals do. The fact that they essentially have two jobs I feel shows that they are a modernized version of royalty and are not just sitting around in palaces doing nothing
Are you talking about their Military careers?... IF yes ... 1 QUESTION:
Since when Royals be Military is a
modernized version of royalty? :blank: :huh2: :blank: :unsure:
Quote from: CanRoyal on June 06, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 06, 2011, 08:10:56 PM
^I'm sorry to disagree again, but a "full-time job" is stretching it slightly! But I agree with your point regarding Kate :hug:
I don't know his schedule, so can't express an opinion as to whether it's "full-time" or not, but it is an important and often dangerous job:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110307/en_ac/8009128_facts_about_anglesey_airport_prince_williams_duty_station
Prince William is a full time RAF/SARF.
Quote from: Princess Pea on June 06, 2011, 06:34:56 PM
Well Kate likes shopping and she is a shopaholic if the last eight years are anything to go by. William is a party animal so Bijous beckons and Kensington Palace is central so let's carry on as before.... Well let's wait and see.
:flower: I'm sorry PrincessPea, but that information is four years out of date.
Wills stopped doing all of the frequent clubbing/party animal stuff in 2007. In 2008 Wills starting clubbing a whole lot less, sometimes to the point where he wasn't snapped by the paps out at clubs for months at a time. Sometimes he would go to private parties with friends, but he wasn't doing all of the frequent clubbing and partying that he used to do in 2005 and 2006.
By the same token, up until the official engagement announcement, Kate hadn't been seen out shopping regularly since August of 2007. During August 2007 Kate stopped being seen out and about all the time; she wasn't out shopping or doing anything else, and people even started commenting that pics of Kate were becoming scarce and infrequent. Fast forward to 2011, and Kate was seen out and about a few times prior to the wedding, but her public appearances were still infrequent.
Basically, the old ideas about Wills clubbing all time and Kate shopping all the time became invalid almost four years ago.
As for Wills and his military duty: Paddy Harverson, Prince Charles' communications secretary, spoke with the BBC about that. Paddy was quoted as saying "The most important thing to remember is that he's (William) not heir to the throne," "he's second in line, and he's not a full-time royal, he's a full-time pilot working a normal job for the RAF search and rescue. Here's the full article, scroll down to 'Striking the balance' :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13246783
Ever since he started his job in September, Wills has worked just as many shifts as his non-royal co-workers. Here are a few facts to go along with the article:
As of 14 April 2011 Prince William had carried out 12 operational search and rescue missions since becoming Co-Pilot of a Sea King Mk3 helicopter in September 2010. As part of a four-person crew, by 14 August 2011 Wills had completed around 35 operational SAR standby shifts at RAF Valley, working eight to ten 24-hour shifts per month. Each 24-hour shift is followed by a second day of being on standby to complete tasking, airtests and so on while maintaining a 1 hour readiness alert.
Wills and the other crewman are also required to do a minimum of 6-10 weeks per year on the Falklands Island rotational roster, and RAF Valley has to be available for short notice Out of Area detatchments to Ireland. During a 24-hour shift, if there are no emergencies Wills sleeps in the ready room along with the other three members of his crew. Wills has worked all of the days and hours he is supposed to work each month without asking for, or being given, any exceptions. Some links to info about it:
http://www.tips4jobs.co.uk/job-bank/outdoors/search-and-rescue-helicopter-pilot.php
http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Flying-Prince-faces-working-24-hour-shifts-rescuing-people-helicopter/article-604894-detail/article.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7098999.ece
ALL search and rescue crews have the exact same schedules and the exact same amount of time off:
Six weeks' paid holiday, plus the eight public holidays. A link to the RAF pay and benefits page, which tells the paid holiday of all RAF personnel: http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/whatweoffer/payandbenefits.cfm
More articles about Wills work in the RAF SARF:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/royal-wedding/latest-royal-wedding-news/2011/04/01/prince-william-reveals-pre-wedding-nerves-91466-28441450/
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/news/hm_the_queen_and_the_duke_of_edinburgh_visit_prince_william__1301200236.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/royal-wedding-video/8420607/Prince-William-My-knees-were-knocking-at-Royal-wedding-rehearsal.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=135402429
:thumbsup: Hopefully this correct information will remove the idea anyone might have that Wills doesn't work full-time the way he's supposed to as an active duty member of the military.
Great Post MapleLeaf! :thumbsup: Thank you for taking the time to write it out!
QuoteThe royal couple do manage fine when in Anglesey, where William is based as an RAF rescue pilot.
But, as the Irish Daily Mirror revealed yesterday, they are about to take an apartment at Kensington Palace in London for when they need to be in the British capital.
Notices have now gone up at Buckingham Palace asking staff to apply for jobs as their housekeeper, butler, valet and dresser to help as they juggle engagements.
The source said: "The whole place is buzzing with excitement. Lots of people will want these prestigious jobs. The royals always like to promote existing staff rather than bring in people from outside.
"This is a golden opportunity for someone to be in at the beginning of William and Kate's working and domestic lives."
William, 27, is likely to have realised how useful a valet might be on Saturday when went straight from rehearsal for the Trooping the Colour ceremony in central London to the Derby race at Epsom Downs, Surrey. The insider said: "He needed to change from his Guards uniform with a bearskin into a top hat and tails for the racing.
"There is so much to remember if you don't have a valet to look after you. They will also need a butler for when they entertain."
Kate will be keen to find an excellent dresser because she is already a fashion icon whose outfits are studied and commented on around the world. Applicants for the job will have to be friendly and patient as well as being good at the job.
The source said: "They will need to get on with the Duchess on a personal level and help her along the way, while not becoming too familiar. It's quite a balancing act."
Kate, 29, will personally interview the applicants and will hope to appoint someone before she and William fly out to Canada on June 30 to begin their first official overseas trip.
Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/06/07/kate-middleton-and-prince-william-advertise-for-servants-115875-23184422/#ixzz1OY3XOIV7
:thumbsup: More evidence that they are talking things over & making decisions together & starting as they mean to go on.
Interesting how the staff are reported to be excited about being chosen to work for Wills and Catherine. Of course, in turn, those existing staff that are chosen will need to be replaced, so the net result is more jobs. Any renovations required to the apartment they are to be occupying will also result in more employment.
Quote from: CanRoyal on June 07, 2011, 12:59:09 AM
Great Post MapleLeaf! :thumbsup: Thank you for taking the time to write it out!
:blush: :flower: Thanks for the compliment CanRoyal, and you're welcome! And thanks for the article link wannabe, it was an interesting read. :thumbsup: I'm glad the article stated very clearly that Wills and Kate 'do manage fine' in Anglesey, and that the staff they're hiring are for the Kensington Palace apartment.
That points out that Wills and Kate meant what they said about not hiring staff for their home in Anglesey, but they can't get around such a thing in a London palace. I'd bet that at this point they're really happy they have the farmhouse in Anglesey to live in on a regular basis, so that they can get away from the lifestyle they have to live in London.
Haven't they been living in Anglesy for 3yrs? Of course they would manage fine, they've been doing it long before they got married.
To date 1 year, 4 months.
Prince William was transferred to RAF Valley on Anglesey to start his 'conversion course' as a search and rescue pilot end January 2010, he graduated as a fully operational pilot September 2010.
Previously he was stationed in RAF Shawbury in Shropshire, where he graduated from a 12-month advanced helicopter training course, mid January 2010. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSjb_4tUrxM
Indeed it is impossible to do away without a skeleton staff in a London palace. Many royal correspondents have pointed that out in interviews. Previous reports of them going servantless in Anglesey remains unchanged. I just hope the media straightens up their stories. Must be an exciting time for the couple... Setting up their first royal household...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000005/Jobs-Jeeves-Kate-Wills-advertise-royal-servants-new-London-flat.html
QuoteThe newlyweds are looking for a housekeeper, butler, valet and dresser to assist them when staying at their new London apartment at Kensington Palace.
Have I woken up in a different century? Didn't take them long did it.
http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/251191/Vanessa-Feltz
Well which is it - this contradicts the DM story :shrug:.
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 07, 2011, 09:51:23 AM
Have I woken up in a different century? Didn't take them long did it.
Didn't take long to do what? It has always been reported that William & Kate would try not to take on extra staff IN Anglesey, not London. And it's naive to think they can do without the skeleton staff while in London, running a household in a palace and doing official engagements. Nothing has changed.
Millions around the world manage it - but it's usually called working. Or is it cause their royal.
she has a long ways to go in my book to become a fashion ICON
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 07, 2011, 11:47:55 AM
Millions around the world manage it - but it's usually called working. Or is it cause their royal.
Maybe it is because they're royal, but that's the way the world works. This is not a "one-for-me, one-for-you" world. There's them that has, and them that don't. Many governments have tried the equal status/equal wealth system and it just doesn't work. However much better off they are in their lives than we are in ours, keep in mind that we are much better off in our lives than those millions who live in abject poverty. We could demand that the Royals all the world over give their wealth to these starving people, but if we do that, we must be ready to give whatever we have, as well.
Cindy
I think we have a different idea of working as the Royals do it. We see them all dressed up and perky at events, but don't know how early they got up to travel to that location and all they did to prepare for the visit before they got there. They are briefed on who they will meet so they will have an idea of what questions to ask, etc. It is called "homework".
None of these personal appearances are really necessary, but a hold-over from WWII when the Queen and King made many visits to help keep up the morale of the people.
I don't think they put in as many hours that we think of as a regular job, but I think it averages out. Some do a lot more than others.
Kate hasn't had much of a chance to do any official things alone. How many of you as a young married woman jumped into all sorts of activities connected with your husband's job?
i wonder how long it will be before people criticize her for her lack of work-ethic...and not give excuses.
^^ Hopefully, that won't happen. She hasn't shown a lack of work ethic yet, certainly not since the engagement announcement. She's been kept pretty busy. So far, so good. :thumbsup:
Cindy
Quote from: blackprincess92 on June 07, 2011, 01:06:31 PM
i wonder how long it will be before people criticize her for her lack of work-ethic...and not give excuses.
Going by the comments on the Daily Mail site today about the hiring of staff, I think people are gradually coming to realise that they've been spun some sort of story about the life Kate and William were going to live. At first we were told they'd living in Wales and when in London would be using the apartment in Clarence House that William shared with Harry and which Kate used too before the wedding. But it didn't take long for that to all change, and now it's Kensington Palace and servants.
People could understand all this better if Kate was doing the sort of duties the other royals mostly do; they understand William is in the RAF and so is employed, but Kate appears to do nothing but turn up at high profile, 'royal' events. She hasn't done a single duty since getting married that involved meeting ordinary people doing their everyday type of work and who would appreciate a royal visit. Her 'duties' are such things as meeting the Obamas and going to Epsom, both nice occasions for dressing up and being photographed. I presume it will be the same for Ascot and Wimbledon, etc. How can this be called easing herself into 'work'?
I don't like saying all this, because before their wedding Kate went with William on several public visits where she went on walkabouts and chatted to the public, and I thought this was such a good indication of how she'd be once married, that she'd show people she wasn't lazy. She's 29 years of age, she doesn't need time to learn how to do this, or if she does then she definitely wasn't a good choice of bride for William! Diana was out there, engaging with the public, practically from day one, even when still suffering from morning sickness when first pregnant - and she was only 20. The fashion editors may rave over Kate's clothes and hairstyles, etc. but unless she soon shows some real ability to work, to do the day-to-day less glamorous duties in the way the other royals do, she'll sink in the public's estimation. The British people don't like people who come across as 'posh' or 'precious', they like royals who show a true 'common touch', who aren't reluctant to meet the people and get involved with them.
What happen to "we want to be normal couple"?, lol...I don't mind them having servants rich people do that, what I don't like about this couple is the try very hard to be seen as normal. Now, that can't be right
They truly can't be a "normal couple." I am thankful that the PR showing Kate being "normal" (e.g. pushing a grocery cart) has stopped. Unless Wills steps aside and hands over some of his inheritance and gives up his titles, he really can't be "normal" and neither can Kate. I would like to see Kate starting to pitch in --maybe visiting a hospital or a shelter--with or without Wills accompanying her.
Quote from: Iseult on June 07, 2011, 01:33:56 PM
Going by the comments on the Daily Mail site today about the hiring of staff, I think people are gradually coming to realise that they've been spun some sort of story about the life Kate and William were going to live. At first we were told they'd living in Wales and when in London would be using the apartment in Clarence House that William shared with Harry and which Kate used too before the wedding. But it didn't take long for that to all change, and now it's Kensington Palace and servants.
I don't know that we were spun a story. We were told that they would be stationed in Anglesey and that they would not have servants there. I don't remember any stories about them staying at Clarence House when they would be in London, but I remember stories that the Queen had offered them rooms at Buckingham Palace when they were in London. Personally, if I were a newly wed couple ... or even a long-wed one ... I wouldn't want to stay with my father or my grandparents. Like all other couples, William and Kate want their privacy.
QuotePeople could understand all this better if Kate was doing the sort of duties the other royals mostly do; they understand William is in the RAF and so is employed, but Kate appears to do nothing but turn up at high profile, 'royal' events. She hasn't done a single duty since getting married that involved meeting ordinary people doing their everyday type of work and who would appreciate a royal visit.
Good heavens! They haven't even been married a whole month yet! She's turned up at
family events, and because the family is the Royal Family, they're also public events. In a very short while, they'll be headed off to Canada and the U.S. She's most likely got a lot of preparations to make before the trip. I doubt she's sitting at home in a Laz-E Boy recliner, watching soap operas.
QuoteI don't like saying all this, because before their wedding Kate went with William on several public visits where she went on walkabouts and chatted to the public, and I thought this was such a good indication of how she'd be once married, that she'd show people she wasn't lazy.
I'm not sure what makes you believe she is. She hasn't seemed to be lazy at all to me. Different perspectives, I suppose ...
QuoteShe's 29 years of age, she doesn't need time to learn how to do this, or if she does then she definitely wasn't a good choice of bride for William! Diana was out there, engaging with the public, practically from day one, even when still suffering from morning sickness when first pregnant - and she was only 20.
First of all, Diana wasn't, but this isn't about Diana and this isn't a comparison thread, and Kate is not Diana, nor does anyone expect her to be. In the second place, yes, she does need time to learn. It doesn't matter how old one is ... meeting people, speaking in front of crowds, shaking hands and knowing exactly what to say does not come naturally. Public speaking is the No. 1 fear ... it ranks higher than death. I don't know if the Toastmaster's Club still exists, but when it did, there were grown men in their 40's and 50's taking the class. No one is born knowing how to give public speeches easily. How safe it is to sit in front of our computers and say that Kate should do this or do that and pretend that it's all easy. It's not ... if it were, we'd all be doing it in our spare time. Because none of us are lazy.
QuoteThe fashion editors may rave over Kate's clothes and hairstyles, etc. but unless she soon shows some real ability to work, to do the day-to-day less glamorous duties in the way the other royals do, she'll sink in the public's estimation. The British people don't like people who come across as 'posh' or 'precious', they like royals who show a true 'common touch', who aren't reluctant to meet the people and get involved with them.
If the British people were to be so quick to judge (and I don't think they will be), it would say a lot more about their expectations than it would about Kate's abilities. If after four or five months, she has done nothing but lunch and shop, then the fears about her could reasonably begin. But jeez ... she's doing fine. She's just not doing every day. Nor should she be expected to at this juncture.
Cindy
Quote from: blackprincess92 on June 07, 2011, 01:06:31 PM
i wonder how long it will be before people criticize her for her lack of work-ethic...and not give excuses.
Well I won't be criticizing her for her lack of work ethic.
If I were a job-seeking member of the British public and she - daughter of millionaires, girlfriend/fiancee/wife of a prince - took a job that I could do and get paid for - I would be livid! She had better only ever get a job from her family or friends of her family and not take food out of my family's mouths!
She will do exactly as the Firm tells her what to do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000005/Jobs-Jeeves-Kate-Wills-advertise-royal-servants-new-London-flat.html
"Prince William and his new wife Kate are advertising for household servants to help them with the more mundane aspects of day-to-day life. The newlyweds are looking for a housekeeper, butler, valet and dresser to assist them when staying at their new London apartment at Kensington Palace."
An interesting job for someone! :happy15:
Up to date there is no vacant position as the press has indicated for Kensington Palace in the British Royal website.
https://atsv7.wcn.co.uk/search_engine/jobs.cgi?b3duZXI9NTA0MDk2OSZvd25lcnR5cGU9ZmFpciZwb3N0aW5nX2NvZGU9MjExJnN1Ym1pdFNlYXJjaEZvcm09MSZ1c2VyY29kZT0wJg%3D%3D&owner=5040969&ownertype=fair&posting_code=211&submitSearchForm=1&usercode=0
I have seen accurate articles in the past when Buckingham Palace requires personnel for ANY of the crown estates.
Kate will never IMO get a job outside the Firm. Particularly since she is a future Queen Consort. The question is how much she will work for the Firm.
Cindy :hug: I agree with all you have said!
Quote from: wannabe on June 07, 2011, 03:27:51 PM
Up to date there is no vacant position as the press has indicated for Kensington Palace in the British Royal website.
https://atsv7.wcn.co.uk/search_engine/jobs.cgi?b3duZXI9NTA0MDk2OSZvd25lcnR5cGU9ZmFpciZwb3N0aW5nX2NvZGU9MjExJnN1Ym1pdFNlYXJjaEZvcm09MSZ1c2VyY29kZT0wJg%3D%3D&owner=5040969&ownertype=fair&posting_code=211&submitSearchForm=1&usercode=0
Wannabe, the link doesn't work. :(
Quote from: Rachel Mc. on Today at 10:56:48 AM
Cindy :hug: I agree with all you have said!
Thanks, Rachel. :) :blowkiss:
Cindy
CORRECTION from the Palace:
Palace officials have said that contrary to reports, William & Kate are only hiring for ONE position for their Kensington Palace apartment. Not four (not surprised by the inaccuracies of the tabloids, once again). That position is for housekeeper/dresser. A dresser is not a stylist. His/her work will include cleaning & ironing clothes, not helping Kate with fashion. The couple will continue to have no staff in Anglesey. And this position appears only to be part-time... when the couple is in London.
More info: http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20395222_20500584,00.html
IMO I think the palace is trying to avoid the mistakes made in the York marriage. From the beginning Sarah said she wanted to live on base with Andrew but was told no and had to live at BP and make appearances without Andrew. They have been married only a few weeks. I can see where in London they would need help due to family commitments and juggling engagements. In Wales they may not need staff but I think it would be wise if Kate were to start making an appearances in Wales at hospitals or volunteer a few days a week for a charity even behind the scenes. I personally am not going to make any assumptions regarding her until after I see her performance on their first tour and how she handles it. Like Diana that tour will make or break her. Unlike Diana however, I can see William helping her and protecting her on what to expect.
^^ Thanks, BritishRoyals. I was going to ask if they would be working somewhere else when William and Kate weren't in London. And now that we know it's only one part-time person, it makes perfect sense.
Cindy
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 06, 2011, 05:51:32 PM
:thumbsup: Good, bad or indeed indifferent . Some would maybe like me to crawl into a corner and shut-up, but I won't :fireworks:
:thumbsup: We need posters of all opinions to have a forum going. Everyone loving Kate is just going to be boring. :nod:
Cindy, Oops again :laugh:, click 'view vacancies' in the royal household link. http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHousehold/Overview.aspx
Thanks for The People article, makes sense.
Quote from: Trudie on June 07, 2011, 04:23:53 PM
IMO I think the palace is trying to avoid the mistakes made in the York marriage. From the beginning Sarah said she wanted to live on base with Andrew but was told no and had to live at BP and make appearances without Andrew. They have been married only a few weeks. I can see where in London they would need help due to family commitments and juggling engagements. In Wales they may not need staff but I think it would be wise if Kate were to start making an appearances in Wales at hospitals or volunteer a few days a week for a charity even behind the scenes. I personally am not going to make any assumptions regarding her until after I see her performance on their first tour and how she handles it. Like Diana that tour will make or break her. Unlike Diana however, I can see William helping her and protecting her on what to expect.
I understand, Kate may bring forward ideas via projects, it still has to go through internal procedures to receive a heads-up, go ahead.
I'm confused (easy I know), but some were saying (not just on here) that it makes perfect sense for two, fit healthy individuals to have staff; butler, dresser, valet and now it's ok just to have some part-time help when in London :whatcanisay:
Personally (thank God I don't have to) but I'd rather clean toilets in McDonalds than clear up for those two.
Still they will have personnel, temporary or full time, its one person working for them. ^ :wait:
:laugh:
I am actually frankly surprised they're only taking on one household staff in London. Was expecting more. After all, didn't Sarah Ferguson have 5 ladies in waiting (on top of other staff, of course).
