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I can?t wait until this entire thing is over. I want Harry back with his family, Meghan accepting her award in wonderful outfits, Heart of Invictus and The Games.
Can this Coronation come and go.
Archie 'real loser' in Coronation row as Harry 'denies him opportunity', says expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/archie-real-loser-coronation-row-29695303)
Quote"The real loser is little Archie. How exciting it would have been to see the soldiers, carriages and horses of his grandfather?s armies. What a shame he was denied the opportunity however hard for his parents."
I honestly feel very badly for little Archie as he won't have any memories of being present at this event. While as a young child he wouldn't be expected to be present at the ceremony, he could have enjoyed the pageantry that will fill the streets of London that day. The color, the music and the overall excitement is something that he'd likely never forget. Even his grandfather who was three years old, has memories that he cherishes to this day.
Quote from: TLLK on April 18, 2023, 01:13:20 AM
Archie 'real loser' in Coronation row as Harry 'denies him opportunity', says expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/archie-real-loser-coronation-row-29695303)
I honestly feel very badly for little Archie as he won't have any memories of being present at this event. While as a young child he wouldn't be expected to be present at the ceremony, he could have enjoyed the pageantry that will fill the streets of London that day. The color, the music and the overall excitement is something that he'd likely never forget. Even his grandfather who was three years old, has memories that he cherishes to this day.
Charles, who was born in Nov 1948, was four and a half, actually.
Harry to come by himself as he will be alone and snubbed and we can view it, No we want Meghan there so she can be booed by thousands, No, neither should be there. Stay Away. Some comments made in articles and in broadcasts by the media since the Coronation date was announced. The Sussexes were to be damned if they did, and damned if they didn?t.
And that unfortunately included their children.
I think it?s fine.
One, I don?t think Archie should be called a real loser in anyway, for any reason.
Two, he?ll be having a fun day with his friends and family. Soldiers, horses and etc, he doesn?t need to be at the King?s Coronation to see. He can see all of that pageantry in various ways in the US. It?ll be different but we have our own. His day should be about him, Charles is already King but Archie will only be four once, his birthday should be focused on him. It?s better to be with friendly faces and engulfed in love.
Maybe a video call with Charles after the festivities calm down. I also don?t think it?s safe for the kids at all.
I do hope the kids are able to come to Invictus, Harry said he wanted to take the kids. It?ll be in Germany, they?ll be properly safe. They had an activity room for kids at The Hague. Even if we don?t get to see them, it?ll be a fun public event and controlled by their parents so they?re not just exposed to the media at random.
Yes, it is better to be surrounded, engulfed by friendly faces and love, not icy disapproval. I do wonder how much children under five actually remember of these historic events anyway, and how much are impressions from documentaries and older relatives talking about it. And I?m sure Archie anyway will love seeing the Invictus Games.
Quote from: changemhysoul on April 18, 2023, 02:06:55 AM
I think it?s fine.
One, I don?t think Archie should be called a real loser in anyway, for any reason.
Two, he?ll be having a fun day with his friends and family. Soldiers, horses and etc, he doesn?t need to be at the King?s Coronation to see. He can see all of that pageantry in various ways in the US. It?ll be different but we have our own. His day should be about him, Charles is already King but Archie will only be four once, his birthday should be focused on him. It?s better to be with friendly faces and engulfed in love.
Maybe a video call with Charles after the festivities calm down. I also don?t think it?s safe for the kids at all.
I do hope the kids are able to come to Invictus, Harry said he wanted to take the kids. It?ll be in Germany, they?ll be properly safe. They had an activity room for kids at The Hague. Even if we don?t get to see them, it?ll be a fun public event and controlled by their parents so they?re not just exposed to the media at random.
We'll have to agree to disagree
@changemhysoul . :truce: I'm sorry that Archie is losing out on an opportunity to spend time with members of his extended family and their children. The young children of the York and Tindall (possibly Phillips) families will likely be back at BP watching the festivities from the Palace windows with their nannies with no exposure to the media. Having time to mix with other children who are about the same age is a bonus IMO. Archie will be able to see his father dressed for the occasion and wearing his Orders. He's at a good age to be introduced to this part of his heritage and to make memories that will last a lifetime.
Quote from: Curryong on April 18, 2023, 02:23:17 AM
Yes, it is better to be surrounded, engulfed by friendly faces and love, not icy disapproval. I do wonder how much children under five actually remember of these historic events anyway, and how much are impressions from documentaries and older relatives talking about it. And I?m sure Archie anyway will love seeing the Invictus Games.
IMO Archie could enjoy attending both events and would have the opportunity to now have the memories of a lifetime. :happy:
Also, has Harry talked about him in his book, Simon Case has had a lot come out about him most recently "direct discrimination and harassment" sounds like a narrative that was projected onto Meghan, only this time, someone is actually going to come forward and back up their claims. But given the deep dives I?ve on Simon, this isn?t new and gives an example of that Torrie to Royal Palace pipeline. I also think he played a key part in the nastiness toward Meghan but that?s for another time when I?m not typing everyone out on the phone.
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Possibly, but kids Archie?s age & his friends are in California, not the UK.
He could see his dad dressed up in orders and etc but he?d remember because of pictures from the day. So they could get any photo of Harry dressed in official dress and show Archie to remind him, it doesn?t need to be Coronation day. In fact, we don?t even know just how much Harry will be dressed and etc.
And kids pick up on tension, he doesn?t need to spend his bday, with people who hate his mother (even if you feel the hate is justified, I?m not arguing that), as Curry said, icy stares and disapproval on a day that?s about celebrating him and his milestones. On days like that, he should be with people who love him, love his parents and can generate warmth without fault.
He wouldn?t be able to get that in the UK. I remember after Lili?s bday, a Telegraph Article came out about how members of the family shunned a 1 years old bday because they didn?t think it would look good.
True or not, I wouldn?t even chance it.
Video chat, video calls and etc exist. He can get to know his extended family throughout the year but his bday, that should be about him. Not his parents worrying if they do anything for his bday, is it over shadowing Charles. Nah. Archie has a loving, supportive home and family in the US.
You go where you?re celebrated and loved, not tolerated. Archie would have more fun with his friends from pre-school (?) then getting to know a bunch of people for one day and then flying back home.
I can admit some stuff would be cool to see but it?s not the end all be all. So yeah agree to disagree. It could be cool but his bday isn?t the time to try and introduce and etc. I also don?t agree that the kids are less exposed, the non-working royal kids might be talked about less but the family still deals with the tabloids, for photo taking, even simple engagements like the Easter Walk (not really an engagement but access is given to tabloids media)
And those people should be able to get 0 access to Archie or Lili, if they get a photo after it?s released by the Sussex?s and etc, sure but that media has been to violent to the Meghan, Harry and the kids for them to even possibly get a shot.
Invictus would be a better ?debut? of the kids if there ever was one, it?s tied to Harrys life work. It?s a fun and inspiring event that celebrates people and their struggles and it?ll be tip-top secure.
@changemhysoul -Glad that we're having this discussion and while we're likely to disagree on this topic, it's always good to read a differing point of view.
As an educator who works with young children, I'm typically supportive of young children having the opportunity to interact with other peers their own age as well as experiencing something new and unique. Archie probably has a nice sized group of peers that he's met through pre-school but interaction with others kids outside of that group is important as well for their development. Considering all the sights, sounds and LOL even the scents that he'd encounter that day is more sensory input and helps to lay the foundation for developing memories and enhancing creativity.
Since the BRF adults will be at the Abbey, Archie would be with the young children and nannies so I just don't see "icy disdain" being an issue. The BRF has concerns about Prince Harry, not little Archie so I don't see any real problems as their children would engage with him. Little ones who won't be at the Service aren't going to know about the Sussexes' interviews, books and docuseries so I can't see why it would be a problem for Archie to have a play date with cousins.
^I agree. I don?t think anyone would blame the children for the behavior of the parents. Louis would likely have a blast with Archie. But it?s the parents? choice who children do or do not spend time with.
However, moving forward, this only makes me support the idea of making the title Duke of Sussex a lifetime appointment. It would be strange to see it be passed down to Archie regardless, but especially strange if he were to receive it having spent little to no time with the RF in England.
I agree, it is good for kids to get out and mingle with different groups. I mean, he doesn?t need to go to the UK to do that ether way, he just needs mingle different kids in general but I understand what you were going for.
I just don?t believe it should be on his birthday. That?s not the day to try and developed and shove his birthday in the middle of other things. On his birthday, he shouldn?t be shuffled to another country, to be with people for a few hours that he doesn?t have much connection with. Sure, people might not take out how they feel about the parents on the kids but someone doesn?t NEED to do intentionally do that to let those feelings out. It?s human nature. Kids pick up on vibes. No one has to be outwardly rude or mean. They would be with more than the Nannie?s and etc and anyone can give off a vibe that a child can pick up. Especially if his parents anxious because they?re worried about safety or how covering their mouth to cough is a slight toward the King.
It?s best to do what?s best for Archie, which would be not having fly to another country for one, when it has to be shared with another big event. Anything that?s related to his bday in the uk could get accused of trying to over shadow. His birthday shouldn?t be used as a test day for anything. THAT can come during the year without the pressure. If his parents or his cousins parents are so inclined.
But for his birthday? That day should be about for sure joy, peace, love and happiness. No what-ifs or anything. Let his birthday, be his birthday.
And once this whole event passes, then they can work on taking secret trips or doing something like that and connect that way. That way, there is no pressure, no expectation. It?s not a time when Archie should be having, being with the people he loves (most kids want to be around their friends on their bday, not meeting strangers unless it?s like a theme park or something).
Or if any of his family want to reach and ask to visit them in Cali. Eugenie has done it. And if that?s too hard, Harry could work on sneaking the kids in and out to a visit or something to the UK.
So I don?t disgrace that meeting his extended family in the UK can be could and something they should try. I just disagree that the burden and etc of it should be put on a day when he should be focused on and focused on by those who?ve been with him and watched him grow in Cali.
@HistoryGirl2 and @changemysoul-Thank you for your contributions to this discussion, I really appreciate it.
Coming from a sheer emotional point of you as a parent and teacher, I feel sad for Archie and Lillibet not having interaction with their extended family. Due to the scheduling issues for the senior royals, it is more challenging for them to leave the UK and to go to California for a private visit. Their travel is more heavily scrutinized because of their position. Knowing that Archie and Lillibet have yet to start formal schooling, a summer visit to Balmoral, or Highgrove is probably the easiest and most relaxing place to start for the King to meet up with his son's family. This might be the place to make a tentative start to the kids meeting their extended family.
In my opinion, related to the children, the use of leverage is not working, this is a historical event, once in a lifetime. Birthday parties are yearly until death, which again in my opinion, all that team Sussex PR about Archie's birthday, no show is a bunch of codswallop. Rich people travel whenever and whatever, no birthday party will ever stop the rich from travel, only the poor and those whose image is in trouble.
It?s not a once in a life time event.
There will be a Coronation for William, one that Archie would actually be able to remember. Now, I doubt Harry would be returning to the UK for that one but it?s not once in a lifetime.
There is also George.
There are 365 days in a year, a date other than Archie?s bday could?ve been chosen. But by, putting it on his birthday.
But you do know what?s actually a one in a life time event? Turning 4. He doesn?t turn 4 twice. Yes, he?ll have another bday; but that?s when he?ll be 5. So he might have to wait a while about there will at least 1 more coronation and ANOTHER one after that.
I don?t see any Sussex PR, can you point me to a statement or am any statements from other than saying the Duchess of Sussex will stay back with the kids. Honestly, us online and friends of the royals, Palace sources, royal Rota press pirates, friends of the royals and senior palace aids have spoken about it more than the Sussex?s or anything or anyone relating to them have spoken.
Anywho, Archie?s bday is just has important as Charles coronation has, he is already king. This is just a confirmation service. If and the whole point of the firm is putting themselves first, then Meghan and a Harry can put their son and HIS day first. This isn?t a polo match 30 minutes away from his house. What?s important for Archie isn?t being in a country for an event that doesn?t include him (in fact, we?ve been briefed that Archie and Lili weren?t invited, not included and not even invited to fringe events) or impact him in any real way. He should be with his friends, family, and loved ones in Cali.
And that is a perfectly valid reason. When your grandsons birthday is chosen, when other days are available, you make that gamble.
And obviously, it?s not image problems. Has much as people want to invent image problems. Meghan did nothing wrong during the Jubilee and Funerals yet, she was abused day in and day out. Family within the Palace was in a rush to tell us that Charles didn?t consider her worthy enough for Balmoral, telling us she isn?t family or welcomed. They leaked about the various ways in which the Sussex?s would be snubbed when the focus should?ve been on The Queen. Constant leaks and etc. abused for holding her husbands hand.
Honestly, there is no point to put herself through that for Charles Coronation. Meghan isn?t seen and yet she?s abused daily. 44 articles from the Express in a 24 hour period bashing Meghan for simply not attending. If people can?t see how that encourages and incentivizes hate, and makes it dangerous for her. This is a country that has made blatant attacks, calls of violence and vile things about her. She doesn?t need to risk herself for a family who shrugs and say ?this is the same? when it?s clearly not and they either don?t care or don?t have the capacity to understand how their silence gives quiet acceptance to that hate.
They got what they wanted, Meghan gone so people need to not be bothered by her or her kids not being there. So yeah, it looks like a birthday did stop this Rich persons travel plans. You don?t speak for for all rich people. So, that?s your assumption, not a fact. She?d rather celebrate her sons bday in peace and not be used as fodder by palace sources and the British media.
RE: TLLK
I do agree, it would be good to get to know his cousins. I just believe, that shouldn?t be done all in one day on his birthday. They managed to get in and out for the trip before Invictus, so they could plan something like that. Anything out of the public eye and not squashed between a whole big event happening.
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In my opinion Harry and Meghan failed big time with their hate speech from racism to trashing both sides of their families. In my opinion, the racism hate speech was designed to divide people, they didn't expect to see famous and leaders, including politicians of the black community - international from South Africa, USA and UK, to the Caribbean, intelligent people seeing what they were really up to. In my opinion, then the religious groups tied to family values, no ambassadorship would use them as a leading example.
In my opinion the people in it's majority including the people in the media can voice - both nations from where these two are from have the right to scrutinize and criticize them phrase by phrase, sentence by sentence.
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Quote from: changemhysoul on April 19, 2023, 04:33:16 PM
It?s not a once in a life time event.
There will be a Coronation for William, one that Archie would actually be able to remember. Now, I doubt Harry would be returning to the UK for that one but it?s not once in a lifetime.
There is also George.
There are 365 days in a year, a date other than Archie?s bday could?ve been chosen. But by, putting it on his birthday.
But you do know what?s actually a one in a life time event? Turning 4. He doesn?t turn 4 twice. Yes, he?ll have another bday; but that?s when he?ll be 5. So he might have to wait a while about there will at least 1 more coronation and ANOTHER one after that.
I don?t see any Sussex PR, can you point me to a statement or am any statements from other than saying the Duchess of Sussex will stay back with the kids. Honestly, us online and friends of the royals, Palace sources, royal Rota press pirates, friends of the royals and senior palace aids have spoken about it more than the Sussex?s or anything or anyone relating to them have spoken.
Anywho, Archie?s bday is just has important as Charles coronation has, he is already king. This is just a confirmation service. If and the whole point of the firm is putting themselves first, then Meghan and a Harry can put their son and HIS day first. This isn?t a polo match 30 minutes away from his house. What?s important for Archie isn?t being in a country for an event that doesn?t include him (in fact, we?ve been briefed that Archie and Lili weren?t invited, not included and not even invited to fringe events) or impact him in any real way. He should be with his friends, family, and loved ones in Cali.
And that is a perfectly valid reason. When your grandsons birthday is chosen, when other days are available, you make that gamble.
And obviously, it?s not image problems. Has much as people want to invent image problems. Meghan did nothing wrong during the Jubilee and Funerals yet, she was abused day in and day out. Family within the Palace was in a rush to tell us that Charles didn?t consider her worthy enough for Balmoral, telling us she isn?t family or welcomed. They leaked about the various ways in which the Sussex?s would be snubbed when the focus should?ve been on The Queen. Constant leaks and etc. abused for holding her husbands hand.
Honestly, there is no point to put herself through that for Charles Coronation. Meghan isn?t seen and yet she?s abused daily. 44 articles from the Express in a 24 hour period bashing Meghan for simply not attending. If people can?t see how that encourages and incentivizes hate, and makes it dangerous for her. This is a country that has made blatant attacks, calls of violence and vile things about her. She doesn?t need to risk herself for a family who shrugs and say ?this is the same? when it?s clearly not and they either don?t care or don?t have the capacity to understand how their silence gives quiet acceptance to that hate.
They got what they wanted, Meghan gone so people need to not be bothered by her or her kids not being there. So yeah, it looks like a birthday did stop this Rich persons travel plans. You don?t speak for for all rich people. So, that?s your assumption, not a fact. She?d rather celebrate her sons bday in peace and not be used as fodder by palace sources and the British media.
RE: TLLK
I do agree, it would be good to get to know his cousins. I just believe, that shouldn?t be done all in one day on his birthday. They managed to get in and out for the trip before Invictus, so they could plan something like that. Anything out of the public eye and not squashed between a whole big event happening.
It is a once in a lifetime event for *King Charles* as nobody knows when he will pass on so that William will be the next king!
Quote from: wannable on April 19, 2023, 04:53:33 PM
In my opinion Harry and Meghan failed big time with their hate speech from racism to trashing both sides of their families. In my opinion, the racism hate speech was designed to divide people, they didn't expect to see famous and leaders, including politicians of the black community - international from South Africa, USA and UK, to the Caribbean, intelligent people seeing what they were really up to. In my opinion, then the religious groups tied to family values, no ambassadorship would use them as a leading example.
In my opinion the people in it's majority including the people in the media can voice - both nations from where these two are from have the right to scrutinize and criticize them phrase by phrase, sentence by sentence.
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Brilliant....
Quote from: Nightowl on April 19, 2023, 06:32:18 PM
It is a once in a lifetime event for *King Charles* as nobody knows when he will pass on so that William will be the next king!
Yes.
And Archie?s 4th bday is a once in a life time event for him. So Charles big day be important for him and Archie?s big day can be important for him. Anything can happen, so he should enjoy his day, at his home.
And both people, can prioritized as they see fit.
Charles will have a good day and has his focus on him.
Archie will be safe and happy and have his day focused on him. Both are reasonable and great outcomes. The only issue are people who feel the need to monopolize Archie?s day for Charles when Archie is 4 and should be able to have fun without his day being about his grandpa.
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And you have the right to your opinion.
Nothing they said falls under hate speech. As much as people might wish it to be so to justify their feelings. Please don?t make light, and belittle what hate speech actually is just because they said something you don?t like about the people you like.
Or we just have vastly different ideals and morals of what hate speech falls under, but please, when you can link me Meghan or Meghan saying that any member of the family should?ve thrown over a baloney, when they call someone?s child a chimp, when they post art depicting any of the RF kids are dark skin, big lips, holding a gun, while having needles in their bodies, when one of them says that any of the kids are abomination that should be put down. When either of them, talk about how they?d love for the members of the family to be naked while having excrement thrown at them and etc.
When you can point me to them saying stuff along the lines of THAT, then we can talk about them and hate speech.
And yeah, they might like 40 articles of praise but in saying that, you completely skip over my point of 44 articles of harassment within a 24 hour period for Meghan doing what people wanted and staying away. If you can?t have a conversation about that and the real threat, best not bring it up at all. And thank you for proving the point of what I said, seeing as the only you came away with was ?I?m sure they love to have 40 articles of praise?
And I?m sure, they?d just be happy without the constant harassment but they, especially Meghan, is never viewed as a human being with feelings and because someone doesn?t like her, means they?ll ignore the abuse and harassment and claims it doesn?t exist. I don?t see a civil and nuanced convo happening so I?m going bow out on this front.
Also, I don?t know how much this leans into breaking rules but can we not bring up race and black and stealing because it?s giving racist dog whistles. Like yeah, walk-mart stealing is bad but you also have little black boys getting shot for no reason.
Honestly, tacking that part on, was sly and nasty and honestly I don?t have words. We could say a lot about white people but I didn?t go there, you need. It wasn?t needed, at all.
I?ll see you guys in a few days or another thread or something because?just wow.
There was 0 reason to go there and bring up black people for any reason at all. And in such an attempt to be a sly dog whistle about race.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12010109/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-laugh-smile-awkwardly-theyre-spotted-LA-basketball-game.html
Harry and Meghan seen happy and joking together in a box at a Lakers game. Harry leaned in for a kiss after being urged to by the crowd but Meghan just laughed. It was lovely to see them enjoying their date night.
Quote from: Curryong on April 25, 2023, 09:00:14 AM
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle laugh and smile awkwardly as they're spotted at LA basketball game | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12010109/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-laugh-smile-awkwardly-theyre-spotted-LA-basketball-game.html)
Harry and Meghan seen happy and joking together in a box at a Lakers game. Harry leaned in for a kiss after being urged to by the crowd but Meghan just laughed. It was lovely to see them enjoying their date night.
Was so happy to see some date night pictures! Harry thought it was the kiss cam and Meghan was like not in front of the masses! They had also taken the Archewell team out to the game!
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/25/12/70204099-12010933-Meghan_Markle-m-42_1682422272349.jpg)
There?s nothing sinister in that photo. Change observed in her last post that the couple had taken the Archewell crowd out to the Lakers game.
I wish to state I posted the picture because it ID's the staff, all of whom I didn't know. The Source of the picture: Daily Mail
I have not used any wording that is synonym to sinister. Thank you.
Quote from: Curryong on April 25, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
There?s nothing sinister in that photo. Change observed in her last post that the couple had taken the Archewell crowd out to the Lakers game.
Yeah, the Daily Mail is weird, as usual.
I agree, it's funded by themselves rather than tax funded. But then again, the couple are public figures, so the so called liberties of the media, especially in the USA, but also in this case the UK, where a public figure and 'public interest' is valid.
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I do wonder if Harry is included in this deal that Meghan created for both of them or just herself? The wording just got me to thinking is all.
And I wonder since this so called *secret deal* that Harry is spouting off about now so close to the Coronation, what else does the Sussex't have up their sleeves to make a stink or make themselves heard to interrupt the day for either Charles or William and their wives or any member of the royal family, after all they must be seen and heard at all cost.
I was reading another site and someone and lots of someones keep saying that *Harry wants to be heard* ...what.....hasn't he or isn't he still being heard almost daily anymore, there was the Oprah Interview least we all forget, the BOOK of all things, so many interviews all over the media circus and and yet he wants to be HEARD.....maybe he is not listening to his own voice in his head and is really deaf to the world around him. So Harry wants to stand up in court as some say and wants to be HEARD telling what....more lies, more his truth, more spouting rage and hate at his dad and brother....oh Harry you have burnt all the bridges and someday you will hit bottom and live to regret all the hate you have shouted to the world for that hate will destroy you in the end and your children will suffer for what you and Meghan have done. I have NO sympathy for you or Meghan whatsoever....money will never make you happy or anyone else for that matter as I well know that for a FACT.
Will he won't he go to the Coronation is still a thing according to the Daily Mail
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Coronation organisers are 'stressed' about Prince Harry's plans for Saturday, complaining that establishing them is 'like trying to communicate with Mars'.
Insiders told The Mail on Sunday that they were still seeking confirmation of 'when he is coming, where he is staying, when he is going back and whether he is happy with his seating position in the Abbey'. Some are even suspicious that he might still pull out at the last minute.
Quote from: Nightowl on April 29, 2023, 08:33:23 PM
I do wonder if Harry is included in this deal that Meghan created for both of them or just herself? The wording just got me to thinking is all.
And I wonder since this so called *secret deal* that Harry is spouting off about now so close to the Coronation, what else does the Sussex't have up their sleeves to make a stink or make themselves heard to interrupt the day for either Charles or William and their wives or any member of the royal family, after all they must be seen and heard at all cost.
I was reading another site and someone and lots of someones keep saying that *Harry wants to be heard* ...what.....hasn't he or isn't he still being heard almost daily anymore, there was the Oprah Interview least we all forget, the BOOK of all things, so many interviews all over the media circus and and yet he wants to be HEARD.....maybe he is not listening to his own voice in his head and is really deaf to the world around him. So Harry wants to stand up in court as some say and wants to be HEARD telling what....more lies, more his truth, more spouting rage and hate at his dad and brother....oh Harry you have burnt all the bridges and someday you will hit bottom and live to regret all the hate you have shouted to the world for that hate will destroy you in the end and your children will suffer for what you and Meghan have done. I have NO sympathy for you or Meghan whatsoever....money will never make you happy or anyone else for that matter as I well know that for a FACT.
He is included, Archewell belongs to both Meghan and Harry.
According to Neil Sean, Meghan's first assignment ordered by their new agent, she's in two - extending a real or fake olive branch to her own family. Agent orders, the Sussexes previous situation was manager (s) which don't order, they suggest. Either way the agent makes moneys with whatever they 'order' or can 'find' for their client (s).
^Interesting that someone is giving the Sussex's *orders* to do something, haven't they tried to prove that they are always in the right of very thing. Oh well, I just hope they find what they are looking for and go and leave the BRF and the British country alone, the last 3 years has shown how untrustworthy they are and how they backstab those that don't accept what they want. I just think they are very shortsighted in their goals and the future for if they continue on the same route as what they are doing now, then there is NO future for the Sussex's.
^ I say it only as someone when young had an agent (it is the same for sports, artists, celeb personalities) vs a manager. The grade of commitment with an agent is they find 'jobs' that generate money (the agent in the process of finding jobs, contracts is the boss, he/she does not consult or suggest, they are to be trusted to find the best possible contracts for their client, period) with all the 'best positive spin'. IF the sport, artist, celeb do not do what the agent finds/orders, well, game over sooner rather than later.
IF, and only IF, what is coming out lately since the Sussexes signed; 1. Olive branch to her family (Neil Sean, Fox News) 2. South Africa house constructing for the poor (Daily Mail source of a new negotiation to be sold to Netflix) is true, then the job of the agent is doing the usually right thing agents do. The 1. and 2. generates money in a positive way. Both situations IF done, will be followed by cameras and later sold to the best media buyer. The positive spin is fixing the image of 1. broken family and 2. the SA disaster trip in the past.
