Good news for the conservatives, the monarchists. Boris Johnson landslide win.
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Corbyn apocalypse! Ashen-faced John McDonnell concedes DEFEAT as Labour plummets to its worst EVER general election result with the party set to win just 191 seats
Jeremy Corbyn is on course to lead Labour to its worst ever set of general election results as an ashen-faced John McDonnell said the exit poll numbers were 'extremely disappointing'
Serves them right! They should have carried out the peoples vote with Brexit, they wouldn't be in this situation.
No electoral results in just yet, but yes this is the 'Brexit election' and the people have delivered their verdict, according to the exit poll put up by the TV media the Tories are going to have an emphatic victory. The other winners are the Scottish National Party. I expect Corbyn to resign now. An unpopular leader (as was Boris) but Labour shouldn't have offered another referendum! Boris likely to go for a hard Brexit.
Wow! This is a big day for England! :partaay:
Yes, it's a big day for Scotland too, though they didn't get quite the number of seats predicted in that opinion poll. (They will be demanding another independence referendum in the wake of this, though they're not likely to get it. Labour got about a dozen more seats than predicted, but still a disastrous result. (As I'm typing this there are nine seats left to be declared.) And Corbyn is to resign, eventually.
The Tories have gained 80 seats, to a total of 364, with this majority they can pass Brexit (and any other law, issues that were stagnant, new ones too).
The Labour party lost 60 seats, which caused JC to resign as their leader (he resigned this morning BST). Some of the seats they lost were labour strongholds for more than 70 years. That is quite remarkable.
UK election results: Pound and stocks surge as Tories form government ? latest news | Financial Times (https://www.ft.com/content/470b4c60-706e-3a62-927e-40ce5ed6f97a)
A few articles from an hour ago. Nicola Sturgeon (leader of the Scottish Nats) is very very anxious for Scotland to join the EU. However the EU isn't eager to return the compliment, judging by remarks made by their leaders following the independence referendum last time!
@Curryong-Is it typical to see a change in leadership within the parties after most defeats or are they typically limited to the big losses? I am aware that after the Scottish independence failure that there was a change of leadership for SNP and post Brexit voting that David Cameron stepped down as the Tory leader.
Quote from: TLLK on December 13, 2019, 02:16:51 PM
@Curryong-Is it typical to see a change in leadership within the parties after most defeats or are they typically limited to the big losses? I am aware that after the Scottish independence failure that there was a change of leadership for SNP and post Brexit voting that David Cameron stepped down as the Tory leader.
Generally leaders who have lost an election especialy if it has been really disastrous, step down and make way for a more successful leader...
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The twentysomethings about to enter the Commons will make Westminster ?the gayest parliament in the world?, Grant Tucker and Rosamund Urwin report.
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Excellent result for monarchists.
Bit of a squabble has broken out in Labour Party ranks following the election defeat, as certain Membes position themselves for a leadership spill.
Corbyn is supposedly resigning in January. Most political leaders resign within 24 hours after a drubbing like that of Dec 12th, but Corbyn seems strangely reluctant to depart. Momentum, the very far left group in Parliamentary Labour ranks, apparently begged him to stay on for a while and the vain old codger succumbed to their arguments.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/civil-war-erupts-within-labour-as-possible-leadership-contender-threatens-to-sue-20191216-p53kkg.html
Quote from: Curryong on December 20, 2019, 02:04:39 AM
Bit of a squabble has broken out in Labour Party ranks following the election defeat, as certain Membes position themselves for a leadership spill.
Corbyn is supposedly resigning in January. Most political leaders resign within 24 hours after a drubbing like that of Dec 12th, but Corbyn seems strangely reluctant to depart. Momentum, the very far left group in Parliamentary Labour ranks, apparently begged him to stay on for a while and the vain old codger succumbed to their arguments.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/civil-war-erupts-within-labour-as-possible-leadership-contender-threatens-to-sue-20191216-p53kkg.html
are you really surprised that Corbyn does not want to go?? Im not.
British PM Johnson wins vote on Brexit deal in time for Christmas - Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu/british-pm-johnson-wins-vote-on-brexit-deal-in-time-for-christmas-idUSKBN1YN2T5?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29)
MPs vote by 358 to 234 to back Boris Johnson?s Brexit bill to leave EU on 31 January
- BBC
The race is on to replace Corbyn. All the candidates are below. My money is on Keir Starmer, but we shall see. The Left of the Party is in some disarray.
The runners and riders in the race to replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader | Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com.au/who-wins-race-candidates-replace-jeremy-corbyn-as-labour-leader-2019-12?r=US&IR=T)
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I agree on Keir Starmer. He seems to be the only one living in reality plus he?s a moderate by Labour standards. They need more centre ground. Corbyn?s far left view for Britain has been emphatically rejected.
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@PrincessOfPeace -What is a "shadow cabinet?" I noticed that many of the proposed replacements are mentioned as members of the shadow cabinet.
A shadow cabinet are members of the parliamentary opposition assigned to shadow cabinet ministers in government. Shadow meaning to hold that particular member of government to account.
So the shadow Home Secretary is assigned to hold the cabinet secretary to account and be responsible for that brief.
@PrincessOfPeace -Thank you for the explanation because I have a limited knowledge of a parliamentarian form of government. :)
A Shadow Cabinet is appointed by the Opposition Leader in the House of Commons to occupy the equivalent of Government ministerial positions. Each Minister appointed by the Prime Minister (Foreign, Education, Transport etc) has its equivalent in the Opposition ranks. A Parliamentary Opposition has to be ready at all times to challenge Govt decisions in all sectors and take over Government if necessary.
Thank you
@Curryong. I truly appreciate the information to better understand how other forms of government work.
Quote from: TLLK on January 06, 2020, 07:33:32 PM
Thank you @Curryong. I truly appreciate the information to better understand how other forms of government work.
its different in the US, wehre a new President brings in his own staff.... ? That's how your Govt works..
The pictures and scenes look like a Happy New Year :D
Got Brexit done! The UK finally leaves the EU as Britons across the country celebrate | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7954151/Got-Brexit-UK-finally-leaves-EU-Britons-country-celebrate.html)
The Dawn of the New Era.
And so a new era begins. I wonder if we'll see other nations choosing to leave the European Union in the future?
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Au revoir! Two Royal Navy ships send French fishermen scurrying back home after one of them RAMS a British boat - but Boris says gunboats will remain off Jersey as bitter row over fishing rights escalates
Tense situation between the UK and France. This happening before the G7, yikes.
The French boats pulled out. The Royal Navy will remain in a just in case mode.
In gun boat diplomacy, 2 large Royal Navy ships trump a small French patrol boat.
Post-Brexit rules that kicked in on Friday last week means French fishing vessels now need a licence to fish the waters around Jersey, which are issued by the island's government
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/06/15/42603316-9550051-Post_Brexit_rules_that_kicked_in_on_Friday_last_week_means_Frenc-a-33_1620310338038.jpg)
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on May 06, 2021, 04:59:11 PM
In gun boat diplomacy, 2 large Royal Navy ships trump a small French patrol boat.
:nod:
Personally, I would be outta there.
This is a rather fascinating development. Those islands have been a point of contention for the last 1000 years.
Reminds me of the Canada -US- France issues on the Grand Banks
It?s to do with fishing rights and Brexit not territorial aggression. I don?t imagine any war is about to break out! Per fishing and Brexit there have been a couple of incidents off the coast of Norway involving fishing vessels of the two nations in the past year.
Nor do I. But there are going to be some very busy lawyers and policy makers
Australia is facing a Federal election in another couple of months, so I thought I?d keep a bit of a record about the run up to it and the issues involved.
Morrison?s approval dives over vaccine rollout, grants and Brittany Higgins fallout, poll suggests | Essential poll | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/21/morrisons-approval-dives-over-vaccine-rollout-grants-and-brittany-higgins-fallout-poll-suggests)
Labor leads Coalition 56-44% and Morrison slumps dramatically in first 2022 Newspoll (https://theconversation.com/labor-leads-coalition-56-44-and-morrison-slumps-dramatically-in-first-2022-newspoll-175994)
Newspoll is the most important and accurate survey in Aus on voter concerns, and the Morrison Govt is in trouble over Covid issues and the environment. Supermarket shortages due to staff and delivery chain issues loom large. The Govt is ahead on its stance with China and on economic management.
More bad news for the Morrison Govt in Australia. Labor is on track to romp it home.
Labor leads Coalition 55-45 in latest Newspoll as Greens slump (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2022/02/13/labor-coalition-newspoll/)
Support for the Coalition and ALP has not changed in the latest Newspoll despite Prime Minister Scott Morrison experiencing a week to forget in Parliament.
Surveying 1526 voters nationally between February 9 and 12, the exclusive poll for The Australian newspaper released on Sunday night found the Coalition?s primary vote remains on a record low of 34 per cent as Labor continues to peak on 41 per cent.
But a three-point slump for the Greens (11 per cent to 8 per cent) and a corresponding rise in support for independents and minor parties to a record 14 per cent left the two-party-preferred result at 55-45.
Pauline Hanson?s One Nation remained steady at 3 per cent.
Overall, the two-party-preferred result represents a 6.5 per cent swing against the Coalition government on the 2019 election, which translates to a loss of 22 seats for the Coalition if replicated at the election that is due by the end of May.
Covid decisions affects politics. Twitter went crazy last week. Morrison stating on video that all covid decisions weren't federal but state.
ETA: In the video the media asked him about Canberra protest (similar to Canadian truck protestors) and Djokovic, his reply was what mentioned in the ^Above sentence, basically all the blame is state decisions rather than federal, he avoided replying about the special powers of Hawke.
Quote from: wannable on February 14, 2022, 02:49:59 PM
Covid decisions affects politics. Twitter went crazy last week. Morrison stating on video that all covid decisions weren't federal but state.
ETA: In the video the media asked him about Canberra protest (similar to Canadian truck protestors) and Djokovic, his reply was what mentioned in the ^Above sentence, basically all the blame is state decisions rather than federal, he avoided replying about the special powers of Hawke.
The Morrison Govt received criticism and resentment from large sectors of the Aus population about the slow rollout of other vaccines than AZ, such as Pfizer, but there have been other decisions such as a slow response to sexual attacks on young female staffers in Parliament House itself that haven?t cast his govt ministers in a very good light.
The Australian Federal Govt is/was responsible under its aegis for buying Covid vaccines from overseas from the beginning. They are responsible for the importation of these vaccines, which they then distribute to the various States and Territories. That sort of responsibility for Health (ie vaccines) has been there since at least WW2. The States and Territories then implement the vaccine jabs for their own populations via Health Centres and pharmacies. That vaccine administration has also been so for at least 70 years.
Why would Morrison mention Hawke, the Minister for Immigration when speaking about the spread of Covid? Hawke isn?t the Fed Health Minister.
And you are completely barking up the wrong tree if you believe that the Djokovic decision has had any impact whatsoever on the forthcoming election. Economic issues dealing with coming out of this pandemic are at the forefront. Djokovic isn?t ever mentioned on any political TV or radio programme I?ve listened to in the past weeks. The Religious Discrimination bill led to Liberal MPs crossing the House to vote against it. It all leads to the image of a Govt tired and not really leading.
iview (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/morrison-misled-by-moderate-liberals-on-religious-discrimination/100821902)
The Canberra so-called Freedom protesters haven?t caused any serious disruption to the country and their noisy protests have been a side show.
Novak was discussed yesterday, senate grilling home office. It will be continued, as the day closed.
Before the senate grilling (day) closed, they asked the Home Office Committee to show the document where Novak Djokovic has been entered in the International List of Incitement to Civil Unrest.
Apparently Home office has taken the day off (today) because Novak was NOT entered in the International List which then enters the police data base of all countries worldwide. This is the only little rock and hard place that Minister Hawke has to do after his God powers of kicking out whoever he wants, 7 working days after decision to enter the dangerous person in the International List. This will be interesting, because the news today seems that some laws will be changed in Australia.
He didn't, so perhaps the Aussie government is looking for a loophole to slip Novak in the list. The senate hasn't advised when the discussions will resume. The tax payers did pay 100% of all the expenses of Novak during the controversy in January 2022.
