Books written about and by the Sussexes Part 4.

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TLLK

One little bit of trivia related to Prince Harry's mother...Ben Wallace was one of the soldiers on duty in 1997 who escorted the casket of the late Diana, Princess of Wales back to the UK from France.

Ben Wallace said he 'wouldn't rule out' being PM as support grows for former Scots Guard - Scottish Daily Express


QuoteFive years later, Mr Wallace was on duty the night Princess Diana died and was part of the unit sent to Paris to bring her body home.

changemhysoul






A review from Amazon about the book.

I'm posting because I agree with the he should've been tested for learning disorders and he should've went to Gordonstoun and not Eton. That being said, the bigger issue was not getting this young boy 1. tested for learning disorders and not getting him a grief counselor or something to that effect. The ball had been dropped for him in a lot of ways.


HistoryGirl2

Quote from: TLLK on February 23, 2023, 01:07:04 PM
The Defense Secretary had a long career in the Armed Forces and I'm not surprised that he, like many other service members, believes Prince Harry should not have revealed that specific  information in Spare.

UK defence secretary accuses Prince Harry of ?boasting? about war killings | Prince Harry | The Guardian

I also liked why he said that. He specified that Harry answers for himself and that even if it wasn?t boasting, he personally disagreed with him even discussing it at all because of the fact that the military do these things as a team. It?s not about individual kills, it?s about the mission and the team?s role in accomplishing it.

TLLK

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Quote from: changemhysoul on February 23, 2023, 02:11:12 PM





A review from Amazon about the book.

I'm posting because I agree with the he should've been tested for learning disorders and he should've went to Gordonstoun and not Eton. That being said, the bigger issue was not getting this young boy 1. tested for learning disorders and not getting him a grief counselor or something to that effect. The ball had been dropped for him in a lot of ways.




I have read that Harry is dyslexic which is a very general and broad term I M H O. It can cover a far range of reading related and other visual disorders.  I personally know of one adult who found it difficult to learn to swim just by visual observation and he was severely dyslexic.

As to Harry not being diagnosed earlier,  there were likely clues far earlier than Eton. By then it would have been extremely difficult to play "catch up."  During that era, there would have been fewer resources at private schools as they could simply tell parents that it wasn't a good "fit" and they would have suggested another institution.
Beatrice's parents did listen and after agreeing to have her evaluated and diagnosed,  enrolled her in the best program to address her individual needs.

I have read that one or both of Harry's parents were reluctant to have him assessed. Without parental consent,  Harry's teachers and administrators would be unable to assist him. When Harry reached adulthood,  he could have request his own evaluation and seek assistance.  However I expect that at some point, he'd found some coping behaviors and used those to complete his academic work required at Eton.

Many learning disabilities are inherited.  I have no doubt Beatrice  and Edo will be watching to see if Sienna shows any signs of requiring an evaluation. 

Hopefully should any child shows signs of a delay,  their parents and guardians will be open and receptive to having their child assessed.

Curryong

Thank you Change for posting that review from Amazon about Spare. It?s a very fair appraisal, and refreshing to read after all the poison of most other reviews that have been gleefully published in the British Press.

A lot of things should have been done with Harry after his mother?s death. Like Zara and Peter Phillips Harry was sporty and would have thrived at Gordonstoun I think. He should not have been left like a lost soul roaming about his father?s apartment at St James for weeks after Di?s death in Paris. And yes, most of all, he should have received some longterm counselling about his grief around his mother?s death. And that counselling should have continued.

TLLK

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Quote from: Curryong on February 23, 2023, 10:53:23 PM
Thank you Change for posting that review from Amazon about Spare. It?s a very fair appraisal, and refreshing to read after all the poison of most other reviews that have been gleefully published in the British Press.

A lot of things should have been done with Harry after his mother?s death. Like Zara and Peter Phillips Harry was sporty and would have thrived at Gordonstoun I think. He should not have been left like a lost soul roaming about his father?s apartment at St James for weeks after Di?s death in Paris. And yes, most of all, he should have received some longterm counselling about his grief around his mother?s death. And that counselling should have continued.

Here's a very old DM article that refers to some of the academic concerns that William's Eton House Master had regarding Harry being admitted to the school. Andrew Gailey had warned Diana that he believed that Harry would face difficulty at the institution. Keep in mind that Eton faculty would have had access to prospective students' school records and any standardized testing results to determine admission.

