A New Chapter Part 7

[TLLK]

Welcome to Part 7 of A New Chapter for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex starting October 21, 2021.

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[Curryong]

It?s hardly hypocrisy if you are born a Prince and people know you as Prince Harry. It?s simply part of his styling. And Harry is the Duke of Sussex. If the Queen objected to his retaining the Dukedom then she would have told him not to use it.

Also,  could say that every royal in the world trades ion their titles and being royal. Nobody would listen to any of them, look at them or care about them if their name was Bloggs, Guelph, Bernadette or Glucksburg. And that includes all the spares in every royal family.

I can remember William as a teenager and in his early twenties. He was hardly anxious to join the royal grind of engagements and duties then and many of the RRs wrote about that reluctance.  Harry knows his brother very well, and I can well believe that BOTH brothers have expressed their annoyance and frustration at royal life and the Palace hierarchies to each other over the years. However there is a difference between being the heir and being the spare.

Which is why people everywhere will look at Charlotte and Louis in another 25 years or so and be absolutely fine with them having a private life and career. And after Anne and the Wessexes are gone, it will be only four people doing fulltime royal duties. Future spares will be free as birds and it will be marvellous.

[TLLK]

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Relationships between the members of the British royal family

[PrincessOfPeace]

"Ms. Markle's latest interference in U.S. politics reignites the question in my mind as to why the Royal Family does not simply strip her and Harry officially of their titles, particularly since she insists on sending this under the pretense of being the Duchess of Sussex," Rep. Jason Smith, R-Mo., told DailyMail.com.

Republican tells Royal Family to STRIP Meghan Markle of royal title for interfering in US politics

[wannable]

If th UK parliament strips the titles, I wouldn't be surprised Harry and Meghan change their stationary to Office of Prince Harry and Princess Meghan 🤣

[Curryong]

This man obviously doesn?t get that Meghan hasn?t got ?a title?. Apparently it would be fine to strip a Duke of his title because of his wife writing a letter! And Meghan is ?pretending to be the Duchess of Sussex?. My, my!  :laugh:

Every now and again a few Pro Trumpite Republicans get annoyed about Meghan (who hasn?t been Ms Markle since 2018) due to Trump making some comment about Meghan during his term of office.

If the Queen has shrugged off the midges of the British tabloid media with reference to the subject I hardly think she?s going to strip Harry of his Dukedom because some US Senator she?s never heard of says something.

She is not going to do it, because (a) Harry has not committed treason, the only reason to strip a peerage, (b) it takes an Act of Parliament, and the Govt has a thousand other things on its plate, (c) she would then in fairness have to do the same to Andrew of his York dukedom, (d) she obviously doesn?t wish to do anything as Harry is still a much loved grandson.

She would be interested I?m sure into Sen Smith?s anti-vaccine rants and his views on Puerto Ricans as well,

On January 17, 2019, Smith shouted "Go back to Puerto Rico!" at House Democratic members on the House floor while Representative Tony Cardenas was presiding.[33][34] He later clarified and apologized to Cardenas and stated his remark was in reference to a recent trip taken to Puerto Rico by several lawmakers, including Cardenas, not to single out anyone's ethnicity.[35][36] His apology was accepted.[37]

[Curryong]

If th UK parliament strips the titles, I wouldn't be surprised Harry and Meghan change their stationary to Office of Prince Harry and Princess Meghan 🤣

It wouldn?t be Princess Meghan but Princess Harry, and indeed they might do just that if it ever happens, but it won?t. A Prince can?t be de-Princed and Meghan will take her status from her husband as is usual by custom.

[Nightowl]

If th UK parliament strips the titles, I wouldn't be surprised Harry and Meghan change their stationary to Office of Prince Harry and Princess Meghan 🤣

Meghan is all about being The Duchess of Sussex and nothing else.  After all *Dating and then marrying a British Royal Prince Harry is what made her famous*, nothing she did personally in the business world or entertainment world, just marrying someone with a royal title is all.

This:...*When a person is very secure within themselves and know who they are, then they do NOT need to shout to the world who they are or what they want or need*  Meghan musts in life are getting as much attention from the world so that she can because all that attention is making her feel secure within herself......P101

I actually feel sorry for her, she is showing a very weak insecure person and using The Duchess of Sussex as her title when in all actuality it means NOTHING all because she left the royal family and has done nothing but lie about them ever since.   

[Nightowl]

Nobody has said that Meghan is PRETENDING to be the Duchess of Sussex's at all, she married Prince Harry  and they were given that title on their wedding day and now it is HOW she is using that title that is the issue.  Does anyone honestly think NP is impressed with Meghan and that letter.........I have the London Bridge to sell if you want it. Using that letterhead with the names of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex on it brings Harry into the picture, that is a mistake on her part....have your own letterhead for some issues that you might have an opinion on. 

