Prince Charles 'won't live at Buckingham Palace when he becomes King' - even though it is currently getting a 10-year £370m makeover
Prince Charles 'won't live at Buckingham Palace as King' | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4892462/Prince-Charles-won-t-live-Buckingham-Palace-King.html)
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Prince Charles 'wants to give up Buckingham Palace to public when he becomes king'
Prince Charles to give up Buckingham Palace to public when he is king | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/855308/Prince-Charles-Buckingham-Palace-public-king)
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Prince Charles may 'convert Buckingham Palace into business-like monarchy HQ' when King
Prince Charles may ?turn Buckingham Palace into business-like monarchy HQ? as King | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/855131/prince-charles-royal-family-queen-uk-buckingham-palace-monarchy-clarence-house-museum)
I seriously wonder whether the monarchy can sue Journalists for slander and libel. That article is a prime example. At the very end there is a statement that completely negates everything written in the article.
Meanwhile the numpties on the DM commentary are up in arms. Some are hoping Charles dies before his mum (nasty or what?). I think the DM knows its audience...not too bright and filled with hate. They just throw red meat at every turn to see how they gorge themselves on troll-fodder.
Why Prince Charles may not live at Buckingham Palace when he is King
Prince Charles won't live at Buckingham Palace as King: report (http://us.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2017091842481/prince-charles-wont-live-buckingham-palace/)
The report that Charles and then William won't treat BP as their home has been already smartly denied by KP staff and Prince Charles's media secretary.
However, the wording of the secretary's statement is somewhat ambiguous. He said BP will continue to be the official London home of the British monarchy.
Yes, it is for Elizabeth as well. Nevertheless, according to figures from the Telegraph last year, the Queen (and presumably Prince Philip) spent almost double the nights at Windsor than they did at Buckingham Palace. That doesn't shout a fondness for their rooms at BP to me, and Charles and Camilla no doubt will feel the same about it and might privately spend their private time in their old home.
The one thing that gives me pause with that scenario though is the expense of upkeep and repairs on both CH and BP from Duchy of Lancaster money and the Sovereign Grant. The media might well kick up a stink about two massive homes near to each other in the heart of London being maintained for the comfort of one elderly couple.
I don't doubt that BP comes pretty low on the fave list for royals. It is not a particularly beautiful or homely place. Clarence house has been maintained in the family for decades so I am not so sure they would want to give it up.
Besides when Charles gets his hands on the Duchy of Lancaster, you can expect some changes that are likely to bring as much or even more profitability than the Duchy of Cornwall. That will mean more money to play with so to speak. His Duchy of Cornwall team is already assembled and I am certain they will just move with him to Lancaster. Charles is very extravagant but nobody can ever accuse him of failing to pay his bills. He does have a team that takes care of the bacon very well.
What I think will happen is that it will become the new raymill house...i.e. bolthole extraordinaire if there is trouble in paradise or the new queen wants a break from ceremony. In that way if she becomes the dowager, it becomes her home. Charles prefers Windsor and I think he will spend his unofficial time there with many state banquets there as well. BP will no longer have as much luster as it once had since the main attraction is that it is the monarch's residence.
@royalanthropologist I think you are presuming a bit much thinking If Camilla becomes the dowager CH will become her home. Once Charles is gone if Camilla survives him it will be at the will of William where Camilla lives and face it she has Raymill which she owns. Camilla is not Williams mother and he will be under no real obligation to house her.
Charles may make provisions in his will and make provisions for her if he predeceases Camilla. He may arrange for her housing in advance or she'll stay at Raymill and have a substantial inheritance from Charles. Camilla I doubt will reside at Clarence House like the Queen Mother. She is not William's mother.
Prince Charles Might Not Live in Buckingham Palace When He Becomes King: Report
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QuoteHowever, the wording of the secretary's statement is somewhat ambiguous. He said BP will continue to be the official London home of the British monarchy.
@Curryong-BINGO! This allows for some flexibility in future living arrangements with the the timeline for the renovation/repair work for BP and also takes into consideration the age related issues that Charles might be facing in the future since he is likely to be in his seventies before he ascends to the throne.
Her position may be tenable if HM/PP and C pre decease her(although barring an accident, unlikely). One can imagine W&H re enacting CS & D infamous bin bag exit routine they gave Raine, half their blood is Spencer after all :lol:
^^^Well...with camera phones and CCTV all around I don't know if they'd actually do it
@Duch_Luver_4ever! :D
I would imagine the scenario that Camilla is widowed has already been planned for years ago (Those courtiers never miss a chance to plan!) with boxes, packing tape and labels marked "RAYMILL" already waiting.
So true, last thing they need is an image of Harry or Wills kicking a bin bag full of clothes down the stairs on the DM, etc. but the imagination does like to wander LOL.
Also I doubt theyd actually do something like that, but I also dont think the boys will have her hanging around very long, either.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on September 19, 2017, 02:55:59 PM
Her position may be tenable if HM/PP and C pre decease her(although barring an accident, unlikely). One can imagine W&H re enacting CS & D infamous bin bag exit routine they gave Raine, half their blood is Spencer after all :lol:
I hoep they are not so apppallngly badly brought up....
A king's dowager has rights that have nothing to do with the new king. Those include housing, a title and her income which remains the same as when she was queen consort (currently about $1.5 million a year). Those rights are not affected by whether or not she is the mother of the current king.
I cannot imagine for a second William treating his step mother so appallingly. These are not the Spencer children. They were brought up very differently and are not prone to irrational emotional outbursts. There would be an outcry if a queen dowager was treated so shabbily (even the government would step in, not least because that would constitute pensioner abuse) and it would show William to be a rather unpleasant person. All indications are that neither William nor Harry is interested in such nonsense. The mind does wander though and people are allowed to imagine extreme scenarios
In any case Camilla's own children would not tolerate anyone shoving her down the stairs like Diana did or having her things thrown out in the bin liner like Charles Spencer did to Rainer. The former was actually a serious assault case that could have had serious consequences had Rainer's children persuaded her to follow it through with a complaint. It was nothing to be proud about and the Spencer children ought to have been ashamed that they behaved in that way. Their father would have been appalled at the way they treated his widow.
William and Harry ARE Spencers by blood. Half their DNA is Spencer. Everybody can lash out at times. Charles has temper tantrums according to his biographers. Temper tantrums (gnashes) run in the Windsor Family. George VI was known for fits of temper. Spencers are not perfect but neither are the Windsors.
Charles' will is probably all set and he will treat his widow (should he predecease her) very well. She will get the jewels that he got her at auction, she will get a generous settlement. She will not be tossed into the streets, so to speak. It is impossible since Charles has a will set up and no question she will be treated well.