These 2 new options are completely positive opposite from what the couple did in the past, making moneys by trashing people, in the process their image got damaged.
This scenario is only IF it's true.
Agents only think of Money to be made, but usually it has to be positive for a win win situation. They do not operate to make people dislike their client.
To put it simple, basically when one signs with an agent, you are giving the agent power to be the decision maker. Agents sits with other decision makers (media bosses, brand consumer good bosses, etc) reach an agreement, sign a contract, voila. Yes there are difficult clients, time is always prudent to see if it will work for both parties.
Thank you so much for your comments and the info on agents hired. My thought is the Sussex's for the last 3 years have trashed the royal family and that is in the internet forever for anyone to read, it is not going anywhere and no one can put a spin to make it something it is not. So why all of sudden are they trying to look like decent human beings wanting to do something besides what they are already doing now? They haven't listened to anyone but that is inside their own minds and believe me we all have seen and read all the crap in their heads. I would NEVER trust them with anything regardless of what it is, building houses in Africa for the poor, heck they could of done that working in the royal family yet NO they want MONEY, anyway they can get it as that is their goal (GOD) above all things. They will always put something out about themselves in or out of the royal family everytime the royal family is in the news of the day, all because the Sussex's have to be seen and heard to feel important and secure within themselves.....Therapy 101 self-esteem and self-confidence is some thing they lack within themselves. If a person feels good about themselves then they don't go and attack others in or out of the media circus....they concentrate on themselves in a positive way, something the Sussex;s have yet to do in a positive way.
I too hope that Harry and Meghan can re-brand themselves in a more positive way than they have so far. But to be honest, I have my doubts. Since leaving royal life, none of their other projects have had nearly the 'success' in ratings and money as the tell-all revenge projects. That's what people are more interested in. The charity works are all well and good, but I would be surprised if shows and books about those things earn the big bucks. People like gossip. People like drama. People are fascinated with the BRF. It's their ties to royalty that have made Harry and Meghan famous, and I'm not sure they can stay on the A-list without that. I'm also not sure that they, and especially Harry, are mentally ready to move on from attacking the family.
I actually would like to be proven wrong on this, but I guess time will tell.
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I seriously don't think that the Sussex's can stand on their own 2 feet without the royal family. And like you, I would like to be proven wrong for the royal family will go on and the Sussex's won't.
I have a window of hope. I've seen people turn their negative image to positive. I just wanted to share what an agent (Agency) job is in my previous comments.
Of course nothing is perfect, but usually most of the agent clients do as is required if not it's over really. Literally it is the last chance in their public career.
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Bad clients can kill your agency
Potentially Toxic Client
1. Constantly Asking for Discounts or Freebies
2. Never Taking Ownership of Mistakes
3 to 9. More intricate stuff, not needed to mention at this point, Meghan and Harry just recently signed up
The ^ 9 points Red flags ID'd by Agency/Agents in agency history.
Also most clients hire an agency from the word Go as soon as stardom or great constant results are happening in their life (athletes, artists, public personalities), the minority are clients last chance to turn their image tied to fortune.
Sunshine Sach is a ''Consulting Firm'', I'm just statitng this fact because I've seen many wrong random tweets that SS failed, they did not fail, they aren't what I described as an agency, they are opportunists who don't care if the relationship is small, mid or long term and the how to make moneys.
People sign with agencies for their careers? sake but agencies REPRESENT their clients, they don?t employ them. No agency worth its stuff would bend clients to their own will or order them to do this or that. And it is very hard to believe that William Morris, one of the largest and most prestigious agencies in the world, would be taking the Sussexes on as some sort of pity case.
William Morris quite obviously believe that Meghan has quite a lot to offer them or they wouldn?t have agreed to sign her. The agency isn?t some sort of a charitable organisation, as it seems to be suggested in your posts. Both sides feel they will get something out of it or it wouldn?t have been mooted and agreed to in the first place.
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 02, 2023, 12:32:07 AM
I too hope that Harry and Meghan can re-brand themselves in a more positive way than they have so far. But to be honest, I have my doubts. Since leaving royal life, none of their other projects have had nearly the 'success' in ratings and money as the tell-all revenge projects. That's what people are more interested in. The charity works are all well and good, but I would be surprised if shows and books about those things earn the big bucks. People like gossip. People like drama. People are fascinated with the BRF. It's their ties to royalty that have made Harry and Meghan famous, and I'm not sure they can stay on the A-list without that. I'm also not sure that they, and especially Harry, are mentally ready to move on from attacking the family.
I actually would like to be proven wrong on this, but I guess time will tell.
@Kristeh-H - Add me to the list of those who would like to see the Sussexes "thriving" on their own and not merely "surviving" due to their links to the British Royal Family.
What Olive Branch has Meghan given to her fathers side of the family.
And I think the Sussex?s have been doing with their non-brf related work?.which they?ve gotten awards for. I mean, even the BRF thrives off the drama and etc. Their works?don?t get attention or highlighted as the Sussex?s. No one knows what The Duchess of Edinburgh does on the daily, nor the Princess Royal. Earth Shot, a flagship project from one the more popular members?doesn?t get mush talk or breathing room. Not really cares about the Early Years Project.
The time that they?re talked about the most?is in relation to Sussex drama.
On average, Meghan visits a charity and donations and gifts and etc come rolling in for them. So much that they had kids from a local school come help and sort. Members of the BRF visit charities and nothing.
Even on off-time, charities and etc benefit from being in relation to the Sussex?s. See, the constant fundraisers like the ones that is about to kick off for Archie and Lilis bday. Their supporters had a bench installed in Texas as a part of making a kid playground for the kids who went that horrible shooting. And that?s just one of the many things.
So I guess my actual question is, what is the measure of success? Who gets to determine what successful or not. Because from what I can see? They?ve been doing fine with their non-related brf stuff.
No one can delete historical court circulars of the BRF, they are the most famous royals worldwide.
Today, no one can tell me straight away, which country won Invictus Games 2022 and the medal count. Something Netflix should consider with the documentary?! Although I think that doesn't sell. Meghan is the main dish of Invictus, at least that is what paperboy media outlets published during the last invictus media. Not even a smal square with winners, medal counts, they are secondary rather than primary.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 02, 2023, 12:48:42 PM
What Olive Branch has Meghan given to her fathers side of the family.
And I think the Sussex?s have been doing with their non-brf related work?.which they?ve gotten awards for. I mean, even the BRF thrives off the drama and etc. Their works?don?t get attention or highlighted as the Sussex?s. No one knows what The Duchess of Edinburgh does on the daily, nor the Princess Royal. Earth Shot, a flagship project from one the more popular members?doesn?t get mush talk or breathing room. Not really cares about the Early Years Project.
The time that they?re talked about the most?is in relation to Sussex drama.
On average, Meghan visits a charity and donations and gifts and etc come rolling in for them. So much that they had kids from a local school come help and sort. Members of the BRF visit charities and nothing.
Even on off-time, charities and etc benefit from being in relation to the Sussex?s. See, the constant fundraisers like the ones that is about to kick off for Archie and Lilis bday. Their supporters had a bench installed in Texas as a part of making a kid playground for the kids who went that horrible shooting. And that?s just one of the many things.
So I guess my actual question is, what is the measure of success? Who gets to determine what successful or not. Because from what I can see? They?ve been doing fine with their non-related brf stuff.
The Court Circular notes royal engagements. They do events every day. They just don?t get awards for it because it?s expected that this work is completed.
To answer your question, success, on a personal level, is defined by an individual themselves. Externally, success can be defined in different ways. Money: they?re very successful. Popularity: not so much.
Everything they have comes from their royal connections. That would be fine if they hadn?t spent all of their time talking about how awful the RF is to them and how toxic they are?but notice that they still have not asked others to not use their titles. Why be associated with such an awful institution if you truly don?t need to be? The answer is that they do need it because Harry is not famous because he?s Harry; he?s famous because he?s a prince. And Meghan was not even close to being as famous as she is now that she is married to a prince.
I suppose they would argue that having their popularity numbers decline was ?always part of the plan.? I?m not sure that I personally believe that. I think the plan was for the world to take their side against the RF. That didn?t happen.
The letter that was suspiciously leaked to a paper that the Sussexes are very friendly with, was actually a reply. A reply to a letter that Charles sent expressing his concern after her allegations of racism in the Oprah interview. A letter in which she agreed there was no malice from the family member about Archie being biracial. Too bad she didn?t set the record straight after the media kept accusing the RF of racism. Guess setting the record straight doesn?t really matter when they?re on your side.
It?s silly to think they?d have any influence or even close to the amount of money without their connection to the RF because it?s flat out false. They may think they?re self-made. They?re not. And that?s fine. Rarely are wealthy people truly self made.
What?s been expressed is a desire to have them focus on their own projects and not make money by spilling secrets on the RF and their own victimhood. They don?t have to. They can continue to do the status quo, but they?ll continue to receive criticism. If they?re fine with that, then they?re fine with that.
But one thing is certain, the RF didn?t become famous because Meghan Markle joined the family. They?ll continue on with or without them. Conversely, it has not been proven that Harry and Meghan can make it without their connections to the family.
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But one thing is certain, the RF didn't become famous because Meghan Markle joined the family. They'll continue on with or without them. Conversely, it has not been proven that Harry and Meghan can make it without their connections to the family.
There have been 62 monarchs of England and Britain spread over a period of approximately 1200 years. They have records neatly and nicely written in leather bounded books, some at Windsor, others at the Tower of London of everything little to big, events, curiosities, the good bad and ugly, including troublemakers.
All the polls have shown this to be the majority desire of their citizens. Continuity of the monarchy, with hopes of Charles modernizing it, which is happening already.
I DO hope Meghan and Harry don't have the delusion that they are bigger than the BRF?! Although I suspect they do (think it) with the help of IMO Oprah, Gayle...
^ I think Harry is the main one who can?t move on, and I do genuinely believe he thought that he could solely compete with the family on popularity. Mainly because he was quite popular for years, one of the most popular members of the family. I think he thought that the family held him back, actually. He seems to have a very elevated sense of self-importance.
Meghan, I think, was never used to the glamour level of being a member of the RF, so I think the current status is a come-up for her. She wasn?t a popular actress before marrying Harry, and now she?s hanging out with Oprah and Ellen and George Clooney knows who she is, so I think she?s very happy. She would be fine being The Duchess of Sussex living in Montecito and mingling with the Hollywood crowd. This doesn?t require but so much as far as charity is concerned.
Harry has a lot of pent-up anger, mainly at his brother, for everything he feels William takes from him. He has a hard time accepting that the Prince of Wales will always take precedence over everyone else in the family, with the exception of the King and Queen. Is that fair? No. Whoever said that a monarchy was established for the sake of fairness? It?s just silly.
I?m actually not sure when it?ll end because I don?t know how much more anger he has in him.
My 'delusion' comment comes from the more daring Royal Rota, who have commented 'outside' of their ''employer'' atmosphere with claims of the same 'period of time', Australian tour Oct 2018, they were allegedly thought by themselves and a few US people nudging them to be bigger than the constitutional monarchy, ready to plan and strike it their own.
Yes there are coincidences of registration dates at official US sites for organizations, companies, etc. Discovered talks with US media outlets as early as before the wedding day, and well lately 2022 onward (the public and wider media discovering M and H since when, how, what, and so on, the best IMO Low and Bower), they were actually filming themselves everything even when Harry asked her hand :laugh:
But In my opinion, believing the more daring RR's, the catalyst to move faster came from their Australian tour 2018, 5 months after their wedding.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 02, 2023, 02:46:40 PM
^ I think Harry is the main one who can?t move on, and I do genuinely believe he thought that he could solely compete with the family on popularity. Mainly because he was quite popular for years, one of the most popular members of the family. I think he thought that the family held him back, actually. He seems to have a very elevated sense of self-importance.
Meghan, I think, was never used to the glamour level of being a member of the RF, so I think the current status is a come-up for her. She wasn?t a popular actress before marrying Harry, and now she?s hanging out with Oprah and Ellen and George Clooney knows who she is, so I think she?s very happy. She would be fine being The Duchess of Sussex living in Montecito and mingling with the Hollywood crowd. This doesn?t require but so much as far as charity is concerned.
Harry has a lot of pent-up anger, mainly at his brother, for everything he feels William takes from him. He has a hard time accepting that the Prince of Wales will always take precedence over everyone else in the family, with the exception of the King and Queen. Is that fair? No. Whoever said that a monarchy was established for the sake of fairness? It?s just silly.
I?m actually not sure when it?ll end because I don?t know how much more anger he has in him.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I don't think Harry wants to move on; maybe isn't even capable of moving on. He seems very fixated on lashing out at his family, especially William. And they are never going to grovel at his feet, so he's never going to feel adequately mollified-at least imo.
^I think you?re right. I don?t even think Charles, who is the most predisposed to want things to be good again with Harry, is willing to apologize for?well, I?m not sure actually. For not having every decision revolve around Meghan and Harry and what they want? For not banishing the reporters who write mean stuff about Meghan or having them brought to the Tower?
One things for certain, I didn?t say that the BRF became famous because of Meghan. I said, that they too, thrive in certain ways off drama and they weren?t being talked about this much after Wills and Kate wedding. And even now, a lot of that international coverage is relating to the Sussex?s.
Yes, they were big we?re not going to act like they were getting THIS much coverage pre-Meghan. The highest heights would?ve been Wills and Kate wedding and after that, an average lull.
It?s foolish to pretend that having an bi-racial American woman join the BRF, put them on the map and put eyes on them in a way it hadn?t been before. There was always an interest but there wasn?t THIS much interest. The only other time they reached this peak of international eyes on them had been?.Diana.
Like, there is 0 reason to pretend that the BRF didn?t get their own buff and clout from Meghan joining. There wasn?t international press coverage on the then Cambridge tour like there was following Harry and Meghan when the then Cambridge?s went to Jamaica for the Jubilee promotions and then when they did get that coverage?.it wasn?t good.
So, I don?t understand why people try so hard deny that shine that Meghan and Harry brought, the shine that Meghan brought and the natural charisma the two had as a duo and solo that brings people in. In the BRF we?re strictly the power houses that relied on nothing and we?re the end all, be all. People would know the work of Sophie, Anne, Edward and etc, The media would simply talk about them but no one goes on their tours and etc.
Meghans hair cut holds more power than some tours. So while I can admit the raise in Meghans profile because she married in, a lot of people seem hard pressed to try and ignore the shine and eyes that Meghan brought to the family.
They also seem hard press to ignore the fact that actual support and pay off follows Meghan and Harry and not the royal family so much. As I said? The second or third (depending on who you ask) in the family is Invictus, after the The Princes Trust and the Duke of Edinburgh awards for long lasting impact.
But thanks overall for answering my question. People measure success in how they want to measure. And if that?s the case, then Harry and Meghan are plenty of food because unlike their counter-parts in the UK, their charities or just small visits are followed up with more out-pouring of support for said places from the people that follow them. The people that follow the BRF are seemingly more interested in bashing Harry and Meghan, than supporting the charities that the royals visit.
Side note: Re-Harry, I mean, if my family decided that the press was more important that racism and constant harassment towards my wife and kids. I wouldn?t really care. Half of the time, Harry is going after the media but because they Royal Family are so invested and involved with the tabloids, it becomes an attack of the royal family as well. They?ve proven they can?t be trusted, for instance, new article and it says that it?s been hard contacting Harry. He isn?t telling them when he?s coming, where he?s staying and when he?s leaving. The issue? We the public shouldn?t know any of this. It?s obvious, he?s not giving more details because for some reason, whoever works in the palace or close to the royals have 0 issues with going to the media about his information. The fact that we even know he?s giving as little info as possible is an issue. And this has been happening to this man since before he ever opened his mouth.
It?s still amazing that people expect Harry to show loyalty to his family when they show their loyalty to the tabloids and not him.
And Victoria Ward is not a Sussex friendly reporter. She?s been writing nasty articles and headlines about Meghan. If anyone thinks Meghan is leaking to her of all people?.that?s wild and it shows how much they don?t know Harry and Meghan. Now, had it been Bryony that wrote the article about the letters then you?d have some justification that the Sussex?s said something but Victoria Ward? Of All people? Yeah no. That?s all I say to say on the topic. The Windsor?s got a boost by Meghan marrying in, just as Meghan got a boost but for some reason a lot of people pretend that the attention they got post-Meghan was there pre-Meghan when that wasn?t the case and people were indifferent to the royals at most after the cool-down from Williams and Kates marriage.
Now, if someone could answer my other question because I missed it, how has Meghan offered the Markles an olive-branch? Or did that mean something else because I?m not sure what the olive branch was.
^Anyone Harry had married would have received a lot of media coverage. Meghan said it herself: there is always space for royals on newspapers. Always. Always has been, always will be. That has nothing to do with Meghan Markle. The idea that the BRF need her to get attention from the press is ridiculous. They did this with Fergie and Diana. Before Meghan, there was a daily story about what Kate was doing right and what she was doing wrong. Before that, there was always a story about Harry?s girlfriend, who Harry might be seeing, what their life was like, etc. etc. etc.
I was under the impression that this was why Harry was in trial currently: because the media are obsessed with the RF and have wanted stories on them long before Meghan arrived. If Meghan Markle didn?t exist, whoever Harry married would be getting just as much attention. It just comes with the territory.
The added bit is the bit they have done, which is spill intimate moments and write a tell all. That?s gardened a different type of publicity, but not more. It?s led to more book sales and Oprah specials as opposed to articles. The papers, however, have covered and will always cover the BRF.
Harry doesn?t need to be loyal to anyone. What?s being pointed out is the hypocrisy of bad mouthing the institution who is the sole reason for your livelihood and still basking in all of the privileges. My own questions have yet to be answered on that front: why continue to use titles and demand titles for your children from an institution that has allegedly put you in a suicidal state and apparently sabotages you on a 9-5 basis? Why continue to be labeled the Duke and Duchess of Sussex if Meghan Markle is more famous than the BRF, who apparently wouldn?t have much in the way of attention without her?
I?ve personally not seen Meghan extend any olive branch to the Markles. Unlike the BRF, connections with them wouldn?t garner much in the way of prestige, so I doubt they?ll be receiving any letters or have Meghan host a special on all of the ways they?ve failed to live up to her standards.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 02, 2023, 03:52:01 PM
^Anyone Harry had married would have received a lot of media coverage. Meghan said it herself: there is always space for royals on newspapers. Always. Always has been, always will be. That has nothing to do with Meghan Markle. The idea that the BRF need her to get attention from the press is ridiculous. They did this with Fergie and Diana. Before Meghan, there was a daily story about what Kate was doing right and what she was doing wrong. Before that, there was always a story about Harry?s girlfriend, who Harry might be seeing, what their life was like, etc. etc. etc.
I was under the impression that this was why Harry was in trial currently: because the media are obsessed with the RF and have wanted stories on them long before Meghan arrived. If Meghan Markle didn?t exist, whoever Harry married would be getting just as much attention. It just comes with the territory.
The added bit is the bit they have done, which is spill intimate moments and write a tell all. That?s gardened a different type of publicity, but not more. It?s led to more book sales and Oprah specials as opposed to articles. The papers, however, have covered and will always cover the BRF.
Harry doesn?t need to be loyal to anyone. What?s being pointed out is the hypocrisy of bad mouthing the institution who is the sole reason for your livelihood and still basking in all of the privileges. My own questions have yet to be answered on that front: why continue to use titles and demand titles for your children from an institution that has allegedly put you in a suicidal state and apparently sabotages you on a 9-5 basis? Why continue to be labeled the Duke and Duchess of Sussex if Meghan Markle is more famous than the BRF, who apparently wouldn?t have much in the way of attention without her?
I?ve personally not seen Meghan extend any olive branch to the Markles. Unlike the BRF, connections with them wouldn?t garner much in the way of prestige, so I doubt they?ll be receiving any letters or have Meghan host a special on all of the ways they?ve failed to live up to her standards.
I mainly disagree with the person Harry married would've gotten this much because it's more than just coverage.
Yes, anyone he married would've gotten extensive coverage. But things would be very different if he had married, a white english rose.
Marrying, a bi-racial, america woman has legit put their lives in danger. That's a whole different ball-park. Along with the undertones of the angry black woman trope, the jezebel trope and the undertones of royal fans and media treating Meghan as if they actually own her and are upset that they don't.
So I agree that anyone woman Harry married would've gotten a lot of exposer but saying what's happening to Meghan would've happened any woman, is vastly down-playing has happened and what is happening to her.
The last bit is a dig, for what reason I don't understand but thank you. If you don't have the answer, maybe some else can chim in. I don't remember Meghan talking about how the BRF couldn't live up to their standards, I do remember her talking about how she expected family to family and realized that family is truly second place in the BRF and family only comes first when it come it comes to optics.
And they did get a letter, which Thomas than sold to the Daily Mail. If you're talking about other letters, lets us remember that Charles wrote her first and if Meghan was chasing prestige of the BRF has you say, she'd would've endured the abuse for Charles coronation, in fact, she would've just endured the abuse in general and stayed in the country as her in-law's friends trashed and her painted a picture of her.
I am still dying, waiting for Meghan to be the secret spiller people call her and actually spill the secrets and drama. Instead of brining up real concerns like stories of her being fed to the tabloids, racism and other serious real issue. I wish, for her to be the villain she's portrayed as and actually talk about the details, drama and other gossip in that family. In fact, I wish Meghan would've released private letters sent to her because then, I could actually see her as some gossip spilling villain.
We do agree that an olive branch won't be happening anytime soon with the Markles, mainly because Thomas Jr, did black face and mocked her and Samantha is running around claiming her kids aren't real and how much she hated Meghan since she was born, as well as calling Meghan's mother the maid to her friends. I just wish, Meghan, would've actually attacked the family and her family in that way, it'd be fun at least and the abuse towards her would be some-what worth it.
The UK tabloids, for the most recent media history had a Daily Kate (plus Chelsy), everyone called the UK tabloids, The Daily Kate. Several RR's are of the same age as William and Harry and earned their employment by following them, like fans follow a rockstar. Literally! Followed 'everywhere'...
The paparazzi were thriving then, they all basically today have had to sign up with a photographic agency to survive, because instant social media came into the game, random citizens reporting and taking pictures of famous people now and posted now.
Harry married a person who was in agreement to leave the BRF, hence the huge exposure, and will continue if the couple use their drama tied to the BRF. IF they decide on a non trashing direction, time will tell if they can make it.
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I am still dying, waiting for Meghan to be the secret spiller people call her and actually spill the secrets and drama.
Hasn't she created quite a lot of it with Oprah, Netflix, Spotify.
^^The coverage would have been fitted to whatever the press needed it to be to get clicks and likes. If she had been a white woman that was an actress, they would have called her family white trash who didn?t know how to behave (kinda like the coverage Kate?s family received on the regular before Meghan showed up?Uncle Gary ring a bell to anyone?).
If she had been an aristocrat, they would have painted her out to be a snob that hated Kate because she?s ?low-born.?
When he was dating Chelsy Davy, they made a huge to-do about how her father got his money and how unethical it was. How she was an insatiable party girl who smoke, drank, and did nothing but lay about all day (never mind the fact that she was in England to get a degree).
It happens with everyone. They need to create a narrative for everyone. I can?t speak for every rag and I won?t. I?m sure you can tell by my tone on the examples above what I think about most tabloid articles about royal wives and girlfriends.
However, the overwhelming majority of coverage has come from the things they?ve said and done themselves. No one put a gun to their head and forced them to go on Oprah to discuss what had happened or to go on Netflix to talk about their time with the family. They chose to do that themselves. To complain about incessant coverage when you?re the one that provides the material is hypocritical at best and infuriating at worst because that?s an attempt to gaslight us. I take no issue with their desire for fame, I take issue with their attempts to convince me that that?s not exactly what they?re after.
Are there people that dislike her because she?s partially black? Yes. Racists are everywhere. Is everyone that writes something negative about her a racist? No. She?s done plenty to gain the reputation she currently has and so has he.
And I?m glad you noted that Meghan and Harry were second place because it?s true. No, their needs do not take precedence. The same way Edward?s needs don?t. It?s a monarchy. There is a hierarchy of importance. It?s the nature of the thing. There?s kind of a line of succession that dictates how important your image is. That?s not a conspiracy. It?s not a secret. It?s obvious.
But no, I can?t see her doing anything on the Markles. She wants nothing to do with those people. They provide no glamour and associations with them do not equate to either money or social standing.
Quote from: wannable on May 02, 2023, 04:34:13 PM
The UK tabloids, for the most recent media history had a Daily Kate (plus Chelsy), everyone called the UK tabloids, The Daily Kate. Several RR's are of the same age as William and Harry and earned their employment by following them, like fans follow a rockstar. Literally! Followed 'everywhere'...
The paparazzi were thriving then, they all basically today have had to sign up with a photographic agency to survive, because instant social media came into the game, random citizens reporting and taking pictures of famous people now and posted now.
Harry married a person who was in agreement to leave the BRF, hence the huge exposure, and will continue if the couple use their drama tied to the BRF. IF they decide on a non trashing direction, time will tell if they can make it.
I'm not sure
Hasn't she created quite a lot of it with Oprah, Netflix, Spotify.
Exactly. Everything is rooted in their connection to the family. Does she get along with them? What does she think or have to say about them? Will she attend the coronation? What will they say about them next? The interest isn?t her. It?s what she has to say about them. They are the attraction. Not because they?re anything special but because they?re royals; and people are fascinated by what goes on in their lives.
I don?t see the daily goings on with Archewell headlining the View or hit the front pages of the Times (UK or New York). They are not the attraction as people. None of them are. It?s the Prince, Princess, Duke, Duchess, and King titles that draw attention.
From trashing them to mocking them, she's done it.
What next a book of her 18 months as a working royal. :happy15:
^You mean the life as a working royal she claimed no one prepared her for even though Harry?s own private secretary prepared an entire dossier for her to review? Maybe she should have just one more private meeting with Piers Morgan and he could have really set her on the right path/sarcasm.