Australia doesn?t have a Home Office or a Home Office Committee. Only England has a Home Office. There is a Dept of Home Affairs. It was that Minister?s representative who was appearing before the Senate Estimates Committee, yesterday.
iview (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/novak-djokovic-visa-saga-legal-costs-digital-visa-system/100831134)
From the article
?The Commonwealth was ordered to pay Djokovic's costs when his deportation case was brought before the Federal Circuit Court, but Djokovic was subsequently ordered to pay the Commonwealth's costs for the case that was brought before the full Federal Court.
"Generally [the costs] offset themselves when they come in ? but we'll need to get the invoices then make the determination in consultation with Mr Djokovic's lawyers as to how those two cost orders are sorted out," Ms de Veau said.?
There is a Senate Estimates Committee, which deals with expenses of the past months. It doesn?t impact the election.
Australia politics live: Jenny Morrison criticises Grace Tame, first Senate estimates of 2022 | news.com.au ? Australia?s leading news site (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/australia-politics-live-jenny-morrison-criticises-grace-tame-first-senate-estimates-of-2022/news-story/ced491c10e75e868487c01f8683893d3)
And the voters of Australia are supremely uninterested in Djokovic. He doesn?t feature in the forthcoming Federal election in any way, shape or form. As I stated in a previous post the issues facing Australia in this forthcoming election are as far away from the Djokovic controversy at the AO as it is possible to be. The voters are more (mildly) interested in PM Morrison?s banjo playing ability, featured on a 60;Minutes TV interview. And that?s only mildly. Nor is there any indication whatsoever that the powers available to the Minister for Immigration are about to be changed in the near future.
I'm only interested to see if the Home Affairs WILL or NOT add him in the international list. I highly doubt it or at least due to the news today of changes in several laws related will be changed swiftly so a Novak case never happens again. And the Fed government will most likely meet a financial settlement with the tennis star.
This attempt to disenfranchise thousands of Australians and permanent residents was just a proposal by the Morrison Govt. It was not introduced into Parliament or importantly, voted on.
Morrison Government abandons its attempt to introduce American-style anti-voter laws ? Australian Unions (https://www.australianunions.org.au/email-your-mp/oppose-anti-voter-laws/)
?The Morrison Government has abandoned its proposal to introduce legislative changes that would establish right-wing American-style laws and make voting harder for hundreds of thousands of Australians.
There?s no way to pretend that this proposal was anything other than an attempt from Scott Morrison to manipulate Australia?s electoral system to benefit himself, by trying to disenfranchise people who he thinks will not vote for him.
This outcome was only achievable thanks to the thousands of people who sent a message to Scott Morrison he couldn?t ignore.
This is a huge win for millions of Australians and a great example of what is possible when we stick together and stand up for what we believe in.?
Facebook has been drafted in to assist Aussie politicians in the run up to the Federal election in May. It?s not only Covid misinformation that has been spread online in previous months both by renegade Senators and backbenchers, targeting Govt ministers etc, but there has been great anxiety expressed by ASIO and our PM and others that China has been making a determined attempt to influence Australia?s politicians and electorate. This has included hackings, possible pressure leading to corrupt activities of MPs of Chinese descent who still have links to the land of their birth, but also community leaders.
Facebook owner to help train Australian politicians, influencers in run-up to election (https://www.aol.com/news/facebook-owner-help-train-australian-215555747-010954669.html)
Bad night in Britain for Boris and the Conservatives, as Labour wins key London seats in local elections while Greens and Lib Dems advance.
Local elections 2022: Labour win key London seats but Lib Dems and Greens also benefit from bad night for Conservatives - live updates | Local (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/may/05/local-elections-2022-conservatives-labour-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-england-wales-scotland-northern-ireland-live-updates)
Very much so, the UK has officially entered into a recession (and financial analysts say it will get worse), enter Labour party to try and salvage what they can.
ETA: Lately because of the Russian war, Boris has given out moneys via help with military equipment (it has a cost) for free to Ukraine. Political analysts have said that not only him but both parties should read the room (their constituents). When UK polls don't reach 50% (in ALL age groups) in help, support, whatever to a nation that is in trouble...you know what I mean. This item alone busted his chances in this election.
@Curryong-Do you forsee a leadership challenge from another Tory member in the near future?
Sinn Fein, the party which supports a United Ireland, has won power in the Northern Ireland Assembly for the first time, a historic moment, in the recent elections. A referendum on the subject could be held in the next five years.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/explainer-ireland-sinn-fein-wins-84565164
At the moment, TLLK, Boris seems to have the support of his colleagues, though there are no doubt angry mutterings on the back benches about these dispiriting election results which Boris?s party gate actions didn?t help. From here it doesn?t appear that there is one clear challenger. However, there?s bound to be a reshuffle of Cabinet in the next couple of months bringing in new blood.
However, I?ve been really concentrating on elections coming up here and have taken my eye off the ball in Britain a bit.
Local elections: the wheels come off the Boris bus ? cartoon | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2022/may/07/local-elections-the-wheels-come-off-the-boris-bus-cartoon)
@Curryong -Thank you for your thoughts as I do appreciate your knowledge of the parliamentary system.
As to the news of Sinn Fein winning a majority of seats in the Northern Ireland's Assembly and the possibility of a united Ireland. WOW!!!
QuoteIS IRISH REUNIFICATION LIKELY?
Irish unity did not play a big role in this year's Northern Ireland election campaign, which was dominated by more immediate worries, especially a cost-of-living crisis driven by the soaring costs of food and fuel.
But it remains Sinn Fein?s goal, and party leader Mary Lou McDonald says a referendum in Northern Ireland could be held within a ?five-year framework.?
The 1998 Good Friday peace deal stated that Irish reunification can occur if referendums support it in both Northern Ireland and the republic.
In Northern Ireland, such a vote would have to be called by the British government, ?if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.?
There are no set rules for deciding when that threshold has been met.
Scotland?s First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, sends congratulations to NI?s Sinn Fein Party over Stormont win. Wants another Independence for Scotland Referendum.
Sturgeon praises Sinn Fein as separatists declare UK finished | Politics | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1607116/sturgeon-sinn-fein-separatists-declare-uk-finished)
Not much has changed though. Sinn Fein had 27 seats before the election, and has 27 seats after the election. When the Good Friday agreement was signed 25 years ago, Sinn Fein had 39 percent of the vote, today they have 39 percent of the vote. All that's changed is the unionist vote has split.
If anyone is hoping for a united Ireland, there's a bit of a wait yet.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on May 09, 2022, 09:09:52 PM
Not much has changed though. Sinn Fein had 27 seats before the election, and has 27 seats after the election. When the Good Friday agreement was signed 25 years ago, Sinn Fein had 39 percent of the vote, today they have 39 percent of the vote. All that's changed is the unionist vote has split.
If anyone is hoping for a united Ireland, there's a bit of a wait yet.
Sectarianism has been dying in Northern Ireland for at least twenty years. Younger people especially aren?t into voting Protestant (Unionist). And the demographic has been changing there. Roman Catholics make up a greater portion of the population in Northern Ireland nowadays.
Quote from: Curryong on May 09, 2022, 10:13:00 PM
Sectarianism has been dying in Northern Ireland for at least twenty years. Younger people especially aren?t into voting Protestant (Unionist). And the demographic has been changing there. Roman Catholics make up a greater portion of the population in Northern Ireland nowadays.
Boris Johnson set to lose seat in election pasting as poll predicts 85 key Tory losses - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-set-lose-seat-27089440)
Wow! Terrible news for Boris and the Tories in the latest YouGov polling about voter intentions. Predictions he might even lose his own seat and a general wipeout over the rest of the country. It suggest to me not so much a lovefest with the Labour Party or even the Lib-Dems but that in general people are cheesed off with both lack of compassion in several instances and elitism in others among the Conservative Ministers and MPs.
Canada to cap the market for handguns with new law (https://www.aol.com/news/handgun-freeze-key-feature-canadas-225233601-000914704.html)
Trudeau?s government is set to introduce restrictions on hand guns in Canada and a raft of other legislation pertaining to individuals using the Internet to promote gun violence. The young Uvailde individual who perpetrated the massacre in the US signalled what he wanted to do before he did it.
?Canada already has plans to ban 1,500 types of military-style firearms and offer a mandatory buyback program that will begin at the end of the year. It already expanded background checks.
Trudeau has long had plans to enact tougher gun laws but the introduction of the new measure comes after mass shootings in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, N.Y., this month.
Bill Blair, minister of emergency preparedness, said Canada is very different from the United States.
?In Canada, gun ownership is a privilege not a right,? Blair said. ?This is a principal that differentiates ourselves from many other countries in the world, notably our colleagues and friends to the south. In Canada, guns are only intended to be used for hunting and sport purposes.?? (From the article.)
In 10 minutes the world will know the fate of Boris Johnson.
Confidence votes are always bad news for a current PM. However I expect him to survive, if only because there?s no clear popular successor.
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson wins confidence vote (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-wins-confidence-vote-rcna32069)
QuoteLONDON ? Boris Johnson survives ? for now.
The British prime minister narrowly won a confidence vote among his own lawmakers Monday, leaving him damaged but still in power and his ruling Conservative Party bitterly divided over its once-talismanic leader who has become plagued by scandal.
Johnson, 57, won by 211 votes to 148 in a high-drama secret ballot in Parliament? a majority of just 63 and splitting his party 59 percent to 41.
The prediction here is that Boris is now safe for the next 12 months. I?m not so sure as he has a mightily restive back bench. However the numbers weren?t that bad. He actually won the final ballot for his leadership in 2019 with 51% of the votes so there?s an improvement. However it depends if any more disastrous polls and by elections loom up in the next six months.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/boris-johnson-vote-live-updates-uk-prime-minister-faces-tory-no-confidence-vote-20220606-p5arj1.html
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Lord Geidt QUITS: Boris Johnson's ethics adviser resigns in curt one-sentence statement after weeks of speculation about his future following Partygate scandal - leaving the PM 'surprised' by the move
Boris Johnson?s top ethics tsar has sensationally quit his role tonight after weeks of speculation about his future following the Partygate scandal. A short statement released on the Government's website confirmed Lord Geidt (main), a former aide to the Queen, will leave his role as the Prime Minister's Independent Adviser on Ministers' Interests. A senior Downing Street source said there had been no official reason provided for the ethics tsar's shock departure, and admitted Mr Johnson was left mystified by Lord Geidt's resignation. The pair's previous scrapes include warring over the infamous 'Wallpaper Gate' refurbishment of No 11 in February 2020 and Mr Johnson's refusal to say whether he broke the ministerial code when he received a Partygate fine (inset) earlier this year.
The former aide to the Queen quits on Boris. One more whatever 'gate' from Boris, he's out...
The Tories go down in two bye elections. In one though, the blow for the conservatives is lessened in that Wakefield is a natural Labour constituency, as commentators have pointed out. I think the Tories won there in 2019 for the first time since the war. It?s Tiverton (which fell to the Liberal Democrats) that is the really troubling result. The Tory MP there had been briefly caught in scandal by being seen looking at porn on his phone while in the Commons. The Lib Dems have just won in a conventional Tory area by over 6,000 votes.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-conservatives-lose-elections-blow-pm-johnson-85626128
It factually does, all were clinically certified to be Mentally Ill with a HISTORY, hence the media when giving stories about ALL the gunners. The End.
This thread is about the Sussexes, not the 2nd amendment nor gun law. I'd like to discuss it at the Coffee k.
That is completely untrue. There have been several cases where US gun massacres have occurred, such as the Las Vegas shootings and several where shooters went to their places of employment and shot fellow employees. In several instances nobody knew what set such shooters off.
And
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/blaming-mass-shootings-nations-mental-health-crisis-harmful/story?id=84973562
?However, physicians, psychiatrists and other leading experts told ABC News that it is inaccurate to assert that "mental health issues" are solely or primarily responsible for the United States? ongoing rash of gun violence.?
?Instead, while experts say some aspects of mental illness are associated with mass violence, they insist that it is truly a multi-layer and complex crisis, driven by a confluence of other factors as well, such as widespread access to firearms, stalled gun reform and exposure to increased stressors and crises.?
Paddock was not known to the federal authorities, but was known to local law enforcement, according to NBC News. Police confirmed Paddock was the son of bank robber Patrick Benjamin Paddock, who was on the FBI's Top 10 most wanted list for over a decade until 1977. The original FBI posting described the elder Paddock as "psychopathic ... with suicidal tendencies."
Surveillance to the family of this Psycho, 0.
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Psychopathy is also an inherited condition, according to J. Reid Meloy, forensic psychologist and author of ?The Psychopathic Mind.? ?The more severe the psychopathy, the greater the inheritance for the disorder,? he said.