Her concern and comfort will be HER children and grandchildren. I don't think it is a lovefest wtih William, Harry and Camilla. Considering how they spoke so well about their mother and William said he understood why Diana did the Panorama interview. Which speaks volumes. That does not mean he will toss Camilla into the streets. Camilla will be well provided for.
Diana did not shove her stepmother "down the stairs" that did not happen if it did she would have been hospitalized. Raine and Diana made up. Their quarrel was their business. It was strictly between them. They were friends from 1992 until the day Diana died. Besides which, what does this have to do with how Camilla will be treated if Charles' predeceases her
Camilla did character assassinate Diana by cooperating with Junor which I find heinous. But the boys will be polite and cordial to her and Charles provided her with lifelong security in his will. should he predecease her.
There was no serious assault case. None. Besides which why would one want to cause pain by posthumously filing a complaint about a long dead woman. I doubt Raine would have agreed with your condemnation of Diana. They were close.
Camilla is set for life no matter what. SHe is not being "abused" if she not as close to her step children as she is to her children with her first husband. She had no part in raising William and Harry. They are polite to her and will respect their father's wishes.
That said, I doubt she'll spend the rest of her days in Clarence House. Which does not constitute bad treatment.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on September 19, 2017, 08:32:21 PM
A king's dowager has rights that have nothing to do with the new king. Those include housing, a title and her income which remains the same as when she was queen consort (currently about $1.5 million a year). Those rights are not affected by whether or not she is the mother of the current king.
I cannot imagine for a second William treating his step mother so appallingly. These are not the Spencer children. They were brought up very differently and are not prone to irrational emotional outbursts. There would be an outcry if a queen dowager was treated so shabbily (even the government would step in, not least because that would constitute pensioner abuse) and it would show William to be a rather unpleasant person. All indications are that neither William nor Harry is interested in such nonsense. The mind does wander though and people are allowed to imagine extreme scenarios
In any case Camilla's own children would not tolerate anyone shoving her down the stairs like Diana did or having her things thrown out in the bin liner like Charles Spencer did to Rainer. The former was actually a serious assault case that could have had serious consequences had Rainer's children persuaded her to follow it through with a complaint. It was nothing to be proud about and the Spencer children ought to have been ashamed that they behaved in that way. Their father would have been appalled at the way they treated his widow.
I agree that neither William or Harry are likely to treat their step-mother in a shabby fashion. They witnessed enough family antics in the past, so I doubt they'd want to stir up any more. As I mentioned before, it is quite likely that all of this pertaining to Camilla's future housing, income, status as the widow of a monarch/heir-to-the-throne etc.. has already been arranged should Camilla survive Charles.
Camilla won't be thrown out to the streets however, In the case of dowagers, the widows must move in a reasonable amount of time for the new head of the manor to take over. Most dowagers move to a small place on the estate provided by new Duke, Earl etc Camilla will probably be given a place in KP.
^^^True
@Trudie but I've read that QEQM did take her time in leaving BP after the death of George VI.
I think that in the IMO unlikely scenario that Camilla will outlive Charles that she will live at Raymill and have rooms at BP for when she is in London. It's unlikely in my view that a women who would probably be in her eighties would require a huge house in London.
Of course the QM did, but then she lived in grand Edwardian style on £630,000 a year, had five homes and reputedly left more than £7 million in debts. The Queen and Charles subsidised her, something unlikely to happen with William and George I think.
The Empress of Extravagance: How the Queen Mother left behind more than £7m in debts | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-506198/The-Empress-Extravagance-How-Queen-Mother-left-7m-debts.html)
@Curryong, You mentioned the Sovereign Grant. What is the Sovereign Grant?
This is an explanation of the Sovereign Grant.
Sovereign Grant Act 2011 - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Grant_Act_2011)
Well lots to mention since ive been at work. The bin bags and stairs are two separate incidents the shove down the stairs in 89 at CS wedding, and the bin bags in 92 with johnny's death. I dont know why some seem to refuse to believe falling/pushing and stairs connected with Diana's life, but it was confirmed by Diana herself and others who were there.
A fall down the stairs does not equal automatic hospitalization, I saw my mum fall down a whole flight of stairs and just be bruised, as was the case with Raine and Diana when they went down a flight of stairs.
True, Raine and Diana made up towards the end of her life, and it surely wasnt the best behavior to be sure, but my gallows humor does get a kick out of imagining a replay, but im sure Camillas clothes will be un bin bagged and stairs will go one at a time, given her brittle skeleton, even I wouldnt want to see her put through that. Although back in the day it would have been a hoot to see Diana and Camilla go toe to toe like Joan Collins and Linda Evans did on Dynasty :lol: :teehee: :lol:
That article about the QM is just shocking, even the most ardent tory could be turned into an ardent liberal after reading that. Also it piled more on the legacy of failure for HM, luckily the brits are such compliant towards their royals otherwise stuff like that should have had ppl out for blood (or at least their hard earned tax money back). Just disgraceful of the QM (and her enablers, HM and PoW) as it had not just a financial but a health impact on people that were responsible to try and keep the ship afloat.
Puts Charles's comment to Diana about more shopping on the Gulf tour in a whole new light. :windsor:
I totally get it
@Duch_Luver_4ever. Yes a Dynasty show down would be in order especially after that confrontation at Anabel's birthday party but sadly both women were too controlled to do that. I also think Camilla would have been out of the door if she ever engaged in a slinging match. Charles doesn't strike me as someone that can take the drama, although he can dish it out.
As for surviving stairs, your mum did have some strong constitution. I dread to think whether I would even be able to get up after that. I would just collapse into one hot mess. LOL :hehe:
QM lived in another age, literally. I think Charles learnt a lot from her, maybe even too much. He seems to be stuck in the Edwardian age.
Oh gosh. You guys go to the extremes.
First.....
Rumors from media that are too silly to be true. BPalace.
King Charles and Queen Camilla will have BP as their London, capital city base.
It is the way it is. They do not have to be there for as much or as little depends on them.
Timing of the year, events, etc.
BP is well secured. National tourist attraction. A place for major events such as flyovers, state dinners, etc.
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These two will be 79/80 when QEII even thinks about dying.lol. No, no I have no crystal balll, but these people live very long lives.
PP , good guest, will die before QEII.
King Charles and Queen Camilla will have a good 10 years. K and W kids will be teenagers or young adults and WnK about 50 at least before they become KnQ.
Just my predictions. 2029. 2038.
We none know who will pass away and when. That is a fact. It is also a fact, these people in these times live very long lives well into mid to late 90s unless there is a terminal illness , health crisis( QE's father ) or they are ill due to poor health choices ( Princess Margaret).
