Breaking news on channel 4!!! He has left Afghanistan and showing snippets of interviews. He looks so good and he showing how to pee in an apache!! he is so cute!!!
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Prince Harry reveals life on the front line in Afghanistan and says Prince William is jealous of his tour of duty | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265826/Prince-Harry-reveals-life-line-Afghanistan-says-Prince-William-jealous-tour-duty.html)
I just heard the good news that Harry's returning home. I haven't read the entire Daily Mail piece but I will. I'm watching BBC News right now waiting to see the report. I'm happy he's safe.
Thanks for the link, v _voom. :)
Telegraph Prince Harry returns from Afghanistan as he reveals he killed Taliban insurgents
Prince Harry confirms he killed Taliban as he returns from Afghanistan saying: 'Take a life to save a life' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9815438/Prince-Harry-confirms-he-killed-Taliban-as-he-returns-from-Afghanistan-saying-Take-a-life-to-save-a-life.html)
BBC Prince Harry interviews: Key extracts
BBC News - Prince Harry interviews: Key extracts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21127258)
Guardian Prince Harry: I've killed in Afghanistan. But Dad wants me to act like a prince
Prince Harry: I've killed in Afghanistan. But Dad wants me to act like a prince | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/21/prince-harry-afghanistan)
Sky Prince Harry: I Killed Taliban In Afghanistan
Prince Harry: I Killed Taliban In Afghanistan (http://news.sky.com/story/1040999/prince-harry-i-killed-taliban-in-afghanistan)
Did anyone else get the chance to watch BBC 's report? Harry looks very good. He also sounds very more mature in my opinion. It was a good interview overall.
BBC Video Coverage
Prince Harry says 'it's easy to forget who I am' in the army
BBC News - Prince Harry says 'it's easy to forget who I am' in the army (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21123068)
Prince Harry explains the controls of his Apache helicopter
BBC News - Prince Harry explains the controls of his Apache helicopter (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21123064)
'I let myself down, I let my family down', Prince Harry admits
BBC News - 'I let myself down, I let my family down', Prince Harry admits (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21123065)
Prince Harry gives a tour of his living quarters in Afghanistan
BBC News - Prince Harry gives a tour of his living quarters in Afghanistan (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21123067)
]hes back hes back !!!!!!!!! well hes not back but we got pictures and i think he looks pretty good for someone stuck in afghanisthan for 4 months no really i half expected him to look like mountain man with a ginger beard :D. :happy20: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17: :happy17:
He is back!!! :happy17: :happy17: :partaay: Great interview but he doesn't seem one bit sorry about Vegas :teehee: Oh Hazza...I actually like his "Charlie Sheen" approach to the bad press that comes his way it WORKS PR wise people LOVE IT!!!
Prince Harry interview: talking Afghanistan, Las Vegas and getting a girlfriend - helloonline.com (http://www.helloonline.com/royalty/2013012110824/prince-harry-afghanistan-interview/)
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QuoteThe exceptional interview of Prince Harry on his return from Afghanistan
La excepcional entrevista del príncipe Harry a su regreso de Afganistán (http://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_inglesa/2013012162922/harry-inglaterra-afganistan/)
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I bet that he can't wait to finally get back home and see his family and friends again. :nod:
Prince Harry Vegas: What Prince Charles tells his son and the story behind those photos | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265931/Prince-Harry-Vegas-What-Prince-Charles-tells-son-story-photos.html)
Prince Harry and Prince William: Sibling rivalry between the royal brothers revealed | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266017/Prince-Harry-Prince-William-Sibling-rivalry-royal-brothers-revealed.html)
Prince Harry Camp Bastion: 'I'm not academic but I thrash the guys at Fifa' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265955/Prince-Harry-Camp-Bastion-Im-academic-I-thrash-guys-Fifa.html)
Just finished watching a special report on BBC News and another interesting point I noticed was the interviewer asked if he was 100% single and Harry's reply was 'Look, I'm just out here doing my job'.
On previous occasion, he stated that he was 100% single so I'm actually starting to believe about him and Cressida. I guess we'll know for sure in the coming days.
Not necessarily, he may just want to try and keep the focus on work and not his private life.
^ If there is no private life (as in he is single) what is there to hide? I single person says they are single...
I agree. The way he said it.. and I believe in the Cressida's rumour.. They said it all the time about her!
Thank God Harry is almost home and safe. Bet HM is grinning from ear to ear. :thumbsup: :abs:
Interesting interview. Revealing things said, without actually saying it. The print sounded like a undereducated spoiled kid. The video interview revealed a more mature Harry. A nice, warm Harry. Someone who has grown (thank god). And if it can be possible........ someone absolutely more handsome than in his youth. He went a spoiled rich kid and returns a man!! Hoo Rah Army Air!
Now hopefully, no nasty wild Cyprus photos leaked...... but i hope he enjoys a good piss up.
He looks very thin...i dont now how it works but me thinks all this sensasionalism about his stay in afeganistan and his retunr is ridiculous and brings nothing good to him or to anyone honetslly...
As usual things that should be kept secret are out there for all to see...i totally disaprove it...the final part where he runs seems totally rehearsed i dont iknow if that was the main point to make it but thats what it looked like to me... :lol: :lol: :lol:
I do believe in the rumours about cressida...my doubst is if something still exists..i honetslly hope not...hes not even officially linked and im quite tired of her already...so imagine if they start to date for real...bad me think anyway
i dont think harry ever said anyhting to meid aofr sure...when he said he was a 100% single i think he was dating someone honetslly..and then he was out and about with millions of girls...so now he dont say anyhting it means hes serious about someone..maybe he is..maybne not..time will tell..
Whathever happen hope hes back soon
And i honetslly dont think is a good moment for him to be with someone..i think he should be alone for a while and use all the knowledge he conquered so far...grow up as a peron and mature and becomes better if someone comes greta if dont honetslly enjoy his time by himself coz being alone sometimes is the best thing to grow up and become better...
I think this obssession on finding harry a gf quite tiring and bad...i dont think whoever he dates now when he retunrs will last...he dont seem ready to settle down yet...so it would be a waste of time for both but hey he sure wqill have fun with someone..serious or not..thats a fact!!!
Thanks everybody for all the links. :thanks:
He definitely looks different, even a little bit older. His face changed. I'm glad he is coming back. :clap:
Thanks for all the links! He does look well and sounds more mature. I hope he gets some good private r&r!
Prince Harry on Afghan mission: 'Take a life to save a life' - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/21/world/asia/prince-harry-afghanistan-foster/index.html?hpt=hp_c3)
PH is just such a nice guy who speaks his mind. Nothing wrong with that. I saw so much Diana when I looked at his face and his facial expressions. Lovely really. :love2:
QuotePrince Harry: I 'hated' being at Camp Bastion and would rather have been on foot patrols (Video)
Prince Harry said he “hated” being based at Camp Bastion and would rather have been out on foot patrols than flying an Apache helicopter.
He complained of other soldiers “gawping” at him when he went for meals, though he accepted his comments made him sound “spoilt”.
The 28-year-old made no attempt to disguise his love-hate relationship with his life at Camp Bastion during his 20-week tour of Afghanistan as an Apache helicopter gunner.
In an interview which can only now be published because he has left Helmand Province, he said he would rather have been on patrol as a foot soldier, as he was during his last tour in 2007-08, than flying an Apache.
Prince Harry: I 'hated' being at Camp Bastion and would rather have been on foot patrols - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9816001/Prince-Harry-I-hated-being-at-Camp-Bastion-and-would-rather-have-been-on-foot-patrols.html)
Quote"I'm thrilled": Prince Harry "can't wait to be an uncle" after hearing royal baby news in Afghanistan
Delighted Prince Harry "can't wait to be an uncle" and said it's "about time" the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge had a baby.
But the 28-year-old says he feels no pressure to settle down like his older brother.
The Apache helicopter co-pilot was serving in Afghanistan when the news broke and he revealed he called home to congratulate William and Kate.
"Obviously I'm thrilled for both of them," he said in Helmand Province about ten days after St James's Palace announced that Kate was pregnant.
"It's about time," he joked. "I can't wait to be an uncle."
Kate Middleton pregnant: Prince Harry can't wait to be an uncle - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-middleton-pregnant-prince-harry-1548475)
Cindy
I am so glad to hear that Harry is returning safely! I haven't had a chance to watch any of the interviews yet, but I will comment later when I do!
BBC News - Prince Harry's time as 'warrior prince' in Helmand (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21128906)
I dislike the title of this article, because it very poorly paraphrases what he actually said, but it is what it is... Prince Harry: I've killed in Afghanistan. But Dad wants me to act like a prince (http://m.guardiannews.com/uk/2013/jan/21/prince-harry-afghanistan)
I've watched most of the videos (maybe all?). He speaks very fast ... maybe he was trying to get rid of the interviewer faster. :P
Cindy
@ Jenee Is the person who wrote that really a journalist? :ugh: They should hand their diploma immediately !!!
QuotePrince Harry admits that Taliban insurgents killed during his last mission in Afghanistan
El príncipe Harry confiesa que mató a insurgentes talibanes durante su &uacu | Realeza | Noticias hola.com (http://www.hola.com/noticias-de-actualidad/22-01-2013/97298/casasreales/)
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:paparazzi: :paparazzi: lol i love how after 4 months the paps went crazy and DM made 5-6 articles on the same day about him haha miss him huh :hehe:
Why is it such a big deal that he has killed? That is obviously his job, to protect the team. He'll kill if he has to. That's the whole purpose of flying an Apache.
QuotePrince Harry: First confession scandal Vegas, disappointment and anger
Prince Harry : Première confession sur le scandale de Vegas, déception et colère (http://www.purepeople.com/article/prince-harry-premiere-confession-sur-le-scandale-de-vegas-deception-et-colere_a114045/1)
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His comments about killing the Taliban in Afghanistan makes me nervous. If I were the Taliban and reading the comments I'd feel taunted. I'm surprised that the military or Department of Defense hasn't asked him to limit what he says....