I'll be interested to read IF she writes a book. I'm almost sure it will be controversial, especially if you have the Bower/Low accounts of practically all the staffers, I mean the most important of them all are the 2 SS; Sara Latham and Samantha Cohen, they were top senior staff members. Both collateral damage, both with huge CV's before Meghan, both suspected that M didn't want to take advise and was working to make nothing work out. Samantha was more intuitive in the sense she told QEII and proposed to the other senior staffers and in general that with both Meghan and Harry, everything needs to be written, historically kept, etc.
She might. Although, it all would be a rehash. To be honest, I wouldn?t read anything she wrote. Didn?t read Harry?s book and his life has been slightly more interesting (heavy on the slightly).
I am interested in the point to view of the staff, so Low?s book is on my list.
Wannable and HistoryGirl2, you guys are on fire! I keep wanting to say 'Good Post' but I'd be saying it over and over. As for the rest, the BRF was famous long before Meghan and I think they'll be famous long after Meghan. It's the Sussexes who need the Royal Family, not the other way around.
Heh, if Meghan wants to write a tell-all book of her own, why not? I expect people will read it because, like I said, people like the drama and are intrigued by the BRF. So Meghan should make good money from it--and again, it seems that trashing the BRF is the only way the Sussexes can make big money. But that doesn't necessarily mean that people believe them or feel sympathetic towards them. In fact, I'd say just the opposite. The more they talk (and write), the more lies they get caught in and the more people tire of their complaining.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 02, 2023, 04:40:49 PM
^^The coverage would have been fitted to whatever the press needed it to be to get clicks and likes. If she had been a white woman that was an actress, they would have called her family white trash who didn?t know how to behave (kinda like the coverage Kate?s family received on the regular before Meghan showed up?Uncle Gary ring a bell to anyone?).
If she had been an aristocrat, they would have painted her out to be a snob that hated Kate because she?s ?low-born.?
When he was dating Chelsy Davy, they made a huge to-do about how her father got his money and how unethical it was. How she was an insatiable party girl who smoke, drank, and did nothing but lay about all day (never mind the fact that she was in England to get a degree).
It happens with everyone. They need to create a narrative for everyone. I can?t speak for every rag and I won?t. I?m sure you can tell by my tone on the examples above what I think about most tabloid articles about royal wives and girlfriends.
However, the overwhelming majority of coverage has come from the things they?ve said and done themselves. No one put a gun to their head and forced them to go on Oprah to discuss what had happened or to go on Netflix to talk about their time with the family. They chose to do that themselves. To complain about incessant coverage when you?re the one that provides the material is hypocritical at best and infuriating at worst because that?s an attempt to gaslight us. I take no issue with their desire for fame, I take issue with their attempts to convince me that that?s not exactly what they?re after.
Are there people that dislike her because she?s partially black? Yes. Racists are everywhere. Is everyone that writes something negative about her a racist? No. She?s done plenty to gain the reputation she currently has and so has he.
And I?m glad you noted that Meghan and Harry were second place because it?s true. No, their needs do not take precedence. The same way Edward?s needs don?t. It?s a monarchy. There is a hierarchy of importance. It?s the nature of the thing. There?s kind of a line of succession that dictates how important your image is. That?s not a conspiracy. It?s not a secret. It?s obvious.
But no, I can?t see her doing anything on the Markles. She wants nothing to do with those people. They provide no glamour and associations with them do not equate to either money or social standing.
:goodpost:
And I wish it could say........*Brilliant Post* for that is just what it is. Why she and Harry who was born *2nd* in the family of Charles and Diana don't understand that is beyond me. I have been reading and reading more and I see that *egos and jealousy* have taken over the lives of the Sussex's totally. That is on them only and the BRF will move on and they the Sussex's will stay the same.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 02, 2023, 04:22:57 PM
I mainly disagree with the person Harry married would've gotten this much because it's more than just coverage.
Yes, anyone he married would've gotten extensive coverage. But things would be very different if he had married, a white english rose.
Marrying, a bi-racial, america woman has legit put their lives in danger. That's a whole different ball-park. Along with the undertones of the angry black woman trope, the jezebel trope and the undertones of royal fans and media treating Meghan as if they actually own her and are upset that they don't.
So I agree that anyone woman Harry married would've gotten a lot of exposer but saying what's happening to Meghan would've happened any woman, is vastly down-playing has happened and what is happening to her.
The last bit is a dig, for what reason I don't understand but thank you. If you don't have the answer, maybe some else can chim in. I don't remember Meghan talking about how the BRF couldn't live up to their standards, I do remember her talking about how she expected family to family and realized that family is truly second place in the BRF and family only comes first when it come it comes to optics.
And they did get a letter, which Thomas than sold to the Daily Mail. If you're talking about other letters, lets us remember that Charles wrote her first and if Meghan was chasing prestige of the BRF has you say, she'd would've endured the abuse for Charles coronation, in fact, she would've just endured the abuse in general and stayed in the country as her in-law's friends trashed and her painted a picture of her.
I am still dying, waiting for Meghan to be the secret spiller people call her and actually spill the secrets and drama. Instead of brining up real concerns like stories of her being fed to the tabloids, racism and other serious real issue. I wish, for her to be the villain she's portrayed as and actually talk about the details, drama and other gossip in that family. In fact, I wish Meghan would've released private letters sent to her because then, I could actually see her as some gossip spilling villain.
We do agree that an olive branch won't be happening anytime soon with the Markles, mainly because Thomas Jr, did black face and mocked her and Samantha is running around claiming her kids aren't real and how much she hated Meghan since she was born, as well as calling Meghan's mother the maid to her friends. I just wish, Meghan, would've actually attacked the family and her family in that way, it'd be fun at least and the abuse towards her would be some-what worth it.
Least you forget that * white English Rose, Catherine* married into the BRF and suffered the same media hell as Meghan and so did Camilla and Sophie. It is not just Meghan alone in this world of Media Hell, all women marrying into a royal family gets some type of negativity from the media. There is NO grade on the type of media crap either, call it what it is, degrading and hateful crap from all tabloids out to make money off women marrying into royal families, they are bait for the tabloids.
Just want to say to *HistoryGirl2 and Wannable* what very informative and factual posts you girls have made recently. I could not have said it any better. So Thank You for all your hard work and in dealing with honest facts. :partaay: :flower3:
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 02, 2023, 10:12:44 PM
Wannable and HistoryGirl2, you guys are on fire! I keep wanting to say 'Good Post' but I'd be saying it over and over. As for the rest, the BRF was famous long before Meghan and I think they'll be famous long after Meghan. It's the Sussexes who need the Royal Family, not the other way around.
Heh, if Meghan wants to write a tell-all book of her own, why not? I expect people will read it because, like I said, people like the drama and are intrigued by the BRF. So Meghan should make good money from it--and again, it seems that trashing the BRF is the only way the Sussexes can make big money. But that doesn't necessarily mean that people believe them or feel sympathetic towards them. In fact, I'd say just the opposite. The more they talk (and write), the more lies they get caught in and the more people tire of their complaining.
Yes to your comment as I totally agree with you that the British Royal Family has moved on and that they will be around for a long time to come while the Sussex's only have this time to live with. The Sussex's in time will go like Edward and Wallis even if Harry and Meghan put out something every day to keep them in the news, that will grow very old and tiresome for many. Charles has William to continue the family, then William has George to be king later on and who will rule the Sussex's family. The have no kingdom, no court, no royal whatever just a website and a son and daughter to what?
Quote from: Nightowl on May 03, 2023, 02:36:29 AM
Just want to say to *HistoryGirl2 and Wannable* what very informative and factual posts you girls have made recently. I could not have said it any better. So Thank You for all your hard work and in dealing with honest facts. :partaay: :flower3:
Thanks Nightowl and Kristeh-H. It?s the lies that I find more insulting than anything else. But the people I feel sorriest for are the palace employees that had to deal with this entitlement day in and day out.
Quote from: Nightowl on May 03, 2023, 02:36:29 AM
Just want to say to *HistoryGirl2 and Wannable* what very informative and factual posts you girls have made recently. I could not have said it any better. So Thank You for all your hard work and in dealing with honest facts. :partaay: :flower3:
Facts may or may not be ?honest?. They also represent opinions and points of view of posters. Other posters could agree as a process of confirmation bias. We after all almost always agree with points that represent our own points of view. I happen to think that some divergence of opinion is good within a forum. Otherwise it turns into an echo chamber.
^I?ll have to disagree with you on that. Facts are facts. They represent reality. Opinions are subjective and everyone is entitled to one. That?s what makes a forum great. However, no one is entitled to their own facts. They just are. Corrections should be noted if something stated as fact is incorrect. Opinions stand on another plane entirely.
I?ll speak for myself and say that if you feel that I stated a lie or something I stated as fact is not actually correct, then please correct me. We live in a world where people feel they can have their own ?truth.? I do not subscribe to that view and don?t wish to, so please, anyone here feel free to correct me anytime you feel I have stated an untruth. Life is all about learning, and I actively look for opportunities to know more. If I?m incorrect about something, I take no issue with apologizing and moving forward. Especially since I know many posters here who have way more knowledge about the current BRF than I do.
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 02, 2023, 10:12:44 PM
So Meghan should make good money from it--and again, it seems that trashing the BRF is the only way the Sussexes can make big money. But that doesn't necessarily mean that people believe them or feel sympathetic towards them. In fact, I'd say just the opposite. The more they talk (and write), the more lies they get caught in and the more people tire of their complaining.
This seems to be the case based on all the poll data. In my opinion, it?s exhausting hearing people complain about their lives. I can?t remember which thread it was posted, but Curryong posted the ratings for the Markle family?s ?tell-all,? and they weren?t high either. I think a lot of people find it tacky to talk about private family business on television.
It?s interesting; Jerry Springer recently died and that?s all I could think about. The 90s was full of that type of stuff and though it?s been somewhat replaced by reality TV, I still think it?s a lot better than it was. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Especially when the accusations don?t hold up to scrutiny.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 03, 2023, 02:17:42 PM
This seems to be the case based on all the poll data. In my opinion, it?s exhausting hearing people complain about their lives. I can?t remember which thread it was posted, but Curryong posted the ratings for the Markle family?s ?tell-all,? and they weren?t high either. I think a lot of people find it tacky to talk about private family business on television.
It?s interesting; Jerry Springer recently died and that?s all I could think about. The 90s was full of that type of stuff and though it?s been somewhat replaced by reality TV, I still think it?s a lot better than it was. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Especially when the accusations don?t hold up to scrutiny.
All of the Markle family members(Thomas Sr., Samantha, Thomas Jr. and Meghan) that the public have become acquainted with seem to have this tendency share confidential information about their own family or their in-laws. I do hope that this is the LAST time we'll see this type of behavior on display but I have a feeling that it won't be. :(
^I?m on the same boat, TLLK. It makes me so uncomfortable. I didn?t watch it and have zero desire to. It?s private business, and I personally don?t see what can be gained from making it public.
I don?t even understand the motivation behind it. How can anyone think that talking about someone?s private business on television is going to lead to reconciliation?
@HistoryGirl2-Like you I don't understand the need to repeatedly share these "bombshells" about each other or their in-laws. :no: Honestly it only makes that individual look bad and petty IMHO.
All married ins since Diana have had good press and rude, awful media digging up and and trash.
After a while, it subsides. The public that follows that gets bored with it.
BRF keep quiet about personal problems and carry on. This helps that trash media stop too.
There is fame and infamy.
BRF can choose.
Sussex chose infamy.
As much as I am a huge Diana fan and was since 1981, her story she showed and told goodness hi many times, got boring. The people and press got bored and had moved before her death.
BRF will, are carrying on. Sussex is still spewing smut.
Their calling card.
See daily mail?s interview of Omid , Megs fruend, mouthpiece, insider?..saying Sussex had to wait fi an invite?how Sussex was not sure if they were invited..l
More smut. More talk talk talk.p.
This does not put them in a good light.
If Omid is considered the Sussex's friend by having fair and not nasty reporting....then Jobson is a friend of Charles, that friend of Charles aid Archie should be hanged off a balcony. Richard Kay is then a friend of the Wales and he's said nasty things about Meghan.....
So that means that their actions and words are reflection of and the thoughts of Charles, Camilla, William and Kate. That means, all of the royal reports who use nasty and vile, racist undertones are the mouth pieces of the Palace and Royal Family members. If Omid, simply from writing a book and being nice about the Sussex's are now his their mouth pieces (which he's not), I hope in the future, the same standard will be applied to all Royals. Unlike, members of the family who host parties for The Sun tabloids at Clarence House or the many photos of various members of the Royal Family being pictured with the OWNER of the Daily Mail, you can't find that with Omid and the Sussex's.
And also, if listened to his actual report and second-hand of the Daily Mail, Omid didn't say anything inflammatory. And he's was repeating what's been said over the past few weeks. He said, Harry wasn't sure if he was really welcomed, which...fits with reports leading up that the family hated him and didn't want him around. It was reported by the tabloids, people love running too that Harry and Meghan only received a save the date email but not a formal invitation. At that point, what did they expect? For the Sussex's to BEG to get a formal invite.
So the Sussex's haven't spewed anything about this event, other than, they got the invite, Harry is coming and Meghan will be staying. What Omid said....is the EXACT same thing the royal reporters have been saying up until this point. The only difference? He doesn't take the time to put in nasty digs about the Sussex's. He gives even reporting without all of the extra. But I've learned that people go to the royal reporters and sites like the daily mail because they are nasty and instead of simply reporting facts, they make sure to dig to get a dig in a Meghan -a woman who's barely been seen or heard from in over 6 months-.
And I'll repeat, I support Harry speaking up because, well, I don't believe in protecting or keeping quiet for abusers or those who sit idly by while people are being abused.
But I think Harry and Meghan are the ones being abusive. They say--or slyly imply--things that are not true. They spread misinformation, half--truths, and lies, or they sit idly by while others do so. They do so to make money, and out of spite and jealousy. I think the only problem they have with the Royal Family is that Harry isn't the heir. If he were, I think they'd be over in Great Britain right now.
BP has seized their game quite a while ago. The couple couldn't deny receiving an invitation, Omid saying it took a while to receive one is not true. BP made sure the lengthy email, called The Guide (to all guests) to The Coronation was received by the couple and notified to worldwide media. The guide for Meghan and Harry is different to all the other guests because he is one of the son's to the King. Non working et all, but one of the son's.
Also Harry said in January, the apology he required.
Omid is an apologyst to the ''public shenanigans'' of the couple, twisting and turning the 'meaning' of whatever these two do. Too late implying that 'it took a while''. Nope Buckingham Palace leaked that the couple received an email, the Sussexes spokesperson had no other option but to confirm they DID. Since that failed, the couple go for the second game, no RSVP on deadline date for the organizers, let's be bad behaved, rude, etc. This only looks bad on themsevles. These two were forced to do their RSVP 48+ hours after the RSVP deadline with media oultest like the Washington Post, the NY Times, the Daily Beast notifying their USA readership of the ''timeline'' of Harry's requirement of a public apology, then to a private apology, then the email guide, then the POTUS FLOTUS announcement 36 hours before deadline and on and on.
They love to be drama queens in the news good or bad.
Imagine the length Buckingham Palace has had to do, leak a Coronation email guide and basically announce the BRF will NOT apologize, because since they've already 'taken hold' of the Sussexes games, the above needs to be leaked, announced. There is no answer back of their past shenanigans, so pre-empt and forestall whatever with the couple.
How sad is that? You tell me if they were strangers, but rogue family members.
Phil Dampier on TV said last night that Harry might not even come. Phil claims that IF any media (British or otherwise) notifies ''his plans'' meaning flight schedule be it private or commercial, he has said that's it, won't come. This is a combo of mental health issues with what else? How to take this news, I'd say 50/50 1500 grams of salt
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 04, 2023, 02:28:29 PM
But I think Harry and Meghan are the ones being abusive. They say--or slyly imply--things that are not true. They spread misinformation, half--truths, and lies, or they sit idly by while others do so. They do so to make money, and out of spite and jealousy. I think the only problem they have with the Royal Family is that Harry isn't the heir. If he were, I think they'd be over in Great Britain right now.
Exactly. They?ve been unable to prove their allegations, and some statements they?ve made have been flatly disproven. Examples include: racism being the reason Archie didn?t get a title when he was born, that television was never part of the plan when they left, that she was left to flounder with no training on royal life, that their engagement interview was orchestrated and she wasn?t allowed to ?tell their story??whatever that means. And my personal favorite: that a South African actor in the Lion King claimed that they celebrated her wedding to Harry like when Mandela was released from prison. Mostly because that level of narcissism shows me the type of person I believe her to be.
Then there?s the ridiculous contradictions that make it difficult to believe they are telling the truth. Like the fact that Harry had a therapist on speed dial, but she stated the Palace didn?t allow her to see one even when she claimed she was suicidal.
And that the Palace leaked information about the bullying claims to smear her?even though BP looks like a place that allowed bullying to occur by her and possibly other members of the family?yeah, I?m sure they?re thrilled that got out there. Harry also accused William of ?feeding into the narrative about Meghan? because he took the staff?s side about her conduct and he confirms himself that at least one member was in tears after having to deal with them. If I?ve ever come close to having good feelings about William as a person, it?s that one. Good on him for standing up for a staff member when they felt they couldn?t do it themselves.
As far as what Omid said about having to wait to see if he was invited?didn?t everyone? Isn?t that what an invitation is for? To confirm that you are indeed invited to an event? It?s not exactly breaking news.
Meghan Markle?s comeback: welcome to the Meghanaissance - The Spectator World (https://thespectator.com/topic/meghan-markle-comeback-meghanaissance-harry-coronation/)
^I think good PR can fix just about anything, to be honest. It is entirely possibly for them to regain popularity, especially in the US, where their popularity is a tiny bit higher than in the UK.
But a rebranding is needed ASAP. She knows this. She worked in Hollywood for years. They miscalculated with their initial approach, now what?s needed is a ?rise above? attitude. I don?t know if they really believe all of those things actually happened or if it was just to play the media game. But what I do know is that the public didn?t find it terribly palatable.
Shifting the focus to others through Netflix documentaries and other projects whose focus is charity/education, they can regain public popularity. Now, will there be as much money made from that? No, because that stuff doesn?t sell like gossip does, but I think it would really help their image recover, which is likely more important in the long-run.
As I said a few days ago, an Olive Branch as a starter to both families will make their image ''easier'', the trashed families, if not the difficult way then by doing lots of charity and never ever get caught bad mouthing nobody. Hollywood is afraid of the couple, they spill beans and fibs...nobody wants to hang out with people like that.
This latest move that Meghan snubbed the Met Gala :unsure: Another fib, all those huge A Lister's there, but she can go in a few weeks to a C- award in a C- hotel in the same city of NY?!
Please please, as I said I really hope she listens to her new agent.
Jet tracker (reported by the media): Is a private jet 20 seater, Owner: Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, Chinese American, owner of the LA Times and part owner of NBA LA Lakers. The jet was tracked departing Van Nuys Airport, LA, California, landing Farnborough Airport, Hampshire, England. 1 hour drive to Windsor.
Yes, like other members of the RF and dozens of celebrities, Harry has wealthy friends who can loan transport which can be hired. So? Hello there Hugh Grovsvenor, the Rothschilds etc.
The Sussexes have quite close links through charity work with Dr Shoon Shiong.
That plane is owned by NantWorks, a California-based parent company of firms in the biotech, healthcare AI and mobility industries. The founder of NantWorks is Dr Patrick Soon-Shiong, a surgeon and pharma billionaire who owns shares in the LA Lakers with his wife. He is believed to be close to the Bidens.
NantWorks has worked with Global Citizen, with Harry and Meghan attending one of their Vax Live events to promote Covid-19 vaccine efficacy worldwide. Dr Soon-Shiong has also supported Global Citizen, opening a plant and health facility that aims to produce by 2025.
Quote from: wannable on May 05, 2023, 07:20:57 PM
Jet tracker (reported by the media): Is a private jet 20 seater, Owner: Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, Chinese American, owner of the LA Times and part owner of NBA LA Lakers. The jet was tracked departing Van Nuys Airport, LA, California, landing Farnborough Airport, Hampshire, England. 1 hour drive to Windsor.
Par for the course for global ?environmentalists? these days. Nothing new. Glad that?s not really a touchstone of Archewell enterprise.
So, according to this (admittedly it?s the Fail but seems to be true) Harry flew into London on a commercial airlines flight, American Airlines, among ?stunned passengers?. So he didn?t use a private jet or private aircraft of any kind.
Prince Harry jetted into UK for the coronation on commercial American Airlines flight this morning | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12052487/Prince-Harry-jetted-UK-coronation-commercial-American-Airlines-flight-morning.html#:~:text=Harry%20flew%20in%20from%20Los),and%20two%20children%20at%20home.
^That?s a good choice for him. Hopefully, he will also take a commercial flight home.
who really cares? He is just there because Charles does not want to cut him off altogether, but I'm sure most of the family will just want to say a civil hello to him and that's it.
Dern it. I just turned on CNN, 3:45 CST, Southern( West) USA, Texas that is, lol. Well, I was sleeping before anyway.
Fascinating.
I hope commentators do not mention him. Her.
The damage they did by drooping a few spoons of gasoline here and there over their years and then sit back and watch others, the world, light the matches HAS DONE AT LEAST A DECADE OF IRREPARABLE DESTRUCTION to BRF.
I agree with
@wannable ,
@HistoryGirl .
Saw some photos of Harry leaving, hopefully, a quick trip to get changed and then back on the plane and back home to his son!
I'm glad Harry managed to come, show his face, smile and get back to his most important people. He didn't do anything extra, we haven't heard from him so anymore chatter is coming from the media and those who like to use him for clicks.
All in all, he did what he needed to do and moved on.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 06, 2023, 01:15:17 PM
Saw some photos of Harry leaving, hopefully, a quick trip to get changed and then back on the plane and back home to his son!
I'm glad Harry managed to come, show his face, smile and get back to his most important people. He didn't do anything extra, we haven't heard from him so anymore chatter is coming from the media and those who like to use him for clicks.
All in all, he did what he needed to do and moved on.
Yes, Harry looked quite jovial and happy. He chatted to Jack and Edo, exchanged greetings with Anne, and was at ease. He was seen telling Jack he was heading to the airport to get home and that?s exactly what he did. He?s on that plane home as I write this. Home to his wife and family and away from the everlasting sniping of the British media. Wonderful.
Happy birthday to Archie, it seems papa will be back home by 7 p.m. PDT (Pacific Daylight TIme)
The Daily Mail has spotted his car and police escort at Heathrow for a return via Commercial flight.
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Prince's car is spotted at Heathrow just one hour after King Charles's Coronation after he told Jack Brooksbank he planned to 'head off'
I also like it that Harry had a jovial display during the duration of the #Coronation.
^Good on Harry. It would have been so wasteful to fly private for a three hour event.
The private jet is still stationed at Farnborough according to jet tracker.
But yes, I take it as true the US WEEKLY (originator by date/time, although I read it last night, the wording and copyrights sold to the British media) of Harry's ETA/ETD yesterday with AA commercial.
Dior
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Tailoring fit for royalty.
Dior is honored to have dressed Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, for the coronation of King Charles III in a custom design by Kim Jones. Seen arriving at Westminster Abbey, gain an insight into the savoir-faire of his three-piece suit.
The suit can be purchased at the Dior website, Dior tailoring :coy:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvc9evDWcAEaEhI?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: wannable on May 06, 2023, 05:02:46 PM
Dior
@Dior
Tailoring fit for royalty.
Dior is honored to have dressed Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, for the coronation of King Charles III in a custom design by Kim Jones. Seen arriving at Westminster Abbey, gain an insight into the savoir-faire of his three-piece suit.
The suit can be purchased at the Dior website, Dior tailoring :coy:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvc9evDWcAEaEhI?format=jpg&name=small)
Great! He looks very good and has worn Dior before.
No different that the other members of the family who's dress makers are currently posting about the suits and etc. Also, not only for Harry but the foreign royals. The pictures of the detailing of Sophie's dress, very beautiful.
The working royals do not do freebies or paid commercial contracts, their clothing in this instance is noted in their year to end financial. IF they do a charity with a sponsor, transparency is also noted.
Neil Sean said that Harry, it is his right, non working royal has a deal with Dior. IF the working royals ever go commercial, it would be the end of the constitutional monarchy, that is why their expenses are noted in both the DOL and DOC.
He?s a celebrity now. Of course he has a deal with a fashion brand :laugh10: :laugh10:
As I said he has the right, he's free to do so. It's only the titles that is a pressure point to his father from all corners (people's polls, including media reports discussed to the top with government). I read this as let him be like Peter and Zara Tindle, who do commercial, no titles.
Quote from: wannable on May 06, 2023, 05:02:46 PM
Dior
@Dior
Tailoring fit for royalty.
Dior is honored to have dressed Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, for the coronation of King Charles III in a custom design by Kim Jones. Seen arriving at Westminster Abbey, gain an insight into the savoir-faire of his three-piece suit.
The suit can be purchased at the Dior website, Dior tailoring :coy:
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While Harry 's had a morning suit for many years now, it's entirely possible that his old one met with an accident or was becoming worn out after years of wear. If he wishes to have a new one, that's fine with me.
^I thought he looked good. I think he made an effort to look in good spirits, too, but not so conspicuous as to draw attention away from the event. I hope that things continue trending this way and everyone can just move on.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 07, 2023, 02:16:52 PM
^I thought he looked good. I think he made an effort to look in good spirits, too, but not so conspicuous as to draw attention away from the event. I hope that things continue trending this way and everyone can just move on.
Agreed. Let's hope that this trend continues.
We don't if Harry has a deal with Dior. Though, if anyone claiming he has a brand deal can point me to the proof or anything of substance about it, I'll say 'okay'
What we do know, is that he likes their suits or clothing. This is his at least 3rd time wearing Dior.
And if Harry is considered to be in a brand deal partnership or merching because Dior posted about him wearing his suit. Sophie is merching because her dress maker posted how honored they were for her to wear their clothes, as well as Lady Louis. All of the Queens and Kings that came to the Coronation and had their clothes posted about were merching as well. Reports or not. They could tell those who made their clothes not to post about it until the year end reports come out. They didn't do that though, on Coronation day, they also rushed to post about the royals wearing their clothes.
What's more likely, Harry bought a Bespoke Dior suit, wore the suit and Dior posted about it because....Prince Harry wore their suit.