Google is our friend. ALL specialists agree with this ^
Anyway, The SUssexes should take care of their MH issues as their #1 priority.
IF anyone has the answer to why Harry and Meghan excluded their children at the Trooping, tell us.
Quote from: wannable on June 24, 2022, 03:10:45 PM
Paddock was not known to the federal authorities, but was known to local law enforcement, according to NBC News. Police confirmed Paddock was the son of bank robber Patrick Benjamin Paddock, who was on the FBI's Top 10 most wanted list for over a decade until 1977. The original FBI posting described the elder Paddock as "psychopathic ... with suicidal tendencies."
Surveillance to the family of this Psycho, 0.
*****
Psychopathy is also an inherited condition, according to J. Reid Meloy, forensic psychologist and author of ?The Psychopathic Mind.? ?The more severe the psychopathy, the greater the inheritance for the disorder,? he said.
Google is our friend. ALL specialists agree with this ^
It can be an inherited condition but that is not always the case and the son was never diagnosed with such a condition. And I know all about Google. I?ve linked several good articles about the terrible incidence of US gun violence here, and regarding Switzerland (which you used as an example of a defence against lax gun laws) as well.
Based on what we know about [the shooter], we cannot come to a formal conclusion that he had a mental illness," Greg Hansch, executive director of the Texas chapter of the National Alliance on Mental Illness, told ABC News.
Abbott admitted during the conference that the 18-year-old suspected gunman in the Uvalde shooting, Salvador Ramos, did not have a diagnosed mental illness or a known criminal background, but rejected the idea that stricter gun laws would have prevented the shooting.
The Associated Press
@AP
New AP-NORC poll: A growing, overwhelming majority of Americans say the U.S. is on the wrong track, including nearly 8 in 10 Democrats :unsure:, in a midterms challenge for President Joe Biden.
Quote from: wannable on June 29, 2022, 08:54:51 PM
The Associated Press
@AP
New AP-NORC poll: A growing, overwhelming majority of Americans say the U.S. is on the wrong track, including nearly 8 in 10 Democrats :unsure:, in a midterms challenge for President Joe Biden.
I agree that the senile old goat has been a disaster, heading a paralysed administration. However, if the article below holds true for young Dems voters then it may well be the same for the rest of older ones.
Why Young Voters Are Down on Joe Biden Before 2022 Midterms | Time (https://time.com/6191899/joe-biden-midterms-young-voters/)
The result is growing levels of disengagement. According to the Harvard Institute of Politics youth poll, released in April, roughly 36% of Americans under 30 believe politics ?rarely has tangible results,? up from 22% in 2018. More than 40% believe their ?vote doesn?t make a difference,? up from 31%. And more than half of young voters (56%) believe the political system is ?no longer able to face the challenges? facing the country, up from 45% just before the last midterm. Only 41% of these voters approve of Biden?s job performance, down 18 points from last year, according to the Harvard poll.
It?s not clear, however, that this disillusionment will necessarily hurt Democrats in November. The Harvard poll found that number of young people who say they will ?definitely? vote in the midterms is roughly equivalent to what it was ahead of the record-breaking 2018 youth turnout.
With two high profile cabinet resignations today, it seems that Johnson's term as Prime Minister could be ending soon.
Chris Pincher: Sunak and Javid quit cabinet as PM admits 'mistake' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-62048657)
The party?s over ? The Queen stands by to appoint the 15th Prime Minister of her reign ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/interests/state/the-partys-over-the-queen-stands-by-to-appoint-the-15th-prime-minister-of-her-reign-178726/)
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The party may soon be over for Boris Johnson following a series of high profile ministerial resignations which threaten the collapse of the government.
Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, both resigned on Tuesday evening, citing no confidence in the Prime Minister.
Mr Sunak, one of the UK?s most senior politicians and a close ally of Mr Johnson, said: ?the public rightly expect government to be conducted properly, competently and seriously?.
He adds: ?I believe these standards are worth fighting for and that is why I am resigning?.
Boris Johnson and his government have been rocked by recent scandals, with the Prime Minister?s own conduct coming under intense scrutiny.
Mr Johnson was recently fined for attending unlawful parties during the Covid-19 lockdowns, and has suffered significant defeats at by-elections.
It is difficult to see how Mr Johnson can survive following the resignation of his two most senior allies.
The Queen will be aware of developments and will be prepared to appoint the 15th Prime Minister of her reign should there be a need.
Week in Week out, he apologizes, is saved, until when?
Quote from: wannable on July 05, 2022, 08:53:38 PM
Week in Week out, he apologizes, is saved, until when?
Boris has behaved extremely stupidly over Pincher (an appropriate name, considering his behaviour) and his own party-gate contremps. I wrote in my original post after the disastrous by elections that he was likely to survive for a while as no clear alternative leader seemed to be emerging from the dissatisfied Conservative MPs. However, every leader needs political allies in and out of Cabinet, and with Boris?s two main ones now gone, he appears to be hanging on by his left toenail. He may survive for a little while. We?ll see. Btw, I thought the Queen is spending a few days at Sandringham, not hanging around in BP waiting for Boris to call on her.
I don't think Boris will survive the weekend, it's when rather than if...tic tac tic tac.
47 resignations and counting.
The guy who's doing this excel sheet is updating per hour. LOL
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXAz_qUX0AAvvF7?format=jpg&name=small)
The Australian Financial Review (https://www.afr.com/world/europe/if-boris-won-t-jump-how-and-when-can-he-be-pushed-20220707-p5azqf)
I think Boris is in big trouble but I doubt he?ll go within hours. The Tories are in a mess but I doubt they will want to give Labour too much of a satisfied glow. It?s a numbers game still.
By the way, mods, shouldn?t this recent news and our postings be in the British Political News thread?
Boris Johnson hit with more resignations as leadership crisis deepens | SBS News (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/third-senior-minister-resigns-as-uk-cabinet-revolts-against-boris-johnson/64welyxj7)
ITV reported on Wednesday evening that Mr Johnson was defiant and was not going to resign, telling cabinet colleagues that they faced the choice between a summer focused on the economy or a leadership contest.
"(I'm) told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election," ITV deputy political editor Anushka Asthana said on Twitter.
I think Boris is in big trouble but I doubt he?ll go within hours. The Tories are in a mess but I doubt they will want to give Labour too much of a satisfied glow. It?s a numbers game still.
By the way, mods, shouldn?t this recent news and our postings be in the British Political News thread?
Boris Johnson hit with more resignations as leadership crisis deepens | SBS News
ITV reported on Wednesday evening that Mr Johnson was defiant and was not going to resign, telling cabinet colleagues that they faced the choice between a summer focused on the economy or a leadership contest.
"(I'm) told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election," ITV deputy political editor Anushka Asthana said on Twitter.
What the British newspapers are saying about Boris clinging grimly on to power. How the media loves drama!
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-62073135
Newspaper headlines: Johnson 'fights for life' and 'stares down mutiny'.
Questions over the survival of Boris Johnson's government continue to lead Britain's national newspapers. "Johnson fights for his life" headlines the Times, as it writes the prime minister declared he was "absolutely determined" to stay on despite more than 40 ministers quitting government since Tuesday. It says Mr Johnson claimed his resignation would lead to a general election keeping the Conservatives out of power for decades. It quotes an ally of the premier saying: "It's an utter illusion if people think they can topple Boris and think it will be happily ever after."
Boris has agreed to resign after his position became untenable. He?s apparently going to stay on in a caretaker PM role until the autumn to allow for a new leader to be chosen. I?d say the Tories are done for at the next election, anyway.
Boris Johnson resigns: Embattled UK Prime Minister agrees to quit (https://www.9news.com.au/world/boris-johnson-quits-as-uk-prime-minister/eb02d6d5-4f85-4bfe-aab6-444c1a72e9ef)
It's understood Johnson will stay in office while the Conservative Party chooses a new leader, who will replace him as prime minister.
Treasury chief Nadhim Zahawi was the latest to call on Johnson to resign on Thursday, just 36 hours after Johnson put him in the job.
Zahawi said Johnson knew "the right thing to do" was to "go now".
@Curryong-So any thoughts on who might be waiting in the wings to take over as the leader of the Conservative Party? Do you believe it might be a member of the Cabinet?
Quote from: Curryong on July 07, 2022, 12:44:43 AM
I think Boris is in big trouble but I doubt he?ll go within hours. The Tories are in a mess but I doubt they will want to give Labour too much of a satisfied glow. It?s a numbers game still.
By the way, mods, shouldn?t this recent news and our postings be in the British Political News thread?
Boris Johnson hit with more resignations as leadership crisis deepens | SBS News
ITV reported on Wednesday evening that Mr Johnson was defiant and was not going to resign, telling cabinet colleagues that they faced the choice between a summer focused on the economy or a leadership contest.
"(I'm) told PM absolutely defiant and is not going to resign. Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest- followed by massive pressure for general election," ITV deputy political editor Anushka Asthana said on Twitter.
He left within hours, can't sub/cover 50 resignations like if it were a sport, Wimbledon anybody.
Sir John Major as rumour mill is hitting hard in all social media blue check marks political analysts.
This is truly shocking as Japan rarely has any gun related deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62089486
Quoteapan's former prime minister Shinzo Abe has died in hospital after he was shot at a political campaign event.
Mr Abe was shot at twice while he was giving a speech in the southern city of Nara on Friday morning.
Security officials at the scene tackled the gunman, and the 41-year-old suspect is now in police custody.
A search of the alleged gunman's home uncovered what police believe are explosives, local media reported.
Quote from: TLLK on July 08, 2022, 01:01:57 PM
This is truly shocking as Japan rarely has any gun related deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62089486
Japan society is a pressure cooker. I hope government, organizations and companies make obligatory leisure programs.
Quote from: wannable on July 08, 2022, 04:40:44 PM
Japan society is a pressure cooker. I hope government, organizations and companies make obligatory leisure programs.
It is a very ordered society, certainly. However I would much rather live in a community where I?m not in any danger of being gunned down by those who think that freedom rules over everything.
What I?ve learnt while living in Japan (https://www.globalcitizen.org/de/content/what-ive-learnt-while-living-in-japan/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp-DK_qLq-AIVT5hmAh0uHASkEAAYAiAAEgJx6fD_BwE)
An interesting article by someone who has actually lived in Tokyo.
3. Perfection in Japanese society
One crucial principle of Japanese society is striving for order and harmony. It is so vital it could be considered the foundation on which the society and culture are built upon--at least in my opinion. Tokyo is one of the world?s cleanest cities, while also being the most populated with 38 million inhabitants. The Japanese subway system underscores this cleanliness and also incorporates an element of peaceful silence. In Tokyo, it is considered disruptive and disrespectful to talk on the train as this disturbs others--it is so silent you could hear a pin drop. The subway must also always be perfectly on time. If it is a minute late, it is considered an insult and a public apology must be made. I found this insistence on perfect order so different to that of the Western culture and society I was used to. It shocked me at first, but after having lived there for two years the constant perfection of Tokyo has been drilled into me and it?s wonderful! It?s refreshing to be constantly on time and enjoy subway rides in peace and quiet.
4. Mastery of craft
Perfection and mastery are intertwined and are both important to Japanese nationals. For instance, Japanese students are required to study English for at least 6 years at school. Japanese schools are rigorous and thorough, giving the impression that most Japanese people would be able to converse in English at the very least. However, this is not the case. If a question were to be asked to a Japanese person in English, they would not respond and feign confusion. This is not to be rude. On the contrary, the Japanese seem to me to be some of the most polite and respectful people in the world. If they do not speak English it is because they do not believe they have mastered the language, therefore do not attempt to speak or practice it. This mentality is different to the Western one that encourages the practice of skills that have yet to be perfected.
5. Quality ALWAYS trumps quantity
In ancient Japanese culture, it is believed that if you spend your whole life making one unique bowl, it is much more valuable than making 10 a day or mass producing. This is very different from the new mentality which has spread all over the world promoting more, more, more! There is a pizza restaurant in the Azabu-Juban (麻布十番) area of Tokyo with a menu sporting only two simple pizzas. Although there is not much choice or variety, the pizzas are absolutely mouth-watering. The chef has spent his whole life trying to replicate the best Italian pizza, and using the incredible Japanese eye for attention to detail, he was able to do so. Because the quality of his food is so delicious, he will be revered and respected in Japanese society. He is not a business tycoon, but will be regarded with the same level of respect because he has placed the importance of quality over quantity and has been able to master his art.