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The extreme part of our conversation here, geesch. Interesting though. Very interesting. Some of us go from 0 to 100 depending who we are fans of in our fandom.
If PC as P, dies before CPB! QE II, such a traditionalist , would afford CPB everything fitting for her station as PofW, DofCornwall, etc. PW would not have a say.
If Camilla, former QofE is still alive in her mid 90s, I bet King William would have her nicely kept at her home,RaymillH, security of course RPOs, but no , I doubt she would be around him or his family and BRF family times or even in communication with them she is not and won't be The Queen Mother or held in that regard by W and H and their families. I am so sorry for you all here who want her to be, but knowing what we see, know what is reported, WnH and CPB are cordial, respect, and mindful of each other's place.
Camilla probably would not care in her mid 90s. She had her time, history, etc. when she was in her 50s to 70s. Her children have trust funds from Sir/PC. She would probably care less about WnH and their lives, monarchy, W's reign ,etc. Camilla would have her personal jewels for her heirs. Her name and place in history for her heirs. I would not be surprised if KingCharles would will , in addition to the trust funds for Camillas children, but leave personal property too . Highgrove to TomPB perhaps.
Queen Camilla dying after King C, then KingWilliam would.....here is where it is tricky.
Tradition calls for x procession, burial as Camilla would be a deceased QueenofEngland.
Camilla's children and then adult grandchildren perhaps would take over her arrangements. There would be input from them that would have to be addressed.She would be deceased QofE, but not the Kings mother.
What a mess!
Burial and procession are already planned for these types. We common folks even have that ourselves for things.
Camilla dying before PC or even KingC, would surely kill him. He would soon die after of grief.
Again, Camilla is not thinking about dying until her early to mid 90s so as DofCornwall for another 5 to 8 years, then QofEngland for about 10 years, she probably does not care. She has to buried in Frogmore or WestmintersA, A decent procession. King William would not have to make it all too grand lasting days, etc.
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Quote from: TLLK on September 20, 2017, 12:43:44 AM
^^^True @Trudie but I've read that QEQM did take her time in leaving BP after the death of George VI.
If she did, she did. She was MOTHER then of former Princess Elizabeth and MOTHER of the new monarch, QEII.
There lies the difference.
QEII loved her mother and they were close.
WnH tolerate, respect, are cordial to, are decent to Camilla. Camilla is respectful, decent, cordial to W and his family and H and his life.
From we is reported, leaked out, etc., all parties are civil. Parties are not close...a close and loving mother /sons and grandmother she is not to The Willams, PH.
Likewise, we go to extremes here but ok.
There will be no one throwing no one down flights of stairs, a step or two, belongings packed and thrown out , etc.
Likewise, if PC or KC ever gets really ill or terminally I'll, CPB will never stop, limit, set the rules and manner in which visits will be or set a time clock on WnH visiting him.
I do know someone who fell down a flight of stairs (in her own home) and was very badly injured, she needed surgery Pronto and needed extensive rehab. It was said in biographies that Raine was on a landing and it was a "Few Steps." Bringing in the stairs story is OT in any case. And Raine and Diana were friends from 1992- to Diana's death so they made up. No injuries no flight of stairs a few steps. An elderly woman going down a flight of stairs generally does not just have "bruises" with fragile bones and all that.
Camilla would be Queen Dowager if she outlives Charles. And she would not live in "reduced" circumstances by any means.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on September 20, 2017, 04:57:53 AM
Well lots to mention since ive been at work. The bin bags and stairs are two separate incidents the shove down the stairs in 89 at CS wedding, and the bin bags in 92 with johnny's death. I dont know why some seem to refuse to believe falling/pushing and stairs connected with Diana's life, but it was confirmed by Diana herself and others who were there.
A fall down the stairs does not equal automatic hospitalization, I saw my mum fall down a whole flight of stairs and just be bruised, as was the case with Raine and Diana when they went down a flight of stairs.
True, Raine and Diana made up towards the end of her life, and it surely wasnt the best behavior to be sure, but my gallows humor does get a kick out of imagining a replay, but im sure Camillas clothes will be un bin bagged and stairs will go one at a time, given her brittle skeleton, even I wouldnt want to see her put through that. Although back in the day it would have been a hoot to see Diana and Camilla go toe to toe like Joan Collins and Linda Evans did on Dynasty :lol: :teehee: :lol:
That article about the QM is just shocking, even the most ardent tory could be turned into an ardent liberal after reading that. Also it piled more on the legacy of failure for HM, luckily the brits are such compliant towards their royals otherwise stuff like that should have had ppl out for blood (or at least their hard earned tax money back). Just disgraceful of the QM (and her enablers, HM and PoW) as it had not just a financial but a health impact on people that were responsible to try and keep the ship afloat.
Puts Charles's comment to Diana about more shopping on the Gulf tour in a whole new light. :windsor:
According to Raine's personal assistant this was her recollection of Raine's condition after the pushing incident.
QuoteRaine's personal assistant Sue Howe recalled how she was covered in bruises, saying: 'She was badly bruised and dreadfully upset. It was not justified at all, it was a cruel heartless thing to do and I think it was Diana's perception of how Raine was treating Mrs Shand Kidd.
'I think Diana was very stressed. This sounds really wrong but she wasn't centre of attention on this occasion.'
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Might I ask why this episode is being rehashed to death. The point is Raine the person who was involved Forgave Diana. She and Diana became good friends and were close. IF Raine can forgive Diana, why are posters still pointing the accusing fingers. It was Raine's call. Is there a call for a posthumous charge against Diana? This is a Camilla thread by the way.
Raine Spencer dead: Princess Diana's step-mother dies age 87 | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/raine-spencer-dead-princess-dianas-step-mother-dies-after-short-illness-age-87-a7373966.html)
@sandy-Yes it has been "rehashed to death" much like the War of the Wales which routinely pops up in so many Charles and Camilla threads. The bin bags and stairs story is a side conversation that came up, but yes you are correct that this thread is about BP and speculation regarding Camilla's future so we should return to that topic. :)
I totally agree TLLK this has nothing to do with Diana but the bin bag story is a given among the aristocracy that a dowager moves out of the main home to make way for the new occupant. So lets get back on topic and stop using a bad moment of judgment on Diana's part to show how much Camilla deserves all she now has or may have in the future despite her not so lily white reputation as well.
Thanks Trudie.
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Thanks TLLK.
Thanks sandy.
The staircase incident (and it was a serious incident despite all the attempts to minimize it. I am sure the tunes would change if it was Charles or Camilla that had pushed someone down the stairs.) was a light-hearted moment by someone that admitted that their mind was wandering about possible eviction plans for Camilla upon Charles' death. I responded and we left it at that. I think a chill pill and a sense of perspective is in order when dealing with these things. We are discussing multi-millionaires and their choices of homes in retirement. It is not a national crisis.