Glad he's back but really really nervous about him being targeted by terrorists.....
QuotePrince Harry explains why I threw clothes
Billed-Bladet - Prins Harry forklarer: Derfor smed jeg tøjet (http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige/ArticleFolder/2013/1/derfor%20smed%20prins%20harry%20tojet.aspx)
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Go Ugly Early! The motto behind Prince Harry's Army squadron (and the cheeky nod to nightclub naughtiness) | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266320/Go-Ugly-Early-The-motto-Prince-Harrys-Army-squadron-cheeky-nod-nightclub-naughtiness.html)
Prince Harry shows he is 'one of the guys' and not afraid to help out with mundane chores | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266314/Prince-Harry-shows-guys-afraid-help-mundane-chores.html)
Prince Harry in action (http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/bestoftv/2013/01/21/pkg-foster-afghanistan-prince-harry-in-action.cnn)
Prince Harry hates media (http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/bestoftv/2013/01/21/pkg-foster-afghanistan-prince-harry-hates-media.cnn)
Quote from: Eri on January 22, 2013, 01:27:51 PM
@ Jenee Is the person who wrote that really a journalist? :ugh: They should hand their diploma immediately !!!
Where you talking about The Guardian article? Did you read it? The title sucks, but the article itself is well informed and well written, and it has some nice harryisms :happy: I am not sure if the journalist who writes the article has any say over the title that gets published on the Web :shrug:
I love his no holds barer interviews I don't get why he should act like he hasn't done his JOB as a SOLDIER killing THE ENEMY!!! :notamused:
Harry's time in Afghanistan looks well on him. He looks leaner and fitter for it. :blowkiss:
It will be lovely to have him home. We wait to see what's next for him, with baited breath ... One thing's for sure, the press will never leave him alone when it comes to girlfriends. My bet is that it won't be long before the speculation starts again!
Way to go Prince Harry! He is an asset to Great Britain and to his family. He has served his country and his Queen with honor and distinction. Welcome home Harry!
Quote from: Eri on January 22, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
I love his no holds barer interviews I don't get why he should act like he hasn't done his JOB as a SOLDIER killing THE ENEMY!!! :notamused:
I agree. Harry's honesty and refusal to play the game is refreshing and admirable.
QuotePrince Harry in Afghanistan: immersion in the daily deal with Taliban
Prince Harry en Afghanistan : En immersion dans son quotidien face aux talibans (http://www.purepeople.com/article/prince-harry-en-afghanistan-en-immersion-dans-son-quotidien-face-aux-talibans_a114026/1)
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How Prince Harry's double life as Army officer and Royal continues to cause him turmoil | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266169/How-Prince-Harrys-double-life-Army-officer-Royal-continues-cause-turmoil.html)
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Taliban leaders label Prince Harry a 'coward' for comparing Afghan conflict with computer games | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266382/Taliban-leaders-label-Prince-Harry-coward-comparing-Afghan-conflict-games.html)
^ Roll eyes at the British press ...giving a platform to TERRORISTS to throw insults at Harry and as an extend to all the men with him they should be ashamed!!! :fuming: :fuming: :fuming: :fuming: They might not like Harry but at least respect the fact that he is out there fighting for his Country and as an extend for the safety of those looser "journalists" that give TERRORISTS a platform to bash him :ugh:.
Quote from: DaFluffs on January 22, 2013, 03:06:42 PM
His comments about killing the Taliban in Afghanistan makes me nervous. If I were the Taliban and reading the comments I'd feel taunted. I'm surprised that the military or Department of Defense hasn't asked him to limit what he says....
Glad he's back but really really nervous about him being targeted by terrorists.....
I think if he was going to be targeted it would have happened when it was first announced that Harry was going to Afghanistan. It would be simpler for him to be attacked there than in the UK.
And really...did anyone think he wasn't going to kill anyone? :doh: That's kind of the point of going, after all.
Nor do I see why anyone should care if the Taliban bash him; who was it who said a man should be judged not by his friends but by the enemies he makes? So let them bash away, (nobody cares what they think anyway) and he can continue to hold his head up.
My gosh, I do admire Harry. I just watched the interview (Prince Harry's candid interview from Afghanistan | Royal Insight (http://www.royalinsight.net/node/465)) and it was really great. He's just so honest... he clearly knows who he is and what he wants out of life. You do get the impression though, that he doesn't feel that being a royal is worthwhile. He mentions more than once that he is glad that he's there to do his job (and he emphases "A JOB") which makes me think that he doesn't see his royal duties as a job, or a job worth doing. It makes me wonder if he will be taking a bigger role with Sentabale when he is finished (retired, I assume) from the military. Since that is certainly worth doing (far more so than ribbon cutting and shaking hands). I also get the feeling that he'll go the route of Princess Anne and request that he kids not be titled. With William and Harry seemingly such reluctant royals, I really do wonder about the future of the monarchy. It may be that Republic has some allies on the inside!
BBC Photo Gallery: BBC News - In pictures: Prince Harry in Afghanistan (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21134759)
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(A number of people from the press seem to think this. Anyone agrees?) Prince Harry must muzzle himself - Telegraph... Prince Harry must muzzle himself - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9818680/Prince-Harry-must-muzzle-himself.html) ...
QuotePrince Harry Must Muzzle Himself
Prince Harry's recent interview in Afghanistan's Helmand Province shows he has to learn to guard his tongue, to speak more like royalty and less like an Army officer
''Grief is the price we pay for love," the Queen said in her message to New Yorkers after the 9/11 attacks. Next time she chats to her grandson, she might add: "Discretion is the price we pay for privilege."
Never in her 86 years has the Queen been a fraction as indiscreet as Prince Harry was in his interview to mark the end of his tour of duty in Helmand Province this week.
Much of his charm comes from his open, laddish approach to life – it was striking that, after his exploits in Las Vegas last year, hundreds of soldiers rushed to support him, emulating his naked pose. And he himself admits in the interview that he isn't the brightest soldier, dreading his written military tests just as he hated school exams.
But this time, in his cavalier approach to killing the enemy, the take-me-as-you-find-me attitude has let him down. "Take a life to save a life," he said, before making an unfortunate comparison between his skill as an Apache helicopter gunner and his talent for computer games: "It's a joy for me because I'm one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think that I'm probably quite useful.
Prince Harry must muzzle himself - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9818680/Prince-Harry-must-muzzle-himself.html)
Cindy
This "cavalier approach to killing the enemy" can be a defense mechanism for a soldier who has been the target of hostile fire. It often is a matter of kill or be killed, especially for helicopter crews who are critically vulnerable to the enemy. Yes, the Apache is armored and designed to take fire, etc. etc., but anything that flies can be shot down. Besides, Harry is in Afghanistan as a soldier not as a royal.
:goodpost: Mike.
As I said, when you see the print, it comes off poor. But when you hear him speak and verbalize, you see the product. A maturing proud soldier. If the "powers that be" were concerned about what he might say, there would have been NO interview.
What better advert for the forces?? "THE number ONE playboy in the world.... a PRINCE'.
Keep on growing Harry. You did Gran proud. WHOO RAH. :RAFWilliam: :mil5: :mil1:
Happy Harry is safely on his way home!
I disagree with the telegraph article :notamused:
See attached article:
Fresh security fears for Harry after his 'I have killed' interview: Police may upgrade his protection as senior officers express surprise at his (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266382/Fresh-security-fears-Harry-I-killed-interview-Police-upgrade-protection-senior-officers-express-surprise-comments.html)
I told you so. Harry you are such an idiot....
Well, what was he supposed to say when asked that question? He went over there in a war zone as a soldier who flew an Apache aircraft. Of course he killed people. It's what they do. If he had said no, he'd instantly be branded a liar.
^ But didn't you know Harry CAN'T win!!! Especially with the British RAGS ...
Yes, finally, he has left Afghanistan! :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20: :happy20:
Quote from: Eri on January 23, 2013, 09:04:19 AM
^ But didn't you know Harry CAN'T win!!! Especially with the British RAGS ...
no famous person wins according to me harry wins more than anyone else in the rf he always bring pr gold lol Prince Harry: Don't blame Capt Wales for being flippant about killing - it's the way we soldiers cope with death | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266767/Prince-Harry-Dont-blame-Capt-Wales-flippant-killing--way-soldiers-cope-death.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mailonline&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=socialnet-twitter-mailonline)
Quoteis no surprise that the terrible reality and absolute finality is cloaked in euphemisms. It is a psychological necessity. It protects the soldiers — allows them to get on with the job.
Nor is it a new phenomenon. The language changes, but the meaning is the same. In World War I, dead soldiers were said to have 'bought the farm', or simply 'bought it'. A serious life-changing wound was a 'Blighty one', meaning a trip home to the UK.
In World War II, meanwhile, Russian soldiers would warn sentries heading out into No-man's Land to be particularly careful where Nazi snipers were known to lurk with a cautionary: 'Stick your head up there and no more dinners.
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This is absolutely ridiculous. IT is OBVIOUS that Harry has killed. So the terrorists needed him to confirm it so they can attack him? PLEASE. They are trying to make Harry look stupid and careless. They had to get something negative out of whatever he said.
Search - Getty Images : AFG: Prince Harry In Afghanistan (http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=159961088&EditorialProduct=Royalty)
QuoteCaptain Wales? He's just one of the lads, say Harry's crew
Prince Harry behaves just like "one of the guys" when he is on military duties, his comrades said today.
They praised the 28-year-old for his easy-going nature and willingness to set aside his royal background as he prepared for his return to the UK tomorrow after 20 weeks in Afghanistan.