Chloe isn't Japanese. She sees what she wants to see.
The modern Japanese society are taught since they are born from their WWII parents/atomic bombs Hiroshima and Nagasaki/Imperialism of invading the entire pacific ocean to live in shame (and a pressure cooker of resentment). If you want to learn more about it, search translated papers from Japanese scholars.
Quote from: wannable on July 09, 2022, 01:09:01 PM
Chloe isn't Japanese. She sees what she wants to see.
The modern Japanese society are taught since they are born from their WWII parents/atomic bombs Hiroshima and Nagasaki/Imperialism of invading the entire pacific ocean to live in shame (and a pressure cooker of resentment). If you want to learn more about it, search translated papers from Japanese scholars.
I would rather read things from people who have actually experienced living in the country. Australia and Japan are pretty close and many young Australians have lived there, taught there and done business there. ?
?Taught since they were born from their WW2 parents?? What the?? Exactly how old is this generation? I?m 75 and I can?t remember the war. My grandchildren are all in their forties (born in the 1970s) and one has adult children of her own.
Do you really think that young Japanese adults born thirty years plus after the war ended are constantly living in shame and guilt, lol? Australia re Covid had lots of young Japanese visitors coming here for holidays, study at Aus universities and for business. I knew academics here who thoroughly enjoyed interacting with some of them. The war was never mentioned.
Foreigners aren't taught since birth the Japanese culture and why it has been since immediately after WWII.
Bringing down their own Japanese scholars won't change facts of their knowledge of their own people, including their own polls.
It's like IF I had said ''I'll believe foreigners living in Australia, rather than Australian Scholars''...Thank you, sorry but no.
That should read my children are all in their forties, and one has adult children of their own.?
Decades after war?s end, some of Japan?s neighbors still see need for atonement | Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/15/decades-after-wars-end-some-of-japans-neighbors-still-see-need-for-atonement/)
?Those sentiments stand in stark contrast to those held by many Japanese. Nearly half (48%) of Japanese think Tokyo has sufficiently apologized for its military actions in the 1930s and 1940s. Another 15% think no apology is needed. Taken together, this means a strong majority of Japanese (63%) think the past is behind them.
Such views are even more prevalent among young Japanese: 73% of those aged 18 to 29 think Japan has already asked enough for forgiveness or need not apologize at all. The contrast with the views of other young Asians is quite striking. They think Japan still has much to answer for: just 3% of young Koreans, 4% of young Chinese, 31% of young Indonesians and 36% of young Malaysians are willing to drop the issue of Japanese war guilt.?
Hardly evidence here of the Japanese people ?living in shame? in a ?pressure cooker of resentment!?
The pressure cooker in Japan is being passed from generation to this existing one. As I said read about Japanese today's modern society, what these scholars research, the children are pressured with working extremely hard since childhood to cover the shame, the destruction of Japan in the last days of WWII. There's a great book about the Psychology of Japan after WWII.
Being quiet, resilent, unwoke etc. Is taught yet today. A landslide majority drown their sorrows partying out with drinking, it's dangerous, it will implode/explode one day.
To date my Japanese Sensei is exactly like that. He is very strict with the being quiet and resilence.
48% is not half. Again I'm right. They express it in confidence, they don't go all out in public. It's a boiling matter, a pressure cooker.
With all due respect, like in all matters Sport, with Japanese culture, since I practice Japanese Martial Arts, I'm certain to have vast knowledge. Those of us foreigners that study i.e. Japanese Martial Arts for many years end up falling in love to know more about all things Japanese. As a side note there's a Japanese F1 driver, his character, behaviour, attitude is very Japanese...but he's westernizing little by little.
48% plus 15% think no apology in needed. That?s well over 50%.
And the views of young Japanese in the poll is 73% for putting the war behind them.
You are also mixing up the old traditional ways of conservative Japan with the new generations, who follow left wing parties and follow a Western way of life when they go out at night to socialise.
As for heavy drinking and partying Britain was a victor in WW2 but its figures for public drunkenness among the young are horrendous and have been since the 19th century. That has nothing to do with ?war guilt?, lol!
And you are also a foreigner. Just like you don?t know absolutely everything about sport, you don?t know absolutely everything about Japanese culture whether you study Japanese martial arts or not.
Where are these polled people? As I said, in confidence, street wise, nope, at least not yet until the top of the cooker booms. It's not going to be pretty.
The routine of working very hard, straight to party out, sleep 2 to 3 hours, back to working very hard from Mon-Fri is not good. And these are the now generation.
I don't think they need to westernize, they need to fix their own way, keeping their identity.
Like wake me up when they have their first big turn over of a street demonstration, strike...for now they drown their sorrows :partaay: rather than showing change of 'people power' hence the pressure cooker.
Quote from: wannable on July 09, 2022, 05:34:55 PM
Where are these polled people? As I said, in confidence, street wise, nope, at least not yet until the top of the cooker booms. It's not going to be pretty.
The routine of working very hard, straight to party out, sleep 2 to 3 hours, back to working very hard from Mon-Fri is not good. And these are the now generation.
I don't think they need to westernize, they need to fix their own way, keeping their identity.
Don?t need to westernise!!
Erm, when the American occupation began in 1945 McArthur and his subordinates changed Japanese society out of all recognition. Land reform, reorganising the school system from top to bottom including elements of the US education programmes, removing much of the power of the Emperor, who had formerly been a god, equal rights for women, democratisation of civilian life, breaking up business conglomerates to a large degree etc etc. The vast majority of the Japanese population have been born after 1950 and therefore have known nothing else but those reforms and the way of life that followed all their lives.
One would have thought that if the population had objected to the reforms after McArthur and his administrators left in the early 1950s then there would have been a violent revolution right then and there and they would have changed it back. Instead, the Japanese enthusiastically took to westernisation of, for instance, its industrial complex and adapted it throughout the 1950s and 1960s as well as its education system etc.
The American Occupation of Japan, 1945-1952 | Asia for Educators | Columbia University (http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/special/japan_1900_occupation.htm)
Political Changes
The most obvious changes were political. During the Occupation, Japan adopted a new constitution (sometimes called the MacArthur Constitution because of the major role Americans played in its drafting). This constitution was completely different from the Meiji Constitution of 1889.
The biggest change was that it declared that sovereignty rested with the people, not the emperor. This is the political basis of democracy.
The emperor was to continue as a symbol of Japanese unity and culture, somewhat like the Queen of England in Britain's democracy, but without any political authority whatsoever.
The supreme political institution was now to be Japan's parliament, the Diet, which was to be made up of freely elected representatives of the people.
Women were given equal rights under the new constitution, including the right to vote.
Local governments were strengthened to encourage "grass-roots level" political participation.
The constitution established many new civil liberties, such as the right of free speech, and the powers of the police were weakened and carefully regulated.
Finally, the military forces were completely abolished and Article 9 of the new constitution forbade Japan to maintain an army or go to war ever again.
Economic Changes
To support these political changes, the Americans instituted reforms to make economic power in Japan more "democratic." In prewar Japan, two-thirds of the agricultural land was rented, not owned, by the farmers who farmed it. The farmers, who made up over 50 percent of the labor force, often rented the land from landlords who lived in distant cities and paid them as much as half of the crops they grew. Since the average "farm" was little more than an acre, many farm families lived in poverty. The land reform took land away from big landlords and redistributed it to the farmers, so that farm families could own the land they worked. Because farm families became more independent economically, they could participate more freely in the new democracy.
The Americans also tried to make workers in the industrial sector more independent by changing the laws to allow free trade unions. Before the war there were only a few small unions; by 1949, about half of all industrial workers belonged to a union.
To democratize economic power further and create competition, the Occupation intended to break up the giant business corporations, the zaibatsu, but this reform was not implemented, in part because it would have made Japan's economic recovery more difficult.
Changes in Civic Values
Besides changing Japanese institutions, the Americans wanted the Japanese people to understand better the idea of democracy. To do this, the occupation government used its control of newspapers and magazines to explain and popularize democracy.
They used American democracy as a model to be copied. The complete defeat and devastation of Japan after the war had left many Japanese shocked and disillusioned with their own military leaders, and they were open to the new ways of their American conquerors.
To ensure that Japanese children learned democratic values, the Americans insisted that the education system and the laws regulating families be revised. "Moral training" in schools was abolished, and instruction in democratic ideas was begun. Control of education and censorship of textbooks were taken from the central government and given to local administrations. The laws giving the head of the household complete control of every family member (for example, he could withhold his consent when his children wished to be married) were changed to make each family member more equal and thereby more democratic.
Royals from around the globe pay tribute to the late PM Abe.
Royals remember Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe after assassination ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/royals-remember-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-after-assassination-178811/)
As I said, the ''shame'' and ''resentment'' is a pressure cooker.
That Columbia paper gives me the reason again.
Quote from: wannable on July 10, 2022, 03:21:29 PM
As I said, the ''shame'' and ''resentment'' is a pressure cooker.
That Columbia paper gives me the reason again.
But Japan is westernised, and the Japanese people have accepted the reforms since 1945. Plus there is no evidence at all that the middle aged and under Japanese population is wallowing in any form of shame or resentment about the events of WW2. Quite the opposite in fact. They have moved on.
In the past year, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe?s romanticized remarks about World War II and the recent unveiling of a Japanese warship have sparked new tension in the region. The persisting conflicts over claims to islands with Taiwan, China, and South Korea have sparked a dialogue that continues to date back to the unresolved tensions of post-World War II reparations. The claims in international waters have been disputed with each side having a claim to the historical precedence. Many international bodies view Japan?s claims as a new form of the imperialism that dictated foreign policy in the early twentieth century.
For the scholarly and those interested in the era, the pains of World War II still exist. For a large number of people, though, particularly among the younger generations, it is not discussed openly. While the burden of the history is placed on the older generations, as the population ages what will happen to this narrative that is already being forgotten in Japanese history? Perhaps with a change of political power to the liberal left, the past will be formally acknowledged and the remnants of World War II can begin to be properly discussed and handled. Until then, though, Japan is suffering in a guise of ignorance and one-sidedness that only reemphasizes the importance of WAM and other similar organizations to hold Japan accountable.
WAM is the only organization that has demonstrated in the streets of Tokyo, fewer than a dozen dare to go out all from the new generation.
Right! Crazy that an ex Navy member (JMSDF Kaijo Jeeitai) killed the above ex PM.
Japanese society is changing.
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200113-the-rise-of-japans-super-solo-culture
But Matsushita believes this is changing, saying negative social pressures around being alone have reduced. ??You have to get married, you have to have a child? ? these social pressures are decreasing,? she says. She cites a survey of 10,000 people she conducted that found increased attitudes toward independence and ?family flexibility? from 2015 to 2018. Fewer people, for example, felt people should get married and have kids, while more felt it was OK to divorce even if you had kids. Among married couples, more people felt all right about keeping a secret from their spouse.
A ?super solo society?
Part of the equation is that Japanese society is undergoing a seismic demographic shift. The birthrate is falling: last year just 864,000 babies were born ? the lowest since records began in 1899. The number of single-person households is rising, up from 25% in 1995 to over 35% in 2015, according to census data. Declining marriage rates are contributing to the rise in people who live alone but so too is the fact that more seniors in one of the world?s fastest-greying nations are becoming widows or widowers. As a result, amid these new demographics, how consumers behave and how businesses cater to them are changing.
Your quote
WAM is the only organization that has demonstrated in the streets of Tokyo, fewer than a dozen dare to go out all from the new generation.
Right! Crazy that an ex Navy member (JMSDF Kaijo Jeeitai) killed the above ex PM. End Quote.
Dare to? Or that WAM don?t have that much support among the general Japanese population. I have lived a long time and remember news from Japan in the 1950s and early ?60s. I remember reports of resentments from other Asian nations that Japan would not apologise sufficiently or acknowledge its war guilt but that Japanese ex military personnel and others who had survived the war were adamantly against apologies due to the atom bombs dropped on Japan causing mass destruction and death.
However that was then and now is now. One can hardly expect a Japanese-born thirty year old born in 1992 to feel the same way, or a millennial for that matter. Is it expected of the US population that they suffer shame and regret in 2022 for the bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Hardly. And it?s the same for the Japanese.
As for an ex Naval man to be the assassin, ex military personnel have often gone on shooting sprees. Lee Harvey Oswald served in the US Army.