He's a non working royal, he can (or not) do whatever deals he wants, he's free. :flower3:
So far it's only Neil Sean, Fox News, who said he knows Dior source.
I'll speak for myself in reference to my latest comments of he is free to do as he wants related to commercial deals or no deals. He is IMO truly free now in my own factual mixed with personal view; the deal with the late QEII giving them one year to comeback or not 2019-2021, and his father Charles wishing them all the best in their overseas life Sept. 2022. Mix this with my hopes that he won't trash the family any more, a fresh start, a deal with Dior isn't bad, it's great brand, A+.
EXCLUSIVE: Charles's sorrow at Harry's disappearing act: How 'genuinely disappointed' King raised poignant toast to grandson Archie 'wherever you are' at post-Coronation buffet - despite Prince having already left.
Despite the ongoing acrimony with Harry, who was on a plane back to the US within hours of his father being crowned, emotional Charles made a point of mentioning his absent grandchildren as well as those present on his big day.
The poignant moment came at a private family gathering at the palace following his Westminster Abbey crowning and appearance on the balcony with Queen Camilla.
By REBECCA ENGLISH, ROYAL EDITOR FOR THE DAILY MAIL
King Charles raised a glass to toast Archie's fourth birthday | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12056711/King-Charles-raised-glass-toast-Archies-fourth-birthday.html)
The buffet was like the QEII BP Christmas party for the extended, approx 60
Charles included Camilla's side of the family and the Princess of Wales side of the family too (Middleton's)
^ My opinion about rich families can travel despite one member only participating at a very public state and historical event is the same, hasn't changed. IOW, the Sussex family members could have participated in the very private dinner buffet at BP together with everyone else, the close and extended.
Prince Harry Got Home in Time for Archie?and Lemon Cake
Prince Harry Got Home in Time for Archie?and Lemon Cake (https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-harry-got-home-in-time-for-archieand-lemon-cake)
Did Harry just go to the Coronation just because Netflix told him to and that he needed that fat Netflix paycheck to keep up their million dollar lifestyle? He goes from one paycheck (the Firm) to another (Netflix and whom else, like books, interviews) to make money.
Personally I can't figure out why he went, so the Yorks said Hi to him, got a slap on the back, and some smiles from them.....that was IT. Harry has trashed, bad mouthed, lies, and stabbed his birth family in the back so many times that going there must of been just for the fat Netflix paycheck. So he has a new suit, no big deal as most celebs do deals with designers in getting to wear their clothes for a price or even free.....Harry might be related to the King, yet he has NO place in the royal family anymore, he slapped them all in the face and and poo canned them and left....And NOBODY can spin that any other way than what it is, it is what it is.......PERIOD!
If Harry and Meghan planned this OUT as a final goodby then good for them as the BRF will continue to do the job while the Sussex's will kiss whomever to make that dollar......who needs more chickens?
MEGHAN MARKLE
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Pictures taken today Sunday, 7th May
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Not even the RRs have suggested that Harry went to the Coronation for Netflix. Harry went to the Coronation because his father asked him to. Charles wanted both his sons there to support him. He was also asked to join in the official photo afterwards and the family lunch, but didn?t. I think he perhaps should have, but he wanted to get back to his family in California, and had decided to do that before he went to Britain. It was his son?s birthday.
Harry and Prss Anne had a short conversation and were smiling at each other at the Abbey before the service. That was caught by the TV cameras. She went over and spoke to him before she sat down. And he spoke to the Tindalls after the service. So it wasn?t just the Yorks at all.
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As a fellow poster here I am entitled to a right of reply when something is written I disagree with. Heaven knows other posters have written posts thoroughly disagreeing with what I have posted many, many times. That?s what happens in any free exchange of views I believe.
Voltairean principles. I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It.
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I could care less about Voltairean Principles and I need no one to ever defend me ever. I despise Harry and Meghan totally, plain evil in my book. Listen, my grandfather saved my life when I was 3 years old and I remember that and I was raised by my other grandmother when a child so NO one in this world should ever treat, *** on, disrespect or degrade or hurt and harm their grandparents ever. Harry is a spoiled BRAT and does not deserve to be a member of the royal family after all he was given in life, his life was NOT hard or cruel or mean and hateful, he treated his family with such disrespect, he *** on his family, he slapped them all in the face, he walked all over them totally like they were garbage all for the sake of MONEY, and Meghan well there is not a word in the English dictionary to say what I think of her. All this came from Harry for there is only one thing that is driving him nuts, his total JEALOUSY of his brother William, talk about who got a bigger sausage, who got a bigger bed, JEALOUSY is eating him alive today and will continue the rest of his life if he does not come to terms with his life, NO one in the royal family should ever apologize to him ever and for the way he is now, I would never accept it from him as he has broken all TRUST and he broke his HONOR and his PLACE in the royal family. Both have LIED, again and again and again over and over.
I have been in William's shoes with a family member doing almost the same things except it was not public and never will be, the hurt was beyond painful, it almost destroyed me for I could not believe someone in my family could be so evil to me all because of MONEY......and even my sister tried to turn the situation around to make peace and I absolutely refused to ever *trust or speak* to that person ever again and haven't. This situation hardened me to not just openly *trust* anyone ever again and I *don't* period.
This situation in the royal family regardless of who talks to Harry or Meghan ever again is going to make sure they do not openly talk about what is happening the family for then it might just end up in books or on TV AGAIN. I think William is a hard ass when it come to family members betraying the family.....I don't ever see him forgiving Harry or Meghan ever.......he, I think keeps them way back in his mind in a garbage can with the lid tightly in place until he needs to deal with them openly. He will never forget or forgive them for back stabbing is wife, talking about his children, disrespecting his grandparents whom he deeply loved and even in the concert today he spoke of his granny, what Harry has done to the royal family will always be a part that will never go away and NOBODY can put a damn spin on it and say it did not happen,it is out there totally plain and simple for the world to read and I am sure even some of his fans would love to shake the day lights out of him and tell him to grow up and work on yourself.....yet he is the victim and everybody else is against him...
If Harry's grandparents had put him in a dungeon, had kicked him out of the family, had told the world all the inner secrets of him and what he has done, yet they have not said a bad word about Harry publicly, then I would think very differently about him yet I honestly believe that he ***Hastened the death of HM with all the stress and drama and lies he told the world**** after all just look at all the pictures of HM and how her health took a decline from the time of the Oprah interview and all the carp he did till she died, that right there is totally UNFORGIVABLE forever and NO picture of Anne talking to Harry is ever going to make me believe she was nice to him for Anne of all people in the family when HM died suffered deeply as we have all seen in the pictures. .....I do not need a damn lecture on how great Harry is for he is NOT great at all, he is a winey lair who says anything to get people to feel sorry for him with all his tens of millions in the bank.....go Harry make a zillion dollars and just leave the royal family alone to to the job you ran away from....and that is out there also on the internet.......damn can't change the internet now can we?
Well I got Harry out of my system finally....got that all off my chest for good, so I am done talking or reading about evil people in the news and that even goes for Trump the monkey in FA, and believe me what I would to do Trump is not printable at all....
Quote from: wannable on May 06, 2023, 02:28:28 PM
Happy birthday to Archie, it seems papa will be back home by 7 p.m. PDT (Pacific Daylight TIme)
The Daily Mail has spotted his car and police escort at Heathrow for a return via Commercial flight.
I also like it that Harry had a jovial display during the duration of the #Coronation.
Yes, this was good! I am happy Harry attended the Coronation. His appearance was meaningful for many royal watchers.
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Can I ask how it was meaningful to anyone? He should be ashamed of himself for how he lied and disrespected his family to the entire world...I think that Harry is Charle's achilles heel for even in wanting his son to be at the Coronation. Does everyone forget what and how Harry has trashed his family for the last 3 years?
It wasn't meaningful, IMO. He was there because Charles wanted to invite him, though he knows it will be hard to trust him ever again. ANd he came so that he can later say that he came and noone spoke to him. of course the RF are not going to rudely ignore him when he is at teh Abbey but they would be utter fools to do more than make a show of being polite to him in public.
Harry has been selling (fake, fantasy and half truths) where ever they pay him for the past 3 years, so it's understandable to be weary of his 'moves' and the as per usual behaviour of these past 3 years, which he concocted with his wife proven as fact before their own engagement.
Having said that, I will post what Neil Sean, Fox News has said as recent as this week about Netflix and the Sussexes. As a matter of course, time will tell if it's true or not true. He said that his Netflix source are not interested in projects nor them being producers, they want a season 2 of more, in NS words, ''trashing and junk.''
1. Harry didn't go to the Coronation because Netflix told him. And I'll say again, if you do have actual proof of that claim, feel free to share it until then, it's not the truth, it's how you feel.
2. Harry went to the Coronation because his father asked him to be there. Simple as that. He most likely also went so people couldn't whine about how he didn't show up.
3. Fox News isn't a trusted source, see the election but since they're actually an entertainment company and not an actual news org, they can run around and have fun. Not only is Neil Sean speaking out the side of his mouth about Dior, he's also speaking out the side of his mouth about Netflix. I say this because, before he made a statement about what Netflix wants, he'd do well to remember that Netflix has Heart of Invictus coming out as well, so they've already moved past the Harry and Meghan focused content and has other plans. Now, I realize that mentioning that they have non-royal related content coming is hard for people who want cash in on Harry and Meghan but it is there.
4. Harry's appearance was meaningful to people and some royal watchers. Now, it's fine if one feels like it wasn't personal to them but royal watchers aren't a monolith. So, what's meaningful to one doesn't have to be meaningful to the other and the other way around. I think it's one thing to say it's not meaningful to you personally but it's quit rude to tell someone what is or isn't. I know it's shocking, but there are royal watchers who enjoyed seeing Harry there, family drama or no. There were royal watchers who also wanted Meghan there. I know this forum leans more into user not liking them and not believing them but it doesn't speaker for the wider world. So I do agree with Blue Clover, his appearance was meaningful to a lot of people and even better that he flew in, was smiles and all, talked to whoever, didn't cause a seen, showed that he could support his father for the ceremony and then quickly flew out to focus on his duties as a father.
5. I hope the article written about Charles saying something about Archie's bday is a lie or has some type of spin. To say "Whenever he is." Is completely dismissive. He's in California with his mother and sister and family, hanging out in the Bermuda triangle. He could've said, "Happy Birthday to my Grandson." or instead of making it a spectacle for the another "source" to give quotes to papers that have been cruel and made fun of his grandson, said nothing and contacted Archie privately.
All in all, I'm glad that royal related stuff is done unless it's a funeral. There is no need for them to coming for the trooping and I'm praying that the media will find something interesting about the royals in the UK to write about so we don't get about of needless articles around
Also, let us remember that the speculations about Harry and Meghan, calling them grifters, names, chasing popularity and etc came before they even opened their mouths. Harry and Meghan didn't need to say anything for that to happen. Especially, Meghan. And for all of the talk of selling, they barely sold secrets. It'd actually be more interesting if they did, at least I could understand the reasoning behind some peoples distaste, especially Meghan. I'm still waiting for her to be the actual villain.
Quote from: Nightowl on May 08, 2023, 06:46:24 AM
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Can I ask how it was meaningful to anyone? He should be ashamed of himself for how he lied and disrespected his family to the entire world...I think that Harry is Charle's achilles heel for even in wanting his son to be at the Coronation. Does everyone forget what and how Harry has trashed his family for the last 3 years?
Nightowl, Harry's return was meaningful to me. I hope for a happy reconciliation between Harry and his royal family members.
Harry put in his appearance at the Coronation. If it was meaningful to him, to Charles, or to anyone else, that's fine. It is hard for me to consider it meaningful since he barely spoke to anyone other than the Yorks and stayed the shortest amount of time possible. But I'm not a member of the family, and if it meant something to any of them, that's good.
I would not say that Harry went because Netflix told him to (maybe they did, but I don't know. Possibly Dior told him--how many times will they get to show off their morning suit to an international audience? :P) but I do think his main reason for going is because he and Meghan do want to keep reminding everyone that they are still royal. That means that every so often they need a sprinkle of royal fairy dust. And maybe Harry really did think that he was, in some way, supporting his father, although I would think that a better way of supporting his father would be to not lie about and trash his family.
Also, I would not go so far as to say that Harry and Meghan are evil, but I do think they are petty and vengeful. I think Meghan is quite ruthless in her ambitions and I think Harry is troubled, with some serious immaturity and jealousy issues.
Quote from: Blue Clover on May 08, 2023, 08:17:07 PM
Nightowl, Harry's return was meaningful to me. I hope for a happy reconciliation between Harry and his royal family members.
I think you will be waiting. Unless Harry changes, and I dont think he will, they are not going to get over his behaviour over the past 3 years. Charles will keep a line open to his son because he loves him. William I think is angrier and wont forgive at all unless Harry really apologises and stops his negative behaviour.
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 08, 2023, 09:44:31 PM
Also, I would not go so far as to say that Harry and Meghan are evil, but I do think they are petty and vengeful. I think Meghan is quite ruthless in her ambitions and I think Harry is troubled, with some serious immaturity and jealousy issues.
That's what is worrying, that Harry and his image makers were able to put forward an image of H for years that is so different to the real man. I cant help wondering if the family were always aware that he was an angry bitter young man and feared that one day there would be an explosion.
I think the family would have to have been aware of some of Harry's issues, to a degree. What I'm not sure of is if Harry's troubles were always this bad, or if they've gotten worse. I have to say that I think he and Meghan bring out the worst in each other and egg each other on.
It is startling and Harry's book seems to give a picture of someone who was always at odds with his family and his life....
Andrew was a second son too but his essentailly arrogant unpleassant nature came across to the public, after a few years. Harry seems to have acted as nice Guy Harry for longer
Up until he met Meghan, whatever his issues, he seemed resigned to the fact he wasn't the heir, his destiny is completely different from his brother. After meeting Meghan all the issues about status and hierarchy and pecking order came up.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on May 09, 2023, 12:13:31 PM
Up until he met Meghan, whatever his issues, he seemed resigned to the fact he wasn't the heir, his destiny is completely different from his brother. After meeting Meghan all the issues about status and hierarchy and pecking order came up.
It just seems to me that the issues and problems and general anger and fire bubbling under the surface were part of his life for a long time, perhaps all his life. It unnerves me a llittle that the image makers could make him seem quite a nice chap for some years, adn fool us, but under it Harry was angry, didn't like his job as a royal, didnt really IMO like the public who were admring him..
I wonder did the RF just try nad ignore this and hope for the best, or if perhaps all those stories a few years back, that Meg might continue acting or they might go and live in Africa, were because the RF knew he would not stay the course and were providing him with a get out.
^This is all just a guess, but it seems to me that Harry, for the most part, drank to dull his own feelings for the majority of his life. I think the Palace did a great job spinning his antics as the ?lovable, rebellious royal just being Harry.? As a result, he was quite popular throughout his entire life.
I don?t think he was angry all the time, even though his resentment was always there. I think he mostly joked it off or drank it off. When anger did bubble up, William advised that he see a therapist. From that point on, I?m not sure there was anything other members of the family could have done. He is and was a grown man at the time.
I don?t think the resentment spontaneously formed when he met Meghan. I think she just encouraged him to speak his feelings. On that point, I agree with her. It is important for everyone to understand and come to terms with their emotions, whether they happened in childhood or yesterday.
However, I think she has also enabled his victimhood because she herself identifies as a victim. This is an identity which requires constant fodder in the mind. This is then presented as someone ?stating their truth,? but it mostly consists of dwelling in feelings of resentment instead of confronting the problem and putting it into perspective. I think they both lack perspective and view everything that doesn?t go their way as an attack.
There were actual attacks against her by certain people and press regarding her race. All of which are unacceptable, no two ways about it. However, they now conflate any critique (whether it be from media, the family, and/or staff) and lump it in the same category. Again, lacking perspective and honesty.
So, to sum it up, I do believe the family saw that he was struggling and advised him to seek help. But do I think they ever thought he had such deep-rooted resentment toward them? No, I don?t.
Additionally, what more could they have done? They have given him what he wanted. He wanted to be a soldier that wasn?t just honorary? The Queen and Charles found a way for him to go to Afghanistan in a way that kept him safe enough but still allowed him enough freedom to feel a part of the army. He wanted to marry an actress soon after meeting her? Done, Charles even offered to walk her down the aisle when her dad wasn?t allowed at the wedding. What they couldn?t change was their place in the line of succession and therefore importance in the Firm. No, the Queen wasn?t going to bend the rules so they could both make money while being working royals. No, they would not be given equal precedence to William and Kate. They see that as proof of a conspiracy against their popularity. But perspective will tell you, thems the rules in a hierarchical system.
Credit to James Lowther Pinkerton, he did a great job with the time bomb.
On another hand, Meghan Markle is the boss, she is truly the numero 1, drivers seat!!!. So much for the PR of Harry's sacrifice doing a whirlwind trip to arrive Saturday evening to his family, just for a next day arranged pictures of the Boss with Backgrid hiking with her 'whom it started' from the beginning of times'; the Soho manager and the Yoga instructor, both in public pictures early 2017. There are loads of pictures with the 5 hour drive/hike/drive...
IOW, a great PR machine a la JLP mentioned above, would have told the couple that after the 'coronation negotiations', invent or have pictures ready of a family activity this past Sunday, this would cover the H sacrifice, the M is staying with the children, the birthday party, which technically an ETA 7:00 p.m. a drive to Montecito from LAX is 2 hours, 9:00 p.m., a family man would spend it with his family the next day.
NY Post criticized exactly that last night, like flabbergasted of their own self sabotage.
Alternatively they both can't help it, the self sabotaging. Matter of fact, no need of an expert PR to fix the above recount. It would normally come naturally to do a fam activity especially under the circumstances of the heavy PR from their team of the H plans and M plans, but wow.
^Those types of staged paparazzi pictures are par for the course in the business. As are the little drops of news about Archie?s party that were given to the Telegraph. Truthfully, I don?t personally see problem with that. They have to make money and that requires media attention of the right sort.
I see that as a positive step in the right direction. They haven?t said anything negative about the family and are going on about their business. True, it?s only been three days, but a positive step is a positive step, in my opinion.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 09, 2023, 12:44:57 PM
^This is all just a guess, but it seems to me that Harry, for the most part, drank to dull his own feelings for the majority of his life. I think the Palace did a great job spinning his antics as the ?lovable, rebellious royal just being Harry.? As a result, he was quite popular throughout his entire life.
I don?t think he was angry all the time, even though his resentment was always there. I think he mostly joked it off or drank it off. When anger did bubble up, William advised that he see a therapist. From that point on, I?m not sure there was anything other members of the family could have done. He is and was a grown man at the time.
Someone who is drinking and using drugs to dull their feelings of anger and despair is someone who is in a mess. It is a dangerous way to handle such issues.
From what I can recall, H said that he was angry for 20 years and drank, and then Will urged him to seek help. I think that he was pretty screwed up from his teens onwards and I do wonder did the RF know how bad he was and worry about it, or did they not know? Or did they just try to ignore it as they often do. There are a couple of occasions where Will makes a joke about Harry and I wonder, now, if these jokes were indicative of tension between the brothers rather than good humoured ribbing or ordinary boys fighting. Did Will find his brother dangerously volatile and worried that he was going to implode, or just found him hard to cope with and just put on a front in public. DId Charles perhaps worry that Harry with a foreign wife who didn't know much about royal life, would not really settle down to steady royal duties as a married man adn thought perhaps he would be better to go away and live abroad....
^Honestly, I doubt we?ll ever get any confirmation one way or another because William and Charles are the only people who could answer that. But if I had to guess, no, I don?t think they realized he was that angry. His father has been worried about him since he was a teenager, though. And William tried talking to Harry about their mother and Harry didn?t want to. What could he do? Force him?
I also think these things tend to ebb and flow. I don?t think Harry was angry every minute of his life. He likely had bursts of anger. Then he calmed down. So, when you look at it from the collective you think it was nonstop anger, resentment, booze and drugs. But Harry also was at Sandhurst, then the army, had girlfriends, worked with Invictus, did his royal duties, and had an active social life. I don?t think he would have looked ?in crisis? to his family. He led a full life, even though internally he was quite resentful.
I also believe this is the type of family where you?re meant to sort yourself out. No one is going to call you up to chat about your feelings on a random Tuesday, and Harry has admitted that he tried to be the same way, so I don?t think he told anybody about his problems either. He masked his real feelings for the majority of his life, so I?m not sure anybody would have seen him as a ticking time bomb. The family (just like all of our families) are filled with people that have their own issues of one sort or another. Most of us don?t spent every waking minute worrying until something happens. This is the something for the RF.
I think there was more worry than you are thinking. Charles knew Harry was drinking as a boy, and using drugs and abusing barmen. WIll likely knew that Harry was unhappy and angry at their mother's death, H himself says that he spoke to Will about how he believed for a long time that she was faking her death. I think if I had a brother who was holiding onto an idea like that for a long time, Id be worrying...... I think he did try to get H to cut down the boozing and drugging and get him into therapy but of course he could not make him go or stop drinking. Yes H did go to Sandhurst and was in the army but Im not sure he was really doing all that well there.
^After the things that have gone on in that family, I?d be hard pressed to believe that Harry is even top ten as far concerning behavior. They?ve ignored far worse. They suggested he go see a therapist for his anger, and he was seeing a therapist for an undisclosed amount of time as an adult.
It?s true, they could have all been terrified of what he was going to do next, but I don?t really see any proof of it. He drank and he did recreational drugs, not exactly rare in that set. And unless he was showing up drunk to a state dinner or at brunch with Grandma, I don?t think they?d consider him a candidate for Betty Ford.
like who? I suppose you mean Andrew but his problem was mostly women, and he conducted it off stage. Andrew does not drink and did a fair amount of royal duties, until he had to stop in 2019. Harry OTOH was using drugs and drink, while serving in the army, and then he was going to be expected to take on full time royal duties and be in the spotlight quite a bit...
I had always wondered why there were stories that he and Meg might go and live in Africa, or something outside royal life, and I think that it was perhaps because charles wondered if his son would stick out royal duties, or blow up soem day....
^His father was cheating on his wife and carrying on with a married woman and their public conversations got out for the whole world to see and even then the Queen didn?t want to get involved. That was after years of fighting and carrying on in private and everyone in the family was aware. Still nothing. Until they were forced to act.
Princess Margaret drank to excess and had to quit eventually because it led to poor health. Diana was bulimic for years and no one held an intervention.
And I?d say Andrew?s problems aren?t exactly something that can be set to the side because he did it behind closed doors. But they did mostly ignore it, until they couldn?t anymore.
The family has a long history of just letting every member deal with their own problems until the Firm has to act. I?d say that?s more to do with their backgrounds than out of cruelty or lack of care.
I think Charles wanted his son to be happy, but I don?t think he knew how to make him happy (trick question, no one can make you happy, only you can make that choice). So, he mainly just let him do what he wanted to at that point in time, unless it embarrassed the monarchy?modus operandi for the Windsors.
That is not at all true. Diana's bulimia was known from early on and the RF did call in doctors and psychiatrists from the first months of the marriage to try to help with her problems.
^And did it fix the problem? Where they on pins and needles waiting for her bomb to set off? Harry was also told to see a therapist. From that point on, they felt it was his responsibility to deal with it just like they felt it was Diana?s to overcome her illness. I?m sure they didn?t call her every night asking her if she had regurgitated her lunch. They advised her to seek help and that was that.
So, how would that be any different? If there?s one thing about the BRF that?s been consistent is that they don?t baby anyone. You?re expected to live up to a certain set of standards and you don?t get a life coach to make sure you?re on the path. They have aides and PR, but they?re not there to dictate how a member of the RF is going to live their lives. Show up to work and don?t embarrass the family. That?s the bottom line.
From what I've read about Diana, yes there were people worryin about Diana in terms of how she acted in public. DId she turn up for her engagement etc. I don't suppose the queen asked questions about the bulimia because it is not her style but there was concern about how well she was coping. Charles also saw a psychiatrist in the early years of the marriage... because of Diana's problems.
And Harry was of a different generation to Diana and the queen. He credits William with getting him to see a therapist and Im sure that William hoped that the therapy would help him cut out the use of drugs and so on. Of course in the end its Harrys own responsibility to work with his therapist and try to get a grip on his problems.
^And that is unfortunate. I actually agree with Harry that it can be a toxic environment. It takes a certain mindset to be able to lead that type of life. Some people can handle it and others cannot. He?s not wrong for not wanting to be a part of that life. He did have a very traumatic thing happen to him and he needed to find a way to confront that loss to be able to move forward. I think William and Charles knew he hadn?t fully come to terms with it, but to the original question, no I don?t think they thought he was a ticking time bomb. They likely thought their son and brother was struggling, but he?d find a way to overcome.
I don?t think in a million years they thought that he was this angry about his brother?s privileges though. And that?s important to note because Harry?s anger isn?t just at the media or at his mother?s death, it?s also the jealousy of William and Kate being treated differently to him and Meghan. That is the vitriol that I don?t think anyone in the family knew was to that degree of vindictiveness.
SARAH VINE: Sorry, Harry, the one reason America cared about you was because you were part of the Royal Family. Is there a Plan B?
SARAH VINE: Is there a Plan B for Prince Harry? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12065343/SARAH-VINE-Plan-B-Prince-Harry.html)
Quote from: wannable on May 09, 2023, 09:42:17 PM
SARAH VINE: Sorry, Harry, the one reason America cared about you was because you were part of the Royal Family. Is there a Plan B?
SARAH VINE: Is there a Plan B for Prince Harry? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12065343/SARAH-VINE-Plan-B-Prince-Harry.html)
Ah yes, Sarah Vine of the questionable views. In May 2020, Vine shared a bookcase picture "as a very special treat for my trolls" which featured a book by the Holocaust denier David Irving, and a copy of The Bell Curve, which controversially claims that intelligence is highly heritable and that median IQ varies among races. Admirable, I?m sure!
And of course there was a question about the kitchen she boasted about, and the 7,000 pounds to fix it up that apparently had come from her Conservative MP?s expenses account.
People who live in glass houses, Sarah, shouldn?t throw stones!