James John, 27, a fellow Apache helicopter pilot who lives in Reading, said Harry, known as Captain Wales, enjoyed joining in with the banter of 662 Squadron, 3 Regiment Army Air Corps. "That's the way he likes to be treated when he's in work, essentially," he said.
Captain Wales? He's just one of the lads, say Harry's crew - UK - News - London Evening Standard (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/captain-wales-hes-just-one-of-the-lads-say-harrys-crew-8461733.html)
Cindy
The Sun is STANDING UP for Harry too hell must be frezzing over!!! :happy17:
Harry is a coward..say child-maiming Taliban cowards who execute women, gas schools & hide bombs by roads | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/4758367/Harry-is-a-cowardsay-child-maiming-Taliban-cowards-who-execute-women-gas-schools-hide-bombs-by-roads.html)
Prince Harry will arrive back at RAF Brize Norton in the UK this afternoon after his tour of duty in Afghanistan. Harry is not expected to be met by members of his family when he arrives at Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, royal sources say. Prince Harry is expected to travel on to his base in Suffolk with the rest of his unit after landing and giving an interview.
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Richard Palmer @RoyalReporter (via the-queen-and-her-corgis)
see they give credit where it is due ........... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Lothwen on January 23, 2013, 06:27:40 AM
Well, what was he supposed to say when asked that question? He went over there in a war zone as a soldier who flew an Apache aircraft. Of course he killed people. It's what they do. If he had said no, he'd instantly be branded a liar.
I'm not questioning the killing aspect. Yes, its what they do.
I'm questioning
talking about it
in the press. In my mind he's coming awfully close to bragging about it. That's antagonizing the enemy. OTHER soldiers in his unit can do so all they like but they aren't being sought out by the world wide media because of Who They Are. Harry can't/shouldn't.
He should have kept his wits about him even in these interviews. He has had a lifetime of training on all aspects of how the media treats him. Including fielding questions he shouldn't/wouldn't/can't answer. In this same interview he fielded the questions about his love life by sidestepping them. So when he was suddenly asked 'did you kill people' in this
very same interview he didn't have the skills to sidestep this question too???
[Sigh] I'm glad he's back. I just hate it when I see aspects of Harry that I do not like as much. The aspect I'm referring to here is that sometimes he behaves like an idiot (in no funny or amusing way) and really lacks common sense..... Vegas we all can laugh off. I'm not finding any of Harry's comments about killing amusing, funny or necessary. They are coming across as foolish, dangerous, taunting and bragging.
Sorry Harry - other soldiers in your unit can brag but you absolutely cannot. Sorry you were born a prince but there it is. You can't.
Well. One thing is certain he couldn't do a black ops. He lacks discretion. Everything is so open/verbal to him. He sided step the single question, why not this one? Need a Besides, It's war so being ask that question was pointless. Too much Army? Wtf? All this time in the military and he still comes across as immature. :Lothwen:
I think asking him the question in the first place is stupid.
Prince Harry is back on British soil!!! :happy15: :clap:
Prince Harry has arrived back in the UK after a four month tour in Afghanistan (http://twitter.yfrog.com/0apxotj)
In the interview that I watched, he only said "we've all done our share of shooting"
Can someone point me to the video with this "I have killed people" quote? Or is it just tabloid sensationalism that no one bothered to verify?
BBC News - Prince Harry 'longs for family time' on Afghanistan return (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21156374)
he is not discrete he should try its not good he is tooooooooooo open and trusting
QuoteAsked about the pregnancy of his sister-in-law, the Duchess of Cambridge, he told journalists: "I'm longing to see my brother and sister-in-law, as with any of the soldiers who've just come off the plane after four-and-half months away.
"everything seems to be going the right direction - it's very different from when I was last out there"
End Quote
Prince Harry on Afghanistan
"I really am longing to catch up with people behind closed doors - you guys aren't invited."
QuotePrince Harry 'Longs for Family Time' on Afghanistan Return
Prince Harry says he is "longing" to spend some time with his family after arriving back in Britain following his four-month deployment in Afghanistan.
He said he had enjoyed "blue sky" and "a bit of comedy" during a period of "decompression" at a base in Cyprus.
Speaking at RAF Brize Norton, in Oxfordshire, he said he was hoping to "take on more royal stuff" in 2013.
Earlier this week he said he had shot at Taliban insurgents while an Apache helicopter co-pilot gunner.
BBC News - Prince Harry 'longs for family time' on Afghanistan return (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21156374)
Cindy
Quote from: Jenee on January 23, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
In the interview that I watched, he only said "we've all done our share of shooting"
Can someone point me to the video with this "I have killed people" quote? Or is it just tabloid sensationalism that no one bothered to verify?
I think the I have kipped people quote is just the press paraphrasing... I haven't heard him say that, he just said Take a life, to save a life. So yeah, he meant he has shot people to save his own men, which is just his job.
^ Rags want to sell copies and to do so they create fake drama and blow everything out of proportion :orchid: ...they did this to my other man MJ and they do it to Harry 24/7 since forever now it's only Harry seems to be able to take it better than MJ ...
Who's MJ
^ Michael Jackson ...anyways glad to hear Harry will concentrate on being a Royal at least for a while but I wonder if he is going to take off for a vacation after seeing his family ...just not with Tom <_<.
There's a tangent to this thread I'm going to jump on: I think the first mates he's gonna call to get together is going to be Skippy & Arthur Landon.... If I were Harry that's who I would call. Vegas/Necker be damned.....
Whom else is he gonna call to catch up on all the gossip going on in the UK?
(Harry - here's another tip - read the Royal Insight Forum..... :lol:)
Prince Harry Returns (Photos)
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Cindy
Haha I just pictured Harry catching up on gossip over tea. :teehee: "So, what's new lads?"
I don't think the "behind closed doors" comment meant anything other than "this is my private life and you (the press) are not invited."
Prince Harry lands in the UK after four months in Afghanistan - helloonline.com (http://www.helloonline.com/royalty/2013012410866/prince-harry-back-from-afghanistan/)
QuotePrince Harry Tones Down His Language About Killing Taliban As He lands Back in the UK (Video)
Prince Harry did his best to dampen down the controversy over his off-guard remarks about killing the Taliban by saying only that he had done "things that you would be expected to do" as a soldier during his tour of Afghanistan.
Asked to clarify whether he had indeed taken lives during his time in Helmand, he gave a far more diplomatic answer than before, referring to his role "supporting the Afghan people" and refusing to make any direct reference to killing.
His homecoming was overshadowed by the row over his candid language in interviews conducted in theatre, when he said he had to "take a life to save a life" and compared operating the Apache helicopter's weapons system to playing video games.
Prince Harry tones down his language about killing Taliban as he lands back in the UK - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9822209/Prince-Harry-tones-down-his-language-about-killing-Taliban-as-he-lands-back-in-the-UK.html)
Cindy
^ :no: :ugh:
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QuotePrince Harry arrives at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire after the completion of his 20 week tour of duty in Afghanistan
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The night Prince Harry came to blows over the lover he shared with his brother: Not that one, his namesake | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267353/The-night-Prince-Harry-came-blows-lover-shared-brother-Not-namesake.html)
Prince Harry arrives to RAF base in Oxfordshire after Afghanistan tour | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267122/Prince-Harry-arrives-RAF-base-Oxfordshire-Afghanistan-tour.html)
QuotePrince Harry has admitted he 'doesn't know what normal is anymore' after arriving back in the UK from his second tour of Afghanistan.
The Apache co-pilot gunner has been on post-deployment 'decompression' at a British military base in Akrotiri, Cyprus, since leaving Helmand province on Monday night.
Harry landed at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire on a regular personnel flight but did not travel on with his unit, 662 Squadron, 3 Regiment Army Air Corps, to their base in Wattisham, Suffolk.
The 28-year-old said a seven-year-old girl was shot down by insurgents on his final day on tour, adding: 'Normality is a very ambiguous thing.'
Quote from: Lothwen on January 24, 2013, 03:27:39 AM
I don't think the "behind closed doors" comment meant anything other than "this is my private life and you (the press) are not invited."
I agree with that interpretation of his comment :)
isnt this the truth i mean a lot of people especially me being his fan seem to say "oh the press hate him" the palace doesnt protect him enough and hes not heir thats why but what about all the stuff hes done ????n what about him taking responsiblity for his actions ???
http://prince-harry-love.tumblr.com/image/41375539449 -----------duh !!
anyway the fact that he focused on his job and did it is amazing hats off to harry being deployed and all deserves praise but his candid intervview did more harm than good and yet a lot of mags trashy tabloids suppported him so yeah if harry haas a playboy rebel rep. its his doing .
Did any family members greet him at the airbase?
Quote from: georgiana996 on January 24, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
isnt this the truth i mean a lot of people especially me being his fan seem to say "oh the press hate him" the palace doesnt protect him enough and hes not heir thats why but what about all the stuff hes done ????
exactly
Harry should. ... look more into the .... life of his uncle(andrew) :flower: And learn from mistakes.
Now ...he's beautiful man, a military ,a guy funny and authentic :Lothwen: ... And when his good appearance... 'decrease'?
Most of the top rated comments on the Daily Mail story have rightly pointed out that most soldiers don't get interviewed when they come back from war, and that the question shouldn't have been asked, and that soldiers will all deal with the trauma of war in their own way.
I don't think so.
I wonder will the papa will start stalking him? I will be happy to see a few photos TBH. :thumbsup:
I am SURE PH will get this little bit of black humour funny.!! Time to lighten up all the folks who found his comments in poor taste. Enjoy the smile.
