BREAKING: Prince Charles and Camilla to visit Singapore, Malaysia and India – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charlesandcamilla/prince-charles-and-camilla-89360)
Clarence House on Twitter: "Just announced: The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall will visit Singapore, Malaysia and India from 30 October - (https://twitter.com/clarencehouse/status/915352377909268482)
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Clarence House on Twitter: "The Royal tour will celebrate the UK?s partnership with these Commonwealth Nations. Full info: https://t.co/ZsQTTmniX5" (https://twitter.com/clarencehouse/status/915352730662768642)
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Charles and Camilla cancel trip to Burma over 'ethnic cleansing': Couple had been due to visit the country as part of tour of Asia next month
Charles cancels trip to Burma over 'ethnic cleansing' | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4946306/Charles-cancels-trip-Burma-ethnic-cleansing.html)
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Prince Charles and Camilla will NOT visit Burma during royal tour after spate of violence
Charles and Camilla will NOT visit Burma during royal autumn tour | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/861903/Charles-Camilla-not-visit-Burma-royal-autumn-tour)
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Prince Charles to visit Malta for George Cross commemoration
Prince Charles to visit Malta for George Cross commemoration | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/862152/prince-charles-malta-george-cross-commemmoration-commonwealth)
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A royal wave! Prince Charles is all smiles as he is welcomed to Malta by the Prime Minister to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the nation being honoured with the George Cross
Prince Charles is welcomed to Malta for his two day visit | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4949380/Prince-Charles-welcomed-Malta-two-day-visit.html)
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Why Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall won't be travelling to Burma
Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall won't be travelling to Burma on their royal tour (http://us.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2017100442940/prince-charles-duchess-of-cornwall-burma-trip/)
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Prince Charles to skip Burma during tour of Asia amid Rohingya violence
Prince Charles to skip Burma during tour of Asia amid Rohingya violence (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/04/prince-charles-skip-burma-tour-asia-amid-rohingya-violence/)
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Prince Charles omits Myanmar from Asia tour amid Rohingya conflict
Prince Charles omits Myanmar from Asia tour amid Rohingya conflict | World news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/04/prince-charles-omits-myanmar-from-asia-tour-after-rohingya-violence)
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Prince Charles visits Malta to commemorate courage shown in Second World War
Prince Charles visits Malta to commemorate courage shown in WWII | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/862263/Prince-Charles-visits-Malta-commemorate-WWII-courage)
Prince Charles and Camilla to begin 11-day tour of Singapore | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/873001/Prince-Charles-Camilla-begin-11-day-tour-of-Singapore)
Taking up the baton! Prince Charles is presented with the emblem of the 21st Commonwealth Games as he arrives in Singapore with Camilla
Prince Charles and Camilla arrive in Singapore | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5031973/Prince-Charles-Camilla-arrive-Singapore.html)
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Prince Charles and Camilla Share Rare Public Kiss as They Reunite to Start 11-Day Trip in Southeast Asia
Prince Charles and Camila Share Rare Public Kiss as They Reunite to Start 11-Day Trip in Southeast Asia (http://people.com/royals/prince-charles-camilla-rare-public-kiss-reunite-to-start-trip-to-southeast-asia/)
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Sealed with a kiss! Charles and Camilla lock lips as they are reunited after arriving separately in Singapore to kick off four-country tour
Prince Charles and Camilla lock lips in Singapore | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5031973/Prince-Charles-Camilla-arrive-Singapore.html)
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Prince Charles and Camilla welcomed by guard of honour in Singapore
Charles and Camilla welcomed by guard of honour in Singapore | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/873436/Prince-Charles-and-Camilla-welcomed-by-guard-of-honour-in-Singapore)
Prince Charles is overcome with emotion as he and a glamorous Camilla honour soldiers who died during the world wars in Singapore
Prince Charles is overcome with emotion in Singapore | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5034583/Prince-Charles-overcome-emotion-Singapore.html)
Court Circular 31/10
The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall today carried out engagements in Singapore.
Their Royal Highnesses were received by The President of the Republic of Singapore at the Istana this morning.
The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall subsequently called upon the Prime Minister of the Republic of Singapore (Mr Lee Hsien Loong) and Mrs Lee.
The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall afterwards visited the Cenotaph and His Royal Highness laid a Wreath.
The Prince of Wales this afternoon attended an Interfaith meeting at the Harmony Centre.
His Royal Highness later visited MacRitchie Reservoir Park.
The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall this evening attended a Dinner given by The President of the Republic of Singapore at the Istana.
The Duchess of Cornwall this afternoon visited Temasek Junior College and received students who have won prizes in The Queen's Commonwealth Essay Prize.