Quote from: BritishRoyals on June 07, 2011, 04:51:25 PM
I am actually frankly surprised they're only taking on one household staff in London. Was expecting more. After all, didn't Sarah Ferguson have 5 ladies in waiting (on top of other staff, of course).
^ Maybe, however, look what happened to her, it all went to her head - she still has staff now - the mindset is the same.
Quote from: wannabe on June 07, 2011, 04:45:12 PM
Still they will have personnel, temporary or full time, its one person working for them. ^ :wait:
:laugh:
Yes, I have a lady that comes in and helps around my house, but I go out to work 5 days a week and have 3 young children.
I think if they are just having one person they will quickly realize they need more help. Or this could just be spin about how they are "just like the rest of us." Who knows?
Quote from: sandy on June 07, 2011, 05:18:21 PM
Or this could just be spin about how they are "just like the rest of us." Who knows?
It seems to be changing daily. So, yes, "who knows"
I think the PR put out feelers with the pic of Kate pushing a shopping cart to show she was "normal" and brought frozen pizza "like the rest of us" although she was surrounded by security people. I think this was poorly received so maybe they are modifying the "they are like the rest of us" spin.
Personally, I don't care. They want to hire staff and can afford it, then so be it. Not like it wasn't expected. The spin on the story about William and Kate wanting to be normal and down to earth is all well and good, but not realistic.
As for Kate being busy... doing what exactly? Preparing a wardrobe, and apparently learning French although the source of that information seems to be coming from the same source of information as these four non-existent staff positions. Girlfriend has been chosing outfits, working out, gone on her honeymoon, gone to the races and spent ten minutes with the Obamas and apparently picking out apartments. She must be EXHAUSTED. She has only been married a month and I do think she should be given some time, but really, the whole Kate is busy argument is like giving someone a porkchop for a pig.
Quote from: sandy on June 07, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
I think the PR put out feelers with the pic of Kate pushing a shopping cart to show she was "normal" and brought frozen pizza "like the rest of us" although she was surrounded by security people. I think this was poorly received so maybe they are modifying the "they are like the rest of us" spin.
Of course, they do not want to make the same mistakes again, didn't William say = "trying to learn lessons from the past" - they put it out there, see the reaction and back-track as and when needed. However the brand "William & Kate" remains tarnished by the past for me at least. Silk purse, sows ear - springs to my mind. Paddy Harveson must be working overtime.
Quote from: crownjewel on June 06, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
And they may not do 300 or 400 engagements right now but in few years they'll be full time royals just like the Queen and Charles and Camilla.
Hopefully more like the Queen and less like Charles and Camilla :ninja:
Quote from: sandy on June 07, 2011, 02:05:15 PM
They truly can't be a "normal couple." I am thankful that the PR showing Kate being "normal" (e.g. pushing a grocery cart) has stopped. Unless Wills steps aside and hands over some of his inheritance and gives up his titles, he really can't be "normal" and neither can Kate. I would like to see Kate starting to pitch in --maybe visiting a hospital or a shelter--with or without Wills accompanying her.
i think the PR machine stopped it because it wasnt working...completely contradicting.
The ghosts of Kensington Palace .... I bet Paul Burrell could give them a few guidelines, they will have Princess Pushy as a neighbour and apparently the only flat available is Princess Margarets old chefs, but straight out the gates by the hotel and your immediately in High Street Kensington SHOPPING heaven.
What did Diana liken it to Coronation Street the palace apartments that is, twitching curtains syndrome.
It's a strange place the main Palace has a sad heavy atmosphere. I don't reckon Kate will want to stay there long she will want something palatial eventually.
:loco:
Having a part-time housekeeper to take care of things in KP is fine and almost expected. You can't expect Will and Kate to fly in for a couple of days to do a few engagements *and* clean/cook for themselves. When I travel for work I stay in a hotel and go out to eat in restaurants - who doesn't?
Quote from: Blue Clover on June 07, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000005/Jobs-Jeeves-Kate-Wills-advertise-royal-servants-new-London-flat.html
"Prince William and his new wife Kate are advertising for household servants to help them with the more mundane aspects of day-to-day life. The newlyweds are looking for a housekeeper, butler, valet and dresser to assist them when staying at their new London apartment at Kensington Palace."
An interesting job for someone! :happy15:
i know this will sound me and ugly....but i hope they are looking for remotely ugly people with hideous personalities....so wills and kate in the long run wont be tempted like dear old Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Quote from: Jenee on June 07, 2011, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: crownjewel on June 06, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
And they may not do 300 or 400 engagements right now but in few years they'll be full time royals just like the Queen and Charles and Camilla.
Hopefully more like the Queen and less like Charles and Camilla :ninja:
^ :nod:. I for one hope their engagements will become more like work and less like like fun, glamour, photo ops.
Quote from: Princess Pea on June 07, 2011, 06:22:20 PM
I don't reckon Kate will want to stay there long she will want something palatial eventually.
:loco:
Totally agree PP: In a few months we've gone from - engagement, austere wedding (understanding what the country is going through), wanting to live in Anglesey for 2 years (they could still have done engagements), to Clarence House now Kensington Palace and staff of four (now reported to be one - part-time). For a nano second - I believed the spin, but true to form - they are proving to be just the same as the rest of them.
well lets see in the fall if she does nothing but go to royal events or actually does something meaningful in my book....otherwise they will mean nothing to me and i will be glad im an american
^ Indeed - time will tell :) - but I'm not holding my breath.
What do you guys think of the Canada trip? I think that is 'meaningful' personally although there will still be a lot of fluff involved.
^ im not either....but i will be laughing at the excuses... because apparently my definition of working and other's definition clash
Quote from: Jenee on June 07, 2011, 07:02:48 PM
What do you guys think of the Canada trip? I think that is 'meaningful' personally although there will still be a lot of fluff involved.
im just waiting on the days where she has to do things on her own and without her husband...and i can wait for her to give a speech..
Me too!
Apparently William will be the keynote speaker at Thursday's gala dinner for ARK ;)
why the face? ...i think he needs some help in the elocution department but he speaks well for his upbringing...
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 07, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
I'm confused (easy I know), but some were saying (not just on here) that it makes perfect sense for two, fit healthy individuals to have staff; butler, dresser, valet and now it's ok just to have some part-time help when in London :whatcanisay:
Personally (thank God I don't have to) but I'd rather clean toilets in McDonalds than clear up for those two.
I can't find anywhere where anyone said that it made sense for William and Kate to have a staff of three (or four?). But, sophiechloe, are you
sure you'd rather clean toilets in McDonald's? I'd sure hate to see you doing that. :therethere: Those fast-food restrooms can get awfully nasty.
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on June 07, 2011, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 07, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
I'm confused (easy I know), but some were saying (not just on here) that it makes perfect sense for two, fit healthy individuals to have staff; butler, dresser, valet and now it's ok just to have some part-time help when in London :whatcanisay:
Personally (thank God I don't have to) but I'd rather clean toilets in McDonalds than clear up for those two.
I can't find anywhere where anyone said that it made sense for William and Kate to have a staff of three (or four?). But, sophiechloe, are you sure you'd rather clean toilets in McDonald's? I'd sure hate to see you doing that. :therethere: Those fast-food restrooms can get awfully nasty.
Cindy
:hi: Just read back Cindy, it's there - somewhere - It was posted that it was naive to suggest they would not need staff whilst in London- as I said, not just posted on here either. When I say I'd rather clean toilets in McDonalds - I'd take the job, walk in, pour some bleach down the toilet, air freshener and walk out again - I'd soon get sacked, but preferrable to cleaning up after those two. :hug:
Quote from: blackprincess92 on June 07, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
why the face? ...i think he needs some help in the elocution department but he speaks well for his upbringing...
I think Wills could have used public speaking classes at Uni. He talks too fast with ers and ums. He has a nice voice but he needs help. I hope TPTB don't think Kate is the only one who could use some help.
Quote from: sandy on June 07, 2011, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: blackprincess92 on June 07, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
why the face? ...i think he needs some help in the elocution department but he speaks well for his upbringing...
I think Wills could have used public speaking classes at Uni. He talks too fast with ers and ums. He has a nice voice but he needs help. I hope TPTB don't think Kate is the only one who could use some help.
he kinda rambles on and on..much too fast
The thing is while they were saying to stay awy from london and live in the country side or whatever...because they were going to try to live a normal and low profile life..it was great people couldnt expect more from them since they are so amaizng people down to earth who love living in peace and not having to deal wit being on the spotlight all the time...
Now they are moving temporally to london and yeah its great coz they are royalty and they need to leave in palaces and peoples couldnt expect more from them i mean they are royals and they need to be in contact with people and media and in the spotlight and london is the place to be ...and theey need to do take theyre royal duties more seriouslly and thats perfect..
In the end they dont ned to need to live recluded like farmers and real down to earth people..coz yeah they are royalty..ad royals are not suppose to live like that...
I personally couldnt expect more from they..they are really starting to love the life they should and erase all this cicus about being humble and simple and normal people when theyre not!!!!!
I like this way....honest and true..if theyre royals they are royals and period...live like royals then ..dont pretend to live like normal and simple people in the country side away from media and attention and blablabla..when actually both need such attention to live!!!!
But yah its funny as usual seeing people changing theyre minds drastically just to defend the couple...
I mean once they were said to be moving to country side it was amazing coz blablabla and now theyre moving to he city and even being totally contraditory to what have been said before its still amazing coz of blablabla
I think its all so funny :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10:
^ :blowkiss: _ I think I've caught the jist of your argument - and I agree with some of your post, but not all :hug:
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 07, 2011, 11:47:55 AM
Millions around the world manage it - but it's usually called working. Or is it cause their royal.
In fact more than millions of people manage, albeit most do not require to pay attention to the kind of details W&K have to, none is subject to a similar scrutiny. When they say "they will entertain", I doubt they mean entertaining their friends from university only. Their apartments have to be top notch and ready for visits from all kinds of people.
Staying at a hotel would probably incur higher costs in security alone.
Prince William cannot let go of his security. Until UK becomes a republic, senior royals need protection.
They are moving into an existing royal residence, to a small apartment, and getting the minimum required staff. There are a lot of people, non-royals, who have staff to run their households. Only they are called personal assistants, housekeepers, chefs, etc, instead of butlers and valets... I don't understand the criticism. I do not expect them to live like ordinary people, I do not want them to live like ordinary people. On the other hand, it looks like William and Harry are both different from Charles, who spends a lot of money on his lavish lifestyle.
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 07, 2011, 07:31:27 PM
:hi: Just read back Cindy, it's there - somewhere - It was posted that it was naive to suggest they would not need staff whilst in London- as I said, not just posted on here either. When I say I'd rather clean toilets in McDonalds - I'd take the job, walk in, pour some bleach down the toilet, air freshener and walk out again - I'd soon get sacked, but preferrable to cleaning up after those two. :hug:
Oh, yeah ... people did say that. I probably did, too. :blush: But there's staff, and then there's
STAFF, which is why I wondered what they would be doing when William and Kate aren't there. And I still personally think that, as their duties grow, they'll need more than a part-time housekeeper and dresser. But I agree that four full-time employees would be wasteful. And I don't think anyone ever said "yes, four full-time employees is about right".
Quote from: anitalalala on Today at 02:48:03 PM
But yah its funny as usual seeing people changing theyre minds drastically just to defend the couple...
I mean once they were said to be moving to country side it was amazing coz blablabla and now theyre moving to he city and even being totally contraditory to what have been said before its still amazing coz of blablabla
Nowhere has it been said that they're moving to the city. It has been said that
when they are in London, they need a place to stay. And it has been known for months that they were offered rooms in BP and that they preferred to stay elsewhere. Look back in the old threads ... the discussion is there.
Cindy
QuoteSlideshow: History of the Duke and Duchess' New Digs
Explore the 400-year history of London's Kensington Palace, where the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (better known as Prince William and the former Kate Middleton) will soon settle down as a married couple.
http://www.history.com/news/2011/06/07/slideshow-history-of-the-duke-and-duchess-new-digs/?cmpid=Social_Facebook_Hith_06072011_2
History.com obviously doesn't realize that William and Kate are already settled down in Anglesey, but there's a nice slideshow of Kensington Palace and former residents.
Cindy
i have heard that the palace is haunted wooo scary
I read just this morning that the positions are part time and the staff will not be working when the couple are in Wales. My guess is who ever is chosen will still be able to remain on the staff at BP.
That makes sense. I believe there are several staff members who move around the various residences as needed. I don't know why people are making this so complicated!
The vacant position will be covered via 'promotion'. If there is any junior ranked staff already working in any of the crown estates interested in the position, she/he may apply.
Richard Palmer, Royal Correspondent, The Daily Express
QuoteTHEY had insisted they needed no extra staff at the start of married life but the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are already hiring help.
The couple are recruiting their first addition to their staff since their April 29 marriage - a housekeeper/dresser who will work for Kate, Duchess of Camrbridge.
St James's Palace officials have confirmed that the couple are looking for a fulltime person to help Kate, 29, at their new London home, an apartment in Kensington Palace.
The housekeeper/dresser will be responsible for keeping the apartment tidy and preparing clothes for the Duchess when she is in the capital but, according to officials, will have no formal role in doing the same for William, 28.
Part of the role will be to prepare clothes for Kate when she is on official duties in the capital or preparing to go on foreign tours.
The couple, who have advertised the vacancy internally within the Royal Household, hope to recruit somebody in time for the couple's first overseas tour, to Canada and California at the end of this month.
http://www.express.co.uk/blogs/post/267/blog/2011/06/08/251525/Royal-blog-Kate-Duchess-of-Cambridge-hires-a-dresser
Quote
The housekeeper/dresser will be responsible for keeping the apartment tidy and preparing clothes for the Duchess when she is in the capital but, according to officials, will have no formal role in doing the same for William, 28.
Part of the role will be to prepare clothes for Kate when she is on official duties in the capital or preparing to go on foreign tours.
Oh I see, William is able to sort his own clothes, but Kate needs help :huh2:
^Well everyone scours Kate's clothes for the slightest mistake! Let's face it - part of her job as a royal female is to wear clothes. Women's clothes are more complicated in many ways than men's. Take just shoes - men have black and various shades of brown. For formal wear - patent leather black. But for women!! Endless shades, heels, attachments etc. etc. And someone always out there to say that she got it wrong. When was the last time you heard someone say - "I just HATE those shoes on William!!"
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 08, 2011, 01:34:07 PM
Oh I see, William is able to sort his own clothes, but Kate needs help :huh2:
Kate is said to be taking 40 changes of clothing with her on her trip to Canada and the U.S. She probably does need help with that. This will be Kate's first major trip as a Royal. William, on the other hand, who has done this before ... a couple of suits, two casual shirts (different shades of light blue), socks, undies, and a couple pair of trousers. Done. Well, I'm sure his wardrobe is more complicated (oops, forgot shoes), but that's the basic idea. Women's wardrobes are more complicated than men's. Oh, and they'll need someone to help them remember to bring things like toothbrushes and deodorant.
Cindy
I don't think the housekeeper/dresser will travel with the couple. She will very likely use hotel staff for any amenities required/needed to look the royal part. If so, this will be a first for a royal wife. Good luck Kate!
ETA, on the other hand, the downside, using hotel staff, I can see that many hotel/stop over mouths will be talking to the press to report what they did for amenity services, rather than getting that 1 person to travel work for her (the couple).
It was inevitable and unavoidable for William and Kate to a) have a proper place to stay when in London and b) hire staff. I thought both these things were a given, so I'm not at all surprised. At the moment their lives probably divide two ways; a more formal life while in the capital and it's vicinity and their more private lives in Wales. I don't see a problem with any of this. Kate needs a bit of help with housekeeping and dressing? Well, it was always going to happen at some point. Might as well make a start.
I can't see how any of this makes Kate "lazy." To be honest, when I'm going off on a holiday, I would love to have someone around to help me pack, choose outfits, worry about clean shoes and accessories, not to mention underwear, makeup ... the list goes on ... and I'm not appearing in public. :shrug:
I say give the girl a break and William too, for that matter. How he manages sometimes without a dresser, God only knows. He certainly needs one to sort the length of his trousers out, in my view. :D
Quote from: RoyalB on June 08, 2011, 02:10:04 PM
I can't see how any of this makes Kate "lazy." To be honest, when I'm going off on a holiday, I would love to have someone around to help me pack, choose outfits, worry about clean shoes and accessories, not to mention underwear, makeup ... the list goes on ... and I'm not appearing in public. :shrug:
:hi:
This is not a holiday, its an official state visit. One doesn't meet and greet with government officials during a holiday.
^ wannabe, I completely understand that it's not a holiday! That's the point I was making! :whatcanisay:
Quote from: missbliss on June 08, 2011, 01:45:31 PM
When was the last time you heard someone say - "I just HATE those shoes on William!!"
Good point. However, I've read many people mention his tatty white trainers that he wears. Some of his casual wear is a little off at times too - IMO.
^^ :hug: Oh right :flower3: I've had too much :orchid:
QuoteSome of his casual wear is a little off at times too - IMO.
Oh I agree!! However men are not judged by their clothes the way women are. There will be buckets of ink spilled discussing every little aspect of what Kate wears for the rest of her life. William - not even close.
Count me in as another who doesn't get what the big deal is. As an American I see President Obama playing basketball and going out to restuarants. But not for 1 second do I think that makes him a normal guy. That would be ridiculous. William and his wife do normal things sometimes too, like go grocery shopping, but it would be insane to think that makes them like normal average people. I think there are just people who will bash this couple no matter what they do. If they live in Anglesy with no servants they're putting on an act and if they live in palaces with servants (like every royal in history) that's wrong too. In my view with the economy being so bad that makes some envious or resentful of those with wealth :notamused:. Especially if that wealth was inherited and not earned like Prince William's and by entension Catherine. But there's nothing they can do about that except try to give back to those who aren't as privileged as they are.
^ "try to give back to those who aren't as privileged as they are" - When are they going to start doing that then, so far all I've seen is fun and photo ops and tomorrow night they are off to some fancy pants event. Yes, they have an up and coming tour to USA and Canada - I say charity begins at home.
I fall into the category that you would call "envious or resentful of those with wealth". If we're talking about the RF then I have no problem with The Queen or Princess Anne and a few others, they are wealthy beyond my wildest dreams - but they've been "giving back" for years. Who knows, I might start liking William and Kate if/when they start too.
It depends on your point of view, tomorrow's ARK gala event, like last year, made GBP 14 million.
The Royal family has been seen in all different kinds of work.
Quote from: crownjewel on June 08, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
Count me in as another who doesn't get what the big deal is. As an American I see President Obama playing basketball and going out to restuarants. But not for 1 second do I think that makes him a normal guy. That would be ridiculous. William and his wife do normal things sometimes too, like go grocery shopping, but it would be insane to think that makes them like normal average people. I think there are just people who will bash this couple no matter what they do. If they live in Anglesy with no servants they're putting on an act and if they live in palaces with servants (like every royal in history) that's wrong too. In my view with the economy being so bad that makes some envious or resentful of those with wealth :notamused:. Especially if that wealth was inherited and not earned like Prince William's and by entension Catherine. But there's nothing they can do about that except try to give back to those who aren't as privileged as they are.
Thank you! Exactly my thoughts. Hello?! This couple has a very public side in life. Like presidents, politicians & celebrities, they need help to be able to juggle with the preparations - behind the scenes stuff that we don't as ordinary mortals get to see. So they're hiring a housekeeper-dresser. Big deal? My lawyer has one. Paris Hilton's dog probably has one. I'm surprised they aren't hiring more staff - to be honest.
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 08, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
^ "try to give back to those who aren't as privileged as they are" - When are they going to start doing that then, so far all I've seen is fun and photo ops and tomorrow night they are off to some fancy pants event. Yes, they have an up and coming tour to USA and Canada - I say charity begins at home.
I fall into the category that you would call "envious or resentful of those with wealth". If we're talking about the RF then I have no problem with The Queen or Princess Anne and a few others, they are wealthy beyond my wildest dreams - but they've been "giving back" for years. Who knows, I might start liking William and Kate if/when they start too.
^^ :therethere: Neither William nor Kate are even close to the Queen or Princess Anne in age. Give them time. In 25 years or so, you might be complaining that their children don't give as much as their parents, who give so much. At this point, we don't know how much William or Kate has given back. I do know that just by their appearance at the fancy pants event tomorrow night, they will help bring in more money for that charity than the charity would get without their being there. And what might look like fun and games to you, including the trip to Canada and the U.S., probably isn't all that much fun and games. I'll bet that while it might be exciting, especially for Kate, it will also be exhausting, and not necessarily in a good way.
Cindy
Quote from: wannabe on June 08, 2011, 04:58:59 PM
It depends on your point of view, tomorrow's ARK gala event, like last year, made GBP 14 million.
I'm not saying they can't go to these type of shindings eventually, but after they have built up a portfolio of dedicated charity works - it all seems like, dress up and have fun.