[Curryong]

People who marry simply to get a title do not go ahead and have two children (plus suffer a miscarriage) in three years of marriage. Her friend who did her 40th birthday video with her said Meghan?s face lights up when Harry walks in the room. And Meghan is very secure within herself, even perhaps too much so.

The couple have been married for three and a half years, together for five, and nobody, not even members of the British media who hate them, have been able to point to either of them being unhappy or miserable with each other, no hints of infidelity, quarrels, nothing.

They are happy together and with their children. A person who married for ambition, not love, would simply be unable to keep up the facade for years. Especially with what they have experienced together since 2018.

It was the Republican Senator who stated that Meghan is pretending to be the Duchess of Sussex. That?s what I was referring to in my post. The letter was attached to over 400 labour and Citizens organisations who want to get the measure through Congress and sent their pleas to Nancy Polosi. That?s what it was done for. I?ve seen some of the websites of these organisations with the letter attached. Marshall Aid for Moms is just one of them.

[Curryong]

This is another example of these websites I mentioned. There are over 400 organisations like this that are corresponding with Nancy Pelosi from all over the US.

Homepage - Paid Leave for All

[Nightowl]

 This is a perfect example of a person stroking their own ego and flaunting "fame" that came to her through someone else.  It is No wonder Meghan doesn't care much for Trump.  She recognizes herself in him and the world ain't big enough for the both of them.  Ambition never pays off when it's self serving and only serves one.  It is a darn good thing at least they're far, far away from the UK monarchy now and have absolutely no influence in that sector although they'll constantly remind us that they *are* "royal".  Royal pain in the *sses to a system that is over 1,000 years old.  Harry kind of reminds me of Aethelwold in TLK.  Aethelwold never got anywhere really either.  LOL

[wannable]

It lasted just one day.  Too much things going on in the world that the quote 15 minutes of fame is true to its expression.

Paperboy worldwide replaced her spot with Alec Baldwin.

[Princess Cassandra]

 :goodpost:

[Curryong]

It lasted just one day.  Too much things going on in the world that the quote 15 minutes of fame is true to its expression.

Paperboy worldwide replaced her spot with Alec Baldwin.

Which similarly happens to news of 96% of BRF engagements performed during the year. A royal unveiling a plaque at a fish factory in Grimsby  or visiting a kindergarten in south London doesn?t linger around the news outlets either.

This was a letter from Meghan appealing to the Dem chiefs in conjunction with about 400 community and labour organisations to which the letter was attached. The bill on parental leave is an important one to millions of Americans. She didn?t send it to news organisations.

And the Baldwin tragedy, although covered in Oz, didn?t dominate the news cycle  here. Instead the abduction of a four year old from her parents tent at a camping ground in WA which has attracted a million dollar reward for info received has been the tragedy practically everyone has been following.

[Curryong]

Not there yet. US paid leave proposals still stuck in Senate. Here?s an article from September that possibly explains why.

Will America Finally Get National Paid Family Leave in 2021?

[FanDianaFancy]

This is another example of these websites I mentioned. There are over 400 organisations like this that are corresponding with Nancy Pelosi from all over the US.

Homepage - Paid Leave for All

Not there yet. US paid leave proposals still stuck in Senate. Here?s an article from September that possibly explains why.

Will America Finally Get National Paid Family Leave in 2021?

We have millions of companies.
This is never going to pass. Paid leave  for all women, no matter what the JOB and place of employment.
It is silly, sweet, childlike thought , socialist.
Women in careers, professional women we call them, have 8 weeks or 2 weeks paid leave , whatever Deot. Of Labor it is, plus other benefits from their companies.
Benefit packages fir everything varies from company to company for the female employees who are in careers.

Biden, Progressives want to turn the USA from a capitalists, democracy to a Venezuela. He has stated in campaign talk all kinds if crazy stuff like free college , forgive all student loans, open borders, Dreamers DACA made citizens?.
Others of the Progressive Crazy Democrats wnt a living wage paid for everyone. It is a really sweet, childlike thought.
I support their pure, chidlike hearts. I support children in their sense of fairness, their innocence , and thoughts.
Lol.
These people in Congress are crazy fromthe Progressive Democrats to the TrumpQANON Republicans.
Sad times here in The USA. Very sad

Money is, would be meaningless.
Here , you are paid for your worth. I am sorry life is not fair and we are all not thin, rich, and beautiful.

Women employed in minimum jobs, some cushiony ,cute like recepts, nursery school workers, cleaning service companies, nursing home non- medical staff, substitutes teachers, call centers, etc, , I can goon and on, as well as Jack in the Box etc, are in jobs and do not have benefit packages like women in careers.