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Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall begin their tour of Asia – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charlesandcamilla/prince-charles-and-the-duchess-of-cornwall-start-off-royaltoursg-90768)
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The Prince Of Wales & Duchess Of Cornwall Visit Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei And India - Day 3 - Zimbio (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/8t-M6kUo2pW/Prince+Wales+Duchess+Cornwall+Visit+Singapore)
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The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall get an orchid named after them – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charlesandcamilla/the-duke-and-duchess-of-cornwall-get-an-orchid-named-after-them-90869)
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Students crowd to see the Duchess of Cornwall – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charlesandcamilla/students-crowd-to-see-the-duchess-of-cornwall-90819)
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Prince Charles and the “monkey guard” – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/other/prince-charles-and-the-monkey-guard-90822)
Prince Charles shows off his vacuuming skills in Singapore
Prince Charles shows off his vacuuming skills in Singapore (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/01/prince-charles-shows-hoovering-skills-singapore/)
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Prince Charles shows his expertise with a vacuum cleaner on Singapore trip
Prince Charles shows his expertise with a vacuum cleaner on Singapore trip | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/873951/prince-charles-singapore-tour-technology-expertise-vacuum-dyson-prince-of-wales)
Prince Charles and Camilla treated to sumptuous afternoon tea at Sultan's residence and meet Nepalese servicemen as they tour Brunei
Prince Charles and Camilla treated to sumptuous afternoon tea at Sultan's residence and meet Nepalese servicemen as they tour Brunei (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/02/charles-camilla-treated-sumptuous-afternoon-tea-sultans-residence/)
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Prince Charles and Camilla receive Gurkha greeting during stopover in Brunei
Prince Charles and Camilla receive Gurkha greeting in Brunei | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/874515/Prince-charles-singapore-news-latest-camilla-gurkha-brunei)
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'It's more tiring as you get older': Worn out Camilla, 70, jokes that she needs to slow down as her hectic 11-day tour of Asia with Prince Charles takes its toll
Camilla jokes about slowing down on Asia tour with Charles | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5042075/Camilla-jokes-slowing-Asia-tour-Charles.html)
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See Every Wacky, Wild Photo of Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall on Their Latest Tour!
Prince Charles and Camilla Brunei, Singapore, India Visit Photos (http://people.com/royals/see-every-wacky-wild-photo-of-prince-charles-and-camilla-duchess-of-cornwall-on-their-latest-tour/)
Camilla is being rude to the hosts and those she visits by pulling those faces, where she lowers the corners of her mouth and stretches out her mouth. Very unflattering. Where are her advisers? Bolland should be along, she seems to have forgotten his advice.
Oh shock horror. A 70 year old woman is reeling from the sunshine and fulls faces as she gets out of the car. It is a constitutional crisis. Quick, let's have her head off. :notamused:
70 year olds are not considered all that old in this day and age. But her pulling those faces was rude. If Diana did that, I think there would be a whole thread with some trashing her for being "unprofessional" and "rude." Camilla should not make faces, it makes her look worse. Whoever is advising her now? I think BOlland would have set her straight.
Of course it was a horrendous thing to do. It overshadowed the entire trip and it was all about the faces Camilla was making when getting out of a car on a hot day. Of course 70 year old are not really that old in this age. They can be compared to someone in their 30s with modern technology. Camilla was very badly advised to show signs of exhaustion on a hot day. Perhaps Mark Bolland ought to do an intervention to rescue the monarchy from this crisis?
There is a close up of Camilla with a really strange expression, her mouth stretched out. These are the sort of things that PR people want to prevent. Bolland worked with Camilla for years and would have counseled her against it. Who are her advisers now? Even Camilla probably would groan at that horrendous picture of her in the DM and other media outlets. Do you think she really felt she was attractive being caught with her face like that?
The Queen is over 90 and probably feels the strain but she would not be caught making faces. It is possible to cope with exhaustion without the gurning.
Camilla should have known better. Yes, he should do an intervention to do her a favor.
If you think she looked "classy" making those faces, that is your choice.
Yes royalanthropologist Cammy is badly advised HM is 91 and even in the hottest days of engagements I have yet to see her pull those faces or anyother royal for that matter. Also I would like to know just what is so exhausting of engagements? it is not like she is working in a factory, restaurant etc all she has to do is shake hands make small talk and look interested not to mention perhaps unveiling the odd plaque. Cammy was lazy in the beginning and is still showing just how lazy she is.
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Quote from: sandy on November 03, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
There is a close up of Camilla with a really strange expression, her mouth stretched out. These are the sort of things that PR people want to prevent. Bolland worked with Camilla for years and would have counseled her against it. Who are her advisers now? Even Camilla probably would groan at that horrendous picture of her in the DM and other media outlets. Do you think she really felt she was attractive being caught with her face like that?
The Queen is over 90 and probably feels the strain but she would not be caught making faces. It is possible to cope with exhaustion without the gurning.
Camilla should have known better. Yes, he should do an intervention to do her a favor.
If you think she looked "classy" making those faces, that is your choice.
Camilla is like Sarah Duchess of York pulling ugly faces two women I would not use the word class to describe.
You mean like these?
https://www.google.com/search?q=one+is+not+amused+queen&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMwN6crKLXAhUHP5oKHeGqAtQQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=662
There comes a time when personal dislike turns into something else entirely. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Camilla. She is the perfect consort and Charles (as well as her hosts) are happy with her presence there. This is just petty nitpicking for the sake of petty nitpicking.
Btw if royal duties are not that strenuous (as you have suggested); do we take it that Diana did completely nothing all her life? After all, it was very simple work that even a 70 year old Camilla ought to do?
It is preposterous to think that Camilla had a meeting with PR people to decide whether or not she was going to show the signs of feeling the heat. I must also highlight the fact that her predecessor once fainted at a state occasion. Was that also a lack of professionalism or was her sickness the goody princessy type that deserved compasssion?
This is getting beyond caricature in my view. It would be amusing if it wasn't a bit sad.
Now the Queen is thrown under a bus to try to elevate Camilla.
It does not change how awful Camilla looks in those photos and I think it rude. LIke a kid unhappy with going to school. She is representing her country on this tour and she should check her "pouty" or "exhausted" expressions at the door.
