If you have any questions regarding royalty, then please feel free to post them here. This forum has loads of great minds who have a wealth of knowledge on all things royal. What they don't know isn't worth knowing :thumbsup:
It's a silly question IMO but I'm going to ask it anyway :blush: :teehee:
Does anyone know when Zara's column in the Daily Telegraph will appear? :unsure:
What is the period between the reigns of King Charles I and King Charles II called? :mellow:
Was it the Protectorate?.............or The very unfun time? :hmm:
Quote from: Windsor on December 28, 2006, 09:07:55 PM
What is the period between the reigns of King Charles I and King Charles II called? :mellow:
interegum period i think :hmm:......but that cant be spelt right! :laugh:
Why is Windsor asking a question? :lmao:
W: I was referring to you as one of the great minds of the forum :yessir:
Stix: Interregnum..
QuoteThe Commonwealth of England was the republican government which ruled first England and then Ireland and Scotland from 1649 to 1660. After the regicide of Charles I on January 30, 1649, its existence was initially declared (An Act declaring England to be a Commonwealth) by the Rump Parliament on May 19, 1649. The government during 1653 to 1659 is properly called The Protectorate, and took the form of direct personal rule by Oliver Cromwell and, after his death, his son Richard, as Lord Protector. The term Commonwealth is, however, loosely used to describe the system of government during the whole of 1649 to 1660, the years of the English Interregnum.
Like the gum one better :yessir:
What do you think about Prince William marrying someone African American or anyone of a different race?
In this day and age it hardly matters really.........just as long as he/she is not a husband beater.
..or has 3 nipples :rudolf:
Seriously though..I think people and the establishment would be fine with it. People are people the world over, regardless of colour etc :happy:
Question: I'm watching a thing on tv and they just said the privvy council were in charge of Henry VIII's bowel movements and wiped his arse for him? :huh?: OMG :faint: Is this true? :o
:lmao: that's disgusting...atlease they made sure he was clean for the next poor victim in his bed :fool:
It is disgusting :huh?:
:lmao:
My question is why does the girl William marry, has to be a catholic. Also, I don't know where else to ask this, but why does or did the girl have to be a virgin? Thanks. :)
you mean why she can't be catholic? it has 2 do with founder of the Anglican church, King Henry VIII<8th> who no longer felt the catholic church suited him since he wanted 2 divorce his 5th wife, in favor of a new one 2 give him a son....about being a virgin its a tradition most monarchies had...some still do....its a patriarchal double standard where the king did not want 2 bed a woman another man lay/slept with.....but i highly doubt the latter applies 2 william...unless he seeks women from diff. culture...or...marries a teenager.
Yes. I think it has something to do with William being the future King and therefore, Defender of the Faith. :)
I am curious not much on the royalty of the world but did Iraq at any point and time after the fall of Babylon ever have a royal family??? Been seaching the web but haven't found anything. Thanks
Quote from: hippie_cyndi on January 08, 2007, 10:09:47 AM
you mean why she can't be catholic? it has 2 do with founder of the Anglican church, King Henry VIII<8th> who no longer felt the catholic church suited him since he wanted 2 divorce his 5th wife, in favor of a new one 2 give him a son....about being a virgin its a tradition most monarchies had...some still do....its a patriarchal double standard where the king did not want 2 bed a woman another man lay/slept with.....but i highly doubt the latter applies 2 william...unless he seeks women from diff. culture...or...marries a teenager.
Thanks. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Jayne on January 07, 2007, 05:03:36 PM
My question is why does the girl William marry, has to be a catholic. Also, I don't know where else to ask this, but why does or did the girl have to be a virgin? Thanks. :)
This explains it better...
QuoteThe Royal Marriages Act of 1772 is an Act of the Parliament of Great Britain which made it illegal for any member of the British royal family (defined as all descendants of King George II, excluding descendants of princesses who marry "into foreign families") under the age of 25 to marry without the consent of the ruling monarch. Any member of the Royal Family over the age of 25 who has been refused the sovereign's consent may marry one year after giving notice to the Privy Council of their intention to so marry, unless Parliament passes an act against the marriage in the interim. The Act further made it a crime to perform or participate in an illegal marriage of any member of the Royal Family. This provision was repealed by the Criminal Law Act, 1967. The 1772 Act resulted from the 1771 marriage of Prince Henry Frederick, Duke of Cumberland, brother of George III to the commoner Anne Horton, a woman George III considered unsuitable. As the result of the Act, the 1785 marriage of George IV, then heir to the throne, to Maria Anne Fitzherbert (a Catholic widow) was deemed illegal; without the Royal Marriages Act, it is possible that the marriage could have excluded George from the throne under the Act of Settlement 1701.
I have three question.
1. In most royal houses, the heir to the throne is called the Crown Prince(ss) but the Brits use the Prince(ss) of Wales title instead. Why is that? Have they ever used the Crown Prince(ss) style?
