A thread for news and discussion for Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor and The Earl of Wessex (James) [/color]Titles for the Children of the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh| Royal Insight (http://www.royalinsight.net/princes-of-wessex/)
QuoteAs it is widely known, Royal Proclamations are done through Orders-in-Council and Letters Patent, and given neither legal instruments have been used in regards to the styles and titles of any of the children of the Earl and Countess of Wessex, we can with great confidence say the style of 'Royal Highness' and title of 'Princes' do legally apply to James and Louise of Wessex.
This is therefore legally binding through the Letters Patent issued by King George V in 1917 which states the grandchildren of the Sovereign through the male-line "shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names"
The children may be currently known and unofficially styled and titled as children of an Earl, but in legal terms, and a style and title which they can use at any moment is the following:
His Royal Highness Prince James of Wessex
Her Royal Highness Princess Louise of Wessex
I'm confused as to the wording of this article. Royal styles and titles are a matter of royal prerogative. The Queen can change royal styles and titles as she pleases.
"This is therefore legally binding through the Letters Patent issued by King George V in 1917" -- The Sovereign can't be legally bound especially not by his or herself. The Letters Patent of 1917 were issued without ministerial advice because the style of royal highness and the title of prince or princess conveys no legal rights unlike a Peer of the Realm. HRH Prince Harry of Wales has no more legal rights than Peter Philips.
To say Louise is legally a princess doesn't mean anything material. A person is either a princess or not but no one has a legal right to the title. Its use is strictly a courtesy of the Sovereign.
I am no expert and obviously Windsor has much more knowledge in this matter than I do so can I ask for clarification on what it means to be 'legally' a prince or princess in the United Kingdom when the title carries no legal rights with it?
There is nothing confusing about it. HRH The Prince Edward Earl of Wessex is a male and the son of a sovereign therefore his son and daughter are entitled to be HRH Prince and Princess under the letters patent of 1917 as HM's Kent cousins are the children of HRH The Prince George Duke of Kent his children the Present Duke of Kent Prince Edward, Princess Alexandra and Prince Michael. The only grandchildren of no entitled to the style were the children of the two Princess Royal's Mary and Anne as they are female.
Very insightful. Thanks, Trudie :flower:
Very impressive
I'm hope Louise and James get titles from grandma because Prince Edward is son of queen
I don't know Louise and James get titles looks like we have wait and see to find out
They don't need to get their titles from The Queen under the letters patent and proclamation of 1917 those are their titles. The Queen decides other titles i.e Dukedoms, peerages and titles of those who marry into the family upon marriage and divorce. Louise and James are blood royals and that cannot be taken away.
^^^ You better have a look at the impact of the 1917 Letters Patent. 14 'blood royals' and three by marriage lost their royal status.
The Sovereign can change royal styles and titles at anytime and for any reason, no questions asked.
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The Tecks, The Battenbergs and The Gleichens all came out on the wrong end in 1917. Royal one day and then not.
That was an exceptional situation. They were actually German royals, who were living in Britain and the Sovereign chose for what were good reasons at the time, not to give them British fully royal status but to give them aristocratic titles. In very unusual or exceptional circumstances she could strip Edward's children of their Prince and Princess status but its not at all likely that it would happen.
Louise has been Lady Louise for years. If she was to suddenly become Princess Louise, would it not be confusing for her?
James has been Viscount Severn for years. If he was to suddenly become Prince James, would it not be confusing for him?
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As both Louise and James have to CHOOSE to become HRHs, and then only after they reach the age of 18, (which Louise now is) I don?t see why it would be confusing. In spite of all the media talk since Sophie?s interview, where the Wessex children?s titles were mentioned, I have serious doubts that either will choose to become Princess/Prince.
Such stylings would be of no advantage in the modern world, and, as their mother has made it clear that both have been brought up to have a career in mind in adulthood, it could well be a serious disadvantage. And in spite of the recent twitterings of a couple of elderly commentators in the Press, there?s no sign whatsoever that BP is barracking for Lady Louise to be put on the royal payroll any time soon. IMO Louise (and James) are headed for University and then a career of their choice.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on December 09, 2021, 08:21:20 PM
Louise has been Lady Louise for years. If she was to suddenly become Princess Louise, would it not be confusing for her?