70 is not old these days. A woman pushing 70 had a grueling Presidential run which puts Camilla's work in the shade.
No it is not preposterous. That is what Bolland did (who by the way referred to Camilla as being lazy) and was paid a lot of $$$$ to do this.
Camilla's expressions look like a caricature.
If you think Camilla looks attractive and classy doing that, that again is your choice.
No. I am not throwing the queen under the bus as you over-dramatically put it. Just highlighting the hypocrisy and double standards in your attempt to elevate the exhausted expressions of a 70 year old woman in a hot foreign country to a major diplomatic crisis. It is not and nobody that really matters has said it is.
To me, this is not about Camilla making faces but something else entirely. That is what I wanted to show. Mountain out of a moll IMO. The visit was a success and the hosts were pleased. Even Charles seemed quite happy to see his wife.
I see you make reference to "classy looks". Camilla's attractions are not primarily based on her looks. She did manage to unseat probably the most beautiful princess ever looking the way she does and with much else besides including personality. I doubt Camilla is going to have a crisis of confidence because she took a bad picture on tour.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on November 03, 2017, 08:14:09 AM
Oh shock horror. A 70 year old woman is reeling from the sunshine and fulls faces as she gets out of the car. It is a constitutional crisis. Quick, let's have her head off. :notamused:
Actually I believe that these are just screen shots from video taken as they arrived. it's a ploy that the media uses knowing that the "photos" will invite readers to click and comment. The DM knows that they have a legion of commenters who will pounce upon these types of articles. Knowing that Camilla has back issues and quite likely osteoporosis, I wouldn't be surprised if she winces now and then.
Here is video of the couple's arrival in Brunei. She is walking down the stairs rather cautiously IMO.
Prince Charles arrives in Brunei with Camilla during Asia tour - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zviAel9ovtM)
Doesn't Charles "see his wife" all the time?
Camilla is getting some flak for this.
Camilla did more than wince.
Camilla seeing off Diana is nothing to be proud of.
Court Circular 1st November:
The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall today carried out the following engagements in Singapore.
Their Royal Highnesses this morning visited Tiong Bahru Wet Market.
The Prince of Wales afterwards attended a Meeting with United Kingdom Defence Advisors and Defence Attachés at the British High Commission.
Their Royal Highnesses this afternoon attended an orchid-naming ceremony at the National Orchid Garden.
The Prince of Wales afterwards visited the Dyson Technology Centre.
His Royal Highness subsequently visited Garçons Nosh Restaurant.
The Prince of Wales later visited Nanyang Academy of Fine Arts.
His Royal Highness afterwards visited the National Gallery of Singapore.
The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall this evening attended a Reception given by His Excellency the British High Commissioner to the Republic of Singapore and Mrs. Wightman at the Residence.
The Duchess of Cornwall this morning visited the Tiong Bahru Community Centre.
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#RoyalVisitMY hashtag on Twitter (https://twitter.com/hashtag/RoyalVisitMY?src=hash) More photos and videos of the couple's visit. They've now landed in Brunei.
The Prince of Wales appears to be doing more than she does. I think she gets plenty of time to rest and she does not have to work a 7 day, 9-5 work week.
Quotehttps://www.google.com/search?q=one+is+not+amused+queen&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMwN6crKLXAhUHP5oKHeGqAtQQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=662
Proof that even being your nation's HoS will not shield you from having an unflattering photo published. In a day and age when technology enables photographers to take many, many photos in a very short period of time, it is impossible for subjects to keep their faces composed continually. Queen Sofia of Spain is another woman who like Elizabeth knows that she cannot control her facial expressions 24/7 and has dealt with these types of photos as well. The press publishes them because they know that they can be manipulated to "prove" their stories and that they're "click bait" worthy.
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Quote from: sandy on November 03, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
The Prince of Wales appears to be doing more than she does. I think she gets plenty of time to rest and she does not have to work a 7 day, 9-5 work week.
Not surprising that the adult heir to the throne typically has more engagements than their consort. It's part of their training for their future role as HoS. I've seen similar schedules with Frederik, Haakon, Victoria, Nahurito and Guillaume when they're abroad and accompanied by their spouse. Often times it involves additional meetings with the host nation's HoS and HoG. (Though I'll admit that of all of the Crown Princess/male consorts, Masako definitely has the lightest schedule due to her on going treatment for her adjustment disorder.)
Funny how things have changed so much with the royals and not in a good way. Royals on appearances did keep up appearances. And I find it ironic at how Diana fainted at an appearance (one) and was trashed by Charles. At least she had an illness going on. Camilla gurns uncomfortably and makes it know she finds it exhausting. The Queen is 91 and she has serious expressions on her face when she watches the races. She does not gurn when she appears before crowd. If Camilla did not make those faces, the media would have nothing. There are also unattractive photos of her eating.
That photo of her turning away food is an obvious airbrush of the Queen
Camilla should know better than:
https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&biw=1536&bih=759&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=i3T8Wf6oNcjUmAHKw4TwCQ&q=camilla+parker+bowles+eating+photos&oq=camilla+parker+bowles+eating+photos&gs_l=psy-ab.3...26986.32043.0.32195.37.33.1.0.0.0.152.2749.21j9.30.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..6.17.1574...0j0i67k1j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.mipClW-grrE#imgrc=ZMiIkWi9EyuWzM:
QuoteFunny how things have changed so much with the royals and not in a good way. Royals on appearances did keep up appearances. And I find it ironic at how Diana fainted at an appearance (one) and was trashed by Charles. At least she had an illness going on.