Places of employment cannot afford to  pay for 12 weeks to 6 months maternity leave, lol.

Yes, However, jobs should be protected. Yes for those needy we have govt programs.


Livingwge.The call is to pay everyone, anyone a living wage, a wage they can live on. In this country , you are paid for worth for what you do. Chart your own course. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps mentality.
America.

Southern USA. A living wage of lets say, $40,000- $50,000 a year to work in the jobs I mentioned, lol. Ridiculous. Well then, people in careers income will double and some will triple too. So you will be right back at where you started.

@Curryong  @wannable , just getting back to you. I do not know or care about Australia or where wannable worked throughout the world.
USA is big, land wise and every city, state, region is different. SoUSA is known for being less costly than NoUSA.
Minimum wage needs to goup nationally to cost of living 2022. Even with that, hourly wage varies from the minimum higher depending on the city, state, region.
Ex. $25.00 and hour for minimum wage in Texas.As for as I know, there is one Texas, lol.
Damn, you would be rich earning $150.00 a day for a few hours a day working at Popeyes , more than a school teacher with a Master?s Degree at that.

I think tipped  waged employees of restaurant servers need minimum wage. Relying on feast of faminine , do to soeak, busy days vs. light days, of the whims of customers is not right for 2022.
Tips, that should be between them and their wallets too. No claiming on taxes, tips.

[FanDianaFancy]

You guts are on many topics.
Next, her title use here is tricky. Curryong disagrees. Ok. Fine. Someone used the wrong word.
Better word would be , a gray area. Megan is an American citizen and can say, do, go, be, move, live, buy, sell, whatever she wants. That is why she had no intention of staying in BRF in England.
A year and a half,time to bounce.

Her name is HRH, the Duchess of Sussex or whatever the style is. That is not the point. Megan, HRH, the Duchess of Sussex, whatever.

Issue is WE DO NOT HAVE ROYALTY HERE. Ohhhh, the American Revolution, War of 1812. TheBritish lost so many, so many casualties in the War of 1812.
Way more than the Americans. The Battle of New Orleans.

USA does not care what she calls or styles herself and has no say either. HRH, Mrs. Henry. Mrs. Windsor.

That is BRF, TQ, Englands problem.

The gray are is heras kind of BRF involving herself in USA politics .Again she is an American on America doil and can do whatever the hell she wants.
TQ, BRF England cannot stop here .They agreed to not use HRH, but as soon as Queen dies  or if before that, MegHar chose to use HRH, they can. Truly, Q, aBRF, England cannot do  a dammn thing about it.

Grey area is you have two BRF. Dueling BRF.
MegHardo not represent the Q or BRF or England.
The next Official Sussex Royal Tour , their second official tour will be with her invited to speak on USA Dept of Labor issues to Congress, meeting at TWH with PresBiden and FLBiden, a private dinner, and a stay , overnight stay at TWH.

I said it here first. Wait. Watch.
Lol.

[FanDianaFancy]

Correction. Her letter, lol, so cute , so sweet, so childlike in thought, fantastical is calling for 12 weeks of paid leave for parents. Both . Mothers and fathers.

Ummm, many couples are not even married, ok.
They are not couples either.

Again, women in careers, professions , professional women , slang term, they have that for themselves. Plus, if they are married to a partner equal in a career such as themselves, yes, dads can take vacay time which is paid and/or leave for a new baby .


Catch even here, like insurance ,etc., legally married is legally. Living with your current bf is not recognized as legal.  This applies even fir women and men in big careers. Marriage is legal.

For those, next tier, in good jobs, they have benefits of maternity leave too.


Companies vary .

Last tier, important people, humans, but those in mimimum waged jobs, part- time,full- time, from fast food workers on, they usuallydo not have benefit packages such as 12 weeks paid maternity leave.
These are valuable human beings worthy of human rights , but the jobs they have simply cannot support this, pay this.
Jobs should be held for them for 12 weeks, 6 months.
In the meantime, the place has to employ another body to fill that position.
You are then having these places pay double, lol.

These types of jobs cannot financially do this.

Next socialist, more govt welfare, new govt welfare policy is have have the USA govt pay12 weeks to 6 months for maternity leave , lol. Are you kidding me?

Well Stockton, CA, a crazystate as crazy as Florida, is paying people $500.00 just cos.

Hello TheUnited States of Venezuela.
The USV.

In my lifetime, I do not see common sense in USA govt politics happening, coming back to common sns. There was a time when there was common sense in the 1980s, 1990s. 

[TLLK]

One thing that I  have to wonder about is her job at age 13. That would have been in 1994, but California raised the minimum age for employment to 14 in 1990 with a few exceptions ie child actors. I have to conclude then that she was being paid under the table by the shop owners.

