QuotePrince William is to become a full-time student again for 10 weeks in order to study agricultural management, Kensington Palace announced.
William, who has only just become father to Prince George is set to go back to University and will learn about the issues facing the UK's rural communities and farming industry.
The 31-year-old Duke of Cambridge will take up his course next week in the city of his namesake and it is expected that the studies will give him a good grounding for his future role running the Duchy of Cornwall.
Speaking about the course, a spokesman said William was "very much looking forward to it."
More: Prince William to become a full-time student again for 10 weeks | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/451150/Prince-William-to-become-a-full-time-student-again-for-10-weeks)
Cindy
My boyfriend guessed this back in September. It will be good for William because I have a feeling he will take a big role in the management of the Duchy of Cornwall as Charles takes on more of the Queen's duties.
Farming makes up a large part of the Duchy's income.
Home | The Duchy of Cornwall (http://duchyofcornwall.org/)
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QuoteThe Duke of Cambridge is to spend 10 weeks at Cambridge University studying agricultural management in the New Year, Kensington Palace has announced.
He will attend seminars and lectures with other students as part of a "bespoke" course which will help him prepare for his future role in charge of the Duchy of Cornwall, which he will inherit when his father becomes king.
More: Duke of Cambridge to study agriculture at Cambridge University - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-william/10542703/Duke-of-Cambridge-to-study-agriculture-at-Cambridge-University.html)
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on December 30, 2013, 03:32:25 PM
My boyfriend guessed this back in September. It will be good for William because I have a feeling he will take a big role in the management of the Duchy of Cornwall as Charles takes on more of the Queen's duties.
Farming makes up a large part of the Duchy's income.
Home | The Duchy of Cornwall (http://duchyofcornwall.org/)
[/quote Agriculture will always be an important aspect of any nation's economy. :nod: People want to be fed after all. Considering that William is likely to be in this position as heir-to-the-heir for quite awhile, it's in his best interest to learn more about his nation's economic role at home and abroad. IMHO it's a good plan in addition to his taking on more royal duties.
The late Prince Claus of the NL encourage his son to take up water management as a side interest during his years as the Prince of Orange. It had him involved with an issue that was an important aspect for a nation that has had to cope with water for centuries.
From Twitter:
Tim Ewart @EwartRoyale
William will be at Cambridge Uni for 10 weeks with 18-20 hours of lectures per week. He'll have his own rooms if he wants to stay
aul Harrison @SkyNewsRoyal
#royal Prince #William will not take exams and will not graduate - this is a bespoke executive education programme #backtoschool
Robert Jobson @theroyaleditor
Student #PrinceWilliam will have accommodation while he studies at Cambridge University although he is not expected use them every night.
Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror
The course is designed to provide William with an understanding of contemporary issues affecting agricultural business and rural communities
Cindy
Interesting... I have always wondered why he didn't major in something more useful in college.
Video: Cambridge prepares to welcome Prince William | Anglia - ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2013-12-30/cambridge-prepares-to-welcome-prince-william/)
I applaud William for doing this-- it makes a lot of sense for him to learn more about issues he will eventually need to deal with once he is in charge of the Duchy.
The only thing that perplexes me is why he will be living in Cambridge...even part-time. ("William is expected to live in Cambridge for some of the while he is studying...") I thought part of the reason he left RAF was because he wanted to be around Kate and George. Cambridge isn't that far from London-- he could easily commute. :hmm:
It's not set in concrete that he'll be staying at Cambridge ... that was a journalist's guess. Another journalist in another article guesses that he'll probably commute, and another guesses that he'll go home on the weekends. Maybe on the days that he has a particularly heavy load of studying, he may stay overnight (or more).
Cindy
QuotePrince William will almost certainly have to do some serious swotting on the high-powered bespoke 10-week agricultural management course at Cambridge University.
He is much more likely to end up burning the midnight oil than find his studies are a doddle.
The course will be run by the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership (CPSL) which has 25 years experience of teaching senior executives from multi-national firms, development banks and government agencies.
More: Prince William will find Cambridge University course far from easy - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-find-cambridge-university-2973817)
William should be taking up public duties too since as the Queen gives appearances to Charles, he is naturally the next in line to take up Charles work. And not only Duchy work. Let's see how this all turns out. Maybe he should have done this right after Uni before he got married. I hope this doesn't mean Kate disappears and does very little.
I hope she doesn't feel the need to rent a house so she and George can be closer to William.
^
Honestly, I'd be a bit relieved if they rented a house, despite the expense. In the last year, W&K haven't spent a ton of time living under one roof (at least until after George was born)...I'd like to see them have the family time they claim they crave. At this point, I wonder if W&K are happier living apart.
Press Release:
QuoteThe Duke of Cambridge to Undertake an Agricultural Management Course
The Duke of Cambridge is to undertake a 10-week bespoke programme in agricultural management, organised by the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership at the University of Cambridge.
The executive education programme of seminars, lectures and meetings will draw on the strengths of academics across the university. It will start in early January and run until mid-March.
The course has been designed to help provide The Duke with an understanding of contemporary issues affecting agricultural business and rural communities in the United Kingdom.
More: Press release (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/news-and-diary/9308/press-release)
Cindy
Prince William announces plans to study agricultural course in Cambridge in 2014 - hellomagazine.com (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2013123016313/prince-william-agricultural-course-cambridge-2014/)
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QuotePrince William studied farm management for ten weeks
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Quote from: sandy on December 31, 2013, 12:06:21 AM
William should be taking up public duties too since as the Queen gives appearances to Charles, he is naturally the next in line to take up Charles work. And not only Duchy work. Let's see how this all turns out. Maybe he should have done this right after Uni before he got married. I hope this doesn't mean Kate disappears and does very little.
The PoW, Princess Royal and DoC are now taking on some of HM's investiture duties. Apparently they can run for a long time and HM was finding the standing and using her father's sword to be fatiguing. As the BRF begins their 2014 calendar, I believe that he will be taking on more of these duties. :)
Not that I am against William returning to school but why didn't Charles insist that William take relevant courses at St Andrews to prepare him for his future?. I really believe that instead of taking a bespoke course at Cambridge William should be learning from Charles and the trustees that actually run the Duchy. I don't recall Charles taking courses for this and he has helped make the Duchy more successful and profitable.
^ Pure PR spin to deflect attention from the fact he does nothing all day ... those tactics wouldn't be necessary if he was a functioning adult ...
I have to agree with you here Eri. I truly believe Charles and the trustees could prepare him better then Cambridge. I found that out in college when I got my degree and went to work in my field. I learned more from working then I did in classes and a lot of what I learned wasn't even taught. Charles has involved himself deeply and hired advisers to guide him but as I said I don't believe he took Uni courses he just implemented his own ideas and sought advise as to whether or not they could work as was his success with organic farming and his Poundbury development.
Of course, William will learn (and has learned) many things from his father's involvement with the Duchy. But it never hurts to have a formal education in the field that will be your life's work. I don't know anyone who's lost by furthering their education.
Cindy
Yeah, its time to learn more about asparagus Seduction Meals - aphrodisiacs (http://www.seductionmeals.com/aphrodisiacs/)
Harry consumed a plate of asparagus for another reason than stopping increased area of bald patch, leaked by spin PR doctors of Pirnce William
Poor Kate, William needs to learn a lot but I am not shocked he knows big zero and he makes zero effect bcs any commoner except princess will moan and groan event this spoilt brat stands 2 metres away from the commoner girl who goes after a tiara
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I'm sorry, but what does asparagus (which does nothing more than make your urine smell odd after eating it) have to do with William taking a course in agriculture?
Cindy
Quote from: Trudie on January 01, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
Not that I am against William returning to school but why didn't Charles insist that William take relevant courses at St Andrews to prepare him for his future?. I really believe that instead of taking a bespoke course at Cambridge William should be learning from Charles and the trustees that actually run the Duchy. I don't recall Charles taking courses for this and he has helped make the Duchy more successful and profitable.
He is doing both. William has been visiting farms on the Duchy and also attending council meetings. The course William is taking will be run by the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership (CPSL) which has 25 years experience of teaching senior executives from multi-national firms, development banks and government agencies. Prince Charles is Patron of CPSL, so he obviously feels William will benefit from this.
Willy will learn by doing things not by PRETENDING to do something to deflect attention from the fact his grandfather (92) does more than he does !!!
I think you'll find Harry does the least of everyone and soon the media is going to ask questions about whether Harry is doing all he can do. When is the last time Harry has been in an Apache helicopter?
^ See? Deflection !!! :sneeze: Harry has nothing to do with the topic at hand and turning the conversation on him won't change how useless Willy is !!! :Lothwen: Besides that Harry is a rich man who can afford to do nothing all day Willy is the future King of England whose future depends on the good will of the people who are catching up to the fact they can do WITHOUT him ...
QuoteSpeaking about the course, a spokesman said William was "very much looking forward to it
Good for him! :thumbsup:
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 01, 2014, 02:40:07 PM
I think you'll find Harry does the least of everyone and soon the media is going to ask questions about whether Harry is doing all he can do. When is the last time Harry has been in an Apache helicopter?
Harry is not going to be given the riches, accolades and position of the future King, compare them with Charles, Diana, Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip. See how well Kate and William compare. :hmm: You and the rest of the Kate brigade really enjoy putting Harry down to raise her and William.
Can't they be admired and defended on their own merits? The answer is no, because they don't do enough to stand on their own two feet as far as explaining why they should be admired. As far as Harry, he does have a job and has worked more for his charities than Kate has in three years, just WWTW alone he spent 3 weeks with them (not counting all the time spent training as engagements) and all the hours spent on the trip for Halo were not counted as individual engagements either, while Kate has spent 10 hours in nine engagements with her charities in 2013.
The rest of her less than 80 working hours were spent on galas, awards and tagging along with other royals to boost her numbers and make her be seen since, having so few charities, she has so few engagements of her own. The media should be asking about the unemployed thirty two year old grown woman who has barely lifted a finger her entire adult life instead of being content to crown her Fashion Queen as if that were an acceptable lifestyle for a future queen.
Harry has passed all the tests he was supposed to pass, and very few of his engagements have not involved his charities or have involved galas, award ceremonies and other fun dress-up activities not directly related to his charities so, no matter how you look at it, her numbers (given that she is otherwise unemployed) and her lack of work-ethic and charitable activities throughout her entire adult life are nothing to brag about.
Please do not bring harry down he's done a lot this year and to even have the number he does is amazing imo A full time job as an army pilot.In the summer promoted to apache aircraft commander (" the promote came after months of training and a 6 hours assessment").Trained for the south trekk race.Participated there and so on ....Considering these, his numbers are just fine.Others should feel a little embarassed about theirs...
William's record stands on its own, no need for me to bolster it.
When William was in the RAF, people accused him of receiving special treatment because he is royal, does Harry receive special treatment from the Army because he is a senior royal?
Harry is a aircraft COMMANDER and has been in THE FRONT LINES TWICE he has also SET UP HIS OWN CHARITY ... all that and he goes off to The South Pole for his Charity for 5 weeks is it convenient to compare him to Will for Will? :hehe: Me thinks NOT ...
Personally, I don't get comparisons, so I don't know why any of the three should be compared to each other. But check out Harry's section. It's peppered quite frequently with comparisons to both William and Kate ... how lazy they are compared to Harry, and how much Harry is all-around better than they are. According to Mr. O'Donovan, who keeps track of all British Royal engagements, and is published monthly in The Times, the count for the year 2013 (not a comparison, simply facts):
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 62
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 44
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 52
Cindy
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 01, 2014, 05:50:39 PM
William's record stands on its own, no need for me to bolster it.
When William was in the RAF, people accused him of receiving special treatment because he is royal, does Harry receive special treatment from the Army because he is a senior royal?
. William did receive special treatment, very special treatment and that is a fact. He became a helicopter pilot despite being nearsighted, which no other military person is or has ever been allowed to do (not even after undergoing corrective operation) yet a loophole was created for William which has not been used for any other member of the military so if you have seen William flying a helicopter, he received special treatment, so special that no other pilot in the history of the armed forces has received it. The time Harry is given to do his royal duties was also given to Charles, Andrew, William and the others.
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Quote from: cinrit on January 01, 2014, 06:02:58 PM
Personally, I don't get comparisons, so I don't know why any of the three should be compared to each other. But check out Harry's section. It's peppered quite frequently with comparisons to both William and Kate ... how lazy they are compared to Harry, and how much Harry is all-around better than they are. According to Mr. O'Donovan, who keeps track of all British Royal engagements, and is published monthly in The Times, the count for the year 2013 (not a comparison, simply facts):
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 62
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 44
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 52
Cindy
Not so simple, given that WWTW is Harry's charity every day he spent working with them was working which was over a month. So, that is quite simplistic and, in reality, inaccurate because it is calculated based on appearances and not actual work performed.
So The Times has, for years, published incorrect information? Maybe they need to know about this.
Which loophole are you referring to? And without going through RAF records, it's literally impossible to know that no other person who wears glasses has not been allowed to do the job William did.
QuoteEyesight
The minimum standards for both uncorrected and corrected vision vary for different roles and are determined by RAF medical staff.
Whatever role you’re applying for, your spectacle or contact lens correction must not be greater than -6 dioptres or +6 dioptres in any meridian. If you have impaired colour perception (colour blindness) it won’t prevent you from joining the RAF, but it may limit what roles you can choose.
If necessary, talk to your optician about what your eye prescription is and whether it may affect your application. Remember, you’ll need to take a copy with you of any acuity prescription from your optician when you go for your medical examination.
Health checks - Careers (http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/can-i-join/health-checks/)
Cindy
Of course Harry receives special treatment. Harry left Eton with a grade B in his art A-level and a D in geography. He had dropped his third A-level subject, history of art, after taking the AS-level exam. Harry was the only pupil to get a D in the entire class. No one else would have been accepted to Sandhurst with those grades.
How do you know what grades Harry got How do you know the Sandhurst standards? Harry got in and did well so what's the problem?
Both Princes get special privileges.
I doubt the average military person could commandeer a copter to a stag party the way William did).
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 01, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
Of course Harry receives special treatment. Harry left Eton with a grade B in his art A-level and a D in geography. He had dropped his third A-level subject, history of art, after taking the AS-level exam. Harry was the only pupil to get a D in the entire class. No one else would have been accepted to Sandhurst with those grades.
There is no proof of that, however even if that were true, you can't say children of generals or politicians would not have been allowed to enter Sandhurst without stellar grades but there is proof William is nearsighted and no member of the military other than William has EVER been allowed to become a pilot without perfect eyesight or landed on his girlfriend's backyard. There is no record in any British paper of any pilot landing a helicopter in his girlfriend's, parents' neighbors' backyard or even neighborhood park.
BP released Harry's grades when he left Eton, public knowledge and Sandhurst's entrance requirements are on the it's website, also public knowledge.
Harry's supporters accuse William of getting special treatment, I simply pointed out that Harry gets special treatment from the Army.
Quote...you can't say children of generals or politicians would not have been allowed to enter Sandhurst without stellar grades but there is proof William is nearsighted and no member of the military other than William has EVER been allowed to become a pilot without perfect eyesight or landed on his girlfriend's backyard.