Diana's fainting spell was unfortunate and a symptom of how serious her eating disorder had become. Yes I agree
@sandy that Charles handled that incident very badly. However we do know that Camilla has ongoing issues with her back pain and it is becoming quite obvious that she has an inherited medical condition- osteoporosis. Also it is obvious to most people that the majority of people in their twenties and thirties have more stamina and energy than most senior citizens. IMHO both ladies should be commended for continuing with their overseas engagements even though it is apparent that they were having medical issues.
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Timeline for Diana's treatment for eating disorder: She sought treatment somewhere around 1988-1989. So when the fainting spell happened in 1986 in Vancouver, she had not yet been diagnosed though her bulimia and binge eating issues were certainly a problem.
@sandy. Storm in a tea cup. The government, queen and Charles appear to be happy with Camilla's work. And THEY are the ones that really matter in terms of making the decision of where she goes and how.
I do agree however with
@TLLK that Charles behaved pathetically when Diana was ill. Instead of being the gentleman, he actually blamed her for falling ill! :thumbsdown:
How the Queen feels is subject to speculation. I think she does not like mugging on tours. She does counsel her family IMO. Like Kate weighting her skirts to prevent wardrobe malfunctions on tours. I don't think the Queen thinks Camilla wears a halo IMO. She was not fond of Fergie's mugging. At the wedding a relative called Fergie "common." I think family members looking 'cute' is anathema to the Queen.
I don't think Camilla has what is called an arduous work schedule. She has servants with her and gets down time on the trip. And there are long breaks between tours, generally.
Quick change for Charles and Camilla as they don their finery for a glittering gala dinner in Kuala Lumpur (as the Duchess is hailed a 'style icon' by shoe designer Jimmy Choo)
Prince Charles and Camilla attend dinner in Kuala Lumpur | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5046937/Charles-Camilla-attend-gala-dinner-Kuala-Lumpur.html)
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Prince Charles appears a reluctant Time Lord as he tries Doctor Who's time machine
Prince Charles appears a reluctant Time Lord as he tries Doctor Who's time machine (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/03/prince-charles-appears-reluctant-time-lord-tries-doctor-time/)
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Prince Charles's and Duchess Camilla's visit to Malaysia
Prince Charles's and Duchess Camilla's visit to Malaysia | NEWMYROYALS & HOLLYWOOD FASHION (http://www.newmyroyals.com/2017/11/prince-charless-and-duchess-camillas.html)
Speech (https://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/news-and-diary/day-five-of-the-autumn-tour-malaysia/speech)
Charles speech in Malaysia
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QuoteThe government, queen and Charles appear to be happy with Camilla's work. And THEY are the ones that really matter in terms of making the decision of where she goes and how.
:goodpost:
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QuoteI don't think Camilla has what is called an arduous work schedule. She has servants with her and gets down time on the trip
Her schedule is actually a typical one for the BRF and other European royal families. :) Like Camilla and other members of the BRF they are accompanied by various staff members during their tours.
@sandy I think the queen has made it pretty clear that she likes what Camilla is doing in her role. Hence all those honors that Diana never got. Certainly she gets on with Camilla much better than her former daughter in law. The "subject to speculation" is a losing argument because virtually everything that is debated on this forum is "subject to speculation. Some people just refuse to face the facts and reality. Fair play to them...but it does not change the reality.
The Queen is known not to like the Fergie-esque mugging of her children, in laws, and so on. Camilla moaning about her workload (which included a food tasting and a gala) and making faces I doubt would appeal to QE II. IF she starts this sort of thing at a Coronation or another event it would get embarrassing.
How do you know if she gets on "better" with Camilla? She would not go to the party Camilla threw for Charles at Highgrove in 1998 nor invited her anywhere near the official birthday for Charles. IT took years for the wedding to take place. If she liked Camilla "better" she certainly would have welcomed her with open arms long before the wedding date. She did not. The Queen Mum would not even receive Camilla.
Camilla got in as the married mistress of the Prince that Charles publicly named. ANd your saying "much better" than Diana is disproved by her waiting so long to admit her to the family. In 2002 Camilla could not even sit with Charles at the Jubilee Celebrations for the Queen. That really shows a great deal of "warmth" (LOL) to that woman.
Subject to speculation is a winning argument unless you sat with HM and she admitted she liked Camilla "much better" than Diana or made any sort of public statement.Of course it's subject to speculation and you have shown you don't like Diana and Camilla is your favorite royal. I would say decidedly it is subject to speculation. Very decidedly since the Queen never went out and bashed DIana and said oh she was Brand X and I like Camilla so much better. The Queen does not go in for such petty behavior. She just made the best IMO of a bad situation.
She was warned about her son's involvement with the married mistress before DIana came along.
NO it is not "facts" and "reality".For all you know the Queen merely tolerates Camilla and is polite to her.
QuoteThe Queen is known not to like the Fergie-esque mugging of her children, in laws, and so on.
Interesting as I've never read any statement from HM on the subject. However I'd be willing to read any published statements that HM made on the topic. :) I believe that HM understands that modern photography allows many, many more photos to be taken in seconds and that photos can be manipulated and published. We've seen several unflattering photos of HM where she was obviously unaware that she was being photographed from a distance. I sincerely doubt that any royal living in the 21st century believes that their family members are doing these things on purpose. :shrug:
Quote from: royalanthropologist on November 04, 2017, 06:27:07 AM
@sandy I think the queen has made it pretty clear that she likes what Camilla is doing in her role. Hence all those honors that Diana never got. Certainly she gets on with Camilla much better than her former daughter in law. The "subject to speculation" is a losing argument because virtually everything that is debated on this forum is "subject to speculation. Some people just refuse to face the facts and reality. Fair play to them...but it does not change the reality.