James has been Viscount Severn for years. If he was to suddenly become Prince James, would it not be confusing for him?
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why would they be confused?
Quote from: Amabel2 on December 10, 2021, 10:19:53 AM
why would they be confused?
Louise and James have had their respective titles for years. It might take awhile to get use to a newer title.
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Quote from: LouisFerdinand on December 11, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Louise and James have had their respective titles for years. It might take awhile to get use to a newer title.
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Easier then someone marrying into the family and gaining a title.
They are more then aware about the titles and so on, it won't be confusing or a shock to them. Really the titles mean little to the actual royals until they are adults. Even if Louise had been Princess Louise from birth the title would have had no relevance to her.
A rare article about the youngest grandchild for QEII and the late DoE.
James, Viscount Severn, Prince Edward's son, facts, details, biography | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/article/james-viscount-severn-prince-edwards-son-facts-details-biography)
Louise is off to St Andrews Uni to study English. Well done! :thumbsup:
( wasn?t she a little cute kid in Catherine and Williams wedding party like, just yesterday?)
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News on Lady Louise 📚 A Buckingham Palace spokesperson says:
Having received her A Level results today, Lady Louise will start at St Andrews University in September to study English.
I'm sure the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will be giving her some tips!
:princessgrace: Congratulations to Lady Louise on her acceptance to St. Andrews University! I hope that she enjoys the experience as much as her cousin and his wife did.
The Queen's granddaughter Lady Louise Windsor, 18, will study English at St Andrews | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11123871/The-Queens-granddaughter-Lady-Louise-Windsor-18-study-English-St-Andrews.html)
Lady Louise Windsor's future revealed following A-Level results | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220818148578/lady-louise-windsor-a-level-results-future-plans-confirmed/)
Lady Louise thrilled to follow in Kate and William footsteps as university place confirmed | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1657076/Lady-Louise-Windsor-A-Level-results-Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-St-Andrews-university)
Lady Louise Windsor to go to same university attended by William and Kate - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-lady-louise-windsor-go-27774275)
WOW!! Follow her cousin?s the Duke of Cambridge footsteps to St.Andrew?s university
Can't go wrong with St Andrews.
Will the press compare Lady Louise's academic experiences to her cousin Prince William?
@LouisFerdinand -They'll likely compare it to both William and Catherine's experiences especially if Louise ends up in the same residence hall they did. Now as an English major, she's not studying the same subject matter but she has an opportunity to join various clubs while there much like they did.
Louise had a summer job working at a local garden center this summer. A great opportunity to learn about time management, responsibility, organization and work habits. :high5:
Queen's granddaughter Lady Louise Windsor, 18, earns ?6.83 working summer job at a garden centre | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11125375/Queens-granddaughter-Lady-Louise-Windsor-18-earns-6-83-working-summer-job-garden-centre.html#reader-comments)
Lady Louise to Attend Prince William and Kate Middleton's Alma Mater (https://people.com/royals/lady-louise-will-attend-university-where-prince-william-kate-middleton-met/)
Buckingham Palace reveals exciting future plans for Lady Louise Windsor ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/wessex/buckingham-palace-reveals-exciting-future-plans-for-lady-louise-windsor-179685/)
St Andrews University follow Cambridges
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 18, 2022, 10:33:14 PM
Will the press compare Lady Louise's academic experiences to her cousin Prince William?
I hope not but I?m not holding my breath in that regard, knowing the London tabloids! I hope Louise has a wonderful time at a great University and enjoys a unique experience there without being tormented by journalists and photographers. She may see some at the beginning, but actually once the initial excitement has died down I hope she?ll be left alone (unless she gets a boyfriend in which case all bets are off!) She?s not a senior royal and most of the time Lady Louise is photographed now is when she is with her family and other royals.