I just wanted to say, in regards to Diana and Harry having therapy, and this is true for everyone--that the most loving family and the best therapist in the world cannot help if the person in question doesn't want to be helped. That is, the person has to accept that there is a problem and be willing to take on the hard task of working and changing to make it better or to accept it. Family, friends, therapists can help and guide and be supportive, but no one else can do the work for that person. No one else can make them heal.
It's a hard truth I've had to accept in my own life.
^I agree. Deflecting, passing off blame, and thinking the rest of the world is the problem will only serve to prolong a person?s discontent and distress.
Quote from: Blue Clover on May 08, 2023, 08:17:07 PM
Nightowl, Harry's return was meaningful to me. I hope for a happy reconciliation between Harry and his royal family members.
I am glad for you yet let me ask you this.......just how in the heck could anyone ever TRUST Harry or Meghan again after all the crap they have dished out to the royal family? And believe me *Trust is way more important then Love* as there is no love if you can't Trust a person.
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 09, 2023, 10:18:40 PM
I just wanted to say, in regards to Diana and Harry having therapy, and this is true for everyone--that the most loving family and the best therapist in the world cannot help if the person in question doesn't want to be helped. That is, the person has to accept that there is a problem and be willing to take on the hard task of working and changing to make it better or to accept it. Family, friends, therapists can help and guide and be supportive, but no one else can do the work for that person. No one else can make them heal.
It's a hard truth I've had to accept in my own life.
A *Brilliant* comment, Therapy does not work for anyone unless that person accepts that there is a problem and a person must do the work to change their own life and heal within themselves. Nobody can do the work for you when your in therapy.......it is hard work, digging deep down and accepting the facts of your own behavior and decisions and why things are the way they are now.....real hard work.
Harry has a very long way to go before he hits bottom as does his wife which in my opinion will never happen as her own ego has a very large pedestal.
Yes to *It's a hard truth* as I also had to accept that in my own life. Therapy does wonders if a person accepts it and it saves lives also.
Harry's ghostwriter opens up about living with Duke and Duchess of Sussex while working on Spare | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12063471/Harrys-ghostwriter-opens-living-Duke-Duchess-Sussex-working-Spare.html)
He explained: 'Harry won the heart of my daughter, Gracie, with his vast ?Moana? scholarship.
'His favorite scene, he told her, is when Heihei, the silly chicken, finds himself lost at sea.'
Following this trip, J.R. then flew out to California again - which is when he stayed in the couple's guest house.
During his visit, the author noted how the Duchess of Sussex enjoys exploring the 13,600sq ft estate with the couple's eldest child Archie, four.
He added: 'Harry put me up in his guesthouse, where Meghan and Archie would visit me on their afternoon walks.'
The author says his attentive hostess could tell that he was struggling being away from home for long periods of time.
'Meghan, knowing I was missing my family, was forever bringing trays of food and sweets,' the writer said.
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 09, 2023, 10:18:40 PM
I just wanted to say, in regards to Diana and Harry having therapy, and this is true for everyone--that the most loving family and the best therapist in the world cannot help if the person in question doesn't want to be helped. That is, the person has to accept that there is a problem and be willing to take on the hard task of working and changing to make it better or to accept it. Family, friends, therapists can help and guide and be supportive, but no one else can do the work for that person. No one else can make them heal.
It's a hard truth I've had to accept in my own life.
@Kristeh-H -I know exactly what you mean and have had to face a similar truth myself.
Thanks, Nightowl and TLLK. I'm sorry for all of us--the people who see loved ones in trouble and are very limited in being able to help. It's heartbreaking and frustrating.
This past Friday night sushi for Meghan and Harry
TMZ
(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/a5/o/2023/05/13/a591a06fc7334d229a7fed18923f4de5.jpg)
The Sussexes were joined by celebrities that evening.
Prince Harry, Meghan Markle seen for 1st time since coronation (https://pagesix.com/2023/05/14/prince-harry-meghan-markle-seen-for-1st-time-since-coronation/)
QuoteWe?re told they dined with Gwyneth Paltrow and her husband, TV producer, Brad Falchuk. The foursome was also accompanied by Cameron Diaz and her husband, Benji Madden, as well as the CEO and founder of Bumble, Whitney Wolf Herd, and her husband, Texas oil heir Michael Herd.
Yes, the Sussex's were dining with Gwyneth Paltrow and her husband, TV producer, Brad Falchuk and
Cameron Diaz and her husband, Benji Madden, as well as the CEO and founder of Bumble, Whitney Wolf Herd, and her husband, Texas oil heir Michael Herd at am excellent Sushi restaurant.
Nice evening out with friends or maybe future business associates, yet it tells me that this is what Meghan climbed into the royal bedroom for, not to be a royal working member of the royal family but to be near and dear to what those in the entertainment industry that can offer her a way back into that world that she was once in after she left the BRF. After all this is a woman who plans her life down to the finest detail....Oh, Harry is just along for the ride and his signature.... Hope it works out for all parties! And time to move on to new things in life.
Quote from: Nightowl on May 15, 2023, 12:16:59 AM
Since the Sussex's were dining with Gwyneth Paltrow and her husband, TV producer, Brad Falchuk and
Cameron Diaz and her husband, Benji Madden, as well as the CEO and founder of Bumble, Whitney Wolf Herd, and her husband, Texas oil heir Michael Herd.
Nice evening out with friends or maybe future business associates, yet it tells me that this is what Meghan climbed into the royal bedroom for, not to be a royal working member of the royal family but to be near and dear to what those in the entertainment industry that can offer her a way back into that world after she left the BRF. After all this is a woman who plans her life down to the finest detail....Oh, Harry is just along for the ride and his signature....
No, it shows that Harry and Meghan are dining with other famous people. It's what people do.
Clearly, Meghan did want to be a working royal and was ready to do royal works as she projects she jumped-right into when joined the family showed. It's nice to try and paint a narrative because she's meeting with famous people but clearly, she was ready to work and do good-works for people often looked over. Until she realized that in return for her work, she'd be attacked, called racist slurs, linked to terrorism and etc for a family who barely cared. If she didn't want to work and use the platform good, she'd take years of being called lazy as she did nothing, barely attended events and the "she's settling in for over 5 years or whatever" narrative protect her. If she had her kids as quickly still, she could've used the taking care of her kids to fade from royal duties but then she would be slammed for being the lazy american who joined the family but did jack all. No, she was ready to do royal work what she wasn't ready for is something like the BBC making a skit, darkening the characters skin that is supposed to be her and showing her as tailor trash threatening Kate Middleton with a knife while playing into racism, xenophobia and etc or her son being called a chimp and her new "family" shrugging their shoulders as they preach about how much they love the commonwealth or diversity but doing nothing about the racism and etc knocking at their front door or the nations papers and tv commentators making excuses for said tv radio person.
Saying Meghan wanted to marry Harry to enter Hollywood is like saying that the Royal Family are in bed with the tabloids due to the many photos they have with the owner of the Daily Mail or being confessed friends of people like Piers Morgan and Jeremy Clarkson. Something that is denied on this forum all of the time. Or if Meghan wanted to be really Hollywood or celebs focused, she could have an entire awards show in America filled with American celebs while not inviting the winners or having it in a Commonwealth country.
Oh, and Harry married his wife and left with his wife because he figured out that her life didn't matter to his family. Please stop portraying this man as some random fool taken in by the evil American woman who put a spell on him.
Quote from: TLLK on May 15, 2023, 12:16:32 AM
The Sussexes were joined by celebrities that evening.
Prince Harry, Meghan Markle seen for 1st time since coronation (https://pagesix.com/2023/05/14/prince-harry-meghan-markle-seen-for-1st-time-since-coronation/)
As the saying, great minds think alike, yes we were on the same page elsewhere it seems like. The way of computers is incredible at times, things come after the fact and then things disappear after the fact.
They stated in their defunct sussexroyal website they wanted half in half out to go commercial, be independent and make their own money. The rest is history.
It is great they are making these connections, all from the same agency. New projects with no family trashing involved.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 15, 2023, 12:33:26 AM
No, it shows that Harry and Meghan are dining with other famous people. It's what people do.
Clearly, Meghan did want to be a working royal and was ready to do royal works as she projects she jumped-right into when joined the family showed. It's nice to try and paint a narrative because she's meeting with famous people but clearly, she was ready to work and do good-works for people often looked over. Until she realized that in return for her work, she'd be attacked, called racist slurs, linked to terrorism and etc for a family who barely cared. If she didn't want to work and use the platform good, she'd take years of being called lazy as she did nothing, barely attended events and the "she's settling in for over 5 years or whatever" narrative protect her. If she had her kids as quickly still, she could've used the taking care of her kids to fade from royal duties but then she would be slammed for being the lazy american who joined the family but did jack all. No, she was ready to do royal work what she wasn't ready for is something like the BBC making a skit, darkening the characters skin that is supposed to be her and showing her as tailor trash threatening Kate Middleton with a knife while playing into racism, xenophobia and etc or her son being called a chimp and her new "family" shrugging their shoulders as they preach about how much they love the commonwealth or diversity but doing nothing about the racism and etc knocking at their front door or the nations papers and tv commentators making excuses for said tv radio person.
Saying Meghan wanted to marry Harry to enter Hollywood is like saying that the Royal Family are in bed with the tabloids due to the many photos they have with the owner of the Daily Mail or being confessed friends of people like Piers Morgan and Jeremy Clarkson. Something that is denied on this forum all of the time. Or if Meghan wanted to be really Hollywood or celebs focused, she could have an entire awards show in America filled with American celebs while not inviting the winners or having it in a Commonwealth country.
Oh, and Harry married his wife and left with his wife because he figured out that her life didn't matter to his family. Please stop portraying this man as some random fool taken in by the evil American woman who put a spell on him.
I somewhat disagree. Honestly, I believe that based upon my observations since 2017 that Meghan is far more comfortable in the role as a well-known public figure than as a working member of a reigning European Royal Family. (I wouldn't include the African, Asian or Middle Eastern Royal Families as I truly believe that she would not care for the religious or societal restrictions in those families which by and large strictly limit the role of their female members.)
They basically said they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. The constitutional monarchy is bigger and greater than 2 ex senior royals who wanted to make millions. Those two things cannot mix, it would be the death of the monarchy. Nothing wrong, quit decently but no, incoming pandemic the economy screeched to a halt for VIP galas paying ex royals to show up, the couple went on a family bad talking spree.
It would have never worked out, Harry said he was forced to work and tour. He said she said, it all hanged out. They actually had it planned since before they got engaged.
I believe that some version of 'half in, half out' was always their goal. I believe Meghan used the Royal Family to boost her status and then planned on doing some royal events (particularly the more glamorous ones), and then also wanted to spend considerable time back in California with her and Harry earning their own private fortune.
If being royal, working as a royal, was really so horrible, I find it hard to believe they would have wanted to continue on, even part-time.
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 15, 2023, 02:55:35 AM
I believe that some version of 'half in, half out' was always their goal. I believe Meghan used the Royal Family to boost her status and then planned on doing some royal events (particularly the more glamorous ones), and then also wanted to spend considerable time back in California with her and Harry earning their own private fortune.
If being royal, working as a royal, was really so horrible, I find it hard to believe they would have wanted to continue on, even part-time.
What was particularly ?glamorous? about the Charities Meghan chose to become Patron of? The ones involving Commonwealth students, the abandoned dogs and cats, the behind the scenes work at the National Theatre or the particularly glamorous and really out there status-driven help given to poor women (often single mothers) who had been out of the workforce for years and needed new work clothing to get back in? Or the ultra glamorous work done with the ladies at the Community Kitchens perhaps?
The truth is that Meghan was more than willing to muck in there and help and assist with all those projects and more, but TPTB at the Palace, especially KP, had other ideas.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 15, 2023, 12:33:26 AM
No, it shows that Harry and Meghan are dining with other famous people. It's what people do.
Clearly, Meghan did want to be a working royal and was ready to do royal works as she projects she jumped-right into when joined the family showed. It's nice to try and paint a narrative because she's meeting with famous people but clearly, she was ready to work and do good-works for people often looked over. Until she realized that in return for her work, she'd be attacked, called racist slurs, linked to terrorism and etc for a family who barely cared. If she didn't want to work and use the platform good, she'd take years of being called lazy as she did nothing, barely attended events and the "she's settling in for over 5 years or whatever" narrative protect her. If she had her kids as quickly still, she could've used the taking care of her kids to fade from royal duties but then she would be slammed for being the lazy american who joined the family but did jack all. No, she was ready to do royal work what she wasn't ready for is something like the BBC making a skit, darkening the characters skin that is supposed to be her and showing her as tailor trash threatening Kate Middleton with a knife while playing into racism, xenophobia and etc or her son being called a chimp and her new "family" shrugging their shoulders as they preach about how much they love the commonwealth or diversity but doing nothing about the racism and etc knocking at their front door or the nations papers and tv commentators making excuses for said tv radio person.
Saying Meghan wanted to marry Harry to enter Hollywood is like saying that the Royal Family are in bed with the tabloids due to the many photos they have with the owner of the Daily Mail or being confessed friends of people like Piers Morgan and Jeremy Clarkson. Something that is denied on this forum all of the time. Or if Meghan wanted to be really Hollywood or celebs focused, she could have an entire awards show in America filled with American celebs while not inviting the winners or having it in a Commonwealth country.
Oh, and Harry married his wife and left with his wife because he figured out that her life didn't matter to his family. Please stop portraying this man as some random fool taken in by the evil American woman who put a spell on him.
Why didn't you show my whole comment, instead of part of it? You missed the last sentence of the 2nd paragraph which was a positive remark and that tells me a lot about how some here only make digs to create trouble.
Quote from: wannable on May 15, 2023, 02:02:00 AM
They basically said they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. The constitutional monarchy is bigger and greater than 2 ex senior royals who wanted to make millions. Those two things cannot mix, it would be the death of the monarchy. Nothing wrong, quit decently but no, incoming pandemic the economy screeched to a halt for VIP galas paying ex royals to show up, the couple went on a family bad talking spree.
It would have never worked out, Harry said he was forced to work and tour. He said she said, it all hanged out. They actually had it planned since before they got engaged.
I honestly believe that they planned this whole thing of leaving even before the wedding. Meghan is a very astute woman who plans her life and does not waste time on small things that gets in her way, she shuts out trivia and people that are of no use to her. She is mentally sharp and is very aware of what is going on around her when at events or out in any place in public, that is not a bad thing yet using it to do damage to others is. Harry is a joke, it is not his ability to fly a copter, it is his ability to not be aware of what is going on in his life all the time, and to keep repeating his mistakes over and over again shows that.
Quote from: Curryong on May 15, 2023, 03:23:10 AM
What was particularly ?glamorous? about the Charities Meghan chose to become Patron of? The ones involving Commonwealth students, the abandoned dogs and cats, the behind the scenes work at the National Theatre or the particularly glamorous and really out there status-driven help given to poor women (often single mothers) who had been out of the workforce for years and needed new work clothing to get back in? Or the ultra glamorous work done with the ladies at the Community Kitchens perhaps?
The truth is that Meghan was more than willing to muck in there and help and assist with all those projects and more, but TPTB at the Palace, especially KP, had other ideas.
What other ideas did BP and KP have for Meghan? I might not like Meghan yet she did some great work and even had a cookbook made to help people and I was wanting to see more of that kind of work for the people that need it. And no lecture on all the great work Meghan did as she was only there for maybe 18 months. It takes time, years of hard work for all these charities, just look at how HM did over time. Sometimes cutting a ribbon is very important to some people, it is the history and the very people involved in that charity that is important.
Quote from: Curryong on May 15, 2023, 03:23:10 AM
What was particularly ?glamorous? about the Charities Meghan chose to become Patron of? The ones involving Commonwealth students, the abandoned dogs and cats, the behind the scenes work at the National Theatre or the particularly glamorous and really out there status-driven help given to poor women (often single mothers) who had been out of the workforce for years and needed new work clothing to get back in? Or the ultra glamorous work done with the ladies at the Community Kitchens perhaps?
The truth is that Meghan was more than willing to muck in there and help and assist with all those projects and more, but TPTB at the Palace, especially KP, had other ideas.
I would disagree. If Meghan herself is to be believed, she scarcely knew anything about the royals when dating and marrying Harry. I'm not sure I do believe that, because she would have been incredibly unprepared and that doesn't seem Meghan's style to me. But if true, then she knew little about the work they do, and most people who don't follow the royals often think that all their engagements are the fancy, white-tie and red carpet events. Also, I thought it had been said that she didn't particularly enjoy all those engagements ("I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this.").
Quote from: Curryong on May 15, 2023, 03:23:10 AM
What was particularly ?glamorous? about the Charities Meghan chose to become Patron of? The ones involving Commonwealth students, the abandoned dogs and cats, the behind the scenes work at the National Theatre or the particularly glamorous and really out there status-driven help given to poor women (often single mothers) who had been out of the workforce for years and needed new work clothing to get back in? Or the ultra glamorous work done with the ladies at the Community Kitchens perhaps?
The truth is that Meghan was more than willing to muck in there and help and assist with all those projects and more, but TPTB at the Palace, especially KP, had other ideas.
I have to partially disagree with this statement as I would say that Buckingham Palace/ the British Government/Foreign Office and Clarence House had more to do with the Duchess' duties and positions during the 18 months that she was a member of the working group of senior royals than Kensington Palace. As it were these entities that were providing funding, staff, direction and more to the couple rather than Kensington Palace. KP was just as dependent upon those listed previously. I do agree that Meghan was "more than willing to muck int here and assist with all those projects and more."
Clarence House-The then Prince of Wales (Charles) was providing the funding for the Sussexes as well as a clothing allowance for Meghan and Harry. The couple did receive some funding from the Sovereign's Grant to assist with their office staff. Security was of course funded by the taxpayers.
Buckingham Palace: Prior to her stepping back from royal duties, Meghan had four royal patronages. HLM QEII handed down two of her former patronages (Association of Commonwealth Universities and The Royal National Theater) and Meghan had two that she'd selected which she still retains. Meghan was also appointed by QEII to be the Vice President of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust. Also the Sussexes were provided with their office staff by BP and were later given space to work there after the split with Kensington Palace.
Foreign Office-Organized any and all official foreign travel for the Duchess: Australia/New Zealand/South Pacific tour, Ireland, Morocco, South Africa. Meghan's other trips ie: Baby Shower and Tennis Match etc...were considered to be private.
IMHO Meghan's duties/roles etc...were largely influenced by BP/CH/Government/FO as they were the primary sources of direction and funding for the Sussexes just like they would have done so for any other working royals with the exception of HLM QEII and the then PoW who had their own sources of income.
They left because the kitchen was too hot so to speak, by timeline dates of events leaked to the public via themselves with their own badmouthing left right and center, media, books, etc. The BRF was dealing with two troubled (or bad) persons.
They basically pushed the envelope too far, every whim was given to them, when no more existing whims were able to be met, they ran away, the straw was Harry Nov 2019 ordering Jason to not speak about the bullying. We didn't know this then but events and timeline of things have come to be known. I suspect this year will be the last bits and parts of the couple vs their families, especially because Harry has used his family and friends in the hacking case. Chelsy via friends has already given last night a recollections may vary, of we split because I didn't want to be a royal, nothing to do with the media, I won't help you, leave me alone, I'm happily married, have a child, according to Neil Sean.
Tonight Meghan will be in New York to collect a 'Women of Vision' gong
Meghan poses with troubled teens and Hollywood royalty ahead of accepting 'Women of Vision' award | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12089397/Meghan-poses-troubled-teens-Hollywood-royalty-ahead-accepting-Women-Vision-award.html)
Meghan Markle Steps Out in New York City with Prince Harry and Mom Doria (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-steps-out-new-york-city-accept-women-vision-award-gloria-steinem/)
QuoteThe Duchess of Sussex stepped out in New York City on Tuesday evening accompanied by Prince Harry and her mother Doria Ragland for the Ms. Foundation for Women's gala, the 2023 Women of Vision Awards: Celebrating Generations of Progress & Power. Meghan, 41, was honored as one of this year's Woman of Vision Awardhonorees for her global advocacy to empower women and girls.
The event reunited Meghan with her friend Gloria Steinem, Co-Founding Mother of the Ms. Foundation, who presented her with the award.
So I have seen photos of the Sussexes and Doria leaving the event in a black SUV and then they later switch to yellow taxis.
Today this statement was released by a spokesperson for the Sussexes.
https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1658841560824401922?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote"Last night, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Ms. Ragland were involved in a near catastrophic car chase at the hands of a ring of highly aggressive paparazzi.
This relentless pursuit, lasting over two hours, resulted in multiple near collisions involving other drivers on the road, pedestrians and two NYPD officers.
While being a public figure comes with a level of interest from the public, it should never come at the cost of anyone's safety.
Dissemination of these images, given the ways in which they were obtained, encourages a highly intrusive practice that is dangerous to all in involved."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwVi7ZhWIAMm2oh?format=jpg&name=small)
Despite being confronted by uniformed police multiple times, the paparazzi?s cars continued their pursuit in trying to follow the Sussexes and Doria to the private residence they were staying at.
Traffic violations by the drivers include driving on a sidewalk, going through red lights, reversing down a one way street, driving while photographing and illegally blocking a moving vehicle.
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I've also heard that Harry was recording the people filming. My bet is on the Daily Mail. They had close ups of the family in the car, they had photos of Harry filming them and they've scrubbed some photos off of their articles of the in the car photos.
I wish they would leave them alone, they said they didn't want the American woman. She hasn't spoken about the family in months, she didn't bring them up about during this award and this award didn't mention them at all. She's doing what they wanted, she's GONE.
The only sliver lining, this happened in America where they have proper security and where they'll be taken care of by the people around them.
But leave them alone. She's away, focus on the dresses and the jewels and the people they uphold as being the image of perfect.
Considering that this took place in NYC, there should be plenty of CC TV footage to aid the NYPD in an investigation.
I have to admit that I am surprised that this continued for two hours and that their security team didn't order the driver(s) to take them to the nearest police station.
Quote from: TLLK on May 17, 2023, 03:01:09 PM
Considering that this took place in NYC, there should be plenty of CC TV footage to aid the NYPD in an investigation.
I have to admit that I am surprised that this continued for two hours and that their security team didn't order the driver(s) to take them to the nearest police station.
CNN is reporting that they tried to switch cars, and CNN had on a police officer that they said it was dangerous that they had to be brought to a police station. They said people were driving on side-walks and there are cameras around on every street and they'll be thoroughly looking into it. So, at some point they were at a police station.
Harry said he left Britain because it was too dangerous for his family. This type of behaviour would never happen in Britain.
The coupe chose America because apparently it's safer. Guess not.
Quote from: TLLK on May 17, 2023, 03:01:09 PM
Considering that this took place in NYC, there should be plenty of CC TV footage to aid the NYPD in an investigation.
I have to admit that I am surprised that this continued for two hours and that their security team didn't order the driver(s) to take them to the nearest police station.
Yes, I'd like to see it. NYC is one of the most CCTV's city worldwide. 15,000 covers the entire city.
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The New York Times
@nytimes
Prince Harry, his wife Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, and her mother were involved in a ?near catastrophic? car chase while being followed by paparazzi on Tuesday night in New York,
a spokesperson said.The Sussexes SPOKESPERSON SAID.
Then one sees footage from Alberto Ramos (Twitter), heavy traffic (typicall of NYC), they switched into a yellow cab, behind them a police car with their lights on, One (1) paparazzi.
In my opinion, a near catastrophic is a chase at ''high speed''. With heavy traffic, bumper to bumper, you'd need gangs of more than 12 like citizen videos of Oregon (lately) going crazy jumping on the car, burning it. There has been more than half a dozen of these cases in Oregon, no uniform in site.
New York City speed limit to 25 MPH in order to make the city safer for pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers. Data shows that driving at or below 25 MPH improves drivers' ability to avoid crashes.
DOT 25 Speed Limit FAQs - NYC.gov
The NYC.gov also says what I said, every street has a CCTV, 15,000.
Statement from @NYPDnews - "On Wednesday evening, May 16, the NYPD assisted the private security team protecting the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. There were numerous photographers that made their transport challenging. -
"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex arrived at their destination and there were no reported collisions, summonses, injuries, or arrests in regard."
^ Exactly, the NYPD has released a statement dismissing the exaggeration (or lie, NYC.GOV is very very clear, not only with every street with a cctv, but fines including jail time or community service if anyone goes above 25MPH, which is 95% impossible due to heavy traffic!!) from the Spokesperson of the Sussexes.
Cameron Walker
@CameronDLWalker
Royal reporter GB News
UPDATE from NYPD: "On Wednesday evening, May 16, the NYPD assisted the private security team protecting the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. There were numerous photographers that made their transport challenging."
"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex arrived at their destination and there were no reported collisions, summonses, injuries, or arrests in regard."
Quote from: TLLK on May 17, 2023, 03:01:09 PM
Considering that this took place in NYC, there should be plenty of CC TV footage to aid the NYPD in an investigation.
I have to admit that I am surprised that this continued for two hours and that their security team didn't order the driver(s) to take them to the nearest police station.
I?m interested in seeing CCTV as well. NYC isn?t really a place where car chases are easy to pull off, but I think the break down is, as usual, down to perception. When a lot of people hear ?near catastrophic car chase? they think near head on collisions or almost taking out pedestrians. This may be perceived differently by others, of course.
And thank you for the update Princess of Peace. I had wondered what NYPD would say if there had been something as described above occur in NYC.
But your earlier statement bears some consideration. This didn?t happen in England, it happened here in the US. They are allowed armed security here, unlike Britain and it didn?t stop whatever it was that happened last night. So, from here on, what does happen?
The police is able to ticket any driver that is driving recklessly, whether they have a camera or no. But beyond that, what else could they do? And it doesn?t sound like it reached that level.
I do wish I could see the CCTV though. This is not a joke. If they were being chased to the point where deaths almost occurred, something must be done; legal action taken against those involved for almost causing deaths. And if they?re exaggerating for the sake of spreading a narrative, that also needs to be addressed.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1658847488634150914
^ The video (as I said) from citizen Alberto Ramos, Twitter user
^Thank you as always, wannable. This is one snippet, but if that?s all there was, I?ll have to agree to disagree with them on near catastrophic chase. Not that I think it?s pleasant or polite, but every big celebrity experiences that here in the places like LA/NYC.