Dramatic moment Prince Harry runs for an ice cream van during Afghanistan interview - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ivBpNGwvrpg)
Well the press DOES hate him :wellduh: it's sad they can't give him his due and instead of treating him like the hero he is risking his life to protect the freedom from terrorists of those "journalists" who complain about him killing TERRORISTS :loco:...they treat him like a criminal of course he complains the man can't win!!! He is treated like a criminal for doing HIS JOB and they act like he killed someone when he goes wild ON VACATION if I was Harry I would tell hem to kiss my Royal behind on DAILY basis!!! :lol:
:lol: I refuse o believe Harry is te victim he never was he gets away with more than any other family member can hrs no victim nor villain he's spoilt like the rest of them .
^ With what does he exactly get away with? They asked for his head for being naked in his suite while they practically gave Kate a Medal for being naked OUTSIDE where she could be photographed from THREE DIFFERENT ANGLES !!! Nobody asked she gave up her Title then but they did ask for Harry's :happycry:...and please had Willy killed any TERRORIST they would have crested a statue to WORSHIP him for it they would have rolled the red carpet for him when he got back home and they would have been on their knees WORSHIPING him but somehow Harry didn't get that...
Papers greet Prince Harry as a hero and overlook his jibes against them | Media | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2013/jan/22/prince-harry-national-newspapers)
This one was an article about all the other articles, which I thought was interesting. Would have liked more opinion and less rehashing though, Guardian!
Is Harry an old-fashioned warrior prince? | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/22/harry-old-fashioned-warrior-prince-afghanistan)
Wars like Afghanistan should never be a theatre for celebrity | Simon Jenkins | Comment is free | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/22/war-celebrity-prince-harry-pawn)
QuoteA prince appears to have killed an enemy in battle. When Prince Harry was asked on television whether "if called upon, you will fire, and presumably you have and will kill the enemy?" Prince Harry said: "Yeah, so lots of people have … everyone's fired a certain amount." Question and answer might seem ambiguous, but the tabloids went berserk. The remark was no more than a confirmation of what the co-pilot of an attack helicopter is required to do. But was it wise even to hint at killing?
One more: Prince Harry may be a captain, but he is no marvel | Editorial | Comment is free | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/22/prince-harry-afghanistan-editorial)
Oh, found another one ;). 'Some guys look at me as Prince Harry, not Captain Wales, which is frustrating' | UK news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/21/prince-harry-captain-wales?intcmp=239)
Well done to Prince Harry and all the other guys returning from their deployment. They have done a great job. :notworthy:
QuotePrince Harry returned from Afghanistan, joy and reactions to hot controversy
Prince Harry: Rentré d'Afghanistan, joie et réactions à chaud sur la controverse (http://www.purepeople.com/article/prince-harry-rentre-d-afghanistan-joie-et-reactions-a-chaud-sur-la-controverse_a114241/1)
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Wow, so now Harry is being criticized for talking his job as a soldier. It was a stupid question, what is the point of asking a soldier, in a war zone, whether they killed? Their operation is to kill the terrorists.
He did not cherish it. He stated it as a matter of fact.
You may be against war, but there are wars and it is the soldiers' duty to take out the terrorists. It is as simple as that.
He never said killing is similar to video games. He talked about the dexterity of his fingers and the little buttons on the control panel.
Harry gets away with anything. Yes of course. He has served 20 weeks in Afghanistan, mind you I wouldn't have survived living there one week. He hasn't officially been back yet, he is still in the military base decompressing, or something, so I've read. And yet he is already been criticized for his answers regarding his tour of duty.
Harry gets away with anything? Yes, right. The Sun printed Kate's nude pictures, not Harry's.
William is put down for every single achievement of his, while Harry's praised for moving his little finger. Wait, it is the opposite.
The only thing about Harry is, he owns his flaws and mistakes, does not try to use the Diana card or sue media. So as we all have faults, we like a prince who also is not perfect, who makes mistakes. So yes, the public tends to forgive him, not because of who he is, but how he has handled everything so far and how personable he is.
I am glad that he is safely back.
I've never been a soldier, I've never operated a military helicopter with guns to blow up the enemy. My job does not involve physically hurting people, neither does it involve saving people's lives. So I have no idea how it feels, what it is like. I cannot interpret his words in any way, I will not pretend I can empathize with him and what he's done and what he's gone through, because none of us can. Same is true for all other soldiers. We can only offer our support to them.
I think Harry gets away with everything when it comes to the people... The people supports him no matter what, and we kind of see that in this forum also, but he doesn't get away with anything when it comes to the press. William and Kate are the opposite, they always win with the media, but not so much with the general opinion of the people.
QuotePrince Harry: I missed William and Catherine
Billed-Bladet - Prins Harry: Jeg har savnet William og Catherine (http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige/ArticleFolder/2013/1/Prins%20Harry%20Jeg%20har%20savnet%20William%20og%20Kate.aspx)
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I don't know about William and Kate not winning with the population in general. They absolutely have detractors here at this forum, but I know of two other forums dedicated to royalty where they are very well liked and admired, and where Harry is seldom mentioned. Of course, I know of another forum where the Cambridges are disliked heartily. I would say that both Harry and the Cambridges have people who like them and people who don't. No one more so or less so than the other.
Cindy
^ What has he done that doesn't grant "forgiveness" ? :Lothwen: People are very forgiving towards public figures in general just look at Charlie Sheen and the fact Chris Brown can still win Grammy's and have number 1 Albums after the Rihanna thing...
So there you go, he gets away with things, you just admitted it. :wink: And that was my point.
^ I wasn't saying that <_<...I was saying that if Chris Brown gets a second chance Harry CAN get away with being naked IN HIS ROOM not OUTSIDE (like someone I know) IN HIS ROOM !!! People will LAUGH IT OFF like it's NORMAL because he did NOTHING wrong!!! As for the latest nonsense I blame the IDIOT asking him what was up in a WAR ZONE asking Harry if he killed the enemy in A WAR ZONE is like asking Alicia Keys if she sings when she is in the studio recording an Album <_< that was STUPID!!! Harry is British's rags FAVORITE PUNCHING BAG so of course they blew that OUT OF PROPORTION like always!!!
And I was replying to the posts saying that he can't get away with anything. He does, doesn't matter if it's huge or not.
^ But again what is there to "get away" with? A 27 years old going wild in Vegas is hardly shocking :orchid: and Harry is a HERO for killing TERRORISTS just saying...never forget that...
Eri, then why was it brought up that he doesn't get away with anything? I wasn't the one who said that in the first place? You've got me all confused now.
You know, just because a reporter asks a question, it doesn't have to be answered. "I'd rather not talk about that" or "I'd rather not answer that" is a good enough answer. Harry likes to think that he's just one of the guys, and in a way he is, but bottom-line, he's still a Royal ... and just like all the other Royals, he needs to remember that what he says and does reflects on his entire family who is known worldwide. And that for the most part, he's not just one of the guys. But it's water under the bridge now, most of the media has moved on as it usually does.
Cindy
@ chavita We were talking about the British rags not the man on the street...it's the British rags that have made him their favorite punching bag!!!
@ Where he was (in Afghanistan) he was one of the guys he watched their backs they did his or they died!!!
^^ That's true, and that's what I said: "in a way he is", I said. But bottom-line, he will never be able to truly be "one of the guys" because of who he is. Just like other Royals who cannot be "normal", though they'd like to think they are, but aren't because of who they are. :flower:
Cindy
^Yes but you will understand that for 4 months he was (mentally) in a Place where he was just Captain Wales not Prince Harry for the reasons listed above ...having said that I think it was a mistake agreeing to the interview because again (mentally) I think he wasn't in the right "state of mind" to grand an interview his life was in danger and he was still angry how he was treated by the British press for his Vacation In Vegas ...we saw proof of that when upon his return he gave a great interview...
Yes, of course I know where he's been for four months. And yes, of course he was angry at the media for publishing pictures of him nude ... just as others have been angry at having nude pictures published. Harry is the same as other Royals, and what applies to them, applies to him, as well. It's just that simple.
Cindy
I think whoever agreed to that interview is an IDIOT and whoever asked him what he was doing there is an even bigger IDIOT (like really?) the interview should have never happened just allow some pictures and send them away!!! I also think the British rags have missed their punching bag this past 4 months and were salivating and when he run his mouth they couldn't believe their luck...
Look, I love my Harry, but he never seems to be in the right state of mind does he? He admitted he was too much Army and not enough Prince in Vegas, and now he said too much during an interview. He needs to learn what to say or not say, and what to do and not to do because he is getting too old for this. The person interviewing them is always going to lead them into a trap to make them say too much or reveal something or make a mistake, they have to have their guard up and know exactly what to answer. When he makes the same mistakes over and over again, it just makes me wonder if he ever learns. :shrug:
I don't think that what he said about killing Talibans was such a big deal because that was obvious, that was his job during this four months. But his comments weren't well received. He just needs to learn, and apparently he did or I hope he did, when he gave a better interview once he landed in the UK.
He'll get better, I'm sure he'll be more careful with his words in the future.
It most be difficult to be all Prince like while serving in a war zone . Whatever he said was going to be twisted . Having seen the interviews several times , he is honest . Too honest but I think he is by nature that way . He spoke like the soldier he is during a deployment . He did not want to do the interviews . He says so . Why he just wanted to his duty and that one role . He had the sense to know to say no . The MOD wanted it and maybe the Firm . The headliners geared to create anything but the truth One says Harry says I killed Muslins . never said killed it interview or word Musilin The media is a disgrace . Reporters are hinting he did himself no favor with the press and could get rough for him.
when were they ever fair to him . I blame the Mod and the palace . They should had let him just do his job . Nothing up on the POW web yet but we had Kate 's snaps and Willie at work . Harry did his job a soldiers jib
Quote from: Mike on January 24, 2013, 08:00:11 PM
Did any family members greet him at the airbase?
When US troops return from Afghanistan, families are invited to the base where they land. I just assumed the British had the same customs. I guess not.
@ chavita He said nothing wrong it's just that the media twisted and blew out of proportion his every word .