@Curryong -Hoping that Louise will be given the same privacy that her cousin did when he was at St. Andrews. I believe that we'll see some initial photos, but hopefully her classmates will just respect her privacy like they would any other student there.
How wonderful for Lady Louise, I remember when she was born, ages ago. I really hope the media leaves her alone yet not holding my breath that they will. From all the articles, pictures and info, Lady Louise seems like such a sweet young lady with a good understanding of the royal family and the media. Hoping she has a great future and time to make her choices in what her life will be.
Her mother recently said she wouldn't press her to go to University but that Louise is quite clever and she hoped that she would. Quite clever indeed - her A levels show that she is VERY clever! So happy for her and her parents - but how they will all miss her, especially HM.
I don?t think will release the pictures up to her parents decisions to protect Louise and James this not photocall not back to late Diana,Princess of Wales but Prince Edward know what to protect his children from paparazzi and media but what True Royalty says Prince Edward protect his wife and kids and expect the privacy
Don?t you remember Prince Edward broke rules about films on Duke of Cambridge went to university in September 2001 and protect William?s privacy rightful
Prince Edward angered Prince Charles after defying his order on William and Harry | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1530893/Prince-Edward-news-Charles-Harry-William-privacy-BBC-documentary-royals-latest-vn)
Earl of Wessex learned lessons
That's 20 years ago...
The Wessexes will IMO release a picture of their daughter in the grounds of the University. Same concept with silent agreement practices the BRF is taking with the media now a days.
Quote from: wannable on August 19, 2022, 02:54:36 PM
That's 20 years ago...
The Wessexes will IMO release a picture of their daughter in the grounds of the University. Same concept with silent agreement practices the BRF is taking with the media now a days.
Yes
Congratulations to Lady Louise :flower3: I am not surprised in Scotland. The Wessexes spend extra time with the queen there.
St Andrews is a great school. Yes comparison to her cousin but he can also give advice.
I am conflicted if we will see a photo. Other then baptisms,the family hasnt released photos. We only see these two at events or caught riding with their grandmother. The couple have done a good job of keeping them mainly private.
They May release a photo as Louise is an adult and open to media now. And going to the same school as the Cambridges will open her up many articles comparing (dorms vs flat, clubs, dating etc). May hope releasing one photo may help.
Congratulations to Lady Louise on her choice of University and area of study.
Her mother has said that she is quite clever, and it will be interesting to see the paths her life takes. It's also so nice to see good things coming her way when she had such a rough start in life. Her parents must be so grateful!
Good luck to Lady Louise who starts today at University of St. Andrews.
She has been spotted at St. Salvatore Hall. According to the source it is the most luxurious rooms.
This week is orientation week
What a dream education Lady Louise will get and wishing her the very best adventure of a lifetime for her education and life's experiences. :hearts:
There's a private?! picture posted in youtube of Prince Edward, Lady Louise and Catherine Duchess of Cambridge with a University Principal at some point this year or late last year (IMO because LL does look quite 17sh 18sh, plus previous pandemic closing) touring the Uni. Which probably makes sense to choose/apply 1.5 year before sixth form grad secondary school. That youtuber uploaded today with LL news of start of the uni year, this week orientation with St. Salvatore Hall news.
Do you think Prince William and Catherine will visit Lady Louise at the university?
I don?t think will release the pictures will private till Edward and Sophie will decide to release or NO! You remember what happened Edward films his former work at Prince William?s university in Scotland in 2001 and Charles told Edward no release films or pictures without permission
How Lady Louise Windsor is following in Kate Middleton's footsteps | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/20220906150243/lady-louise-windsor-kate-middleton-same-university/)
James at the Jubilee concert
The shy boy looking at the ground no more. He's growing up and to want to do the vigil with his cousins, which is VERY PUBLIC. Wow! Good for him
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I wish I can find the amateur videos (Jubi and CWG), which IMO are the best, because it's just random people pulling out their smartphones and pressing record, whatever comes out.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/02/14/60982691-11072875-image-a-6_1659445674468.jpg)
Nice family. QE was proud of that.