Should we feel sorry for Prince Harry? | Daily Mail Online

QuoteFresh look at Harry

Perhaps, therefore, it's an appropriate moment to take a fresh look at the young man, fourth in line to the throne, who has been so demonised as nothing more than an upper-class lout over the past two or three years. Why does he behave the way he does?

To answer that question, one must go back more than ten years to when Diana, Princess of Wales, was still alive. In seeking to assert her preferences in all corners of her failing marriage, she chose Eton, the school of her father and brother, for Prince William over her husband's alma mater Gordonstoun. And because Prince William went there, so too should Harry.

But when the Princess approached William's housemaster, Dr Andrew Gailey, to talk about her youngest son he gently warned that there could be problems ahead.

Harry, he said, had learning difficulties which could prove devastating for him in a school where excellence is a byword, and where preferential treatment for bluebloods has long since disappeared. Charles and Diana went ahead anyway and Dr Gailey's fears were fulfilled.

Where William proved a success, Harry had difficulty in keeping up from the start. Had Diana lived, she might well have been forced to the tough but ultimately sensible decision - one reached by many parents - to take her younger son out of Eton and place him somewhere where the culture was less competitive.But Diana died and Prince Charles - a loving but not a hands-on parent - had his attention focused elsewhere. Soon Harry was coming bottom or near-bottom in his classes, and was struggling badly.

'He should not have gone to Eton'

Is it any surprise, then, that sympathetic tutors, seeing his dilemma and foreseeing the humiliation of his A-level results (or lack of them) being publicly aired at the end of his school career, may have given the Prince a helping hand?

The evidence presented at the tribunal hearing this week of former art mistress Sarah Forsyth - she is claiming unfair dismissal and sexual discrimination following her sacking two years ago - points, not to a conniving Harry eager to cheat his way to A-level success, but to a young boy desperately out of his depth and grateful for any help he could get.

"He should not have gone to Eton, it's as simple as that," said one former courtier I spoke to this week. "From a security point of view it was convenient since his brother was already there.

"And then there's the prestige, too. But the Prince of Wales should have been prepared to review the situation, and not just assume that because William sailed through so, too, would Harry."

Perhaps Charles's distance from the boys was a factor in his failure to take Harry's plight more seriously. Indeed, I was told in 1997 by one of Charles's entourage that in the 365 days leading up to Diana's death the Prince had custody of his two boys for just 22 days. 


changemhysoul

Spare has reached one million copies officially sold in the US and under 6 months.

Also, I came across a clip of Wallace's interview and I'll say, I'll feel more back for him. It seems like Nick Ferrari tried to bait Wallace into taking a swipe at Harry. Wallace tries not to fall for it but does. Wallace said that it's a vets personal choice to talk about what they want to talk about. It doesn't seem that Wallace has an issue with Harry said about the number because it has something to do with security or human's lives. He says that one thing is, talking about the number of people killed, distorts the fact that the army is a team game.

Now, I will say, I'm side-eyeing that fact that he called it a game but at the very least. He wasn't just talking to talk, he was baited into it, tried to switch it up but didn't manage to do it.

And some others but I can admit, even I fell for the papers and headlines. He wasn't as...rude/nasty about it as the papers made it sound. Once he realized he was being taken for a ride, he did try and change things but it was too late. Still, he doesn't speak for all vets but I can respect that he feels like Harry shouldn't have said anything because, he wouldn't, in his own personal choice. Just as the American vet said he had 0 issues with Prince Harry saying the number. And all of the other vets who spoke in favor of him but they don't get all of the headlines and buzz.

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RE: TTLK - I have heard that he was / might be dyslexic? On another site, I saw a comment that said Harry stated that himself but I could never find an actual video or quoted article?

That being said, I didn't know that dyslexia could take on that form or it was that wide a range. I never had anyone close to me who had (there are a few kids/adults in my family who have ADD & ADHD but our health concerns tend to run more towards diabetes.) Andrew and Fergie aren't the top 10 people in my list but they do seemed to go to back for their kids. I'm glad that when it came down to it, they did what was best for Beatrice and focused on her needs. I didn't know that. And I agree but the time he was a teen/young adult. There would've been a fair bit of internalized shame and he would've used whatever coping skills he had managed to pick up.