Quote from: chavita on January 26, 2013, 12:58:47 AM
He admitted he was too much Army and not enough Prince in Vegas, and now he said too much during an interview. He needs to learn what to say or not say, and what to do and not to do because he is getting too old for this. The person interviewing them is always going to lead them into a trap to make them say too much or reveal something or make a mistake, they have to have their guard up and know exactly what to answer. When he makes the same mistakes over and over again, it just makes me wonder if he ever learns. :shrug:
Of course the remarks about killing didn't go down well because the war's unpopular. - and Harry IS indiscreet. He was also blamed for just talking about killing because it might inflame terrorists to try and take revenge on him. He could have said "I don't discuss the details of my war service"...
And of course the media want some "lively talk" from him, to fill up their papers, but he could keep his mouth zipped and stick to a few mild stories about jolly japes wiht his lads, or the new baby. He was foolish in Vegas..
It IS time he got a bit of horse sense and stopped making it so easy for the tabloids to write too much about him. But at heart he's a nice lad... just not the brightest.
^ So it is OK for him to kill TERRORISTS he just CAN'T talk about it ? <_<
The media ( I believe the Sun in Dec ) ran a story that Harry and his squad had killed Taliban chief. He comes home never says the word kill . Tries to say he has to protect his fellow soldiers and the media says he is not a Prince and spoke out of turn . The media will twist Harry 's words . They can not print Picture of Will ANd Kate ( they can not show any of their private life) so Harry has to be the one to be punished by media . He hates them and once again they have misquoted and twisted his words He just wants them to know he knows how they feel about him . How come they will not write that Kate ( and maybe Will just returned from holiday in ) they are protected Harry is not I hope he goes to Africa for the next 5 weeks
I agree with everything you said amabel.
Quote from: amabel on January 26, 2013, 11:31:48 AM
Quote from: chavita on January 26, 2013, 12:58:47 AM
He admitted he was too much Army and not enough Prince in Vegas, and now he said too much during an interview. He needs to learn what to say or not say, and what to do and not to do because he is getting too old for this. The person interviewing them is always going to lead them into a trap to make them say too much or reveal something or make a mistake, they have to have their guard up and know exactly what to answer. When he makes the same mistakes over and over again, it just makes me wonder if he ever learns. :shrug:
Of course the remarks about killing didn't go down well because the war's unpopular. - and Harry IS indiscreet. He was also blamed for just talking about killing because it might inflame terrorists to try and take revenge on him. He could have said "I don't discuss the details of my war service"...
And of course the media want some "lively talk" from him, to fill up their papers, but he could keep his mouth zipped and stick to a few mild stories about jolly japes wiht his lads, or the new baby. He was foolish in Vegas..
It IS time he got a bit of horse sense and stopped making it so easy for the tabloids to write too much about him. But at heart he's a nice lad... just not the brightest.
Thank you, that was exactly my point. Sometimes Harry makes it too easy for the media.
Eri, things don't always go the way we want, Harry should know by know that media loves doing this to him, so it's time he learns how to deal with it and give them less windows to mess with his words and his actions.
^ In this case he gave the NO "window" they just twisted and blew out of proportion what he said <_< the best option for him would have been to pose for some pictures and get it over with not give an interview because they would have done this to him no matter what!!! :orchid: They had missed their punching bag too much!!!
He is NOT a punching bag. Harry is pretty popular with the media and with any of the public who take an interest in the RF. He does these things to himself. He should not talk about the details of his deployment.. it is military information that should be kept quiet. And it is bound to aggravate the sort of people who don't like the military...
If he just kept the interview bland, they wouldnt have so many headlines out of his story.
Anyone who is interviewed by the media has to be careful what they say. Even if their words aren't twisted or taken out of context, even if what they say is reported 100% accurately, it's going to be in the news, either in print or on air. Harry is closing in on 30, it's time to start practicing a little discretion.
Cindy
Discretion? What did he say that is so mind blowing? :happycry:
It is not easy to be interviewed by seasoned journalists who know how to manipulate the subject, get answers they did not mean to say. People like politicians get prepped before interviews not to reveal much. Celebs have the interviewers sign contracts outlining which subjects are off topic, have their people stay in the room in case somebody asks a question they do not like.
I do not think that was the case with Harry. Harry probably had no instructions, training. Easy to say he should be mature not to reveal, but age has less to do with it than experience and prepping. He was still in the base. Probably felt awkward to sit down and do that, which his fellow soldiers were continuing their daily lives. He wants to be one of the boys, and here is the media coming and taking that away.
I doubt that was his decision. I agree, it was MOD or The Firm or both who made that deal. He just has to roll with it. Yet that does not mean he does not feel agitated. He is too honest to hide his true feelings especially when they are this strong.
I agree, I wish he did not complain about media intrusion this much. But I believe, if the interview had not been conducted in the base and was done afterwards, he would have been more relaxed about it. Also, goodness knows what W&K told him about media intrusion about the pregnancy or how the palace released the info. He is away from all this and is getting all the news from his family. So I am not going to criticize him for having a different, somewhat slanted perspective on reality.
Regarding his video game comments and killing. I don't think he sounded aloof or unconcerned or spoiled. He sounded clear and honest. The video game thing is taken way out of context. The killing, a word which I believe he did not even pronounce, is rephrased and taken out of context.
That is basically why William cannot ever go to a remotely controversial mission. He gets to be the hero anytime he does his duty, and as the future king, that is how it should be. Harry on the hand, has just come from serving in Afghanistan and look at the treatment he is getting.
The good thing is I've just read this story in by Amanda Platell "Harry's an officer but not much of a gentleman" and she sounds very bitter because Harry is so negative towards media, well, she is a member of the media. Yet most comments are supporting Harry. Good to see that despite putting words to his mouth and twisting the meaning of what he's said; the public is not swayed.
All this makes W&H even more wary of the media and dislike them even more.
Watching a video and then reading edited versions chosen for print, really exposes them as journalists or agenda-driven rags.
Quote from: amabel on January 26, 2013, 02:57:26 PM
He is NOT a punching bag. Harry is pretty popular with the media and with any of the public who take an interest in the RF. He does these things to himself. He should not talk about the details of his deployment.. it is military information that should be kept quiet. And it is bound to aggravate the sort of people who don't like the military...
If he just kept the interview bland, they wouldnt have so many headlines out of his story.
. Exactly what's all this self pity ESP in a time where there are so many people suffering die to several reasons if he cannot accept himself nobody will . He is not the victim that excuse is outdated and false so far the the media has bent backwards to make him seem victimised BS !!! As much a I love Harr my fab RF member he need to grow up sigh
You know what I don't get? How come he knew exactly what to say when asked about a girlfriend, but he said what he shouldn't have when asked about killing? He should have said the same thing, "Just doing my job here". Period. The press wouldn't get anything out of that.
He has been handling queries on girlfriends for a while,I suppose but he hasn't been interviewed just after active deployment before, and was unpractised as to what to say.
That's not even the point. The point is that he knows when the press seems to be getting too intrusive and he knows how to evade the question. Why didn't he do the same thing here? I think he was too excited about his last 4 months and felt proud about his job. That's why just replied without considering any consequences. :shrug:
QuotePrince Harry arrives home showing wounds of battlefield (Video)
http://www.examiner.com/article/prince-harry-arrives-home-showing-wounds-of-battlefield
@ chavitaWe have known what he would do in Afghanistan when he got back since 2009 what consequences? That Amanda Patel is writing nonsense about him? I suspect she would have done so anyways...
QuoteThe Telegraph Show Some Gratitude, Army Chiefs Tell Harry
Prince Harry has been accused of ingratitude and immaturity by senior military figures after an interview in Afghanistan in which he spoke of his life as a helicopter pilot.
Show some gratitude, Army chiefs tell Prince Harry - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9828684/Show-some-gratitude-Army-chiefs-tell-Prince-Harry.html)
As Harry's lawyer (lol) I gotta question every "journalists" who prints this hot mess:
"One senior officer, speaking to The Sunday Telegraph anonymously"
Yeah, but that one officer's comments made it into a respected newspaper.
Cindy
^ LOOOL Respected?
Yes, The Telegraph is not a tabloid.
Cindy
I read it. I don't always agree with it, but I find it a good paper and I'm in general agreement with it..
And the Telegraph is likely to be in touch with Senior army personell and the establsihemnt in general.. so if they feel Harry said too much, odds are that the Senior brass and the upper crust do feel he said too much.
Sunday issue is done by a different staff tough, so I am not sure if it is the same quality as the regular issue.
I agree with Eri, one anonymous source criticizing Harry. I am not saying they made up the source, my issue is with the source, put your name behind it if you have such strong opinions.
It is the MOD who has decided the interview would be conducted, when and where it would be conducted. They had the option to review the contents before airing. They had to option to draw limits to the questions, etc... They did not. So the upper echelon is probably over all happy with it. Of course not everyone will agree with things he said, you will always find dissenting voices. What I find interesting is how one anonymous voice becomes the voice of the military according to this paper; when a lot of military personnel have already expressed their support for Harry.
I feel Harry is being the scapegoat once again, because well his Harry after all, they always need the Bad Prince. And of course he openly voiced his disdain for the media during the interview and showed how the interview was not his choice.
I don't believe it !!! If anything because it was Military bosses who had the genius idea of him being interviewed <_< so if anything they should beat them self down!!! And sight let's continue the Harry bashing an totally ignore this interview!!!
Prince Harry Interview After His Return - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIzwJsuA0m8&list=LLE2Nk5GYy_VKL01f3c_-aOw)
Quote from: Eri on January 26, 2013, 11:55:38 PM
@ chavitaWe have known what he would do in Afghanistan when he got back since 2009 what consequences? That Amanda Patel is writing nonsense about him? I suspect she would have done so anyways...
I don't think you are even following what I said, so I suggest you read my posts again.