2. Why do some royals wear sashes at fancy official functions, like weddings? Again, why don't the Brits?
3. I know that a British royal can't marry a Catholic without being taken out of the line of succession, but can they marry a converted Catholic or is it no go if they were baptised Catholic?
Quote from: Nighthawk on January 08, 2007, 05:13:34 PM
I am curious not much on the royalty of the world but did Iraq at any point and time after the fall of Babylon ever have a royal family??? Been seaching the web but haven't found anything. Thanks
The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire after the end of the World War I saw Iraq and several other provinces including Jordan and modern day Israel fall under the control of the British Empire – during this period, the British in order to restore law and order established a 'puppet Monarchy' under the 'control' of the Hashemite dynasty. The Iraqi Monarchy was overthrow by a military coup in 1958.
There are currently efforts underway to restore the Monarchy in Iraq and for the Iraqi system of government to be changed to a Constitutional Monarchy under the current Heir to the Throne, Prince Sharif Ali bin al-Hussein as King.
Official web site of the Iraqi Constitutional Monarchy (http://www.iraqcmm.org/)
ty windsor :flowers: :Royal:
Quote from: Elisevonblah on January 10, 2007, 08:35:00 AM
1. In most royal houses, the heir to the throne is called the Crown Prince(ss) but the Brits use the Prince(ss) of Wales title instead. Why is that? Have they ever used the Crown Prince(ss) style?
different monarchies have different titles and honors. they are worded differently but they all mean basically the same thing. the POW title is only ever given to the first born son of the Brit. Monarch. and he only keeps it for as long as he's a prince. only the POW's wife could become the Princess of Wales. a female heir born to the British throne cant inherit the Prince/ss of Wales title. the highest title a female heir can get in Britain is to by styled the Princess Royal (which is how Princess Anne is styled).
also...kind of a cool side note...the title HRH wasnt used in Britain until King George I brought the title over from Hanover. and once even the title Prince and Princess was only given to the eldest children. all the younger siblings had to make do with Lord and Lady.
Quote2. Why do some royals wear sashes at fancy official functions, like weddings? Again, why don't the Brits?
i love those things! they are to denote rank. and to just generally look cool and royal. 8) the British royals do wear the sashes on official royal occasions....but if were a Princess u'd never get me out of it! :laugh:
Quote3. I know that a British royal can't marry a Catholic without being taken out of the line of succession, but can they marry a converted Catholic or is it no go if they were baptised Catholic?
i'm pretty sure they can....but if the husband/wife were to go back to their first religion or raise their children as Catholics there would b a bit of a problem.
Quote from: wombat on January 07, 2007, 06:57:58 AM
Question: I'm watching a thing on tv and they just said the privvy council were in charge of Henry VIII's bowel movements and wiped his arse for him? :huh?: OMG :faint: Is this true? :o
yes! :happytears: Keeper of the Stool. a very prestigious role actually.....but i think i'd rather b Petter of the Corgi. :D
Quote from: Jayne on January 07, 2007, 05:03:36 PM
Also, I don't know where else to ask this, but why does or did the girl have to be a virgin? Thanks. :)
Hippie's answer to this was great! but just to add on with a more modern take on it, these days if she doesnt have a "past" then she dosent have to worry about old boyfriends selling love stories (and even photos) to the press like happened to Sophie.
Quote from: Stix Chix on January 12, 2007, 03:49:24 AMi love those things! they are to denote rank. and to just generally look cool and royal. 8) the British royals do wear the sashes on official royal occasions....but if were a Princess u'd never get me out of it! :laugh:
Not necessarily – sashes in most European countries represent Orders of Chivalry and other national awards and honours. You can be royal, but if you are not awarded one of these 'honours' then you have no right to wear one of the very many sashes.
http://www.medals.org.uk/ (http://www.medals.org.uk/) - excellent web site on Orders of Chivalry, honours and medals.
is it true that Camilla wont be able to were the family jewels .. I heard it on a documentary. That the jewels will be placed on hold for Williams wife :shrug: is it true
i have a silly question, but what is the Duchy?
i always thought "Duchy" was another word for Dukedom. but it has an official Website! (http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/) 8)
update on the royals marrying Catholics.....
King Charles I and his son Charles II both married Catholic princesses. they all caught some flack for it, but Charles I and his queen caught the worst. they were all married before the Royal Marriages Act of 1772.
:flowers: thanx Stix!
Quote from: blue eyes on January 14, 2007, 09:12:04 AM
is it true that Camilla wont be able to were the family jewels .. I heard it on a documentary. That the jewels will be placed on hold for Williams wife :shrug: is it true
That is not correct.
Quote from: agentblueberry on January 19, 2007, 12:32:32 AM
i have a silly question, but what is the Duchy?
A Duchy is a territory ruled by a Duke/Duchess. :)
:flowers: thanx!
What is Duchy of Cornwall?