In regards to that, I think his problems, allowed him to even fall into the media narrative of being 'dumb'. For example, in a section, Harry felt like he wasn't smart enough for the French class he placed in. So he begged to be put with the 'slow' talkers but his testing placed him in an advanced class. Still, because the teacher spoke quickly and didn't invest in him as student, he said to himself, "I'm not smart enough for this." His teachers should've come up with a plan to help him, the teacher slows down and instead, they listened to him, placed him with a slow "talkers". He just took that as another sign that he was 'stupid' 'not good enough' 'didn't belong' when his testing showed that he did have some type of

As far as Diana and Charles, I did hear something like Diana had consider getting teachers/sending Harry to America to learn but I don't know how true that was. After Diana's death, I'll say, I think in his own way, Charles tried his best but in the way of a parent, he didn't.

He should've been more involved, a lot of people have said that. That being said, Harry's book gave a lot of humanity and humility that I didn't have for Charles before. I felt (and still do) that he likes the good PR but for me, it's lacking when it his actions need to follow his words. It was great PR and look to walk Meg down the isle, to walk out with Doria but when it came to actually being a father-in-law, a King. He dropped the ball. I don't care how much blow back you might get, when your grandson is called a chimp. As a King, a future head of state of a Commonwealth of over 70% people who look more like Meghan than you, you speak up. When your grand-daughter is being bullied by the media and palace aids because of her name, say something.

And I say that, because, when he had one of his many cash for honors scandals, an article comes out next day about how happy he was to met Lili.

BUT

After reading's Harry's book, learning some of his quirks. I view Charles as much more human...person, a person who is afraid of the media, who wasn't given the tools as a young man to properly do what he needs to do as a parent. Does that absolve him in my eyes? Not really but I it was a weird feeling when I found himself warming to him/finding him charming at some points in the book. I came away with more understanding for what he tried to do.

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RE: Curryong

No problem! Honestly, I've only posted this one but there are a lot of good and balanced review of Spare across a bunch of mediums. Those just don't get posted or don't make the headlines. One reviewer noted how while Harry might have issues with his memory due to trauma (something he states) that because of the trauma he's also a developed a great sense of detail? Like how he's able to remember the visuals and etc. Articles/website that focus on family dynamics and how they relate, those in the army, places that focus on grief and etc. There are a lot of good, nuanced reviews out there.

I can't remember the reviewer but one pointed out (and I agree with) the very sad and complex way he dealt with self-harm, in a sense. He played a sport where he was fine with getting seriously injured because he simply wanted to feel something.

Gordonstoun would've been a great school for him. I think and I agree he shouldn't have been left alone.

TLLK

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Quote from: changemhysoul on February 24, 2023, 04:01:46 PM
Spare has reached one million copies officially sold in the US and under 6 months.

Also, I came across a clip of Wallace's interview and I'll say, I'll feel more back for him. It seems like Nick Ferrari tried to bait Wallace into taking a swipe at Harry. Wallace tries not to fall for it but does. Wallace said that it's a vets personal choice to talk about what they want to talk about. It doesn't seem that Wallace has an issue with Harry said about the number because it has something to do with security or human's lives. He says that one thing is, talking about the number of people killed, distorts the fact that the army is a team game.

Now, I will say, I'm side-eyeing that fact that he called it a game but at the very least. He wasn't just talking to talk, he was baited into it, tried to switch it up but didn't manage to do it.

And some others but I can admit, even I fell for the papers and headlines. He wasn't as...rude/nasty about it as the papers made it sound. Once he realized he was being taken for a ride, he did try and change things but it was too late. Still, he doesn't speak for all vets but I can respect that he feels like Harry shouldn't have said anything because, he wouldn't, in his own personal choice. Just as the American vet said he had 0 issues with Prince Harry saying the number. And all of the other vets who spoke in favor of him but they don't get all of the headlines and buzz.

------------ I'm not going to quote so it won't be a big block but

RE: TTLK - I have heard that he was / might be dyslexic? On another site, I saw a comment that said Harry stated that himself but I could never find an actual video or quoted article?

That being said, I didn't know that dyslexia could take on that form or it was that wide a range. I never had anyone close to me who had (there are a few kids/adults in my family who have ADD & ADHD but our health concerns tend to run more towards diabetes.) Andrew and Fergie aren't the top 10 people in my list but they do seemed to go to back for their kids. I'm glad that when it came down to it, they did what was best for Beatrice and focused on her needs. I didn't know that. And I agree but the time he was a teen/young adult. There would've been a fair bit of internalized shame and he would've used whatever coping skills he had managed to pick up.