:shrug:
Quote from: Limabeany on January 01, 2014, 06:32:12 PM
there is proof William is nearsighted and no member of the military other than William has EVER been allowed to become a pilot without perfect eyesight
Where did you read that no member of the military other than William has ever been allowed to become a pilot without perfect eyesight? Because I believe it must be wrong. You can't get any more official than the RAF's own website, and you must've missed the excerpt I posted from it. It's about five posts above this one, and begins with:
"The minimum standards for both uncorrected and corrected vision vary for different roles and are determined by RAF medical staff."Cindy
[mod]Please get back on topic. Discussing Harry's grades and army service has nothing to do with William's plans to study Agricultural Management[/mod]
I don't tink this shows him to be lazy to be doing this course it will just help him when has oversee the Duchy of Cornwall once his father takes throne when ever that is.
Why is William taking this course now since according to his fans he is taking this time off at this time not only to "train" for the position he will hold someday sometime in the future (which he couldn't do while taking part in public duties full time, like his father, he could be slower than Charles...) but also to spend more time with his babybecause they are a young family and he doesn't want to miss this precious time... How is he going to be part of it in Cambridge? The paper also reports that Kate will be concentrating on the baby while William is studying, are these people too precious or too delicate or too simple-minded to function as normal adults with responsibilities inside and outside their home? I do consider adults who work and raise their families normal, unlike William and Kate who seem to think normal is grocery shopping and having your relatives take your special-occasion photos. :shrug: I applaud that he is taking this course at all, but here in this forum, when people started questioning the transition year for the 30something year old healthy male, people said it was wonderful that he wanted to spend time with his baby and that these are precious times, blah, blah, blah so the yiming for this before the baby is even walking seems off...
It isn't William's fault that he is second in line and not the heir. The Queen and Charles would be crazy not to use this time to have William become as prepared as he can be. People want him to prepare for becoming king, well this is part of the preparation.
I think is always good for someone to go back studying..even or william...
Things changes and to be honest i prefer him srtudying than pretending to work...at leats hes doing something...as long as he pays for it coz well if he dont then it will be a problem lets admitt anyway :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
But its always something good..now i agree it is weird he does this now and im sure it will bomb on the internet with commenst about his marriage and how is going...noone in love and adoring his son would want to study abroad and spend time apart from his familly when he is not obliged to..if he takes his familly with him ok..bu if he doesnt it will look like hes trying to scape from something... :hmm:
EVEN if hes not :Lothwen:
Quote from: Limabeany on January 01, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
Why is William taking this course now since according to his fans he is taking this time off at this time not only to "train" for the position he will hold someday sometime in the future (which he couldn't do while taking part in public duties full time, like his father, he could be slower than Charles...) but also to spend more time with his babybecause they are a young family and he doesn't want to miss this precious time... How is he going to be part of it in Cambridge? The paper also reports that Kate will be concentrating on the baby while William is studying, are these people too precious or too delicate or too simple-minded to function as normal adults with responsibilities inside and outside their home? I do consider adults who work and raise their families normal, unlike William and Kate who seem to think normal is grocery shopping and having your relatives take your special-occasion photos. :shrug: I applaud that he is taking this course at all, but here in this forum, when people started questioning the transition year for the 30something year old healthy male, people said it was wonderful that he wanted to spend time with his baby and that these are precious times, blah, blah, blah so the yiming for this before the baby is even walking seems off...
Exactly. This.
I think education is so important, and applaud William's decision, but I don't understand why he would separate himself from Kate and George...even part-time, or even on weekends, or even on heavy study days, etc. They're a family. He could commute...it is not that far. It makes me :hmm:.
No one with the authority to make such a statement has said that William won't commute. The university said that a room has been made available for him, if he needs it; e.g., early class, late night of study.
Cindy
:hmm: It is still full time, plus the commute...
It's full-time if you consider 20 hours per week full-time. The distance between Kensington Palace and Cambridge Uni is (according to Google Maps) one hour 49 minutes. Faster by train, most likely. I worked 40 hours a week and commuted one hour 15 minutes each way to my office for years. It's not a big deal. In fact, I enjoyed it. I put on some music and sang along at the top of my lungs.
Cindy
I don't understand why this bespoke course is being made to seem such a big deal then, it's not like there is a snowball's chance in hell they are going to fail him. :shrug: What could someone with absolutely no experience or background whatsoever in the subject could learn in 10 weeks that would qualify him for management of such a huge enterprise? These courses usually require a background for admittance, but it is bespoke so it's probably specially made for him... I hope he does learn something and grows to be interested in his father's enterprise, I have never seen an inkling of interest before.
For anyone who is interested, here is the website for the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership (CPSL). CPSL will be running the Agricultural Management course William is taking.
Prince Charles is Patron of CPSL and I trust he knows what is best for William in his future position as Duke of Cornwall.
CPSL's Patron: HRH The Prince of Wales (http://www.cpsl.cam.ac.uk/About-Us/Patron.aspx)
Quote from: cinrit on January 02, 2014, 12:35:23 AM
No one with the authority to make such a statement has said that William won't commute. The university said that a room has been made available for him, if he needs it; e.g., early class, late night of study.
Cindy
From the Express:
William, 31, will be given a private place to stay in Cambridge that is
not affiliated to any of the university's colleges but aides say he
might decide to commute from London for much of the week, depending on his timetable."I'm sure he'll go home at weekends. There's a chance he might decide to commute daily," said one senior royal aide. "We'll just have to see how it works out. He might miss the Duchess and George so much that he decides to commute from London every day."
Prince William to become a full-time student again for 10 weeks | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/451150/Prince-William-to-become-a-full-time-student-again-for-10-weeks)
-The university isn't providing him with a place.
-It sounds like staying there is the default, but commuting may happen.
That he would even consider staying in Cambridge at all is my quibble... and makes me concerned.
All the aide is saying is I'm not going to give you the exact details. There are logistic and security concerns. He may stay and he may not stay.
Quote from: Limabeany on January 02, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
I don't understand why this bespoke course is being made to seem such a big deal then, it's not like there is a snowball's chance in hell they are going to fail him. :shrug: What could someone with absolutely no experience or background whatsoever in the subject could learn in 10 weeks that would qualify him for management of such a huge enterprise? These courses usually require a background for admittance, but it is bespoke so it's probably specially made for him... I hope he does learn something and grows to be interested in his father's enterprise, I have never seen an inkling of interest before.
:shrug: I took a 10 week long course a few years back. It was intensive and heavy, heavy work. It was the equivalent of a year long course and I was able to use it to challenge my nurse practitioner licence.
Adult learners are able to absorb a lot of information.......
This is only part of his training. He has worked on farms, did an internship a few years back and has been attending Duchy meetings. It is all part of the transition
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QuotePrince William wants to visit again the university next year. He wants to continue their education in agriculture
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Quote from: Lady AdamsFrom the Express:
William, 31, will be given a private place to stay in Cambridge that is not affiliated to any of the university’s colleges but aides say he might decide to commute from London for much of the week, depending on his timetable.“I’m sure he’ll go home at weekends. There’s a chance he might decide to commute daily,“ said one senior royal aide. “We’ll just have to see how it works out. He might miss the Duchess and George so much that he decides to commute from London every day.”
Prince William to become a full-time student again for 10 weeks | Royal | News | Daily Express
-The university isn't providing him with a place.
-It sounds like staying there is the default, but commuting may happen.
That he would even consider staying in Cambridge at all is my quibble... and makes me concerned.
An unnamed source ("one senior royal aide") is not an official announcement and unlikely to be someone with authority to make announcements. Here is the official announcement:
QuoteThe Duke of Cambridge to Undertake an Agricultural Management Course
The Duke of Cambridge is to undertake a 10-week bespoke programme in agricultural management, organised by the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership at the University of Cambridge.
The executive education programme of seminars, lectures and meetings will draw on the strengths of academics across the university. It will start in early January and run until mid-March.
The course has been designed to help provide The Duke with an understanding of contemporary issues affecting agricultural business and rural communities in the United Kingdom.
More: Press release
Cindy
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 01, 2014, 11:08:30 PM
It isn't William's fault that he is second in line and not the heir. The Queen and Charles would be crazy not to use this time to have William become as prepared as he can be. People want him to prepare for becoming king, well this is part of the preparation.
I have to agree. At this point in time HM and the DoE appear to still want their children doing a larger share of the royal duties. The grandchildren are moving in the direction of taking on more royal engagements, but as far as I can see they're not going to eclipse their parents, aunts, uncles and grandparents just yet. With William retired from SAR, having him do more prep work in addition to taking on more duties is a good use of time. Let's face it HM isn't going to be ending her reign any time soon, so Charles and William are still in waiting mode.
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Quote from: Macrobug on January 02, 2014, 04:09:58 AM
Quote from: Limabeany on January 02, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
I don't understand why this bespoke course is being made to seem such a big deal then, it's not like there is a snowball's chance in hell they are going to fail him. :shrug: What could someone with absolutely no experience or background whatsoever in the subject could learn in 10 weeks that would qualify him for management of such a huge enterprise? These courses usually require a background for admittance, but it is bespoke so it's probably specially made for him... I hope he does learn something and grows to be interested in his father's enterprise, I have never seen an inkling of interest before.
:shrug: I took a 10 week long course a few years back. It was intensive and heavy, heavy work. It was the equivalent of a year long course and I was able to use it to challenge my nurse practitioner licence.
Adult learners are able to absorb a lot of information.......
This is only part of his training. He has worked on farms, did an internship a few years back and has been attending Duchy meetings. It is all part of the transition
Excellent point Macrobug. :goodpost:
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Quote from: Lady Adams on January 02, 2014, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: cinrit on January 02, 2014, 12:35:23 AM
No one with the authority to make such a statement has said that William won't commute. The university said that a room has been made available for him, if he needs it; e.g., early class, late night of study.
Cindy
From the Express:
William, 31, will be given a private place to stay in Cambridge that is not affiliated to any of the university's colleges but aides say he might decide to commute from London for much of the week, depending on his timetable."I'm sure he'll go home at weekends. There's a chance he might decide to commute daily," said one senior royal aide. "We'll just have to see how it works out. He might miss the Duchess and George so much that he decides to commute from London every day."
Prince William to become a full-time student again for 10 weeks | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/451150/Prince-William-to-become-a-full-time-student-again-for-10-weeks)
-The university isn't providing him with a place.
-It sounds like staying there is the default, but commuting may happen.
That he would even consider staying in Cambridge at all is my quibble... and makes me concerned.
IMHO there is the possibility that part of this course will involve quite literally "field trips" and will take them away to rural areas. The next day's classes might begin early and won't allow for back and forth commuter time to happen in a reasonable time. I don't think William should use a helicopter to travel back and forth to cut on drive time either. :wink: That REALLY won't go over well. This is a couple that are used to being apart during the work week. He was staying on base when his team was on duty and the couple appear to have survived this time.
I don't see Charles is "waiting mode" since he was in his early twenties he worked for the Firm. There's no reason William cannot pitch in more. Preparation does not involve sitting back and doing very little and I am not buying into the "behind the scenes" excuse.
I agree, Sandy. Charles is not and has never been in waiting mode as far as his duties are concerned, Charles is, as far as work is concerned more like his parents than William is like either of his parents. At William's age, he had already founded the Prince's Trust and had many other interests. William doesn't even seem to have any interest one can point to that he has been involved with for a long time, like his father and gardening, farming and spiritual knowledge and knowledge of different cultures.
The reason Charles has never been in waiting mode (actually, he is in waiting mode in one sense) is because he was automatically the heir presumptive, then created Prince of Wales. William is neither one. There's the difference.
Cindy
Why is William and his wife taking up all the perks? They are a joke...the pair of them IMO. Take, take, take and give sweet sod all back. Kate hidden in Berkshire costing the TP a fortune to secure the roads around Middleton Manor for no reason other than Kate cannot function without her Mother and I assume this will be the status quo whilst William is learning how to be a farmer. That's another joke .....for another day.
I refuse to buy any more excuses for William and his wife. Honestly....what a pair.
He is learning how to control a very large estate, that needs training.
Charles learned on the go. William is a grown man in his thirties who should not be treated like a delicate little flower. He is a very adult man who should be working working and assuming the myriad of responsibilities adult assume without the fear of him and Kate having a meltdown if the exert themselves working. They are not that young. They are full blown adults.
I don't see how taking a program put together by a world renowned university is "treating him like a delicate flower"...... :whatcanisay: People go back to school as adults all the time. Continuing education is never a waste. Right now is a perfect time for William to do this. His grandmother is still in good health and his father is able to spend the time to teach him. Once QE dies, PC will be getting used to his role as king. Why not use the time now
Treating him like a delicate flower means 60 something engagements for a man whose other job has been over for the latter part of the year is not justifiable considering his age yet most people justify it with everything from he is a new father to he will be working the rest of is life when he finally is King to he just got married to, you name it, excuses that would not be applicable or cute for a normal grown man. Continuing education is never a waste, I study new things all the time but I don't see why he can't study and work like normal people, especially considering his work consists of greeting people and smiling for an hour or two or why he couldn't be a father and husband and worked more than 70 some hours this whole year (he only worked the first half of it as a pilot so no adult excuses, of course there is the perennial Cambridge favorite behind the scenes ghost stories... :shrug:
He "left" the RAF as an operational member in September. How many of his royal duties were done while he was still in the RAF and from the middle of September to December?
I think that this is excellent practical training and I am happy he is doing it.
Quote from: stepperry on January 03, 2014, 02:43:48 AM
He "left" the RAF as an operational member in September. How many of his royal duties were done while he was still in the RAF and from the middle of September to December?
However many he would have planned if he were forward thinking and interesting in working hard.
Quote from: cinrit on January 02, 2014, 10:11:07 PM
The reason Charles has never been in waiting mode (actually, he is in waiting mode in one sense) is because he was automatically the heir presumptive, then created Prince of Wales. William is neither one. There's the difference.
Cindy
Cindy Charles was never heir presumptive he has been Heir Apparent his mother was heir presumptive since it was possible her mother and father could have had a son. Charles is in waiting mode to become His Majesty however, Charles has always hit the ground running with his charitable work and implementing ideas to make the people lives easier and in a lot of ways healthier.
^^ Sorry ... I know that ... I meant apparent. My mistake.
Cindy
Quote from: Macrobug on January 03, 2014, 01:02:47 AM
I don't see how taking a program put together by a world renowned university is "treating him like a delicate flower"...... :whatcanisay: People go back to school as adults all the time. Continuing education is never a waste. Right now is a perfect time for William to do this. His grandmother is still in good health and his father is able to spend the time to teach him. Once QE dies, PC will be getting used to his role as king. Why not use the time now
:goodpost:
'A Kensington Palace spokesman said that Prince William is likely to spend two or three nights a week in Cambridge while studying.'