As for the rehashing of old stories, I am going to plagiarize
@sandy as follows: "IF Raine [William and Harry] can forgive Diana [Camilla], why are posters still pointing the accusing fingers?" That is a very interesting question that deserves a thread of its own in my view.
But it is irrelevant to the thread and the topic has been beaten to death for years. The point is Raine and Diana became close. I posted the obituary with particular attention to Raine's comments about Diana. She did not say oh that horrid woman pushing me down those stairs. She talked about Diana in a positive way. So what's the point of the comments?
It is apples and oranges comparing this to Raine and Diana IMO. Raine and Diana had a complex relationship and made up. But the point is Diana loathers cannot let it go and I see in comments sessions people saying oh but Diana did this, so why are Charles and Camilla criticized. It is about one woman deliberately undermining the wife and the man courting a young woman knowing he preferred his mistress. Junor took it to the extreme, labeling Camilla the "savior of the monarchy" and mercilessly trashing the late ex wife. ANd C and C cooperated with her. Speaks volumes.
Charles and Camilla can't seem to let it go. Charles and Camilla cooperated with Junor and did a hatchet job on the late Diana. There is such a thing as character assassination and Diana can't defend herself anymore. It seems that C and C have not moved on. I always said William and Harry are polite and cordial to Camilla but it is not a love fest--William said he understood why Diana did the Panorama interview and he he has shown that he is closer to his in-laws than his stepmother. She was never a mother figure to him. And in another biography I read about Camilla, she had no intention of even trying to be a mother to them which is a good reason why the boys are cordial to her. They are hardly going to spit in her eye. They are civil. I think Charles and Camilla lost some popularity because of the Junor book and Camilla playing "victim" in an interview she did in the Spring.
QuoteThe Times stated that Charles "doesn't see [Buckingham Palace] as a viable future home or a house that's fit for purpose in the modern world. He feels its upkeep, both from a cost and environmental perspective, is not sustainable." The newspaper also claimed that Prince William agrees with his father that the palace is too big and costly for family life.
Good reasons IMO to keep CH and KP as the prime residences for the monarch/consort and key members of the BRF and to transform BP into an official gathering space for state/official visits and events.
Those are interesting reasons although I also suspect that the palace will lose its luster if two successive kings effectively abandon it.
@sandy. The bottom line is this: Camilla is the wife to heir to the throne. If he becomes King, she will be his consort. That entitles her to certain privileges including suitable accommodation, a pension, precedence and a title. It is nothing to do whether or not she mothered W&H or whether they love her or not. It is her entitlement by virtue of her marriage to Charles.
Camilla will never be shoved down any staircase or otherwise abused by W&H. Her luggage will never be put in bin liners and thrown out of BP or any property for that matter. She will never want for money or housing. It was a light-hearted comment that has been blown out of proportion in order to deflect real debate.
W&Harry will pay her the courtesies that are due to Camilla as their father's wife and their step mother as well as being a senior member of the royal family. They have done that so far and I see no reason why they are going to change suddenly if their father predeceases his wife.
My quote is not apples and oranges. It is meant to illustrate the hypocrisy of condemning people for their past actions but trying to minimize the past actions of others.
Only one person made the light hearted comment which was dismissed soon after.
I said Camilla would be treated well and Charles will provide for her should he die first.
William and Harry always have been polite to Camilla.
Camilla would need to show deference to William since he would be the one at the top as King (if Charles predeceases Camilla) not the other way around.
The staircase story has been beaten to death. We are talking two different topic. It's another case of Diana did this or that. It does not IMO excuse what C and C did.
Who said Camilla would have any problem paying deference to the new king or that the new king would abuse that deference? The BRF knows how to behave during and after a transition. They are not some emotional fuse boxes that try to settle old grudges just because someone is widowed.
I did not say that. I just stated a fact. And no way would William and Harry be disrespectful of her and vice versa.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on September 22, 2017, 11:18:09 AM
Who said Camilla would have any problem paying deference to the new king or that the new king would abuse that deference? The BRF knows how to behave during and after a transition. They are not some emotional fuse boxes that try to settle old grudges just because someone is widowed.
IMO Camilla will be treated with the same deference by members of the BRF and other royal house much like any other widowed Queen/Prince Consort should Charles predecease her. (However she doesn't strike me as someone who is terribly concerned about such matters.) Queen Louise of Sweden was in a similar situation as the step-mother/step-grandmother when her spouse King Gustaf VI Adolf predeceased her in 1965.
^ True however Queen Louise was responsible for breaking up the royal couple by being the mistress throughout the marriage. As I said much depends on Charles will and William I think KP will be an option and Camilla does own Raymill herself.
The thing is that neither William nor Harry have ever indicated that they are interested in any kind of revenge agenda. That means that the point about a mistress who broke up a marriage is really not a consideration. They behave as they should and will continue to do so. I do not expect well-adjusted young men, let alone a King trying to punish their father's widow in this way. It is just never going to happen.
More likely, William will discuss with Camilla where she would like to stay. Raymill might be too small for a queen dowager so in all probability it will be Clarence House. BP will be for the king and I am sure Camilla has absolutely zero interest in staying at KP because of its associations.
Charles has already made arrangements to ensure that neither Camilla nor her children will ever want for anything material. In fact, Laura and Thomas have a trust fund for this purpose. There will be no drama about Camilla's accommodation. It will be settled in a civilized manner. The day of vengeance is in some people's minds. None of the people that really matter in this are interested in such schemes.
Actually I was referring to the family treating her with the same deference.
Quote from: Trudie on September 24, 2017, 09:07:18 AM
^ True however Queen Louise was responsible for breaking up the royal couple by being the mistress throughout the marriage. As I said much depends on Charles will and William I think KP will be an option and Camilla does own Raymill herself.
Did you mean to say that Queen Louise was Gustaf VI Adolf's mistress
@Trudie? She was his second wife because his first CP Margaret had died.
Quoten 1923 Crown Prince Gustaf Adolf of Sweden, having been for three years the widower of Louise's mother's cousin Margaret of Connaught, paid a visit to London and, to Louise's surprise, began to court her.[2] Although as a young woman Louise had said that she would never marry a king or a widower, she accepted the proposal of a man destined to be both
From Wikipedia
Quote from: TLLK on September 24, 2017, 03:00:12 PM
Did you mean to say that Queen Louise was Gustaf VI Adolf's mistress @Trudie? She was his second wife because his first CP Margaret had died.