In regards to that, I think his problems, allowed him to even fall into the media narrative of being 'dumb'. For example, in a section, Harry felt like he wasn't smart enough for the French class he placed in. So he begged to be put with the 'slow' talkers but his testing placed him in an advanced class. Still, because the teacher spoke quickly and didn't invest in him as student, he said to himself, "I'm not smart enough for this." His teachers should've come up with a plan to help him, the teacher slows down and instead, they listened to him, placed him with a slow "talkers". He just took that as another sign that he was 'stupid' 'not good enough' 'didn't belong' when his testing showed that he did have some type of

As far as Diana and Charles, I did hear something like Diana had consider getting teachers/sending Harry to America to learn but I don't know how true that was. After Diana's death, I'll say, I think in his own way, Charles tried his best but in the way of a parent, he didn't.

He should've been more involved, a lot of people have said that. That being said, Harry's book gave a lot of humanity and humility that I didn't have for Charles before. I felt (and still do) that he likes the good PR but for me, it's lacking when it his actions need to follow his words. It was great PR and look to walk Meg down the isle, to walk out with Doria but when it came to actually being a father-in-law, a King. He dropped the ball. I don't care how much blow back you might get, when your grandson is called a chimp. As a King, a future head of state of a Commonwealth of over 70% people who look more like Meghan than you, you speak up. When your grand-daughter is being bullied by the media and palace aids because of her name, say something.

And I say that, because, when he had one of his many cash for honors scandals, an article comes out next day about how happy he was to met Lili.

BUT

After reading's Harry's book, learning some of his quirks. I view Charles as much more human...person, a person who is afraid of the media, who wasn't given the tools as a young man to properly do what he needs to do as a parent. Does that absolve him in my eyes? Not really but I it was a weird feeling when I found himself warming to him/finding him charming at some points in the book. I came away with more understanding for what he tried to do.

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RE: Curryong

No problem! Honestly, I've only posted this one but there are a lot of good and balanced review of Spare across a bunch of mediums. Those just don't get posted or don't make the headlines. One reviewer noted how while Harry might have issues with his memory due to trauma (something he states) that because of the trauma he's also a developed a great sense of detail? Like how he's able to remember the visuals and etc. Articles/website that focus on family dynamics and how they relate, those in the army, places that focus on grief and etc. There are a lot of good, nuanced reviews out there.

I can't remember the reviewer but one pointed out (and I agree with) the very sad and complex way he dealt with self-harm, in a sense. He played a sport where he was fine with getting seriously injured because he simply wanted to feel something.

Gordonstoun would've been a great school for him. I think and I agree he shouldn't have been left alone.

Definitely agree with anyone who feels that Gordonstoun would have been the better placement for Harry. Charles should have looked at the experiences that Peter and Zara were having there at his Alma Mater. It wasn't the same institution that he experienced. IMHO with the school's emphasis on team building and outdoor activities, he would have been a fantastic experience for him. Speaking as a former full time teacher, I wish Diana and Charles had considered the well meant advice that Andrew Gailey (William's head of house at Eton) had given to them regarding Harry's future at Eton because it wasn't the right fit for him.

Harry like many people with a learning disability has a normal range of intelligence but has underlying issues that require specialized instruction. The problem with following through with individual education plans though, is that  legally teachers are limited as to what they can do for their students unless the parents/guardians agree to have their student assessed and then agree with the plan presented Also I don't believe at that time, Eton was able to offer those services. The school does now, but I'm not sure in the late nineties and early two thousands. From what I have found, British schools didn't even start funding programs for dyslexia until the 1980's and those would have been state schools not the public (aka private) ones that Harry attended. The answer would have been to hire a tutor or find a different school like the Yorks did for Beatrice.

Oh no! Why on Earth was Harry was enrolled in French??? IMHO a terrible choice for someone with dyslexia as there are too many silent consonants at the end of their words. He  should have been enrolled in Spanish as it's a far easier language to learn especially in its written form. IMHO there's far more sound/symbol matches between Spanish and English.

changemhysoul

Quote from: TLLK on February 24, 2023, 05:42:47 PM
Definitely agree with anyone who feels that Gordonstoun would have been the better placement for Harry. Charles should have looked at the experiences that Peter and Zara were having there at his Alma Mater. It wasn't the same institution that he experienced. IMHO with the school's emphasis on team building and outdoor activities, he would have been a fantastic experience for him. Speaking as a former full time teacher, I wish Diana and Charles had considered the well meant advice that Andrew Gailey (William's head of house at Eton) had given to them regarding Harry's future at Eton because it wasn't the right fit for him.