Quote from: Windsor on January 22, 2007, 03:14:25 PM
A Duchy is a territory ruled by a Duke/Duchess. :)
Jelly, the Prince of Wales is also the Duke of Cornwall. Therefore the Duchy of Cornwall is the territory he rules.
The Duchy of Cornwall is one of two Royal Duchies in the United Kingdom, the other being the Duchy of Lancaster. Click Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Cornwall) to read more on the Duchy of Cornwall - Click Here (http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/) to visit the Official web site of the Duchy of Cornwall.
Now that a woman can inherit the throne in England whether there are males born after her or not, what would the first born child be called if they were a girl. A boy would be made Prince of Wales, but Princess of Wales is not a title in its own right (although I believe it was used once). Is she called Princess Royal? Or might they go European and call her the Crown Princess? Or do we have to wait and see if William has a daughter first?
sillyjobug, England still has male primogeniture. For example, if Elizabeth II had a younger brother he would have become monarch instead of her. Since there was no brother, she was known as the Heiress Presumptive while her father King George VI was alive.
Wow, I really thought they'd got rid of that. Okay, well, that makes my question pointles then... and makes me a little sad.
New question: Do you think that if William's first child were a girl, they would change the rule. (Many countries seem to discuss this when the firstborn is a girl: Spain, Japan, etc...)
Quote from: sillyjobug on March 20, 2007, 06:01:43 AMNew question: Do you think that if William's first child were a girl, they would change the rule.
Not at all.
:hmm: why not? is really not fair.... because sex problem
Denmark has..hasn't it? :hmm:
if William's first child were a girl the subject of changing the rule would probably be brought up....but wether it would actually get changed is anyone's guess.
Thank you very much Windsor.
That seems quite unfair that a first born girl in England can't get it but her younger brother can.
but Queen Elizabeth was a woman! so first born child of England could be heirs
:teehee: :Jen:
Hair/Heir today, gone tomorow. :rolleyes:
Tell Wills about it <_<
Quote from: truly_thata on March 27, 2007, 02:53:38 AM
but Queen Elizabeth was a woman! so first born child of England could be heirs
but if she had had a younger...or older....brother (just like if Queen Elizabeth I, Queen Anne or Queen Victoria had had brothers) she would never had become Queen. which is a weird thought! :mellow: all those Queen's were pretty amazing.
Have they reconsidered the no Catholics law or do you think they ever will? Considering that they reconsidered the no divorcees or "must be a virgin" law.
Quote from: PrincessKLS on May 16, 2007, 04:03:14 AM
Have they reconsidered the no Catholics law or do you think they ever will? Considering that they reconsidered the no divorcees or "must be a virgin" law.
Hmmmmmm, berrrrry interesting question. Concerning the latter, I do, indeed stand a chance, hehe, haha. :Royal: :Jen:
Quote from: Stix Chix on March 29, 2007, 02:02:10 AM
but if she had had a younger...or older....brother (just like if Queen Elizabeth I, Queen Anne or Queen Victoria had had brothers) she would never had become Queen. which is a weird thought! :mellow: all those Queen's were pretty amazing.
Queen Anne did indeed have a brother......the famous warming pan baby.
Um, he really was her half-brother, Heather. She helped her brother-in-law depose of her dad and him so that she would become Queen eventually.
Will Camilla keep her title Dutchess of Corn-whatever when Prince Charles passes if he dies first ??? And will she still be part of the royal family ???
If Charles pre-deceases both Camilla & the Queen, Camilla would then be known as the Dowager Duchess of Cornwall. The Duchess of Cornwall is the title of the wife of the current Duke of Cornwall (aka the Prince of Wales). In this case, the new Duchess of Cornwall would be William's wife.
Quote from: EmpressofIndia on May 24, 2007, 06:20:58 PM
Um, he really was her half-brother, Heather. She helped her brother-in-law depose of her dad and him so that she would become Queen eventually.
Um 8), I know he was her half brother, King James II (7th of Scotland) was father to them both, and to Queen Mary, wife of William, and to another sibling, Louisa Maria who died of smallpox at age 19.
new question:
what happens when an heir is homosexual?
of course it would be accepted today, but what would happen?
for example, say prince william was gay.
if he got married, would the public accept him and his husband to rule the country?
(2 queens, instead of a king :teehee:)
heir wise, pw could let his niece/nephew inherit throne.
PW would be replaced by his look-alike :teehee:
there have been homosexual royals (some of them sovereigns) in the past. most if not all of them did marry and have children. homosexuality has had many different views over history. a lot of the time it wasnt considered a big deal, especially among the upper and ruling classes. that doesnt mean they all approved of it but people turned a blind eye. but it was pretty much one rule for them and one rule for everyone else. so long as a male heir (or more) was produced by the king and queen to continue the line people didnt really worry.
if it happened to today, with William specifically? well.....like with everything else there would be some who are fine with it, and some who are not and the rest wouldnt care. there would be concern over how (or who) would produce the next heir to the throne. there would be debate about having a gay Governor of the Church of England just as there is debate now about appointing gay priests. there would be debate over if he could marry or not and what should the man's title be if he does just as there is debate over gay marriage now. there would be some who say he should step down as king. there would be some who say he shouldnt. and so on and so on. it'd be a very fiesty and unhappy debate....he'd probably hate every second of it.