Quote from: cinrit on June 08, 2011, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 08, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
^ "try to give back to those who aren't as privileged as they are" - When are they going to start doing that then, so far all I've seen is fun and photo ops and tomorrow night they are off to some fancy pants event. Yes, they have an up and coming tour to USA and Canada - I say charity begins at home.
I fall into the category that you would call "envious or resentful of those with wealth". If we're talking about the RF then I have no problem with The Queen or Princess Anne and a few others, they are wealthy beyond my wildest dreams - but they've been "giving back" for years. Who knows, I might start liking William and Kate if/when they start too.
I'll bet that while it might be exciting, especially for Kate, it will also be exhausting, and not necessarily in a good way.
Cindy
:hi: Yes, I agree it will be exhausting for Kate, she is used to flying long distances, but once she has arrived - she starts relaxing - it will be different this time, she'll have to do some "work". But I stand by my point that "charity should begin at home" :nod:
All the royal went to shindings without having built a 'portfolio'.
Naive to think that events such as the ARK charity gala, polo matches, participating in traditional ceremonies, visiting localities, and going on commonwealth tours are considered "fun & games." Oh, no. They are work.
To say William & Catherine have not given back is completely inaccurate, in my opinion. Agreeing to a very public wedding alone has boosted the monarchy's popularity and the UK's tourism in unmeasurable ways. Their wedding charity fund is supporting more than 20 charities. I think credit should be given when it is due. And this couple has done A LOT so far.
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 08, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
I'm not saying they can't go to these type of shindings eventually, but after they have built up a portfolio of dedicated charity works - it all seems like, dress up and have fun.
There have been times when I had to go to events or dinners given by the company I worked for, and the majority of times, I would really have preferred to stay home and veg out in front of the television with a Pepsi and a bowl of potato chips. Meeting all those people and smiling and laughing until your face hurts might seem glamorous from the outside, but it isn't so much fun when it goes on and on, and you really just want to sit somewhere and put your feet up.
Cindy
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 08, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
^ "try to give back to those who aren't as privileged as they are" - When are they going to start doing that then, so far all I've seen is fun and photo ops and tomorrow night they are off to some fancy pants event. Yes, they have an up and coming tour to USA and Canada - I say charity begins at home.
I fall into the category that you would call "envious or resentful of those with wealth". If we're talking about the RF then I have no problem with The Queen or Princess Anne and a few others, they are wealthy beyond my wildest dreams - but they've been "giving back" for years. Who knows, I might start liking William and Kate if/when they start too.
:yesss: :thumbsup:
^ I'm really trying Cindy, honestly I am :hug:. But she could've said - No it's not for me? I'll save my sympathy for the old folk in my country - who every day have the choice of - 'eat or heat' - :windsor:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8559805/Prince-William-and-Duchess-of-Cambridge-are-denied-Princess-Margarets-former-home.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8559805/Prince-William-and-Duchess-of-Cambridge-are-denied-Princess-Margarets-former-home.html)
Dont know if that is how you input link , anyways check Telegraph.
Just a point about the offices in Kensington Palace 8/9 . Charles had them designed apparently by Dudley Poplak who did Highgrove. They must be nice offices to work in.
Quote from: JekkaBee on June 08, 2011, 05:53:24 PM
:yesss: :thumbsup:
:hug: - Keep fighting the good fight - and not be taken in by the spin and constant love feast :hug:
I must say that Catherine has been married for one month and one week. She has hardly had time to build up a great record of charity has she? As for William, he has done some things, but mostly he has concentrated on his military work (and some partying to be sure.) Now they are entering into married life - when people settle down and start acting like adults. Give the two of them a chance! :)
Quote from: cinrit on June 08, 2011, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 08, 2011, 01:34:07 PM
Oh I see, William is able to sort his own clothes, but Kate needs help :huh2:
Kate is said to be taking 40 changes of clothing with her on her trip to Canada and the U.S. She probably does need help with that. This will be Kate's first major trip as a Royal. William, on the other hand, who has done this before ... a couple of suits, two casual shirts (different shades of light blue), socks, undies, and a couple pair of trousers. Done. Well, I'm sure his wardrobe is more complicated (oops, forgot shoes), but that's the basic idea. Women's wardrobes are more complicated than men's. Oh, and they'll need someone to help them remember to bring things like toothbrushes and deodorant.
Cindy
dude needs help in that department...maybe some non blues
okay well i wil give her the benefit of the doubt for now...
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 08, 2011, 05:55:24 PM
^ I'm really trying Cindy, honestly I am :hug:. But she could've said - No it's not for me? I'll save my sympathy for the old folk in my country - who every day have the choice of - 'eat or heat' - :windsor:
I know you are. :love6: You don't have to like them ... no one is liked by everybody. But at least give them a chance to get on their feet. They've had to play it a little cool before the engagement announcement, and now they're finding their place in the world of royalty together. And no, Kate probably didn't have a chance to say "no, not for me" if you mean the fancy do tomorrow night. And if you meant marrying William, she probably didn't have a choice there, either, since she more than likely loves him very much. :vday2:
Cindy
http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/08/william-kate-butler-valet-dresser?cat=commentisfree&type=article
O Dear!
^ PP : Thank you for posting that link - says it all really :hug:
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I know you are. :love6: You don't have to like them ... no one is liked by everybody. But at least give them a chance to get on their feet. They've had to play it a little cool before the engagement announcement, and now they're finding their place in the world of royalty together. And no, Kate probably didn't have a chance to say "no, not for me" if you mean the fancy do tomorrow night. And if you meant marrying William, she probably didn't have a choice there, either, since she more than likely loves him very much. :vday2:
Cindy
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Nice to see that William and Kate are doing the best they can and neither is lazy. Some people just expect them to jump through hoops as soon as the "I do's" are done. Don't give Kate anytime to get her footing or stay close to her husband at the beginning, just star a charity, run it, and make billions on your first day out.
Princessn Diana used to say that she was exhaused after appearances because everyone wants all of you. I don't think doing appearances of any kind can be called play. I think Catherine is trying to learn how to do appearances. It will be exiciting when her personal passions become evident. If we look at their wedding charity selections, it should give a few hints.
Quote from: Princess Pea on June 08, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/08/william-kate-butler-valet-dresser?cat=commentisfree&type=article
O Dear!
Has anybody read this? - Comments please :hug:
Yeah, Republicans :happy15:
^ all can read, all can comment :)
I think that if kate started doing things people would say shes trying to show off work and thats bad the same way that if she dont do nothing people will say its bad coz shes not doing something...
she can do right or worng...i see nothing new about that... :orchid:
Whats really funny is see that people defend the couple no matter what they do...
if they chose to stay its right coz they shouldn go...if they decide to go is also right coz they should stay!!!!
If they decide to have 5 kids is good coz a big familly is amazing...if they decide to have no kids is also good... who needs kids???
If kate wears white insted of yellow is great coz yeallow is so out of fashion...then at the last minute she changes the color and decides to wear yellow ithe next day...and oh... is great also coz in the end she wouldnt look so good like that in white ;)
If they decide to stay at countryside is amazing coz they wil have a lot of time to stay alone and away from th big city and the paparazzi..atention..also they ar just married they need to enjoy themselves...
Then now they decided to move to kensigton...and..tchan tchan tchan!!!!!
Of course its great...whatelse could it be :P
I mean its totally contraditory and with no sense at all...but who cares???? :icare: :icare: :icare:
I mean seriouslly...i have the feeling some people dont really have an fixed opinin whe it comes to this couple...they just say things depending on what they do...i mean it doenst matter at all what they do..it matter that they are the ones who did it..and its all great!!!!!
I mean the impression i alwasy have when it comes to wills and kate and theyre fan club is that if they kill someone tomorrow....
it will be something great anyway :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10:
seriouslly... :sigh:
This is nothign personal by anypnes comments just comenting how funny it is to see it..againa dn again...
it really makes my day...coz its always such a fun to see people changing theyre vies againa nd again and again just to make there views fit the idea that kate and wills are perfect!!! and everyhting they do is perfect an correct!!!! :happy15:
:loco: :loco: :loco:
Quote from: wannabe on June 08, 2011, 10:59:17 PM
Yeah, Republicans :happy15:
I agree, Plus Povocative journalism, needed to sell newspapers nowadays.
^ well the link is there - on-line, for all to view, read and comment upon :shrug:
Exactlly :thumbsup:
But who cares.its will and kate were talking about.....its ok!!!!
Dont worry be happy..everythings gonna be alright!!!! :thumbsup:
Theyve said something and done another....again :no: :no: :no:
so tipical...
and noone cares..who cares???
so tipical again... :notamused: :notamused: :notamused:
I gave up a long time ago...
Join te club and start have fun..its better actually...
They are married anyway....so why fight against...better join the fanclub :happy20: :hula: :hula: :hula:
Or at least try to have some fun..coz its very funny :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10:
Quote from: Honesty on June 08, 2011, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: wannabe on June 08, 2011, 10:59:17 PM
Yeah, Republicans :happy15:
I agree, Plus Povocative journalism, needed to sell newspapers nowadays.
Agree. The column even initially had incorrect information, stating the other falsely reported valet and butler, etc. Corrected by a reader, apparently. To take it seriously is laughable.
Quote from: anitalalala on June 08, 2011, 11:37:18 PM
Exactlly :thumbsup:
But who cares.its will and kate were talking about.....its ok!!!!
Dont worry be happy..everythings gonna be alright!!!! :thumbsup:
Theyve said something and done another....again :no: :no: :no:
so tipical...
and noone cares..who cares???
so tipical again... :notamused: :notamused: :notamused:
I gave up a long time ago...
Join te club and start have fun..its better actually...
They are married anyway....so why fight against...better join the fanclub :happy20: :hula: :hula: :hula:
Or at least try to have some fun..coz its very funny :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10:
I love you're attitude :hug: - Don't worry, be happy -"It will all come out in the wash" - as my lovely Nan would say :blowkiss:
Yeah, they definitely said one thing and did another; except the fact that they are still living in Anglesey where William works. But don't let logic get in the way of your argument.
For now, I'm going to give Will and Kate the benefit of the doubt.
I think they may have WANTED to get by with little or no staff, but have realized that they will need more staff than they hoped. In any case, I doubt that they will be as bad as Prince Charles in terms of the staff they need.
I can't blame W&K for wanting to get their own apartment for the times they are in London. I would want to live with my parents or my grandmother, either, particularly if I could afford not to.
Yes, they have bigger wardrobes than most of us do. But, they also have official engagements and requirements that I don't have.
If nothing else, compared to Diana, Kate seems to rely less on courtier "one-off" outfits, and actually buys clothes from regular clothing stores. No, she doesn't shop at Target (or the British equivalent), but if Kate did, then she would get bad press for that. Unfortunately, no matter what Kate does, SOMEONE won't like it.
As for what Kate is doing right now, I suspect she is actively involved in the search for a place to stay in London--both short-term and long-term. (I hope W&K were given SOME choice.) And, apparently the apartment needs some work, and I assume Kate is involved with that. (I certainly hope that W&K have some say in how the apartment is decorated.)
Also, for their trip to Canada/LA (which W&K likely had little choice in planning) they will have a lot of public appearances, and Kate's need for 40 outfits makes sense in terms of past history of royal overseas trips. Picking out those outfits, along with accessories, etc. is time consuming. I'm just glad Kate likes to shop, because I'd HATE having to look good all the time.
As for Kate doing public appearances right now, I'm sure that she is doing whatever THE FIRM tells her to do. If the Palace wanted her to do public appearances, then she would be doing them. Even for public appearances like going to Epsom, although W&K probably wanted to go anyway, I doubt they had a real choice. It's not like they could have said, "Hey, we want to spend some time just chilling this weekend, so we'll skip this one."
No, it isn't fair. William is rich, Kate is going to get a lot of pretty clothes and they will get to meet some cool people (and a lot of REALLY boring ones). But, there is a tradeoff. They can't go without security, and I think that when it comes to security (e.g., how many, etc.) they don't have much choice. W&K couldn't even stay in the nicest villa at their honeymoon resort because the security detail ruled it out. They rented the whole island, but couldn't stay in the nicest villa. (Not that they had to stay in a slum, however.) For the rest of their lives, every move W&K makes will be scrutinized and commented on. To me, it wouldn't be worth the money.
The bottom line is that, despite the UK being a republic, the Royal Family apparently brings in more tourist dollars to the UK than they cost the taxpayer. (Sorry, I forgot where I read that, but I think the UK government publishes a report at least once a year.)
Actually, so far I've been pleased that while W&K still basically have to adhere to the rules of the FIRM, it seems that, unlike his father, William has a backbone, and has done far more things HIS way than his father did, for example, with regard to his wedding. Does William have complete choice--of course not.
Quote from: ChiPrincess on June 09, 2011, 01:26:48 AM
For now, I'm going to give Will and Kate the benefit of the doubt.
I think they may have WANTED to get by with little or no staff, but have realized that they will need more staff than they hoped. In any case, I doubt that they will be as bad as Prince Charles in terms of the staff they need.
I can't blame W&K for wanting to get their own apartment for the times they are in London. I would want to live with my parents or my grandmother, either, particularly if I could afford not to.
Yes, they have bigger wardrobes than most of us do. But, they also have official engagements and requirements that I don't have.
If nothing else, compared to Diana, Kate seems to rely less on courtier "one-off" outfits, and actually buys clothes from regular clothing stores. No, she doesn't shop at Target (or the British equivalent), but if Kate did, then she would get bad press for that. Unfortunately, no matter what Kate does, SOMEONE won't like it.
As for what Kate is doing right now, I suspect she is actively involved in the search for a place to stay in London--both short-term and long-term. (I hope W&K were given SOME choice.) And, apparently the apartment needs some work, and I assume Kate is involved with that. (I certainly hope that W&K have some say in how the apartment is decorated.)
Also, for their trip to Canada/LA (which W&K likely had little choice in planning) they will have a lot of public appearances, and Kate's need for 40 outfits makes sense in terms of past history of royal overseas trips. Picking out those outfits, along with accessories, etc. is time consuming. I'm just glad Kate likes to shop, because I'd HATE having to look good all the time.
As for Kate doing public appearances right now, I'm sure that she is doing whatever THE FIRM tells her to do. If the Palace wanted her to do public appearances, then she would be doing them. Even for public appearances like going to Epsom, although W&K probably wanted to go anyway, I doubt they had a real choice. It's not like they could have said, "Hey, we want to spend some time just chilling this weekend, so we'll skip this one."
No, it isn't fair. William is rich, Kate is going to get a lot of pretty clothes and they will get to meet some cool people (and a lot of REALLY boring ones). But, there is a tradeoff. They can't go without security, and I think that when it comes to security (e.g., how many, etc.) they don't have much choice. W&K couldn't even stay in the nicest villa at their honeymoon resort because the security detail ruled it out. They rented the whole island, but couldn't stay in the nicest villa. (Not that they had to stay in a slum, however.) For the rest of their lives, every move W&K makes will be scrutinized and commented on. To me, it wouldn't be worth the money.
The bottom line is that, despite the UK being a republic, the Royal Family apparently brings in more tourist dollars to the UK than they cost the taxpayer. (Sorry, I forgot where I read that, but I think the UK government publishes a report at least once a year.)
Actually, so far I've been pleased that while W&K still basically have to adhere to the rules of the FIRM, it seems that, unlike his father, William has a backbone, and has done far more things HIS way than his father did, for example, with regard to his wedding. Does William have complete choice--of course not.
Bingo! And welcome to the forums! Lovely, sensible and brilliantly-written opening post.
I think they are trying hard to be modern and independent, and at the same time keep the Monarchy alive. Their public life will, no doubt, require staff members. Without assistants, they cannot handle all their duties alone, that's a given.
But I have to admit, the article from the mirror was very well written. Especially this part-
QuoteIn an age when everyone can express their opinion on everything to a worldwide online audience, we don't have the faintest idea what their values are. What are their political views? What music do they like? What did they think of the Britain's Got Talent final? We just don't know. Their facelessness is not only unsatisfying, but jarring in a world where individuality is so prized.
And that is so true. I am surprised(very!) that PW & PW still don't have their own twitter. KM should work on getting one too. The power of technology is unbelievable. They don't need to tweet pictures of themselves in PJ's, but they definitely need to take a leaf out of Queen Rania's book and start using the internet. Having everything as an official statement from Clarence House doens't really help their individuality.
ChiPrincess :goodpost: , wonderfully worded post. You echo my sentiments. Welcome to the forum, I look forward to more posts from you. :nod:
KP,a set of apts. A building of apts. there,fine for London stays. Yeah, all of the London royal things, but the party , fun times too.
Country house of their own,...hmmm,howaboutthe Duke and Duchess of Pork,I mean York's old home that is a grand, expensive place that has fallen into ruin.
Quote from: XeniaCasaraghi on June 09, 2011, 01:00:05 AM
Yeah, they definitely said one thing and did another; except the fact that they are still living in Anglesey where William works. But don't let logic get in the way of your argument.
And then while theyre in the countryside people will be bacj on tracks and said that the best for them is actually...tchan..tchan..tchan...
stay in the countryside...
and then if tomorrow they decide to change to the palace..iwhats gonna be the best option again????
exactlly...
Thats what im saying...and no for me i dont care where they live..country side, city, london, madri whatever i dont care...
anywhere seem nice actually...im just using such examples to try to show how people change theyre views so quicklly just to follow the couples and keep up defending everyhting they do....
even if yeaterday it was consider a bad thing and today conside a good thing..and tomorrow bad thing again..coz the couple chnages theyre minds...and so does everyone else...jiust keeping up with the duke and duchess of cambridge....
Just though it would eb good to try to have some sense of humor...i wasnt being directed to anyone in particular...just really making jokes coz to me its all very funny..
for me the closest to the media te best!!!!
The more we see the the best right???
I vote for kensignton :yesss:
as for modernize the monarchy i think they will just live like people from theyre generation wich is obviouslly not lie theyre father and grandmater generations...and obviouslly some of theyre actions will be seen diferent by the media and the public as well...
But honestlly i dont see THAT HUGE diference..i hink actually they will be diferent in some stuff coz of theyre ages and etc...but mostlly it will all be the same and especially about enjoyig the benefits of being royals... have the feeling as someone said they will use it even more than the older royals....
They will need some help anyway its ovious..but yeah again its the same crap...
Its all about marketing...they would love to be the new face and generation of the RF...but until the queen dies and his father dies...they will have to live according to theyre rules..and by that time they will be so ...used to the life that i believe seriouslly they wont change a thing...until there...maybe about 3% i bet!!!!!
And the sme way they got used to lo live like theyre parents...theyre childrens will get used to live like then..and thats wh the monarchy its like this until these days...its calles traditions....
they hardly dies...otherwise the monarchy wouldnt exists anymore....
they may be as modern as they want but still theyre no silly to send the help of housekeepers...and etc..etc..etc...they need it..they can afford it and they gonna used it until they get so used to it that its gonna be a part of theyre dailly life....simple as that...
the same old monarchy nothing new about it...
Ok maybe 3%
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:laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10: :laugh10:
Quote from: XeniaCasaraghi on June 09, 2011, 01:00:05 AM
Yeah, they definitely said one thing and did another; except the fact that they are still living in Anglesey where William works.
Not entirely true. William & Kate NEVER said anything personally. Neither did the palace. It was reported in the tabloids and the rest of the world got carried away. The original article said they would not have servants in their modest 4-bedroom farmhouse in Wales. That remains to be true. No one ever mentioned their London base, or the fact that they would move into Kensington Palace. From interviews of royal correspondents, it was clearly implied that they would definitely have household staff to run estates and palaces in the long run. There's just no way around it. But the media ran away with the shock of royals not having "servants" that many fail to mention that they were referring to Anglesey, where they live a normal life and don't appear in public. And seriously, it's silly for people to think any royal could get by doing official functions and touring countries without a skeleton household staff. Hiring a housekeeper-dresser is a good start, IMO. No surprises here. They will definitely need the help.
^ Yes, I agree.
They have let it be known that they are quite determined to have as little help as possible and they seem to be following through.
So far, they think they can get by with one housekeeper/dresser in 2 housing situations and that seems to be very reasonable.
Quote from: Sandra Dee on June 09, 2011, 03:27:57 AM
... But I have to admit, the article from the mirror was very well written. Especially this part- QuoteIn an age when everyone can express their opinion on everything to a worldwide online audience, we don't have the faintest idea what their values are. What are their political views? What music do they like? What did they think of the Britain's Got Talent final? We just don't know. Their facelessness is not only unsatisfying, but jarring in a world where individuality is so prized.
I agree too, Sandra Dee. A very astute comment.