Harry like many people with a learning disability has a normal range of intelligence but has underlying issues that require specialized instruction. The problem with following through with individual education plans though, is that  legally teachers are limited as to what they can do for their students unless the parents/guardians agree to have their student assessed and then agree with the plan presented Also I don't believe at that time, Eton was able to offer those services. The school does now, but I'm not sure in the late nineties and early two thousands. From what I have found, British schools didn't even start funding programs for dyslexia until the 1980's and those would have been state schools not the public (aka private) ones that Harry attended. The answer would have been to hire a tutor or find a different school like the Yorks did for Beatrice.

Oh no! Why on Earth was Harry was enrolled in French??? IMHO a terrible choice for someone with dyslexia as there are too many silent consonants at the end of their words. He should have been enrolled in Spanish as it's a far easier language to learn especially in its written form. IMHO there's far more sound/symbol matches between Spanish and English.

Tbh, I'm not sure. I've never attended a school that had a say uh, placement test? As he described it? The only school I had to do something for was an Art school and I had to audition in my major (vocal at the time and then 'audition' when I wanted to switch to creative writing.

So I don't know if they had a bunch of languages he placed for but whatever the pre-placement test was, he good enough to be placed in an advanced French class. And he said, his issue was that he couldn't keep up with the pace of the teacher so he asked if he could be demoted.  The teacher apparently told he could get it and he'd be fine but he didn't have the faith in himself.

So either, he was advanced and just didn't feel smart enough despite how he tested or someone thought it'd look good to have him a more advanced class.

Curryong


So I don't know if they had a bunch of languages he placed for but whatever the pre-placement test was, he good enough to be placed in an advanced French class. And he said, his issue was that he couldn't keep up with the pace of the teacher so he asked if he could be demoted.  The teacher apparently told he could get it and he'd be fine but he didn't have the faith in himself.

So either, he was advanced and just didn't feel smart enough despite how he tested or someone thought it'd look good to have him a more advanced class. End Quote.

Re the anecdote from Change about Harry, which I just copied and posted. As people know, I?ve followed Harry since he was 19, at first because of a young relative and I feeling sorry for him after Diana?s death, then more closely after he was 19, when he appeared to be happy and having great fun.

As we now know, he wasn?t, in all areas of his life anyway. But as regards the quote above, when Harry was in the midst of his training to be a helicopter pilot he came up top of his class after some exam, in both theory and practical. When informed of this by his Air Force tutor he absolutely refused to believe it and in fact became annoyed and angry because he felt it was undeserved and had been given because he was a royal. It took a great deal of convincing by his teacher that he did deserve it and he then accepted it. That was in the US.

As we know because the man was quoted saying so, his instructor in the UK placed him among the top five recruits he had ever taught. So he had a talent for flying. However, as with above anecdote at Eton Harry apparently had little belief in himself. And it appears it goes way back into childhood and the fact that he has apparently always felt second and therefore worthless.

As for Colbert?s questions, if they had been asked years ago when he was single he was very much attached to a blue suit. This was discussed a lot on forums and I remember once saying that the blue suit could attend engagements on its own! I don?t think Harry?s much of a fashionisto! And yes the grey shirt must go!

TLLK

Quote from: changemhysoul on February 24, 2023, 07:15:49 PM
Tbh, I'm not sure. I've never attended a school that had a say uh, placement test? As he described it? The only school I had to do something for was an Art school and I had to audition in my major (vocal at the time and then 'audition' when I wanted to switch to creative writing.

So I don't know if they had a bunch of languages he placed for but whatever the pre-placement test was, he good enough to be placed in an advanced French class. And he said, his issue was that he couldn't keep up with the pace of the teacher so he asked if he could be demoted.  The teacher apparently told he could get it and he'd be fine but he didn't have the faith in himself.

So either, he was advanced and just didn't feel smart enough despite how he tested or someone thought it'd look good to have him a more advanced class.

You can have above average intelligence and still be affected by a learning disability. Harry appears to have an aptitude for practical application and mechanics IMO.
@changemhysoul - Yes Eton like most private schools would require an entrance exam as well as recommendations from your previous school.  Even Harry's nephews and niece would very likely to  have had to take an assessment prior to entering their schools even at the Reception or Kindergarten level.  While he did score well in the French class, I can understand why he was struggling. It's a tricky language to learn especially if you are dyslexic. Like English there are many exceptions to words with their pronunciation, reading, and writing.