That?s one of the things that I worried about when they announced they were moving here and embarking on a career based in promotion. I wondered why they would want to subject themselves to that instead of living a quiet existence elsewhere.
Their choice, of course, but that?s par for the course here for celebrities. You go to a big event here like that in NYC, you?re going to be followed by paparazzi. But they dislike that, and I can commiserate. However, I?m not sure what next? Police escort? Just confused by the desire to embellish something that?s of the norm here.
You are very welcome, the freedom of Information act in the USA, a full NYPD CCTV footage will very likely be released. Some VIP twitter accounts have notified their followers that they've requested it already. I think it is very important to follow the laws in light of the NYC.GOV rules which were immediately posted under all the US media outlets that had received info from the Sussexes. It is IMO very clear to me that the Sussexes spokesperson did not do his/her homework in reviewing the ''state'' laws.
LA is different in reference to speed limit (that was also posted and the amount of CCTV ''areas''), they can't compare with NYC, more like Chicago.
^I hope so. Any claim that is made where lives are alleged to be in danger needs to be investigated. It sounds like NYPD did their job and there were no issues, but I would like to see for myself if the police?s perception of the event differs from reality; that?s not uncommon in the US either?
Yes, I'd like too also. It is also clear to me that the awards place is not Strata A location location, the hotel's front desk had a Hertz car hire, not ideal for royals or ex royals.
When one sees google map with terrain, layers 'street viewing' IOW full display enabling the 3D too, for example the location of the Metropolitan Museum of Art (The MET) is A++, the location of last night's gong, C- for any high profile public person.
^Yeah, I?m sure it?s not often visited by a royal prince lol
Smarter minds than me can likely figure it out, but I also wonder about the taxi. Not the best option if you?re trying to avoid having your picture taken. And Harry phone recording? Just a very strange situation.
Quote from: wannable on May 17, 2023, 05:10:25 PM
You are very welcome, the freedom of Information act in the USA, a full NYPD CCTV footage will very likely be released. Some VIP twitter accounts have notified their followers that they've requested it already. I think it is very important to follow the laws in light of the NYC.GOV rules which were immediately posted under all the US media outlets that had received info from the Sussexes. It is IMO very clear to me that the Sussexes spokesperson did not do his/her homework in reviewing the ''state'' laws.
LA is different in reference to speed limit (that was also posted and the amount of CCTV ''areas''), they can't compare with NYC, more like Chicago.
I especially agree with the bolded. NYC, Chicago, and even London are much older cities when compared to Los Angeles' roadways which were more or less made for the automobile.
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 17, 2023, 05:20:35 PM
^Yeah, I?m sure it?s not often visited by a royal prince lol
Smarter minds than me can likely figure it out, but I also wonder about the taxi. Not the best option if you?re trying to avoid having your picture taken.
Yes I am surprised that they'd switched from the SUVs to taxis? Whenever they've been in NYC in the past, I believe that they've only used the SUVs for their transportation.
^Maybe more info will come out as to why later on. From what I?m seeing, they were followed all the way home, which is unpleasant, but also not what was described. This is a time where I do hope I?m wrong because death isn?t something that should be used to garner publicity.
When I saw the headline, immediate flashback to Princess Diana and I thought ?oh no, who?s injured? What?s gone on??
Thank you TLLK and HistoryGirl2, in all honesty and as I said like what 6 months ago, the social media technology has changed the media world in such a way that the flying flash instant news is unbeatable. Media outlets won't die, long articles, long versions, sectioned to what is your interest, but it will be specific only. After saying this, it is not that I knew the NYC.GOV laws and regulations, I LEARNED it from twitter posters, checked to see if with link, link reliable, it checks out. No link, I review google, it checks out, it's a GO for me to make a comment in this forum, or of any other interests I have non royal related. I DO follow many people in Instagram, Twitter, Tik Tok. ETA: Youtube and Twitter is making moves already, a blue checkmark one can write long essays :lol: and post videos, they already have lives. One can join any live for free...
HistoryGirl2, some twitteraties are 'claiming' the Sussexes made their OWN decision to go to a NYPD police station with their OWN plans to 'switch' to a yellow cab rather than continue with their 2 Black SUV's. I think IMO that was a mistake, and a fit to create drama. Sorry, but this sounds very Sussex.
Also, some twitteraties have a ''sequence' of pap pictures, from leaving the Hertz hotel sad, sitting at their SUV the threesome sad, the NYPD switch, with one cop car following them, the pictures of them in the yellow cab. I am really curious to see the entire CCTV from arrival/departure, traffic, the one cop car, end destination despite the announcement of NYPD.
Dan Wootton
@danwootton
Harry and Meghan's New York taxi driver Sukhcharn Singh blows their car chase story apart: ''I don?t think I would call it a chase. I never felt like I was in danger. It wasn't like a car chase in a movie. They were quiet and seemed scared but it's New York ? it?s safe.''
Adam Creighton
@Adam_Creighton
"The taxi driver who transported the couple after attending an event on Tuesday told The Washington Post in an interview that he would not call the incident a chase, adding that he felt safe during the ride."
Caitlyn Jenner
@Caitlyn_Jenner
I have been party to paps following me in NY (definitely not 2 hrs and plenty of evidence - kind of the point since they have cameras), LA (even in a city with lots of driving and long distances between destinations, not 2 hours, and AGAIN LOTS OF EVIDENCE) it comes with the territory. Whine whine whine is all these 2 seem to do
Megyn Kelly
@megynkelly
I lived in Manhattan for 17 yrs & it is not possible to have a 2hr 'car chase' there. Too many street lights/stop signs, too much foot/car traffic & hundreds of places you could safely pull over to protect yourself.
NYC Mayor, Eric Adams calling the Sussexes statement from (the spokesperson) reckless and irresponsible.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1658867200856412162
^ Learned: Under his TV statement, any citizen from NYC can make a civil case against the Sussexes under the NY Penal Law 210.15 False Statement, Class A misdeameanor, 4 years jail, pay a fine, and 3 years probation to visit NYC. Second largest comments is to the Sussexes to retract the statement before any NYC citizen files an action.
So the public has the statements from NYPD, the Taxi Driver and the NYC Mayor.
Harry and Meghan involved in 'near catastrophic' car chase while in New York, spokesman claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12095151/Harry-Meghan-involved-near-catastrophic-car-chase-New-York-spokesman-claims.html)
'Stalker' is arrested lurking outside Harry and Meghan's Montecito mansion | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12093897/Stalker-arrested-lurking-outside-Harry-Meghans-Montecito-mansion.html)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Car Chase: N.Y.C. Mayor Speaks Out (https://people.com/crime/meghan-markle-prince-harry-car-chase-new-york-mayor-slams-paparazzi/)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry NYC Car Chase: NYPD Statement (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-car-chase-nypd-statement/)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's Car Chase: Everything to Know (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-car-chase-new-york-city-everything-to-know/)
Meghan Markle, Prince Harry Car Chase: Buckingham Palace Has No Comment (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-car-chase-buckingham-palace-no-comment/)
Private matters and its business matters
Meghan Markle, Prince Harry Involved in Paparazzi Car Chase in NYC (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-involved-car-chase-paparazzi-new-york-city/)
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle involved in 'near catastrophic car chase' in New York | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/493187/prince-harry-meghan-mark-car-chase-new-york/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65625886
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-65627031
Prince Harry and Meghan 'paparazzi car chase' was not 'near catastrophic', NYPD officials suggest | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-and-meghan-involved-in-near-catastrophic-car-chase-12882989)
What Prince Harry has previously said about the paparazzi | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/what-prince-harry-has-previously-said-about-the-paparazzi-12883004)
It's impossible not to be reminded of Diana after 'dangerous' pursuit of Harry and Meghan | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/its-impossible-not-to-be-reminded-of-diana-after-dangerous-pursuit-of-harry-and-meghan-12883098)
Prince Harry and Meghan in near catastrophic car chase with paparazzi, spokesperson says | Prince Harry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/17/prince-harry-and-meghan-in-near-catastrophic-car-chase-with-paparazzi)
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle involved in 'near catastrophic' car chase | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1771444/prince-harry-meghan-markle-car-chase-dxus)
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-05-17/harry-and-meghan-involved-in-near-catastrophic-car-chase
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-17/prince-harry-diana-grief-meghan-markle-an-african-journey-itv-tom-bradby
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle say they were in 'near catastrophic car chase' in New York - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-prince-harry-meghan-markle-29992604)
Police statement after Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's 'near catastrophic car chase' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-police-statement-after-meghan-30005603)
'Stalker' caught outside Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's California mansion in early hours - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/stalker-caught-lurking-outside-prince-30001988)
Prince Harry & Meghan Markle involved in 'car chase' after awards ceremony in New York, spokesman says | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22390980/prince-harry-meghan-markle-car-chase-new-york/)
?Stalker?, 29, arrested lurking outside Prince Harry and Meghan Markle?s ?12m California mansion in middle of the night | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22387793/sussex-stalker-harry-meghan-arrested-california/)
The way the British media are covering this is absolutely disgusting.
One, by putting words in the Sussex?s mouth. They never said they were in a high speed chase, they said it was rentless and harmful two hour chase.
Just so much of it was disgraceful and nasty.
And I don?t and didn?t expect the family to say anything but if they can?t say anything now, I don?t want ?darling family? ?Olive branches? ?dear missed family? ?sad grandpa? PR later on.
The official statement from the Sussexes, posted by Omid Scobie
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwVi7ZhWIAMm2oh?format=jpg&name=small)
Vs. The NYPD, Taxi Driver and the NYC Mayor
Quote from: wannable on May 17, 2023, 06:16:49 PM
NYC Mayor, Eric Adams calling the Sussexes statement from (the spokesperson) reckless and irresponsible.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1658867200856412162
Interesting as Mayor Adam's is a former NYPD officer.
Quote from: wannable on May 17, 2023, 05:57:44 PM
Dan Wootton
@danwootton
Harry and Meghan's New York taxi driver Sukhcharn Singh blows their car chase story apart: ''I don?t think I would call it a chase. I never felt like I was in danger. It wasn't like a car chase in a movie. They were quiet and seemed scared but it's New York ? it?s safe.''
Adam Creighton
@Adam_Creighton
"The taxi driver who transported the couple after attending an event on Tuesday told The Washington Post in an interview that he would not call the incident a chase, adding that he felt safe during the ride."
I would imagine a NYC cabbie would have had his fair share of scrapes that would put this in perspective lol I feel second hand embarrassment for them and their constant need for attention. I should have known better than to worry for their safety. Making mountains out of molehills and having their recollections vary from anyone else involved in any situation is just a way of life, I suppose. And the constant need to cosplay Diana from both of them is both bizarre and concerning.
Quote from: TLLK on May 17, 2023, 07:41:27 PM
Interesting as Mayor Adam's is a former NYPD officer.
He knows that Yellow Cab's in NYC have tracking device, it is a ''federal law'' for this city. The cab driver did a full disclosure exclusive to Piers Morgan basically stating that the 'yellow cab head office' has the tracking, the threesome were picked up at a NYPD precinct at the Sussexes request and final destination, which Piers will disclose tonight.
What I mean to say is in conjunction with what the mayor stated the Diana bit, the reckless and irresponsibility of the Sussexes can be translated to that in order for them to get a cop car, the sussexes had to file a cop car request. The yellow cabs have picked up at NYPD precinct usually for people who HAVE filed a whatever happening rob, assault, crash, death, injury, etc. Since NYC is huge, the state law had to do the NY Law of False Statements with the easing of retracting it to avoid getting in trouble. If not, too many cases, too many admin expenses, too many investigations, etc. Uber tracking exists too worldwide including NYC and that particular city, if required by blue uniform, Uber has to give the tracking of the road trip. All this from social media with links to yellow cab, federal law and Uber NYC. It's easier to get away with it at smaller cities, towns. Like what some celebs are tweeting LA to the Highway...yikes.
Many drivers are including video/voice at the mirrorr (started with the inside mirror, now you can install outside mirror, roof cctv with birds eye view), it has saved countless of stuff happening inside and outside a car...fact. New cars already come with this system, especially electrical. NYC yellow cabs, the new ones have this system.
^I find all of it so distasteful. To feel the need to constantly paint this picture of you close to death is disgusting, in my opinion. I had hoped that they would stop these absurdities after the coronation, but I see once again, they show their true colors. There?s people that actually die in car accidents, to turn it into a PR stunt is sickening. Horrid, shameless people. Who I feel most sorry for is William. Their pathetic attempt to pretend they?re Diana in a car chase has to remind him of that horrible, horrible day.
I, for one, am done reading or posting about them once and for all. Nothing intriguing about them and I think it?s safe to say their stunts have only served to make the RF look better by comparison. Their latest actions are vile and speak to who they truly are. I think I?ll stick with the Princess Annes of the world who can find a way to not dramatize a literal kidnap attempt or the King Charleses who can continue on after having someone actually try to assassinate him.
^True.
A last bit, NYC off duty cops can be hired at the 'precinct. They have to uphold to the law like if they were on duty, they are subject to investigation with false statements too. They did their statement to the NYPD, NYPD did their statement. It's hard to be a corrupt cop within NYC because of big brother TV. There is a clue here why they went to a NYPD precinct, hired two off duties, but the sting didn't come out as they wanted. There are a lot of speculations about why did they get a yellow cab to pick them up at a precinct. One floating is the two off duty cops did not want to be collateral damage, thrown under the bus, be part of a sting, so this would be 3 people as witnesses: 2 cops 1 driver. What I do know is that Sussex statement with NYC is too hard to swallow. The city of lights, bumper to bumper 24/7/365 is the hardest part.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwW4LuzWwAEJ1KV?format=jpg&name=small)
The Yellow Cab driver told Piers Morgan the same as his mandatory tracking device: picked up the Sussexes at Precinct 19 drove around and returned them to/drop off Precinct 19.
BBC report from about half an hour ago about what really happened in NYC..
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65625886
The NYPD confirmed an incident took place involving Harry and Meghan and said numerous photographers "made their transport challenging".
No injuries or arrests were reported, the police said. Buckingham Palace has not yet commented.
There are claims the chase involved half a dozen cars, with reckless driving including going through red lights, driving on the pavement, carrying out blocking moves, and reversing down a one-way street - as well as taking photographs while driving.
BBC News understands Harry and Meghan were staying at a friend's home, and did not return directly to avoid compromising their security.
The couple and Meghan's mother, Doria Ragland, tried to take shelter from the paparazzi by going to a Manhattan police station.
There was then a plan to use a New York taxi, with a yellow cab flagged down and Harry, Meghan, Ms Ragland and a security officer getting inside.
Not one single ticket was issued. I understand H&M love dramatics but this seems to be another case of 'recollections may vary'
Piers Morgan of all people interviewed the cab driver.
Piers Morgan Interviews Taxi Driver Of Harry and Meghan On Night Of 'Car Chase' - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XYUTY4fTrk8)
Piers Morgan's interview with the taxi driver. Very much confirms what the Sussex spokesperson said:
- Harry & Meghan were both scared and very nervous.
- Paparazzi acted more aggressive than with other celebs and what happens normally. He mentioned he has driven other celebs around, and ?it was never this bad?.
- They were chased for ages before they got into the cab.
Here we go... Surprise, surprise. Harry brings his mother into the situation:
Prince Harry says car chase with Meghan Markle 'closest he ever felt to Diana's death' (https://www.gbnews.com/royal/prince-harry-meghan-markle-car-chase-princess-diana-latest-update)
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on May 17, 2023, 10:40:00 PM
Here we go... Surprise, surprise. Harry brings his mother into the situation:
Prince Harry says car chase with Meghan Markle 'closest he ever felt to Diana's death' (https://www.gbnews.com/royal/prince-harry-meghan-markle-car-chase-princess-diana-latest-update)
Erm, this is what the article above says.
Prince Harry says being chased by paparazzi for "more than two hours" was the "closest I have ever felt" to understanding what happened on the night Diana died, a source close to the couple claims.
So, not Harry making a statement about Diana at all, but, according to this article it?s what ?a source close to the couple? (unnamed of course) is supposed to have claimed. According to GB News of course!
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on May 17, 2023, 10:25:16 PM
Not one single ticket was issued. I understand H&M love dramatics but this seems to be another case of 'recollections may vary'
The tragedy is they will need RPOs (real ones) to protect the duo from themselves.
Watch Charles and William react in 321?family is family. They are a danger to themselves. They will create drama always. Nonstop. Greek tragedy. Shakespearean traged. They will avoid it.
Well, the NY Mayor has brought Diana?s name into it, not Harry.
From CNN
Prince Harry and Meghan allege 'near catastrophic paparazzi car chase in NY | CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/17/americas/harry-meghan-car-crash-intl/index.html)
Mayor condemns ?reckless? paparazzi
The mayor of New York City, Eric Adams said the incident was ?reckless? and ?irresponsible.?
?You shouldn?t be speeding anywhere, but this is a densely populated city, and I think all of us, I don?t think there?s many of us who don?t recall how his mom died,? Adams told reporters when asked about the incident at an unrelated briefing.
?It?s clear that the paparazzi want to get the right shot, they want to get the right story, but public safety must always be at the forefront,? Adams said.
We don?t need cnn. The mayor spoke directly with no edits.
CNN highly edited. In social media unedited, cnn and other friendlies edited.
Two New York Police Department detectives were present at the Ziegfeld when Harry and Meghan emerged from the event and drove alongside the couple's private vehicle to get them home.
Along the way, police sources said photographers on bicycles are visible on security cameras but not the kind of caravan described by sources close to Harry and Meghan.
The police interaction with the couple lasted no more than 20 minutes, according to police sources. If the episode lasted the two hours Meghan and Harry say it did, it was due to their own security wanting to avoid revealing where they were staying, not because they were being chased, the sources said.
The NYPD said in a statement: "On Wednesday evening, May 16, the NYPD assisted the private security team protecting the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. There were numerous photographers that made their transport challenging. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex arrived at their destination and there were no reported collisions, summonses, injuries, or arrests in regard."
As I said they are a danger to themselves. Their private security are employees to them. RPOs are not, hence my comment. An RPOs will book the truth. In the UK it is secret only a court can disclose like with Andrew. Stateside freedom of information act. No court needed.
The thing is it wasn't a high speed chase through New York. They were followed and no doubt Harry was 'triggered'. But no one was in danger. No arrests were made.
Harry needs help.
Quote from: wannable on May 17, 2023, 10:58:20 PM
We don?t need cnn. The mayor spoke directly with no edits.
CNN highly edited. In social media unedited, cnn and other friendlies edited.
No, accredited news services have to adhere to a code of conduct. Social media doesn?t. Anybody can say anything on social media. That?s why SM is always accusing well known and accredited news sources of bias and ?editing.?
Quote from: Ayse on May 17, 2023, 11:09:13 PM
Harry needs help.
I?d say the paps need help far more than Harry or Meghan.
It wasn?t an actor it was the mayor with no cuts or edits, same with the taxi driver. Same with NYPD.
I know some do not like social media but the posts posted are real. Not fake.
iPhone sorry for the symbols and autocorrect
Quote from: Curryong on May 17, 2023, 11:13:27 PM
I?d say the paps need help far more than Harry or Meghan.
No, i think they?re fine.I?m sure After Harry?s brillant statement last nights pictures are worth the double. So i?m sure they?re grateful for that.
The problem with Harry that he?s not as smart as he think he is. He thought big evil Palace held him down all these years but they were actually protecting him. FROM HİMSELF. So i will repeat again. He needs help. I hope he can get it.
Exactly filming himself in his alleged near whatever experience sure with no seatbelt.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on May 17, 2023, 11:05:58 PM
The thing is it wasn't a high speed chase through New York. They were followed and no doubt Harry was 'triggered'. But no one was in danger. No arrests were made.
No doubt it was upsetting to the couple, however it appears that it was not a "chaotic" high speed chase over two hours.
I still don't understand why they left the SUVs to go in taxis?
Quote from: wannable on May 17, 2023, 11:24:21 PM
Exactly filming himself in his alleged near whatever experience sure with no seatbelt.
No seatbelt??? After what happened to Diana, I can't understand why he wasn't wearing one.
NBC has the Mayor actually speaking and saying exactly what I posted that he said.
Meghan and Harry Were In 2-Hour Car Chase With NYC Paparazzi, Spokesperson Says ? NBC New York (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/harry-meghan-were-in-near-catastrophic-car-chase-with-nyc-paparazzi-spokesperson/4342299/)
And incidentally nowhere did the Sussex spokesperson speak of a ?high speed car chase?.
He is an ex policeman
He said the Sussexes statement is reckless and irresponsible
I do not care if the media took 12 hours to write an article
I posted the mayor speaking 1 minute after he went live
Harry is crazy.
He has issues.
He is a spolied, man- child.
Self- centered.
Megan was perfect for him. His equal.
As for the phony 2 hour NYC almost catastrophic car chase, with them in. 3 suv caravan going up to 80 mph, at night, lol?..story has so many holes. Recollections May vary, lol. Their story is being poked full of lies by many.
Henry wants RoyalProtectionOfficers, his private security team having access to Intell, and American US Secret Service. He will do anything to get it.
He is still not going to get any of that, but he is trying his best to get it.
Well, a laugh a minute with these 2, I think they will do anything to keep themselves in the news and expect maybe someone across the pond to feel sorry for them....just more lies coming out of Harry's mouth as to be expected. Car chase in NYC....LOL!
Some great detective work here and actual facts reporting, great work ladies!
Neither Harry nor Meghan have said anything. Not a thing. And, as the cab driver stated, they appeared quiet and quite anxious when they were in his vehicle.
Just what I expected.......was waiting for it....lol!
I am curious to what next for the Sussexes?
The fact that the top chiefs; Mayor and NYPD Deputy Commissioner Police, both black and the Taxi driver of Indian origin did their duty to shut them down quickly in succession. According to Neil Sean, who appeared last night in Fox news, allegedly the NYPD is requesting Harry to voluntarily give his footage (smartphone) so the NYPD can analyze it. This is a tactic, IF Harry sticks to his version, the footage he has will confirm, IF Harry exaggerated, his statement is false. The NYPD is top 3 worldwide too!
I insist they could have got away with it in a small city, town. Pull the heartstrings, make a lawsuit against the small city, town public officials, get them unemployed, thrown under the bus, collateral damage, have the small city folk dislike them, but NYC, boy oh boy, the barrage of comments from New Yorkers in social media is like let's get out of here now.
Neil Sean's above allegedly is also being discussed in social media under New Yorker twitter accounts, the barrage of followers from that city are comparing Harry and Meghan's statement to Jussie Smollet (I had to investigate, didn't know who he was), this person was found out by Chicago Police to have faked a forbidden word RIF crime and made false police reports.
IMO I can see the 'statement' similarities of both Smollet and the Sussexes.
The charitable part of me would like to think that Harry noticed the paps following them, and with his paranoia about the press and his fixation on his mother's death, went into panic mode and perhaps got the others upset as well. The more cynical side of me thinks it's interesting timing to make a scene about security and proclaim that they are in danger. Which does not seem to be the case here. From what I have read, it sounds like if anyone was driving recklessly, it was the Sussexes' own driver, and were they really not wearing seatbelts? That is mind-boggling.
I just have to say, that even if the paps were out of line--and maybe they were--but to engage in a 'near-catastrophic car chase' to avoid having pictures taken is irresponsible in the extreme. Harry and Meghan are parents of two small children who need them to come home. There were innocent bystanders in cars and on sidewalks. It seems incredible that H and M would risk their own and others' lives to avoid having the paps snapping pictures of them. For the record, I don't believe H and M's version of the story. It seems like if things really were 'near-catastrophic' that the police would have made some arrests or at least given some tickets! But I'm just going by the Sussexes' statement to say that if it was a dangerous situation, they and their security made some very irresponsible choices.
I have to agree that it sounds like another case of the Sussexes' truth not matching up with facts. We will see though, I'm sure there is video footage and it may well be coming out over the next few days.
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Will Hand Paparazzi Chase Footage to NYPD (https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-meghan-markle-hand-paparazzi-chase-footage-nypd-1801078)
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Quote from: TLLK on May 18, 2023, 12:10:54 PM
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Will Hand Paparazzi Chase Footage to NYPD (https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-meghan-markle-hand-paparazzi-chase-footage-nypd-1801078)
Neil Sean got this right!
What I find ironic is that while the Sussexes have previously complained about the paparazzi following them in the UK, the U.S. as a nation does not have the same stringent laws protecting individuals from harassment by paparazzi in vehicles So if avoiding another episode like they experienced the other night is a goal, than it would be safer for the family to be in the UK now than the U.S.
Prince Harry Is Fighting U.S. Paparazzi Battles Royals Already Won in U.K. (https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-fighting-us-paparazzi-battles-royal-family-won-britain-1801123)
QuoteRoyston explained that since the 1990s, the royals in Britain are safeguarded against similar chases as the U.K. press has stricter regulation when it comes to privacy, paparazzi and the publication of images acquired through unethical means.
"We do not tolerate this kind of conduct by paparazzi in Britain," he said. "Paparazzi are not allowed to follow celebrities here, even if it's entirely safe and nothing dangerous happens. You're not even under IPSO [Independent Press Standards Organization] press regulations, you're not allowed to persist in photographing somebody who has asked you to stop."
He continued: "What's actually happening here is that Harry in America is trying to refight battles that the British royal family won in Britain decades ago. But he's having to kind of reinvent the wheel and do it all again in America because there's a very different paparazzi culture there."
Yes, I don't think the US is safer than the UK at all. I think the decision to move to the US was based on three things:
A) Many A-list celebrities live in the ritzy parts of California or NYC, and that's the crowd they want to be a part of.
B) They thought it would be easier to make their fortune in the US.
C) Meghan grew up in California and wanted to go home.
I really can't think that safety was a huge factor.
The UK wouldn't be safer.
That just the media that hell-bent on harming (like posting their location right after it was announced their security had been stripped, a la the daily mail)
It also doesn't help if family is willing to be silent in the face of the abuse. At least in the US, they have a support network of people will speak out and say "this isn't okay, we don't condone this and they have our support."