I do wonder though what happened to their pre-marriage proclamation of not wanting household servants. They've only been married a short couple of months and dressers and housekeepers for one apartment are creeping in already. That's not to say anyone with a busy life or the money and desire to employ servants shouldn't do so if they wish, but it does jar with their alleged wish to keep domestic life low key and normal. Housekeepers are quite normal and common among many a British household, but certainly dressers are quite uncommon and a tad excessive imv - particularly for a young, capable couple.
I suspect the next 12-24 months will see many departures from the pre-marriage proclamations of modest, understated domestic arrangements. Now that the divisive economic slant of a costly royal wedding in austere times has passed, I get the feeling royal excess and indulgence will begin to creep into the domestic lives of Kate and William.
^^ But they've never said anything one way or the other. It was reported by a tabloid, probably truthfully, that they would not have staff in Anglesey. And they don't. It was always known that they would have to have a place to stay when in London. It was discussed here months ago. In London, they'll have a dresser/housekeeper (dual roles, one person, part-time). The "dresser" role is really one of laundry person, ironing clothes and such. I wouldn't expect them to have no help whatsoever in London, since I suspect when they're in London, they'll be there for public appearances, not for vacations. Their lives are more complicated than ours. While we might go to a party or a public event, we'll be seen by dozens (or generously, hundreds) of people. William and Kate will be on display ... seen by thousands or tens of thousands. Not a bad gig, until we remember that everything they do, say, and wear will be commented on.
Cindy
Quote from: Orchid on June 09, 2011, 09:47:52 AM
Quote from: Sandra Dee on June 09, 2011, 03:27:57 AM
... But I have to admit, the article from the mirror was very well written. Especially this part- QuoteIn an age when everyone can express their opinion on everything to a worldwide online audience, we don't have the faintest idea what their values are. What are their political views? What music do they like? What did they think of the Britain's Got Talent final? We just don't know. Their facelessness is not only unsatisfying, but jarring in a world where individuality is so prized.
I agree too, Sandra Dee. A very astute comment.
I agree, I liked that comment as well... although in the end, I guess I don't really care what their personal views are. They are figure-heads after all. As long as they act responsibly and don't do anything that would make them poor role-models, I don't need to know what their personal musical tastes are.
But anyway, I think I'm off-topic here :teehee:
I part-time household staff member to take care of things when they are in London is not over-the-top, IMO.
I'm in such a good mood today I can't be bothered to debate it - happy days everyone! :windsor1:
QuoteThe bottom line is that, despite the UK being a republic,...
The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy. :flower3:
:doublewave: Ok here I go again...but, but, but : Kate can supposedly do her own make-up on the most important day of her life, where apparently billions were watching / photographing and scrutinising her every move; but she can't sort out her own clothes for engagements whilst in London - it's not like the clothes have had to been put through the wash and tumbled dried and need to be ironed - there I've said it :whoohoo: be gentle with me - it's just a point :hug:
^ its okay...i feel the same...weird for someone who shops all the time
^ :hug: :hug:
The bright side is, she went to pick up her hat! for this Saturday?! :laugh:
Maybe she should get the Stylist to do her shopping-dressing according to royal protocol! or heck dress up like Princess Anne ;)
a stylist is sometimes needed for people who DONT have the time to shop....but surely she does... im on the fence about her having stylist 24/7
^^ What stylist - does she have one - sure that rumour was dismissed :shrug: - But yes I agree, Princess Anne looked a right old state, but that's her charm for me - what you see is what you get - as long as she keeps dedicating herself to her charitable work. Having said that, I still think Princess Anne's hairstyle needs to be updated - from the one she has sported for years.... :)
I agree, Kate's been doing it all by herself up to date and has had more hits than misses in the looks-media-public eye department.
Quote from: wannabe on June 09, 2011, 08:41:08 PM
I agree, Kate's been doing it all by herself up to date and has had more hits than misses in the looks-media-public eye department.
Agreed, yes she has, but you're making it sound like she has been 'running up' the outfits herself. Even at £175 (Obama handshake) that is still an expensive dress and tonight's one - well - even
more expensive.
she could afford it then and she can now
Who is paying for her clothes now - for official engagements?
^ is that a rhetorical question?
the public or idk...private bank accounts they have
No, I'm genuinely asking the question :hug:
^^ More than likely, the bills are being sent to William's secretary to be handled. Doesn't he share a secretary with Harry? William and Kate are a married couple now, they share everything ... just as the Queen and Prince Philip share everything. There was a phrase in the vows where he said, "...and all my worldly goods with thee I share". Counter 5:57 in this video from the Monarchy's YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFL4iyoi4s
She may, and probably does, have her own money, as well. But from here on in, her bills are his bills and vice-versa ... none of which are financed by the taxpayer.
Cindy
^ So where are all the millions from the taxpayers going then? - I'm sure Diana received an allowance for clothes for official occasions. At this rate, William's money won't last long.
I've posted it several times at different discussions in the running to the wedding. :flower3: In both royal websites are the expenses 2010, by September we should have available the expenses July 2010/June 2011 their closing fiscal year.
Clothing isn't part of the taxpayers, she must have been included in the Duchy of Cornwall allowance, plus his/her money.
^ :flower: I know you have - I'm such a little minx - one day I'll get round to reading it :blush:
but where do the royals get their private funds from....
^ The POW and his family the Duchy of Cornwall. Her Majesty (and her other children) via the Duchy of Lancaster.
QuoteThe Duchy of Cornwall is a private estate which funds the public, charitable and private activities of The Prince of Wales and his family. The Duchy consists of around 54,090 hectares of land in 23 counties, mostly in the South West of England.
The Duchy estate was created in 1337 by Edward III for his son and heir, Prince Edward, and its primary function was to provide him and future Princes of Wales with an income from its assets. A charter ruled that each future Duke of Cornwall would be the eldest surviving son of the Monarch and the heir to the throne.
The current Duke of Cornwall, HRH The Prince of Wales, is actively involved in running the Duchy and his philosophy is to improve the estate and pass it on to future Dukes in a stronger and better condition.
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 09, 2011, 10:53:02 PM
^ :flower: I know you have - I'm such a little minx - one day I'll get round to reading it :blush:
:hug:
duchy of lancaster?
The Queen and Prince Philip receive money from the Civil List. Here's from the Monarchy's website:
QuoteThis is the amount of money provided by Parliament to meet the official expenses of The Queen's Household, so that The Queen can carry out her role as Head of State and Head of the Commonwealth. The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh are the only members of the Royal Family to receive an annual parliamentary allowance.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHousehold/Royalfinances/Sourcesoffunding/TheCivilList.aspx
Also see the sidebar at the above website. It explains all the sources of income for the Queen. And, of course, money doesn't just sit idle ... money makes money.
William and Kate do not receive money from the Queen. (Nor did Charles and Diana.) William has his own money, and assumedly, so does Kate.
Cindy
Kate looks great!
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 09, 2011, 08:05:27 PM
:doublewave: Ok here I go again...but, but, but : Kate can supposedly do her own make-up on the most important day of her life, where apparently billions were watching / photographing and scrutinising her every move; but she can't sort out her own clothes for engagements whilst in London - it's not like the clothes have had to been put through the wash and tumbled dried and need to be ironed - there I've said it :whoohoo: be gentle with me - it's just a point :hug:
:lol: :hug: .... I share your sentiments too, sophiechloe. Never fear - you're not alone.
Point is, most clothes would be dry cleaned eliminating the need for laundry days. It seems unnecessary to me in light of her limited engagements thus far and her past history of DIY. However, it may be a case of becoming royal and therefore deeming such "help" necessitous for necessitous sake.
Yes, it is said that the 'corrected version' of position vacant is that of a 'housekeeper-dresser', in other words, basically a temporary maid to keep the Kensington Palace apartment clean, including washing the couples socks, underwear, non public and public photo op clothing, etc., whilst HRH Catherine, The Duchess of Cambridge (and her husband) meets up with David Manning, Helen Asprey, Jamie Lowther Pinkerton for the last minute face to face strategy of the days work.
Perhaps they skype :computer:
QuoteCorrections and clarifications
• An extract of an online opinion piece appeared in the newspaper, headlined Will and Kate's mask slips (9 June, page 31). It argued that while, pre-wedding, it was announced that the future Duke and Duchess of Cambridge would not be employing household staff, this image of modernity had now been "compromised by the news that they are advertising for a housekeeper, butler, valet and dresser to serve them in their new home of Kensington Palace". The couple's press secretary, Miguel Head, asks us to make clear that: "At most, they may employ one (a cleaner-cum-housekeeper), who may be part-time. We never 'announced' that the couple would 'not be employing any [domestic staff]' after their wedding. What we have always said is that the couple have no plans to employ domestic staff at their home in Anglesey, but in London they have use of domestic staff at Clarence House, the home that they have hitherto shared with the Prince of Wales. The additional one part-time, or one full-time, cleaner has come about because the couple are taking their own home in London away from Clarence House." Elsewhere the piece referred to "damaging stories of royal profligacy past: Charles with his staff of 150, and an aide to squeeze his toothpaste for him". Of this, Miguel Head writes: "The Prince of Wales does not employ and has never employed an aide to squeeze his toothpaste for him. This is a myth without any basis in factual accuracy."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/jun/14/corrections-clarifications
PCC is working, Accuracy article when asked to be corrected. :D
^^ There is no denial of the staff of 150, so I wonder if that includes staff working in the Highgrove gardens and the Duchy of Cornwall in general?
(What is PCC?)
Cindy
Thanks for that Guardian-printed correction, wannabe.
So William & Kate are to have only ONE staff (and possibly part time), and ONLY in London. And as Miguel Head mentioned, they NEVER said they wouldn't hire help in London. Clear as crystal. I am glad this one was sorted out. Because the press definitely twisted what was fact then accused the couple of not being true to their word. And Prince Charles does not have a toothpaste-squeezer. This tidbit has been so widely spread that I don't know how the damage can be ever repaired. How unfair it must be for him!
@cinrit: PCC = Press Complaints Commission.
Quote from: cinrit on June 14, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
^^ There is no denial of the staff of 150, so I wonder if that includes staff working in the Highgrove gardens and the Duchy of Cornwall in general?
(What is PCC?)
Cindy
:hi: PCC - Press Complaints Commission
see link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2003249/Kate-Middleton-Will-Duchess-Cambridge-feel-trapped-Princess-Dianas-prison.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2003249/Kate-Middleton-Will-Duchess-Cambridge-feel-trapped-Princess-Dianas-prison.html)
This answers what happened to the original apartments Charles and Diana had. The Royal Family must have expunged those apartments to remove the bitter taste of it all. It also stopped it becoming a shrine to Diana. This Palace has more ghosts than Hogwarts.
Thanks, BritishRoyals and sophiechloe. :blowkiss:
Cindy
Richard Palmer, Royal Correspondent, Daily Express claims the following, his source is said to be Jamie Lowther Pinkerton, St. James Palace
Quote@RoyalReporter
Richard Palmer
So, as far as we understand it, William and Kate will be doing their own washing up and ironing at their new Kensington Palace apartment.
3 minutes ago via web
@RoyalReporter
Richard Palmer
The couple's private secretary says it is his fault they advertised for a housekeeper/dresser. He was being presumptious.
4 minutes ago via web
@RoyalReporter
Richard Palmer
To be clear, Kate doesn't want a housekeeper/dresser at Kensington Palace because she says she doesn't need one.
27 minutes ago via web
@RoyalReporter
Richard Palmer
Kate and William's private secretary Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton says plans to recruit a housekeeper/dresser dropped because they don't need one
35 minutes ago via web
Interesting... thanks wannabe!
All the royal correspondents via twitter have the same claim, different wording. "SJP assumed they would need one" and the likes.
Jamie Lowther Pinkerton had a press conference this morning, confirmed by Peter Hunt from the BBC.
QuoteIn addition, Lowther-Pinkerton said that announced plans to hire a housekeeper and dresser in London had been dropped because the household workers are not needed while the couple's primary base is in Anglesey, Wales, where William serves as a Royal Air Force helicopter rescue pilot.
"That's been put on hold," he said. "It's not needed in the next couple of years."
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/06/15/general-eu-britain-royal-trip_8517375.html
There is no way that JL-P would have 'advertised' for staff off his own back - me smells a rat! They have read the backlash of criticism and back-peddled :king:
No wonder unemployment rate and a society of people living on benefits doing nothing. If your point is the majority of UK.
^ How easy it is the blame those at the bottom of the pile (they have it hard enough) and make constant excuses for those at the top :shrug:
If there is a so called 'backlash of criticism' due to a position vacant of a part time maid (Housekeeper-dresser), the analysis of an economist would be another slashed job, another unemployed mouth the government benefits have to feed, plus looking at UK's numbers...bleak.
From a political analyst it would equate to 'socialists', whom yes would complain about royals having a maid.
Now taking JLP's word, he assumed they would want one, and took the blame, more power to Kate (and William) if during the next 2 years, whilst in London they can manage. They would truly be the first royals to do so and people will endear more and faster.
Quote from: wannabe on June 15, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
If there is a so called 'backlash of criticism' due to a position vacant of a part time maid (Housekeeper-dresser), the analysis of an economist would be another slashed job, another unemployed mouth the government benefits have to feed, plus looking at UK's numbers...bleak.
From a political analyst it would equate to 'socialists', whom yes would complain about royals having a maid.
How many "unemployed mouth the government benefits have to feed" - would rock up and get the job? Please do tell? Typical - jobs for the boys
Quote from: wannabe on June 15, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
Now taking JLP's word, he assumed they would want one, and took the blame, more power to Kate (and William) if during the next 2 years, whilst in London they can manage. They would truly be the first royals to do so and people will endear more and faster.
Was JL-P paying the salary - no, how presumptuous of him :no: - "They can manage" - how big of them - for heavens sake! - We all have to manage. Thought they were the future of the Monarchy!. Only a few weeks ago some were making excuses why they needed staff! - Listen all I'm saying is why do some praise this rich beyond our wildest dreams family and at the same time criticise those at the bottom - who are just truing to get by - It's beyone me :cry:
Many would like to get that part time job. If you note, I was replying to your post number 193, where you stated "They have read the backlash of criticism and back-peddled", hence my 2 replies of possibilities of English people moaning for that slashed position vacant.
Quote from: wannabe on June 15, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
Many would like to get that part time job. If you note, I was replying to your post number 193, where you stated "They have read the backlash of criticism and back-peddled", hence my 2 replies of possibilities of English people moaning for that slashed position vacant.
Hi well read my post #197 - crossed paths :o
I think you're understanding the ups and downs of a supposed 'backlash of criticism and back-peddled'.
One seeks why would people criticise 1 position vacant for a part timer? The options are very narrow, what I've stated.
Anyway, whatever and which way each want to think about the in-depths of the slashed position vacant, towards the end it equates to more power for W&K, whom if they manage whilst in London without a part timer, they will be the first and the ordinary people will truly endear to that fact.
Quote from: wannabe on June 15, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
I think you're understanding the ups and downs of a supposed 'backlash of criticism and back-peddled'.
One seeks why would people criticise 1 position vacant for a part timer? The options are very narrow, what I've stated.
They
have pack-peddled. And JL-P has taken the blame - IMO.
Sorry but I don't understand your second sentence :blank: - Oh I get it now, but as I posted previously "who would rock up" for that full-time or indeed part-time position - what is the chance of an umeployed (benefit claiment) person getting that job ?- - Zilch. I still remain bemused why some would pick on the people at the bottom of the food chain, but make excuses = time and time again for others :shrug:
I'm not going to pick on anyone at the bottom of the food chain, but having hired "from within" several times, I'm going to explain why this is done. It gives existing employees a chance to move up to a better and better-paying job (usually). It encourages employees to grow within the system, therefore encouraging good job performance. The vacancy left by that employee is either filled by another internal hire or by someone from "the street". Either way, it filters down that there will be a vacancy for hires from outside the organization. So it doesn't take away jobs from anyone.
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on June 15, 2011, 08:58:54 PM
I'm not going to pick on anyone at the bottom of the food chain, but having hired "from within" several times, I'm going to explain why this is done. It gives existing employees a chance to move up to a better and better-paying job (usually). It encourages employees to grow within the system, therefore encouraging good job performance. The vacancy left by that employee is either filled by another internal hire or by someone from "the street". Either way, it filters down that there will be a vacancy for hires from outside the organization. So it doesn't take away jobs from anyone.
Cindy
Awww Cindy, You are the nicest person I've
never met :hug: - What a lovely and positive post :blowkiss:
Towards the end, no matter how each wish to dissect the fact that the couple will not have a maid, it equates to the fans and non-fans, a winning situation with the ordinary people.
Lets face it, some people didn't like the alleged 3 or 1 staff, now its 0, don't like it either. Got to analyse and narrow down the possibilities of why?
^ Never the twain :hug:
:flower3:
^ That means a lot to me Wannabe - it really does :vday4:
Don't ever leave us :blowkiss:
Quote from: Orchid on June 10, 2011, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 09, 2011, 08:05:27 PM
:doublewave: Ok here I go again...but, but, but : Kate can supposedly do her own make-up on the most important day of her life, where apparently billions were watching / photographing and scrutinising her every move; but she can't sort out her own clothes for engagements whilst in London - it's not like the clothes have had to been put through the wash and tumbled dried and need to be ironed - there I've said it :whoohoo: be gentle with me - it's just a point :hug:
:lol: :hug: .... I share your sentiments too, sophiechloe. Never fear - you're not alone.
Point is, most clothes would be dry cleaned eliminating the need for laundry days. It seems unnecessary to me in light of her limited engagements thus far and her past history of DIY. However, it may be a case of becoming royal and therefore deeming such "help" necessitous for necessitous sake.
:doublewave: :hug: - Thought I'd be shot down in flames!
Quote from: wannabe on June 15, 2011, 09:21:03 PM
Don't ever leave us :blowkiss:
:D - I won't - I'm a glutton for punishment :hug:
^ I was applying for a working Visa and the position vacant, now my 'haunted Kensington Palace' chances are gone. xD
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 15, 2011, 09:05:29 PM
Awww Cindy, You are the nicest person I've never met :hug: - What a lovely and positive post :blowkiss:
:love6: Sophiechloe, I really really like the new us. And I'm not just saying that because of the above post. :hug:
Cindy
QuoteStaff at St James's Palace have been forced to withdraw an internal advertisement for the post of 'housekeeper/dresser' – and admitted yesterday that they made a mistake.
Jamie Lowther Pinkerton, William and Kate's private secretary, said: 'I made a boob. It is the first time I have worked for a lady. It was a move on my behalf to create a structure that was based on what is traditional.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2003802/Kate-Middleton-forgoes-stylist-American-tour-Im-clothes-horse.html#ixzz1PRKNmVQK
Quote from: sophiechloe on June 15, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
Only a few weeks ago some were making excuses why they needed staff!
I still think that they will need some staff - part-time staff to ready their apartment ahead of a visit, and to ensure things are kept in order when they aren't there. They don't need someone around full time since KP is just a part-time residence, but I do think that a part-timer should have been hired to clean up the place before they arrive (change the sheets, give it a good dusting, etc), and to take care of things while they are using the apartment.
Edit to add: I'm going to have to read that article you posted wannabe - I can't believe that is a direct quote from JLP!
^^ I agree, but it might be that on those occasions, someone who already works at Clarence House might be assigned that task.
Cindy
Jenee, apparently he has taken the fault, it has been tweeted from royal correspondents as of yesterday's press meeting with JLP.
Tabloid, The Mirror speculates that the position vacant was scrapped, nobody wanted it because the annual pay was GBP 20T. That's about the payment for a part timer.
QuotePRINCE WILLIAM and Kate Middleton have "put on hold" plans to recruit servants – after no one wanted the jobs because the salaries being offered were too low.
The couple will move into Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace by the end of June.
And as the Mirror reported last week, adverts went up at Buckingham Palace for staff to help them. Among the jobs was a dresser for Kate.
But we can reveal at least two people who applied turned it down when they found out the salary was £20k a year – without accommodation.
The couple's Private Secretary, Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, said yesterday: "We are going to look at their lifestyle over the next two years before we decide who they need to help them."
Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/06/16/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-kensington-palace-servant-jobs-turned-down-over-low-wage-115875-23204244/#ixzz1PSHWzvIa
Well, I for one am confused. Which is it exactly? a) Kate doesn't need help and has changed her mind, b) JL-P cocked things up (surely he would never have advertised for staff without their say so first?), c) There was no job (part-time or other) as it is under review for the next two years??
Quote from: RoyalB on June 16, 2011, 04:48:22 PM
Well, I for one am confused. Which is it exactly? a) Kate doesn't need help and has changed her mind, b) JL-P cocked things up (surely he would never have advertised for staff without their say so first?), c) There was no job (part-time or other) as it is under review for the next two years??