@Curryong-Yes! How could I have forgotten the blue suit!!  :hehe:

changemhysoul

Prince Harry will be doing a live virtual event with Dr. Gabor Mate for Spare. You can purchase tickets here, tickets include a copy of Spare (I'm assuming a signed copy) and you can also purchase Dr. Mate book as well. Once you purchase a ticket, you can also submit a question that will be answered during a Q&A section.

As for Dr. Mate "Gabor Mat? CM (born January 6, 1944) is a Hungarian-Canadian physician and author. He has a background in family practice and a special interest in childhood development, trauma, and potential lifelong impacts on physical and mental health including autoimmune disease, cancer, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), addictions and a wide range of other conditions." per his wiki.

Spare by Prince Harry - Prince Harry Memoir




PrincessOfPeace


changemhysoul

Yeah, I assumed people would assume that.

There would be no way, that any and all questions would just get through. That's why you have to submit the question when you purchase a ticket and not just freely during the event.

Which I'm quite happy about, I wouldn't want any questions from the RR. They got into Harry's BetterUp video conference last year and Sarah Vine went to the Ripple of Hope awards and then wrote an article in which she grew more and more upset because people didn't hate Harry and Meghan as she wished. That's strange behavior, it needs to be vetted.

Curryong

Yes, exactly. I?m glad that questions will be vetted. It?s well known what the media is like. You can almost see and hear some of these RRs and other observers, hello there Vine, Patell, Levin, Wootton, Bower, etc standing in a self-congratulatory bunch whipping themselves and everybody else up in a mass of loathing of the Sussexes. Dan Wootton and co interview each other on sites like GB News (a failing streaming service)  and think they are speaking for millions. In reality they aren?t. And really in reality few care. The book has been selling massively all over the world, something none of them expected and they are confounded by it. Harry has outsold Levin and Bower and Low.

Nightowl

Yes that is a very good thing and I hope he sells more as that way he will never have to ask the Bank of Dad for money as finally he can support himself and maybe pay back all that money dad gave him when he left the Firm and Family to become financially free.

Curryong

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Quote from: Nightowl on February 26, 2023, 03:11:48 AM
Yes that is a very good thing and I hope he sells more as that way he will never have to ask the Bank of Dad for money as finally he can support himself and maybe pay back all that money dad gave him when he left the Firm and Family to become financially free.

Charles paid Harry and Meghan ?a substantial sum? in yearly allowance paid in April,  up to the summer of 2020. We don?t know how much because it was never detailed. However the then Cambridges and Sussexes shared 4.5. million pounds for the yearly allowance of 2019-2020.

And it was noted in the July statement of that year that the Sussexes had paid back the millions that the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage cost (Sovereign Fund money in fact), plus 18 months rent (even though the house had supposedly been given to the couple by the Queen as a wedding present.) The media had howled about the expense of FC for two years, even though they knew it was Sovereign Grant money, and after it was paid off their complaints were no longer valid.

The couple also paid back the taxpayer ?2.4m for back rent accrued when they lived at Frogmore Cottage in Windsor.

And a CH spokesman noted that the couple were financially independent from the receipt of that above payment of a share of 4.5 million. .

They received no further money from Charles after the summer of 2020, so the Cambridges got it all. And continued to get an allowance until the Queen died and William inherited the Duchy of Cornwall money in the next quarter. Gee I hope he paid back the allowance he?d received in the previous April. And The Cambridges lived off the Bank of Dad for much longer than the Sussexes did. From the Spring of 2011 to the autumn of 2022 in fact.

Charles paid 'substantial sum' to Harry and Meghan after Megxit - but couple paid back rent for Frogmore Cottage | UK News | Sky News

Nightowl

Can't fault William for he inherited the title of Prince of Wales, he did not go out and ask for it. Maybe if Harry had any brains and wasn't so jealous of William being first born and has stayed in the family his growth in life would of been more fulfilled than it is. Harry really does not look like a happy camper to me from all the pictures that I have seen, so Kissing the bottoms of Hollywood to make money and keep their lifestyle will rub off on him and the smell will keep many way from him as they know he can NOT ever be trusted. If that is how he wants to earn a living so be it, let him.  After all what he has said and done will have consequences in life sooner than later. 

changemhysoul

Have I missed any photos because from the video and photos of Harry recently, he looks quite happy and is seeing his life-long friends.