Child Labor Laws In California

[wannable]

The DM has all MM's dead tweets and the Tig?!

Growing up on $4.99 Sizzler salad bar...AND lunch at a Hollywood icon | Daily Mail Online

[Curryong]

The rest of the First World pays couples Parental Leave, whether they are married or not. That?s why it?s called Parental leave. Australia does it, so does NZ, with a population half ours. So does little Belgium and Sweden for example. But the US can?t afford it?!!!!

And why call social welfare measures like these ?socialist? as if socialism was somehow evil? That?s the sort of rhetoric heard from US right wingers during the Cold War!   

In Britain, Europe, Australia and elsewhere these laws are just regarded as par for the course in giving its citizens a fair go during a new phase of their lives. Maybe, just maybe, the US, which always regards itself as the top in everything, has something to learn from the rest of the First World.

Perhaps US citizens who are so against this should get out in the world more and get some experience of foreign countries instead of being stuck in circa 1951 regarding such measures. (And even in 1951 Britain and other places in Europe had Universal Health Care, something many in the USA have difficulty accepting even now. Are you saying Britain is a socialist state?)

PS Tipping in restaurants, bars etc in Australia is not expected. People hardly ever tip here as employees  in hospitality are paid a decent wage, not expected to rely on tips to bring them up to a reasonable standard of living.

[wannable]

More from MM upbringing, in her own words.

[Curryong]

Are all these photos etc to show Meghan up as a liar regarding her upbringing? Because it doesn?t. At various times Thomas Markle had money as a lighting director, at times he didn?t. His ex wife Roslyn complained about his lack of finanacial support at times when the two older children, whom he?d abandoned as small children needed things.

His son Tom remembered his father when he, Tom jnr, was an older teen, getting into the drugs and hookers, and came out giving an interview saying so. He supposedly won a lottery (no documented evidence of it) which he hid from the authorities and yet a few years later he was broke. It is clear from the evidence of his two older kids that Mr Financial Responsibility he was not. And that is Meghan?s fault?!! He spent all the money on her? I think not!

Both Meghan?s parents worked. As such they took holidays (or Doria did) with their only child. Nothing unusual in that. An American acquaintance at work had parents who both worked and paid bills. When there was a bit of money to spare the family went to the Caribbean, when there wasn?t they took holidays nearer home, and yes that included Hawaii. Yet both parents live a very modest lifestyle in their old age.

And my workmate couldn?t believe the range of social security measure when she married an Australian and came to live here. And yes, she supports the proposed US parental leave scheme.

Neither of Meghan?s parents lived a luxury lifestyle and for both paying the bills was a struggle at times. Yes, Meghan went on a trip to Britain as a teenager. She chucked in a little bit of spending money from her teenage job, Doria paid for some of it and Thomas paid some. Exactly like neighbours? grandchildren of ours who went on a trip to the US as teenagers though their parents had split up.

Again, there is no sign that either Doria or Tom were broke during Meghan?s childhood. Nor are there any signs that either parent had any real money. Doria inherited the home she has now. Tom bought an investment home in LA much later on. Neither lived in luxurious castles.

If Meghan wishes to support the Parental Leave bill still stuck in Congress then she is perfectly entitled to do so, without the Fail planting out of context pictures and twisted articles about her background. They didn?t pay for her life as a teen and they aren?t paying for hers and Harry?s lifestyle now, neither is anyone else. And there are plenty of US citizens, with money or without it who are supporting this bill. Good for them!

[Curryong]

Twitter Data Reveals Meghan Markle And Prince Harry Hate Campaign

Report from Buzzfeed on an organised campaign of harassment of the Sussexes by a couple of hundred posters on Twitter. Twitter has promised to investigate.

In the report, Bot Sentinel includes examples of tweets from this group of 83 users that violate Twitter?s terms of service against targeted harassment. BuzzFeed News received an advance copy of the Bot Sentinel report and the list of users identified within it and found hundreds of additional tweets that violate Twitter?s rules.

Twitter?s terms of service forbid abusive behavior and engagement ?that harasses or intimidates, or is otherwise intended to shame or degrade others? and prohibit social coordination between accounts that results in harm to others or that encourages dogpiling.

Bouzy emphasized that the negative Twitter activity is not fueled by automated bot accounts, but real accounts run by humans.

Bot Sentinel identified 55 ?primary accounts? responsible for the vast majority of original and derivative negative content against Meghan. Another 28 users were flagged as ?secondary accounts? that primarily amplify the tweets of the first group. According to Bot Sentinel?s analysis, these 83 accounts are responsible for 70% of the negative hate content targeting the couple on Twitter. In the report, Bot Sentinel estimates that the accounts have a combined potential reach of at least 17 million Twitter users.