You and me both RoyalB! - I'm with you on the latter part of point b). - Maybe the RF have learned lessons and are listening/taking on board public feelings :shrug: -
QuoteBut we can reveal at least two people who applied turned it down when they found out the salary was £20k a year – without accommodation
£20k per year for a PART TIME job is too LOW?! :faint: That is absolutely ridiculous! I know a number of people who work FULL TIME and make less than that. I'm absolutely flabbergasted.
Quote from: Jenee on June 16, 2011, 06:45:48 PM
QuoteBut we can reveal at least two people who applied turned it down when they found out the salary was £20k a year – without accommodation
£20k per year for a PART TIME job is too LOW?! :faint: That is absolutely ridiculous! I know a number of people who work FULL TIME and make less than that. I'm absolutely flabbergasted.
:) = for some part-time dusting! - the country has gone mad :chill:
Is there an easy way to find out what SJP and the various other sections of TRF say directly, instead of going by what the various tabloids say? Because this really just sound like made up filler from the Mirror.
^^^We rarely hear right from the palaces, the tabloids were truthful about the engagement and wedding.
The papers managed to be wrong about the engagement and wedding for many years before that though. And they've contradicted themselves enough times about other things that I don't trust what they say. If the courtiers behind the scenes were smart they would create a direct conduit to the people because the journalists are no longer their friends.
Quote from: Frets on June 17, 2011, 05:31:34 AM
The papers managed to be wrong about the engagement and wedding for many years before that though. And they've contradicted themselves enough times about other things that I don't trust what they say. If the courtiers behind the scenes were smart they would create a direct conduit to the people because the journalists are no longer their friends.
Co-sign! They press have like...a 1% batting average. It seems like they predicted a wedding every other day for nearly eight years.
HOUSEKEEPER? NO THANKS, I'LL DO THE CHORES INSISTS KATE MIDDLETON
QuoteKate, 29, has vetoed efforts by aides to find them help at their Kensington Palace apartment even though an advertisement had been placed within the Royal Household.
The decision follows criticism of the plans to expand their household at a time of austerity.
Aides said the royal couple were sensitive to economic difficulties in the country.
Their private secretary, Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, insisted the U-turn was down to him hastily advertising the job without consulting them properly.
"I made a boob is the truth of that one," he said, during a briefing yesterday about the couple's forthcoming tour of Canada and California.
"Perhaps that was a precipitous move on my part," the former SAS officer said. "It's the first time I have worked for a lady so we are still working out what structures and infrastructures are needed."
William, 28, and his wife plan to spend most of their time living as an ordinary service couple close to RAF Valley in Anglesey, North Wales, where the second-in-line to the throne works as a search and rescue helicopter pilot.
They have no live-in domestic help at the farmhouse they share, Âalthough it is understood they employ a part-time cleaner.
But Mr Lowther-Pinkerton, 50, had thought Kate – who until now has been able to use the services of Clarence House staff when in the capital – would need someone to keep the Kensington Palace apartment tidy and prepare her clothes when she was in London.
He (Jamie Lowther Pinkerton) and the couple have agreed to review the decision to put the post on hold after the summer.
Aides said the couple could yet recruit an orderly, or junior assistant, to help them prepare for their occasional official duties.
Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/252985/Housekeeper-No-thanks-I-ll-do-the-chores-insists-Kate-MiddletonHousekeeper-No-thanks-I-ll-do-the-chores-insists-Kate-Middleton#ixzz1PdoAvpJQ
The Daily Express sounds balanced and objective :thumbsup:
^It sounds to me like maybe JLP looked at the households of QEII and PC, and decided that William and Kate would need just about the same amount of help that they did. Hence-the "Help Wanted" ads.
I think that once Kate and William actually move into Kensington Palace, they may change their minds about having a maid and other servants-especially if Kate starts doing full-time royal duties. Of course, many people manage to have full-time jobs,families, and keep their houses clean and do the laundry, but I think most people wouldn't mind getting some extra help now and then
QuoteKensington Palace
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=115275207&EditorialProduct=Royalty#
QuoteThe Duke And Duchess Of Cambridge Announce Plans To Live In Apartments At Kensington Palace
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I would like to see a picture of the "modest apartment" (bet it's not modest at all)
^Some articles have pointed out the Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace, which would be No. 10 circled/marked in this aerial view.
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QuoteThis property is detached. We don't currently know how many bedrooms it has. It has been given an estimated current value, which is displayed above by the Mouseprice.com valuation system. According to Land Registry records, this property has not sold since January 1995.
QuoteKate and William have chosen their 'perfect home' as their London residence in the grounds of Kensington Palace
PRINCE William and his new bride have set up home in a little cottage in the grounds of Kensington Palace.
The pretty house, which is in a quiet spot in the palace complex, is said to be the "perfect home" for the newlyweds, who are keen to start a family. Reached through an archway, it has its own private garden and has been hand-picked by the couple as their new London residence.
Crates of their possessions Âarrived at the cottage on Thursday, we can reveal. Boxes and suitcases were piled up on the lawn outside the house Âbefore being Âcarried in by staff. Wills, who turns 29 on Tuesday, and Kate, 29, made a final Âdecision on the cottage earlier this month Âafter they were given a choice of properties in the grounds of the Âpalace.
An Âinsider said: "There was a lot of Âexcitement on Thursday. "This is them setting up home as a married couple.
"It's an Âabsolutely smashing little house. It's so quiet there you'd never think you were in the middle of ÂLondon."
The Duke and ÂDuchess of Cambridge will officially take up Âresidence at the Âcottage when they Âarrive back from their 11-day tour of Canada and America next month.
They will keep their small home in ÂAnglesey, North Wales, where William is based as a search-and-rescue pilot. And they will also have an apartment in the main palace.
Until now, the couple's London base has been Clarence House in the bachelor flat William Âpreviously shared with younger brother Prince Harry, 26.
The source added: "The cottage is the perfect house to start their new lives Âtogether until they have a family and need a bigger space."
Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/06/19/kate-and-william-have-chosen-their-perfect-home-as-their-london-residence-in-the-grounds-of-kensington-palace-115875-23211066/#ixzz1Pie0AChj
QuoteThe Dukes of Cambridge up residence in London in a house located next to Kensington Palace
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QuoteA nest for royal newlyweds?
With its 16th-century waterwheel and private polo ground, Old Hayward farmhouse is an ideal retreat for a young prince. And if the talk of locals is anything to go by, it could soon become a home for newlyweds Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge.
The property, in Hungerford, Berks, was the home of Lucy and Jonathan Chenevix-Trench, until the couple announced they were upping sticks and moving to Worcestershire.
Sculptress Lucy, 41, the younger daughter of Prince Harry's godfather Gerald Ward who died three years ago, has inherited the 128-room Madresfield Court, a crenellated, moated pile near Malvern and the inspiration for Evelyn Waugh's Brideshead Revisited.
Until recently, Madresfield has been occupied by Lucy's mother, Prince Charles's one-time close friend Rosalind, Lady Morrison, who was Ward's first wife. But Rosalind is 'retiring' to a smaller house on the estate and Lucy and husband Jonathan, 50, the former chairman of Morgan Stanley, are moving in.
Says a Berkshire local: 'Lucy's farm-house is lovely and of course familiar to the royals. It is ideally situated for William and Kate near Kate's parents' home, near the M4 and yet completely private.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008804/David-Camerons-aide-Gabby-Bertin-love-split.html#ixzz1QbxgVXzC
Quote from: marine2109 on June 18, 2011, 03:41:07 PM
QuoteKensington Palace
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Thanks Marine, that was great.
There doesn't seem to be much available on the web about Nottingham Cottage. It is always described as "cozy", with a small private walled garden, and also very private as the entrance to NC was thru an arch. I think that senior staff previously lived there, but the staff person moved into the palace proper, and therefore NC was vacant. I also saw on the web that the aerial view publicized everywhere with numbers of the various buildings and apts may or may not show NC correctly. For where is the arch? and where is the walled garden?
If any super sleuths come up pictures of Nottingham Cottage (interior or exterior), please share!
I think this is just awesome! I read that they have said that what servants can do for them they can do themselves and they do. They cook , clean etc for themselves. At this point servants would ruin the intimacy of their relationship which makes sense to me.
But the question is just how long will these two be able to go without servants especially when their kids arrive.
I don't think this will last if this story is true. COnsidering that they are royal family members and William is a future King think they have some help. If they want to be truly normal and "just like everyone else, they would have to drop out of the line of succession, Wills gives up his fortune and they dispense with any help including security guards.
Quote from: sandy on July 18, 2011, 08:36:51 PM
If they want to be truly normal and "just like everyone else, they would have to drop out of the line of succession, Wills gives up his fortune and they dispense with any help including security guards.
I agree, but that will never happen, he enjoys the trappings of royalty far too much IMO and that's what attracted Kate to him too.
QuoteWilliam and Kate move into a 'modest' Kensington Palace flat
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have finally moved into Kensington Palace, their first official royal residence as a married couple.
They have chosen to embark on married life in a 'modest' apartment in the palace where William once lived with his late mother.
Until now, William and Kate have used the Clarence House apartment that the prince shared with his brother, Prince Harry, when in London.
But senior royal sources confirmed the Cambridges had moved all their furniture into the renovated Palace apartment and stayed there for a couple of nights last week.
The couple, both 29, consider their rented farmhouse on the island of Anglesey as their main home.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2016286/Prince-William-Kate-Middleton-modest-Kensington-Palace-flat.html#ixzz1SYEGuhFI
QuoteIf they want to be truly normal and "just like everyone else, they would have to drop out of the line of succession, Wills gives up his fortune and they dispense with any help including security guards.
I agree, but that will never happen, he enjoys the trappings of royalty far too much IMO and that's what attracted Kate to him too.
:goodpost: Thank you so much to both of you for saying that aloud! I couldn't agree more. The more I see of Wills and Kate the more I am sick and tired of them.
They're here to stay. :xmarksit:
Wish I had a modest apartment like the one at KP.
QuoteRoyal newlyweds move into his childhood home Kensington Palace
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/201107195789/prince-william-kate-middleton-duchess-of-cambridge-kensington-palace/
Small 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom flat is what was described. I thought they were moving into Nottingham Cottage. In England can a flat sometimes be a small house? I don't see how they could or would be moving into both a small apartment somwhere in the palace proper and also into the cottage which is, well, a cottage and on the grounds behind the palace. Seems to me it is either / or and not both.
I do think it is possible that Nottingham Cottage, which has been described as cozy, has only 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom. Also that it had asbetsos and antique wiring.
QuoteThe Dukes of Cambridge move into a modest apartment at Kensington Palace
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Quote from: KitCat on July 19, 2011, 01:06:01 PM
QuoteIf they want to be truly normal and "just like everyone else, they would have to drop out of the line of succession, Wills gives up his fortune and they dispense with any help including security guards.
I agree, but that will never happen, he enjoys the trappings of royalty far too much IMO and that's what attracted Kate to him too.
:goodpost: Thank you so much to both of you for saying that aloud! I couldn't agree more. The more I see of Wills and Kate the more I am sick and tired of them.
I agree. She is pretty, but there is no substance to her - she just comes across as a pretty doll next to a handsome = male doll :(
William and Kate move into a 'modest' Kensington Palace flat
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2016286/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-modest-Kensington-Palace-flat.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2016286/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-modest-Kensington-Palace-flat.html)
Sorry if this is already posted but I don't think anyone else posted it. IMO as well- I think critics of this article are reading too much into their own expectations of the word "modest" as I'm sure compared to what else is available (or could be made available) IS modest. This IS a palace we're talking about! Regardless- I hope they are happy there even if it is temporary. :hug:
QuoteWilliam and Kate moves into the prince's childhood home
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Ok, I agree with sophie, sandy, kit, Yale, and others.
I think the truth is one in the middle.
TPTB and even KnW want to present them as a regular couple, newlywed, future KnQ of E, yet just ordinary.
I get it. Do you?
GREAT PR!! Badly needed pr. So much good pr for the BRF 's future is resting on Prince William, Princess Kate, Prince Henry and his future wife.
So far, so good with WnK.
That's pr. Fluff. Little half-truths the public is eating it up. In the current British economy, it looks good to have have WnK look outwardly not so , so ROYAL!!! We are talking about how much help they have or don't...are we not? The media is. The people , their subjects are. People are really thinking these two lil newlyweds are living like a London cab driver and his shop girl wife. LOL!!! Mission accomplished!!
I appauld K-W for being r in 2011. Being 28,29 yrs. old. Acting young like they are. Living like a young couple . Acting relatable. I said acting. LOL. They are taking their royalness in stride. I am listening to myself. That sounds stupid. THEY are royal. PW has been r all his life. K is now ROYAL and will be for the rest of her life.
These are not regular people.
In reality, WnK will have servants. They do. K is not going to be doing daily, mundane household chores. Be real. She may not have a full staff, huge staff as it is not needed right now . As their life and years move on, the kids coming, more royal duties, more staff. Naturally.
In their Kennsington Cottage, she has at least one full-time maid. K may not have her own office staff in place YET, but surely hers is being assembled. As her royal duties ,solo and with PW, increase, she will need her own office staff. As of now, her royal correspondance, pr, invitations, bills, etc. goes through PW's staff, I would guess.
Having help, a housekeeper is not a big deal. I know regular middle-class/upper-middle class people who hire gardners, someone to come in and clean a few days a week, childcare, use a car service.
I have a gardner.
I agree with sophie and kittoo about line of succession. Substance should be what TPTB work on next. How long can WnK,esp.K, use the cutesy image. Their glam engagments were a success. Their Canada-LosAngeles tour as a success. Now,what? They,esp. K, needs to take on some meaty, unglam charities.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/kate-bought-1500-in-air-fresheners-for-kensington-palace-cottage-2011207
Kate ordered $1,500 worth of air freshners.
It is a centuries old place...probably opened for cleaning, renovations.
That is nothing considering the renovation costs of the latest KP works.
And wannabe, you are right. :goodpost: The British public will not know that and doesn't need too.
The fact that we keep hearing about musty smells and such- I wonder if their apartment has no windows- or if the windows don't open? I can't imagine living somewhere I couldn't get a fresh breeze if I wanted it!
Yeah Nite. Maybe it "musty" from being closed and unused other than for routine cleanings and renovations. Perhaps,the structure itself needs some airing out and cleaning like stripping the floors of rugs/carpets down to the pavement, the walls down to the studs....if possible. It is a centuries old palace. Perhaps open windows for hours. Maybe the venilation is not so good. Air ducts? Air freshners can only do so much by masking an odor.
Even if it is from being closed up- the smell should dissipate very quickly with windows open and a good breeze. That leads me to believe that there isn't such great air flow. However- I'm sure they weren't thinking of ventilation when it was built back in the 17th century!
Quote from: Nitefeatherz on July 20, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
The fact that we keep hearing about musty smells and such- I wonder if their apartment has no windows- or if the windows don't open? I can't imagine living somewhere I couldn't get a fresh breeze if I wanted it!
the fact that we keep hearing nonsense articles about KP is because now with W an K out of the spot light, newspapers write anything to keep milking the money-making-cow W an K became after their wedding/canadaLa tour
QuoteViews of Kensington Palace
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/IpWxieyvsGn/Views+of+Kensington+Palace
I don't quite understand all the furor of W&K hiring staff. As far as I'm concerned they would be making jobs for other people. First they're hiring then they are not.....which is it?
The FACT is they shall have staff when in London. I daresay these staff members will be drawn from a pool of those who are already employed at KP.
Palaces are not for putting one's feet up, switching on the box and watching Britain's Got Talent. They are working homes which will enable W&K to social network. If business men are expecting to depart with sums of monies by way of donations etc...then they require to be wined, dined and feted.
W&K will do this when in London and wherever they set up a real home. PC has Highgrove in which he consistently invites charity workers and people from the business community and entertainment industries. He also invites regular members of the regiments and other armed forces of which he is head of. Still despite this, he had built in the grounds of Highgrove an auditorium where he can hold charity concerts by special invitation and functions which can cater to a larger number than Highgrove could sustain. He entertains a great deal and virtually most of it is in aid of the Princes Trust and it's many aspects.
William will at some point have to take up full time royal duties and that is when he too shall be required to follow suit.
The fact that they would only hire one person instead of 5 or 20 in my opinion doesn't denote a modernised monarchy. That is something altogether different. We shall never be like those bicycling monarchies by virtue of the scrapes we get ourselves in and the security nightmares which ensue. Never forget, Princess Anne has survived a kidnap attempt and the Earl of Mountbatten was blown sky high along with other members of his family. Mountbatten wasn't even a Royal in receipt of the civil list.
W&K as time goes on will take on patronages of many charities, shall be appointed heads of regiments, squadrons and a battleship (although the way our Navy is being reduced I daresay once or two rowboats can be found for them to launch), they shall also be required to meet with many representatives of the Commonwealth. Then as a future King, William will get to know serving members of the government, serving members of the House of Lords, Queen's Counsel members and other legal representatives in the capacity of future Head of the Government. William will also be required to meet members of the Clergy as future Head of the Church of England as well as other religious denominations. All this is done in a single visit and shaking of hands. It will entail invitations to lunch, tea, dinner. There shall be conferences large and small where all manner of refreshments are served. There is no bringing your own bottle or tray of food. All this has to be organised and catered for.
Of course they are going to need staff so what on earth is ALL the fuss about. I happen to think that despite several documentaries showing behind the scenes of several palaces it demonstrates to me that either members of the media couldn't be bothered to watch and learn OR they are aiming deliberately below the belt by attempting to fill their readers with indignation, sell newspapers filled with articles of zero research.
Interesting programme I watched on the History Channel yesterday evening. It was about the American Presidents. It's a US made documentary and it said though no one knows for sure how much the cost of the Presidency really is, the cost is spread out over 12 government departments and is estimated to cost One and-a-half billion a year. Now I totally accept our royals do not have anywhere near the responsibility a President has, but it does show the kind of support and staff required to oil the machines at the White House.
I think they should have staff and of course they will and have already. They are senior royals and of course would need to have people helping them with maintenance of their homes, security, consultants on wardrobes and other related matters, correspondence, arranging menus, and for Kate, a lady in waiting to help advise her on protocol (since Kate is new to the Firm). I think it unrealistic to think Kate and Wills will go without servants or help. However the press spins their being like the "rest of us" they are decidedly not. Even though Kate pushed a cart around in a store, she still had protection officers surrounding her.
Hail hail Hale! :notworthy:
You really spelled it out. I agree. I am not British.
What is the big deal about WnK having staff. They do and will as their lives,duties increase.
I have watched some shows about Amer. pres. too. the USA presidents have to pay for their own personal grocery bill, clothing, and education for kids (Bush's daughter's,Obama's girls).
After term in office is over, the former PofTUSA has secret service, but pays for their onw personal living-home, vacations, children's wedding (Chelsey C., Jenna B.) etc.
Sidenote from me-I am glad I don't live under a monarchy and then govt. too. Being under the GOP and Dems is bad enough.
:thanks: FanDianaFancy
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However the press spins their being like the "rest of us" they are decidedly not. Even though Kate pushed a cart around in a store, she still had protection officers surrounding her.
Sadly I totally agree. :truce: The press spin is silly, but that's the press and if there are any courtiers trying to convince the ordinary working person that W&K are just like everyone else then frankly they need a reality check. :loco:
Quote from: sandy on July 21, 2011, 03:48:05 PM
I think they should have staff and of course they will and have already. They are senior royals and of course would need to have people helping them with maintenance of their homes, security, consultants on wardrobes and other related matters, correspondence, arranging menus, and for Kate, a lady in waiting to help advise her on protocol (since Kate is new to the Firm). I think it unrealistic to think Kate and Wills will go without servants or help. However the press spins their being like the "rest of us" they are decidedly not. Even though Kate pushed a cart around in a store, she still had protection officers surrounding her.
I agree. The grocery thing was pr,pr,great pr,staged,discussed...
K did not buy any "personal" items. With cameras all around, that would not have been good.
She was not just a regular shopper .
Hale and sandy,this also goes back to Kate the commoner,the ordinary girl, from the media's spin....
Yes, she was not born of the nobility, but this is not some ordinary girl.
An ordinary girl would nver have been in W's world to socialize with him.
I love the stories of the pr spin, the media,and even TPTB, but I don't like when people actually believe the stories and the media doesn't put forth the flipside of the story.
Really,Sophie Ryhs Jones was an ordinary girl. However, she married PE (way down the line), their careers, them following all of his siblings failed marriages,etc. Different story.
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Quote from: FanDianaFancy on July 21, 2011, 04:27:41 PM
I agree. The grocery thing was pr,pr,great pr,staged,discussed...
K did not buy any "personal" items. With cameras all around, that would not have been good.
She was just a regular shopper .
I don't think the pictures of Kate going into the grocery store was PR, but I'm sure the paparazzi was laying in wait, hoping that she would show up eventually. Perhaps someone told them that this was the particular store she frequented. We don't know what she bought, specifically, since the paparazzi weren't allowed to photograph her inside the store, but one onlooker said that she'd bought "basics" and "a few special items", speculating that she was might be preparing for an intimate meal.