From Wikipedia
No I didn't I meant to say Queen Louise was not his mistress most royal watchers know the tragic story of Margaret of Connaught. It was too early in the morning when I was typing. :orchid: should have been drinking my coffee
^^^LOL I was on my second cup of coffee just now so I understand where you are coming from. :) :orchid:
:hehe:I know TLLK Coffee to me is better than Red Bull
I know my post was long.
Camilla is not , will never be their mother. She will not be The Queen zMother and held so by the country and W and H and their families.
All papers, places, funeral procession for her as Duchess or Queen of England have been taken care of....for whatever the time and case may be.
Same for PC or KingC.
Camilla's things are not going to placed in bags and thrown out. Camilla will never stop W and H from seeing PC or KC depending on his health.
C, PH, PW are all respectful, cordial of each other and each associating nicely as occasion arises in the public like business people do at work. They are on the job and they do the job well.
Let's honest here,. I do not know why some people in their fantasy cannot be real or honest or ignore the FACTS.
There is no mother/ son closesness, or stepmother closeness . Due to circumstances.....this was not some woman who their father married....someone he just dated in the 1989s, some fairytale love story.
Truth be told...
By the time Charles dies while being King and Camilla, QofE, 90 something year Camilla will be at her Raymill house not caring about King William and PH.
As far as I can tell Camilla has never expressed any desire to be a mother figure to W&H. She is not and is not interested in that kind of set up. Camilla has her own family and is quite contended with them.
It is just people who are desperately looking for signs that W&H are snubbing her. Those signs are never going to come. These are mature people, not some kind of emotional headcases who spend their lives plotting revenge.
The fact that William spends time with the Middletons is not a snub. Charles is not the maternal type and does not like children messing up Highgrove. Even Camilla's grand children do not come there although he does engage with them in Birkhall which is more like a holiday home. Likewise anyone that has a son will tell you that once they marry, the family gravitates to the other side. That is just how it is. It is not a snub to Charles or Camilla. Just some people desperately hoping it is.
These people are so ridiculous that they consider it a snub for William to visit his grandmother. "Oh, he is snubbing them because he rode in a car with his grandma instead of C&C". Absolutely ridiculous.
QuoteThere is no mother/ son closesness, or stepmother closeness
@FanDianaFancy -I'm not sure if I can agree with you that it is a fact that the brothers do not have a close relationship with their step-mother. Since none of us are privy to their thoughts and feelings on the subject, I believe that all we can do is have an opinion on their relationship. However if you believe that you have proof regarding their relationship via a statement from either the brothers or Camilla I'd be interested in reading it. :)
A factual statement would be that Camilla is their stepmother but until one of them or Camilla states exactly how things are between them, all we have is speculation.
They were grown ups when Charles married their stepmother. I very much doubt they have a "close" relationship with her. I would say William has a close relationship with his in-laws but not with Camilla. I think William and Harry are polite to her but they don't spend a whole lot of time under the same roof with her.
If they were that close I t hink William would not have said he understood his mother giving the Panorama interview (that same interview where Diana said there were three of us in this marriage). If he was all lovey dovey with the stepmother he would not have even commented on the interview.
William also said that the children will remember they have Two Grandmothers meaning Carole and Diana not Camilla and Carole. That alone speaks volumes.
Ill repeat what Royal what I said here and have posted over and over.
W, H work with Camilla and all they are polite, decent, respectful, cordial. There will never be any good gossip or breaking rank. There will never any talk of ill will from them about each other.
Each member knows his /her place .
Sorry for D fans ,but her sons, who she raised correctly in the short time she had, will not break rank and file nor will their most trusted friends regarding Camilla.
Sorry to disappoint those who believe in the untrue fantasy of the Charles Camilla love story and the BradyBunch ,loving family. She nor her closets will never say what the relationship with WnH is about.
We do have facts before us as proof that all are nice, cordial, and respectful at work. They all work well together in public and are totally professional, business like.
Proof. See pictures of them in public together at work.
Proof. The article that leaked of PC saying he never gets to see his grandchildren.
Proof. W is very close to Mom and Dad ,as he calls them, The Middletons.
Proof. Much to the disappointment of many people, this summer talking about their mother. Read their faces. Etc.
Proof. Each man, W and H, have their own private lives.
Proof.
Well, let's wait and how they will be towards Camilla if PC dies as PofW . If C dies as K and C as TheDowager. Of course all material items are hers from PC or if is KC. The govt will provide RPO, etc for her for life.
W and H do not have to have her in their private lives. If they wish, fine. If they do not, fine
There is no way to see that, in my opinion, because C and C are decades away from death.
My opinion, if C is left as widowed Duchess or the widowed Q, she will retreat to her private home,Raymill with her family. She most likely won't care. She got all she wanted anyway. Charles, if he should die before her whether he is P or K, Camilla and her children are well provided for in cash, jewels, titles, property, history, link for her descendants, etc. I would assume PC has Highrove willed to Camilla which after her death would pass on to her family.
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TLLK, ok, but you only quoted that top sentence and not my explanation.
^^^
@FanDianaFancy -Yes I read your explanation, however it doesn't change the fact that none of us know what their real relationship is like. AFAIK none of us here are close family friends of the Wales, Windsors, Cambridges, Kents, Gloucesters etc...We only see a tiny portion of their interaction.
We can share our opinions as to what we believe, but unless we're privy to that type of information then it can't be labelled as fact. :shrug:
Quote from: TLLK on September 25, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
^^^ @FanDianaFancy -Yes I read your explanation, however it doesn't change the fact that none of us know what their real relationship is like. AFAIK none of us here are close family friends of the Wales, Windsors, Cambridges, Kents, Gloucesters etc...We only see a tiny portion of their interaction.
We can share our opinions as to what we believe, but unless we're privy to that type of information then it can't be labelled as fact. :shrug:
I am not knocking you :hehe:TLLK
We have had this post like yours before . Ok...for sake of debate, then....
Ok then, we really cannot say WnH are that close with Eug,Bea, and The Phillips. We cannot say that WnH are not close with the Spencer's or the Earl.
Do I have proof? Am I there?
We cannot say that Ds Spencer family were not invited to Camilla's party or that they are not close to PC and C. I was not at Camilla's party.
We none can say that WnH are not close to Tom and Laura.
^^^Absolutely 100%agree
@FanDianaFancy with you that we do not know who is close to whom within any royal family because we are not privy to that type of information :friends:. We can speculate about their relationships and quite likely we might be right, but unless they choose to share what goes on with their family interaction we don't have the facts.
This competition as to who is close to who and what they think in private is frankly speaking a bit nuts. W&H have given an interview to say they are happy for their father and his new wife (as they should). Beyond that, it is their private thoughts and nobody's business.