Also, I wonder if the Royston forgot that they couldn't stay in their home in the UK in Cotswald because.....UK Pap's flew a helicopter over their home and took photos of the living area and dining area of the home and directly into the bedroom. So no, if people want to take photos of them, agreement be dammed, photos will be taken.
UK also isn't safe because reporters on tv, radio and in print are allowed to spread disinformation. Case in point, they've out-right lied and said the Sussex's claimed it was high-speed chase. The Sussex's never said that.
And a country in which people are allowed to say on tv with no push back or anything, "as long as their is breath in her body." "throw them over the balcony." "dangle archie over a balcony." and makes it even more not safe....as in....allowing violence to be incited against them. You had one UK reporter reading their statement in a silly voice.
So, a country that makes light and jokes about and deflects about the danger they're in, isn't the safer option. The NYPD made a formal statement that seemed toned down because it's their job to keep things calm but they didn't deflect as UK media has been doing.
They won't be safe in the UK, until the UK actually does something on how they're talked about, reported about and when tabloids aren't given the power and access to the royal family that they're allowed now. That will never happen so it'll never be the safer option. These are people who won't be pleased until the worse happens.
It's as when the UK Media called for Meghan to prove that she felt suicidal, knowing there was only one way that could happen.
Their team needs to re-group, because they didn't expect to be followed for so long. We most likely won't see the three of them travel together for a while and they need to make sure that guardianship of the kids are covered. That's why I expect that we won't see Doria with them a lot as I'm assuming if something happened to them, she'd get custody and we know of one god-parent for certain who would have the means to take care of them and protect them.
Quote from: Kristeh-H on May 18, 2023, 12:58:24 PM
Yes, I don't think the US is safer than the UK at all. I think the decision to move to the US was based on three things:
A) Many A-list celebrities live in the ritzy parts of California or NYC, and that's the crowd they want to be a part of.
B) They thought it would be easier to make their fortune in the US.
C) Meghan grew up in California and wanted to go home.
I really can't think that safety was a huge factor.
A - Yes, they do and normally don't get this type of coverage it makes sense that they'd want to be a in a place were they treated like other people
B - No, they understood that family and friends in the US don't have agreements and with tabloids and can't give their movements away
C - Yes, Meghan wanted to be with a support network that wouldn't shrug her their shoulders at mental health or run and tell Valentine Low about it while twisting their thumbs and saying they couldn't help her.
E - So safety was a main factor as well as mental health.
Case in point to this reply and my earlier reply, one of the most vile and inhuman things said about Meghan came from Camilla's close friend and there was silence but Camilla did find the time to give a wink and nudge to support authors not losing their voices and having the right to write.
Mentally safety is just as important and Dan Wotton said himself, since the Sussex's left, it's been harder to get information on them. The Mirror, in court said that they got stories about Harry from his father's staff.
So, unless the family is willing to stop playing the games with the tabs, the Sussex's will never be safer in the UK.
Jack Royston 100% Correct!
The United Kingdom is safer and Harry won his Cotswold Lawsuit!
Google tells me there are 7 pages of the Cotswold Harry win over illegal pap shots.
Sample of the first page in google search:
Prince Harry Wins Lawsuit Against Paparazzi Agency ...
Insider
Insider (https://www.insider.com) ? Lifestyle ? News
May 16, 2019 ? The Duke of Sussex won a lawsuit against Splash News on Thursday after its photographers released intimate photos of his home to the press.
Prince Harry & Meghan Win Privacy Invasion Lawsuit for ...
observer.com
News, data and insight about the powerful forces that shape the world. | Observer (https://observer.com) ? 2019/05 ? prince-harry-megha...
May 16, 2019 ? Prince Harry and Meghan Markle won a lawsuit against Splash News for invasion of privacy after the photo agency took aerial photos of their ...
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Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos (https://www.foxnews.com) ? entertainment ? prince-ha...
May 16, 2019 ? The spare heir and the Duchess of Sussex sued Splash News and Photo Agency for taking invasive photographs of the Oxfordshire property and ...
Prince Harry accepts damages over Splash News Agency ...
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May 16, 2019 ? The Duke of Sussex has accepted damages and an apology from a news agency which used a helicopter to take photographs of his home in the ...
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The Guardian
News, sport and opinion from the Guardian's US edition | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com) ? uk-news ? may ? prin...
May 16, 2019 ? Prince Harry has accepted substantial damages and an apology from a news agency that took aerial photographs of his Cotswolds home, ...
Paparazzi agency will not target Meghan in future, high ...
News, sport and opinion from the Guardian's US edition | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com) ? uk-news ? dec ? papar...
Dec 18, 2020 ? ... in relation to a privacy and data protection claim by Meghan and her son with Prince Harry against Splash News and Picture Agency.
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Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos (https://www.yahoo.com) ? now ? paparazzi-agency-file...
Mar 24, 2021 ? Splash News has filed for bankruptcy after losing a legal battle to Meghan Markle. Markle and Prince Harry have taken legal action against ...
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Punch Newspapers
Punch Newspapers - Breaking News, Nigerian News, Entertainment, Sport, Business and Politics (https://punchng.com) ? uks-prince-harry-wins-damages...
May 16, 2019 ? The Duke of Sussex sued Splash News over the January incident, arguing it had breached his privacy and data rights under British law and the ...
As Jack says, Harry is fighting a pap battle in the USA. He want's the law to be changed.
Don?t forget he?s also not happy about First Amendment :laugh10: He?s going to teach those Americans all the things they don?t know about their own constitution :laugh10:
Prince Harry paid damages over photos of his Oxfordshire :wink:
I forgot, Harry was also followed from Diana's memorial and recorded that, so no, being in the UK doesn't keep them safe. It simply gives access to those who want to harm them the most.
Harry the Hermit want's to be famous, sells his family down the river, but want's nobody to take a picture of him. A bit of a 15 second, standing still, smile, wave, a twirl, get into your car. Adios!
IF he was so pressed about July 1 2021 visit to the UK, give the footage to the Met Police/Scotland Yard and SUE again. Followed by a scooter 15 meters off (footage available in Social Media, footage of the scooter person with a colorful language clearly leaving H alone after 1 block also available in Social Media), who then left him alone next block. He (and Meghan) create a drama over every single thing taking the shine away from i.e. the Diana Memorial and his previous day visit to Well Child because of one scooter.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 18, 2023, 02:35:42 PM
I forgot, Harry was also followed from Diana's memorial and recorded that, so no, being in the UK doesn't keep them safe. It simply gives access to those who want to harm them the most.
sorry how was he injured? How was he unsafe?
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry: Taxi driver and paparazzi break silence on 'near catastrophic car chase' | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/493228/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-car-chase-taxi-driver-photo-agency-break-silence/)
Prince Harry and Meghan have 'not been conctacted' by King or William after car chase | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1771698/prince-harry-king-charles-prince-william-car-chase-dxus)
King Charles and Prince William will not comment about Prince Harry?s accident it?s private matter and it?s private business but Buckingham Palace will not comment about that but no statement from Buckingham Palace
Harry and Meghan's security breaks silence on 'very chaotic' car chase | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1771675/prince-harry-meghan-markle-security-car-chase-new-york-dxus)
Prince Harry will hand footage of 'near catastrophic' car chase to police | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1771832/prince-harry-car-chase-footage-film-police-dxus)
What Harry and Meghan's taxi driver, security and police said about car chase | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1771748/prince-harry-meghan-markle-car-chase-new-york-dxus)
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-05-18/photographer-involved-in-harry-and-meghan-car-chase-blames-their-driver
I was Prince Harry and Meghan Markle?s driver ? chase claims are ?exaggerated? and there was 'no reason to be afraid' | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22398649/harry-meghan-driver-chase-claims-exaggerated/)
I?m Princess Diana?s former bodyguard ? Prince Harry?s security was not ?properly stage managed? before car ?chase? | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22401088/princess-dianas-former-bodyguard-harrys-security-not-managed/)
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 18, 2023, 02:35:42 PM
I forgot, Harry was also followed from Diana's memorial and recorded that, so no, being in the UK doesn't keep them safe. It simply gives access to those who want to harm them the most.
I respectfully disagree as the UK as a nation does have laws in place in order to protect its citizens from harassment unlike the U.S. Various states might have limitations but nothing nationwide.
QuoteSome of the pictures taken by these paparazzi were very briefly published by the Daily Mail and the Express in Britain," Royston noted. "But as soon as they realized the circumstances around them, they were pulled down. TMZ are still running that footage and still running those images, and my understanding is that the Sussexes viewed that as completely inexcusable."
Discussing the lasting concerns that will have arisen for Harry and Meghan as a result of their experience in NYC, Royston noted that it will be the publication of the images taken through such dangerous measures.
"I think what's going to cause the really prolonged upset is that he hasn't succeeded in forcing TMZ, a U.S. tabloid, to take these images down and there has actually been a whole spate of paparazzi photographs of Harry and Meghan in the last few months, including published on Page Six, TMZ, U.S. tabloid websites. So...you know, they've left Britain because they wanted a better relationship with the media and they have wound up in a version of Princess Diana's experience in the 1990s."
Photos allegedly taken from Prince Harry's exit from the statue unveiling were never published
QuoteThough the U.K. press does have regulations in place to prevent dangerous media practices, Harry has raised concerns in the past about his treatment by photographers on British soil.
In court documents made public in 2022 during the prince's lawsuit over the government decision to remove his state funded bodyguards, it was claimed that the royal was chased by photographers after a charity event in July 2021. Photographs from the alleged incident were never published.
@changemhysoul -Would please elaborate as to whom you believe "would want to hurt them the most" is?
The BBC put together a timeframe of the incident.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65624824
The Sussexes are asking for Backgrid's photos and videos. The agency is declining their request.
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Demand Photo Agency Give Them Footage of 'Chase' (https://www.tmz.com/2023/05/18/prince-harry-meghan-markle-demand-photo-agency-give-them-footage-of-chase/?adid=social-tw)
Quote
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are trying to put the squeeze on a photo agency that claimed their freelance paparazzi who followed the couple Tuesday night were not, as M&H claimed, "highly aggressive" and didn't cause a near-collision.
Harry and Meghan's legal team fired off a letter to the Backgrid photo agency, claiming in part they need the agency's footage of the "chase" to shore up their own security, adding ... "We hereby demand that Backgrid immediately provide us with copies of all photos, videos, and/or films taken last night by the freelance photographers after the couple left their event and over the next several hours."
Backgrid's lawyer has rejected the Sussex's demand, saying in a letter ... "In America, as I'm sure you know, property belongs to the owner of it: Third parties cannot just demand it be given to them, as perhaps Kings can do. Perhaps you should sit down with your client and advise them that his English rules of royal prerogative to demand that the citizenry hand over their property to the Crown were rejected by this country long ago. We stand by our founding fathers."
Backgrid says they had 4 photogs, 3 in cars and one on a bike, adding they "had no intention of causing any distress or harm, as their only tool was their cameras."
There's no legal basis for Backgrid to turn over its footage -- no lawsuit has been filed that would require the agency to turn over documents. Nevertheless, the demand was made.
As we reported, Harry and Meghan's team called their encounter with paps "near catastrophic," but NYPD sources say that's way overblown.
Quote from: wannable on May 18, 2023, 01:28:49 PM
As Jack says, Harry is fighting a pap battle in the USA. He want's the law to be changed.
He is crazy.
Quote from: Ayse on May 18, 2023, 01:36:22 PM
Don?t forget he?s also not happy about First Amendment :laugh10: He?s going to teach those Americans all the things they don?t know about their own constitution :laugh10:
He is bonkers.
He is a celebrity, entertainer
famous person in The USA
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Demand Photo Agency Give Them Footage of 'Chase' (https://www.tmz.com/2023/05/18/prince-harry-meghan-markle-demand-photo-agency-give-them-footage-of-chase/)
Here ya? go. Pictures of them in a NYC cab, lol. Harry looking very scared.
Seriously, this is a very troubled person.
I am not making fun of him.
His face says it all.
Using his phone light to fire back a photogs.
Meggie, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.
Soooooo, they went from a multi- caravan of blackened windows SUVs with their private security team , lol.
Make this all make sense if you can, you cannot make this make sense.
You know, this cab ride, police station visit all gave them maximum pr.
Had the just stayed in their SUV caravan, they would not have had this.
Read between the lines.
Quote from: Ayse on May 18, 2023, 01:36:22 PM
Don?t forget he?s also not happy about First Amendment :laugh10: He?s going to teach those Americans all the things they don?t know about their own constitution :laugh10:
YEP....... :lol: :lol: :eyes:
Apparently, what Harry said was that it was Bonkers how people got round the First Amendment.. not that it was bonkers
'Cars in New York are not really my priority or my responsibility.
'What is my priority and responsibility is people's safety at home.'
Rishi Sunak says Harry and Meghan car chase row 'not really my priority' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12101873/Rishi-Sunak-says-Harry-Meghan-car-chase-row-not-really-priority.html)
^^^IMHO this is an appropriate response from PM Sunak. The Sussexes are private citizens and residents of the United States. They're not the concern of the British Prime Minister.
CNN has a pretty good thing Prince Harry and Meghan's New York car chase -- what really happened? | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/world/harry-meghan-new-york-car-chase-intl-cmd-scli/index.html)
and here are some videos of the law person they have talking about it https://twitter.com/royal_suitor/status/1659499237292535808?s=20
The Sussex's statement is allowed to be emotional even though it's not been overexaggerated.
Something could be a near catastrophic. Case in point. Sophies motorcade was going through controlled traffic, no one was chasing her and yet one of the police office still hit a woman. She was being chased around.
The point is, they were being followed for two hours, it was an overkill of pursuit and not only that, they put the lives of two NYPD cops and the lives of the general public in danger. I don't care if Meghan was smiling in photos. She's already been shown her tears are a lie, that they're not worthy of belief, people dismiss her mental health.....until she does something dangerous and then it'll be fake tears of how sorry people were and we need to be kind. She has a practiced smile under duress. People smile when they're uncomfortable, it happens.
This worrying and alarming because it should boil down too, The Sussex's release their statement and we the public and the media condemn the behavior. Everything they said in the statement is true and has been backed up.
This entire thing is giving, we wanted something to actually feed on, say a body or pictures of a crash. We didn't get that so their lives as human beings don't matter. And it's infuriating because if something HAD happened to them, everyone would be "have we learned nothing of the past" "this horrible" and etc.
What happened is wrong and I'm glad the Sussex's stepped up to speak because now the people who took those photos, can't sell because we know how they've been gotten.
Unless your daily mail and you do love to continue to push hate on the Sussex's and you encourage this kind of behavior by buying pap photos, publishing them and then removing the photos when a statement comes out.
God Bless the Sussex's and i hope people remember they're human beings with kids waiting for them at home before they victim blame and show that they don't value human lives unless they're gone.
From the Guardian
Did Harry and Meghan exaggerate their ?catastrophic? chase? It?s complicated | Arwa Mahdawi | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/19/did-harry-and-meghan-exaggerate-their-catastrophic-chase-its-complicated)
The cab driver?.
. ?I don?t think I would call it a chase,? Singh said. ?I never felt like I was in danger. It wasn?t like a car chase in a movie.? Still, added Singh, he could understand why his famous passengers were terrified. ?You know, my feelings were normal, but I?m sure their feelings were more intense because of what his mom, Princess Diana, died in a crash running away from the paparazzi,? he said. ?So I think their emotions must have been higher.?
And that?s really the crux of it, isn?t it? We all react to high-pressure situations in different ways, based on our personal histories. It is perfectly natural that Prince Harry would be traumatized by being aggressively pursued by the paparazzi. Nobody has any right to dismiss or diminish his response to what must have been a very triggering situation. You don?t have to particularly like Harry and Meghan to be disturbed by the constant vitriol directed against them, particularly from the British media. And you don?t have to be a Harry and Meghan cheerleader to feel disturbed at how they were treated by the royal family. Who, by the way, have kept conspicuously quiet on the car chase.?
Royal Friends Mock Harry and Meghan as NYC Car Chase Story Unravels
?HYSTERICAL?
Friends of the British royal family have mocked Harry and Meghan?s account of a ?near catastrophic? car chase. One friend of Prince William?s quipped, ?Recollections may vary.?
Royal Friends Mock Prince Harry and Meghan Markle as NYC Chase Story Unravels (https://www.thedailybeast.com/royal-friends-mock-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-as-nyc-chase-story-unravels?ref=author)
Sorry, Harry and Meghan ? the lies don?t fly in NYC
Two unwelcome imports arrived in New York this week.
You may have heard about Harry and Meghan?s big night in the city.
Accounts of their time here differ.
According to the couple themselves they suffered the ordeal of a two-hour, ?near-catastrophic? car-chase with paparazzi tailing them all the way.
According to other sources (including the NYPD and the driver of the taxi the couple changed into to look humbler) the truth was rather different.
The fact is we didn?t need the authorities to tell us that.
Every New Yorker knows that any kind of car-chase ? let alone a two-hour one ? is literally impossible in this city.
Prince Harry, Meghan Markle: the lies don't fly in NYC (https://nypost.com/2023/05/18/sorry-harry-and-meghan-the-lies-dont-fly-in-nyc/?utm_source=reddit.com)
The press in America has 95% turned against them.
What We Know About Harry and Meghan?s Car Chase: Updates (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/harry-and-meghans-car-chase-everything-we-know.html)
this is also a good break-down, with witness from the public, their security detail and with out the spin of people putting words in the sussex's mouth.
Quote from: wannable on May 19, 2023, 12:42:46 PM
Royal Friends Mock Harry and Meghan as NYC Car Chase Story Unravels
?HYSTERICAL?
Friends of the British royal family have mocked Harry and Meghan?s account of a ?near catastrophic? car chase. One friend of Prince William?s quipped, ?Recollections may vary.?
Royal Friends Mock Prince Harry and Meghan Markle as NYC Chase Story Unravels (https://www.thedailybeast.com/royal-friends-mock-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-as-nyc-chase-story-unravels?ref=author)
Sorry, Harry and Meghan ? the lies don?t fly in NYC
Two unwelcome imports arrived in New York this week.
You may have heard about Harry and Meghan?s big night in the city.
Accounts of their time here differ.
According to the couple themselves they suffered the ordeal of a two-hour, ?near-catastrophic? car-chase with paparazzi tailing them all the way.
According to other sources (including the NYPD and the driver of the taxi the couple changed into to look humbler) the truth was rather different.
The fact is we didn?t need the authorities to tell us that.
Every New Yorker knows that any kind of car-chase ? let alone a two-hour one ? is literally impossible in this city.
Prince Harry, Meghan Markle: the lies don't fly in NYC (https://nypost.com/2023/05/18/sorry-harry-and-meghan-the-lies-dont-fly-in-nyc/?utm_source=reddit.com)
The press in America has 95% turned against them.
Yes, written by the neoconservative (and British) writer Murray, who has taken it upon himself to state what all New Yorkers think about the Sussex situation. And in the NY Post of all papers, reproduced in the right wing Aus News site, a dedicated anti Sussex news site. Has he taken a poll of all New Yorkers, and all the Press in the US, lol!?
I expect heads rolling and multiple dumping and finger pointing this weekend and very likely extended to 'Monday.
The Daily Beast is an American news website focused on politics, media, and pop culture. Founded in 2008, the website is owned by IAC Inc.
The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the celebrity gossip
I don't think opinions from the NY Post are any less valid than opinions from The Guardian.
Both have biases just some are pro Sussex and some are negative Sussex.
They don't have the media in the UK and USA, they lost (90%+ negative) the press by landslide.
Source: Paperboy (Both US and UK) headlines and content
More, CNN has the timeline
Prince Harry and Meghan's New York car chase -- what really happened? | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/world/harry-meghan-new-york-car-chase-intl-cmd-scli/index.html)
TMZ video that backups the timeline
https://twitter.com/SarahData_/status/1659553257868472326
breakfast club talking about how paps hit parked cars
https://twitter.com/SarahData_/status/1659557899536945152
John Miller, former NYPD deputy commissioner has the complete timeline.
https://twitter.com/SarahData_/status/1659560031300341761
confirms timeline and that the danger wasn't just harry and meghan but members of the public.
The issue: Paps were following them from an event that they able to get all of the photos they wanted. Instead of not harassing the couple and leaving them alone, they caused the couple to flee, even followed them to police stations and had 0 regard for the lives of the general public.
Now it can be resolved: Not chasing down cars for photos.
What needs to be said instead of disregarding two public figures and one non-public figure: this is wrong, full stop. it shouldn't have happened and we won't support this industry.
What do you think paparazzi do? They try to get pictures of famous people.
IMO the duo will or have already left NYC quietly, too many official public elements against them, including the latest rumor of NY State General Attorney and NY District County Attorney, too much pile up.
In less than 1 hour they were debunked. NYC like all the large cities in the world with '' big brother watching'', IF the couple had 'any' chance to be right, it would have come out immediately. Very difficult to misbehave where there are cameras (and not private, public rolling 24/7/365 with huge data bases 1 and 2) in ''every'' street. Period.
There's a celebrity responsibility in NYC. Usually, statistically, the blame will fall on them. Blacked out SUV, Limousines, several (plan a and b) 5 star hotel stops just in case, Michelin restaurant (same plan a and b) stops just in case, etc. Bigger A+ list stars, from Taylor Swift to Disney Marvell event, same night, zero issues.
^ Exactly Amabel2, Taylor Swift and the Disney Marvell stars stood entering/departing the 10 to 15 seconds; smiled, waved, posed - center, left, right, said ''thank you'' and left! Some A+ even go further with the thank you with 'see you guys at the next''. PR tactics learned to be in grace and in favor, the paparazzi do their job, sell the picture to the media, the media asks the pap 'any anecdote', oh she/he was nice and said thank you or see you at the next event, go to my new The Flash film or concert and such.
Sample of VIP A and B+ Celebrities, Models, Political figures, Billionaires, Multimillionaires living in NYC who at this conjunction have not publicly supported the couple against the celebrity status/paparazzi/city of lights/glamour known, etc. about this city in particular. It's not only the above blacked SUV, Limousines, the very famous and multiple 5 star hotels famous people have used to safeguard for a few hours or stay, same with the multiple Michelin restaurants with few hours or dine to safeguard.
^ This is what is referred as 'celebrity responsibility' in that city.
To me, this is the biggest backlash incident that will change their (Sussexes) own life privately and publicly. One thing is the royal family, the other thing is when it's done to an entire city that hasn't presented any problem whatsoever with the more than 300 A+ to B+ people that live there. Only a terrorist act on 9/11.
Right when I'm writing about the 'educated' due to celebs who live there and have critizised the duo, Page Six:
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Harry and Meghan's 'near-catastrophic car chase' happened because they were too cheap to pay for a hotel, sources have revealed.
The entitled couple allegedly demanded the Carlyle ' the late Princess Diana's favorite hotel' give them a discounted room for their New York City visit this week.
According to law enforcement sources, bosses at the Carlyle refused the hefty discount, so the embattled pair instead stayed at a friend's house on the Upper East Side.
But when the paparazzi began following them Tuesday night from the Ziegfeld Theater ' in what their spokesperson claimed was a 'relentless pursuit, lasting over two hours' the duo didn't want to lead the photographers back to their friend's home and reveal where they were staying.
A New York City law enforcement source told Page Six: 'They should have just gotten a hotel for the safety of everyone. Instead, they were cheap and wanted a free place to stay.'
Harry & Meghan's NYC 'car chase' happened because they were too cheap to pay for hotel: source (https://pagesix.com/2023/05/19/harry-meghans-nyc-car-chase-happened-because-they-were-too-cheap-to-pay-for-hotel-source/?utm_campaign=pagesix&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)
So these are unsourced comments from anonymous, unnamed people that have no legitimacy at all. Someone unnamed at a certain hotel alleges that a person demanded a discount, but doesn?t have any proof that occurred at all, and another source, again unnamed, but probably some policeman that knows nothing, makes a comment about people in the public eye that he doesn?t know either. Very legitimate and verifiable, I don?t think!
The Sussexes stayed the night at a friend?s house, presumably because they were asked to do so, which is what usually happens between friends. Comments from anonymous people about where they may have stayed perhaps, maybe, have no legitimacy at all.
Harry and Meghan's "near-catastrophic car chase" happened because they were too cheap to pay for a hotel, sources have revealed. -
According to law enforcement sources, bosses at the Carlyle refused the hefty discount, so the embattled pair instead stayed at a friend's house on the Upper East Side.
The entitled couple allegedly demanded the Carlyle - the late Princess Diana's favorite hotel - give them a discounted room for their New York City visit this week.
Page Six: Harry & Meghan's NYC 'car chase' happened because they were too cheap to pay for hotel: source (https://pagesix.com/2023/05/19/harry-meghans-nyc-car-chase-happened-because-they-were-too-cheap-to-pay-for-hotel-source/)
I really hope this is not true. Wow.
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Such is their independence from each other that the owner of a leading hotel chain in Montecito recently told The Daily Telegraph they have a room set aside for Harry where he occasionally stays on his own.
The Duke has also been known to stay at the uber-exclusive San Vincente Bungalows when visiting LA, which is a two-hour drive from the couple?s ?11 million mansion.
?That seems to be his escape place,? said a source of the super secretive and selective members? club in West Hollywood, which ? unlike the Soho House chain also frequented by the Sussexes ? bans journalists from joining. A refuge from the rigours of parenting two children under four, Harry has apparently stayed there after attending Barry?s Bootcamp, a high-octane cardio fitness class, at the nearby Beverly Center. One friend described the couple as ?like any parents of such young kids: frazzled.?
The Sussexes are frazzled, fraught and lacking romance ? like any couple with young kids (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/05/19/harry-meghan-sussex-marriage/)
You know, I don't believe it's true about the hotel...but...
It doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't have been chased. Once again, people want to say they deserved this. People would be much happier if something had happened to them.
They have more than enough money to afford a hotel. They too, can stay at people's homes when traveling just like other people.
But as I said, it doesn't matter if it's true, the paps chose to put people's lives in danger for photos and I don't care if people don't value the lives of at least three people in this but it doesn't mean they should've experienced this.
And Harry leaving his wife is the British Media's wet-dream. That won't happen and since they just can't get him to shake off that woman they don't like, they do this. News flash, even if Harry left Meghan.....I doubt he's coming to you Camilla.