Cambridge students turn on Prince William, as he plans to study with them | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533165/Williams-mediocre-A-Levels-insult-Cambridge-students-turn-Prince-announces-studying-them.html#ixzz2pMCnyUrc)
Again, I applaud William for studying, but think it's a shame that he's spending time away from his family, when Cambridge is easily commutable by train or car.
Cambridge students turn on Prince William, as he plans to study with them | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533165/Williams-mediocre-A-Levels-insult-Cambridge-students-turn-Prince-announces-studying-them.html#ixzz2pMCnyUrc)
Quote
Cambridge students have rounded on Prince William for getting a 'free pass' place at Cambridge University, while falling short of their usual exacting standards.
The Duke of Cambridge, 31, was admitted to the prestigious institution for a 10-week 'bespoke' course in agricultural management, which will see him study for 18 to 20 hours a week at part of the university's school of Technology.
But students and graduates were quick to point out that the Prince's 'mediocre' results from his A-Level studies at Eton were not up to the standards of the average Cambridge student. While the university now asks for two A grades and an A* at A-Level in order to study undergraduate courses - with even harsher offers for some - Prince William only achieved ABC in his studies.
Entry requirements for postgraduates such as the Prince - who already holds a geography degree from St Andrew's university - are not the same as for younger students. But his acceptance on the course has still been described as an 'insult' to everybody studying there.
'Admitting Prince William is an insult to every student, whatever their background, who got into Cambridge by getting the required A-level or degree results.'
'It's an insult to every student whose A-levels and degree are the same or better than his, and who didn't get a free pass to Cambridge in spite of them.
'And it's an insult to everyone in the country who needs skills or training, and hasn't had a university course personally designed for them.'
I'm not sure why they're upset. This isn't a post-graduate class. At the most, he'll get a completion certificate at the end of the course. Anyone can take extra non-credential university courses, no matter their grades. Or maybe it's different in the U.K.
Cindy
The Managers run the Duchy - let's not kid ourselves.... William will be hidden for another 10 weeks and so will Kate taking care of George with a fleet of staff and Mother...... Just another excuse for the pair of them lazy "HRH's"
Just like his father....when he asked the chauffeur why he did not go to University
Because, Sir I got the same grades as you.....
I don't know if that's a true story or a joke, SC, but it's funny! :lol:
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on January 03, 2014, 07:34:13 PM
I'm not sure why they're upset. This isn't a post-graduate class. At the most, he'll get a completion certificate at the end of the course. Anyone can take extra non-credential university courses, no matter their grades. Or maybe it's different in the U.K.
Cindy
Cindy,
Exactly! Every prestigious college has non-degree/non-credit programs in addition to degree granting programs. I think it is a misunderstanding or the Cambridge students did not really make these statements.
From the graduate courses I, and people I know, have taken, universities have guidelines as far as grades are concerned. This doesn't indicate what those guidelines would be for graduate studies (certificate or otherwise) in Cambridge.
Except this is not a graduate course. It's just a free-standing course in land management. William is not being "admitted to the university", any more than any of us would be admitted to a university if we decided to take one free-standing course. I'm a little surprised the students don't understand that.
Cindy
It is the DM making a story out of the comments of one person. :Lothwen:
Quote from: Limabeany on January 03, 2014, 09:41:26 PM
From the graduate courses I, and people I know, have taken, universities have guidelines as far as grades are concerned. This doesn't indicate what those guidelines would be for graduate studies (certificate or otherwise) in Cambridge.
No one can get a full degree in 10 weeks. So we can rule out that it is a degree program, right? He is also not sitting for exams one article pointed out, so that makes sense since it is not a degree program. People can audit, to sit in and not take exams or receive a grade, graduate and undergraduate courses at just about any university.
Actually, to take any course at any university you must be admitted and there are standards, also, there are certificate courses that last 10-12 weeks and even less, but there are admissions standards for all institutions, of course, it could be that simply having a future king as their student is enough for them, but everyone who attends a course at a university is someone with the right to say that they attended such university (even if they did not graduate or attain a certificate), we all care about our name and reputation and so do institutions like universities and other organizations, perhaps it is enough that their reputation is enhanced by having a future king (whatever his merits or lack thereof). He is not auditing or sitting in, he is actually taking the courses but he is not going to be exposed by the university or his father or whomever to the possibility of embarrassment by taking exams.
If no exam, degree, or grade = auditing. Sitting in. William is not getting a degree.
There is no substantive admission procedures (no transcripts, recommendations) for taking non-degree courses at most of the university and colleges in this country. Admission applies to degree granting programs, perhaps some certificaton courses, but not a non-degree status.
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 04, 2014, 05:03:44 AM
If no exam, degree, or grade = auditing. Sitting in. William is not getting a degree.
There is no substantive admission procedures (no transcripts, recommendations) for taking non-degree courses at most of the university and colleges in this country. Admission applies to degree granting programs, perhaps some certificaton courses, but not a non-degree status.
I agree Blue Clover. This sounds like a exactly like an "extended education" or "continuing education program."
QuoteContinuing education at Cambridge offers a vibrant and diverse array of subjects and courses for personal and professional development. We offer short non-credit courses, residential and summer schools, and part-time, award-bearing programmes ranging from Undergraduate Certificates through to Master of Studies degrees.
Courses take place throughout the year. Many are taught at our headquarters, Madingley Hall; though we also offer some courses in central Cambridge, London, and online. Our flexible approach to learning makes the University of Cambridge accessible to everyone.
What we do - University of Cambridge Institute of Continuing Education (http://www.ice.cam.ac.uk/what-we-do)
Cindy
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 04, 2014, 05:03:44 AM
If no exam, degree, or grade = auditing. Sitting in. William is not getting a degree.
There is no substantive admission procedures (no transcripts, recommendations) for taking non-degree courses at most of the university and colleges in this country. Admission applies to degree granting programs, perhaps some certificaton courses, but not a non-degree status.
Auditing a course:
QuoteAuditing a course allows a a student to take a class without the benefit of a grade or credit for a course. A student who audits a course does so for the purposes of self-enrichment and academic exploration. An auditor is considered a passive learner and may not recite in class or take examinations, but is expected to attend classes with reasonable regularity and do some assigned work.
Students who audit a course are required to pay fees as though the course was being taken on a credit basis.
A student will receive a grade of S (Satisfactory) or NR (No Report) for an audited course.
So, nothing is required of him but showing up (not consistently) and if he wishes to do some assigned work...
Limabeany,
That is right! :nod: The only requirement is showing up. There are no academic demands, the process is for your own enrichment.
Quote from: TLLK on January 04, 2014, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 04, 2014, 05:03:44 AM
If no exam, degree, or grade = auditing. Sitting in. William is not getting a degree.
There is no substantive admission procedures (no transcripts, recommendations) for taking non-degree courses at most of the university and colleges in this country. Admission applies to degree granting programs, perhaps some certificaton courses, but not a non-degree status.
I agree Blue Clover. This sounds like a exactly like an "extended education" or "continuing education program."
TLLK,
Exactly! Those are the right terms. It is hard to find a college or university, including Harvard, that does not have extenstion, extended, or continuing education programs. :thumbsup:
QuoteIf he was expecting a hero's welcome from fellow students when he begins a course at Cambridge University next week, the Duke of Cambridge may have to think again.
The news that the Duke will spend a term studying a "bespoke" course in agriculture has prompted a backlash from other students who resent him being given a "free pass" when they had to work so hard to get there.
In its report on the Duke's imminent arrival, the university student newspaper The Tab pointed out that: "Normally students need A*AA at A-level to gain entry to Cambridge University, whilst the Prince only achieved a mediocre ABC.
Cambridge University backlash at Duke of Cambridge's 'free pass' to study there - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-william/10549978/Cambridge-University-backlash-at-Duke-of-Cambridges-free-pass-to-study-there.html)
I've heard this course being described as "bespoke" which would mean that it is being tailored to William. So is he the only one taking the course? Is it specifically for the running of the Duchy of Cornwall? And if so, then why does he have to go to Cambridge at all?
Lothwen,
Good questions!
^^ Probably because, as it was explained, there will be more than just classes. There will be lectures, field trips, seminars, films, etc., and it may be easier to coordinate all of that at the university itself, rather than trying to find places in any of the palaces or institutions in London.
Cindy
^^^All of that just for Willam or a group of people?
^^ I don't know, it doesn't say. It's in a couple of the articles, and also in the formal announcement from Charles' website:
QuoteThe Duke of Cambridge to Undertake an Agricultural Management Course
The Duke of Cambridge is to undertake a 10-week bespoke programme in agricultural management, organised by the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership at the University of Cambridge.
The executive education programme of seminars, lectures and meetings will draw on the strengths of academics across the university. It will start in early January and run until mid-March.
The course has been designed to help provide The Duke with an understanding of contemporary issues affecting agricultural business and rural communities in the United Kingdom.
More: Press release (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/news-and-diary/9308/press-release)
Cindy
Thank you, Cindy. So it's only for William.
Exactly. This is a personal course designed specifically for him.
Good for William going back to school; I want to go as well, but I want an MA. It's also nice seeing him study something that will benefit him in the future.
^You could do the same thing as William. Just get a prestigious university to create a specific program just for you, tailored to your needs.
^Here is the website. From what I read, it is open to anyone. Bespoke programs is what they do. No need to be a member of the RF.
Our Process | Sustainability Customised Programmes | CPSL - Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership (http://www.cpsl.cam.ac.uk/Customised-Programmes/Our-Process.aspx)
William's on his way ? and Cambridge should be ashamed | Education | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/dec/31/william-at-cambridge-shame)
Someone has her tail in a knot. Basically she is having a tantrum because PW attending Cambridge will make her less "special". Eh, get over yourself. :Lothwen:
Macrobug,
You are brilliant to go right to the website! How smart! :clap:
Left over trauma from uni years.....still wake up in a cold sweat with flashbacks of profs looming over me barking out "Show me the research!! Conclusive proof!!! Who are your sources???"
Gah :ahhh:
Quote from: Macrobug on January 05, 2014, 04:18:19 AM
^Here is the website. From what I read, it is open to anyone. Bespoke programs is what they do. No need to be a member of the RF.
Our Process | Sustainability Customised Programmes | CPSL - Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership (http://www.cpsl.cam.ac.uk/Customised-Programmes/Our-Process.aspx)
William's on his way ? and Cambridge should be ashamed | Education | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/dec/31/william-at-cambridge-shame)
Someone has her tail in a knot. Basically she is having a tantrum because PW attending Cambridge will make her less "special". Eh, get over yourself. :Lothwen:
I agree, that woman's outrage is over the top. I wonder if more students do really mind or if more are looking forward tothe possibility of seeing him every day. The academic elites cqn be more snobbish than the aristocracy even, but I would think it is more the latter.
All universities have these courses, mainly for organizations, who else can afford them? But, the press made it seem he would be taking it with other people when they talked about him having to study hard, etc...
QuoteIf his new life as a mature student gets too much for the Duke of Cambridge, he can always run away and hide in Nettleton. "We are a bit remote, but he'd be welcome here," says Diane Bell, who runs the shop and post office in this tiny village in north Wiltshire. "He would learn a lot from us. We need a new champion for the countryside and he would be a great one."
This ardent royalist is all of a flutter at having been given a totally unexpected British Empire Medal in the New Year Honours, a reward for 36 years of service to her village, in the shop she started in her front room. The announcement was made on the same day that it emerged the Duke of Cambridge was going back to college to study agricultural management. The 10-week course, which starts this week, will prepare him to take on his father's role as a voice for the countryside and to manage the Duchy of Cornwall.
Mrs Bell believes Prince William might be just what is needed as a spokesman for rural England. "Nobody is listening to us. The politicians all say that they are, but they don't do anything about it. We need someone like him to speak up on our behalf."
Prince William: a new voice for the countryside - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/countryside/10549018/prince-william-countrside-cambridge-university-duke-of-cambridge-rural-britain-faarming.html)
I think that the students at Cambridge can have a certain opinion about William getting into a course there and it being used as pr, as if he really went there. But the truth is that it is just a continuing education course, which many universities do, that does not end in any qualification. So as long as he doesn't brag about "going to Cambridge uni" as if he actually was a real student then he should be fine. Many people work hard every day and have to earn their places at higher education institutions and as long as this isn't pushed as a pr thing of how smart he is then it is just another part of his training for his future role as Pow and monarch. I think it's a good thing and can help him more fully understand how his future income will be derived. The Duchy is a business portfolio and he will never actually run it himself, there are business professionals that do that. The main point is for him to understand how these things work and not to take them for granted. IMO, he is going in the right direction and is taking his role seriously. Those students do also get to have an opinion, but luckily their opinions do not run the world. :wink:
:goodpost:
You make excellent points.
Quote from: Macrobug on January 05, 2014, 08:29:56 AM
Left over trauma from uni years.....still wake up in a cold sweat with flashbacks of profs looming over me barking out "Show me the research!! Conclusive proof!!! Who are your sources???"
Gah :ahhh:
Profs can be downright terrifying when it comes to evidence and proof! :random38: :pullhair:
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 05, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Macrobug on January 05, 2014, 08:29:56 AM
Left over trauma from uni years.....still wake up in a cold sweat with flashbacks of profs looming over me barking out "Show me the research!! Conclusive proof!!! Who are your sources???"
Gah :ahhh:
Profs can be downright terrifying when it comes to evidence and proof! :random38: :pullhair:
I've been out of my master's program for 16 years now. I still wake up in a panic with nightmares about school. I always seem to forget that I've enrolled in a course, but only show up for the mid-terms and finals. Someone hands me a blue book and then I'm taking an exam in which I know nothing about the course. Actually have to remind myself that I am not enrolled!!!! :cry:
TLLK,
I know what you mean about school related nightmares! :hug?:
I thouhg i was the only one who hd such nightmares :lol:
Good to know anyway...
About william i think is good hes doing something..it does seems to me logical and good what else can be said anyway...but still i do think what motivating him has more to deal with his life being boring and he wanting dome change than necoming more serious about he becoming a royal...i even believe he wants to learn and dedicate to somehting else but i dont buy for one second is coz he wnats to be a better royals :Lothwen:
I know i might be too rigorous about my views on him but i cant deny thats how i see it anyway... :shrug:
Again whathever the reason is it shows clearlly one thing..hes not really happy about his new life neither as a father neither as hunband...if he is anywya many rumours will come oput of it anyway..epseically about he becoming friendlly with girls on campus such things..while kate is at home taking care o fthe baby and blabalbalabla...my views anyway...
I dont find werid the duke of Cambridge is going to Cambridge i do find weird that william is going there and more that the students are not happy about it... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
QuoteCambridge University could face harassment charges over pictures of Prince William
Cambridge University could face harassment charges over pictures of Prince William | Royalty in the News (http://royaltyinthenews.com/cambridge-university-could-face-harassment-charges-over-pictures-of-prince-william)
QuoteMix with the Hoi Polloi at Cambridge! Don's Plea to Wills As Students Ask: How Did He Win a Place?
Mary Beard has weighed into the debate over Prince William studying at Cambridge University by saying he should use the opportunity to meet ordinary students. The Cambridge classicist and TV presenter said it would give the second in line to the throne a chance to learn about those who fear falling into debt or failing to see their hard work translate into successful careers.