Supporting their mother for panorama is just that...supporting their mother. William said she gave the interview because she had no power options left but that letting in the press was bad because they would never leave. Most people have given that assessment of that interview. How is that then a snub to Charles?
If W&H celebrate their mother on the 20th anniversary of her death, how is that a snub to their father or Camilla? I would also note that those children attended Camilla's birthday within the same month. All these stuff about who is close to who and who is being left out is just speculative mumbo jumbo. Nobody in their right mind spends time plotting revenge on widows or trying to separate their father from his grand children.
The BRF has found their way of dealing with their issues and thankfully we no longer get blow by blow accounts of their internal squabbles.
QuoteThe BRF has found their way of dealing with their issues and thankfully we no longer get blow by blow accounts of their internal squabbles.
IMO the children of the PoW, Princess Royal and Duke of York seem to be less inclined to air their family's internal squabbles (which l all families have) to the press. Perhaps they were paying attention during the 1980's and 1990's and do not want to see a repeat of those years.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on September 26, 2017, 07:04:14 AM
This competition as to who is close to who and what they think in private is frankly speaking a bit nuts. W&H have given an interview to say they are happy for their father and his new wife (as they should). Beyond that, it is their private thoughts and nobody's business.
Supporting their mother for panorama is just that...supporting their mother. William said she gave the interview because she had no power options left but that letting in the press was bad because they would never leave. Most people have given that assessment of that interview. How is that then a snub to Charles?
If W&H celebrate their mother on the 20th anniversary of her death, how is that a snub to their father or Camilla? I would also note that those children attended Camilla's birthday within the same month. All these stuff about who is close to who and who is being left out is just speculative mumbo jumbo. Nobody in their right mind spends time plotting revenge on widows or trying to separate their father from his grand children.
The BRF has found their way of dealing with their issues and thankfully we no longer get blow by blow accounts of their internal squabbles.
The spin was that William was angry at his mother for it. But his statement does counter that spin. The Panorama interview included the infamous "three of us in the marriage" comment, if William is so "close" to Camilla he would not have mentioned it. For that reason.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on September 26, 2017, 07:04:14 AM
This competition as to who is close to who and what they think in private is frankly speaking a bit nuts. W&H have given an interview to say they are happy for their father and his new wife (as they should). Beyond that, it is their private thoughts and nobody's business.
Supporting their mother for panorama is just that...supporting their mother. William said she gave the interview because she had no power options left but that letting in the press was bad because they would never leave. Most people have given that assessment of that interview. How is that then a snub to Charles?
If W&H celebrate their mother on the 20th anniversary of her death, how is that a snub to their father or Camilla? I would also note that those children attended Camilla's birthday within the same month. All these stuff about who is close to who and who is being left out is just speculative mumbo jumbo. Nobody in their right mind spends time plotting revenge on widows or trying to separate their father from his grand children.
The BRF has found their way of dealing with their issues and thankfully we no longer get blow by blow accounts of their internal squabbles.
You were not to Camilla's party. We were not there. We do not know if they went. Per reports, they were due to attend... per gossip reports..per gossip writers. No pictures, so we none know.
I am not knocking you or TLLK.
We have had these post of "We do not know."
Well, then lets close this board because it is useless talk about people we do not know. You do not know Chalres and Cammilla.
I did not know PD.
YES, the boys said they are happy for their father, but that could have been just business talk.
We do not really know that.
The boys celebrated their mothers life, but that could have been just for show. BRF duty. We do not know how they really dislike PD , thinks she was awful as a person, a mother, a wife, a human being, awful in her causes, and just an awful person and they just love them some Camilla.
Maybe they call Camilla, MOTHER, in real life but chose not to say that to the masses for business , BRF pr purposes.
We do not know.
Maybe behind the scenes, PW and PH cannot stand C and are not around their father too much.
I am and was being rude here and in my to TLLK's posts because WE DO KNOW SOME THINGS that are known via BRF reporters who know. We do know some things per the BRF
Come on people. Be honest with yourselves.
I am lost here because C and PC and who is your fav or not ....their worlds are not mine. Their live are not mine. I am NOT that heavily invested and not that personal and offended like some people here.
See my post here about Queen Camilla or DofC, Camilla, whatever she will be when PC dies if he should die before her.
I cannot stand Camilla. Not a fan. HOWEVER, I have posted over and over and over, ...She will be titled Queen Camilla...She was, is a good mother, exwife, etc....If PC pr King C dies before her, she most likely will live her life at HER PRIVATE HOMES of Highgrove AND Raymill and really wont care if PW and PH cut her from their personal lives. Her life, her precious children and grandchildren, history, descendants line are all firmly secure in names, titles/class system, and wealth there in her country.
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Quote from: sandy on September 26, 2017, 03:26:06 PM
The spin was that William was angry at his mother for it. But his statement does counter that spin. The Panorama interview included the infamous "three of us in the marriage" comment, if William is so "close" to Camilla he would not have mentioned it. For that reason.
But sandy, we not know.
Don't you see PW probably said, could have said that just for show? PR. To appeases the crazed 20 years later PD fans , is subjects.
Maybe he and PH really did not want to that stuff , but Camilla and Charles met with them and told them they really needed to do that about that Ridiculous Creature.
YESYES, Camilla could have told them, their MOTHER, that she, their MOTHER as they call her in private, knows they love her CPB, and she is secure and that it would be splendid if they did this to appease their subjects on Barbie.
Was I there? Were you? Was royalanthro? Was TLLK ? No. We were there. We never met with PH and PW in their office to hear them say why, what they were doing for PD and why.
None of them are going to stand in front of a microphone and say who they get along with or who they do not get along with. It is well known that William has adopted the Middletons. Kate and William even skipped a Sandringham Christmas to be with her family.Actions speak louder than words.
No such thing is "well known". As far as I am aware William remains a Windsor. Without the Windsor name, he is a commoner and not entitled to the British throne.
Yes, he does get on with his in-laws and that is a good thing. Does not mean that he has abandoned his family. Likewise I see no problem with Kate preferring to spend time with her young family and her own mum. That too is a good thing. Nobody is complaining or making a fuss about it.
The Cambridges do alternative Christmases with each side of the family. Once again, no snub is intended or taken by the principal parties. They are just being fair to the other side of the family.
I always get intrigued by the need to create drama and conflict where there is clearly none. If someone is happy with their family arrangements, I cannot see what concern is it for others to tell them what they "must really be feeling" or who they must really be snubbing.
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Quote from: TLLK on September 26, 2017, 02:13:57 PM
IMO the children of the PoW, Princess Royal and Duke of York seem to be less inclined to air their family's internal squabbles (which l all families have) to the press. Perhaps they were paying attention during the 1980's and 1990's and do not want to see a repeat of those years.