As for new tensions in the area South Korea has long had problems with Japan due to Japan?s colonisation policies dating back to the 19th century. Nothing particularly to do with WW2, though of course Japan caused resentments and hatred throughout Asia from 1931 onwards particularly in China. As for Taiwan China is the big threat to the region there and ultimately to Australia, who incidentally happens to be part of the region you?re talking about. I doubt there are too many Australians who are worried about Japanese warships. Chinese ones yes, especially ones spying near our coasts and pretending to fish, Japanese ones no.
?Hey, Let?s Forget That?: No US Apology for the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? The Diplomat (https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/hey-lets-forget-that-no-us-apology-for-the-atomic-bombings-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/)
?Hey, Let?s Forget That?: No US Apology for the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
75 years later, the U.S. remains committed to its narrative that the bombings were necessary and justified ? and that no apology is necessary to the victims.?
?Each year, thousands of visitors to the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum can view two paper cranes, which represent a symbol of peace in Japan, provided by former U.S. President Barack Obama during his 2016 landmark visit to Hiroshima. Unfortunately, these cranes were not accompanied by an apology from Obama for the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, all American presidents have refused to apologize for the bombings, which occurred 75 years ago. This refusal is motivated by the hegemonic narrative in the United States regarding the atomic bombings and widespread public opposition to an apology and commemorating Japanese victims. This unwillingness to apologize is also likely motivated by the fact that an apology may bolster international demands for the U.S. government to provide compensation to all individuals affected by U.S. nuclear testing in the Marshall Islands during the Cold War.
On August 6, 1945, the U.S. Army Air Forces dropped an atomic bomb dubbed ?Little Boy? on the Japanese city of Hiroshima, killing thousands of civilians instantly. By the end of 1945, 140,000 people, predominantly Japanese, but also a sizable number of Koreans, had died from injuries, radiation sickness, and burns resulting from the bombing. On August 9, the United States dropped the so-called ?Fat Man? atomic bomb on the city of Nagasaki, due to clouds blocking visibility of the original target city, Kokura. The bomb, which landed in a predominantly civilian area, immediately killed thousands and by December 1945, 90,000 people living in Nagasaki ? the majority of whom were Japanese ? had died due to the bombing. Some Koreans, many of whom were working as forced laborers in Nagasaki at the time of the bombing, were also killed.
Hibakusha (atomic bomb survivors) have faced ongoing psychological trauma, discrimination and increased risk of radiation-related illnesses, notably cancer. In some cases, women who were pregnant and living in Hiroshima or Nagasaki at the time of the bombings gave birth to babies with disabilities, thus indicating the intergenerational consequences of the use of nuclear weapons.
Some hibakusha have advocated in favor of the U.S. government apologizing for the bombings. Despite this, successive U.S. presidents have refused to apologize and have argued that the bombings were justified and necessary.?
Many American schoolchildren are taught that the bombings were necessary to avert the U.S. invasion of Japan and thus prevent the deaths of American service people. Many school textbooks also promote the argument that the bombings ended World War II.
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This dominant narrative is problematic. It depicts a U.S. invasion of Japan as an inevitable consequence of not dropping the atomic bombings, when, in reality, there were other options available to the U.S. government, including, but not limited to, continuing the economic blockade or commencing formal negotiations with the Japanese government.
Furthermore, as historians have highlighted, the notion that dropping the atomic bombs caused the end of World War II is questionable.
Regardless, the dominant narrative that the bombings were necessary and justified in part explains why U.S. governments refuse to apologize for the bombings.
Similarly, U.S. governments have also declined to apologize due to widespread public opposition to an apology. According to a 1995 Gallup poll, over 70 percent of Americans opposed the U.S. apologizing for the bombings. A 2015 Pew Research Center poll, which found that 56 percent of Americans view the bombings as justified, suggests that Americans still remain overwhelmingly opposed to an apology.
Is the general US population, especially those born after 1945, covered with shame, resentment and confusion over what their government did at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Extremely doubtful, lol. Not too many people at all are trapped like flies in amber over certain incidents in their nation?s history. They just move on a participate in life as it?s lived today, in 2022.
Not sure where you want to go, but all those links have to do with what I?ve said since post 1. So I?ll take it you?re starting to agree the more you investigate
WWII effect grandparents to parents to children, absolutely all of it. That is what they pass gen to gen, school, the war memorials, etc
They aren?t westernized mentality in full only partially, if not the now generation would be woke, demonstrating in the streets rather than playing hello kitty and anime characters.
No, I don?t agree with you at all.
As I have said constantly in my posts WW2 and the then Japanese atrocities have little to do with the generations born since (unless you are implying that someone born in 1950, 1960, 70 etc is fully responsible and should wear sackcloth and ashes for all their country?s past misdoings) and I doubt that many young Japanese give more than a passing thought to what happened during the war. The Americans who didn?t agree with an apology for the atom bombs answered one survey question, and probably the only one they?ll ever answer. That doesn?t mean they have to be obsessed with what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the rest of their lives.
Yes, every nation has its stories and myths about its past. That?s a given and has always been there. To many young adults in every country however, anything occurring before say 1989 is ancient history and of little interest unless they are historians, and as the years go on this will increase. And that is true of younger Japanese, Americans, Aussies and whoever else.
As for inferring that only the ?woke? (whatever that phrase may mean to you) go out to demonstrate for what they believe in, that to me belittles every demonstration I have attended since the Vietnam War.
And demonstrations are only one form of protest. My adult granddaughter of 26 is a great advocate of animal rights for example, volunteers at animal aid HQ, helps out with wildlife in bushfires, and donates to the cause generously. Just because Japanese youth aren?t out on the streets demonstrating against war crimes, as you appearently believe they should be doing, doesn?t mean they aren?t politically engaged. Each generation has its own way of doing things. I believe for instance that many young Japanese are anti-whaling, which goes against their own Govts policies.
Right, the grandparents (and the government) burried absolutely all what they did and happened. That is why their schools skip 'history' lessons and nobody there understands what the heck with these war memorials.
...The country was completely destroyed, what came next is part of their history and story that passes on to parents and children, hence they are what they are to date.
Also mehhhh with the the only 2 atomic bombs that exploded in that piece of land in the planet, it didn't affect them at all, never did, never told, completely deleted from Japanese history. Deformed parents passed on to children, what? Not true. It's like saying the Germans aren't embarrassed with Nazi and Hitler (they are, next gen, gen z, they rather not talk about it or be associated)
Quote from: wannable on July 11, 2022, 01:57:27 PM
Right, the grandparents (and the government) burried absolutely all what they did and happened. That is why their schools skip 'history' lessons and nobody there understands what the heck with these war memorials.
...The country was completely destroyed, what came next is part of their history and story that passes on to parents and children, hence they are what they are to date.
The Japanese war dead are not forgotten. There are cemeteries, monuments and memorials throughout the country, both large and very small. And ceremonies are held at each of them throughout the year.
In 1959 Chidorigafuchi National Cemetery was established in Tokyo as a resting place for the remains of those who died overseas in the war. This is Japan?s only state-level facility memorializing the war dead. But a number of other national facilities have also been established in memory of particular sets of war victims, including a cemetery in Okinawa for the victims of the fighting there, peace memorial halls for the atomic bomb victims in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and monuments set up overseas for those who died fighting at various battlegrounds and under detention in Siberia.
Chidorigafuchi National Cemetery, established in Tokyo in 1959, features the Hexagonal Hall, which houses the remains of 358,260 soldiers and civilians, as of May 2013.
Numerous additional memorial facilities have been established by local government bodies and other organizations. Notable examples include the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, the Memorial Park for the Tokyo War Dead, the Tokyo Memorial Hall, the Cenotaph for the City Air-Raid Victims of the Pacific War, the Manchuria-Mongolia Settlement Peace Memorial Hall, the Chiran Peace Museum for Kamikaze Pilots, and the Kaiten Memorial Hall (for those who died manning ?human torpedoes?). Also, aside from Yasukuni Shrine and the local gokoku jinja established before the war, there are newer religious facilities where the war dead are memorialized, such as the Nihon Chūreiden Pagoda at Zenkōji, a famous Buddhist temple in Nagano.
During the postwar period ceremonies have also come to be held in memory of war victims including ordinary civilians. The most prominent example is the Memorial Ceremony for the War Dead that the government holds every year on August 15, the anniversary of the end of the war. This ceremony is in memory of those who died in the hostilities starting with the outbreak of the Sino-Japanese War in 1937; it does not commemorate those who died in the earlier wars waged by imperial Japan. Commemoration of these earlier victims is left up to the voluntary activities of local governments or communities and of private groups of citizens with links to the victims. Most of the memorial ceremonies conducted by these bodies are based on traditional Japanese forms.
Quote from: wannable on July 11, 2022, 02:18:09 PM
Also mehhhh with the the only 2 atomic bombs that exploded in that piece of land in the planet, it didn't affect them at all, never did, never told, completely deleted from Japanese history. Deformed parents passed on to children, what? Not true. It's like saying the Germans aren't embarrassed with Nazi and Hitler (they are, next gen, gen z, they rather not talk about it or be associated)
How children in Nagasaki are taught about the A bomb.
Nagasaki's educators changing perspective on A-bomb teachings (https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2019/01/2786a58982ba-feature-nagasakis-educators-changing-perspective-on-a-bomb-teachings.html)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXd6NDuXgAEWsDB?format=jpg&name=small)
Rishi Sunak confirms status as Tory front runner
President Gotabaya Rajapaksa of Sri Lanka has fled that country for the Maldives and perhaps ultimately following his brother to the US. Presumably he feared being captured by the mob now raging in Colombo and being hanged by the short and curlies from the nearest lamp post.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62132271
I moved the Tom Bower discussion to the Royal Authors and Commentators thread in the Socialites and Acquaintances thread.
Royal Commentators, reporters and authors (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=89231.0)
POTUS Joe Biden has tested positive for COVID and is experiencing mild symptoms. He's currently in isolation.
Biden tests positive for COVID-19, experiencing mild symptoms. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/biden-tests-positive-covid-white-house-says-rcna39334)
I really had to think if this quote should be placed here in the weird, global politics or current events
Quote
White people will be the first target': South Africa's Julius Malema warns of impending 'violence' because 'the poor are getting poorer'
Basically, Black leader of a group is mad and angry, but not with the black president and the black government failure to fix unemployment, taxes and outage (daily). He wants white to pay.
House passes semiautomatic gun ban after 18-year lapse (https://www.aol.com/news/house-vote-semi-automatic-gun-182144015-233741931.html)
The House of Reps has passed a semi-automatic gun ban after an 18 year lapse. Of course it will be rejected in the Senate.
Kansas voters have voted to protect abortion rights.
Kansas votes to preserve abortion rights | The Canberra Times | Canberra, ACT (https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7846067/kansas-votes-to-preserve-abortion-rights/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60037657
A further ballot! Why this process takes longer and is more complicated than electing a Pope or many foreign political leaders is beyond me. In Australia, whether it?s a new leader or PM, MPs go into the Party Room in Federal Parliament and decide there and then. It rarely takes longer than three hours. The Australian Democrats (Party no longer exists) in the Senate used to canvas all their Party members and it took about ten days to elect a new leader.
Since changes about twenty three years ago the Conservative Party in Britain decided on this convoluted and lengthy procedure that drones on and on for weeks. IMO it?s completely ridiculous, more especially, as this article points out that Conservative Party members tend to be over fifty and middle class. So they aren?t representative of Britain?s population anyway. The system was changed because of suspicions of back door deals and an old boy network operating among MPs but this system is just clunky!
The Ukrainians left homeless and abandoned... and the British hosts feeling 'used and underappreciated' by Homes for Ukraine scheme - as government 'fails to honour GBP 350 payments' six months after Putin's invasion
It looks as if Liz Truss is on target to be named as new UK Prime Minister and Conservative Leader later today, following a loooooong and hard-fought contest. The second British female PM this century and the third all-up. Let?s hope she doesn?t end up in a quagmire like Theresa May!
The next Prime Minister will be Liz Truss. :happyuk: She will be the UK's third female Prime Minister.
Liz Truss to be next UK prime minister after beating Rishi Sunak in Tory contest - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-62760180)
Quotet?s official. Liz Truss has won the Conservative Party leadership race.
Tomorrow she will become prime minister when she visits the Queen in Balmoral for an invitation to form her UK government.
@Curryong,
@Amabel2,
@Macrobug67 and
@PrincessOfPeace Putting all of you on notice that I'll be asking my usual questions about the Parliamentary form of government.