I'm also glad Harry has his own money, I think the lot of them should have their own money. One should never let someone else hold their purse strings because you become beholden to the person with the money and they can treat you as they see fit. But we do agree that I hope he continues to sell more and make more and take care of his family, as he should because when he got married, he made those vows to her.

Let's not also forget the payback for a supposed gift, helped become a bit of a windfall for the Crown and that money supplemented them. Also, while Harry never to become the Prince of Williams, you can't fault Harry either. It's not as if Harry begged to become a Prince and be taken care of by daddy.

I still fail to see how they're kissing the bottoms of Hollywood when they barely do anything but their projects, they're not the ones that often court American celeb's, stars and all of the glittz and glamour, The Royals have been doing that before Meghan arrived.

And we do agree that we both hope he stays away, I hope he never shares any personal development of his kids with them or anything of his life going forward because the family can't be trusted. Constantly leaking, it's said that they can't control or stop it and if that's the case, Harry doesn't need to share another thing with them.

On the topic of selling money though and Spare sells.

Spare as also reached it's 6th week at being on top of the Canadian book charts. Like I said, selling is one thing but having staying power is another. I've also seen some pictures online of various people getting together and doing book club with snacks or out at a breakfast.

HistoryGirl2

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Quote from: changemhysoul on February 26, 2023, 02:28:09 PM
And we do agree that we both hope he stays away, I hope he never shares any personal development of his kids with them or anything of his life going forward because the family can't be trusted. Constantly leaking, it's said that they can't control or stop it and if that's the case, Harry doesn't need to share another thing with them.

I would agree with this if Harry wasn?t the one constantly talking about their personal lives to the media. The only person I?ve heard talking about somebody else?s kids publicly is Harry talking about the dangers William?s children are in even though William specifically asked him to please not make comments about his children?s upbringing as they are not his responsibility. Harry has his own boundaries about his children that are perfectly valid and understandable, but he doesn?t seem to accept and respect the fact that William also has his boundaries that are valid. That?s the type of cognitive dissonance that shows Harry?s lack of emotional maturity, in my opinion. He recognizes his own desires and feelings, but does not seem to want to try to understand the other person?s if they conflict with his own desires.

I think Harry still has a lot of underlying resentment from his youth. I empathize because I don?t think I?ve met a single person who doesn?t have some childhood trauma (maybe that says a lot about who I?m around lol). Childhood can be so scary. We have no control and for those of us who were not lucky enough to be taught how to understand and regulate our emotions, it can be even scarier.

Because of that fear, we can turn to the easy but not so helpful coping mechanisms (drugs, alcohol, taking our anger out on others). I recognize that part of Harry in myself. But where I veer from his story is that I believe that once we become adults, we do not have to revert back to those frightened, powerless children. We can make our own choices and we do not have to hold onto that anger that keeps causing us pain.

I hope this talk with this doctor and more of Harry?s engagements focus on that part. The part where we let go of the resentment. The part where we can even forgive and have empathy for the people we believe wronged us. We can try to understand that maybe they, too, have anger and fear within them that they?ve yet to truly understand and deal with.

Childhood trauma is real and it can affect anyone, even a prince. But using that trauma as an excuse to say hurtful things to others or make yourself out to be a victim shows a lack of growth, in my opinion. That doesn?t mean he can?t one day achieve those feelings of contentment that come with truly accepting reality for what it is. I hope he can move toward that path, not for the sake of the RF, but for his own.

TLLK

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I would agree with this if Harry wasn?t the one constantly talking about their personal lives to the media. The only person I?ve heard talking about somebody else?s kids publicly is Harry talking about the dangers William?s children are in even though William specifically asked him to please not make comments about his children?s upbringing as they are not his responsibility. Harry has his own boundaries about his children that are perfectly valid and understandable, but he doesn?t seem to accept and respect the fact that William also has his boundaries that are valid. That?s the type of cognitive dissonance that shows Harry?s lack of emotional maturity, in my opinion. He recognizes his own desires and feelings, but does not seem to want to try to understand the other person?s if they conflict with his own desires.

@HistoryGirl2 - Speaking as one myself, I believe that most parents do not want their relatives publicly commenting to the media as to how they are being raised. It doesn't matter if they're private citizens or public figures, if the parent(s) have made it clear to you that they don't wish for your advice then you need to step back and let the subject go.

Prince Harry claims he wrote Spare to protect Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis ? details | HELLO!