Good points, Stix :thumbsup: The reasons you gave are exactly why if William (or any of the RF) were homosexual, they would probably never come out publicly proclaiming it. The fall-out would be too intense. Coming out is a challenging enough time as it is and having to do so in front of the entire world and the media would be a complete nightmare.
Who is Ella Windsor? Can someone enlighten me?
Lady Gabriella Windsor, she was daughter from Prince Michael of Kent
Really? I was a bit confused - I read somewhere that there is a Gabriella AND an Ella - that it`s two different persons :shrug:
How old is she?
Why is there a St. George's flag when St. George isn't British and he supposedly has never set foot on English soil? :hmm:
Now that's a very touchy subject! :teehee:
Oh, is it? :pardon: Now you've got me very interested. :devil:
Quote from: Savanna on May 29, 2007, 10:50:04 AM
Really? I was a bit confused - I read somewhere that there is a Gabriella AND an Ella - that it`s two different persons :shrug:
How old is she?
no....Gabriella was Ella (ella was her nickname)
Why is it that the Queen`s birthday is in April but always celeberated in June? :unsure:
QuoteThe tradition of having an official birthday for the Sovereign was begun for practical reasons. Monarchs who had their birthdays in the winter months often encountered problems due to cold, wet weather spoiling parades and other outdoor celebrations.
King Edward VII, who was born on 9 November, was the first Sovereign to mark his official birthday on a separate day to his actual birthday throughout his reign, holding celebrations in either May or June.
One Queen, Two Birthdays (http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page4820.asp)
:thumbsup:
I see. That clarifies things. But isn`t it pretty warm at the end of April? And sometimes the snow comes down in June :shrug:
June is usually warm, but not too hot. :)
Quote from: Savanna on June 04, 2007, 12:01:12 PM
Why is it that the Queen`s birthday is in April but always celeberated in June? :unsure:
her father also do the same thing...usually they have 2 birthday party, 1 for personal (only family members who come) and other was state party (big ceremony in church)
They have been doing this since the time of Edward VII.......thanks for pointing that out Cassidy! :thumbsup:
pw's b-day is already in june. so what then?
They will have to design a new month :teehee:
what?
here's a question why isn't Zara a princess ? why isn't she Princess Zara ???
Nighthawk,The Princess Royal and her former husband Captain Mark Philips did not want their children to be HRH, princes, princess, lady or lord. Because they wanted them to have a more normal life, and I think it has worked.
Oh ok thank you I have wondered why it was.
if PC become King is the national anthem "God Save the Queen" will change?
^ I wondered about that to, I think it does.....
It would be a little awkward to sing "God save the Queen" to PC. :windsor1:
Quote from: PrincessKLS on May 16, 2007, 04:03:14 AM
Have they reconsidered the no Catholics law or do you think they ever will? Considering that they reconsidered the no divorcees or "must be a virgin" law.
We never had a no divorcee or no virgin law..
Quote from: starlight on June 21, 2007, 09:37:00 PM
Nighthawk,The Princess Royal and her former husband Captain Mark Philips did not want their children to be HRH, princes, princess, lady or lord. Because they wanted them to have a more normal life, and I think it has worked.
No. The Letters Patent of 1917 drawn up by George V state that only the grandchildren of the Sovereign in the male line were to be princes or princesses with the prefix HRH. Anne's children are grandchildren in the female line, and therefore take no royal style and titles.
Quote from: truly_thata on June 23, 2007, 02:11:59 AM
if PC become King is the national anthem "God Save the Queen" will change?
Yes, it becomes "God Save the King"
That doesn`t sound good
"God Save the King" was sung in the reigns of George II, George III, George IV and William IV before it was transformed into "God Save the Queen" for Victoria...
It still does sound better to sing the Queeeeeeeeeen, than the Kinggggggggggg
^ Well unless PC decides to have a sex change we clearly don't have a choice. ;)
But I do agree, it sounds better with Queen than King.
yeah...but really funny to hear God save the Queen when PC was King
I am sure the people would just love it! Like me :nod:
What? Charles having a sex change? :huh?: :happytears: I think Cams would be a bit unhappy. :waaaah:
No, no sex change - just singing "Queen" still! Just keeping the lyric, the people will like it!
In our more modern history 20-21st centuries who has been the youngest monarch to pass away?
Hello all!