QuoteHelmand Harry reveals his secret desert fear - if I lose this bizarre board game to my mates, I'll have to be their brew bitch!
A picture of concentration, Prince Harry makes his move with extreme caution as he knows the consequences. But rather than co-ordinating a deadly strike from his attack helicopter, he is taking his turn in a fiercely competitive board game called Uckers.
The traditional game, which is rather like Ludo, is favoured by the military to while away downtime at Camp Bastion – and much is at stake.
Those who lose are consigned to a shift at the beck and call of bell-ringing comrades. As the third in line to the throne cheerfully put it: 'Whoever loses becomes the Brew Bitch, and then you have to make brews for everybody else.'
Harry and the three other pilots on his flight of two aircraft kick back, eat chocolate, tune in to the radio and swat at the irrepressible flies.
They are surrounded by reminders of the war they are fighting - their benches are propped up on empty ammunition boxes and the wire frames of Hesco defence barriers overhead is a camouflage net giving some much-needed shade. Empty shell cases make perfect ash-trays.
Helmand Harry reveals his secret desert fear - if I lose this bizarre board game to my mates, I'll have to be their brew bitch! | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268883/Helmand-Harry-reveals-secret-desert-fear--I-lose-bizarre-board-game-mates-Ill-brew-bitch.html)
Cindy
Did any Windsor family member greet Harry at his base when he returned to the UK? IIRC, Prince Charles greeted Andrew at Portsmouth when he returned from the Falklands conflict. If no one did greet Harry then shame on them. >(
^ No one met Harry when his unit landed because no other families were going to be allowed to meet their soldiers when they landed.
When families were permitted to meet the returning troops, did the family greet Harry?
No. He landed at RAF Brize Norton, did the interview and was at first thought by the media to be traveling on with his unit to Wattisham, but I read he didn't. He left from Norton on his own. I guess the families would have been at Wattisham.
I don't understand Charles not being there at first opportunity to welcome home his son from war. Of course, I don't think like a Windsor.
^ What is he 10? :lol: The first time he returned in 2008 he and William were there the pictures are everywhere:
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/news/080317/prince_harry320.jpg
http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2008/03/02/na_bw_Britain_Prince_Harry_t440.jpg?9e2a24ba44807f8f9b96aad7c4082bf6ded075dc
QuotePrince Harry serves with the British Army in Afghanistan
Helmand Province, Afghanistan - December 2012
WENN Photo Library - Search Results (http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?action=quicksearch&ppid=192747&version=caf)
The Daily Telegraph ADMITS they had a fit for basically nothing last week :
Prince Harry: Frontline Afghanistan, BBC Three, review - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-and-radio-reviews/9832619/Prince-Harry-Frontline-Afghanistan-BBC-Three-review.html)
Tonight we finally got to see the documentary that caused all the trouble and Prince Harry: Frontline Afghanistan (BBC Three) was disappointingly unsensational. It portrayed a likeable, down-to-earth young chap doing a decent job for Queen and country. It just so happens that the Queen happens to be his grandmother and the country is the one he's third in line to rule.
Basically they should be ASHAMED!!! :fuming:
I watched the BBC3 programme and I agree with the Telegraph article that it did seem stretched a bit to fill out the hour. Quite a bit of it I'd already seen on various news programmes and video clips round and abouts but I think it was well worth watching.
As usual, much has been made of what Harry said and how he should have said it (taking things out of context is a bad habit for the press, after all) but I think he was portrayed in this documentary as someone trying very hard to just get on with his job and being his usual open and perhaps, too honest self. :thumbsup:
Harry has some choices to make . He is honest and real and the media has distorted so much that he said in these recent interviews . They interviewed a soldier and he used many army expressions . One of the choices Is. will he live his life in the shadows like Will and Kate ( no sense of who they are no feeling of warmth ) or will he continue to be true to himself . I think he could be tired of it all and will disappear for about 4 to 5 weeks . He needs to think things over . He has a strong sense of duty but to be constantly raked over takes a toll no matter who you are
^ I think the British press are the ones who look very bad here...the Americans are giving him a lot of love and on Yahoo's main page the comments called out British rags ...today Italian news had a very interesting piece they basically said Will and Kate are boring and only Harry can make things interesting for The British press they went on to call out on the British press for the big deal that was made about Harry attending parties his friends organized and how foolish the British rags are being when it comes to Harry the piece ended with GOD SAVE HARRY!!! It was very cute :teehee:
Anyway rags and some bloggers seems to have realized how foolish they were being and are making it up to Harry :vday2:
TV REVIEW: Prince Harry Up Close And 'Ordinary' In BBC3 Documentary On Afghanistan Frontline (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/29/tv-review-prince-harry-frontline-afghanistan_n_2572648.html)
It's royal prince meets Jilly Cooper polo hero meets Top Gun. Prince Harry's father may wish him to behave "more like a royal" but he'd be a fool to follow that advice. Not when there's a myth in the making... :vday2:
QuotePrince Harry Says Call to Action 'Brings Taste of Blood'
Prince Harry has risked fresh criticism over his remarks about killing the Taliban after it emerged he had described having "the taste of blood in your mouth" as he scrambled to his Apache helicopter.
The 28–year–old also said he spent his time in Afghanistan wishing for the phone to ring so he could be "in amongst it".
Last week the Prince was accused of handing a propaganda coup to the Taliban after he talked candidly about killing insurgents and taking them "out of the game".
Prince Harry says call to action 'brings taste of blood' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9833296/Prince-Harry-says-call-to-action-brings-taste-of-blood.html)
Cindy
Quote from: Eri on January 29, 2013, 07:36:01 AM
^ What is he 10? :lol: The first time he returned in 2008 he and William were there the pictures are everywhere:
That was 2008 this is now. Welcoming a family member home from war is no laughing matter, Eri. He could have come home in a body bag. If it was your son what would you do?
That expression "taste of blood in my mouth" is an army expression to explain the adrenaline rush soldiers get . People who have anxiety or panic attacks also describe having the dry taste of blood in their mouths . It did not mean he was out for blood but describes a soldier 's reaction to a call that places them in danger . I am not going to pick apart his words , since he was a soldier in a war zone speaking about what they feel or how a body reacts in that situation .,He was talking as a soldier in a war zone not as a Prince. Sometimes a person can only be just that one role at a time
Double post auto-merged: January 30, 2013, 02:45:59 AM
Notice that the story would not include that description . It needs the headline not the explanation or reason he would use those words
A spokesman for the Prince said he was "describing how he copes with the adrenalin of a call–out, so it's important to understand the context in which he was speaking". This is getting ridiculous at this point <_<.
Double post auto-merged: January 30, 2013, 10:59:11 AM
Prince Harry's BBC Three Afghanistan show attracts 900,000 - TV News - Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a454651/prince-harrys-bbc-three-afghanistan-show-attracts-900000.html)
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Prince Harry's BBC Three Afghanistan documentary was the most-watched multichannel offering last night (January 28).
One-off show Frontline Afghanistan, airing in the 9pm hour, averaged a decent 883,000 (3.4%).
:windsor1:
Read more: Prince Harry's BBC Three Afghanistan show attracts 900,000 - TV News - Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a454651/prince-harrys-bbc-three-afghanistan-show-attracts-900000.html#ixzz2JSIZPFAz)
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They seem to be looking for one thing after the other to show him in a negative light.
While watching the BBC program there was a part where one of Harrys commanding officers said harry was at the top of his game and and excellent gunner . THe officer also used the word game .He did not mean that war is a game anymore that Harry did in reference to the word . It is how these men talk . They really chopped up his words to create some nasty headlines . I would think Harry 's
Mistrust of the media is real and justified . The other program ITV shows how they Learnon big screens . The guy who taught Harry also made comparisons to video games . So did another officer
Quote from: Mike on January 30, 2013, 02:26:00 AM
Quote from: Eri on January 29, 2013, 07:36:01 AM
^ What is he 10? :lol: The first time he returned in 2008 he and William were there the pictures are everywhere:
That was 2008 this is now. Welcoming a family member home from war is no laughing matter, Eri. He could have come home in a body bag. If it was your son what would you do?
He knew that Harry was all Right, he has spoken to hm on the phone fairly often as he mentioned, and Harry was on leave in Cyprus for a few days before he returned to England. I'm sure that H would rather not be met by his family in public which would entail even more press coverage, but would rather meet them privately.
Didn't someone (Diamonds, I think) say that no one met him because none of the families were allowed to meet the returning men? If that's the case, I can't imagine Charles disrespecting everybody by pulling rank.
Cindy
Quote from: chavita on January 30, 2013, 03:42:11 PM
They seem to be looking for one thing after the other to show him in a negative light.
harry created his repuation of being a party boy who is irresponsible etc etc only he can change it .
Vegas did not help but if he just goes to a pub with friends ( single guy ) it does not mean he is having a knees up . He could save a baby from a fire and the media would say " well he happened to be on his way home from party"
Quote from: cinrit on January 31, 2013, 11:28:51 AM
Didn't someone (Diamonds, I think) say that no one met him because none of the families were allowed to meet the returning men? If that's the case, I can't imagine Charles disrespecting everybody by pulling rank.
Cindy
If it was published that no families could meet their returning members publically and must do so privately, that's one thing. Perhaps different arrangements were made.
I'm basing my comments on well remembered greetings of US families for their returning aviators, sailors and soldiers.
Mike, I don't know. Maybe Diamonds saw it published somewhere, but I didn't, but she said it as though it were so. I used to see troops returning and landing at Andrews Air Force Base, and being met by family all the time. I don't know how often they're met at Andrews ... I see some being welcomed home at the airport here, so maybe some get greeted in their hometowns instead of when they first land.
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on January 31, 2013, 11:28:51 AM
Didn't someone (Diamonds, I think) say that no one met him because none of the families were allowed to meet the returning men? If that's the case, I can't imagine Charles disrespecting everybody by pulling rank.