So why did The Queen make a very public snub refusing to kiss Camilla on the cheek at Williams wedding?. If you need a refresher go to youtube and watch the arrival.
Quote from: TLLK on November 04, 2017, 12:26:29 PM
Interesting as I've never read any statement from HM on the subject. However I'd be willing to read any published statements that HM made on the topic. :) I believe that HM understands that modern photography allows many, many more photos to be taken in seconds and that photos can be manipulated and published. We've seen several unflattering photos of HM where she was obviously unaware that she was being photographed from a distance. I sincerely doubt that any royal living in the 21st century believes that their family members are doing these things on purpose. :shrug:
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It was all in the looks. I have seen photos of her looking at Fergie in a disapproving way when she was mugging.
Camilla should not do the mugging and she's have nothing to worry about in photography selection. Camilla does go in for close ups and poses for them mugging. Even crossing her eyes for one photo.
It has come to something when not kissing someone five year ago is a sign they do not like them. Maybe the queen was in a bad mood? Maybe she did not want to kiss her on that particular day? Who knows?
I actually think this is clutching at claws. If people look hard enough and for long enough, they will eventually find the snubs they have desperately hoping for. I do not believe for a second that the queen would so honor someone she hates.
The bottom line is that Camilla is in a much better position and far better liked in that family than Diana was.
BTW I can also play the game of "spot the photo opp to support my argument":
Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall made Dame Grand Cross of Royal Victorian Order by Queen | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127112/Camilla-Duchess-Cornwall-Dame-Grand-Cross-Royal-Victorian-Order-Queen.html)
That does not look to me like someone that is merely "tolerating" her. It seems to me like two women who get along because they share interests and know how to conduct themselves in public.
Diana knew how to conduct herself in public. She was a fantastic Princess of Wales. No pulling faces in public for her, or showing her bare behind in public at an airport like Kate.
I don't think anyone would have minded Camilla having a past if she hadn't interfered fulltime in her old boyfriend's marriage. And, however badly it was going, the two of them were sleeping together (and having midnight trysts) before Charles was separated. The fact that she waited for Diana to make mistakes, to self-destruct, at the same time characterising her as 'that ridiculous creature' and other names just seems incredibly calculating and cold to me, rather like a vulture eyeing vulnerable prey and waiting for it to stumble. Yes. She knew how to play the game all right. That's always what I can't stand about Camilla. I've never been able to warm to her and I never will.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on November 04, 2017, 12:42:26 PM
It has come to something when not kissing someone five year ago is a sign they do not like them. Maybe the queen was in a bad mood? Maybe she did not want to kiss her on that particular day? Who knows?
I actually think this is clutching at claws. If people look hard enough and for long enough, they will eventually find the snubs they have desperately hoping for. I do not believe for a second that the queen would so honor someone she hates.
The bottom line is that Camilla is in a much better position and far better liked in that family than Diana was.
BTW I can also play the game of "spot the photo opp to support my argument":
Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall made Dame Grand Cross of Royal Victorian Order by Queen | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127112/Camilla-Duchess-Cornwall-Dame-Grand-Cross-Royal-Victorian-Order-Queen.html)
That does not look to me like someone that is merely "tolerating" her. It seems to me like two women who get along because they share interests and know how to conduct themselves in public.
Camilla makes those odd faces and mugs. The Queen gave Fergie disapproving stares when she did that. If she had been on the appearances with C and C I think Camilla would have controlled the impulse to mug.
Diana got awards from the Queen.
Camilla got the "order" because she married the Prince of Wales.
I doubt the Queen is thrilled with the woman especially the way she got into the royal family. Putting down the wife seemed to work wonders for Camilla.
I would think Diana is "better liked" than Camilla by her royal sons. You can't generalize about the royals.
@sandy. I have never ever suggested that Diana's sons in any way, shape or form prefer Camilla to their own mother. That is one of the most ridiculous things to conceive and I am certain I have not said such a thing. If you read my posts, you will notice that I always say "with the notable exception of her sons" who would naturally prefer their mother. The rest of the royal family however was thoroughly fed up with Diana's antics. Some had sympathized with her at first but soon lost patience with her manipulations and outbursts.
BTW. That order is given to people for "services to the queen". It is not given by Charles and the queen is not under duress to give it. As Kate has learnt, the queen is quite capable of withholding honors for some time as she studies someone. Camilla is the first and only British Princess by marriage to ever have been appointed to the Privy Council. She was made a Dame Grand Cross by the queen, an honor that is entirely within her gift. She got all these despite have been married to POW for a shorter period than Diana was at the time. That is not a sign of a woman that just about tolerates Camilla or is making the best of a bad situation.
After the 2005 wedding, the queen is reported to have made a speech that was quite telling. This was a family that was happy to see Charles happy at last after the nightmare of the 1990s. The queen is thrilled to see her son happy with the woman he loves and who loves him back. That is what most mothers want for their children. Nobody wants their children to be married to someone that hates, disrespects and undermines them like Diana did to Charles in her later years. Indeed, it is the queen that ordered the divorce. She was fed up with the wronged woman routine that Diana had adopted as her signature move.