I just became interested in how to properly address British royalty. I've gotten involved in editing an article on wikiHow, "How to Address British Royalty and Aristocracy" at http://www.wikihow.com/Address-British-Royalty-and-Aristocracy (it's a wiki, so anyone can edit the articles there). All the info I could find on this is there, but I'm still not sure if it's correct or complete. I was hoping maybe someone here could shed light on this topic and make sure I'm on the right track.
These are the instructions, do they sound accurate to you? Or would I embarrass myself in front of "Her Majesty the Queen" if I used these steps?
HELP! :gaah:
1. Acknowledge royalty with a bow from the neck (not the waist) if you're male and a small curtsy if you're female. Only shake the queen's hand if it is offered to you first (if you are wearing gloves, they should not be removed).
2. Begin a conversation using a formal address.
- Queens and Kings are addressed as "Your Majesty". Introduce them as "Her Majesty the Queen" (not "Queen of England", it is "Queen of the United Kingdom").
- Princes and Princesses are referred to "Your Royal Highness." Introduce them as "His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales." Any child or grandchild of a monarch is considered a prince or princess. The spouse of a prince is also a princess, although the spouse of a princess is not always a prince. A great-grandchild of a king or queen is not considered a prince or princess, but they are still a Lord or Lady. Address them as, e.g. "Lady Jane" and introduce them as "Lady Jane Windsor" (unless they have a different title of their own).
- Dukes and Duchesses are called "Your Grace" or "Duke/Duchess." Introduce the duke to someone else as "His Grace the Duke of Norfolk," the duchess as "Her Grace the Duchess of Norfolk".
- Baronets, Baronesses and Knights are addressed as "Sir" followed by their first name for a baronet and a male knight, or "Dame" followed by the first name for a baroness and a female knight. Introduce them in the same way, but include their last name as well. For example, use "Dame Gertrude" in conversation, and introduce her as "Dame Gertrude Mellon." This does not apply to the wife of a baronet or knight (see next category). Baronesses is a separate title -- it doesn't mean the wife of a baronet.
- Except as listed below, other forms of nobility are addressed as, "Lord or Lady Towlebridge" (for the Earl of Towlebridge), and introduced the same way.You wouldn't normally give their exact rank during an introduction. A peer's wife is introduced as "Lady Towlebridge" (not "Lady Honoria Towlebridge," which would imply that she has some other rank).
3. Use "Sir" or "Ma'am" thereafter. If the noble uses a casual style of conversation, drop the "Sir" or "Ma'am." Don't make them have to ask.
Quote from: Krystle on July 14, 2007, 06:37:57 PM
Any child or grandchild of a monarch is considered a prince or princess.
Her Majesty's oldest grandchildren, Peter and Zara Phillips, are not Prince and Princess. Apparently the offer was made when they were born but it was declined by their mother, the Princess Royal.
A baroness is the female equivalent of a baron - not a baronet.
The female equivalent of a baronet is - I believe - a baronetess - although I don't know of one. A baronet is styled Sir.
I found one (http://old.legynds.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=58810&sid=21603e8de56454357fe2bf57395a1dd1) ;)
She could have spelt Arbroath right! 8)
are any of the royal family members left in Iraq female ?? anyone know ? I've been reseaching and can't find anything really
All I could find was Princess Hiyam and Princess Nafeesa, and they were shot. :(
There are still members of the Iraqi Royal Family...cousins etc..but they fled Iraq years ago.
Here's one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/not_in_website/syndication/monitoring/media_reports/2316745.stm), the last Kings cousin or something - who wants to resume his families place in Iraq.
Here's a site (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/iraq/monarch.html) with some info on it.
how sad :cry:
thank you wombat :flowers:
My father met King Faysal II, many moons ago, he was killed in 1958.
The remnants of the family escaped to Jordan.
Quote from: Cassidy on July 14, 2007, 07:09:22 PM
Her Majesty's oldest grandchildren, Peter and Zara Phillips, are not Prince and Princess. Apparently the offer was made when they were born but it was declined by their mother, the Princess Royal.
Interesting! See, this is the kind of info that I wouldn't be familiar with to begin with. It does look like Princess Anne declined the titles for her children because she wanted to shield them from the media. Thank you so much for bringing my attention to this! I changed that part of the article to:
"Princes and Princesses are referred to "Your Royal Highness." Introduce them as "His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales." Any child or grandchild of a monarch is considered a prince or princess, although there are a few exceptions (Her Majesty's oldest grandchildren, Peter and Zara Phillips, for example, are not a prince and a princess, because their mother, Princess Anne, declined the titles on their behalf)..."
Hope that makes sense. Thanks again!
Quote from: mediastar on July 14, 2007, 07:30:12 PM
A baroness is the female equivalent of a baron - not a baronet.
The female equivalent of a baronet is - I believe - a baronetess - although I don't know of one. A baronet is styled Sir.
Looks like I was a little hazy on this. I did some research and this is what I found:
A baron or a baroness is generally addressed as, "Lord or Lady Towlebridge" (for the Earl of Towlebridge), and introduced the same way.