Cindy
I don't know of this however I don't see that it matters really. Possibly the men would prefer to meet their families in private and In Harry's case, since Charles and Will being there would attract the press, I'm sure he'd prefer ot meet his people away from the public gaze.
Quote from: robynrose on January 31, 2013, 02:43:24 PM
Vegas did not help but if he just goes to a pub with friends ( single guy ) it does not mean he is having a knees up . He could save a baby from a fire and the media would say " well he happened to be on his way home from party"
That's a good one :lol:
I think Jamie ( private secretary ) was there . Think I saw him in break ground coming through the door at the home interview .
There were several things in bbc interview the press should have hit on...
PRINCE HARRY TELLS THE COMRADS TO GO EASY ON USING THE PLASTICWARE, SAVE THE PLANET IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE? HARRY?
PRINCE HARRY- GREAT TRAINEE? COULD HE HELP TRAIN THE NEXT BATCH OF GUNNERS?
I could go on but whats the point? :orchid:
^ Yeah why bother :orchid:...haven't you noticed after a record of people saw the actual Documentary rags have been staying silent they couldn't twist his every word anymore all while giving TERRORISTS GOOD PRESS and CRYING ABOUT TERRORISTS DYING ( you can't make that one up :fuming:) yeah I gotta give credit to The Daily Telegraph with coming out and actually having an article admitting they had had a fit for nothing but rags like Th Daily Fail should be ashamed!!! Glad to see he has actually gotten the good press he deserved since day 1 after The Documentary of course not as loud as the ones who where giving TERRORISTS GOOD PRESS but he did get good press this week...
QuoteDeath At Their Fingertips: Prince Harry made killing Taliban sound like a video game. But in this heart-stopping account, a British Apache crew reveal the incredible pressures they are under
With his televised account of his life as an Apache helicopter pilot in Afghanistan, Prince Harry has run into flak for a supposedly cavalier attitude to his front-line job. But do the flyers of the Army Air Corps ever kill enemy fighters without careful consideration?
As this extract from a book telling the inside story of the men of 622 Squadron shows, they are painfully aware of the awesome power at their disposal.
The Prince’s squadron of Apaches was first deployed to Helmand Province in 2007 and subsequently the men who flew into combat under the call-sign ‘Ugly’ — the same as Harry’s — volunteered their accounts to author DAMIEN LEWIS. Here he describes one dramatic mission — and its aftermath . . .
Frontline: Prince Harry ran into flak for his supposedly cavalier attitude to his job, but this account suggests those in his squadron are painfully aware of the power at their disposal.
The ‘Ugly’ crews were enjoying a brew in the canteen at Camp Bastion, Britain’s headquarters in the Afghanistan desert, when they were scrambled by a coded message over the loudspeaker: ‘JHF [Joint Helicopter Force] calling Del Boy and Rodney.’
Death at their fingertips: Prince Harry made killing Taliban sound like a video game. But in this heart-stopping account, a British Apache crew reveal (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271652/Death-fingertips-Prince-Harry-killing-Taliban-sound-like-video-game-But-heart-stopping-account-British-Apache-crew-reveal-incredible-pressures-under.html#axzz2JhHvHiEw)
Cindy
Saw the above story in the DM they just will not quit . Most comments are on Harry's side ( soldiers). Very few comments printed maybe too pro Harry comments . Meanwhile there was a story in one of the tabs how Army is using video games in biggest experimental training program . Do they know war is not a game? . I believe so but this is how they are trained . Harry's commanding officer said Harry was at the top of his game. ( in tv interview) Anybody going after him or questioning army training program . No war is not a game but soldiers talk that way pretty hard not too
Did Charles visit Harry in Afghanistan?
Not that I heard of. P Anne went over while he was there, but it was reported she didn't see him.
Why would Charles go to see him? Harry is trying to do his job, I'm sure the last thing he would want would be his family visiting and remdining him that he's got another role which he finds Rather stressful. I wouldn't want my family coming to my work place, and it would be doubly so in a place where you need to concentrate wholly on your life or death role. Charles has said that Harry phoned him, so he knows how he is and that he's Ok...
I was just asking.
I actually though William might make a visit to the troops while Harry was there.
Would the Queen permit even a visit?
He went before. A few years ago.
I just thought the Queen might nix any visit with both princes in the war zone. Moot point now. :)
I think harry is an amazing person with an amzzing herat and the dedication he shows to his carrer is amazing...i really admire him for his passion while being a soldier...
What i disagree with always dud and probablly always did is with the war whole sistem i just dont get the point of sending someone to kill others coz they killed some of ure country..with the excuse of defending people and in reality only prorrogating a situation that in my view could be solved by diplomatic and peacefull way isntead if using fire against fire...
Im against it...war and how all is done to avoid it..that in my onloy makes it all worst..no wonder they killed more of theyre own soldiers tha the others...
In my view theers no such things no life no matter from or wich race, color whatevere should be seen as worthy more than other...
of people were actually againsts uch diferent there wouldnt be such madness and cruelty on the wolrd nand such soldiers being send to war wouold never happen and noone..enemy or not would die...
I dont believe in enemys i think people create theyre own enemys...and send soldier to such war zones to kill and be killed makes nothing good...solves nothing only prlongs it and makes things worst...
So to make it clear coz i think i being misurderstood about it on other topic on harry at wat...im not against harry bein a soldier or any soldier or anyhting..im against the idea of war thats all...
To me u cant expect peace making war..thats what i think and believe in..thats what makes sense to me..if people agree or disagree is a right oeach one has anyway...
As for harrt being portrayed bad and in a sensasionalist way..where the news :lol: :lol: :lol:
HOnetslly...but i have to admitt they asked for it...harry was very mad about being spoted on his last visit to the afeganistan...i woner what mad ehim change his mind and be so open about the whole thing now..i would love to say maturity but i dont think so...All this very weird and contraditory and even negative in my view cheap pr made nothing for him..and the results are there to be seen...
I dont know whos idea were..who aproved it and why he did it..but in my view..it was a very bad idea...
maybe for people who loves all about this and defends people going to wat and killing many others in the name of a flag sounds good...to me it doenst...it sounds ridiculous and im not afraid to say that a part of me expected war more from him...im honets..
I cant understanf why someone whos so nice and do such wonderfull things as harry has done can allow himself to be on such position and make such things against well..humans as well...coz to me all are humans...talibans or not...
if only they killed oly talibans..but thats not the case not to mention what such war against arab people generates to the rest of the world...i guess the arabs are the only ones who can tell anyway...
Harry being a soldier to me is a thing..i dont think is amazing but i dont disaprove of it...harry at wat killing peoppe is another compektly diferent thing that will never aprove...sorry...and shows me a very diferent vision from the one i had of him..and im not hipocrite or a lier to dont admitt it..i do...i dont think it was a good thing at all....
My views anyway...
I think all was part of a very bad diplomatic move and obviouslly ended very bad...i hope he learns a lesson and grow up!
Being a prince requires nore way more than this...i think harry has so much potentional and heart and to be envolbed with such things makes nothing for him...my views anyway...
Does anyone know why Prince Harry left the army? Or why he couldn't continue in some capacity?
He was fairly young when he left, if i'm not mistaken.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on April 28, 2019, 07:44:31 AM
Does anyone know why Prince Harry left the army? Or why he couldn't continue in some capacity?
He was fairly young when he left, if i'm not mistaken.
Presumably with his grandparents getting older, he was required for royal duties...
@oak_and_cedar -From what I have read Harry was going to be required to take a desk job during his career if he wanted to continue in the Army. Apparently this was not something that he wanted to do so he chose to retire.
Harry could have stayed in the army if not required for royal duties...
More on Prince Harry's army career.
Prince Harry's Military Career | The Royal Family (https://www.royal.uk/prince-harrys-military-career)
QuoteEarly Military career
Prince Harry served in the Army for ten years, rising to the rank of Captain and undertaking two tours of Afghanistan. He continues to work in support of his fellow servicemen, promoting support for wounded men and women as they adapt to life post-injury.
When did Harry 'invert' life and educational lessons. I read the 180 degrees, it's inverted/opposite and it rings true not only with this new developent of Sandhurst calling him out, but also with accusations he has done, which seems he is projecting to third parties (like his family), what he has done.
Mark Nichol is a Military Defense journalist
Quote
EXCLUSIVE: Army did not teach Prince Harry to dehumanise the enemy, say his Sandhurst classmates after he revealed he had killed 25 Taliban
Harry claimed the Army taught him to dehumanise the 25 Taliban that he killed
The Army said the Prince was taught dehumanising and 'othering' were wrong
Officer cadets say they were warned such cognitive biases were dangerous
Sandhurst sources said that Harry's representation was 'wrong by 180 degrees'
Prince Harry's claim the Army taught him to dehumanise the 25 Taliban he killed has been challenged by his Sandhurst classmates.
Speaking exclusively to the Mail, they said the prince was actually taught the exact opposite ' that dehumanising and 'othering' were completely wrong ' while a student at the officer academy.
According to other officer cadets, they and Harry were warned such cognitive biases were highly dangerous.
The Mail has also obtained Sandhurst's battlefield ethics syllabus which highlights these risks, using examples such as the killing of a Taliban prisoner by Royal Marine Sergeant Alexander Blackman.
Last night, former colleagues and Sandhurst sources said Harry's representation of army teaching was 'wrong by 180 degrees'.
Harry attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (RMAS) in 2005-06, commissioning, aged 21, as Officer Cadet Wales into the Blues and Royals cavalry regiment.
His 'kills' came on his second tour of Afghanistan as the gunner aboard an Apache attack helicopter which is armed with Hellfire missiles and a 30mm chain-gun, which he fired.
In his controversial memoir Spare he claimed 'they' his Army instructors ' trained me to 'other' them and they trained me well'.