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QuoteBut as I know, full well, within my family, if it?s not us [points at chest], it?s going to be someone else. And though William and I have talked about it, once or twice, and he has made it very clear to me that his kids are not my responsibility, I still feel a responsibility. I know that out of those three children, at least one will end up like me, the spare. And that hurts, it worries me.

I'm sorry but Prince Harry was wrong to even bring this information to the public. It was made "very clear" to him that it's not his responsibility. Honestly I doubt that either Harry or Meghan would appreciate anyone in the BRF speaking publicly about Archie and Lilibet in this manner.
I have to agree that Prince Harry doesn't seem to comprehend that other people including those in his family have their own thoughts and feelings.

Nightowl

Does anyone think that perhaps Harry is doing this on purpose just to get back at William for whatever reason. He knows as he has been told by William not to mention his children yet he keeps doing it so there is no excuse.  Just like saying in interviews that he wants Charles and William both to apologize to Meghan and then to him for how they treated her or for whatever reason he think will work, he knows how the royal family/Firm operates and that an apology will never be forth coming so again he does things just to spike trouble, create drama and stir the pot to purposely cause hurt and pain in the royal family, just his way of keeping him reverent in the news and in the family so they won't forget him. 

Whatever happened to Harry just boggles the mind as we have all seen him when he was young and daring and deeply loved by all in the family or was he just acting like an actor on a stage for everyone. If it was just an act then he surely deserves an Oscar for he fooled everyone, mostly the family he was born into.    The ending of this is not going to be pretty at all, yet he is an adult and responsible for his own actions and decisions even in the words he wrote and said. 

Amabel2

Quote from: Nightowl on February 27, 2023, 10:37:51 AM
Does anyone think that perhaps Harry is doing this on purpose just to get back at William for whatever reason. He knows as he has been told by William not to mention his children yet he keeps doing it so there is no excuse.  Just like saying in interviews that he wants Charles and William both to apologize to Meghan and then to him for how they treated her or for whatever reason he think will work, he knows how the royal family/Firm operates and that an apology will never be forth coming so again he does things just to spike trouble, create drama and stir the pot to purposely cause hurt and pain in the royal family, just his way of keeping him reverent in the news and in the family so they won't forget him. 

Whatever happened to Harry just boggles the mind as we have all seen him when he was young and daring and deeply loved by all in the family or was he just acting like an actor on a stage for everyone. If it was just an act then he surely deserves an Oscar for he fooled everyone, mostly the family he was born into.    The ending of this is not going to be pretty at all, yet he is an adult and responsible for his own actions and decisions even in the words he wrote and said.
I doubt if his family was fooled, but they probably hoped that he woudl outgrow his difficult nature and sympathised iwth the fact that he had lost his mother so young. but it seems clear to me that he has had a grievance against William most of his life, going back to his idea that Diana and CHarles had had him so that they would have spare parts for William.  That really shows that he has always had a grudge because he was the second son, and knew that he would never have the privileges of the heir, so he's worked up this big thing against WIlliam who can hardly help being the older son.  William had a bigger room than him, William got an extra sausage etc etc..  I wonder if he knows that most of this stuff isn't true or if he's made himself believe it.

TLLK

#73
Quote from: changemhysoul on February 25, 2023, 07:00:57 PM
Prince Harry will be doing a live virtual event with Dr. Gabor Mate for Spare. You can purchase tickets here, tickets include a copy of Spare (I'm assuming a signed copy) and you can also purchase Dr. Mate book as well. Once you purchase a ticket, you can also submit a question that will be answered during a Q&A section.

As for Dr. Mate "Gabor Mat? CM (born January 6, 1944) is a Hungarian-Canadian physician and author. He has a background in family practice and a special interest in childhood development, trauma, and potential lifelong impacts on physical and mental health including autoimmune disease, cancer, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), addictions and a wide range of other conditions." per his wiki.

Spare by Prince Harry - Prince Harry Memoir





Thanks for the update and if you choose to pay and  view the program,  please consider sharing  your impressions @changemhysoul. Looks like it will be $33.09 for US viewers. Canadians will be paying $45.00 and in the UK about 19 pounds.

HistoryGirl2

@Nightowl, there might be some type of needling going on, but really, I think it?s just based on Harry?s own projection about how much he resents not being the heir.

I think it?s impossible for him to conceive that Charlotte and Louis might actually be supportive of George rather than envious of what he supposedly has that?s ?better? than them.

As for his previous image, I think that was crafted by palace PR. A person isn?t just this angry and resentful because of one thing, this is a lifetime of grievances that he?s levying and it?s all exploded at once.