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on September 19, 2022, 08:51:15 PM
Nice family. QE was proud of that.
Louise and James were the youngest of The Queen's grandchildren. They were very respectful and that says a lot about a good upbringing.
They really were impressive
James is Viscount Severn isnt he, not Earl of Essex?
Quote from: Curryong on September 20, 2022, 04:02:57 AM
James is Viscount Severn isnt he, not Earl of Essex?
obviously.
Time went flying
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/30/14/73770379-12353733-image-a-1_1690722301178.jpg)
Many of the people commenting on this article seemed a bit surprised to see a 19 year old driving. It seems that more young people are delaying this skill in recent years.
Lady Louise Windsor, 19, is pictured behind the wheel of a Volkswagen Polo as she heads to carriage trials | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12353733/Lady-Louise-Windsor-19-pictured-wheel-Volkswagen-Polo-heads-carriage-trials.html)
Quote from: TLLK on July 30, 2023, 06:26:47 PM
Many of the people commenting on this article seemed a bit surprised to see a 19 year old driving. It seems that more young people are delaying this skill in recent years.
Lady Louise Windsor, 19, is pictured behind the wheel of a Volkswagen Polo as she heads to carriage trials | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12353733/Lady-Louise-Windsor-19-pictured-wheel-Volkswagen-Polo-heads-carriage-trials.html)
Maybe Covid and the quite severe restrictions on travelling anywhere or seeing strangers (like driving instructors) stymied things a bit for a couple of years in some countries? Nevertheless, I would be very very surprised if Louise hadn?t had a certain amount of driving practice (with a parent aboard) on the private roads on estates like Sandringham and Balmoral etc. since she was quite young.
Quote from: Curryong on July 30, 2023, 09:14:21 PM
Maybe Covid and the quite severe restrictions on travelling anywhere or seeing strangers (like driving instructors) stymied things a bit for a couple of years in some countries? Nevertheless, I would be very very surprised if Louise hadn?t had a certain amount of driving practice (with a parent aboard) on the private roads on estates like Sandringham and Balmoral etc. since she was quite young.
I know here in California that young adults are putting off learning how to drive. Instead of trying for a permit and license at 16, more are waiting until 18. Our high schools are no longer teaching drivers education and behind the wheel training as they did 25 years ago.
I can see how Louise likely had the opportunity to practice driving on the private roads on the Windsor estate, so that might be why she already has her license.
Lady Louise Windsor took to the grounds of Windsor Castle today as she embarked on the hobby she shared with her late grandfather, Prince Philip
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Independent lady! Louise Windsor, 19, heads on solo carriage ride around the grounds of Windsor Castle
The daughter of Prince Edward was spotted carriage driving in Windsor today
The daughter of Prince Edward, 19, is a keen equestrian like her late grandfather and has competed in carriage-driving competitions throughout the year.
Today, she was dressed for the occasion in a long grey coat, with a blanket placed over her lap as she braced the early morning chill.
The teenager wore her glasses, and pulled her hair back for the outing.
Louise, the late Queen's youngest granddaughter, is currently studying at University of St Andrews in Scotland, the alma matter of her cousin Prince William and where he met the now-Princess of Wales.
So very nice to see Lady Louise still doing the carriage rides that her grandfather taught her, that there still shows the strong bonds she has with Prince Philip to this day. All that love will carry her through life's up and downs.
Yes it is good to see her enjoying her carriage driving now because she's going back to St. Andrew's in the coming weeks. Orientation starts next week, but as a second year I doubt that she'd be attending that week. Teaching begins on Sept. 11, 2023.
Louise had a rather unusual start for her first year as her grandmother's death would have occurred in either her orientation week or the first week of teaching.
https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/semester-dates/2023-2024/
That would be very hard especially for someone so young and who was extremely close to her grandparents like she was. I still see the picture in my mind of HM laughing and clapping when Lady Louise was in an event a few years before her death. Such joy and love between them. I have the picture saved here somewhere.......lol. I like the way her parents have raised her to be strong and independent something like the way the Wales are raising their children to have a normal life as much as they can.