@Curryong. Diana too had her moments. There are plenty of images of her behaving in ways that fall beyond the standards of a person in her position. Korea was a classic example. You can always catch someone in a compromising pose if you look hard enough and if you have an agenda to show them up. Camilla is doing just fine in her role.
The Duchess of Korma! Smiling Camilla dons a pinny and rolls up her sleeves as she serves chicken curry to orphans in Malaysia (but still gets sauce on her scarf!)
Camilla serves chicken curry to orphans in Malaysia | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5049209/Smiling-Camilla-dons-pinny-rolls-sleeves.html)
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All hail King Charles! Prince looks VERY comfortable on the throne as he and the Duchess of Cornwall are feted in Malaysia on royal tour
Duchess of Cornwall mobbed by children in Kuala Lumpur | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5045861/Duchess-Cornwall-mobbed-children-Kuala-Lumpur.html)
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Duchess Camilla visited Lighthouse Children's Welfare Home
Duchess Camilla visited Lighthouse Children's Welfare Home | NEWMYROYALS & HOLLYWOOD FASHION (http://www.newmyroyals.com/2017/11/duchess-camilla-visited-lighthouse.html)
I am not sure the Queen would be pleased calling him King Charles. Somewhat premature.
Flying solo! Duchess of Cornwall gets warm welcome during Kuala Lumpur school visit amid hectic 11-day tour of Asia
Camilla gets warm welcome during Kuala Lumpur school visit | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5045597/Camilla-gets-warm-welcome-Kuala-Lumpur-school-visit.html)
Prince of Wales addresses 60 years of UK/Malaysia ties – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charlesandcamilla/prince-of-wales-addresses-60-years-of-ukmalaysia-ties-90996)
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Whilst in Malaysia, The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall attended a gala in Kaula Lumpur to celebrate 60 years of UK/Malaysia business ties. Before the dinner, Their Royal Highnesses met fashion designer Jimmy Choo who praised the Duchess as a fashion icon.][/quote]
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QuoteYou can always catch someone in a compromising pose if you look hard enough and if you have an agenda to show them up
@royalanthropologist-And the tabloids will always find a way to maximize their profits with these types of lucrative stories.
Nearly every royal has had one written about them. Anne is too grumpy, Fergie was too enthusiastic, Charles and Diana were too petulant and cross in Korea etc... Unless the government complains or is forced to apologize for a royal's remarks ie: Phillip, I doubt they're too concerned about the day to day photos that are taken when royals are on their domestic/foreign engagements.
Charles hunts for the next quinoa: Prince helps launch new network that hopes to find unfashionable items that could help feed millions of people
Charles hunts for the next quinoa | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5052781/Charles-hunts-quinoa.html)
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Into the jungle! Prince Charles feeds a 5ft orangutan as he and Camilla are given a colourful tribal welcome into the rainforest in Borneo
Prince Charles and Camilla are welcomed in Borneo | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5053497/Prince-Charles-Camilla-given-colourful-welcome.html)
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Prince Charles is king of jungle as he learns how to blow darts like Borneo tribesman
Prince Charles is king of jungle as he learns how to blow darts like Borneo tribesman (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/06/prince-charles-king-jungle-learns-blow-darts-like-borneo-tribesman/)
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Prince Charles gets physical with orangutan and fires poisonous dart from blowpipe
Prince Charles touches hands with orangutan in Borneo rainforest | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/876046/Prince-Charles-Malaysia-visit-Camilla-Cornwall-Borneo-royal-news-orangutan)
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The king of the swingers and the jungle VIP
The king of the swingers and the jungle VIP - ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/2017-11-06/prince-charles-is-king-of-the-jungle-as-he-takes-aim-with-traditional-blowpipe-on-malaysia-visit/)
No flood will stop Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall on their one-day stop to Penang – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charlesandcamilla/no-flood-will-stop-prince-charles-and-the-duchess-of-cornwall-on-their-one-day-stop-to-penang-91125)
Barefoot luxury! Charles and Camilla don elaborate silk shawls - but remove their shoes - as they're welcomed by Malaysian communities on their VERY action-packed royal tour
Charles and Camilla are welcomed by Malaysian communities | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5057221/Charles-Camilla-welcomed-Malaysian-communities.html)
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Charles and Camilla honoured with gifts on visit to Hindu temple
Charles and Camilla honoured with gifts on visit to Hindu temple | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/876469/Charles-Camilla-honoured-gifts-Hindu-temple)
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Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall celebrate Malaysia's diversity on Royal tour
Royal tour: Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall celebrate Malaysia's diversity | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/876396/Royal-Prince-Charles-Duchess-of-Cornwall-Malaysia-Royal-tour-Temples-diversity)
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Charles and Camilla touch down in VERY heavy smog in New Delhi - where pollution is so high the city has been likened to a 'gas chamber'
Prince Charles and Camilla touch down in New Delhi | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5061357/Charles-Camilla-touch-New-Delhi.html)
Prince Charles's India trip overshadowed by Paradise Papers leaks
Prince Charles?s India trip overshadowed by Paradise Papers leaks | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/877067/Prince-Charles-royal-news-Paradise-Papers-India-trip)
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Prince Charles and Camilla visit Delhi where air is as bad as 'smoking 50 cigarettes a day'
Prince Charles and Camilla visit Delhi where air is as bad as 'smoking 50 cigarettes a day' - ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/2017-11-08/prince-charles-and-camilla-visit-delhi-where-air-is-as-bad-as-smoking-50-cigarettes-a-day/)
:( Awful air conditions in New Delhi.