Quote from: wannable on May 19, 2023, 09:10:59 PM
The Sussexes are frazzled, fraught and lacking romance ? like any couple with young kids (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/05/19/harry-meghan-sussex-marriage/)
I can promise you that more than one parent would likely take the opportunity to have a full night's rest from their toddler/pre-schooler now and then. This is a busy time for them.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 19, 2023, 10:21:41 PM
You know, I don't believe it's true about the hotel...but...
It doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't have been chased. Once again, people want to say they deserved this. People would be much happier if something had happened to them.
They have more than enough money to afford a hotel. They too, can stay at people's homes when traveling just like other people.
But as I said, it doesn't matter if it's true, the paps chose to put people's lives in danger for photos and I don't care if people don't value the lives of at least three people in this but it doesn't mean they should've experienced this.
And Harry leaving his wife is the British Media's wet-dream. That won't happen and since they just can't get him to shake off that woman they don't like, they do this. News flash, even if Harry left Meghan.....I doubt he's coming to you Camilla.
That is just a nasty thing to say about Camilla as if she ever would want Harry, her husband's son....a real piece of work!
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 19, 2023, 10:21:41 PM
You know, I don't believe it's true about the hotel...but...
It doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't have been chased. Once again, people want to say they deserved this. People would be much happier if something had happened to them.
They have more than enough money to afford a hotel. They too, can stay at people's homes when traveling just like other people.
But as I said, it doesn't matter if it's true, the paps chose to put people's lives in danger for photos and I don't care if people don't value the lives of at least three people in this but it doesn't mean they should've experienced this.
And Harry leaving his wife is the British Media's wet-dream. That won't happen and since they just can't get him to shake off that woman they don't like, they do this. News flash, even if Harry left Meghan.....I doubt he's coming to you Camilla.
I'm not one saying they deserve this.
They DO need to be very careful of what they DO publicly (privately it is their own business). Most if not all of their outings is tied to a drama, the USA media recognize this and the public over there are or already have recognized it. This latest NYC drama is the most commented and very badly.
In reference to sleeping out to avoid responsibility, 1/4 of households do it, resulting in 1/4 end up divorced, same result 1/4 Mom household, same result of 1/4 under 18 living with Mom (nurturing only from Mom). It's hard to have a second marriage now than in the 90's It's hard to marry once for what it's worth. Less marriages, less children (population), more gender ID's.
Camilla Tominey was the one who broke to the world their relationship, I hope this is not a case of giving a soft news with lube for a break up.
A 2 hour car chase? Somehow I can not see that in NYC, having lived across the river from NYC in northern NJ and hopped the train to NYC all the time, it takes 2 hours just to go from on end of the city to another in a taxi as I darn well know.
This is typical behavior from the Sussex's, just had to stay relevant so that they can show how important they are to whom......the fans, the world, the royal family? Gosh the royal family is very quiet and so many others aren't, like the mayor of the city...oh, well lets all take a deep breath for I am sure there is something else coming from them very soon, after all they need the world's approval to be who they think they are. What I do not get is why in the heck change cars....that SUV is a work horse of a car....for a taxi? The Sussex's have proven they are never ending ways of keeping us guessing what is next.....LOL
They are A+ stars, what I've read from celebrities that live there is much of the same what and how celebs act and do in NYC:
Hire SUV or Limo
Hire Private Security
Road map to event from point x to y
Two hotels between x to y to stay for a few minutes or hours or sleep over (Heavy traffic, Heavy rain or too cold, Paparazzi, in that order it has been stated)
Two restaurants between x to y same as the above
It never fails, paparazzi are not allowed once you enter a hotel or a restuarant. Fact.
That the couple ended up at a police station, took a taxi no seatbelt, Doria's window down, did a round about, to end up at the police station again. <_< Without a care IF something had happened to leave a taxi driver low income in trouble, and the public in general. It must be said, thank the heavens nothing happened, but a soap opera for headlines and column inches.
As I said, celeb responsibility.
Quote from: Nightowl on May 19, 2023, 10:41:56 PM
That is just a nasty thing to say about Camilla as if she ever would want Harry, her husband's son....a real piece of work!
The reference in this post bu change is Camilla Tominey, the British journalist who was the one who broke the story of Harry dating Meghan back in 2016 and has filed many stories about the Sussexes. It has nothing to do with Queen Camilla.
Quote from: Curryong on May 19, 2023, 11:20:28 PM
The reference in this post bu change is Camilla Tominey, the British journalist who was the one who broke the story of Harry dating Meghan back in 2016 and has filed many stories about the Sussexes. It has nothing to do with Queen Camilla.
Thank you Curry.
I see that those who took issue, didn?t check the link that I quoted.
If had been talking about that Camilla, I would?ve made it clear I was talking about her.
Also, there was obviously concern for the taxi driver as security dedcided after 10 minutes to leave his cab.
The only dangerous and reckless people were the paps who cared more about a photo than people?s lives. And the people who are trying to dissect words and figure out how they can blame the Sussex?s and Doria for what was done TO them and general public.
^ Why did they change from a ''secure SUV'' to a taxi with no blacked out windows, wore no seatbelts...here is at least one of two people who's head will roll.
*****
According to Neil Sean last night, the couple allegedly will address their NYC situation on a video (Harry's idea, Meghan is not too Keen), will it be an apology or victimhood?!. It will allegedly come out very soon. Note: Neil didn't use the word allegedly, he is convinced it will happen.
^ When he said that last night I had a recollection of Amber Heard and Johnny Depp 'forced' to do a Australia's immigration Home Affairs office video which was part of a fine and deportation for breaking the law. (They had lied in re about Amber's mascots vaccination and mandatory quarantine of 30 days)
Quote from: wannable on May 19, 2023, 11:11:29 PM
They are A+ stars, what I've read from celebrities that live there is much of the same what and how celebs act and do in NYC:
Hire SUV or Limo
Hire Private Security
Road map to event from point x to y
Two hotels between x to y to stay for a few minutes or hours or sleep over (Heavy traffic, Heavy rain or too cold, Paparazzi, in that order it has been stated)
Two restaurants between x to y same as the above
It never fails, paparazzi are not allowed once you enter a hotel or a restuarant. Fact.
That the couple ended up at a police station, took a taxi no seatbelt, Doria's window down, did a round about, to end up at the police station again. <_< Without a care IF something had happened to leave a taxi driver low income in trouble, and the public in general. It must be said, thank the heavens nothing happened, but a soap opera for headlines and column inches.
As I said, celeb responsibility.
Strangely enough that appears to have been the plan
@wannable when the Sussexes have previously made mult-day visits to NYC in the past. I don't recall any issues regarding security and the paparazzi with their 2021 trip for events with their charities or even more recently when they were seen dining there in 2022. I'd say that they need to consult whomever handled their transportation and security then.
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I'm 99% sure someone in the security team will be fired. Perhaps the touchy feely to client one will be chopped - strangely enough too he is ex secret service, ex Obama security. I'm shaking my head whilst I type this, because how could he have allowed this situation. There is also a problem of private security IS employee to their bosses (client) Meghan and Harry. They can advice as part of their job, but ultimately the bosses are the decision makers. Also private security do not have to write down every detail in a little book like government tax funded security. Private security only have to publicly disclose IF and only by a court of law.
^I'm using the old fashioned government security of writing in a little book. Today they use bio metric devices that have such perfection and precision, all the details of date/time/whereabouts is recorded. State of the Art stuff (plus the birds eye view cctv that come purchasing new cars or having it installed in used cars, this tech can record video/voice and send it live to the amount of people one want's to watch you)
Another good article Meghan Tried to Celebrate Her Post-Royal Life in Style?But She Can?t Shake the Royal Attention | Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2023/05/meghan-ms-foundation-speech-paparazzi-chase)
Never should 100 articles be written about a woman in a month when she hadn?t been seen for six weeks or more. The obsession with Meghan is sick and as long as people pretend it?s not real, her life with be danger overall and especially in the UK.
The is inciting violence and feeds into people who are obsessed and want to see her hurt
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 21, 2023, 01:17:14 AM
Another good article Meghan Tried to Celebrate Her Post-Royal Life in Style?But She Can?t Shake the Royal Attention | Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2023/05/meghan-ms-foundation-speech-paparazzi-chase)
Never should 100 articles be written about a woman in a month when she hadn?t been seen for six weeks or more. The obsession with Meghan is sick and as long as people pretend it?s not real, her life with be danger overall and especially in the UK.
The is inciting violence and feeds into people who are obsessed and want to see her hurt
Yes, I read that article. I agree it?s a good one. I think the Daily Express wouldn?t be far behind the DMs 100 articles a month. From the time Meghan was newly engaged till right now, there were at least three negative Express articles per day about her and sometimes Harry, including when she was on pregnancy leave and barely seen. God knows what the journalists had to imagine was happening to get to those totals.
Quote from: changemhysoul on May 21, 2023, 01:17:14 AM
Another good article Meghan Tried to Celebrate Her Post-Royal Life in Style?But She Can?t Shake the Royal Attention | Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2023/05/meghan-ms-foundation-speech-paparazzi-chase)
Never should 100 articles be written about a woman in a month when she hadn?t been seen for six weeks or more. The obsession with Meghan is sick and as long as people pretend it?s not real, her life with be danger overall and especially in the UK.
The is inciting violence and feeds into people who are obsessed and want to see her hurt
Well if Megham wants to shake the royal attention, all she has to do is *Give up her title* and the royal attention will be gone,,,,,,SIMPLE! Yet we all kmow how much she loves that title.....Duchess, domt we?
Quote from: Nightowl on May 21, 2023, 03:57:22 AM
Well if Megham wants to shake the royal attention, all she has to do is *Give up her title* and the royal attention will be gone,,,,SIMPLE! Yet we all kmow how much she loves that title.....Duchess, domt we?
I hardly think that royal attention would be gone for either of them, ever. The world knows that Harry is a Prince and King Charles?s son. Meghan is the King?s daughter in law. They can hardly deny that?s who they are, Or that it will be so for as long as Harry lives.
And it?s not Meghan?s title, it?s Harry?s. Meghan follows the English fashion of a wife taking the name and status of her husband. If they were to give up being the Sussexes, then Harry would remain Prince Harry and his wife would become Princess Henry. Probably that would simplify things in the US as the term Duchess is not really understood there.
Quote from: Nightowl on May 21, 2023, 03:57:22 AM
Well if Megham wants to shake the royal attention, all she has to do is *Give up her title* and the royal attention will be gone,,,,SIMPLE! Yet we all kmow how much she loves that title.....Duchess, domt we?
As
@Curryong pointed out in her post, it's not that easy. Should Harry no longer have the title of Duke of Sussex, he'd revert to being Prince Henry/Harry. Meghan would indeed be known as Princess Henry then.
A good example is the late QEII's cousin Prince Michael of Kent never inherited a royal dukedom like his eldest brother so he retained the title he'd have from birth. His future spouse Marie Christine was offered the courtesy title of "Princess Michael."
The article is designed for non royal watchers or to brainwash the public to forget, a PR stunt with no detailed explanation of why the articles exist and sectioning it to each segment; political, social, entertainment, etc according to each journalist's employed department.
The amount of articles is warranted thanks to the couple's shenanigans. When one or both require a Jan 8 apology to my wife and stretch it all the way to May, they have 5 months of mentions in the news. When a person goes hiking and pictures are published 24 hours after a historical coronation, and the hiker is wearing a bunch of fine jewelry. When a couple stage a 3 secure SUV's to a roundabout taxi. And on and on.
Nothing to stop Harry nad meg making it known that they want to be simple Mr and Mrs Mountbatten Windsor.
Exactly. The couple have done every single trick in a PR book to be always in the news, when one stretch is over, incoming the next 'bombshell''.
Double digit of Harry stating in his Spare book launch interviews in a span of 72 hours and stretch is as far as possible with little tid bits and spokesperson corrections of what they meant, or who is not in the stew, etc: My wife didn't say the royals are racist, My wife is owed an apology AND they (royals) know what we know they know. These use of words will warrant 100 articles. Then stretch it to unconscious bias, then stretch it to from a public apology we will accept a private apology to I'm afraid to have a meeting with the family because they will leak it, he's the informant, it will generate controversy and hundreds of articles.
Then the hundreds of articles from medical perspective worried about the wife and the children because they live with a confessed drug addict. His spare book generated articles that innevitably are attached to himself, to her, to the children, from the military, to mother's, to you name it, it's valid for all types of people worldwide to write, comment, from experts to random. They placed themselves in the PUBLIC, they create themselves PR controvery of we are angry and mad (as in crazy) with Harry's family, the most famous family in the world...
So no, the Vanity Fair article is pure PR stunt, probably paid.
The biggest threat to Harry and Meghan isn?t paparazzi on bicycles. It?s their own paranoia (https://archive.is/N1OMS#selection-839.0-839.91)
The biggest threat to Harry and Meghan isn?t paparazzi on bicycles. It?s their own paranoia
The Times.
Quote from: wannable on May 21, 2023, 12:36:38 PM
The amount of articles is warranted thanks to the couple's shenanigans. When one or both require a Jan 8 apology to my wife and stretch it all the way to May, they have 5 months of mentions in the news. When a person goes hiking and pictures are published 24 hours after a historical coronation, and the hiker is wearing a bunch of fine jewelry. When a couple stage a 3 secure SUV's to a roundabout taxi. And on and on.
So, if Vanity Fair or any other magazine or news outlet says anything at all favourable about the Sussexes they are cherry picking and muddled and probably paid off? When they write critical articles then it?s all completely warranted? Right, got it!!!
Putting aside the Vanity Fair article for a moment, how would you characterise the number of articles written in the tabloids after Meghan and Harry returned from Australia and the Pacific, then. I took notice of the critical articles at that time, you see, and of the numbers.
The online Daily Express had at least three articles coming out every day at a time when Meghan was still a working royal but soon went on maternity leave. During that time she was barely seen. The online DM had a similar number. They reported on her appearing at a fashion award show and the fact that she was ?holding her belly all the time?, (untrue btw) her interactions with some of the designers, ?inappropriate of course? and, horror of horrors she wore a tight dress and wore BLACK nail polish. Harry was still working but got very little criticism.
All the tabloid journalists ran to judgement on the NY baby shower with Opinion pieces. Royals just don?t do that. Expensive consumerism not like other members of the RF. Not like the ones who have two or three homes and indulge in expensive hobbies.
It didn?t cost the taxpayer a darn thing, though you wouldn?t have known it from the articles. and the fact that Meghan probably travelled across the Atlantic in a friend?s private plane was also a thing of horror. Forget about the Duke of Westminster?s private plane and the Rothschild yachts other royals borrow. No, it was Meghan being ?American? and breaking all the rules again. She couldn?t have got more bad publicity if she herself had ordered a pack of male strippers to appear at the party and engage in an orgy with the female guests!
That allowed the tabloids to go on and on for several months and when that was finished there were endless articles about how the couple were so New Age and going to decorate their nursery with environmental paint, untrue, get a ?chanter? in at the birth, untrue, their standoffishness with the neighbours in Windsor Great Park, untrue, and how the child would be brought up gender neutral, untrue.
Just thousands of newsprint expanded on rubbish.. You talk about ?justified? articles because of ?shenanigans?. If there weren?t any, and aren?t any as in all those months in LA where the Sussexes were barely seen, the months in Montecito where there?s the occasional glimpse that generated the usual sneering reports, it is all the same.
My reply to changemysoul was in jest as we all know how much the Sussex's love the attention from the reporters as that keeps them relevant daily. There is no way they will ever stop playing the reporters as that is their lifeline to be celebrities amd to let the world know how important they are still to the BRF. So we can expect more from them the rest of their lives.....now I do have a headache thinking that....just think we have more drama and more untruths to write about...... :orchid:
I didn?t realise we were all being forced, out of fear of ostracism or fear for our lives, to comment every day anywhere (royal forum or not) on the Sussexes or their doings. When did that memo come out? And did it come from the Fail? Just jesting. We know that the Fail and others absolutely love the Sussexes. They keep them in business, via clickbait. Maybe you should relieve your anxiety headaches and not bother about the couple?
You know I almost feel sorry for the Sussex's, they keep making the same mistakes over and and over again and again, a normal person would think if this is not working, why not try something else till it gets right......that is life, we make mistakes and then we try to correct them if it doesn't work.....I really don't think they even know what they heck they want out of life. Just know Harry your not getting the damm throne.
I was reading other royal forums amd came across a comment that really hit home to me and it is so darn true, I can't remember all of it so this is my thoughts om it, we the royal watchers around the world are reading and commenting on the Sussex's daily and what we are also doing is sitting back and watching a car crash happening while there is nothing we can do to stop it, we are the witnesses' to this and believe me the end results are deadly. I have said here and elsewhere that if and when Harry hits bottom it will not be a pretty sight. Right now I firmly believe he is still using drugs to cope with his decisions and his leaving the BRF as he is not a happy man by any means......and I know very well 1000% how drugies behave amd lie.
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Quote from: Curryong on May 22, 2023, 12:27:59 AM
So, if Vanity Fair or any other magazine or news outlet says anything at all favourable about the Sussexes they are cherry picking and muddled and probably paid off? When they write critical articles then it?s all completely warranted? Right, got it!!!
Putting aside the Vanity Fair article for a moment, how would you characterise the number of articles written in the tabloids after Meghan and Harry returned from Australia and the Pacific, then. I took notice of the critical articles at that time, you see, and of the numbers.
The online Daily Express had at least three articles coming out every day at a time when Meghan was still a working royal but soon went on maternity leave. During that time she was barely seen. The online DM had a similar number. They reported on her appearing at a fashion award show and the fact that she was ?holding her belly all the time?, (untrue btw) her interactions with some of the designers, ?inappropriate of course? and, horror of horrors she wore a tight dress and wore BLACK nail polish. Harry was still working but got very little criticism.
All the tabloid journalists ran to judgement on the NY baby shower with Opinion pieces. Royals just don?t do that. Expensive consumerism not like other members of the RF. Not like the ones who have two or three homes and indulge in expensive hobbies.
It didn?t cost the taxpayer a darn thing, though you wouldn?t have known it from the articles. and the fact that Meghan probably travelled across the Atlantic in a friend?s private plane was also a thing of horror. Forget about the Duke of Westminster?s private plane and the Rothschild yachts other royals borrow. No, it was Meghan being ?American? and breaking all the rules again. She couldn?t have got more bad publicity if she herself had ordered a pack of male strippers to appear at the party and engage in an orgy with the female guests!
That allowed the tabloids to go on and on for several months and when that was finished there were endless articles about how the couple were so New Age and going to decorate their nursery with environmental paint, untrue, get a ?chanter? in at the birth, untrue, their standoffishness with the neighbours in Windsor Great Park, untrue, and how the child would be brought up gender neutral, untrue.
Just thousands of newsprint expanded on rubbish.. You talk about ?justified? articles because of ?shenanigans?. If there weren?t any, and aren?t any as in all those months in LA where the Sussexes were barely seen, the months in Montecito where there?s the occasional glimpse that generated the usual sneering reports, it is all the same.
I'd agree with VF if only the couple hadn't sabotaged themselves.
The article amount and content is so vastly different before/after Megxit. Before Megxit journalists had secrets kept from the masses which then was a free fall after Megxit, especially in the drum up to Oprah.
The ''intro'' to amount and content DID start in their Australian tour, but one needs to separate what was reported ''then'' and what was reported from that tour ''after'' secrets were exposed. I DO separate it for fairness, THEN: it was the market shortened visit and a University I paid it all FIB. AFTER: The list is larger.
The 3 per day article is usually sectioned as I've repeatedly explained in the past, it is done likewise with Catherine. She doesn't expose herself, she doesn't say anything 'indiscreet' to sabotage herself and make controversial headlines. Note I said indiscreet to sabotage oneself, rather than indiscreet to woke warrior or any other movement, which is different.
In reference to her pregnancy, Meghan herself has made it to date to have people speculating from start to finish, including staff that LATER (AFTER) were collateral damage. I'll just make one reference, the BP announcement had no signatures from nobody. Not one.
There's been much speculation that the Duchess wishes to relaunch her old blog, The Tig. Here's some highlights from it over the years.
The most revealing insights Meghan Markle shared on The Tig before she met Prince Harry | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11863125/The-revealing-insights-Meghan-Markle-shared-Tig-met-Prince-Harry.html)
Meghan Markle Is Bouncing Back With the U.S. Public (https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-bouncing-back-us-public-polling-prince-harry-1801736)
QuoteMeghan Markle's net approval rating is back in positive numbers four months after a publicity blitz around Prince Harry's book Spare appeared to spark a collapse in their popularity.
The Duchess of Sussex was liked by 39 percent and disliked by 34 percent, according to a survey of 1,500 U.S. adults carried out on May 17 by Redfield & Wilton for Newsweek.
The data gives her a net approval rating of +5, leaving her in positive numbers for the first time in multiple rounds of polling for Newsweek since a collapse in their popularity in January 2023.A publicity blitz around their Netflix series Harry & Meghan in December 2022 and the duke's book Spare in January 2023 appeared to send their U.S. approval rating into free fall.
Between December 5 and January 16, Meghan's net approval rating dropped from +23 to -13, a 36 point decline, while Prince Harry's dropped from +38 to -7, down 45 points.
During that period, Harry leveled a series of attacks against other members of the British royal family, accusing Camilla of leaking stories about him in order to pave her path to becoming Queen Consort, and also talked at length both in his book and at least one interview about putting Elizabeth Arden lip cream?the same brand used by his mother, Princess Diana?on his frost bitten penis.
Since then, however, American public opinion has begun to swing slowly back in the couple's favor and Newsweek's most recent polling data puts Harry on +15.
Across all U.S. adults, the prince was liked by 42 percent and disliked by 27 percent, a seven point bump compared to April 4 when he was on +8.
And Harry is back on +15. All the same, I don?t know that I trust Newsweek?s polling figures in the same way I do YouGov as a reliable source. Id love to know the methodology of the polling company they employ, how do they find out the opinions of people under 35 for example, a demographic that almost universally uses mobile phones only and therefore is pretty hard to contact commercially. These are a magazine?s figures and shouldn?t be treated as gospel imo.
Harry and Meghan are **not senior royals anymore* they made the choice to leave the royal family and the Firm so amy poll anywhere is not important and living in America which does NOT recognize a royal family as important. These polls of the Sussex's importance is only for the their fans and their eogs. It means absolutely Nothing to the real BRF or the American people. Magazines that state polls are just click bait for money just like the daily fail/mail amd all the other tabloids.
It really doesnt matter - I dont think that Harry will ever be a working royal again unless in many years from now, he leaves America. and Meghan never will be.
Your right, it doesn't matter about polls or who or how polls are dome as they are just worthless pieces of media garbage to me, in time Harry and Meghan will eventually become just like Edward and Wallis, lost in time as even if Harry is the son of a king or brother of another king.....since they are not part of a working royal family, they will appear here and there in the media as gossip like the royals today that have no importance anymore really but to show up for a wedding or two . I really think they lost their chance to be something big or important all because of the crap they have dished out to Harry's family with lies and backstabbing them.. The thing is that most people are I would like to believe just decent, loving, caring about family as family comes first in most people's lives, what they did to Harry's family is total betrayal and that im the end doesn't sit well with families that care about each other. Now is their time for a few short years I think is all they have left.
I have a different perspective, all my life working for large corp in top management, we use polls to see where to improve numbers, numbers means financial gain too.
The Sussexes live in the states, so those numbers are encouraging to them. IF the numbers kept on being poor to worse, if affects their brand, their brand is themselves, not liked, well it hits the psyche and they will end up completely like hermits or move to a new country. With numbers improving, the psyche acts different, stay and brainstorm where and how can we improve.
Curryong, If Neil Sean is correct with a barrage of brands wanting the couple or Harry, will he end up doing infomercials? or will the infomercials be in Meghan's The Tig? If it happnes, I won't mock them, they left royalty to be independent, better infomercials then trashing family.
In a separate comment from the above and after stating my opinion about Polls, this comment has to do with Newsweek. The paper has struggled since it's foundation, it's had it's steep ups and down's. Ownership passing from hand to hand to hand. Accusations of not fact checking, which by legal means (in a court of law) they admitted to not fact check since 1996.
The importance of ''methodology'' in a poll to be taken serious is important to share with the public, a full disclosure of an excel sheet with the demographics. If given partially, a survey expert will have doubts. I personally hope the Newsweek poll is true, it would mean a WIN WIN situation to Meghan and Harry, and directly also to the BRF across the pond, IOW everyone is where ''they have to be''. A poor outcome, result for Meghan and Harry could only mean they'd have to ask help, instead of Houston we have a problem it would be London we have a problem. IMO no one involved wants that! to happen.
I can?t see either Harry or Meghan flogging things on that US shopping channel that Fergie apparently regularly appeared on, selling juicers and pots and bakeware etc. It depends on what products are being offered I think. If it could be something rather like those coffee or drink ads that George Clooney did years ago, with a few lines of dialogue showing a sense of humour about the product placement, then he might consider it I suppose. It would depend on what was being offered.
Nespresso is a luxury brand, not bad at all for a career retirement endorsemet, loads of moneys. I say this with respect - his retirement, as his career in acting, what Hollywood or the mockers call a washed up celebrity. Anyway the film industry to day are doing more fantasy AI movies (and woke movies changing history based on fact with a note of change in race - some excellent results others with losses and terrible results), so the old folk is in forced retirement mode.
Personally I do not listen or believe in polls, only a few people are ask their opinion in polls and the poll people count that as a *whole* and that is not all the people giving their opinion, so why believe in a few people.....I believe in researching and myself, not what other polls want me to believe in. How can a person believe in polls when only a few people are asked to be in it? As my sister used to tell me all the time, and I have it saved here just to get a chuckle once in a while, *So beam me up Scotty as there is no intelligent people left on the earth, there are way to many sheepels/people believing in what other people tell them to believe in*.
Doesn't George C become the face now of a brand of Tequila? I see his face on an advertisement in a grocery store that I walk by all the time with my dog. So retired celebrities are also advertising their faces in other countries to make money as they really don't want to be seen doing that in the US...maybe Harry and Meghan can do the same, just leave the BRF out of it and no more trashing them...that makes them look insecure and weak..move on and do something positive for themselves without the royal family being involved. Maybe this will happen now after that horrific so called car chase.