Question #1-Now that there is a new Conservative leader, is there a good chance that a general election would be called by the opposition parties to challenge the Tories or would Labour/Liberal Democrats etc..wait and see how on Truss' performance?
TLLK, I don?t think that there will be any general election now, unless Liz Truss falls into the most gigantic morasses of her own making in the next few months and any bye elections go all Labour?s way. That?s not btw, because Labour Opposition will decide to give the new PM a honeymoon period, out of the goodness of their hearts.
On the contrary they?ll be keeping a sharp eye on any blood in the water on the Conservative side, any restlessness in the ranks, especially as it appears Ms Truss is perhaps not as popular with Parliamentary colleagues as other incoming PMs have been. However, in the Commons, it?s numbers that matter and in spite of a bad showing at various by elections a few months ago the Conservatives still have a majority. It really is Liz Truss?s responsibility to pull her colleagues/Ministers together and form a strong but compassionate govt. If she can?t manage that then the country and her Party will ensure she pays for it. The buck stops with her!
The next United Kingdom general election is scheduled to be held no later than Tuesday 28 January 2025, after the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022 repealed the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011.
Provisions
The Act repeals the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 and revives the powers relating to the dissolution and calling of Parliaments derived from the royal prerogative "as if the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 had never been enacted", in effect restoring the constitutional situation prior to 2011. Section 3, an ouster clause, removes questions over the exercise of these powers, over any decision relating to them, and over their limits and extent from the jurisdiction of courts and tribunals. Finally, the Act provides for Parliament's automatic dissolution once five years have elapsed from its first meeting after an election.
@Curryong-Thank you for your thoughts as Liz Truss prepares to lead her party and the nation.
The Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022 received royal assent on 24 March 2022 and entered into force the same day. The Prime Minister can again request the monarch to dissolve Parliament and call an early election with 25 working days' notice. Section 4 of the Act provided: "If it has not been dissolved earlier, a Parliament dissolves at the beginning of the day that is the fifth anniversary of the day on which it first met."
For the present Parliament elected at the 2019 United Kingdom general election, which first met on 17 December 2019,
this means the fifth-anniversary date of 17 December 2024 and
the latest possible polling day 25 working days later, 24 January 2025.
Weekends, bank holidays and days appointed for public thanksgiving or mourning are excluded from the 25 days meaning the final day comes to 28 January 2025.
More detailed information in the official site: Institute For Government United Kingdom. If you enter the first time be patient, the security forces in the UK will review your IP address to make sure you're not a hacker.
StackPath (https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/dissolution-parliament)
Earlier dissolution (IF the new MP sucks badly)
However, the government also has the ability to dissolve parliament and seek an election earlier than this, if it wishes.
This effectively means that the system for dissolving parliament and calling elections that was in place before passage of the 2011 FTPA has been restored.
While the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 was in place, it required parliament to be dissolved at the beginning of the 25th working day before a general election. It stated that parliament could not be dissolved at any other time.
The Act also governed when general elections could take place. Ordinarily, general elections would be held every five years. It was only possible for an early election to be held if either:
two thirds of MPs agree to a motion for an early election, or
MPs vote down a government in a formal vote of no confidence under the FTPA and do not pass a vote of confidence in a government within 14 calendar days.
During the period in which the FTPA was in place, early elections took place in 2017 (when two thirds of MPs agreed a motion for an early election) and in 2019 (when MPs passed a piece of primary legislation allowing an early election).
Parliament may also be prorogued before it is ?dissolved? prior a general election, to wrap up parliamentary business early and allow MPs to focus on the election campaign. If parliament has been dissolved, it cannot then be prorogued, as there is no longer a parliament to be suspended.
Well, there?s not likely to be an election called before Jan 2025 if the new PM Liz Truss does her job and the new Conservative Cabinet (with Ministers chosen by Truss) do theirs, so information about the procedures of the British Parliament taken directly from Parliament?s Internet pages aren?t really relevant at this time.
I am allowed to put the facts from the page which is the best and precise answer to Question #1 requested by our fellow member TLLK.
Question #1-Now that there is a new Conservative leader, is there a good chance that a general election would be called by the opposition parties to challenge the Tories or would Labour/Liberal Democrats etc..wait and see how on Truss' performance?
The FAQ's are very simple.
Queen Elizabeth has reigned for 30% of U.S. history.
The Calculation was done by dividing her reign (since February 1952, 70.5 years) by the time since the ratification of the Constitution (June 1788, 234.17 years). 70.5/234.17 = .302
Matt Glassman, Reporter for US Senate and Congress
Quote from: Curryong on September 05, 2022, 04:23:11 AM
It looks as if Liz Truss is on target to be named as new UK Prime Minister and Conservative Leader later today, following a loooooong and hard-fought contest. The second British female PM this century and the third all-up. Let?s hope she doesn?t end up in a quagmire like Theresa May!
What a way to start her time as PM. So many things to deal with and the loss of QE and a new monarch on top of it.
I can understand why she won't be accompanying the King on the visits throughout the nation. It's just too much at this point in time.
Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng will use mini-Budget to order more than 100,000 people with part-time jobs to work longer hours and try to make more money or face a CUT in their benefits as he seeks to fill 1.2million vacancies
Claimants working up to 15 hours a week must meet regularly with work coach
Increase from the 12-hour threshold for a more intensive work search regime
Plan expected to take effect from January as part of the Universal Credit system
^ Starting January 2023, the UK will say goodbye to part time jobs. They have 3.5 months to seek full employment.
This is just one of the several items the UK PM's are fixing to relieve the ''Crisis of Living''
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The chancellor of the Exchequer, often abbreviated to chancellor, is a senior minister of the Crown within the Government of the United Kingdom.
Why is it called the exchequer?
Exchequer, in British history, the government department that was responsible for receiving and dispersing the public revenue. The word derives from the Latin scaccarium, 'chessboard,' in reference to the checkered cloth on which the reckoning of revenues took place.
And how does the gov expect to get these *part-time* jobs done? Isn't retail, the food industry among those that are part time? Here in the states retail does not want full time workers as that cost money for medical, vacations, etc, so they have part time workers to keep the cost down and more money in their pockets... what is going to happen to all those part time jobs that won't get done? Someone has to sweep floors, clean bathrooms at airports, etc.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-to-be-empowered-by-government-plans-to-strengthen-day-one-employment-rights-and-increase-productivity-of-businesses
Government announces plans to make the right to request flexible working a day one right, as well as new entitlements for unpaid carers.
They have a fairly poor+ full time salary issue, there are 1.2M vacant positions to cover, 100,000 prefer the part time good- salary. The full time salary will also be fixed.
Bit of a grim prediction for Italy, I fear. Far right governments, like far Left ones, are too inflexible in my view. And it?s not as if Italy has had a history of stable long term Govts over the decades.
On eve of election, Italy braces for potential far-right win - The Hindu (https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/on-eve-of-election-italy-braces-for-potential-far-right-win/article65932113.ece)
?Out with internationally respected Mario Draghi and in ? polls say ? with Eurosceptic Giorgia Meloni, head of the post-fascist Brothers of Italy party, who is widely tipped to become the country's first woman to head a government.?
Labour Party conference opens with the National Anthem for the first time EVER as Keir Starmer leads tribute to the Queen including a minute's silence and there is NO booing (despite Jeremy Corbyn moaning)
Well well well, they sang God Save the King with vigour.
Quote from: wannable on September 25, 2022, 02:08:59 PM
Labour Party conference opens with the National Anthem for the first time EVER as Keir Starmer leads tribute to the Queen including a minute's silence and there is NO booing (despite Jeremy Corbyn moaning)
Well well well, they sang God Save the King with vigour.
MPs and others singing the National Anthem vigorously doesn?t mean that the entire delegates have all instantly turned into monarchists. Far from it. There?s never been a survey done but it?s been known for decades that a large proportion of Labour MP have republican views. The same with Trade Union representatives. These people don?t boo but they don?t believe in a monarchical system of government either.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63024360
A Labour republican group has said the national anthem does not "marry" with the party's values ahead of a rendition of the song at its annual conference.
Sir Keir Starmer opened the conference in Liverpool with a tribute to Queen Elizabeth II and led members in singing the God Save the King.
Labour for a Republic chairman Nick Wall said it was "reasonable" for the party to mark the Queen's death.
But he told the BBC did not expect the song to be sung again at conference.
"Our thoughts at Labour for a Republic is we'd expect it to be a one-off because, at the end of the day, Labour is for the many, and not for the one.
"That's really important and of course the anthem is all about the one. And in that respect, it doesn't marry with our values."
Labour MPs - most of whom gave did media appearances expect those involving tributes to the Queen during the period of mourning - were conspicuous in their absence.
That was until one showed up, to the applause of some in the audience.
Richard Burgon, the Labour MP for Leeds East, a leading figure on the left of the party, said he welcomed a "considered" discussion on the topic of the monarchy.
"I think these are still legitimate matters of inquiry," he said.
"And people who respect the Queen's service, who like her as an individual, can still hold these views. It's not an insult to anybody. It's a legitimate discussion in a democratic society."
Liz Truss fights for survival as even allies say she could have only days left | Liz Truss | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/16/liz-truss-fights-for-survival-as-even-allies-say-she-could-have-only-days-left)
British PM fights for survival as even Liz Truss?s allies believe she has only days left in power. If this is true then Ms Truss will be one of the shortest term Conservative Party leaders ever to be elected. It did look good actually that there was little enthusiasm for her among the rank and file Conservative Party members from the beginning.
From the article
A poll by Opinium for the Trades Union Congress using the MRP method to estimate constituency-level results, projected a 1997-style landslide for Labour, with the party winning 411 seats.
It suggests the Conservatives would lose 219 seats to end up on 137, with the Liberal Democrats on 39 seats and SNP on 37, with 10 cabinet ministers including Jeremy Hunt, Jacob Rees-Mogg, and Th?r?se Coffey losing their seats in a general election, along with former prime minister Boris Johnson.
Meanwhile, plotting at Westminster continued with a group of senior Tory MPs, many of them supporters of Rishi Sunak, planning to meet on Monday night for a dinner hosted by ex-Treasury minister Mel Stride, amid speculation that as many as 100 no confidence letters have been submitted to Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee.?
Hi everyone. I've merged the old British Political News thread from the Republics and Monarchy forum into Global Political News here in the Coffee Klatch forum. It seems to make sense just to have the one thread. :high5:
UK politicial scenario grim
Iranian women tied to a mix of 'men' politics, relgion, customs scenario very grim
Ukraine very grim
Russia very grim
China wants to invade Taiwan very grim
USA poltical division (and dissension) very grim
I guess this is global political news. Over 92 countries have protested fuel prices in the past year. Fuel and food costs are becoming serious issues for families post Covid.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63185186
Here in Melbourne and it?s surrounds petrol averages at nearly 2 dollars a litre.
@Curryong-My son and I recently filled up two of our three family cars for around $5.40 per gallon at stations that can sell at this " low price" because either customers paid in cash like my son did or it's at a membership only station like Costco. Both of the vehicles are considered fuel efficient- 1. 2012 Honda Fit (compact) and 2. 2016 Mazda CX 5 (smaller crossover). Fortunately my husband does not need to drive our SUV too often-Honda Pilot. California tends to have some of the highest prices in the nation for fuel. By contrast my sister in Arkansas has been paying about $2.00 less per gallon.
Interesting about fuel in California, TLLK. Most of our big petrol stations, Caltex, Shell etc are almost cartels really. There is little difference in prices between them. Australia has many minerals and some coal but very little oil of our own. The vast majority is bought from Singapore suppliers. We don?t have car producing plants any more so most of our cars are imported European and Japanese models but adapted for export by those car companies because of course we drive on the left here. Mazdas are great little cars, popular here too.
We used to have gallons but for several decades now it?s all metric and so our fuel is in litres. It will be interesting, won?t it, when electric cars come into full production? Wondering how that will go in the remote outback of central Australia!
Wow. She and her family would have just had time to unpack at Number 10. I don't envy her successor in the Conservative Party nor any other UK political party.
British Prime Minister Liz Truss resigns after economic plan sparked turmoil (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/british-prime-minister-liz-truss-resign-economic-plan-turmoil-rcna52946)
QuoteLONDON ? British Prime Minister Liz Truss resigned Thursday after just six weeks in office, following a disastrous and rapidly reversed economic plan that sent the pound plunging and her government into chaos.