Cindy
It was confirmed by various renowned photographers that there were paparazzi's stationed in every possible supermarket, restaurant and pub in Anglesey, not much choices.
WTH! Are you kidding me? That had to be horrible for the people who live there.
Since the grocery shopping pic made it to international media outlet, I think it screamed Staged photo op. Otherwise, it would have been quickly withdrawn from media circulation or shown very little.
^^ I don't get that logic. Hundreds of pictures of well-known people are taken without their consent while they're out and about. Take a look in any magazine, tune into any news or entertainment show. You'll see pictures of people in the news ... pictures that obviously are not photo ops. Not everything is PR, and not everything is set up. If Kate is out in public, there's nothing she can do if someone snaps her picture and puts it in a tabloid or a magazine or the evening news ... national or international.
Cindy
It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. The Brangelinas had a similar shopping expedition photo op that was circulation internationally. I think the rich and famous make statements via photo ops. To me the kate pic screamed photo op. It was a chance for her PR to show she was a "housewife supporting William" or whatever was spun at the time.
William also had several staged photo ops IMO with Kate including the kissing outside the pub one that not so coincidentally (IMO) came out after the headlines about Kate's uncle--it to me was a way for William to show that the Uncle stories didn't matter to him.
^^ You're entitled to your opinion, but trust me, everything that the rich and famous are photographed doing is not done for the sake of their fans (or their distractors). Sometimes they just do what it is that people do. Groucho Marx said once, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
Cindy
Let's get back on topic please :thumbsup:
I really don't care how many people are hired onto W&K staff-I imagine that they will need a few people, and like Hale said, it's jobs that otherwise wouldn't be available, so how could it be a bad thing?
What I don't like is this spin that's coming through the media (whether from the palace, or William/Kate, or the imaginations of the tabloids) that try to paint W&K like the rest of us. They're not, so stop trying to "humble" them through these stories. Let their actions speak for themselves
Quote from: Lothwen on July 21, 2011, 09:41:08 PM
What I don't like is this spin that's coming through the media (whether from the palace, or William/Kate, or the imaginations of the tabloids) that try to paint W&K like the rest of us.
Well said :thumbsup:
Thanks sophiechloe :hug:
QuoteWhat I don't like is this spin that's coming through the media (whether from the palace, or William/Kate, or the imaginations of the tabloids) that try to paint W&K like the rest of us. They're not, so stop trying to "humble" them through these stories. Let their actions speak for themselves
^ That's what brought the tidbit off topic but to the point of Catherine doing the supermarket shopping.
Quote from: XeniaCasaraghi on July 21, 2011, 07:13:46 PM
WTH! Are you kidding me? That had to be horrible for the people who live there.
No, I'm not kidding, after the bridge (the supermarket thread is in the W&K board), there are only 2 large supermarkets. The Anglesey people love the couple so to speak, the Island is in the worldwide tourism map, many (the few only!) restaurant and pub owners spoke, like random citizens and small shop owners! Think about it this way, the couple travelled 60 miles to go to the nearest cinema!
I don't think the image of "being like the rest of us" will last very long. Their wedding was broadcast and millions watched it and Kate had a huge wardrobe and changed outfits frequently and was on magazine covers practically every week. Something that the rest of us don't experience.
Apparently the 2 bedroom "flat" in KP is Nottingham Cottage.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/kate-bought-1500-in-air-fresheners-for-kensington-palace-cottage-2011207
I think that this is not a luxury apartment like the one Prince and Princess Michael have. 2 bedrooms, 1 bathroom and Kate bought throw pillows and air freshners...Sounds like the furniture was already there and the place was closed up for a few years. Hence, the overpowering musty smell.
I hope that someone has been given the responsibility of going over to the cottage every day it isn't raining and opening the windows. Perhaps steam cleaning the couch and rugs will help with the smell?
Sorry, don't mean to take this thread off topic, but I must respond to this quote of cinrit's.
QuoteHundreds of pictures of well-known people are taken without their consent while they're out and about. Take a look in any magazine, tune into any news or entertainment show
Cinrit, your right of course, but things have changed over here thanks to the European Court of Human Rights. I always assumed that anyone standing in a public area is entitled to be papped, but there are arguments against this. It's a fine line. Not only that photographers are up in arms about not even being able to photograph certain buildings.
This will give you a little taste of what I mean. (http://photographernotaterrorist.org/)
LucyOfTheSky Thanks for the link. As for the article I find this absurd: $1458
I know everything has increased in price, but Glade and Ambi-Pur are not THAT expensive. Not even the 3 fresh fragrances.
Quote from: Hale on July 22, 2011, 08:11:12 PM
Sorry, don't mean to take this thread off topic, but I must respond to this quote of cinrit's.
QuoteHundreds of pictures of well-known people are taken without their consent while they're out and about. Take a look in any magazine, tune into any news or entertainment show
Cinrit, your right of course, but things have changed over here thanks to the European Court of Human Rights. I always assumed that anyone standing in a public area is entitled to be papped, but there are arguments against this. It's a fine line. Not only that photographers are up in arms about not even being able to photograph certain buildings.
This will give you a little taste of what I mean. (http://photographernotaterrorist.org/)
Thanks, Hale. I didn't mean "anyone", actually ... I meant anyone well-known, a celebrity, who is out in public, can be photographed. That is no longer true?
Cindy
I heard European paps are worse than American paps. I hate both sets no matter what and how they treat human beings. Ive also heard that some people think the mania with the royal family from the paps is due to Diana. Im not blaming her, but I read somewhere that it started with her and unfortunately hasn't stopped.
Quote from: XeniaCasaraghi on July 22, 2011, 11:43:44 PM
I. Ive also heard that some people think the mania with the royal family from the paps is due to Diana. Im not blaming her, but I read somewhere that it started with her and unfortunately hasn't stopped.
there was a lot of interest before Diana but yes I htink that the mania really started with her. not her fault, it was just that she had a quality that made her very photogenic and very popular. And as a mag editors said a photo of he on the cover in the 80s would just increase sales and people didn't seem to get bored iwht her face... but it was a bad thing in that it meant SHE was under huge pressure from the media. The RF were worried that such emphasis on her as a photo opp was trivialising the monarchy, Chas was jealosu that his seriosu speeches got much less coverage than her new hairdo.. and worst of all I think it was very hard, once the heat was on, for hte couple to keep hteir marital problems private with so much media snooping..
Katie Nicholl
QuoteNot your average two-bed cottage... William and Kate get 'starter home' in Kensington Palace grounds
It is the sort of starter home any newlywed couple might move into - a cosy two-bedroom cottage with a couple of snug reception rooms and small yard.
The only difference is that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's first marital home is in Kensington Palace... and is only a temporary base before the couple decide on much more majestic London accommodation.
The Royal couple last week moved into Nottingham Cottage, or Nott Cott as insiders call it, which was previously occupied by Princess Diana's sister Lady Jane Fellowes and her husband Sir Robert Fellowes, the Queen's former secretary.
They are currently deciding on a permanent London base, and are tipped to take Apartment 1a in Kensington Palace, a lavish 19-room suite that was once the home of the late Princess Margaret.
The couple reportedly also considered Apartments 8 and 9, the former marital home of Charles and Diana where William grew up, but Kate is said to have been uncomfortable with the idea.
'They have been to look around Margaret's apartment and like it very much,' said a source.
Apartment 1a, which is packed with priceless antiques, currently belongs to the Historic Royal Palaces which uses the space for exhibitions and offices. It has been open to the public since 2004.
If William and Kate decide to make the residence their home, it will have to be returned to the Royal Household.
A spokesman for the couple confirmed that Princess Margaret's former home is 'one of the options' being considered for their London home.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018127/William-Kate-starter-home-Kensington-Palace-grounds.html#ixzz1SycVg5IK
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Quote from: amabel on July 23, 2011, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: XeniaCasaraghi on July 22, 2011, 11:43:44 PM
I. Ive also heard that some people think the mania with the royal family from the paps is due to Diana. Im not blaming her, but I read somewhere that it started with her and unfortunately hasn't stopped.
there was a lot of interest before Diana but yes I htink that the mania really started with her. not her fault, it was just that she had a quality that made her very photogenic and very popular.
IMO- the media invasion really started in the 80's/90's right about when Diana was being added to the Royal Family. That's when computers started being big, that's when the Internet started being available...the Internet is really what made information widely available to EVERYONE. By the time it was going strong Diana was hugely popular so it was natural that people would want to know more about her.
IMO- it would have happened eventually regardless of whether Diana decided to marry Prince Charles or told him to go take a hike and become a kindergarten teacher- the media invasion that the Royal Family currently suffers under, once the Internet was born, was inevitable. Diana was just a convenient main target at the time because of her popularity.
Going back to the main topic at hand- I don't think I ever realized Kensington Palace was such a complex building! From the aerial view you can see different wings. Wow. :eyes: I would so totally get lost...
I think that the media mania about Di started long before the net became popular.. (though I was something of a late starter with knowing about it). I think Di died before EVERYONE cottoned on to internet this and that. but the media used what tools were available at the time... such as buying up people's tapes of phone calls etc. Possibly they did a bit of listening in themselves.. but I think that its only since everyone has a Mobile that this hacking stuff has started...
but while they may have targeted the current RF, I don't think that they are popular enough nowadays to really warrang the media going after them in the way they did after Di. There's a certain amount of interest but nothing like the crazy interest in Evertyhign Di did....
^^ True, amabel. I worked for a major computer company in the 80's and 90's, and we didn't know anything about the Internet in the 80's. It didn't become generally used by the public until the mid-90's, not long before the time Diana died, and even then, it was in it's infant days. The media just picked up on Diana because she was instantly recognized as someone serious in Charles' life. Before Diana, I don't remember the word "paparazzi" being used, and I don't remember the media being as intrusive before Diana. But remember, the Royal Family wasn't nearly as popular ("popular" meaning "interest in"), at least in the U.S., before Diana. Even with Diana, it took awhile before the public here took more than a general interest. Who knows if William and Kate will bring back that kind of interest?
Cindy
I just don't think so. They are popular up to a point here, but I think it is more because they just had a big royal wedding, they are both young and attractive... but I don't see the beginning of Kate mania like there was Di mania". and the fact that K has been around in W's life for so long means that she's well become a bit of a bore before she even married him!
I just don't think either of them is likely to win that kind of popularity, they don't have the personality for it.
and I have a feeling that perhaps the RF seems now to be more pouplar in the USA than it is here.... I see pics of Kate soemtimes and pics of Camilla but she certanly isn't in the news every week like Di used ot be.....
amabel i hope you're right....i hope the interest in their private life will be smaller than the one with Charles and Diana. I think the most space they give them, more this marriage has the possibility to work out.
ps sorry i'm a bit off topic :flower:
I gotta say it - Nottingham Cottage has a very cute name, but the place looks absolutely ghastly to actually live in.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/14/article-2003249-0C8C757000000578-320_964x821.jpg
First of all, it is extremely small. Take a look at the size of the cars and compare them to the size of the cottage. The second floor looks like it has slanted ceilings on steroids. It has two, not one pitched roofs, which means that both rooms upstairs have slanted ceilings on both sides, reducing the liveable space. It has two windows across the back, which means the width of the house is quite narrow, by modern standards. The length doesn't look like much either. It looks like 3, or possibly 4, windows long. Cozy, eh?
Second, it appears to have car parking lots on 1 1/2 sides and a road on 1 side. It is hard to tell from the photo what the white blob in the grass on the right is, but it sure looks like a car to me. It is also close to the other buildings back there, which are likely in use either as offices or housing for staff. Privacy could be an issue for the royal couple.
Third, it is apparently furnished with old furniture. Kate famously bought some air freshners and throw pillows. I have not read a single report that they bought a couch or a table or a lamp. Obviously such things are needed, so apparently the couple are using old stuff. (Hence the air freshners).
So, the future King and Queen are moving into a tiny apt that lacks privacy and is full of old furniture that someone else picked out. Wow. I know that some people don't like the monarchy, but why haven't those that do raised a little ruckas?
Air fresheners and throw cushions - for now maybe. Kate has not waited for eight years to live in anything but splendor - IMO.
They personally chose their living quarters, and they decided on something small. I don't understand what the complaints are about.
Cindy
I don't think any apartment there is truly "small" in every sense of the word.
"Small" to us would be a studio apartment, but by the definitions in their world, Nottingham Cottage is "small".
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on July 24, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
They personally chose their living quarters, and they decided on something small. I don't understand what the complaints are about.
Cindy
i think that's the more private also....and it's only temporary...and just for the two of them, who doeasn't even leave there every day..i think it's more than perfect. BTW aren't 19 rooms too much? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Rachel Mc. on July 24, 2011, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: cinrit on July 24, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
They personally chose their living quarters, and they decided on something small. I don't understand what the complaints are about.
Cindy
i think that's the more private also....and it's only temporary...and just for the two of them, who doeasn't even leave there every day..i think it's more than perfect. BTW aren't 19 rooms too much? :rolleyes:
I imagine some of the rooms would be kids rooms and guest rooms. I heard they need alot of space for entertaining important people (for royal occasions).
Maybe Kate would invite her family over perhaps when Wills is away working.
QuoteCharles's Spanish tile tycoon friend 'fitted out William's home with luxury ceramics as wedding gift'
A Spanish tycoon with close links to Prince Charles is embroiled in fresh controversy in the wake of claims his company fitted out the Duke and
Duchess of Cambridge's new London home with luxury tiles.
Manuel Colonques, 68, chairman of multi-million-pound tiling giant Porcelanosa, apparently boasted in an interview published by Spain's respected El Mundo newspaper: 'We gave Prince William as a wedding gift all of the ceramics in his London home, but our products are also in Highgrove, in Clarence House and in St James's.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023205/Charles-s-Spanish-tile-tycoon-friend-fitted-William-s-home-luxury-ceramics-wedding-gift.html#ixzz1UIK27YFB
QuoteThanks, Hale. I didn't mean "anyone", actually ... I meant anyone well-known, a celebrity, who is out in public, can be photographed. That is no longer true?
Cinrit, Naomi Campbell successfully sued the press for papping her outside her rehab clinic. It's all a question of privacy. I'm having problems understanding it myself. Also have you noticed that there are many pics of Kate which never make it to the British newspapers? Apparently, Princess Caroline kicked it all off by taking a publication to the ECHR and it's devolved from there.
:thanks: for the link wannabe. Though you would like to see what Porcelanosa (http://www.porcelanosa.com/uk/wall_tiles/ceramic_tiles.php) looks like. I think their tiles are sublime.
^^ Thanks, Hale. I remember hearing something about that, but I didn't know the full story. There are a few celebrities here who have sued The National Enquirer for slander, and won.
Cindy
cinrit, over here celebs were fair game, but more and more of them are using the European Court of Human Rights via the privacy laws. I think in the States the laws lean more to the media.
^ Magnificent!
http://www.porcelanosa.com/uk/floor_tiles/natural_stone.php
Yes Wannabe. When I win the lottery, I'll commission them to furbish my bathroom in my specially purpose built new home. Of course the pool area will also require tiling. :hehe:
I love the mosaic, very expensive, and to place the little tiny squares, one by one. But when completed, its like art, very tasteful.
What's the big deal about Kate buying cushions and air-fresheners/scented candles?
I buy stuff like that all the time.
@Lindelle: I think the concern is that she bought candles that cost $39 each, and she bought about a dozen of them. I think the total price spent was almost $1000 (and I do believe it's US dollars, not UK prices)
But, she bought them with her funds, not tax payer funds, so I don't think it matters how much she spent on candles!
When you read the story about the tiles, you discover that the tile guy denied installing tiles in Nottingham Cottage for the Prince and Duchess. The denial makes a lot of sense to me because why would they want these expensive tiles in a temporary apartment?
I did a little more research on Nottingham Cottage. The more recent tenants of the cottage were as follows:
Mrs. Crawford, former governess of the Queen lived there for a while after she retired. Then there was Lady Jane and her husband. She was Princess Diana's sister and her husband was the Queen's former secretary. The last tenant was Nicholas Napier, who was the son of the Queen's private secretary. He was booted out for running his construction business out of the cottage, which is forbidden in the lease. The media publicized this in 1998, so the apt has been vacant for over 10 years - hence the musty smell. I did not read any reports of furniture being moved into the cottage - merely boxes of possessions....so I think the apt is furnished. I suspect that the electrical renovation and the asbetsos removal and the paint job merely brought it to a minimal standard of habitability. I suspect the candles, air freshners, and pillows were to bring it up to liveable condition.
Pictures and descriptions of Kate shopping do get tiresome IMO. Who cares? Kate should take on a charity and be known for that nstead of pushing around a grocery cart. If she wants to be "normal" she and Wills should give up the perks and titles and live in the Suburbs.
Quote from: sandy on August 07, 2011, 07:41:31 PM
Pictures and descriptions of Kate shopping do get tiresome IMO. Who cares? Kate should take on a charity and be known for that nstead of pushing around a grocery cart. If she wants to be "normal" she and Wills should give up the perks and titles and live in the Suburbs.
Lordie lordie - you have summed it up in 2 lines.
Fancy tours and the highlife - then trying to come across as so down to earth. Yes she has a nice smile and lovely teeth- but it does not cut it for me. I'm left wondering when the proper charity work begins! Before anyone has a go at me - I mean - getting to the nitty gritty - I've posted many a worthwhile cause on here (IMO) - but all I've seen so far is and photo ops and dress up. It's all smoke and mirrors :orchid:
I don't see all the pictures and stories about the royals that people in Great Britain do, although I do look at the Daily Mail online to try to catch most of them.
So far I have seen pictures of Kate in a grocery store on two seperate occasions. I have never seen such a picture of Princess Diana, the Queen, Prince Phillip, Charles, Camilla, Prince William, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew, Duchess of York....in fact, the Duchess of Cambridge is the only royal I have seen pictures going grocery shopping.
That raises an interesting question in my mind - is she the ONLY royal who goes grocery shopping? Or is she the only one who's "pictures while shopping" will sell newspapers?
I do not believe that she has arranged for these pictures to be taken - this is part of the private life of the Prince and the Duchess. It is clear that her bodyguard is annoyed & she doesn't look particularly pleased either. In fact, I recall reading somewhere that they want to be left alone Wales...
Quote from: sandy on August 07, 2011, 07:41:31 PM
Pictures and descriptions of Kate shopping do get tiresome IMO. Who cares? Kate should take on a charity and be known for that nstead of pushing around a grocery cart. If she wants to be "normal" she and Wills should give up the perks and titles and live in the Suburbs.
I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!! i am so bored and tried of see them trying to play the role of a normal life it is why diffrent from the real stuff, like you said get a home in suburbs, kate get a real job for ones and william not giving any special treatment in the army , because my brother have been in the army for the past 8years he does not get that much days off as william or giving special treat and the paid suck, so if they want a normal like they need to stop act like one instead be one, i bet if they choose the normal life there will be no way on earth for kate to effort 800dollars/euro dress, she will have to get a job like my sister in law because being a army wives it does not get you by like royal army wives it a total diffrent world..... :notamused: :orchid:
Quote from: LucyOfTheSky on August 07, 2011, 08:30:45 PM
So far I have seen pictures of Kate in a grocery store on two seperate occasions. I have never seen such a picture of Princess Diana, the Queen, Prince Phillip, Charles, Camilla, Prince William, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew, Duchess of York....in fact, the Duchess of Cambridge is the only royal I have seen pictures going grocery shopping.
That raises an interesting question in my mind - is she the ONLY royal who goes grocery shopping? Or is she the only one who's "pictures while shopping" will sell newspapers?
No, she is the only one who does her own grocery shopping. The others have servants who do it for them.
Quote from: good221 on Today at 03:40:09 PM! i am so bored and tried of see them trying to play the role of a normal life it is why diffrent from the real stuff, like you said get a home in suburbs, kate get a real job for ones and william not giving any special treatment in the army , because my brother have been in the army for the past 8years he does not get that much days off as william or giving special treat and the paid suck, so if they want a normal like they need to stop act like one instead be one, i bet if they choose the normal life there will be no way on earth for kate to effort 800dollars/euro dress, she will have to get a job like my sister in law because being a army wives it does not get you by like royal army wives it a total diffrent world.....
For those who are contemptuous of William and Kate wishing to have a private and normal life, I'm going to say something that is politically incorrect, so stop reading if you get easily annoyed. Kate comes from a normal family and that's what she knows best. William ... well, how could he possibly know what a normal life is like since he's the heir to the heir? Might it be because Diana gave him glimpses of what a normal life is? And it was very cool of her to do that. But maybe it backfired just a little bit because he liked it and now he wishes he could have at least a little of that normalcy in his life?