And some numpties have the gall to tell us climate change does not exist. :notamused: Everywhere we are seeing the signs that unfettered industrialization harms lives and communities.
Charles and Camilla pay respects to India's fallen at war memorial ceremony as tour ends
Charles and Camilla pay respects to India's fallen at war memorial | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/877504/Charles-Camilla-war-memorial-ceremony-pay-respects-India-s-fallen-tour-ends)
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Charles praises Commonwealth: Diversity can help counter globalisation
Prince Charles praises Commonwealth: Diversity can help counter globalisation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/877514/Prince-Charles-royal-news-praises-Commonwealth-diversity)
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When I'm king I'll build a fort, jovial Prince Charles tells Indian schoolchildren
When I'm king I'll build a fort, jovial Prince Charles tells Indian schoolchildren (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/09/king-build-fort-jovial-prince-charles-tells-indian-schoolchildren/)
Prince Charles backs new education bond for India - The Hindu (http://www.thehindu.com/education/prince-charles-backs-new-education-bond-for-india/article20002847.ece)
Wow, you guys are dueling and missing the most delicious question of all for the India trip...will C&C make an appearance at the Taj Mahal??? Can you imagine the media storm that would erupt, it would be dimbleby squared or something. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Also on the subject of ppl looking wilted, even our dear lovely Diana, English Rose that she was, was not best suited for warm, humid climates, and if you search around the trips of the same areas you'll find pics of her looking rather wilted.
I hate the fact that ive been drug in to seemingly defend Camilla, but imo the better attack for the Diana fans to do with Camillas comments about her being tired, etc. is that she could have avoided that by staying in the background, and shes now getting a taste of what it was like for Diana having to shlep around the world. Granted theres an age difference, but you get the idea, it wasnt all just dressing like a barbie doll, as she used to call Diana.
As for the whole fainting issue, yes Charles did behave horribly about it, I think he didnt understand it, and thought it was either a lack of discipline or will to have not been able to stay conscious. Also he/they were trying to hide the whole fiction, so while id like a few minutes in a locked room with him over it, I do kind of understand why the subterfuge was necessary, but when you see her in the Nat Geo doc looking around bewildered and lost at that nights engagement, it makes me very cross over the whole thing.
You are out of date, Duch_. C&C are home from their trip, and have participated in Remembrance Day celebrations Sunday. So they forewent their romantic photo op at the Taj! And Yes, Camilla feels the heat and wilted and pulled a few faces. These full on Royal tours aren't such fun as they're painted.
i saw them at the remembrance day service so I knew they were back, I just thought it was interesting it seems noone either in the forum or the press thought about mentioning the Taj Mahal. Maybe they wernt near it on their trip, I didnt bother to check the itinerary, but given that C&C sometimes like to thumb their nose at Diana fans, id have thought theyd have used the trip as an occasion to do so. Perhaps even they realised after the press over Diana's 20th anniversary of her passing it wasnt the best time to do so.
Who are these "Diana fans?" Maybe non "Diana fans" would not like to see C and C at the Taj Mahal. Or just plain don't care.
I thought of it for about a minute and that was that.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on November 12, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
i saw them at the remembrance day service so I knew they were back, I just thought it was interesting it seems noone either in the forum or the press thought about mentioning the Taj Mahal. Maybe they wernt near it on their trip, I didnt bother to check the itinerary, but given that C&C sometimes like to thumb their nose at Diana fans, id have thought theyd have used the trip as an occasion to do so. Perhaps even they realised after the press over Diana's 20th anniversary of her passing it wasnt the best time to do so.
India was the last two days of the tour and this was Charles' ninth trip to India. He's been to most of their major cities and sites. From what I recall, Charles and Camilla were last in India in 2013 for an official tour. Regarding any side trips, it's about 220km between New Delhi and the Taj Mahal, so it doesn't appear to be a quick "photo op."
I do know that Belgium's Phillipe and Mathilde were the latest royal pair to be photographed on that bench with the Taj Mahal in the background. :crazylove:
Why would they go to the Taj Mahal?
Charles did say when he was younger that he would one day bring his wife to Taj Mahal. I understand he has ever brought Camilla but by the time he and Diana came the marriage was too far gone down the drain for them to appear together.
She used it as a successful photo op and he stayed away on business. There were some poignant PR pictures I think which the press interpreted as Diana saying "I am alone and abandoned". When C&C visited, many wondered whether they would repeat the pose but together. They did not.
I dare say C&C are far too secure in their relationship now to engage in the kinds of antics that C&D did then.
Diana was not "alone and abandoned." And never would have been had she lived.
She looked great posing in that photo.
Wrong.
people.com/royals/the-story-behind-princess-dianas-iconic-1992-taj-mahal-photo/
When Princess Diana visited the Taj Mahal: The story behind THAT photo - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-visited-taj-mahal-7702956)
Quote from: royalanthropologist on November 13, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
Charles did say when he was younger that he would one day bring his wife to Taj Mahal. I understand he has ever brought Camilla but by the time he and Diana came the marriage was too far gone down the drain for them to appear together.
in the kinds of antics that C&D did then.