Having been formally appointed by Queen Elizabeth II on Sept. 6, Truss is now by far the shortest-serving prime minister in British history and will be remembered as one of the most calamitous.
The previous holder of this record, George Canning, lasted 119 days in the early 19th century; Truss will serve about 50.
A leadership contest to decide the next leader of the ruling Conservative Party, who will by default become the next prime minister, is now underway and will conclude in the next week. The opposition Labour Party called for an immediate election.
Just woken up here in Aus to the news of Liz Truss?s resignation. She is indeed the PM with the shortest period of office ever. Too much too soon it appears, with a disastrous bundle of policies she tried to push through. Her nearest rival, another male but this time from a racial minority, will be eager to throw his hat in the ring again, no doubt.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/explainer-truss-tenure-short-now-91816087
Boris Johnson is throwing his hat into the ring once more as the new battle for the leadership of the Conservative Party and the country heats up. He?s not likely to succeed on the balance of probabilities but, you never know!
Fixing the economic mess left by Liz Truss is way beyond the ability of Boris Johnson | Boris Johnson | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/22/fixing-the-economic-mess-left-by-liz-truss-is-way-beyond-the-ability-of-boris-johnson)
They are ALL truly bad (contenders, the labour party is worse), I feel for the UK citizens. Honestly if they can get from a Magicians hat a little known person that can make a ''miracle'', I'd be surprised.
Johnson and Sunak are to meet before tossing their hats into the ring according to the Sunday Times. Interesting to be a fly on the wall and hear what deal they propose.
UK's Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak to meet, the Sunday Times reports | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-boris-johnson-rishi-sunak-meet-sunday-times-2022-10-22/)
Boris pulls out of election for leader race in Britain, leaving the way clear for Rishi Sunak.
The Australian Financial Review (https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/daniel-andrews-will-pay-a-quarter-of-your-next-house-price-20221024-p5bs84)
The new PM may well be decided in the next few days.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/what-to-expect-as-the-uk-conservative-party-gears-up-for-a-new-leader.html
KEY POINTS
The U.K. is gearing up to install a new prime minister this week ? its fifth in six years ? following the sudden resignation of Liz Truss, just 44 days into the job.
Truss? successor will once again be decided by a Conservative Party leadership contest, which could be over as soon as Monday.
Over the weekend, two Tory hopefuls threw their hats into the ring for a stab at the top job: Rishi Sunak and Penny Mordaunt.
And it appears that the next PM will be Rishi Sunak.
Rishi Sunak will be British prime minister after Liz Truss' resignation (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/rishi-sunak-british-prime-minister-liz-truss-resignation-rcna53654)
QuoteThe former finance minister was named leader of the ruling Conservative Party on Monday after Boris Johnson dropped his bid for a comeback.
@Curryong,
@Amabel2,
@PrincessOfPeace, and
@Macrobug67 have any of you ever seen such a swift turnover in a ruling party leadership in the nations with a parliamentary form of government that you have lived and voted in during your lifetimes?
Quote from: TLLK on October 24, 2022, 02:00:05 PM
And it appears that the next PM will be Rishi Sunak.
Rishi Sunak will be British prime minister after Liz Truss' resignation (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/rishi-sunak-british-prime-minister-liz-truss-resignation-rcna53654)
@Curryong, @Amabel2, @PrincessOfPeace, and @Macrobug67 have any of you ever seen such a swift turnover in a ruling party leadership in the nations with a parliamentary form of government that you have lived and voted in during your lifetimes?
No I have not! The only other British PM I remember having a short term of office was Alec Douglas-Home, a Scottish aristocrat who was PM and Conservative Leader from October 1963 to October 1964.
In Australia there was Labor?s Kevin Rudd whose second term of office as PM was very short, from June to September 2013. He lost the subsequent election. There was political turmoil in both leading parties in Australia for several years and Julie Bishop of the Liberals served as acting PM during 2018 before being defeated in a leadership spill.
Another first is that Rishi Sunak will be Britain?s first non-Christian PM. He is a practising Hindu. Britain is largely a secular society anyway and a multi-cultural one, but it is quite significant that a new King who once wanted to be known as Defender of Faiths at his Coronation will be receiving a new non -Christian PM on Monday who will at some point in the future be ?advising? the monarch on the appointment of new Anglican Bishops, a traditional role!
@Curryong-Thank you for your reply to my earlier question. I do appreciate hearing from those of you who live in nations with a parliamentary form of government.
Yes this is exciting to realize that the UK has its youngest PM in two centuries, the first PM of color and who is a practicing Hindu. Thank you for the information as I had not known that the PM also advises the monarch on the appointment of the Anglican bishops.
I don't envy him or anyone else this monumental task that lies ahead. :( Deep spending cuts are going to be necessary but extremely unpopular. With the UK being the second largest donor of aid to Ukraine, this might be where the spending may need to be scaled back.
Here's the new Prime Minister meeting KCIII.
Rishi Sunak becomes British prime minister after meeting with King Charles III (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/rishi-sunak-british-prime-minister-meeting-king-charles-iii-liz-truss-rcna53839)
QuoteLONDON ? Rishi Sunak took office as British prime minister Tuesday, acknowledging the mistakes of his Conservative Party predecessors and warning of difficult decisions ahead for a country mired in political and economic trouble.
The former finance minister is now the United Kingdom's third leader in seven weeks, following the collapse of Boris Johnson's scandal-plagued government and the light-speed implosion of Liz Truss.
Sunak, the first British Asian to assume the role and a multimillionaire former banker, paid passing tribute to those predecessors in his first speech as leader Tuesday. But he also acknowledged ?mistakes were made? under Truss, and promised to lead with ?integrity, professionalism and accountability? ? three qualities Johnson is widely perceived as lacking.
?Our country is facing a profound economic crisis,? Sunak said in his first speech as prime minister outside No. 10 Downing St. ?I will unite our country not with words but with action.?
PM Kim Campbell was in office from June to November 1993.
Canada had a PM for less than a year in 79-80. Joe Clark had won a minority government and Trudeau's Liberals defeated him on a vote of non-confidence.
Thank you for your input
@PrincessOfPeace.
Wow. Had not realized that the new PM is reportedly twice as wealthy as KCIII.
How Rishi Sunak and his heiress wife's ?730M fortune is nearly DOUBLE the wealth of King Charles III | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11352277/How-Rishi-Sunak-heiress-wifes-730M-fortune-nearly-DOUBLE-wealth-King-Charles-III.html)
Constituents in Sunak?s Yorkshire electorate have their say about the new PM.
?We could have worse?: In Hawes, Sunak?s constituents take stock | Rishi Sunak | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/25/we-could-have-worse-in-hawes-sunaks-constituents-take-stock)
BREAKING: The New York State Supreme Court just ordered that New York City reinstate all city employees with backpay who were fired due to the covid vax mandate.
Thank God that hasn?t happened here. The judge is anti-vax it seems.
However there is an appeal.
https://abc7ny.com/covid-vaccine-nyc-mandate/12376163/
Quote from: wannable on October 25, 2022, 06:17:34 PM
BREAKING: The New York State Supreme Court just ordered that New York City reinstate all city employees with backpay who were fired due to the covid vax mandate.
The new Premier of the province of Alberta has apologised for the 'draconian' covid measures the province employed during lockdown, including vax mandates.
Alberta premier?s plan to forgive COVID fines has legal precedent, needs legislation: expert | Globalnews.ca (https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/9222899/alberta-danielle-smith-forgive-covid-fines-legal-precedent-legislation/amp/)
Imran Khan shot in the leg, along with others, while on the campaign trail in Pakistan. Isn?t voting against a candidate at the ballot box enough?
Former Pakistan PM Imran Khan shot and wounded on campaign truck (https://www.nbcnews.com/video/former-pakistan-pm-imran-khan-shot-and-wounded-on-campaign-truck-152461381860)
Not anymore Curryong.......the world is in a very dark and scary place right now...my country's democracy is in trouble here and I fear what will happen in all the elections coming forth.
Quote from: Curryong on November 03, 2022, 11:51:10 PM
Imran Khan shot in the leg, along with others, while on the campaign trail in Pakistan. Isn?t voting against a candidate at the ballot box enough?
Former Pakistan PM Imran Khan shot and wounded on campaign truck (https://www.nbcnews.com/video/former-pakistan-pm-imran-khan-shot-and-wounded-on-campaign-truck-152461381860)
One would think that would be enough but when former PM Abe was assassinated on the campaign trail, that reasonable act of voting for another candidate seems to be going by the wayside.
Recently Paul Pelosi (husband of Nancy Pelosi-Speaker of the House) was attacked with a hammer in the couple's San Francisco home.
Also a candidate for North Carolina's District 14 had a family member's home shot at. The candidate's young daughters were sleeping in a bedroom when shots were fired.
Shooting at NC-14 GOP candidate Pat Harrigan family home, none injured (https://www.carolinajournal.com/shooting-at-nc-14-gop-candidate-pat-harrigans-home-family-uninjured/)
Quote from: TLLK on November 04, 2022, 01:30:53 PM
One would think that would be enough but when former PM Abe was assassinated on the campaign trail, that reasonable act of voting for another candidate seems to be going by the wayside.
Recently Paul Pelosi (husband of Nancy Pelosi-Speaker of the House) was attacked with a hammer in the couple's San Francisco home.
Also a candidate for North Carolina's District 14 had a family member's home shot at. The candidate's young daughters were sleeping in a bedroom when shots were fired.
Shooting at NC-14 GOP candidate Pat Harrigan family home, none injured (https://www.carolinajournal.com/shooting-at-nc-14-gop-candidate-pat-harrigans-home-family-uninjured/)
Yes, we were just looking at footage on TV last night of Bhutto. She was blown up in an armoured truck I seem to remember. Her father had been assassinated when she was a girl.
The Pelosi attack was bizarre. Of course political assassinations and attempts aren?t exactly unknown in the US (and the country is riven by division at the moment) but this attack on Nancy?s elderly husband is particularly strange. I think the person involved is mentally ill.
The Pelosi attack seems to be getting stranger as it appears from footage that Paul Pelosi seemingly was somewhat familiar with the person who attacked him. The attacker reportedly is in the U.S. illegally and is likely to be deported to his native Canada.
David DePape: Immigration officials say Paul Pelosi attacker was in US illegally | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/03/politics/david-depape-paul-pelosi-attack)
Quote from: TLLK on November 04, 2022, 10:18:41 PM
The Pelosi attack seems to be getting stranger as it appears from footage that Paul Pelosi seemingly was somewhat familiar with the person who attacked him. The attacker reportedly is in the U.S. illegally and is likely to be deported to his native Canada.
David DePape: Immigration officials say Paul Pelosi attacker was in US illegally | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/03/politics/david-depape-paul-pelosi-attack)
Thanks TLLK. My son mentioned some early rumours about the two men that were circulating around the Net just after the attack became known. So?interesting? It?s a little strange that the attacker should be deported, however. Surely if a criminal offence is committed, even in private property, the jurisdiction in which the crime took place should be the one to try that person, whether the individual is from Canada, Chile, Timbuktu or the planet Mars. Anyway, I read that he?d been floating around the New Age traps and locales for several years. Odd!
@Curryong-Yes it is very odd. I certainly don't believe certain salacious rumors but it is possible that Paul Pelosi had seen his attacker in the area and maybe had had an exchange with him at some point. It's just very bizarre. Like it's happened before with other mentally ill individuals who attack high profile people, the attacker seems to have been following a mix of extreme right and left wing conspiracies theories. :(
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
^ For more graphics of surveys.
I guess we have to wait for results, but it seems red is the colour.
Well, I woke up this morning and saw the Dem slaughter/red wave I was dreading basically didn?t happen. Fierce battles going on throughout the country but any damage done to Dems with some of these results looks repairable in 2024. Many of the GOP candidates endorsed by Trump lost, so it will be interesting next week if, as he has signalled, Trump intends to announce that he will be running in 2024.
Exit polls apparently revealed that Inflation worries and the rollback of abortion rights in some States were chief concerns of voters, especially young women. Watch, listen and learn from this, legislators in some red States!
Yes it was definitely not the "Red Wave" but more of a "Red Ripple." There are some contests that have still not been decided and I believe that Georgia will be heading to a run off to determine the next Senator from the Peach State.
It appears at this point in time that the Republicans will control the House of Representatives. The Senate's outcome (51 required for a majority) is still being determined. There are currently two Independents in the Senate.