Baronets and knights, if male, are addressed as "Sir Ralph" (if his name is Ralph Sweet) and his wife is "Lady Sweet". You would introduce him using his full name, "Sir Ralph Sweet," and his wife as "Lady Sweet."
Women knights and baronetesses are "Dame Gertrude" or "Lady Sarah" in conversation, and you would introduce her as "Dame Gertrude Mellon." (Baronetess is a separate title, and does not mean the wife of a Baronet. It is the female equivalent of a Baronet, and quite rare.)
Now, is a Baroness a separate title, not necessarily the wife of a Baron, but equivalent to a Baron? Would a Baroness and the wife of a Baron be addressed in the same exact way?
The more I learn about this, the more complicated it gets!
Thanks for the help. =)
QuoteThe Act of Succession prevents Charles from becoming king if he is married to divorcee Camilla, so how can they just skirt around this?
I read this on one of the comments about Camilla waving a knife around telling charles she didn't want to be queen is this true ? anyone know ?
NH,
Camilla was cutting her birthday cake, and playfully pointed the knife at Charles. :whoopdeedoo:
It seems they are getting more adventurous in their "on camera" teasing of one anther.......the old pen trick is getting old. :notamused:
Latest word (spin) has it Camilla doesn't want to be Queen, she just wants all the stuff that goes with it, but not the actual job/work/duties etc....nothing new there really...CH is hoping all of Britain and The Commonwealth will beg her to take the title........that is of course when her mother in law does the necessary and dies.....all a bit distasteful and premature IMO. <_<
Quote from: heather on July 18, 2007, 07:31:10 PM
NH,
Camilla was cutting her birthday cake, and playfully pointed the knife at Charles. :whoopdeedoo:
if Charles died PW will become KING, Camilla stap him
Question: Throughout history, has there been more examples of "Rasputin" types influencing royals?
History is full of favourites:
James I had Esme Stewart, Duke of Lennox, and George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham.
Queen Anne had Sarah, Duchess of Malborough and her dresser Abigail Masham ( who was related to the reviled Sarah)
Queen Victoria had Lord Melbourne and John Brown.
Charles, our present Prince of Wales has the lovely Michael Fawcett and of course, the lovely Camilla, his mistress of many decades.
Some favourites were sexual partners, some were not, some seemed to have complete control of their royal "betters".
Quote from: heather on July 21, 2007, 07:05:47 PM
History is full of favourites:
James I had Esme Stewart, Duke of Lennox, and George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham.
Was that Duke of Buckingham a descendant of
the Duke of Buckingham who had an affair with Anne of Austria, the mother of Louis XIV? :unsure:
Quote from: heather on July 21, 2007, 07:05:47 PM
History is full of favourites:
James I had Esme Stewart, Duke of Lennox, and George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham.
Queen Anne had Sarah, Duchess of Malborough and her dresser Abigail Masham ( who was related to the reviled Sarah)
Queen Victoria had Lord Melbourne and John Brown.
Charles, our present Prince of Wales has the lovely Michael Fawcett and of course, the lovely Camilla, his mistress of many decades.
Some favourites were sexual partners, some were not, some seemed to have complete control of their royal "betters".
I knew the Charles and Queen Vic ones......do go into detail :woo:
Esme Stewart was supposed to be the gay lover of James I, I am not sure about The Duke of Buckingham.
Queen Anne was under the thumb of Sarah, Duchess of Malborough, who was not exactly popular, she was usurped by her own "cousin" Abigail Hill, later Masham, who she had put in to be dresser to Queen Anne.
Queen Victoria was very fond of Lord Melbourne, Prime Minister in her early days as Queen, but the advent of Albert thrust the much older man from the spotlight. John Brown, her Scottish servant, was very much trusted by her, he saved her life on the odd occasion and spoke to most everyone else like dirt, including the then Prince of Wales, lover to Camilla's ancestor. :teehee:
Fawcett and Camilla are the two people Charles cannot do without, there have been stories about all three of them that would make my toes curl. :huh?:
:blink: I am confused - too many names :brainwashed:
Take one paragraph at a time, and two asprins, and call me in the morning. I am not a doctor, I just play one on TV. 8)
:blink:
She does....she's always staring off at the drop of a dramatic musical interlude, with lots of face pulling and a funny little voice saying: "Why did Grant do that to me? Does he think I really killed my sisters brothers father? I need Frank. I need to show him that I love him. Last night with Todd was unbelieveable. Damn that woman. Damn her!"
BOT: I thought John Brown was more than just QV's gilly ;)
John Brown had a special place in QV's heart, but the most they ever shared was a wee dram or two. :)
John Brown, this guy from that gospel song? :hmm:
No he is the guy who was potrayed in the movie......Mrs Brown.