Okay, everyone can start reading again. :) :blowkiss:
Cindy
Quote from: LucyOfTheSky on August 07, 2011, 08:30:45 PM
I don't see all the pictures and stories about the royals that people in Great Britain do, although I do look at the Daily Mail online to try to catch most of them.
So far I have seen pictures of Kate in a grocery store on two seperate occasions. I have never seen such a picture of Princess Diana, the Queen, Prince Phillip, Charles, Camilla, Prince William, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew, Duchess of York....in fact, the Duchess of Cambridge is the only royal I have seen pictures going grocery shopping.
That raises an interesting question in my mind - is she the ONLY royal who goes grocery shopping? Or is she the only one who's "pictures while shopping" will sell newspapers?
I do not believe that she has arranged for these pictures to be taken - this is part of the private life of the Prince and the Duchess. It is clear that her bodyguard is annoyed & she doesn't look particularly pleased either. In fact, I recall reading somewhere that they want to be left alone Wales...
an other thing why does she shop every one month or two, i go shopping everyday i dont know how she go shopping ones in a month go home with little grocery bag, if i have to shop one times a month i will take my truck and load more thing in the car, so i dont get making a long trip when i can get everything all at onetime trip.!!!! another thing since she have a house keeper why not have her go shopping for her since she hate doing it??? :orchid:
Quote from: cinrit on August 07, 2011, 08:50:58 PM
For those who are contemptuous of William and Kate wishing to have a private and normal life, I'm going to say something that is politically incorrect, so stop reading if you get easily annoyed. Kate comes from a normal family and that's what she knows best. William ... well, how could he possibly know what a normal life is like since he's the heir to the heir? Might it be because Diana gave him glimpses of what a normal life is? And it was very cool of her to do that. But maybe it backfired just a little bit because he liked it and now he wishes he could have at least a little of that normalcy in his life?
Okay, everyone can start reading again. :) :blowkiss:
Cindy
On the contrary your opinion is as valid as any other :nod: . However, I'd love to see William pushing the trolley - or even them together - - Maybe William is off "rescuing" people. :hug?:
Quote from: good221 on August 07, 2011, 08:58:22 PM
an other thing why does she shop every one month or two, i go shopping everyday i dont know how she go shopping ones in a month go home with little grocery bag,
What a perceptive point! :PR: maybe?
^^ I have known people who shopped only once a month. I, personally, used to grocery shop only once every two weeks. What's the difference? And why should we care how often she shops or what she buys? As for William doing the shopping, he has a job. How many husbands go grocery shopping after getting off work? Well, actually, my niece's husband used to ..... but they're not married anymore.
Sophiechloe ... :hug:
Cindy
I read somewhere (and sorry I can't find it now) that Prince William's schedule is not set up special for him. The air rescue crews fly a certain number of hours a day, but are also are on call 24/7 for 10 days or 2 weeks or something, and then they have an extended period off. This is a very different schedule than most people in the military, but there it is. I saw that someone put "rescue" in quotes for what Prince William does. No need - he actually does rescue people. I read a story in which someone was rescued and then was so surprised to see the future King doing it.
Also I read that aside from the Canadian trip, all his duties (and even his honeymoon) are done on his normal off days from work.
So Kate is the only royal who does her own shopping. The rest have servants to do it. Wow. I think it is extremely cool that she does this - even if it is only to prepare meals for the days they are in Wales. I understand that some people on this site feel Kate should also have servants to do all the cooking, or that Prince William should just have a pretend job rather than a real one, but I think it is amazing that they do this. I think this realness is why they are so popular. (ok, they are not popular on this website, but most people in Britain and around the world admire them.
Quote from: LucyOfTheSky on August 07, 2011, 11:37:30 PM
I read somewhere (and sorry I can't find it now) that Prince William's schedule is not set up special for him. The air rescue crews fly a certain number of hours a day, but are also are on call 24/7 for 10 days or 2 weeks or something, and then they have an extended period off. This is a very different schedule than most people in the military, but there it is. I saw that someone put "rescue" in quotes for what Prince William does. No need - he actually does rescue people. I read a story in which someone was rescued and then was so surprised to see the future King doing it.
Also I read that aside from the Canadian trip, all his duties (and even his honeymoon) are done on his normal off days from work.
So Kate is the only royal who does her own shopping. The rest have servants to do it. Wow. I think it is extremely cool that she does this - even if it is only to prepare meals for the days they are in Wales. I understand that some people on this site feel Kate should also have servants to do all the cooking, or that Prince William should just have a pretend job rather than a real one, but I think it is amazing that they do this. I think this realness is why they are so popular. (ok, they are not popular on this website, but most people in Britain and around the world admire them.
UH!!!!!! WHO AROUND THE WORLD ADMIRE THEM. DONT BELIVE THE DAILY MAIL CHART OR MEDIA HEP YES THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT KNOW THEM BUT WHEN IT COME TO ADMIRE HONEY THAT IS ANOTHER BALL GAME, AND I KNOW YOU ARE FAN BUT THERE IS A LINE BETWEEN KNOWING SOMEONE BECAUSE THEIR ARE FAMOUS / CELEBRITY THAN REALLY ADMIRE THEM and another thing i dont get how realness make a person for shopping at a supper market if so then getting a job should be a punishment.!!!! :orchid:
:wacko: Ow, my ears! No need to shout, good221. You're sure allowed to dislike them if you want, but please turn down the volume, lol!! :laugh: And yes, they are popular, and not only with The Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is not the only place the pictures of Kate shopping, or the pictures of William and Kate strolling in the park, were published.
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on August 08, 2011, 01:01:11 AM
:wacko: Ow, my ears! No need to shout, good221. You're sure allowed to dislike them if you want, but please turn down the volume, lol!! :laugh: And yes, they are popular, and not only with The Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is not the only place the pictures of Kate shopping, or the pictures of William and Kate strolling in the park, were published.
Cindy
i am sorry does not need to be B* is just that i dont like when false statement are being twist as fact. that really bug me.... :notamused: :gross:
Quote from: cinrit on August 08, 2011, 01:01:11 AM
:wacko: Ow, my ears! No need to shout, good221. You're sure allowed to dislike them if you want, but please turn down the volume, lol!! :laugh: And yes, they are popular, and not only with The Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is not the only place the pictures of Kate shopping, or the pictures of William and Kate strolling in the park, were published.
Cindy
great saying :goodpost:
Quote from: good221 on August 08, 2011, 02:55:25 AM
i am sorry does not need to be B* is just that i dont like when false statement are being twist as fact. that really bug me.... :notamused: :gross:
No one made a false statement. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, whether or not we agree with them.
Cindy
Prince William was seen from time to time at Tesco St. Andrew's. There's a video documentary of his university days, indeed shopping his food and cooking too.
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I don't follow much the elder or past royals, but the www search engine today is magnificent. Accordingly, as one example of another royal
QuoteSainsbury's --Princess Diana could frequently be seen whheeling her own cart around to purchase food for the boys such as cookies, cakes, and cereal. A Safeway located near Kensington Palace was also used for quick trips to the grocery.
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It seems the domestic staff at KP have a full view of Nottingham cottage.
QuoteWilliam and Kate 'object' to neighbours 'overlooking' their new Kensington Palace home
They moved in only a couple of weeks ago, but already the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have decided their Kensington Palace home is not quite what they had in mind.
Their main objection, I am told, is that their property, Nottingham Cottage - though secure in the royal compound and not visible to passing members of the public - is overlooked by other homes. These are not the royal apartments, but the flats lived in by palace staff.
I understand the couple have looked at other possibilities, but have decided to stay put for the time being because while Prince William continues his RAF posting in North Wales, it is not a full-time home.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023598/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-object-neighbours-overlooking-Kensington-Palace-home.html#ixzz1URExEaXQ
Quote from: cinrit on August 08, 2011, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: good221 on August 08, 2011, 02:55:25 AM
i am sorry does not need to be B* is just that i dont like when false statement are being twist as fact. that really bug me.... :notamused: :gross:
No one made a false statement. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, whether or not we agree with them.
Cindy
nice one as well :happy:
Great to hear that Prince William and Princess Diana sometimes went to the grocery store also! Of course, it would be them -- along with Prince Harry and the Duchess of Cambridge, they appear to be the most genuine and down to earth royals.
I do understand that not everyone agrees with me. And I understand that quite a few posters on this website dislike the Duchess of Cambridge. - However, not everyone dislikes her. Some people admire her & wish her well.
I just saw the article in the Daily Mail. I am not surprised at all to find that privacy is an issue. - although this could be a made up story, it could also be true. Interestingly, no one is quoted in the story, so presumably one of the couple's aides or one of the staff at the palace contacted the Daily Mail with the story. I find that idea rather preposterous, as someone caught leaking such information would likely be fired or moved to a position where they have no contact with any royals. Nonetheless, just by looking at Nottingham Cottage you can see that privacy would absolutely be an issue, as I posted several weeks ago. No doubt next we will be reading a story about the Duchess buying some heavy drapes....Frankly, I hope she does. Yes, I know she chose to marry the Prince, but it must be nerve-wracking to be on your guard for photographers when out in public. And now she has to worry while inside her home? That is a bit much!
I don't thnk William and Kate really can have it both ways. One week, normal and like the rest of us the other week Kate changing in and out of expensive gowns for tours. Kate and WIlliam going on vacations that few can afford. Kate and William having titles and living well not to mention William being a future King and Kate a QUeen Consort. This looks like they are going "slumming" since WIlliam is not the average soldier and to me seems to have more time off and Kate is not the average young bride (unless all brides have bodyguards and a wedding watched by millions and an HRH title). I for one don't care that they have the privileges but I find it somewhat patronizing that they are pushed via their PR being just like the rest of us. In today's plummeting economy, these two will never have to worry unlike average individuals. I like the two BTW but I think their PR is very misguided. I think other royals do their own shopping but I never read about Sophie Wessex saying she';s like all the rest of us-she goes about her business and pitches in. Zara and Mike for instance will never have any chance of being QUeen and Prince COnsort but it's a differennt story for Wills and Kate who ARE indeed the future of the monarchy. I think Kate should be doing more than picking out groceries--she should be looking into doing charity work for a worthy cause instead of sitting home being the "military wife". SHe's a future Queen and should be learning the ropes.
I don't think it was Diana's idea for William to have this sort of PR She emphasized that WIlls should be aware of the real world but at the same time aware of his heritage and future as a future King.
Kate already has a workshy image and she is young and talented and should take some time to do charity work and be publicly associated with and promoting a charity. Even Camilla did this before she married Charles or got engaged to him--she became affiliated with Osteoporisis even before she became a royal. Kate is a working royal now and not just a "housewife" picking out drapes. I think though Wills is postponing being a full time royal. I truly don't think these two should totally disappear save a few photo ops if their being "normal." THey are not the average Joe and Jane and never will be.
Quote from: sandy on August 08, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
I don't thnk William and Kate really can have it both ways. One week, normal and like the rest of us the other week Kate changing in and out of expensive gowns for tours.
Then no one should have an apartment in the city, where they can dress up and go to plays and have dinner at the best restaurants ... and also have a home in the country, where they put on their jeans or shorts and putter around in the garden?
QuoteKate and WIlliam going on vacations that few can afford.
I can afford to travel to any state in the U.S. and any country I wish to visit. The guy who works at the filling station probably can't. It's the same thing, isn't it? Only the amount of money involved is different.
QuoteKate and William having titles and living well not to mention William being a future King and Kate a QUeen Consort. This looks like they are going "slumming" since WIlliam is not the average soldier and to me seems to have more time off and Kate is not the average young bride (unless all brides have bodyguards and a wedding watched by millions and an HRH title). I for one don't care that they have the privileges but I find it somewhat patronizing that they are pushed via their PR being just like the rest of us.
In today's plummeting economy, these two will never have to worry unlike average individuals. I like the two BTW but I think their PR is very misguided.
I don't know what you mean about "slumming", but you do seem to care a lot. Even in today's plummeting economy, I probably will never have to worry, either. But the guy flipping hamburgers at McDonald's might have to. It's very, very, very sad. But what are people supposed to do?
QuoteI don't think it was Diana's idea for William to have this sort of PR She emphasized that WIlls should be aware of the real world but at the same time aware of his heritage and future as a future King.
Why do you assume it's PR simply because they're living their lives the way they want to?
QuoteKate already has a workshy image and she is young and talented and should take some time to do charity work and be publicly associated with and promoting a charity.
I'm sorry, but that's old news. I haven't seen anyone except some people here, still complaining about Kate's "workshy image". It was complained about when she was in a whirlwind of activity. It will be brought up again and again when she's 80 years old and going from engagement to engagement. :lol:
Cindy
Of course they cannot always be normal but when they get the chance why not?
Quote from: orangesunday on August 08, 2011, 09:36:46 PM
Of course they cannot always be normal but when they get the chance why not?
Agree, but they both seem to cherry pick when to "be normal" normally
not when it involves money and excessive priviledge - just my opinion :flower:
Quote from: sophiechloe on August 08, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: orangesunday on August 08, 2011, 09:36:46 PM
Of course they cannot always be normal but when they get the chance why not?
Agree, but they both seem to cherry pick when to "be normal" normally not when it involves money and excessive priviledge - just my opinion :flower:
I think, except for the Canadian trip (or maybe including the Canadian trip), where they go and what they do pretty much depends on his work schedule. He doesn't have a nine-to-five job. He works long hours, and then gets several days off.
Cindy
I would cherrypick to be normal in Anglesey and when in London = capital = The Palace (and all its trappings), The Paparazzi's its magnified to most likely impossible to be.
So, I hope they enjoy those 2 years like QEII and PP, as the press has stated as comparison.
ETA: About the latest Tesco photos, I understand it was an American paparazzi, the British ones seem to have grasped the privacy request/issue within the U.K. And apparently its working, no UK media used the photos.
QuoteNo, she is the only one who does her own grocery shopping. The others have servants who do it for them.
Actually Harry has been seen doing groceries on his own , the only difference there were no pictures taken .
^^ Ohhhh ... I forgot Harry! :( Maybe I should have said the younger generation does their own grocery shopping. Thanks fleur.
Cindy
^^^Your Welcome. :flower:
So American paps are in the UK to snap pics of the couple??
Helllo Fleur,
I don't know if there are American paparazzi's in the UK snapping away. I'm just referring to the Tesco Kate shopping, according to Richard Palmer (twitter royalreporter) and a back and forth interesting discussion with other twitter's, he said that those particular photos were taken by 'an American paparazzi' (1 loner paparazzi in the vicinity, stalking perhaps, following Catherine, I understand that Tesco is a hop and skip from the RAF base). His reasoning is that its harder for the British paparazzi and the media whom may be called by the PCC meeting/visit to the paps/papers offices, rather than an American whom won't be called because the material most likely will be used in the USA.
Apparently Richard is right, I haven't seen so far any U.K. media using the Tesco photos, only USA tabloids , magazines and some network shows mentioning, but they are all American based.
Ok, how immature am I. I want to see some pictures of Harry grocery shopping. Oh I am so pathetic.
I don't get why it isi so heroic for Kate to be seen shopping. Others shop in the RF but also pitch in and conribuye yo the Firm. Princess Anne probably works and shops too. If Kate is supposed to be "normal" or wants to appear that way, she would need to actually give up her royal titles and money and earn her own way. Diana was not admired for her being seen shopping (and she was) but for her giving back and service to the Firm. What if Kate isi lauded for being "normal" by doing shopping and that's it? SHe needs to do more than that. William has privileges his fellow military men do not--he will never be placed on the front lines and his tenure in SAR could potentially end abruptly.
Quote from: cinrit on August 08, 2011, 09:58:57 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on August 08, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: orangesunday on August 08, 2011, 09:36:46 PM
Of course they cannot always be normal but when they get the chance why not?
Agree, but they both seem to cherry pick when to "be normal" normally not when it involves money and excessive priviledge - just my opinion :flower:
I think, except for the Canadian trip (or maybe including the Canadian trip), where they go and what they do pretty much depends on his work schedule. He doesn't have a nine-to-five job. He works long hours, and then gets several days off.
Cindy
The 9 to 5 attitude to work is a strange on considering how many jobs work shift patterns not 9 to 5. Myself for example if you could see me now you would assume I only work part time as I am off work monday, tuesday, friday saturday and sunday. That would be wrong I work 12 hour shift and this is the wednesday, thursday week. Last week I was monday, tuesday night shift, then friday saturday sunday day shift. Just because you don't see me work today doesn't mean I dont work.
Quote from: sandy on August 09, 2011, 02:29:20 AM
I don't get why it isi so heroic for Kate to be seen shopping. Others shop in the RF but also pitch in and conribuye yo the Firm. Princess Anne probably works and shops too. If Kate is supposed to be "normal" or wants to appear that way, she would need to actually give up her royal titles and money and earn her own way. Diana was not admired for her being seen shopping (and she was) but for her giving back and service to the Firm. What if Kate isi lauded for being "normal" by doing shopping and that's it? SHe needs to do more than that. William has privileges his fellow military men do not--he will never be placed on the front lines and his tenure in SAR could potentially end abruptly.
Why is Kate forever compared to Diana? Kate is not Diana. Some Royals do their own shopping and cook their own food. And for whatever reason (probably because it is unusual), they're usually photographed doing so ... Kate is not the only one who is. Here are two pictures of Princess Ragnild of Norway doing her own grocery shopping:
http://80.91.34.200/previews/w_sn/sp440772.jpg
http://80.91.34.200/previews/w_sn/sp440771.jpg
Kate is keeping busy in the way she is supposed to do at this time. William's career has not abruptly ended, and probably will not anytime in the near future. There's no reason to think it will, and it's useless to continue to point out that it could.
Cindy
@ Wannabe , Thank you for answering my question :flower:
They should change the rules , to make sure that it doesn't get out of hand.If one photographer is doing this and making money , than more will follow . You would expect that even they would have to follow the British law?
You have a point, how will the PCC control foreign paparazzi?!
Quote from: cinrit on August 09, 2011, 12:26:51 PM
Quote from: sandy on August 09, 2011, 02:29:20 AM
I don't get why it isi so heroic for Kate to be seen shopping. Others shop in the RF but also pitch in and conribuye yo the Firm. Princess Anne probably works and shops too. If Kate is supposed to be "normal" or wants to appear that way, she would need to actually give up her royal titles and money and earn her own way. Diana was not admired for her being seen shopping (and she was) but for her giving back and service to the Firm. What if Kate isi lauded for being "normal" by doing shopping and that's it? SHe needs to do more than that. William has privileges his fellow military men do not--he will never be placed on the front lines and his tenure in SAR could potentially end abruptly.
Why is Kate forever compared to Diana? Kate is not Diana. Some Royals do their own shopping and cook their own food. And for whatever reason (probably because it is unusual), they're usually photographed doing so ... Kate is not the only one who is. Here are two pictures of Princess Ragnild of Norway doing her own grocery shopping:
http://80.91.34.200/previews/w_sn/sp440772.jpg
http://80.91.34.200/previews/w_sn/sp440771.jpg
Kate is keeping busy in the way she is supposed to do at this time. William's career has not abruptly ended, and probably will not anytime in the near future. There's no reason to think it will, and it's useless to continue to point out that it could.
Cindy
Who "Supposes" Kate should work that way? I think it's Wills' idea since IMO he wants to postpone royal duties. There's nothing wrong with Kate taking on a charity while she is being a "military wife." I think the point of bringing up Diana was that she was an example of someone who shopped PLUS she did work. I think Kate if she wants to can do work. I don't think she wants to--unfortunately. I think she should do more than scrub floors or push carts, she's a future Queen and she could at least take on one cause between washing dishes.
Why is it useless to point out that it could? It obviously can. Charles is going to be 63. His mother is 85. William is 29. He's young and vigorous and I think it inevitable that he and his wife will be called on to take up the slack. He can't be in the military forever. And when he goes from it nobody knows.
No suppositions, factually what you see is what The Firm has in store. Prince William's job is with the RAF/SARF minimum until September 2013. As time goes on, what we see of Catherine is what is mapped out for her role.
Quote from: sandy on August 09, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
Charles is going to be 63.
Lord, you make it sound like 63 is close to the end and that William had better be prepared. :lol: But 63 is not that old, really. You'll see when you get there. :hehe:
Cindy
Kate and Wills have been married about 3 1/2 months now. In that time we know they have honeymooned, gone on the Canada tour, done a few duties, raised money for charity at 2 black tie events (one in UK; one in US) and selected a London apt and moved in. Wills has also worked full time and Kate has been a homemaker; selected a fantastic wardrobe to reflect the best designers in both her home country and the country she was visiting on tour; started investigating what charities to be involved with.
In another thread, Wannabe talked about the most recent photo of the Prince and the Duchess. It was taken outside of what looks like a tent with a group of people. Here is where Wannabe said they were and what they were doing: SAS elite Army regiment's Herefordshire HQ.