Clever kids to do that. Don't give the tabloids any more material for their never ending soap opera.
I did not mean adopted literally. No way would that ever happen.
There is no "drama" involved in William enjoying the company of Kate's family.
QuoteThe spin was that William was angry at his mother for it.
The information shared by his Eton housemaster Andrew Gailley was that William was not happy with the press attention that resulted from the Panorama interview. Considering that he was a teenager when it aired, I can understand why he was not happy with it. However as an adult with a better understanding of relationships and an opportunity to reflect upon his parents' separation and divorce, I can see why he'd make that statement understanding her reasons for speaking out in that interview.
IMO William made it clear that he was not happy with the behavior of both parents when he opted to have Tiggy be his guest at Eton's June 4th or speech day instead of his parents.
QuoteWhen it came to deciding whom to invite to the Fourth of June, Eton's equivalent of speech day, he deliberately chose Tiggy — and told his parents that he didn't want them there.
No child likes to his either of his parents being criticized in public, particularly on national television. The mistake that many people make is to imagine that W&H in any way enjoy seeing their father slandered and insulted in the media. They do not and they bitterly resent those who do it. Matters are even worse when you are 14 and your mum is washing the family dirty laundry on national television.
As William has grown, he perhaps has a better perspective of Diana as a wronged woman making a desperate plea for attention and justice; but he also recognizes the dangers of the press. William hates the press for what they did to his mother and continue to do to his father.
Quote from: TLLK on September 26, 2017, 10:51:26 PM
The information shared by his Eton housemaster Andrew Gailley was that William was not happy with the press attention that resulted from the Panorama interview. Considering that he was a teenager when it aired, I can understand why he was not happy with it. However as an adult with a better understanding of relationships and an opportunity to reflect upon his parents' separation and divorce, I can see why he'd make that statement understanding her reasons for speaking out in that interview.
IMO William made it clear that he was not happy with the behavior of both parents when he opted to have Tiggy be his guest at Eton's June 4th or speech day instead of his parents.
No children are happy when their parents split up. William knew both his parents gave interviews and they were breaking up.
I think William must regret his "precious" behavior which I think was disrespectful to his parents. He was acting out because of the parental marital problems but it did not give him the right to disrespect them. I can only imagine how he'd feel if George told his parents they could not come to a school event and pointedly invite Nanny Maria instead. There is such a thing as Karma.
William still said he understood the interview and why she gave the interview. Unlike Charles he does not trash his parents to biographers. He is more decent than his father that way.
Ah those pesky double standards
@sandy. I agree with your statement below:
"Unlike Charles [Diana] he does not trash his parents to biographers [Settlen and Morton]. He is more decent than his father [mother] that way."
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The defense of Diana is so intense that it borders on criticizing her 14 year old son for reacting badly to her media antics. William was not being "precious". He was fed up of being caught in the middle of two immature people that did not have the decency not to get married in the first place or to divorce amicably. The children have no fault in this.
Media antics? What about Papa's antics, he cooperated with Dimbleby on a biography in which he trashed his parents, admitted he never loved his sons' mother, and blamed everyone for his own choices. He gave that interview where he twitched and admitted adultery and told his biographer he was involved with a married woman beginning soon after she delivered her second PB child.
I think William was disrespectful to his parents. That's my opinion and I'm standing by it. As I said if George pulled the same thing on him he would not say good boy George, quite the opposite.
And I say it is disgraceful to blame children for the immature, irrational and damaging behavior of their divorcing parents. William had every right to be angry. Both C&D ought to have thought about what their antics were doing to their children, the monarchy and the country. They were not the first couple to divorce but they behaved as if they were. :thumbsdown:
Quote"Unlike Charles [Diana] he does not trash his parents to biographers [Settlen and Morton]. He is more decent than his father [mother] that way."
I have to agree
@royalanthropologist that William and I'll include Harry have not followed the example set by both Charles and Diana and have not trashed their parents to biographers and interviewers. The brothers have already witnessed the pain that is caused by that type of behavior and seem to have decided that it isn't worth the heartache.
At the time of the Dimbley, Panorama, Morton, Settlen etc...events, neither brother was an adult. They reacted in a manner that is to be expected and has been repeated by many children/teens who are witnessing the behavior of the warring adults. (In my line of work, I see this all too frequently.) :no:
IMVHO this was one of the wake up moments for Charles and Diana as parents. I strongly believe that it made them reconsider how they were behaving in front of their children and ultimately this event and others did impact how they treated each other in public. Things appear to have improved after the divorce and both could behave in a more civil manner when they were together for public events.
QuoteShe and Charles managed to coparent their boys despite lingering drama. The former couple was granted equal access to Prince William and Prince Harry, who were 14 and 11 at the time, respectively. The boys alternated holidays with each of their parents when they weren't attending boarding school. Things seemed to be civil between Charles and Diana as they worked together to coparent their boys after the divorce and up until Diana's death in August 1997.
https://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/What-Did-Princess-Diana-Do-After-Divorce-From-Prince-Charles-43537635
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Anyhow I'm aware that we've drifted off topic again and should return to the topic about BP and Charles.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on September 26, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
And I say it is disgraceful to blame children for the immature, irrational and damaging behavior of their divorcing parents. William had every right to be angry. Both C&D ought to have thought about what their antics were doing to their children, the monarchy and the country. They were not the first couple to divorce but they behaved as if they were. :thumbsdown:
William never said publicly he was "angry." But of course he must have been upset about his parents splitting up. It would have been nicer for him and for Harry to not be children of divorce. But many children come from broken homes in this day and age.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on September 26, 2017, 11:22:04 PM
No child likes to his either of his parents being criticized in public, particularly on national television. The mistake that many people make is to imagine that W&H in any way enjoy seeing their father slandered and insulted in the media. They do not and they bitterly resent those who do it. Matters are even worse when you are 14 and your mum is washing the family dirty laundry on national television.
As William has grown, he perhaps has a better perspective of Diana as a wronged woman making a desperate plea for attention and justice; but he also recognizes the dangers of the press. William hates the press for what they did to his mother and continue to do to his father.
Diana wasn't the only one washing the family your Idol did that one the year before via Dimbleby Sorry to have to point this little blunder of his out to you
Again...another topic turns to CPB, PC, and D by some who ignore facts.
Wrapped in their little fantasies, ugh. I do not understand. The bias. You contradict yourself.
People, please let it go. My opinion is not posted here. Factsfactsfacts.
Factsfactscfactsfacts.
H andW are close enough to PC. They love him. Respect him. Etc. There is no doubt about it.
They and Camilla are decent, cordial, business, etc. of each other and all three , as we say here in the States, they stay in their lane.