He was played by a friend of mine, Billy Connolly. :)
Another guy I never heard of (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/figuren/e070.gif)
Please stay on topic
Quote from: heather on July 23, 2007, 05:06:33 PM
He was played by a friend of mine, Billy Connolly. :)
I love Billy Connolly...
BOT: What about HM? Has she ever had her own "John Brown"?
There have been several ugly and unfounded rumours re: HM The Queen in regards to Baron Patrick Plunket, and Lord Porchester.
That is all I am going to say on this matter.
Thanks :thumbsup:
Lord Porchester? What a stupid name :lmao: Sounds like pork and chester :happytears:
He is also Lord Carnarvon. :)
Have fun with that! :P
I just mentioned that guy Carnarvon on the AL Fayed feud thread...
Which forum?
Erm, PW`s? Dunno but that topic with the Al Fayed thread, you just posted in there, as I saw
Yes, I am sorry to say I found it. :notamused:
Why sorry? Did I say anything I oughtn`t?
No you didn't say anything objectionable......I just read the thread, and wished I hadn't. :(
:consolation:
This is a question that was posted by another member elsewhere in the forum and I found it interesting. Does anyone know?
I am just wondering. What would happen if somebody refuses to curtsey to any member of the royal family? Is it a crime, are there any serious consequences?
Lots of people do not, it is not a crime.
There are no serious consequences, but you may be spared one of Charles' speeches in the future :D....just kiddin. :teehee:
:teehee: I agree. Royalty isn't like it used to be.
What about during a very public and formal meeting of the Queen?
^you'd be thrown in the Tower.
ok, not really! :happy: i doubt if the Queen (or any other royal) would even acknowledge a persons lack of a bow or curtsy and just smile and greet the person as normal. it might cause a stir among the other guests (with some approving and some disapproving) and possibly in the papers too depending on who's not doing it.
if a Prime Minister of the UK or one of the Commonwealths didnt bow or curtsy to the Queen i can see it as offending the Queen but in most cases i doubt if it truely hurts her. and if it does she doesnt show it.
i'm importing this question from another thread!
Quote from: helloeveyone on August 17, 2007, 05:51:48 PMif William were to get marry, and by some freak accident his wife gets pregnant and then he dies, would his wife still be Queen of England?
Quote from: Windsor on August 18, 2007, 02:13:54 AM
No!
but she would act as the child's Regent until s/he comes of age (18) and becomes soverigne and then take on the title Queen Mother, right?
Quote from: Stix Chix on August 21, 2007, 01:19:20 AMbut she would act as the child's Regent until s/he comes of age (18) and becomes soverigne and then take on the title Queen Mother, right?
Not quite, a regent would most likely be a close family member within the Royal Family, Prince Harry for example.
I think it's rude not to curtsey to the Queen....but I wouldn't curtsey Charles, Camilla, Wills or Harry or anyone else. :mellow:
I guess a lot of people would bow and curtsey to the Queen. I however would not curtsey to the Queen or any of the RF, I just don't feel I need to do that and I would not feel it was rude, the RF don't expect all that now. And if they did too bad they would not get it from me.
Are you British? Those who aren't subjects of HM do not curtsey to the royals and they wouldn't expect one to do so.
Yes, I'm British, and I still would'nt curtsey, even if they did expect it. Years ago the Queen said curtseying and bowing is not expected. Some people still do it, but the RF are not fools a lot of people of my generation have moved on from that.
All right then.
Well I'm not British and I'd still curtsey to HM...
Yes but you're a subject. I think one would anyway. One might say I'd never do it, but in her presence, I think one's knees will bend on their own :teehee:
Bowing/curtseying to royalty comes naturally, it is something you do and that is it, only when you are absolutely determined not to do so (Mrs. Blair, an excellent example) is when you dont, otherwise as I said it comes naturally. :shrug:
I don't think curtseying comes naturally..it seems like an unnatural thing to do.
Quote from: Lila the Flirt on August 22, 2007, 04:14:14 AM
Yes but you're a subject. I think one would anyway. One might say I'd never do it, but in her presence, I think one's knees will bend on their own :teehee:
I wouldn't do it because I was a subject I'd do it out of respect for her. :happy:
It does come naturally when one meets HM, but I would refuse to do so with Charles or Camilla......to curtsey or bow is a sign of respect.
I couldn't imagine bowing to anyone other the Queen. The Queen I would probably get on my knees for, the other it would be a handshake, a small head bow, and/or a hug for Wills and Harry definitely :) :wub2:
I am not British, so I would not be required to bow, but I would not bow either. My respect would go to the history and what that history use to represent.
Would it look foolish/tacky if someone who's not a subject went ahead and curtseyed anyway out of respect? What would an American be expected to do in lieu of a curtsey, just wait for a handshake?