I shoudlnt' think he's brought Camilla there, no. I dont know for sure, but i doubt it given the fact that Diana DID do her posing and showing herself "alone and deserted by hr husband" at that spot. So i can't see him taking Camilla there and giving the press a chance to go on about it again.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on November 13, 2017, 11:49:29 AM
Wrong.
people.com/royals/the-story-behind-princess-dianas-iconic-1992-taj-mahal-photo/
When Princess Diana visited the Taj Mahal: The story behind THAT photo - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-visited-taj-mahal-7702956)
No right.
By that time they were leading separate lives. Diana was smiling and looked great. She was not in the sackcloth and ashes or in a big black mourning outfit weeping for her husband.
That was also the time she turned her head when Charles tried to kiss her (hardly the signs of a woman pining for her husband). She made it clear how she felt. This was 1992 not 1985!
Maybe it was nostalgic to think of what could have been. But this was 1992 , Diana had said her "life is torture" because Charles increasingly became dismissive and hostile to her. Diana was not the masochist you seem to want her to have been.
Diana was no the pathetic creature royal you keep trying to depict her as. She had her friends, she had her children. She was not tossed out like yesterday's garbage. I think in a way she was needling Charles.
I think Charles would not have wanted to pose with Camilla because it would dredge up the past...again. Camilla's bio by Junor was overkill and reminded people of what happened. I think it would have been foolish for them to even think of doing it.
And the Morton book was going to be out soon after...
@sandy you say:
"I think in a way she was needling Charles."
I have always said as much but you keep denying it and now you are just confirming it. Diana's post separation life was dominated by a desire to revenge and upstage. She lived on PR scoops. This was not some independent divorce getting on with her life. It was still the abandoned child whose toy had been taken away and who wanted to smash that toy so that the other person does not get to play with it.
Then you say: "She was not tossed out like yesterday's garbage."
Good one. So Charles did not actually toss her out "like yesterday's garbage"? That is a welcome change in perspectives because all along I thought Diana had been used and dumped. That is what she always told everyone that would listen and some of her fans have continued the trend.
As for the Taj Mahal photo itself, it was a masterpiece in gesture and manipulation. The tilted look , soulful eyes etc. All designed for effect. There was not a single authentic thing about that photo. All of it was staged.
I actually think Charles was wrong to try and kiss Diana at that presentation. When you finish with someone you finish with them completely. No mucking about. He should just have taken the prize and left it at that. Diana was quite right to turn away. There was no affection between them and it was silly to pretend. However, it would have been better if she had not turned up at all. Just end it and move on. Don't turn up and behave like a spoilt brat.
No I did not deny it. I said during the War of the Wales they did try to upstage the other. Read my posts. I said early on Diana wanted to please Charles by doing well in work and she was popular with his getting jealous. Two different times, royal. Two different attitudes. When I said she did not do it I was referring to the early years. Even her first walkabout the public took to her. I was speaking of Charles being jealous of his own wife who was then barely out of her teens. Please read the posts before jumping to conclusions.
Charles was having his friends leak stories about Diana, he was openly scornful of her and put her down during this time period. He was not exactly Mr Nice Guy to her. He showed bitterness and resentment of her and put her down as having a "little mind."
I was talking about your constant talk about Diana being "bitter" in her later years. Again you are talking another topic. I disagreed with you about Diana being "bitter" she was looking forward to the future. You appear to have wanted her to be a pariah and rejected by all. Yes, like yesterday's garbage.
I did say Diana could not be tossed out by the family, she had two royal sons. You kept saying she was "exiled" or words to that effect.
Charles tossing her aside is a different story, you were talking about the entire family exiling her. Two different topics again.
Diana did not want to go to the event in the first place. She was talked into it. Charles did a lot more than his share of acting like a spoiled brat. His way or the highway.
The royals DO have staged photographs. I would say most of them are. And not "spontaneous." They have PR people. MEghan's showing up at Invictus was pre planned as are other photo ops.
Do yiou raelly think the RF wanted to keep her as part of their circle, once she had gone as far as she did, in attacking Charles? THEy would not completely "throw her out" because she was still the mother of 2 princes and they did feel at first I think that she had some genuine call for anger at Charles. But when she kept on with the rows and the upstaging and the general hostile attitude, the queen got increasingly fed up and only kept up a minimal contact, for PR purposes. They knew it would look bad if she was never invited to royal events and was only "allowed in" on the rarest of occasions. But as time passed and as the boys grew older, I think that Diana's contacts with the RF would have grown less and less.
She would have been all but "exiled". She was invited fror Christmas, and didn't stay beyond the church appearance.. and in due course I think if she'd been invited at all it would have been like Fergie was....
Charles attacked her too. In many ways, put downs and admitting to his biographer he never loved her. He was no Mr Innocent in all of this.
Charles did that Dimbleby interview over a year before the Bashir interview and he via the Dimbleby book trashed his own parents.
No, as long as the boys were involved she would not be seen "less and less." William for one thing is a future King. Fergie's children will probably never be used for royal duties in future. Big difference.
The big difference is that Fergie was caught fooling around very very publicly. and so I think the queen felt that as she had doen that and lost popularity, it wouldn't look bad to sideline her. If Diana had become less popular, and she was going that way, and the boys were growing older and needed to be seen more in the Royal life, rather than private life, Diana would have been only invited to a few big occasions.
Diana did not become "less popular." As I recall she was very popular. I disagree that she was not "going that way." I think it was more C and C slipping down in popularity.
I think Diana would have been invited to every event involving her royal sons. why wouldn't she be?
[gmod]Many of these posts have nothing to do with Charles & Camilla visiting Asia :shrug: They are now home and this thread is locked.[/gmod]
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