He added: 'In truth, you can't hurt people if you see them as people. They were chess pieces taken off the board, bad guys eliminated before they kill good guys.'
But this claim was called into question last night, as an officer who passed out alongside Harry said: 'The dangers of cognitive biases were taught and there was no suggestion of simply 'othering people, that's just wrong.
'If you no longer think of your enemy as being like yourself, if you dehumanise them, your sense of right and wrong is entirely compromised.
'The idea he and I were taught that is ludicrous. Instructors were very clear we should not go down that road.'
Sandhurst students spend several weeks learning the principles of ethical leadership to prepare them for leading troops in combat.
The Army's core text on this subject, by Dr Dennis Vincent, says: 'Unethical action starts with small steps ' obedience to authority figure, dehumanisation of victim, loss of empathy.'
Dr Vincent is head of Sandhurst's Department of Communication and Applied Behavioural Science.
RMAS cadets are advised to read academic publications such as Dehumanisation (Kelman, 1973), which discusses the dangers of stripping people of their dignity and humanity, Othering (Levi-Strauss, 1955) and Dehumanisation (Faure, 2008), which consider the perception of others as evil.
These texts spell out the dangers of approaches such as Harry's breaking down of Afghans into two groups, good guys and bad guys ' the warnings are particularly relevant to the conflict in Afghanistan, where boundaries between combatants and non-combatants were often blurred.
The shooting of a wounded Taliban prisoner by Sgt Blackman is also studied.
Sandhurst cadets are taught that 'dehumanisation' influenced decision making among Sgt Blackman and his colleagues before he pulled the trigger.
In 2013 the experienced commando was found guilty of murder, later reduced to manslaughter, after shooting an injured captive in the chest at close range with a pistol. Two other marines from his section were acquitted.
A Sandhurst source said: 'Harry's representation of army teaching on battlefield ethics could not be more wrong. He is 180 degrees wrong.
'How he could think othering and dehumanisation are right, when actually officers are taught they're both wrong and also highly dangerous, is beyond me.'
Army 'did not teach Harry to dehumanise the enemy' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11632917/Army-did-NOT-teach-Harry-dehumanise-enemy.html)
Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on March 16, 2023, 12:34:42 PM
Yeah, I gotta say, for someone that wasn?t aware you had to curtsy to the Queen, Meghan latched onto the ?birthright? concept real quick. I think Harry has always liked being a prince. Just not the not so fun stuff that comes with it.
Like serving twice in the army and air services war zones in Afghanistan in helicopters. That sort of fun?
He wasn't at a war zone for 35 years. He was living like a 1% of the population.
Quote from: wannable on March 16, 2023, 01:02:48 PM
He wasn't at a war zone for 35 years. He was living like a 1% of the population.
Who said he was there for 35 Years? And plenty of Harry?s family and friends lived elite and privileged lifestyles and didn?t go to any war zones at any time.
Not sure what you?re trying to say in regards to being him in the army. A) We were discussing the aspects of being a prince?ie. showing up for charity events and being publicized by the media doing so. And B) He was heavily protected while in the army and no harm was ever going to come to him. Another princely privilege. A type of security that regular soldiers do not enjoy.
It?s a furphy that Harry had protection all the time in Afghanistan. Friends of one of my cousins in England served with him there.
And I don?t see how if you are in a helicopter and the Taliban are firing surface to air missiles at it how you could be protected from that.
BBC documentary he was protected by Gurkhas. Military men have said he was protected at all times. He said himself that from huge 30 miles of distance he pushed the button to kill. His gunner position at the Apache. His chances to get killed in a Apache are less than 0.5%. (Just in case with the whataboutism, a Ambulance Chinook - William/RAF can carry upto 55 troops or converted ambulance upto 10 tonnes of mixed cargo, including 1 RPO :wink: )
There were no Gurkhas at Camp Bastion. And he and the Gurkhas that he did serve with for a short while were caught under fire at a hillside fort by enemy fire. He did his part in keeping them off as did his fellow soldiers.
You and I have written about this before. And I spoke about one of his bios which covers practically every day of Harry?s time in Afghanistan in minute detail. He spoke to men who served with him and they are named in this book.
Google is my friend, just one example, there are 20 pages though if one cares to read: Welcome to the Gurkha Brigade Association The Gurkha Brigade ... QGE Celebrating Dashain in Camp Bastion, Helmand, Afghanistan
Quote from: Curryong on March 16, 2023, 01:22:48 PM
It?s a furphy that Harry had protection all the time in Afghanistan. Friends of one of my cousins in England served with him there.
And I don?t see how if you are in a helicopter and the Taliban are firing surface to air missiles at it how you could be protected from that.
He served in the army?good on him. Other royal men have done the same. But please let?s not act like he was just another guy. He is never and can never be just another guy as long as there?s an HRH in front of his name.
And that?s really what this is about. Those birthrights he wants for his children come with certain privileges and he wants his children to be given those privileges. That?s perfectly fine. It?s the law and titles exist. But it?s a bit rich to go on about ?Finding Freedom? and ?making a cultural and systemic difference? and then falling back and clinging to the privileges afforded to you by a monarchy.
Prince Harry: SAS whisked Royal to safety during deadly Taliban attack at Camp Bastion - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry-sas-whisked-royal-1327405.amp)
Harry's 'no special treatment' claim debunked as Queen had final say during career | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1443787/prince-harry-special-treatment-queen-army-special-treatment-oprah-winfrey-series-spt?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target)
Armed Guards For Harry in Afghanistan (https://www.thedailybeast.com/armed-guards-for-harry-in-afghanistan)
Harry was not guarded by Gurkhas at Camp Bastion. He had his own quarters and men who served with him there spoke about him, with admiration. As did the pilot instructor back in Britain who taught him how to fly in the first place. .
And William managed to shove two RPOs in his air ambulance when he deigned to go out on his part time missions in Norfolk, not Afghanistan of course.
As I said he has placed an onus on himself and his children, all this after his alleged pain, suffering, trash talking of his family, the monarchy, including the military life - he trashed them too in his book. One is pissed and todger proud about the killings, the other is humbled by the saving of lives.
From the Mirror article
The whole camp was locked down. All troops including Harry had to stay in their accommodation wearing full body armour and armed.? The details became clear yesterday after the ferocious assault that started at 10pm local time on Friday.
^And the other articles that speak to the special treatment afforded?
Also not sure why you brought up William, but as you have, yes, he too is an HRH, and had protection officers everywhere even in a helicopter in the U.K. Also makes the claim that Harry was out there in Afghanistan with zero supervision just like every other guy sound all the more ludicrous.
But it?s definitely in keeping with Harry?s delusion that he?s the sad sack that no one in the RF cares whether he?s alive or dead, and William is the perfect prince that?s gotten everything he ever wanted.
Can't beat a BBC documentary where he was fully protected by Gurkhas. Can't beat internet search engine where there are hundreds of videos of Gurkhas at Camp Bastion.
^This has been known. It was known then and it?s known now. There is a 0 percent chance that he wasn?t heavily guarded or that special plans weren?t made for him. He?s a prince. Just like his son now. There?ll be special plans for him when he goes to school. It kind of comes with the title. Harry mustn?t hate it but so much of he wants his children given the same treatment he claims to abhor.
There is an inconsistency between words and actions.
Quote from: wannable on March 16, 2023, 01:47:06 PM
Can't beat a BBC documentary where he was fully protected by Gurkhas. Can't beat internet search engine where there are hundreds of videos of Gurkhas at Camp Bastion.
However, nobody in Afghanistan ever accused him of cowardice or taking advantage of his position while he was there. That Mirror article comments that he had a gun and was ready to fire it. And he was certainly pinned down at the hill fort with Gurkhas and was not alone. Other British soldiers were with him.
I don?t wanna speak for
@wannable, but reading through her posts not a single person has accused Harry of ?sniveling cowardice?. It?s been said that he had special treatment and was protected as the prince that he was.
Just like Prince William wasn?t a coward because he had security detail with him at his job. They are princes. The both of them. They have always been afforded privileges that were not afforded to others. But only one has bragged about fleeing all of that ?oppression.?
And should William ever go on record talking about how it?s not fair that Charles gets top billing and that his children aren?t being given everything they deserve, the same comments will be made about him.
Wannable and I have been through Harry?s honourable service in Afghanistan several times before.
Well, I?ll speak for myself and say that I don?t think Harry was a coward, but that doesn?t erase the reality of his circumstance. The root of my point, which started the whole thing was that he lacks awareness into just how much privilege he had/has.
What I have inferred from his comments is a general dissatisfaction with the hierarchy, and specifically, his place within that hierarchy. That?s why I mock his comments about the ?freedom flight.? He seems to think that he?s some sort of pioneer that fled the cruel clutches of monarchy and the unfairness of it all?as he hoists a title on his children that is rooted in unfairness.
It?s the irony that seems to evade him that I find amazing.
Thank you PrincessOfPeace.
For what it's worth, I was just stating facts about Harry living the life of a 1% and google search.
Anyway those poor children with the type of parents they have. When they read all the shenanigans, it won't be pretty.
Quote from: DaFluffs on January 22, 2013, 03:06:42 PM
His comments about killing the Taliban in Afghanistan makes me nervous. If I were the Taliban and reading the comments I'd feel taunted. I'm surprised that the military or Department of Defense hasn't asked him to limit what he says....
Glad he's back but really really nervous about him being targeted by terrorists.....
I find it interesting that a decade ago, there were posters expressing concerns about Prince Harry's revelations during an interview that he'd killed terrorists. Then in 2023 with the release of
Spare, there was more controversy when he revealed the number of Taliban that he'd killed in combat. While that discussion has died down in the media, I still have to believe that British anti-terrorism, is deeply concerned that it might prompt retaliation.
If you read the rest of the conversation from 2013, there are predictions that Prince Harry's future after his retirement from the army.