^non-subjects aren't expected to curtsy or bow....but they could if they wanted to just as the Queen's subjects don't have to curtsy or bow if they dont want to. it's up to viewers opinions if any of it comes across as foolish or tacky. :happy: but everyone is supposed to wait for the Queen to extend her hand first to shake.
and high-fives are frowned on. :high5: ;)
Quote from: Stix Chix on October 03, 2007, 12:56:48 AM
and high-fives are frowned on. :high5: ;)
:laugh: I would love to see her reaction on that!
And yes, one waits until HM extends her hand
When a woman curtsies doesn't she have to go so close to the floor that her knees nearly touch it?
It depends on the situation. When getting knighted even men have to kneel down - except for Peter Ustinov who said: Your Majesty, I can kneel down, that`s not the problem. The problem is that I`m not sure whether I can get up again :happy:
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Quote from: Savanna on December 08, 2007, 02:23:04 PM
It depends on the situation. When getting knighted even men have to kneel down - except for Peter Ustinov who said: Your Majesty, I can kneel down, that`s not the problem. The problem is that I`m not sure whether I can get up again :happy:
Peter Ustinov, loved that man, so much talent, his one man stage shows were not to be missed, his books are hilarious. He did so much for UNICEF. An absolute sweetheart of a man.
Quote from: Scarlet Flowers on December 08, 2007, 07:41:29 AM
When a woman curtsies doesn't she have to go so close to the floor that her knees nearly touch it?
I never have, a little bob at the knees is usually just fine. :)
Quote from: heather on December 08, 2007, 07:26:05 PM
Peter Ustinov, loved that man, so much talent, his one man stage shows were not to be missed, his books are hilarious. He did so much for UNICEF. An absolute sweetheart of a man.
He was fascinating, I could have listened to him for hours. At least
one Oldie who didn`t dwell on the World Wars. He was fun to listen to.
Quote from: heather on December 08, 2007, 07:26:05 PM
I never have, a little bob at the knees is usually just fine. :)
I agree with heather. In the olden times, probably but these days, no :D
Are there any more Royals or Nobility on Facebbok ? X
I'm sure they're on there, but imagine many of them probably have very private profiles and don't join any networks.
Yes. Their names are usually the same, or a version of it. The family names are usually the ones they change. And they are hidden anyway so no sense wasting hours searching for them.. unless you have FB magic :Royal:
Quote from: Stix Chix on January 12, 2007, 03:51:29 AM
yes! :happytears: Keeper of the Stool. a very prestigious role actually.....but i think i'd rather b Petter of the Corgi. :D
Hippie's answer to this was great! but just to add on with a more modern take on it, these days if she doesnt have a "past" then she dosent have to worry about old boyfriends selling love stories (and even photos) to the press like happened to Sophie.
:crazylaugh: :crazylaugh: Now we all know what Fawcetts official role is in Charles life. KEEPER OF THE STOOL AND SPECIMAN BOTTLE.
The modern take on the virgin story is the one that was given when Charles was dating and one of his girlfriends was found out to have lived with a man who sold a story and I think another that had posed nude.
I remember reading this and was curious if anyone can verify it. Apparently when King Edward the VIII was thinking about abdicating Wallis Simpson reportedly informed him she would rather have him serve his country than abdicate for her. Is that true?
Wallis Simpson was in love with Edward V111, as long as he was King. She did not want him to abdicate..
I would certainly bow to our present Queen , but no one else!!! Certainly, after she passes ( long may she reign!), the next in her position ,won't get a wave, nor would I stand in a line to get a glimpse of him and her... or anyone for that matter... Well maybe The Princess Royal... She has earned the respect of the people, for her continuous hard work on behalf of the RF.... :)
King James III of Scotland married Princess Margaret of Denmark in 1469. Denmark pledged some islands to Scotland in place of Margaret's dowry. What were the islands?
The Shetland Islands
From Wikipedia-In the 14th century, Orkney and Shetland remained a Norwegian possession, but Scottish influence was growing. Jon Haraldsson, who was murdered in Thurso in 1231, was the last of an unbroken line of Norse jarls,[59] and thereafter the earls were Scots noblemen of the houses of Angus and St Clair.[60] On the death of Haakon VI in 1380,[61] Norway formed a political union with Denmark, after which the interest of the royal house in the islands declined.[54] In 1469, Shetland was pledged by Christian I, in his capacity as King of Norway, as security against the payment of the dowry of his daughter Margaret, betrothed to James III of Scotland. As the money was never paid, the connection with the Crown of Scotland became permanent.[Note 7] In 1470, William Sinclair, 1st Earl of Caithness ceded his title to James III, and the following year the Northern Isles were directly annexed to the Crown of Scotland,[64] an action confirmed by the Parliament of Scotland in 1472.[65] Nonetheless, Shetland's connection with Norway has proved to be enduring.[Note 8]
Did Queen Marie Antoinette and King Louis XVI of France ever make a visit to Austria?
In 1816 at the time of the marriage of Princess Charlotte of Wales to Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg, it was announced that the groom was to be created Duke of Kendal. However, this never happened. Why did Prince Leopold not become Duke of Kendal?