.....
The university pointed out that different admission rules apply for William's agricultural course, and that he already has a degree, from St Andrews.
Yesterday Professor Beard told the Daily Mail: 'I very much hope that he will take the opportunity to meet some of our more "ordinary" students, struggling with making ends meet, worried about careers, future and debt.'
More: Mary Beard's plea to Prince William, as Cambridge students ask how he won place | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534351/Mix-hoi-polloi-Cambridge-Dons-plea-Wills-students-ask-How-did-win-place.html)
Cindy
I am beginning to think this is more indicative of the feelings of many regarding William than his fans would want people to believe. I think this is a sign that he is still far from earning the respect and reverence that is no longer given simply because he will one day wear a crown. He needs to get his act together and realize that normal people work and study and multitask all the time without fear of working too hard and that the days when royalty simply hunted and locked themselves in the comfort of their castles away from the masses giving the appearance of not doing much with an adoring public thinking they deserve to live that kind of life while the rest of the people toil away because their blood is blue have been over for a long time.
Queen Elizabeth once said she had to be seen to be believed. William needs to be seen to be believed to be working hard and considered worthy of admiration instead of an entitled privileged man who can't do more than one task at a time in the eye of his peers. The incognito behind-the-scenes stories he and his wife believe they have mastered are not cutting it with people who work hard and live in a world where privilege is not justifiable by birth anymore without question but may be subject to questioning and demands of justification. There will always be royal fans, but William and Kate, like Charles before them, are losing the respect of their peers, or rather not doing anything to earn it. There is not reason for this to happen, except these students, don't seem to have any admiration for William and don't feel they are getting anything valuable from their involvement and contact with the future King, perception is everything, it is the only reason people will buy that it great that primogeniture determines who is the Head of State and acceptable for no one else in the country to have that chance.
I think if Queen Elizabeth would stop being an ostrich and realize that the Firm is her family, that it is a family firm and she needs to manage her family and her future, the future of the monarchy would not depend on a man who is resented and disrespected this way but a man who is admired by his peers, not just the royal fans, by the time he is set to become King those are the people whose support he will need, the support of the unquestioning pr-believing royal fans, every day there are less people willing to set aside their common sense. I think this is evident in the case of Charles. Even though some still mock him and dislike his behavior with his mistress during his courtship and marriage to Diana, he has earned respect for being a hard worker, someone dedicated, with interests and beliefs of value to others in spite of this and more so every day. His son, on the other hand, is distancing himself from being who is earning the respect of the common working people. his "transition" gap year have done nothing for his reputation, there is nothing he is doing, a few times he has been seen doing something for an hour or two (sixty something) that he can 't be doing while working hard for the Monarchy. Because that is what people all over England are doing. Queen. Elizabeth is een to do little more than cut ribbons and shake hands, but the octagenarian's calendar deserved and gets the respect of her people. This is to me indicative that William needs, not pr, that has gotten him the all -believing fans, but he needs to exhibit dedication and strength and duty that are seen so they can be believed.
The media is making a big deal of this, as though the majority of students at Cambridge are rising en masse, decrying William's presence on their campus. That isn't so. We haven't heard from a crowd of angry students, nor have we seen crowds marching the streets at Cambridge, waving their fists and shouting "Stay away William", which is the image the media apparently want us to conjure up in our minds. A columnist at The Guardian, Melissa Berrill who is a Cambridge graduate, began the debate and the media took heed and were off and running. Actually, Ms. Berrill may have embarrassed herself by not understanding what kind of course William will be taking at her alma mater. It is the type of course regularly given by the university through their Continuing Education department, and there are only two requirements for entry: desire to attend, and the funds to pay for attendance.
Are Prince William's grades good enough for Cambridge? (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/01/03/are-prince-williams-grades-good-enough-for-cambridge/4302889/)
The Royal Family is still on it's Christmas holiday. The media need to write about something, and anything will do, it seems.
Cindy
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 06, 2014, 02:16:54 AM
TLLK,
I know what you mean about school related nightmares! :hug?:
Thank you! I wish I knew why we're still having them. :thanks:
Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 03:36:58 PM
The media is making a big deal of this, as though the majority of students at Cambridge are rising en masse, decrying William's presence on their campus. That isn't so. We haven't heard from a crowd of angry students, nor have we seen crowds marching the streets at Cambridge, waving their fists and shouting "Stay away William", which is the image the media apparently want us to conjure up in our minds. A columnist at The Guardian, Melissa Berrill who is a Cambridge graduate, began the debate and the media took heed and were off and running. Actually, Ms. Berrill may have embarrassed herself by not understanding what kind of course William will be taking at her alma mater. It is the type of course regularly given by the university through their Continuing Education department, and there are only two requirements for entry: desire to attend, and the funds to pay for attendance.
Are Prince William's grades good enough for Cambridge? (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/01/03/are-prince-williams-grades-good-enough-for-cambridge/4302889/)
The Royal Family is still on it's Christmas holiday. The media need to write about something, and anything will do, it seems.
Cindy
:goodpost: It struck me as a typical "made-up controversy" useful during royal down times. If this is a continuing ed type of course then the usual admissions standards don't apply. Universities love this sort of thing as it brings in extra money. All Universities do it - even my own employer, which is considerably smaller and less prestigious than Cambridge. If the original columnist is for the Guardian she may very well have republican leanings (which is fine!) and want to knock one of the royals down a notch. However as you say she doesn't seem to have understood the difference between types of courses.
It's sad at 31 Will is a father who is unemployed and depends on his 65 years old father ... there is a lot of PR spin to deflect attention from this FACT but unfortunately it isn't working !!!
Eri, the same could be said about all the memebers of the RF. hey, of all royal families in the world
they are royalty, seems very unfair, but this is what they do, they are not "unemployed"
^ Harry works , Zara works ... Eugine works all while building Charities ...
Quote from: Mar on January 06, 2014, 06:49:44 PM
Eri, the same could be said about all the memebers of the RF. hey, of all royal families in the world
they are royalty, seems very unfair, but this is what they do, they are not "unemployed"
:goodpost: I have to agree. I can see why most European royal families are increasingly being represented by a small group of people. Prince Charles has hinted that he hopes to have a slimmed down monarchy when he ascends to the throne. I hope that newest royal parents will be raising their "spares" for a life that involves a career. IMHO the late Prince Claus and Princess Beatrix were wise to have their sons Friso and Constantijn prepare for a life outside the royal house.
Prince Charles may want a slimmed down Monarchy but the man works like a horse. Sorry, but Kate has "worked" less than 50 hours this year and William approximately 60 in the entire year, as romantic as it may be to be pleased with that, they are still very visibly adults who in their 30s are barely dabbling at work (48 hours divided by 8 make 12 days, the year has 365, and the pregnancy excuse is simply absurd, in William's case, even if he did work the first half of the year, he could have done much more than 60 hours, especially after leaving) they should both be doing more. I think if William were perceived to be hard-working his reputation would be such that even non-royal fans and Cambridge students would be more honored to meet him and he could have Kate stay at home and do nothing the rest of her life if he so wishes, but both of them leading this very public life of leisure and wealth while "working" 50 hours a year is simply out of the regency period. As much as I love and adore Austen, in this millennium the expectations might be different for many.
Why are you discounting his search and resue work? William didn't leave the forces until after George was born so he has worked for a lot more than 60 hours.
I meant royal work.
Quote from: missbliss on January 06, 2014, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 03:36:58 PM
The media is making a big deal of this, as though the majority of students at Cambridge are rising en masse, decrying William's presence on their campus. That isn't so. We haven't heard from a crowd of angry students, nor have we seen crowds marching the streets at Cambridge, waving their fists and shouting "Stay away William", which is the image the media apparently want us to conjure up in our minds. A columnist at The Guardian, Melissa Berrill who is a Cambridge graduate, began the debate and the media took heed and were off and running. Actually, Ms. Berrill may have embarrassed herself by not understanding what kind of course William will be taking at her alma mater. It is the type of course regularly given by the university through their Continuing Education department, and there are only two requirements for entry: desire to attend, and the funds to pay for attendance.
Are Prince William's grades good enough for Cambridge? (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/01/03/are-prince-williams-grades-good-enough-for-cambridge/4302889/)
The Royal Family is still on it's Christmas holiday. The media need to write about something, and anything will do, it seems.
Cindy
:goodpost: It struck me as a typical "made-up controversy" useful during royal down times. If this is a continuing ed type of course then the usual admissions standards don't apply. Universities love this sort of thing as it brings in extra money. All Universities do it - even my own employer, which is considerably smaller and less prestigious than Cambridge. If the original columnist is for the Guardian she may very well have republican leanings (which is fine!) and want to knock one of the royals down a notch. However as you say she doesn't seem to have understood the difference between types of courses.
I completely agree. Christmas and August are the silly time for the press in regards to the royal family. If there isn't any real news, let's make it up! And if it has a whiff of controversy, even better!! :banana:
From the article posted, the course is 20 hours over 10 weeks. So what is he going to be doing the rest of the time?
Studying, hopefully. If rooms are being made available for him, it's apparent that the University expects that he'll be busy most of the day. I don't think this is something he'll take lightly. He's going to have to take over the Duchy at some point, sooner or later, and it will most likely happen pretty much overnight. It will be a massive job to step into, so I doubt he'll be in class half a day and then just blow off the rest of the day. I hope his head will be buried in books a large portion of the rest of the day.
Cindy
Perhaps, it's just me, but I don't see him that dedicated. There will be no evidence of his performance or achievement in this bespoke course.
I suppose the only acceptable evidence of his performance and/or achievement will be if he runs the Duchy into the ground when he takes it over. Personally, I think he's dedicated and eager to learn. (Opinion based on the fact that you aren't given the responsibility of saving peoples' lives for three years if you're just playing around with life's responsibilities, no matter who you are.)
Cindy
20 hours a week + field trips etc is what I read.
Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 11:51:46 PM
I suppose the only acceptable evidence of his performance and/or achievement will be if he runs the Duchy into the ground when he takes it over.
I think Charles has taken care of leaving things running smoothly in the Duchy, he doesn't strike me as someone who would leave that to chance.
A new manager can run any smoothly-run organization into the ground. I can think of one major computer company (not naming it here, sorry) that was dragged down by a new CEO until s/he was replaced after a few years. You can either manage a large organization effectively, or not. When William takes over the Duchy, Charles will be busy performing whatever functions the King will have to perform. Though he'll probably give William advice from time to time, he won't be able to sit on William's shoulder constantly, running the Duchy with him. I wish William all the luck in the world. I think he'll do fine.
Cindy
Charles doesn't have time to manage it as he has many other duties and responsibilities to fulfill, William will hardly have a chance to run it to the ground and will certainly not have a chance to run it to the ground as long as Charles has any breath in him. More than luck, I wish him the backbone to become someone who works hard.
I think it's great that he recognizes the need for more education in land management. Not only will he have the Duchy of
Cornwall to oversee, he will also inherit the Duchy of Lancaster someday. Lancaster lost money last year, while Cornwall had record profit for Charles.
William will need to know enough about management to keep an eye on the managers. Trust, but verify, and all that.
Quote from: Eri on January 06, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
^ Harry works , Zara works ... Eugine works all while building Charities ...
William
did have a Search & Rescue job in the Royal Air Force. There were people in this forum who complained about
that, said it was no "excuse" for not doing royal duties, and were skeptical that even actually did it. Well, Prince William has only one body, he can't be in two places at the same time! So he
did leave the RAF to do the "full time royal duties" that many people seemed to want him to do. He can't have a full time non-royal job and still do full time royal duties. How can he? There's only one of him. So now he's "unemployed"? What would you rather he do? Also Zara is not royal and showing horses is not a "job", it's a very expensive hobby.
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I think it's pretty obvious Prince Charles is making William do this, that he thinks it will be good for him. Which is fine, he's paying for it. Here are some videos of Charles on the CPSL website.
HRH The Prince of Wales: Cambridge executive education presentations; interviews with sustainability thinkers (http://www.cpsl.cam.ac.uk/Resources/Videos/HRH-The-Prince-of-Wales.aspx)
Quote from: Rebound on January 07, 2014, 02:37:52 AM
I think it's great that he recognizes the need for more education in land management. Not only will he have the Duchy of
Cornwall to oversee, he will also inherit the Duchy of Lancaster someday. Lancaster lost money last year, while Cornwall had record profit for Charles.
William will need to know enough about management to keep an eye on the managers. Trust, but verify, and all that.
:goodpost:
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Quote from: Limabeany on January 06, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
Perhaps, it's just me, but I don't see him that dedicated. There will be no evidence of his performance or achievement in this bespoke course.
Perhaps it is,when someone takes up a course they hope to learn and improve themselves to benefit them in future jobs /duties in williams case.
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QuotePrince William Begins Agricultural Course at Cambridge University
The Duke of Cambridge was welcomed by University of Cambridge officials as he began a 10-week course.
The Duke travelled on the 9.44am train from London King's Cross to begin his studies on an agricultural management course organised by the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership at the famous university.
He is expected to make the 46-minute commute each day for the course, which has been designed specifically for him but which will see him study alongside ordinary PhD students in some classes.
......
He will have 20 hours of teaching time each week, including work in small groups as well as one-to-one tuition and his own additional reading. He will also go on a series of field trips. He will be taught by academics specialising in geography, land economy and plant sciences.
Modules he is expected to study include rural and planning policy, farming and supply chains, site management, agricultural policy and conservation governance.
More: Prince William begins agricultural course at Cambridge University - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-william/10555477/Prince-William-begins-agricultural-course-at-Cambridge-University.html)
Cindy
Duke of Cambridge's A-level results are as relevant to admission as 'price of tea in China', says Cambridge University professor | Cambridge News | (http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Duke-of-Cambridges-A-level-results-are-as-relevant-to-university-admission-as-price-of-tea-in-China-20140107055917.htm)
QuoteHe said: "Colleagues and I sometimes organise special courses for people from industry who want to learn about the latest research in our field. For this we charge them money. Every academic has the right to do this, so it is completely unfair of people to criticise poor Borys [Cambridge's Vice-Chancellor Professor Sir Leszek Borysiewicz]."
He added: "Whether they have any A-levels at all is no more relevant than the price of tea in China."
The Prince will not be in for an easy ride as he starts at the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership course this week.
He will have 20 hours of teaching time a week, which includes studying in small groups as well as one-to-one tuition, on top of his own reading. Some of his studies will take place at St John's College in the city centre.
He will be taught by Cambridge academics from three departments - leaders of their field in geography, land economy and plant sciences.
The modules he is expected to study include rural and planning policy, farming and supply chains, site management, agricultural policy and conservation governance. He will also go on a series of field trips.
Linda Kirby, agriculture director at College of West Anglia in Milton, is hoping for a boon in interest in its agriculture courses on the back of the publicity surrounding Prince William's course - as well as a visit from the man himself saying he would benefit from visiting their facilities.
On studying agriculture she said: "He won't find it easy. There are definitely perceptions that you do not have to be a rocket scientist to work in agriculture, but things have changed dramatically with precision farming and advances in technology."