The couple took their first briefing related to Catherine's (and William's) training. Whilst there, they visited injured soldiers, widows of fallen soldiers, other staff personnel and their children, plus celebrated the 70th anniversary of that regiment.
Apparently not every single thing the Prince and the Duchess do is publicized in the Daily Mail or other tabloids--
I realize this is the wrong place to post this, but I remain extremely surprised that several people posting on this website are so critical....Let's see, her eye makeup is all wrong; her hair is too long; she is too skinny; she shops in a grocery store; she doesn't work outside the home; she hasn't done enough duties; she hasn't publicized her charities. Good grief! It has been 3 1/2 months! I thought two problems that Diana had is that she was expected to do too much too soon and was widely criticized in the media regardless of what she did. It seems to me that the Duchess is doing plenty & looks just fine.
:goodpost:
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on August 09, 2011, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: sandy on August 09, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
Charles is going to be 63.
Lord, you make it sound like 63 is close to the end and that William had better be prepared. :lol: But 63 is not that old, really. You'll see when you get there. :hehe:
Cindy
So by your reasoning William should not do any duties? Each person ages differently. Charles may or may not stay the course and need some help. Nobody knows for certain. The Queen IS 85 and she and Philip have reduced soe duties. For that reason, Charles steps up to help. So who helps Charles out so he can take on some of his mother's duties? WIlliam who is the next in line. THe royal line of succession is in place for a reason. Wills is not a career military person and never will be. He's a future King.
Quote from: LucyOfTheSky on August 09, 2011, 04:11:27 PM
Kate and Wills have been married about 3 1/2 months now. In that time we know they have honeymooned, gone on the Canada tour, done a few duties, raised money for charity at 2 black tie events (one in UK; one in US) and selected a London apt and moved in. Wills has also worked full time and Kate has been a homemaker; selected a fantastic wardrobe to reflect the best designers in both her home country and the country she was visiting on tour; started investigating what charities to be involved with.
In another thread, Wannabe talked about the most recent photo of the Prince and the Duchess. It was taken outside of what looks like a tent with a group of people. Here is where Wannabe said they were and what they were doing: SAS elite Army regiment's Herefordshire HQ.
The couple took their first briefing related to Catherine's (and William's) training. Whilst there, they visited injured soldiers, widows of fallen soldiers, other staff personnel and their children, plus celebrated the 70th anniversary of that regiment.
Apparently not every single thing the Prince and the Duchess do is publicized in the Daily Mail or other tabloids--
I realize this is the wrong place to post this, but I remain extremely surprised that several people posting on this website are so critical....Let's see, her eye makeup is all wrong; her hair is too long; she is too skinny; she shops in a grocery store; she doesn't work outside the home; she hasn't done enough duties; she hasn't publicized her charities. Good grief! It has been 3 1/2 months! I thought two problems that Diana had is that she was expected to do too much too soon and was widely criticized in the media regardless of what she did. It seems to me that the Duch
ess is doing plenty & looks just fine.
Lucy, DIana was never criticized widely in the media when she worked early on. She was very much praised. THe problems Diana had were from another source which is the subject of another thread. She excelled in royal duties and was widely praised.
Why would Kate need to do things in "secret?" SHe's a senior royal. Charles did very few things in Secret and the Prince's Trust was always well ;publicized as was his role in it. Why the need for "secrecy?" It defeats he purpose of helping a charity--high profile patrons can help the charity if they want to hide their helping it then they are not calling attention to the charity. maybe their working for a charity and it is publicized in the Daily Mail is doing good for the charity by publicizing it.
Kate is not a "homemaker" she is a future Queen COnsort, and a senior royal. Supposedly members of the firm work to support the firm not be "homemakers" and that's that.
Quote from: sandy on August 09, 2011, 05:57:57 PM
So by your reasoning William should not do any duties? Each person ages differently. Charles may or may not stay the course and need some help. Nobody knows for certain. The Queen IS 85 and she and Philip have reduced soe duties. For that reason, Charles steps up to help. So who helps Charles out so he can take on some of his mother's duties? WIlliam who is the next in line. THe royal line of succession is in place for a reason. Wills is not a career military person and never will be. He's a future King.
I'm not sure what you mean about my not thinking William should do any duties. :hmm: My point was that you make it sound like the Queen is liable to die any minute, and that Charles is going to become incapacitated any minute, so William could be called away from duty any minute. I can't imagine thinking something like that. The Queen is going strong right now, and if anything were to happen, Charles would take over. There's no reason to believe he couldn't perform the required duties for another 25 years, having inherited excellent genes from both his parents. I just can't understand your line of reasoning. William can't put his life on hold simply because his grandmother
might die soon, and his father
might either die or become incapacitated. William is a future king. Should he sit in a corner and twiddle his thumbs until then? :shrug:
Quote from: sandyWhy would Kate need to do things in "secret?" SHe's a senior royal. Charles did very few things in Secret and the Prince's Trust was always well ;publicized as was his role in it. Why the need for "secrecy?" It defeats he purpose of helping a charity--high profile patrons can help the charity if they want to hide their helping it then they are not calling attention to the charity. maybe their working for a charity and it is publicized in the Daily Mail is doing good for the charity by publicizing it.
I think she meant that William and Kate deserve to have some privacy at times, sandy. They're not on a reality show. They don't need to be followed around and reported on 24/7. We don't know what they do every minute of their lives, nor do we have a right to know.
Cindy
It is a fact that both Philip (who turned 90) and the QUeen do not do the same amount of duties they did say 15-20 years ago. Philip gave up some patronages. She is 85 years old. Cindy, I never said she would DIE soon. You are misinterpreting what I said That's your projecting your own interpretations on my posts thst do not exist or were never said. I am talking Diminished Capacity. William can't be a soldier while his dad does more and m ore of his Mother's duties and his own too. He would be expected to take on some of his dad's.
William's life is being a future King not a military man. I think he would not be putting his life on hold if he took on royal duties. How is that putting his life on hold if he's doing the work expected of him as a future King? Supposedly doing royal duties is a part of his life not being a soldier.
The royals including the Queen and Prince Charles both have been reported to have suggested that the family "trims down". Beatrice and Eugenie have been told to get proper jobs, not one in the firm. Until the Queen and Philip totally give up their duties, I don't think it is necessary for William and Harry to do any more than they are. William could be waiting around for decades to be king. I think it is good that he has a useful job. It is more than a military duty - it is a scheduled job just like all the rest in his squad. I think he and Kate have done quite a lot while working around his schedule. Between the Queen, Philip, Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward and Sophie - that is a lot of people and they seem to be able to handle it all quite well.
When the time comes, William will be absorbed in royal duties, but I don't think it is all that necessary right now.
Bea and Eugenie are down in the line of succesion and are not future monarchs. I doubt that by scaling down it was meant that William be included in the scaling down nor Harry. Charles didn't "wait around" to be King--he's had an active life, been very prominent in charity work and I don't see him "waitng around." WIlliam should take a page from his father's book, maybe start up something like the Prince's Trust and do some serous work. He is not a career military person and IMO knows it. William is a future King not a military man. When would the time be for WIlliam? I think that the time is now for him to learn the ropes. Charles even when in the military didn't let it deter hm from pitching in and doing charity work. William can do both too. I don't see why not, unless there is some reluctance on his part.
Quote from: sandy on August 09, 2011, 06:24:33 PM
Cindy, I never said she would DIE soon. You are misinterpreting what I said That's your projecting your own interpretations on my posts thst do not exist or were never said. I am talking Diminished Capacity.
Why do you even assume diminished capacity? Charles is
only 63. That's not ancient. There's no reason to keep repeating that William could be called back any time. There is less reason to think that than there is to think William's got two or three decades before he takes the throne. If he were to leave the military (I still don't understand his being a helicopter pilot seems to bother you, or why it seems to bother you that he's doing something good in the interest of his fellow man), wouldn't that be an insult to his father and grandmother, an insinuation that he's just waiting to jump in their shoes?
Quote from: sandyHe is not a career military person and IMO knows it. William is a future King not a military man. When would the time be for WIlliam? I think that the time is now for him to learn the ropes.
Then you think that you know better what William should be doing now than does the Queen and/or Charles, because if they weren't happy with what William is doing, he wouldn't be doing it. Charles was Prince of Wales for decades. William is not Prince of Wales ... he is not the direct heir to the throne. He is the heir to the direct heir to the throne.
Cindy
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Lucy, DIana was never criticized widely in the media when she worked early on. She was very much praised. THe problems Diana had were from another source which is the subject of another thread. She excelled in royal duties and was widely praised.
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I believe I read in a variety of sources that Diana was very upset by the criticism in the media. One of the things that upset her was that she was referred to as chubby. I also read that she subsequently suffered from bulimia. In terms of her duties, I read that it was later felt by the palace that she had been brought along too fast and told to do too much too soon. She became stressed and she felt that she didn't feel she had support from the other royals. (Although I was alive at the time all this was happening, I am in the US and we get much less in the papers about the royals than the British do. Nonetheless, this information is quite clear in my mind.)
While Diana was hounded by the paps, and written about in the papers, she did not have to deal with the internet and average people criticizing her every move on a variety of websites and commenting on every article about her in the online papers. I think the pressure on Kate is even greater than that on Diana. Kate is of course older, and that helps. Also, she has William to reassure her. Kate has, like Diana, been praised for the activities she has done. It is early days for Kate - I honestly think the best thing for her is not to read the papers & magazines at all. - or at least the ones that insist on putting in a (non)story about her every 5 days.
Diana said she was called chubby back in 1981 by Charles--she didn' report this when it happened, the press was unaware of it--until she told Morton that it happened. DIana's bulimia (as she told Morton) was caused by the stress of her marriage and the situation involving her husband and the other woman. SHe clearly told Bashir tha she had "rampant bulimia" when she found out her husband had returned to Camila. She by all accouns felt fulfilled in her charity work and enjoyed her royal appearances. I recall no such criticism of Diana being "lazy" or "clumsy" at royal duties. She was a person who had a work ethic
I don't think dealing with pressure should include avoidance mode or hiding out. It is too soon to put Diana and Kate on a par. I think people CAN learn from constructive crititicm and perhaps Kate should not be afraid to look a less than complimentary articles (not ones that go overboard, but ones that make constructive suggestions)
Quote from: sandy on August 10, 2011, 12:56:58 AM
Diana said she was called chubby back in 1981 by Charles--she didn' report this when it happened, the press was unaware of it--until she told Morton that it happened. DIana's bulimia (as she told Morton) was caused by the stress of her marriage and the situation involving her husband and the other woman. SHe clearly told Bashir tha she had "rampant bulimia" when she found out her husband had returned to Camila.
Actually, I distinctly remember reading that Diana said her bulimia started before the wedding, when Charles pinched her waist and made a comment about her getting chubby or gaining weight or some such. By the time of the wedding, her dress had been altered more than once to accommodate for her weight loss, and she looked much thinner at the time of the wedding than she did at the engagement announcement.
QuoteI don't think dealing with pressure should include avoidance mode or hiding out. It is too soon to put Diana and Kate on a par. I think people CAN learn from constructive crititicm and perhaps Kate should not be afraid to look a less than complimentary articles (not ones that go overboard, but ones that make constructive suggestions)
I agree 100% that Kate should not be compared to Diana. She is her own person, and shouldn't be compared to anyone. She is doing what Buckingham Palace and Clarence House think is best for her to do. What anyone else thinks she should be doing instead doesn't count.
Cindy
That's what I isaid CIndy. Back in 1981 which is the time they got engaged.
I don't think Kate is being dictated to. If she wanted to take on a charity while "waiting" for William to come home, I doubt the Queen who believes in giving back and work ethic would say no if Kate wanted to do this. I think William wants to be "normal" and Kate perhaps doesn't mind not doing anything outside of being home "waiting" for him to come home. I think she's missing out though. Maybe she'll eventually get bored and be seen doing some charity work taking an active role.
Lets see, Kate has already done an official tour within the first 3 months. Diana didn't go on a tour for a long time. I think you are remembering Diana after she was established, not in the first couple of years. If you are going to compare please be sure you are looking at the correct time frame. William is committed to the military for a couple of more years. After that he will be a full time royal. In the meantime they will do what they can on his days off. I'll bet that dutues will slowly increase the closer he get to being done with his military commitment.
Is it true that Kate is complaining her new abode at KP doesn't have enough privacy?
Dailymail said they BOTH don't feel like they have privacy there.
Quote from: sandy on August 10, 2011, 02:03:31 AM
That's what I isaid CIndy. Back in 1981 which is the time they got engaged.
You said that Diana stated her bulimia started from the stress of her marriage. I pointed out that she also said that it started before the wedding; therefore, before the marriage. Both occasions were in 1981, but the reasons were different.
QuoteI don't think Kate is being dictated to. If she wanted to take on a charity while "waiting" for William to come home, I doubt the Queen who believes in giving back and work ethic would say no if Kate wanted to do this.
Then you believe that Kate does what she wants to do, without any direction from the Queen?
Quote from: Lindelle on Today at 06:01:12 AMIs it true that Kate is complaining her new abode at KP doesn't have enough privacy?
I read that they both recognize that it's private in that there can be no intrusion from the press or the public in general, but that they feel the other apartments are so close together, that it doesn't afford privacy from them. They're probably accustomed to living with a good bit of land around them, and being able to walk about on their land without being seen. Not used to apartment living, that's for sure. That's understandable.
Cindy
From what I have read their cottage at KP is surrounded by the servants grace and favor homes. William knows that servants will gossip and give reporters little tidbits for extra money. I think Paul Burrell is permanently burned into his brain. But the truth is all the royals knows that the people who work for them will talk unnamed if the price is right. William grew up with nothing but other members of the family around so privacy was less an issue with their neighbors being Princess Margaret and Prince and Princess Michael of Kent The grace and favor homes were in the back further away.
Quote from: iisuzieii on August 10, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
Dailymail said they BOTH don't feel like they have privacy there.
For what reason?
Are you able to post a link? :thanks:
^^ I'll try to find the article I read. I can't remember where I saw it. It may even have been a blurb on the entertainment news on television.
Edit: I think this is the article I read:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023598/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-object-neighbours-overlooking-Kensington-Palace-home.html
Cindy
Until I did a little research a few minutes ago, I didn't realize that Princess Diana moved into the palace after her engagement to Charles to protect her from the press; that Charles left for a 5 week overseas tour during this time; that William was born a mere 11 months after the wedding; and that Charles & Diana's first overseas tour was after William had been born (and Diana had already defied the firm by insisting he go with them.) Truly, she was an amazing woman to have had the strength to stand up for herself after being taken into the palace at 19 and isolated.
Although it isn't fair to either Diana or Kate to make comparisons, I think that by understanding a little of what Diana went through, one can understand a bit of what Kate has gone through/is experiencing as well.
I heard on tv that the staff would set "traps" for Diana, and then sell the stories to the press. Despictable doesn't begin to desribe how wrong that is. This reminds me of the story in the Daily Mail about Wills and Kate feeling there was a lack of privacy in Nottingham Cottage. I can't imagine either Wills or Kate called the media with that tidbit. Which means one of them may have made a comment to the other which was overheard and sold to the Daily Mail. (Either that or it was made up.)
I think that Wills and Kate will spend as little time as possible in London and stay in Wales where at least they can be themselves at home and not have to worry about being overheard and watched by people pretending to be loyal.
Quote from: cinrit on August 10, 2011, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: sandy on August 10, 2011, 02:03:31 AM
That's what I isaid CIndy. Back in 1981 which is the time they got engaged.
You said that Diana stated her bulimia started from the stress of her marriage. I pointed out that she also said that it started before the wedding; therefore, before the marriage. Both occasions were in 1981, but the reasons were different.
QuoteI don't think Kate is being dictated to. If she wanted to take on a charity while "waiting" for William to come home, I doubt the Queen who believes in giving back and work ethic would say no if Kate wanted to do this.
Then you believe that Kate does what she wants to do, without any direction from the Queen?
Quote from: Lindelle on Today at 06:01:12 AMIs it true that Kate is complaining her new abode at KP doesn't have enough privacy?
I read that they both recognize that it's private in that there can be no intrusion from the press or the public in general, but that they feel the other apartments are so close together, that it doesn't afford privacy from them. They're probably accustomed to living with a good bit of land around them, and being able to walk about on their land without being seen. Not used to apartment living, that's for sure. That's understandable.
Cindy
I've gone over it often enough Cindy that I know what happened n 1981. No need to explain. I said Charles called her chubby ikn m1981 and she reacted accordingly. On other threads I said that she had "rampant" bulimia due o the stress of the marriage. I read enough to know the facts and the time sequence.
Quote from: sandy on August 10, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
I've gone over it often enough Cindy that I know what happened n 1981. No need to explain. I said Charles called her chubby ikn m1981 and she reacted accordingly. On other threads I said that she had "rampant" bulimia due o the stress of the marriage. I read enough to know the facts and the time sequence.
In Post No. 350 in this thread, this is what you said and this is what I was responding to:
Quote from: sandyDiana said she was called chubby back in 1981 by Charles--she didn' report this when it happened, the press was unaware of it--until she told Morton that it happened. DIana's bulimia (as she told Morton) was caused by the stress of her marriage and the situation involving her husband and the other woman.
Cindy
I said it happened in 1981 he said she was chubby PLUS in 1981 she had anxiety over Camilla. Both brought on the bulimia--but Diana gave more emphasis to her anxieties over Camilla (to Morton) than to Charles saying she was chubby.DIana had degrees of the illness--at times she was more sick with it than other times (as her pictures show). I'm dropping this matter now--I'm tired of the hair splitting and being "corrected" over something I am very familiar with (you've read my other posts Cindy which go into this topic so I am done going back and forth with you).
Quote from: cinrit on August 10, 2011, 02:08:42 PM
^^ I'll try to find the article I read. I can't remember where I saw it. It may even have been a blurb on the entertainment news on television.
Edit: I think this is the article I read:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023598/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-object-neighbours-overlooking-Kensington-Palace-home.html
Cindy
Should this NOT have been looked at before they moved in?
One would think they would have thought through this situation before making their decision. I know when buying or renting a home, how close neighbors are is a huge consideration.
Quote from: Lindelle on August 10, 2011, 10:45:29 PM
Should this NOT have been looked at before they moved in?
I would think so. Maybe there was an incident where they saw someone nearby and realized that the neighbors were closer than they thought? Or maybe the report isn't true at all. Would would they have complained to about the apartment not being suitable, after all? And who would have overheard them, then repeated it?
Cindy
:nod: Exactly Cindy.
It's impossible to believe that Wills would voluntarily tell the media anything about his private life, or to believe that Kate would all of a sudden say anything to a journalist regarding how she and her new husband feel about their new, temporary dwelling located within the Kensington Palace compound.
Therefor the statement is either completely made up, or it was overheard and then reported to the news media behind Wills and Kate's backs. :thumbsup:
It's now the silly season, so there's a good possibility it was made up. But if not, and it was an overheard comment that was then reported to a journalist, :shrug: that action alone would make Wills and Kate's point about privacy both valid and true.
It could be that they're living in Nottingham Cottage because it's the only place available at this time for them to live in within the KP compound, that fits their requirements. They might've wanted the most private place they could find, and a separate cottage, no matter how tiny, is probably more private than living within the actual Palace walls with all of it's many ears.
And it could be that whenver Wills and Kate open their curtains, their surrounding neighbours can see into their home. If the claims made by the article are true, then maybe they weren't aware of the neighbours ability to see into their home when they first looked at the cottage.
Again if the article is true, then it's possible that W & K could've seen that the cottage was separate from the main palace, done one quick walk-through and then decided that that would be fine for a couple of years while their main residence remains in Wales. That could be a reason why they might not've been aware that their neighbours could see into their home until they actually moved in.
Royals have lived at KP for many many years. This is the first I've heard about people "looking in the window." If this is the case, I think this problem would be corrected.
I thought they had possible choices - few ones - that they looked at.
I think they first looked at a place at St. James Palace, didn't they? And then an apartment within the main complex of Kensington Palace?
Cindy
Yes I'm sure they did cinrit.
Surely this wouldn't have escaped their eye about the privacy issue.
At first when they chose it, the talk was 'oh they've chosen it because it's private and all that jazz', now, it's not good enough?
I think it's possible that they didn't check the cottage more than once. They looked at several different places, and the cottage is a stand-alone, separate place that offered more obvious privacy than what they would find within the actual Palace walls.
:shrug: Maybe the separate location was what they noticed more than anything else, and didn't bother to really look around it from all angles until they moved in.
They're human, that's certainly a possibility. The other possibility is that the article isn't true, therefore Wills and Kate didn't say anything of the kind.
Mapleleaf, I've wondered the same; if the story isn't true. As we all know, the media does love to stir the pot.