Wales, Yorks, Philips will not ever air out BRF dirt. In spite of herself and in spite of hims of, Andrew and Sarah both did well equally raising York girls. Anne did the best of all her siblings with her children who have carved out busy lives of , family , privacy, and career lfor themselves.
Wales really , to be under the media spotlight , have done THANKS to the years , impressionable years Diana had with them and YES, PCs input esp after as well.
PC and D both said it all and how her time on Earth was due to end, good she did say it all.
Those are the factsfactsfacts of her life.
I love lol, when some of you here contradict or omit Dian's words or Charles own words or the timelines, the pictures, etc.
W is very close to his family who are Kate's family. He even calls them Mom and Dad and did so well before they married. Add, well before they married, he would be there at their family home, it was said, for just breathing....catching his breathe, taking a breathe of fresh air, peace...a real family doing and acting like a real family.
W and H , I have said over and over, the ajunors, the Old Lady aHicks and others with the need to side with the Monarch by any means necessary so taking such horrible shots , cursing still a dead woman who cannot defend themselves only hurts W and H.
I get it from the times hundreds of years ago in the nobility, etc., you side with the Monarch.
2017 though. You are going to be picked up the Kings guards and thrown in the Tower while awaiting your turn on the chopping block. Lol, 2017, not 1720.
So back to the topic. Rumor.
Will King Charles and Queen Camilla live in Buckingham Palace?
Yes they will when they have state dinners. When King Charles has to receive the PM , what, once a week,
When K and Q must receive visiting heads of state. Yes.
Buck Palace is historic. Safe. Well guarded. Tourist point of interest . If the Monarch is in, the flag is there or not, what. I forgot. Anyway, tourist look for that. Tourists equals tourism. Money spent by tourists. Add the times for flyovers, etc,, whatever annual events they have at BuckP. The garden party-I can see that on Camilla's diary as her event.
Now, yes, King C and QC will be at Sandringham, Windsor when it is time for there too.
Being at BuckP a few times equalling a few times a year is not a lot for them
He will do as he wants, but certainly, he will be there . Even if he chooses to be there the least number of days, he'll be there.
:goodpost: if I say so myself. :D
Yes I agree
@FanDianaFancy that Buckingham Palace is safe and will remain as an official residence of the monarch and will continue to be used as a gathering space for public events including the garden parties.
Quote from: Trudie on September 27, 2017, 12:33:37 AM
Diana wasn't the only one washing the family your Idol did that one the year before via Dimbleby Sorry to have to point this little blunder of his out to you
Very true. That is why William did not want their drama at one of his events and invited the nanny instead. Of course Diana had already opened fire on Twiggy so it was only a matter of time before she too became another "third person" in the marriage. Diana actually wrote a letter to this effect. Her fans only talk about the accident but they conveniently ignore the part about marrying Twiggy because it is a ridiculous thing to say even for them.
BTW Charles is no idol of mine. Just because I point out the hypocrisies and double standards of those that dislike him does not mean he is my idol.
William in effect created his own drama when he excluded his parents.
Tiggy opened fire on Diana she openly criticized Diana's mothering to the media. She called the boys "her boys" while Diana was still alive. Camilla apparently saw Tiggy as the third person and called her "the Help" and was instrumental in having her sacked. Tiggy barred Camilla from her wedding and only invited Charles and the boys and Camilla and Charles were "together" at that time. Camilla saw her as a threat which speaks volumes. I doubt she liked Charles getting all touchy feely with Tiggy in public. SOmething Camilla and Diana had in common: dislike of Tiggy.
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Quote from: royalanthropologist on September 27, 2017, 06:15:11 AM
Very true. That is why William did not want their drama at one of his events and invited the nanny instead. Of course Diana had already opened fire on Twiggy so it was only a matter of time before she too became another "third person" in the marriage. Diana actually wrote a letter to this effect. Her fans only talk about the accident but they conveniently ignore the part about marrying Twiggy because it is a ridiculous thing to say even for them.
BTW Charles is no idol of mine. Just because I point out the hypocrisies and double standards of those that dislike him does not mean he is my idol.
Yes , mature of PW.
No media looking for C and D and during this time, Camilla had already opened fire on Tiggy.
It was just a matter of time before Tiggy became a "third person" Camilla would have had to deal with and she as only Camilla can protect her place.
Actually, Camilla did deal quickly with the Tiggy issue.
Just because I point out the hypocrisies and double standards of those who dislike Diana, does not mean she is my idol or that I am fanatically bitter against Charles and Camilla.
I just prefer to state the facts and not opinions as facts.
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Quote from: sandy on September 27, 2017, 10:33:39 AM
William in effect created his own drama when he excluded his parents.
Tiggy opened fire on Diana she openly criticized Diana's mothering to the media. She called the boys "her boys" while Diana was still alive. Camilla apparently saw Tiggy as the third person and called her "the Help" and was instrumental in having her sacked. Tiggy barred Camilla from her wedding and only invited Charles and the boys and Camilla and Charles were "together" at that time. Camilla saw her as a threat which speaks volumes. I doubt she liked Charles getting all touchy feely with Tiggy in public. SOmething Camilla and Diana had in common: dislike of Tiggy.
Then, now 20 years dead, Diana is spoken with awful words by people vying for PC s side, the side of power.
Old Lady Hicks comments ,within the last year or so, was awful saying D was crazy, ill suited, etc. for PC.
Tiggy should have been let go when she issued her rant about how Diana gives them, the boys, malls and parks and she gives them guns and fresh air....something to that effect.
Ummmmm, like others then and now, they are encouraged.least feeling comfortable in saying whatever about D.
WAIT. I am not not not not not saying D was a saint. I am not not not not not not not saying D said it all and more about PC , Cammmila, and herself.
YES she did and more.
For hundreds of years and still now, get closet to the Monarch by any means necessary. Turn in your mother, father, daughter , son if you must.
Tiggy s comments were totally out of order about Diana's children . Tiggy was not their mother. This rank and file and class system of Aristos/nobility England is very odd to me. To have another woman, nanny, belittle a mothers way of mothering her children is strange. Tiggy felt very comfortable in that rant and after, nothing happened to her. It should have automatic dismissal. To upsurp the Princess, the mother of the heirs of PC....sadD had every reason to be a nervous wreck about the divorce as for her rights to her children. She was affected by her mother having to leave them. Reality in early 1990s, was that there was no way PC and TPTB could have taken her boys from her.
It was different then from 1500s , etc.
Back to topic. BuckP is for the regeinging monarch
As far as Tiggy, remember Diana's letter, seems maybe both Camilla and Diana were worried about her designs on Charles....also both were in car accidents that year, 97.