A Cambridge University spokesman said the course is not an undergraduate degree but a programme of executive and professional education, which he said the university has provided for years, and has different admissions criteria.
Prince William arrives in Cambridge to become a full-time student again | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/452489/Prince-William-arrives-in-Cambridge-to-become-a-full-time-student-again)
QuoteHe travelled up to the ancient university city on the 9.44am train from London's King's Cross and, although he has been given a private place to stay in Cambridge, he is expected to make the 46-minute commute daily from Kensington Palace for much of the course so that he can see his wife Kate and their five-month-old son Prince George.
"Price of tea in China" ... now there's a Mom-ism that I haven't heard in a long, long time! :happy:
Cindy
LOL ... The Daily Fail doesn't bother if Kate isn't there ...
Here's the article from the Daily Mail
One's a student again! Prince William takes the train to Cambridge to begin university agriculture course | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535182/Ones-student-Prince-William-takes-train-Cambridge-begin-university-agriculture-course.html)
QuotePrince William Arrives at Cambridge University (VIDEO)
The Duke of Cambridge has arrived at Cambridge University this morning, to start a 10-week course in Agricultural Management. However, his enrolment has led some to question whether other students with similar A-Level grades would have qualified to study at the world-famous institution. 3rd year student Tim Squirrell has described the controversy as 'a storm in a tea cup' while Will Heilperin, who edits 'Cambridge Tab' says fellow students have a 'vague feeling of excitement' about his arrival.
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Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 11:51:46 PM
I suppose the only acceptable evidence of his performance and/or achievement will be if he runs the Duchy into the ground when he takes it over. Personally, I think he's dedicated and eager to learn. (Opinion based on the fact that you aren't given the responsibility of saving peoples' lives for three years if you're just playing around with life's responsibilities, no matter who you are.)
Cindy
I agree as well the William is a dedicated individual who made the choice to involve himself in dangerous teamwork with SAR. He knew the risks involved and decided it was a worthwhile career. Now that SAR is being privatized and William is in a transition year, this new opportunity is a good one IMO. He can still perform royal duties and tours while using the rest of the time to learn more about his nation's economy and policies. He has years ahead before he'll likely become the heir to the throne and can use the time to prepare for his future role.
What I have always found is that adult students taking courses that are connected with their career - courses on subjects that they can see they will use - are far more dedicated and involved than the usual undergraduates for whom higher education is much like a continuation of schooldays - with a strong emphasis on the social aspect of college.
In June 2012 Prince William gained a qualification to be captain or pilot in charge of a Sea King rather than a co-pilot - this shows dedication and the ability to learn.
I think that a course like the one he is taking is exactly what one would expect from a transition year. It is not going back to one's youth and partying as an undergraduate.
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Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 11:51:46 PM
I suppose the only acceptable evidence of his performance and/or achievement will be if he runs the Duchy into the ground when he takes it over. Personally, I think he's dedicated and eager to learn. (Opinion based on the fact that you aren't given the responsibility of saving peoples' lives for three years if you're just playing around with life's responsibilities, no matter who you are.)
Cindy
I agree as well the William is a dedicated individual who made the choice to involve himself in dangerous teamwork with SAR. He knew the risks involved and decided it was a worthwhile career. Now that SAR is being privatized and William is in a transition year, this new opportunity is a good one IMO. He can still perform royal duties and tours while using the rest of the time to learn more about his nation's economy and policies. He has years ahead before he'll likely become the heir to the throne and can use the time to prepare for his future role.
Is it possible that William is being trained to take over from Charles at the Duchy of Cornwall to make Charles free to take over the Duchy of Lancaster????
More photos and another article of William's arrival at Cambridge University:
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Prince William begins agricultural course at Cambridge University - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-william/10555477/Prince-William-begins-agricultural-course-at-Cambridge-University.html)
I think he looks a little worried. Perhaps he's thinking about the reactions he will receive from other students.
Quote from: Limabeany on January 06, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
I am beginning to think this is more indicative of the feelings of many regarding William than his fans would want people to believe. I think this is a sign that he is still far from earning the respect and reverence that is no longer given simply because he will one day wear a crown. He needs to get his act together and realize that normal people work and study and multitask all the time without fear of working too hard and that the days when royalty simply hunted and locked themselves in the comfort of their castles away from the masses giving the appearance of not doing much with an adoring public thinking they deserve to live that kind of life while the rest of the people toil away because their blood is blue have been over for a long time.
Queen Elizabeth once said she had to be seen to be believed. William needs to be seen to be believed to be working hard and considered worthy of admiration instead of an entitled privileged man who can't do more than one task at a time in the eye of his peers. The incognito behind-the-scenes stories he and his wife believe they have mastered are not cutting it with people who work hard and live in a world where privilege is not justifiable by birth anymore without question but may be subject to questioning and demands of justification. There will always be royal fans, but William and Kate, like Charles before them, are losing the respect of their peers, or rather not doing anything to earn it. There is not reason for this to happen, except these students, don't seem to have any admiration for William and don't feel they are getting anything valuable from their involvement and contact with the future King, perception is everything, it is the only reason people will buy that it great that primogeniture determines who is the Head of State and acceptable for no one else in the country to have that chance.
I think if Queen Elizabeth would stop being an ostrich and realize that the Firm is her family, that it is a family firm and she needs to manage her family and her future, the future of the monarchy would not depend on a man who is resented and disrespected this way but a man who is admired by his peers, not just the royal fans, by the time he is set to become King those are the people whose support he will need, the support of the unquestioning pr-believing royal fans, every day there are less people willing to set aside their common sense. I think this is evident in the case of Charles. Even though some still mock him and dislike his behavior with his mistress during his courtship and marriage to Diana, he has earned respect for being a hard worker, someone dedicated, with interests and beliefs of value to others in spite of this and more so every day. His son, on the other hand, is distancing himself from being who is earning the respect of the common working people. his "transition" gap year have done nothing for his reputation, there is nothing he is doing, a few times he has been seen doing something for an hour or two (sixty something) that he can 't be doing while working hard for the Monarchy. Because that is what people all over England are doing. Queen. Elizabeth is een to do little more than cut ribbons and shake hands, but the octagenarian's calendar deserved and gets the respect of her people. This is to me indicative that William needs, not pr, that has gotten him the all -believing fans, but he needs to exhibit dedication and strength and duty that are seen so they can be believed.
:goodpost:
Quote from: PaulaB on January 07, 2014, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: TLLK on January 07, 2014, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 11:51:46 PM
I suppose the only acceptable evidence of his performance and/or achievement will be if he runs the Duchy into the ground when he takes it over. Personally, I think he's dedicated and eager to learn. (Opinion based on the fact that you aren't given the responsibility of saving peoples' lives for three years if you're just playing around with life's responsibilities, no matter who you are.)
Cindy
I agree as well the William is a dedicated individual who made the choice to involve himself in dangerous teamwork with SAR. He knew the risks involved and decided it was a worthwhile career. Now that SAR is being privatized and William is in a transition year, this new opportunity is a good one IMO. He can still perform royal duties and tours while using the rest of the time to learn more about his nation's economy and policies. He has years ahead before he'll likely become the heir to the throne and can use the time to prepare for his future role.
Is it possible that William is being trained to take over from Charles at the Duchy of Cornwall to make Charles free to take over the Duchy of Lancaster????
Could be but Charles won't be the Duke of Lancaster until he's on the throne.
Or maybe William is taking the class to help his grandparents with the Duchy of Lancaster.
I read it lost money last year. (DK if it's true.)
Then when he becomes POW, he can take over the healthy Duchy of Cornwall & the elderly Charles would not have to turn around the ailing Duchy of Lancaster in the brief time he may have as King.
Quote from: TLLK on January 08, 2014, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: PaulaB on January 07, 2014, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: TLLK on January 07, 2014, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 11:51:46 PM
I suppose the only acceptable evidence of his performance and/or achievement will be if he runs the Duchy into the ground when he takes it over. Personally, I think he's dedicated and eager to learn. (Opinion based on the fact that you aren't given the responsibility of saving peoples' lives for three years if you're just playing around with life's responsibilities, no matter who you are.)
Cindy
I agree as well the William is a dedicated individual who made the choice to involve himself in dangerous teamwork with SAR. He knew the risks involved and decided it was a worthwhile career. Now that SAR is being privatized and William is in a transition year, this new opportunity is a good one IMO. He can still perform royal duties and tours while using the rest of the time to learn more about his nation's economy and policies. He has years ahead before he'll likely become the heir to the throne and can use the time to prepare for his future role.
Is it possible that William is being trained to take over from Charles at the Duchy of Cornwall to make Charles free to take over the Duchy of Lancaster????
Could be but Charles won't be the Duke of Lancaster until he's on the throne.
Doesn't mean he can't take over the day to day running and let his mother relax a bit.
QuoteThe Duke of Cambridge Begins His Course at Cambridge University
The Duke of Cambridge began his studies at the University of Cambridge today. His Royal Highness is studying agricultural management on a course organised by the Cambridge Programme for Sustainability Leadership at the British university.
The Duke was greeted at St John's College, where some of his tutorials will take place, by vice chancellor Sir Leszek Borysiewicz, along with Master of St John's, Professor Christopher Dobson, and Polly Courtice, director of the Programme for Sustainability Leadership.
His Royal Highness stopped to view a plaque commemorating The Queen's visit to the college in April 2011.
The course, which will end in March, has been designed to help His Royal Highness prepare for when he inherits the Duchy of Cornwall estate.
More: The Duke of Cambridge begins his course at Cambridge University (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/news-and-diary/the-duke-of-cambridge-begins-his-course-cambridge-university)
Cindy
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QuotePrince William arrives for his study Agricultural Management
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QuotePrince William walks around the grounds of St. John's college
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QuoteOn Tuesday, January 7, 2014, His Royal Highness The Duke of Cambridge arrived at St. John's College at the University of Cambridge to begin his 10-week executive program in Agricultural Management.
News Regarding His Royal Highness The Duke of Cambridge. (VIDEOS) | The Royal Correspondent (http://royalcorrespondent.com/2014/01/07/news-regarding-his-royal-highness-the-duke-of-cambridge-videos/)
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QuotePrince William back to college
El prÃncipe Guillermo vuelve a la Universidad | Realeza | Noticias hola.com (http://www.hola.com/noticias-de-actualidad/07-01-2014/105530/casasreales/)
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QuotePrince William at university: Freshly received in Cambridge for its agricultural curriculum
Prince William à la fac : Fraîchement reçu à Cambridge pour son cursus agricole (http://www.purepeople.com/article/prince-william-a-la-fac-fraichement-recu-a-cambridge-pour-son-cursus-agricole_a134491/1)
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QuoteWhy Prince William Is Right to Go Back to School
Prince William went back to school this week. To Cambridge University, to be precise, where he will undertake a tailor-made, 10-week course in agricultural management. When he completes the course, new father William won't have earned a degree; he won't walk out with a doctorate or a masters; in fact he won't receive any formal qualifications at all, but he will have gained a beginner's knowledge of how to manage the Duchy of Cornwall Estate -- a vast £760 million ($1.2 million) entity established in 1337 to provide a private income for use by the reigning monarch's eldest son, which William will inherit when Prince Charles becomes King.
As with most matters relating to the monarchy his enrollment has had a polarizing effect: the news was met with staunch criticism amid a smattering of praise, with some university students declaring he'd been given a "free pass" because of his royal status. Others went so far as to describe his admittance as an "insult" to those already studying at Cambridge.
Not surprisingly, people have been quick to jump on the critical band wagon without taking a moment to actually understand exactly what it is he's doing at the university. But since when has receiving further education of any description been something negative?
More: Why Prince William is right to go back to school - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/opinion/prince-william-school)
Cindy
QuotePrince William's first day on the new training
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The Duke of Cambridge begins his course at Cambridge University (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/news-and-diary/the-duke-of-cambridge-begins-his-course-cambridge-university)
He looks great!
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 09, 2014, 09:40:20 PM
He looks great!
[/quote Yes he does. William can't help his hairline, but he keeps fit and looks good in his blue suit.
It must be the $2000 plus dollar suit, I am a sap for a man in an expensive, well-made suit. :lol:
especially a well-made bathing suit :angel:
^^^^ :girlblush: That would be a yes! :nod: :teehee:
Quote from: cinrit on January 01, 2014, 02:09:44 PM
I'm sorry, but what does asparagus (which does nothing more than make your urine smell odd after eating it) have to do with William taking a course in agriculture?
Cindy
Asparagus can also grow hair.
Prince Harry combats hair loss with silica-rich asparagus | HIS Hair Clinic (http://www.hishairclinic.com/prince-harry-combats-hair-loss-with-silica-rich-asparagus/)
Perhaps William will learn how to grow asparagus?
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Quote from: cinrit on January 06, 2014, 11:51:46 PM
I suppose the only acceptable evidence of his performance and/or achievement will be if he runs the Duchy into the ground when he takes it over. Personally, I think he's dedicated and eager to learn. (Opinion based on the fact that you aren't given the responsibility of saving peoples' lives for three years if you're just playing around with life's responsibilities, no matter who you are.)
Cindy
I agree as well the William is a dedicated individual who made the choice to involve himself in dangerous teamwork with SAR. He knew the risks involved and decided it was a worthwhile career. Now that SAR is being privatized and William is in a transition year, this new opportunity is a good one IMO. He can still perform royal duties and tours while using the rest of the time to learn more about his nation's economy and policies. He has years ahead before he'll likely become the heir to the throne and can use the time to prepare for his future role.
Is it possible that William is being trained to take over from Charles at the Duchy of Cornwall to make Charles free to take over the Duchy of Lancaster????
Could be but Charles won't be the Duke of Lancaster until he's on the throne.
That doesn't preclude him taking over the day to day running of the Duchy though.
Quote from: Macrobug on January 10, 2014, 04:17:31 AM
especially a well-made bathing suit :angel:
I'm old enough to be his mother (and then some), but I remember that bathing suit! :thumbsup:
Cindy
QuotePrince William takes the train to university
Prins William tager toget til universitetet | Billed Bladet (http://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelige/england/prins-william-tager-toget-til-universitetet)
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Quote from: Limabeany on January 04, 2014, 01:36:45 AM
Actually, to take any course at any university you must be admitted and there are standards, also, there are certificate courses that last 10-12 weeks and even less, but there are admissions standards for all institutions, of course, it could be that simply having a future king as their student is enough for them, but everyone who ...
I work for a university and that's not true at all. Anyone can sign up for a one-off course without having to be admitted to the school, or meet any standards other then standards for the class itself.
Jenee,
:thumbsup:
QuoteDuke of Cambridge's Tutor Is Told: Don't Call Him by Surname
Dons wondering how to address the Duke of Cambridge during his studies at Cambridge University might like to take a leaf out of his school teacher's book.
Guy Burt, who taught the future king English at Eton College, says: "The only difference his status made – apart from the slightly heightened security alerts – was that I was told to to address him as Prince William and not by his surname like the other boys."