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-results-nov-9-198d61bcafe31d96c0a966eae7492756
Yes TLLK, the results came as something of a relief to me this morning. Of course it?s expected that incumbent Presidents lose seats in the midterms but this seems manageable at the moment. I believe Bernie Sanders is an independent Senator who generally votes with the Dems, not sure about the other, I believe I read he is also left-leaning but I may be misremembering. The Dems should be reasonably happy though of course it means a difficult passage for the next 18 months for some legislation to be passed.
The race to control the Senate will come down to the Georgia run off as neither candidate garnered the necessary over 50 % to be declared the winner.
Currently the GOP has 49 seats, the Dems 48 and there are 2 Independents.
Quote from: TLLK on November 10, 2022, 05:34:18 PM
The race to control the Senate will come down to the Georgia run off as neither candidate garnered the necessary over 50 % to be declared the winner.
Currently the GOP has 49 seats, the Dems 48 and there are 2 Independents.
Thanks TLLK. Yes, an exciting contest so far and really getting down to the wire in the Senate.
A report from the BBC analysing the whys and wherefores of why these US midterms have turned out very differently (so far!) to what was predicted. It?s certainly been a change from every midterm election for decades. In a way the Dem Party has the Supreme Court decision on Roe/Wade to thank for the energising of Gen Z voters who were outraged and turned out in droves. Good to see!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63569850
NBC projects that the Dems will hold the Senate.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/12/midterm-senate-elections-2022-democrats-keep-majority.html
I'm surprised it's almost equal halves for each party, the ''close call'' in the majority of the mid term elections, minus 15 states no election.
The reps are quiet, the dems are giving woke answers to the tendency. I actually thought the latter (dems) were going to win with a ''superiority victory''.
It's not interesting to me to see the divide, in politics I prefer a superiority victory in order to work better/results rather than that divide, which makes decisions to be halted or slow down.
Quote from: wannable on November 13, 2022, 12:55:20 PM
I'm surprised it's almost equal halves for each party, the ''close call'' in the majority of the mid term elections, minus 15 states no election.
The reps are quiet, the dems are giving woke answers to the tendency. I actually thought the latter (dems) were going to win with a ''superiority victory''.
It's not interesting to me to see the divide, in politics I prefer a superiority victory in order to work better/results rather than that divide, which makes decisions to be halted or slow down.
I have to say that it surprises me to read above that apparently you expected that the Dems were going to win, as you posted on this forum just before the midterms a VERY large coloured printed diagram showing a projected decisive GOP victory, and you yourself also stated under that diagram that ?the colour appears to be red? predicting a Republican win.
I don?t know about ?woke? but there is evidence that all over the country, even in red states, newly registered Gen Z voters, both male and female, turned out in large numbers to make sure that anti abortion rights candidates were defeated, an example of how the Superior Court Roe/Wade decision has impacted on the young, especially females.
The US is no longer living in a world of hats with white gloves and pearls circa 1959 and a woman?s right to choose what to do with her body has been supported for decades.That was accepted by Americans in poll after poll in recent years. But not apparently by the Supreme Court! These rights were in danger of being removed in some State legislatures (and in the past few months in several States voters have refused to ratify such anti abortion rights laws.) And as one young male voter stated when leaving a polling station a few days ago ?What?s going to be next? Gay rights repealed? Not if I can help it!? And he was correct, imo.
I don?t know what you mean by ?a superiority victory?. Every victory won by votes in the ballot box is a ?superior victory?. I suppose you mean a clear victory by one side or the other? Well, all I know is that in every mid term election for decades the incumbent administration has lost significant seats in Congress. Well it hasn?t happened this time in the same way, leaving Republicans, except for the appalling DeSantis in Florida, floundering, and that includes many Trumpite candidates who lost their battle. Good!! Great, say I!!
An opinion (my opinion above) versus what one reads from reliable (political) sources, basically a copy/paste but not exactly, said it with my own words rather than taking an entire paragraph (a couple of weeks ago).
That is the difference.
I take it then that you are happy with the Dems doing very well in the midterms and Republican candidates and Trumpites losing seats, quite badly in some cases. Wonderful for women who believe in legislatures keeping a female?s right to choose.
Curryong, IMO as I stated previously, any 2 parties that have almost equal results 49/51 isn't good in ''politics''. Nothing to very little gets done. Period, facts, stats. A party with a superior winning, period, facts, stats DOES have the majority here there everywhere which translates to getting things done when a vote comes to any new fed or state decision.
and JUST IN CASE, I dont work for any famous magazine in the USA or elsewhere. I just copy pasted this info weeks ago.
Quote from: wannable on November 08, 2022, 06:56:13 PM
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
^ For more graphics of surveys.
I guess we have to wait for results, but it seems red is the colour.
Now if you want me to analyse the graphic, the large number called TOSS UP 34% is IMO the GenZ voters.
Quote from: wannable on November 13, 2022, 02:46:19 PM
Curryong, IMO as I stated previously, any 2 parties that have almost equal results 49/51 isn't good in ''politics''. Nothing to very little gets done. Period, facts, stats. A party with a superior winning, period, facts, stats DOES have the majority here there everywhere which translates to getting things done when a vote comes to any new fed or state decision.
and JUST IN CASE, I dont work for any famous magazine in the USA or elsewhere. I just copy pasted this info weeks ago.
Australia had minority governments for years earlier this century. Certainly it was difficult but the governing Party Ministers and officials NEGOTiATED with the minor parties to get vital bills through. Yes, Australia has a Parliamentary system but in any democratic system of government political Parties have to recognise realities and learn to get along. In other words, NEGOTIATE about the passage of legislation. I realise this will be a great shock to Republicans and their supporters but that?s how governments all over the world manage to govern.
Australia has had lots of minority State Govts in the past. They have managed to get legislation passed without much trouble. The Gillard Federal Govt ruled with the help of Independents.
Hung parliaments and minority governments ? Parliament of Australia (https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/1011/HungParliaments)
As the Republicans inch towards a small majority in the House (vale Red Wave) I see Trump has made his expected call that he will be running in 2024. Just what the world needs right now! And what a delightful prospect it will be to see DeSantis and he duking it out in the run up to the Presidential Election. Moderate Republicans (if there are any remaining) must be ecstatic!
iview (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-16/trump-2024-announcement-key-moments/101650318)
As I said nothing or turtle pace 🐢 will happen in the Senate and House.
If only Biden hadn't multiple times fall asleep or be suddenly forgetful, lost, misremembering....I mean many many Democratic US voters are scared about that and of the zero control or upper hand he doesn't show to Nancy. I mean the woman is a Alpha female to his Beta male so to speak with the wokers.
Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2022, 02:45:57 PM
As I said nothing or turtle pace 🐢 will happen in the Senate and House.
If only Biden hadn't multiple times fall asleep or be suddenly forgetful, lost, misremembering....I mean many many Democratic US voters are scared about that and of the zero control or upper hand he doesn't show to Nancy. I mean the woman is a Alpha female to his Beta male so to speak with the wokers.
Well, the news has come through that Nancy will not be Minority Leader in the House. She?s decided to ?give way to a new generation of Democrats?. Or more likely has decided that hubby needs some TLC. At 82 retirement is more than overdue, I?d say! If our Senate here, or indeed our PM and Cabinet, was of the age of some Senators in the US, Australians would be laughing and saying ?What the?!?
I posted here at the time of the last US Presidential election that I thought the choice for voters (Trump vs Biden) was abysmal. And the cognitive deterioration seen in Biden during his Presidency has done nothing to change my mind. On the other hand the prospect of DeSantis or another term of Trump as President doesn?t exactly fill me with joy and gladness either.
Probably the best thing Democrats leaders can do is either hope that Biden decides not to run in 2024, or that they lean on him with pleasant suggestions of retirement with Jilly, lol. Then change VPs from the mess that is Ms Harris, the job is clearly beyond her, and start with a completely new team. Who? Well, probably Buttergeig or similar and a new up and coming VP plucked from somewhere new, hopefully from the progressive wing of the Party but I?m not holding my breath!
No potential FDRs or even JFKs in the wings being considered it seems, to face up to the dreadful pair on the GOP side. The saying is that a country always ends up with the government it deserves. What does that say about the divided entity that is the US at the moment? Unfortunately, IMO nothing that could be considered optimistic..
I like that, new generation
Quote from: wannable on November 18, 2022, 10:50:31 PM
I like that, new generation
Yeah, probably a new generation of about 65, judging by some serving in Congress!
^That's okay, but the Trump then Biden disasters have created ''new'' FIRSTS in the political history for the USA
The first (openly) lesbian governor
The first Gen Z member of Congress (age 25)
The first LGBT and immigrant member of Congress
The first states led by two women, at least two states elected women to the positions of governor and lieutenant governor (Massachusetts, Arkansas)
The first South Asian woman lieutenant governor (mixed race India-American)
The first transgender man elected to a state legislature
^That's a lot of firsts, good luck to them.
It is a lot of firsts but possibly, even probably, the people you mentioned would have fought for and gained their positions anyway as they were able and forthright persons, who appealed to the voters. And why should it be political disasters that have provided the impetus.
And I cannot see Trump, or significant sections of the GOP, enthusiastically backing candidates who are/were LGBT, especially not transgender individuals. It was fear that such rights as they had would be whittled away that drove many young female and gay Gen Zs to the polling booths. Nor, considering Trump?s anti-migrant rhetoric for many years, he and those who follow him, keenly welcoming any say South American migrant to any office.
As I said in a recent post Jacinda Ardern and the Labor Party have become unpopular with voters for about the last 18 months. Jacinda has to call an election by mid January 2023 and Labor is about five points behind the Nationals at the moment. She?s actually been fading in polls since last year so she may be on the out.
Jacinda Ardern dealt major blow as National support surges ahead of New Zealand election | World | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1705725/jacinda-ardern-national-labor-new-zealand-polls-general-election-christopher-luxon-ont)
PM Sunak and EU President Von der Leyen come to an agreement on Brexit and Northern Ireland.
NI Brexit deal: Sunak and Von der Leyen to announce new trade agreement - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-64779415)
QuoteHere's a quick recap of what Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Ursula von der Leyen said at their press conference just now.
Sunak hailed a ?decisive breakthrough? with the EU regarding a future trade arrangements for Northern Ireland.
Von der Leyen described the Windsor Framework, as it is called, as ?historic? and said it allowed both sides to begin a ?new chapter?.
Sunak said the deal achieved three things:
The removal of ?any sense of border in the Irish sea?. He pledged a smoother and less bureaucratic flow of goods from the rest of the UK into Northern Ireland ? using a system of green lanes and red lanes
The enhanced availability of British products in Northern Ireland - including medicines. Sunak said a ?landmark settlement? meant drugs approved by the UK regulator would be made available in Northern Ireland as well
It also "safeguards sovereignty for Northern Ireland". Sunak said the NI Assembly would be able to stop EU goods laws applying in Northern Ireland - by using a ?Stormont brake?. Von der Leyen stressed this was an emergency mechanism, and said the European Court of Justice would continue to have the final say on single market issues
The prime minister described the proposals as a ?turning point? for Northern Ireland that would end uncertainty.
But he acknowledged that political parties would want to consider the proposals in detail. He said the UK Parliament would ?have a vote at the appropriate time and that vote will be respected?.
I suppose this thread is correct? I don?t know, as it isn?t about elections or PMs, but about a possible Accord in NI and Ireland re the border, transport of goods, etc. People have become a bit hot under the collar in Britain about Charles meeting the EU representative about it, but the actual agreement reached appears hopeful, which is good, as the border question has become quite difficult since Britain began its proceedings to withdraw from the EU.
Quite a long but very interesting article about it.
Northern Ireland protocol deal: New Windsor Framework is ?workable and durable?, Taoiseach says ? The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/02/27/northern-ireland-protocol-deal-eu-uk-brexit/)
?The new agreement between the European Union and British government on the Northern Protocol has provided solutions that are ?agreeable, workable and durable,? Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.
Mr Varadkar said that the solution was a ?uniquely favourable? arrangement for Northern Ireland as it would allow for free movement of goods between it and Britain. He also said the Windsor Framework would not water down the Protocol.
However, he accepted that the EU was willing to make more concessions because of the challenges facing Europe, particularly the energy crisis.
He said Brexit was a concept on paper before it became operational.
After it happened, there was more understanding of how Brexit and the Protocol had affected trade movement in reality.?
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