More: Prince William's tutor is told: Don't call him by surname - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10565704/Prince-Williams-tutor-is-told-Dont-call-him-by-surname.html)
Cindy
He could have benefitted from the down to earth treatment and experience not being treated as a Prince instead of a regular student would have provided.
Yeah, but he wasn't a regular student. And there are already complaints in some quarters that he's not "normal" and shouldn't try to be. Can't win for losing.
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on January 13, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
Yeah, but he wasn't a regular student. And there are already complaints in some quarters that he's not "normal" and shouldn't try to be. Can't win for losing.
Cindy
Eton has its own traditional way of doing things and William wasn't the only prince who ever studied there. Anyone seeking employment with them would have to follow their tradtions.
^Agreed. I personally don't agree with it, but I'm not ever going to work at Eton either.
^^I don't think I will work thier either! :happy15:
Quote from: cinrit on January 13, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
Yeah, but he wasn't a regular student. And there are already complaints in some quarters that he's not "normal" and shouldn't try to be. Can't win for losing.
Cindy
Can't win for losing? :hmm: There are complaints that he doesn't work like a normal person even as a normal senior royal king to be at his age so his pretending to be normal by driving himself while working laughably less than his sixty-something year old aunt who is not going to be Queen seems a distortion of reality. He is not trying to be normal he is trying to play at being normal. He should have been a regular student, if the Palace was going to play the "he is a normal student treated like normal students" card that is exactly what should have happened and he and his father should have used that as an opportunity for him to experience being treated like a real person in the real world.
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Quote from: Jenee on January 12, 2014, 11:55:53 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on January 04, 2014, 01:36:45 AM
Actually, to take any course at any university you must be admitted and there are standards, also, there are certificate courses that last 10-12 weeks and even less, but there are admissions standards for all institutions, of course, it could be that simply having a future king as their student is enough for them, but everyone who ...
I work for a university and that's not true at all. Anyone can sign up for a one-off course without having to be admitted to the school, or meet any standards other then standards for the class itself.
It is not the same for all universities, and when the standards are higher their is some sort of process for admittance. Not just anyone can attend whatever they choose. This is not a public conference.
^^ But it is the same for Cambridge University, per their website.
Cindy
QuotePrince William: It was he called at school
Prins William: Det blev han kaldt i skolen | Billed Bladet (http://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelige/england/prins-william-det-blev-han-kaldt-i-skolen)
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Quote from: cinrit on January 14, 2014, 11:18:44 AM
^^ But it is the same for Cambridge University, per their website.
Cindy
Their school, their rules, their fees. :wink:
^^ Exactly. :thumbsup:
Cindy
Quote from: TLLK on January 14, 2014, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: cinrit on January 14, 2014, 11:18:44 AM
^^ But it is the same for Cambridge University, per their website.
Cindy
Their school, their rules, their fees. :wink:
Their brown nosing. :happy15:
^^ How so? Do you think Cambridge University approached the Royals, or did the Royals approach Cambridge University?
Cindy
QuotePrince William Under Fire After Being Given Discount on Cambridge University Fees
Prince William has been given a big discount on his fees for studying at Cambridge University.
He is paying around £10,000 to swot up on Âagricultural management – but sources yesterday admitted they had expected the cost to be higher because the crash course has been especially organised just for him.
The 10-week study stint is to prepare him for when he inherits the Duchy Of Cornwall from Prince Charles.
More: Prince William at Cambridge University: Duke of Cambridge 'gets discount on university fees' - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-cambridge-university-duke-3037323#.UtvaQxDnbIV)
Cindy
^^ Uh-oh. This is not a good development.
It's a non-issue. The students are paying £25,000 for the four years, and one guy is up in arms because William is paying £10,000 for 10 weeks? Averaged out, William is paying much more than the students pay for one year. The media just needs something to write about the Royals, and we need something to talk about. :happy:
Cindy
And anyway, its a university issue and not a William issue. Cambridge sets the fees for their courses not William.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 19, 2014, 03:46:04 PM
And anyway, its a university issue and not a William issue. Cambridge sets the fees for their courses not William.
Their school, their rules, their fees.
William does not worry about college costs like Average people--he is well taken care of unlike average students.
He's not an average student. He's a Royal. Like all of us, he can't help which family he was born into. William is surely not the only one there who has unlimited means. I'll bet there are students at Cambridge who don't leave with a £25,000 debt, just as there are those who do.
Cindy
It would be more accurate to see how much a 10-week course usually cost, and then let people complain if it's less money for William to attend.
:goodpost:I agree. As it is a bespoke course for William, it is possible that other courses that are comparable to his might have varying costs depending upon materials needed, transportation fees etc..
There are students at Cambridge who have more money than all the Windsors combined and anyway, its the university's business how much they charge William but the lefties don't seem to understand this
It is really hard for some here, esp. those who do not live in The UK, to look at this objectionably. Unbiased.
cinrit, you just repeated what sandy.
sandy said he is an average person and paying like an average person.
sandy, I agree.
Issue is that it is a good bit of money for him to sttend and does he really need this?
Those are the points of the people there and press there..
Yeah, as future PofWales, Owner of that Duchy, this could be, would be good for him to know. That will be , when he is in control of the , say in in 15 years when PC is KofE. Maybe KingCharles will not have to give it to him then and he will have to wait untilmKing Charles dies in another 10 years. PW, if all remains like it is going, it is going to be 15 years before he is PofWales and add another 10 years before he is King WilliamofE.
PW hasa long time to learn all he can by working with the Duchy now without attending these university classes.
Really.
Good excuse here at giving him something to do under the guise of how this is neccessary for him to use in his future role as PofW, onwer of that Duchy.
Hey, as a future PofWales, it would be good if he learned some Welsh so why have him attend an intensive month course in speaking Welsh.
Excuses, excuses and gee this guy and his wife really make Freeloading Fergie adn Randy Andy look good.
PW ,it seems,needs a place, duties, things to do to define himself as PW , future PofW, future KofE because it is going to be a long wait.
It seems he really needs something to do that is satisfying and which gives him self-worth, pride, meaningful work.
You can understand that.
Ribbon cutting and giving idle speeches are n0t his thing.
YES,I UNDERSTAND that ALL the Duties, Charities which PW and K have are meaningful. Stop. Reread that ok.
It is simply not enough or they do do not do enough with them. Stop. Reread that ok.
Soooo why does this rich , privilged couple simply get more involved in what they have and take on new ones and give new ones lots of care, attention, time, face. Why do they not take on some more current causes of these times , although uncomfortable, like teen suicide, bullying.
His role and some of his life as in schools choice, friends choice, charities, estate n, etc. was craved out for him when he was in utero, LOL!!!
Some were on the books for his role going back hundreds of years. Third heir up while the Second heir is in wating does what? Lives where? Is titled what?
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Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 19, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
There are students at Cambridge who have more money than all the Windsors combined and anyway, its the university's business how much they charge William but the lefties don't seem to understand this
YEs the elfties understnad that but those peopole who are eqully extremely wealthy and in so in terms of PW, do not and can not still live like PW as in owning by birth some of the world's most priceless jewels,properties , and works of art and all for free. Caretakers and enjoyers of it as it is his time in the ranke and file of BRF.
Others have to PAY for their art, jewels, properties. They do not have your govt. funded police security. They do no and will not no matter how hundreds of millions in the bank or billions be allowed to live in Windsor Cas, St. James, Sandringham, etc.
These palcesare not up for sale or rent even if you are a legit billionarie or not. By "or not" I eman those who are living in England and are children of head of govt of supressed countries and they heads own the all the oil, etc. They are the govt.
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on January 19, 2014, 10:56:18 PM
cinrit, you just repeated what sandy.
Sorry? :hmm: I posted my opinion, and actually expanded on what Sandy said.
Cindy
I think it would have been more elegant, apprpriate and meaningful to not accept discount, of course, this is a man who has his father pay for his wife's clothing.
I don't know that the guy who made the comment knows that there was a "discount". After all, does Cambridge University normally go around telling other students how much they're charging for a bespoke program? Does Cambridge even go around telling how much they charge a particular person or organization for a bespoke program? If so, there's a bigger problem than whether they gave a discount or not. (Personally, I don't believe for a minute that Cambridge University is that indiscreet.)
Cindy
Universities are comprised of people and people sometimes talk.
And sometimes the information that they share is correct and sometimes it ain't. :happy15:
Quote from: Limabeany on January 20, 2014, 01:02:41 AM
I think it would have been more elegant, apprpriate and meaningful to not accept discount, of course, this is a man who has his father pay for his wife's clothing.
And who do you think pays for Harry's £3000 Savile Row suits he wears to a gala opening? The Duchy of Cornwall pays for all the official expenses of William , Kate, Harry and Camilla.
You? :happy15: :happy15: :happy15: Harry spends as much as William's wife on clothes, sure! :blahblahblah: The point is grown up, normal-wanna-be then support your own wife's clothing...
Not in the BRF. The Duchy of Cornwall pays for it, just like the Duchy pays for Camilla's clothing and will pay for the clothing of Harry's future wife. These are a working expense.
The skin-tight jeggins are certainly a working expense. :hehe:
I've never seen jeggings that aren't skin-tight. At least mine are.
Of course they are! On one hand they are " Casual Olympic Ambassador wear" which then do double duty for any new mother who needs a little extra stretch postpartum. :wink:
Love jeggings but not as royal duty or charity visit wear. Oh my, this is off topic. Let's swing this back towards PW at Cambridge.... :flower:
Quote from: cinrit on January 20, 2014, 01:08:32 AM
I don't know that the guy who made the comment knows that there was a "discount". After all, does Cambridge University normally go around telling other students how much they're charging for a bespoke program? Does Cambridge even go around telling how much they charge a particular person or organization for a bespoke program? If so, there's a bigger problem than whether they gave a discount or not. (Personally, I don't believe for a minute that Cambridge University is that indiscreet.)
Cindy
Like you and sandy said and others said it before in that he is not Somone. Anyone. A No one. An average person. A private citizen. He is PW.
Things about his life, such as his expenses are publically known . Sometimes a figure is close but not quite accurate.
His security teram to move him via train or helicopter is known. How much and who pays for KP renovations.
That is his life.
The Duchy pays but the Duchy is like what came first.
It is private and owned by BRF for the heir. It was ,is , would have been sent back to the govt. if the BRf were overthrown so to speak.
Report QEII is moving into giving more duties to PC.
Charles to become the new face of the royals: Prince of Wales to take on more public duties as he prepares for life as King | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542427/Charles-new-face-royals-Prince-Wales-public-duties-prepares-life-King.html)
Seems more to PC would be a way to give PW more of what PC has now.
BRF has a crossroads now where it is 2014. Different times.
There are two families and a third to come of the 1st, 2nd, and spare who is number 3 waiting and he will have a family.
PC adn Queen Camilla to be are a family and have staff, etc.
Seems the BRF needs to really trim and size down such as PAndrew and family, QEII's cousins who are PC's age group, IMO.
Things have to done, seems to me to keep the thing afloat, make some good pr.
Regardless, it is a secret , little society at the top of the British class system and will NEVER change or be done with by the people and the govt.
Surprise , Surprise The Daily Fail won't touch this ...
Quote from: TLLK on January 20, 2014, 01:54:59 AM
Of course they are! On one hand they are " Casual Olympic Ambassador wear" which then do double duty for any new mother who needs a little extra stretch postpartum. :wink:
She didn't wear them post-partum and they are not appropriate for her position especially when they cut into her privates. We don't need that much detail.
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on January 20, 2014, 05:27:12 AM
Seems more to PC would be a way to give PW more of what PC has now.
Do you mean that Charles should give some of his wealth to William? That's not how the Royals do it, and besides, we have gift tax here that applies over a certain dollar amount. Does the U.K. also have the same?
Quote from: Limabeany on January 20, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
She didn't wear them post-partum and they are not appropriate for her position especially when they cut into her privates. We don't need that much detail.
This is off-topic, but yes, she has worn them post-partumm but I've never seen them so tight in the upper regions that they cut into her privates. Here she is, when she played volleyball ... they look okay to me.
http://s1.dmcdn.net/CsIoQ.jpg
Cindy
No,I was referring to some duties being picked by PW which PC is currently has since the report is he will be taking some of QEIIS.
Sort of like a moving of duties on down the line.
^^ This is probably what's happening with the transition of Charles' people to BP, and the reason that William is in a "transition year". Things are happening that we have no idea of, but we do have a few clues.
Cindy
^ Wonder how sick Liz is ... something is up ...
Quote from: Limabeany on January 20, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: TLLK on January 20, 2014, 01:54:59 AM
Of course they are! On one hand they are " Casual Olympic Ambassador wear" which then do double duty for any new mother who needs a little extra stretch postpartum. :wink:
She didn't wear them post-partum and they are not appropriate for her position especially when they cut into her privates. We don't need that much detail.
We don't have photos of her wearing them post-partum. Unless a "What Kate Wore" camera is beaming images 24/7 we'll never know for sure. :wink: Having been through that period myself, many new mothers will choose clothing with some stretch while their body returns to it's pre-pregnancy shape. :nod:
HyperVocal | Kate Middleton Wears Tight Pants, Olympics Interest Spikes (http://hypervocal.com/news/2012/kate-middleton-tight-pants-olympics/)
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Quote from: cinrit on January 20, 2014, 03:39:31 PM
^^ This is probably what's happening with the transition of Charles' people to BP, and the reason that William is in a "transition year". Things are happening that we have no idea of, but we do have a few clues.
Cindy
I agree. It is possible that there could be a change in royal engagements for some of the extended family as well due to the health concerns with the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra in 2013.
Quote from: Eri on January 20, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
^ Wonder how sick Liz is ... something is up ...
I have to admit I am wondering if she has been told she has something terminal. This movement of all three is strange to say the least. Harry loved his army life and it must be something to make it necessary for him to move to London.
I doubt she has a terminal illness. She has not disappeared and looks healthier than her son and daughter in law Camilla IMO. I'll believe William and Kate are working more when I see it. Kate has all but disappeared and William is taking that course but will be seen in February. Maybe the Queen thought it time the younger generation start pulling their weight. Charles can't do it all by himself.
I think it clumsy the way this is presented and unfortunately encourages rumors like the Queen "dying" which is not healthy at all for the monarchy. Charles is not the new King now that's for sure.
I think everyone has their good & bad days. We are talking about people in their 60s-90s.
Phillip sometimes looks healthier than the Queen & Camilla.
Sometimes Princess Anne looks older than both Camilla & Charles.
Princess Anne sometimes looks older than her mother.
Several people are now commenting about her receding hair line. PA probably doesn't eat enough nutrients. Her skin is not as smooth as the Queen's. Some of this could be due to photoshopped/airbrushed/retouched photos of the Queen.
PA reduced her workload this year by over 100 as did Andrew.
When William finishes his study, we might get a better idea as to what is actually going on with the RF. Hopefully we will see more of him & Kate out and about and not just the Australian tour and a few other engagements.
By the end of 2014, we may be more informed on what is going on, who is sick & who is 'retiring' from the over 60s. Or maybe they'll wait until January of 2015.
This year will probably bring a lot of changes, some subtle and some not so.
:goodpost:
Quote from: PaulaB on January 21, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: Eri on January 20, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
^ Wonder how sick Liz is ... something is up ...
I have to admit I am wondering if she has been told she has something terminal. This movement of all three is strange to say the least. Harry loved his army life and it must be something to make it necessary for him to move to London.
Let's not jump to conclusions. She would not be seen if she were "terminal." Maybe something happened with Harry re the military services that will never be revealed. It could be that somebody realized the young royals cannot just stand by and do little. About time.
I doubt the Queen is terminally ill, I don't know that she's even ill at all. But don't think that terminal patients are kept inside where no one can see them. That's not at all the case. People are just trying to figure out what's going on. No one is jumping to conclusions.
Cindy
Terminally ill patients often go to hospice care. I think it would be known if she were that sick. If some are not jumping to conclusions then why mention this at all?
Because this is a discussion list, and people talk about what's on their minds.
Cindy
Right. But until there is any evidence why make such grim prognoses. She would repeatedly be reported going to a hospital --very sick patients do get hospitalized or go for regular treatments. Somewhere along the lines there would be rumors. I have not seen such grim prognoses except by some on this board.
Speculation is all part of the fun and games at royalty boards. Pregnancies, engagements, beard grooming, etc...Maybe the bigger question would be "What isn't speculated upon at this forum and others?" :wink:
Twitter / Telegraph: Prince William looks glum as ... (https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/428181225862209536/photo/1)
"Prince William looks glum as he arrives in Cambridge" - well good Lord, do the people who write this go about grinning from ear to ear every morning? I probably looked a bit glum this morning myself (probably because I'm coming down with a cold and the weather is freezing! :orchid:
^I would find it suspicious if he was always walking around grinning ear to ear, cause that's just creepy :hide:
:lol:^^^
He looks like a normal person walking... :hmm:
I can't possibly comment until William is the pow and owner of the Duchy of Cornwall, look at his daddy, he made more profit than his moms, versus the duchy of Lancaster.
Big shoes to fill.
On another note, Charles is very truly yours prepared!
While William, the heir of the Duchy and the Prince's Trust, at 32, knows how to fly airplanes, perform investitures, and shake hands...
It can go any way once he gets to be pow.
I'm inclined to believe the balance will go favorably to the positive side, the family is surrounded and have first hand trustees, advisers, technology, etc.
It will go positively because the system has been set up by his father as lazy idiot proof, he should be involved and innovating now that he is still relatively young.
To be fair, we don't know whether if he's currently involved or not. My guess is that he is. Charles is much too smart to allow William to ignore what he will one day inherit, which would eventually bring Charles' work to ruin.
Cindy
This year, the fact that William didn't attend the full course, has only learned to do investitures and let his grandmother spend 6M in a home he will not live in full time, has shown Charles and the Queen are not in control or even in the know as to what William wants and will do...
It's hard to believe Charles and the Queen are willing to let the Duchy and the Monarchy fall to pieces after they're gone, for the sake of appeasing William.
Cindy
Quote from: Limabeany on July 27, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
This year, the fact that William didn't attend the full course, has only learned to do investitures and let his grandmother spend 6M in a home he will not live in full time, has shown Charles and the Queen are not in control or even in the know as to what William wants and will do...
FWIW, reasonable people can both disagree that those are, in fact, "facts", and with your conclusion.
What evidence is available that shows he didn't complete the full course? If I anyone has it please share. :)
Didn't he go on holiday at some point during the 10-week course? I'm not sure if he completed it as there would really be no certificate of completion upon such a course. It's more of one of those continual learning things than an actual degree type of curriculum. He could have actually just showed up the first week and not continued if he didn't want to and it wouldn't have made any difference.
There is no evidence that he did or did not complete the course. But IMO the media would have been all over it had he not. Also, this was a bespoke course so there likely would not have been a set curriculum but instead objectives to complete. Meaning that William would have met the objectives to his satisfaction.
Given that William's participation in the course was formally announced on on the Prince of Wales' website, I would have expected that a short press release would have been issued upon his completion of the course.
It would have been a good news story, which also could have doubled as communicating to the public that William is in preparation mode for the roles which lie ahead for him. There could have also been a quote or two from William highlighting a couple of key skills, or knowledge sets which he has taken away from the course and could apply in the future.
The silence on the issue seems a little odd. Either he didn't complete the course and the Royal Family are trying to brush it under the carpet, or the Royal Family have missed a prime opportunity for some positive publicity (and starting to build William's profile for his future roles).
IMO they didn't think it warranted a press release.
^^Exactly, TLLK. The silence was deafening. However, it seems to be par for the course with the PR people at Kensington Palace. They often comment on very inconsequential things and keep quiet about the bigger picture or when there really is a chance to give some good publicity.
Quote from: Adrienne on July 27, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on July 27, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
This year, the fact that William didn't attend the full course, has only learned to do investitures and let his grandmother spend 6M in a home he will not live in full time, has shown Charles and the Queen are not in control or even in the know as to what William wants and will do...
FWIW, reasonable people can both disagree that those are, in fact, "facts", and with your conclusion.
I very much agree with you, Adrienne.
Quote from: Canuck on July 27, 2014, 10:21:26 PM
Quote from: Adrienne on July 27, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on July 27, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
This year, the fact that William didn't attend the full course, has only learned to do investitures and let his grandmother spend 6M in a home he will not live in full time, has shown Charles and the Queen are not in control or even in the know as to what William wants and will do...
FWIW, reasonable people can both disagree that those are, in fact, "facts", and with your conclusion.
I very much agree with you, Adrienne.
And I agree with Lima. :hug: :hug: Beauty of the a Forum, and of different opinions! :flower:
Quote from: Canuck on July 27, 2014, 10:21:26 PM
Quote from: Adrienne on July 27, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on July 27, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
This year, the fact that William didn't attend the full course, has only learned to do investitures and let his grandmother spend 6M in a home he will not live in full time, has shown Charles and the Queen are not in control or even in the know as to what William wants and will do...
FWIW, reasonable people can both disagree that those are, in fact, "facts", and with your conclusion.
I very much agree with you, Adrienne.
Excellent points ladies. It's great that we have the opportunity to discuss our opinions and knowledge at this site.
Quote from: Adrienne on July 27, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on July 27, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
This year, the fact that William didn't attend the full course, has only learned to do investitures and let his grandmother spend 6M in a home he will not live in full time, has shown Charles and the Queen are not in control or even in the know as to what William wants and will do...
FWIW, reasonable people can both disagree that those are, in fact, "facts", and with your conclusion.
The facts are there is no evidence at all of any kind that he did anything else this gap year but 1) a few royal visits, the tour, the 10 week course of which he attended 8 weeks and a few days or that he learned to do anything other than investitures... Another fact is that Charles and HM have both reported that this was not a great year in terms of finances (especially for Charles) and that 44 Million in urgent repairs are needed for different palaces, yet it is also a fact that the Queen spent 4.5 Million refurbishing William's KP apartment and that Charles spent 1.5 Million decorating and furnishing an 'apartment' that did not require urgent repairs because a)it was being used as storage space by an office and b) the future tenant was not living there permanently in the near future. It is my opinion, that either the Queen or Charles are people who throw money around without prioritizing carefully, or William kept them in the dark as to his plans for the future.
Again, I think these "facts" are very much in the eye of the beholder. For example, you think:
Quote from: Limabeany on July 28, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
there is no evidence at all of any kind that he did anything else this gap year but 1) a few royal visits, the tour, the 10 week course of which he attended 8 weeks and a few days or that he learned to do anything other than investitures...
Whereas in my opinion: (1) there's no evidence at all that he only attended 8 weeks of a 10 week course, particularly since some have pointed out (and some newspaper articles referred to) the Cambridge break week being the week he was away, such that he wouldn't have missed classes; and (2) he did quite a few things this year, for example forming United for Wildlife, taking over Sub Aqua from Charles, attending Prince's Council meetings with his father, attending the Diplomatic Corps reception for the first time, etc. He's also stepped up his appearances schedule significantly since finishing the Cambridge course, first with the Aus/NZ tour and then back in the UK since the tour's end.
Similarly, while you think:
Quote from: Limabeany on July 28, 2014, 09:11:19 PMthat Charles and HM have both reported that this was not a great year in terms of finances (especially for Charles) and that 44 Million in urgent repairs are needed for different palaces, yet it is also a fact that the Queen spent 4.5 Million refurbishing William's KP apartment and that Charles spent 1.5 Million decorating and furnishing an 'apartment' that did not require urgent repairs because a)it was being used as storage space by an office and b) the future tenant was not living there permanently in the near future.
I have very different opinions on the subject -- but I feel like this has been discussed ad nauseum here lately, so I'll leave it at that.
The Cambridge University "spring break" did not coincide with the Maldives trip. The Lent term was from January 14 to March 14, followed by a break until after Easter. The Maldives trip was a week earlier than the break, with the first reports around March 6.
Term dates and calendars | University of Cambridge (http://www.cam.ac.uk/about-the-university/term-dates-and-calendars)
Prince William and Kate Middleton spotted on holiday in Maldives - hellomagazine.com (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2014030617353/prince-william-kate-middleton-holiday-maldives/)
Fair enough, Thain, thanks for the correction. If read that somewhere on here and hadn't looked it up myself.
The rest of my post stands, though. A lot of claims as to facts are really about interpretation and opinion.
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:hmm: I definitely wasn't trying to suggest that any opinions aren't welcome -- and I think I was pretty clear that my own posts are themselves opinions -- just trying to point out the difference between claimed "facts" and what are actually, in my view, opinions.
Quote from: Canuck on July 28, 2014, 11:15:16 PM
(1) there's no evidence at all that he only attended 8 weeks of a 10 week course, particularly since some have pointed out (and some newspaper articles referred to) the Cambridge break week being the week he was away, such that he wouldn't have missed classes; and (2) he did quite a few things this year, for example forming United for Wildlife, taking over Sub Aqua from Charles, attending Prince's Council meetings with his father, attending the Diplomatic Corps reception for the first time, etc. He's also stepped up his appearances schedule significantly since finishing the Cambridge course, first with the Aus/NZ tour and then back in the UK since the tour's end.
1)There is evidence he was vacationing with Kate for a week and with Harry and Jecca from Thursday through Sunday another week, DURING the course, what there is NO evidence of is that his course, specifically, was on pring or any other vacation wither time. So there is evidence he only attended a little over 8 weeks. Photographic and reported by the media unquestionably.
2) He did royal duties, as I explained on my post, the Tour, as I also explained on my post but LEARNED nothing more than to do investitures, there is NO evidence that he learned anything else.
There are no major newspapers saying or speculating William was on a Cambridge spring break and no Palace announcement to that effect.
Prince William and Kate Middleton fly to Maldives for week long holiday | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/463390/Prince-William-and-Kate-Middleton-fly-to-Maldives-for-week-long-holiday)
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The Maldives was on William and Kate's shortlist of honeymoon destinations but they eventually opted to go to the Seychelles.
The couple's decision to go on holiday comes ahead of a gruelling three-week tour of New Zealand and Australia beginning on April 7.
But it has surprised many royal watchers.
William, 31, is just nearing the end of an intensive 10-week course in agricultural management at Cambridge University, intended to prepare him for a future role managing the Duchy of Cornwall estate when he is heir to the throne.
Kate Middleton and Prince William jet off without George for 'second honeymoon' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575239/Wills-Kate-jet-second-honeymoon-Maldives-minus-George.html)
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However, its timing is something of a surprise because William was due to be studying at Cambridge University.
The prince enrolled on the ten-week course in agricultural management on January 7, which should have seen him there until the end of this month.
At the time Kensington Palace said he would have around 20 hours a week of timetabled lectures, seminars and meetings. He was also expected to study in his own time and undertake the occasional field trip.
Last month William attracted public criticism when he went on a four-day boar shooting holiday in Spain with his brother.
Sometimes we just have to take things on faith. They said he was taking a course and I believe them. Not everything is a conspiracy to deceive the public. Because really, why would they want to lie about PW taking a course. :shrug:
You are, of course, welcome to take things on faith.
However, I don't because the communications team for the Cambridges has been shown to mislead journalists and the public, knowingly or not (huge example: journalists were told the couple will make their permanent base KP, a year later that's not the case.)
I agree Lady Adams; taking things "in faith" is not the way I usually do things either. Of course, I am wrong at times, but I prefer to look at the facts and come to a conclusion based on prior experience.
Of all the things that the RF could possibly mislead the public over, why would they mislead them over a short term course. There is no logic. I really don't see the point of it. And why would they announce that he had finished the course. In the UK people don't generally make a fuss over graduating/finishing a program. They just.....leave. (this is a direct quote from my British SIL)
^^ It would show that William lacks the discipline to finish things he's started :shrug:
^The guy has finished a uni program with a 2:1, graduated from Sandhurst, became a pilot and served 7.5 years in the army. Doesn't say quitter to me
It shows that people want to know the minute details of the RF activities. Maybe that is a good idea, maybe it is not. Where does it end? Does QE need to clock in when she starts looking at the red boxes and clock out when she ends? Every minute of every meeting be available to the public?
People don't graduate from bespoke programs. When it is done, it is done. The RF doesn't report every activity. They announced that William was taking this course. They obviously did not see the need to announce that it was over - they said it would be X many weeks and likely assumed that we all could figure out how to look at a calendar to find out when it was over. Maybe they didn't think that people would be that interested. Who knows?
The RF has always operated on a need to know basis. The exceptional is reported. IF he had NOT completed the course, it would have been announced, IMO. The fact that the course was over is not exceptional - it was expected. Therefore, not announced.
I agree with that, Macrobug. If this had been a program where he got a degree or had a graduation ceremony at the end, I'm sure that would have been announced. But if there is an announcement that he is undertaking a time-limited activity without that type of end event, then I would not expect an announcement he had reached the pre-scheduled end. I would, however, expect an announcement if he had failed to complete something it was announced he was doing.
Then why announce that he's taking it to begin with
Of course they are going to announce that he is doing a course like that. People would have noticed his activities on campus. And media would have wondered and dug
Speaking of which. Had he not finished the course don't you think the media would have figured that out by now. And I am sure someone checked.
Quote from: HistoryGirl on July 29, 2014, 03:08:49 AM
Then why announce that he's taking it to begin with
I don't see how that's the same thing? He was taking a course to help him prepare for running the Duchy. That's relevant information to his role as a Royal, and it makes total sense that it would be announced (and as Macrobug points out, it's not like they could have hid it even if they'd wanted to). But to then say "remember how we said Will was doing a ten week class? Well, it's been 10 weeks and now it's over" doesn't seem like a necessary announcement to me. On the other hand, if Will had dropped out of the program in week 9 for some reason, I would expect an announcement to clarify that (again, as Macrobug says, it's likely someone would have figured out that had happened, if it had, and the BRF would want to get out in front of that story).
Quote from: Macrobug on July 29, 2014, 03:13:21 AM
Of course they are going to announce that he is doing a course like that. People would have noticed his activities on campus. And media would have wondered and dug
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You know, I could have sworn I pointed that out three pages ago.
ETA: oh, wait, sorry.. that was in the other thread.
^What's necessary to you may not be what is deemed necessary to others. I said that because someone posted about the "where will the reports of royalty end". To me it doesn't matter whether he finished the course or not because I've gone on record as being confused why that was not pursued as an undergrad. I don't care about it one way or another because i dont care about William; hes more of an anomaly to me more than anything else. I simply agreed with Lady Adams that it is a possibility that he did not finish; whether that makes sense to others that disagree is not something that I can fix.
^^I swear I said the same thing, too, a while back. :happy15:
Why would someone not finish a bespoke program? He has proven he can handle uni level work. It is tailored to him and his interests. There doesn't seem to be any question that he wasn't attending up to week 9. Why would he "drop out" with one week left?
Maybe everything was finished with one week to spare?
Maybe it was "takehome" stuff that he completed at pool side?
Maybe (and this is the most likely one) he finished up when he got back after a planned trip that the university was aware was happening from the get-go?
Think about all the logistics that is necessary for a Royal to travel out of country. They don't just drop everything and go. They have to notify the country they are going to. Even for private visits. This trip wasn't spur of the moment. It was planned. And if it was planned, the uni was in on the planning. Ergo....the break was part of the plan and Wills did not skip out.
Quote from: HistoryGirl on July 29, 2014, 03:25:40 AM
^What's necessary to you may not be what is deemed necessary to others. I said that because someone posted about the "where will the reports of royalty end". To me it doesn't matter whether he finished the course or not because I've gone on record as being confused why that was not pursued as an undergrad. I don't care about it one way or another because i dont care about William; hes more of an anomaly to me more than anything else. I simply agreed with Lady Adams that it is a possibility that he did not finish; whether that makes sense to others that disagree is not something that I can fix.
I'm willing to concede that there's a possibility that he didn't finish, for the record. I tend to think he did, but that's because I haven't been shown any evidence that he didn't, and it makes more sense to me that he did than didn't.
The *only* actual fact is that we do not know all the facts (a point I've made before, which always gets interpreted as meaning more than it does, FWIW). Therefore for either side of the "he did/he didn't" to claim "facts" is premature.
Ok...sure he finished. You guys win. No sense in arguing this anymore for me.
I agree with that, Adrienne. Do we know 100% for certain that Will finished the course? No. But it is, IMO, far far more likely than the alternative, that Will for some reason dropped out of a course with one week left, when he had already completed 90% of it and there were no exams to be passed, and the BRF said nothing to explain him dropping out and no reporter received any leak from any source about that happening.
Not every little detail of the BRF's lives is going to be subject to a press release, so at some point I think it makes sense to assume that the obvious, likely thing occurred since no one has given any reason to think it didn't. But obviously others are free to their own views.
Quote from: HistoryGirl on July 29, 2014, 03:38:04 AM
Ok...sure he finished. You guys win. No sense in arguing this anymore for me.
HG This isn't a contest. There isn't a winner/loser. We are discussing! Debating! :happy20: This is the point of a forum. Someone comes up with a topic and we discuss. People will have differing opinions and so we set forth our argument with what we feel is right and then the next person agree or disputes.
There is no winners. What fun is there in that. This forum is to share opinions and ideas. It is suppose to be fun! C'mon and play! :flower: Tell us what you think and why. If there is any winning it is in the meeting of minds and maybe even knowledge gained and the expansion of horizons. Half the time I am coming up with a theory on the fly. I try to see if I can present it in a logical manner that is thought through (kinda like essay writing). And just when I think it is airtight, some one comes along and demonstrates all sorts of holes in my logic. And I say " well, crap" and try to argue it from another direction. If anything, spending time here has improved my debating and writing skills.
You are a history major. I, for one, love British history. And I would love to debate history with someone who truly knows it.
I cannot; when I apply the skills of historical analysis someone claims the entirety of the facts aren't there, but in history the facts are never all there but that doesn't stop the conclusion. So for me personally there's no point because that's the only way I can do things.
Ah. I think that you would be someone who could truly debate. I have a scientific brain. I am just learning to debate. In health care we operate on signs and symptoms and tests to rule out a list of possibilities. Quite different. Which makes it so much fun here.
Fact: William signed up for a 10 week course.
Fact: William was vacationing abroad 1 and half weeks during this course.
Fact: Neither the Palace nor Cambridge announced William was on spring break during either vacation from the course.
Fact: William was not photographed or reported either by media or students attending the course more than a few times.
(One would think the students would have been talking about it, the whole ten weeks)
Fact: Neither the Palace nor Cambridge announced William finished the course. The story simply died...
(If they announced he had started it, why not announce he had finished it?)
Quote from: Canuck on July 29, 2014, 03:42:04 AM
I agree with that, Adrienne. Do we know 100% for certain that Will finished the course? No. But it is, IMO, far far more likely than the alternative, that Will for some reason dropped out of a course with one week left, when he had already completed 90% of it and there were no exams to be passed, and the BRF said nothing to explain him dropping out and no reporter received any leak from any source about that happening.
Not every little detail of the BRF's lives is going to be subject to a press release, so at some point I think it makes sense to assume that the obvious, likely thing occurred since no one has given any reason to think it didn't. But obviously others are free to their own views.
The course included geography, which he majored in university, plus A level as undergrad. Very highly likely he was exempt from retaking it again during the ten week leadership sustainability course.
William will do good when the duchy is his, anecdotes of father and son loving Highgrove....priced and worldwide renowned for its farming and organic sustainability.
No evidence he was exempt from anything, no evidence he will be good at managing a Duchy he isn't even putting in a visible effort to learn about and work in or even wanting to do this in his thirties already... As far as opinions go, it is as valuable as any. :)
Maybe Kate as Phillip to the Queen will be in charge.
William seems so hell-bent in having his way and doing what he pleases, I doubt Kate has much say in anything. I think he really likes being with the Middletons and why not?
Quote from: wannable on July 29, 2014, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Canuck on July 29, 2014, 03:42:04 AM
I agree with that, Adrienne. Do we know 100% for certain that Will finished the course? No. But it is, IMO, far far more likely than the alternative, that Will for some reason dropped out of a course with one week left, when he had already completed 90% of it and there were no exams to be passed, and the BRF said nothing to explain him dropping out and no reporter received any leak from any source about that happening.
Not every little detail of the BRF's lives is going to be subject to a press release, so at some point I think it makes sense to assume that the obvious, likely thing occurred since no one has given any reason to think it didn't. But obviously others are free to their own views.
The course included geography, which he majored in university, plus A level as undergrad. Very highly likely he was exempt from retaking it again during the ten week leadership sustainability course.
William will do good when the duchy is his, anecdotes of father and son loving Highgrove....priced and worldwide renowned for its farming and organic sustainability.
To be honest, I find it far more credible that the course was built with the vacations baked in than that they created a bespoke course and then exempted him from part of it, FWIW. There were 12 weeks between the week of January 7 (counting that week) and the end of March. The course was reported to be ending at "the end of March". If it was a straight 10 weeks, the last week would have been March 10-14, which a) is not the end of march, but the middle, b) overlapped the vacation. While that can be interpreted as "he skipped out on the last week", I feel the most likely scenario, given the type of course it was, is that the 10 weeks was spread over the 12 weeks, with time for the vacation, hunting trip, and official engagements.
As an aside, I notice no-one ever points at the engagements he undertook on Feb 12, 16, March 4, 17, and 18 as evidence that he was skipping out on the course, though they happened within the Jan-Mar period in which he was studying. They certainly took time away from the course. If you believe, as I do, that the course was designed with his pre-existing schedule baked in, then it's not a problem. But if you believe that he had 10 weeks straight from January 7, with no flexibility allowed, then the evidence says he was skipping class on Feb 12 & 16, and March 4.
There was no mention anywhere of the course ending at the end of March, but simply in March. You are right about the engagements, Adrienne, it is easier to justify a day here and there than a full week and half week but if you add the engagements to the week and half that makes it nearly three weeks that William did not attend. :hmm: The problem with the pre-existing schedule built around his engagements lies in the fact that some classes were taken not by William alone but on pre-existing classes with other PhD students...
Quote from: Limabeany on July 29, 2014, 12:07:42 PM
There was no mention anywhere of the course ending at the end of March, but simply in March. You are right about the engagements, Adrienne, it is easier to justify a day here and there than a full week and half week but if you add the engagements to the week and half that makes it nearly three weeks that William did not attend. :hmm:
"He is studying in order to prepare himself for taking over the Duchy of Cornwall estate but doesn't have any classes this week and the course is set to conclude at the end of the month."
Paradise lost for Prince William on return to Cambridge University to hit the books after 'honeymoon' trip to the Maldives with Kate | Cambridge News (http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Paradise-lost-for-Prince-William-on-return-to-Cambridge-to-hit-the-books-after-honeymoon-trip-to-the-Maldives-with-Kate-20140313063359.htm)
"Prince William is to complete his 10-week intensive agricultural course at Cambridge University at the end of March, however his getaway comes during a week where no lectures are scheduled."
Prince William and Kate Middleton spotted on holiday in Maldives - hellomagazine.com (http://ca.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2014030617353/prince-william-kate-middleton-holiday-maldives/)
There's also some blog posts. :shrug:
Again, I am not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that there are other reasonable interpretations.
I saw a number of articles talk about the course finishing at the end of March. Here's one example: Prince William and Kate Middleton spotted on holiday in Maldives - hellomagazine.com (http://ca.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2014030617353/prince-william-kate-middleton-holiday-maldives/)
It also notes that there were no lectures scheduled the week he was away.
Funny how Cambridge News and Hello 'knew' that but none of the UK newspapers knew that. Especially since it was bespoke ONLY for William and no dates were given to the media only From January through March according to UK news media, I wonder what went on there, I guess we'll never know, he didn't attend nearly three weeks and there is no evidence he attended more than a few times, no reports from the students and so forth and there was no information from the Palace saying he finished it... :hmm:
Quote from: Macrobug on July 29, 2014, 04:50:55 AM
Ah. I think that you would be someone who could truly debate. I have a scientific brain. I am just learning to debate. In health care we operate on signs and symptoms and tests to rule out a list of possibilities. Quite different. Which makes it so much fun here.
I'm not sure what you meant by this, but I'm in the same boat as History Girl and completely agree with her statement that "it is a possibility that he did not finish; whether that makes sense to others that disagree is not something that I can fix." After a while, there's only so much to say, and it's easier and more fun to let someone else have the last word. :flower:
As HG stated, she has been taught to make conclusions by extrapolating info from available data. And isn't that a cornerstone of debate? This was meant as a compliment.
Quote from: Canuck on July 29, 2014, 03:42:04 AM
I agree with that, Adrienne. Do we know 100% for certain that Will finished the course? No. But it is, IMO, far far more likely than the alternative, that Will for some reason dropped out of a course with one week left, when he had already completed 90% of it and there were no exams to be passed, and the BRF said nothing to explain him dropping out and no reporter received any leak from any source about that happening.
William was vacationing at the beach 1 week of the course, vacationing in Spain another half a week of the course and at royal engagements, an additional 5 days of the 10 week course. He did not complete 90% of the course. Further, it would be illogical for KP to announce he is taking the course and not announce the end of such course unless it was not in their best interest to do so as that would have given William a tangible achievement, even without results being made public... Furthermore, I find it impossible to believe he was only photographed four or five times at Cambridge, if he attended at least 7 weeks in a row Monday through Friday...
Quote from: HistoryGirl on July 29, 2014, 03:25:40 AM
^What's necessary to you may not be what is deemed necessary to others. I said that because someone posted about the "where will the reports of royalty end". To me it doesn't matter whether he finished the course or not because I've gone on record as being confused why that was not pursued as an undergrad. I don't care about it one way or another because i dont care about William; hes more of an anomaly to me more than anything else. I simply agreed with Lady Adams that it is a possibility that he did not finish; whether that makes sense to others that disagree is not something that I can fix.
:hug: I agree with you and Lady Adams. There is no evidence he completed the course. There is only evidence he attended a few times. That can be explained away, with whatever theory makes people happy, but it cannot be disputed with evidence, as there is no evidence or announcement to indicate William finished the course. It was not in the Palace's interest not to cite that as an achievement for William during what many people are still referring to as a gap year.
Will was vacationing at the beach for 1 week, during which reports say he had no classes and at least some journalists say the course was to continue on until the end of March (which would make it 10 weeks even if he did no work while on vacation -- which many students do, of course). Likewise, if the course continued to the end of March, that would account for the two days he missed in Spain and the couple of days for Royal engagements. I agree with those who thinks that given this was a custom-designed course, it's likely that any time Will was away was built into it at the beginning.
And while there is no "evidence" he finished it, there is likewise no "evidence" that he did not.
Quote from: Macrobug on July 29, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
As HG stated, she has been taught to make conclusions by extrapolating info from available data. And isn't that a cornerstone of debate? This was meant as a compliment.
I won't answer for HG, but as someone who also studied history, I will say that a robust debate is one of consideration and conversation. As soon as it delves into: "Point A!" "No, Point B!" "No, Point A!" Etc... It merely becomes counterproductive. :shrug: Some friends of mine consider "winning" a debate to be synonymous with having the last word. Obviously, I do not subscribe to that thesis.
:hijack!:
Anyway, carry on...
Quote from: Limabeany on July 29, 2014, 02:34:29 PM
William was vacationing at the beach 1 week of the course, vacationing in Spain another half a week of the course and at royal engagements, an additional 5 days of the 10 week course. He did not complete 90% of the course. Further, it would be illogical for KP to announce he is taking the course and not announce the end of such course unless it was not in their best interest to do so as that would have given William a tangible achievement, even without results being made public... Furthermore, I find it impossible to believe he was only photographed four or five times at Cambridge, if he attended at least 7 weeks in a row Monday through Friday...
He was photographed four or five times disembarking from the train that took him to Cambridge, as far as I know. After snapping those pictures on succeeding days, which all looked basically the same, the media probably got tired of waiting on the platform for William to step out of the train, walk a few paces, and disappear.
I see the logic of announcing that he would be taking the course since people ... or at least, the media (who seem to always know where William is) ... would wonder what he was doing traveling back and forth to Cambridge if nothing was said. Also, it let the public know that he was engaging in a course that would be beneficial in preparing him for his future role at Duke of Cornwall. I don't see why an announcement that he had completed the course would be necessary, though.
Cindy
Quote from: Lady Adams on July 29, 2014, 03:43:01 PM
Quote from: Macrobug on July 29, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
As HG stated, she has been taught to make conclusions by extrapolating info from available data. And isn't that a cornerstone of debate? This was meant as a compliment.
I won't answer for HG, but as someone who also studied history, I will say that a robust debate is one of consideration and conversation. As soon as it delves into: "Point A!" "No, Point B!" "No, Point A!" Etc... It merely becomes counterproductive. :shrug: Some friends consider "winning" a debate to be synonymous with having the last word. Obviously, I do not subscribe to that thesis.
:hijack!:
Anyway, carry on...
Yes Lady Adams, that was my point. I understand what Macro was saying; I do enjoy debating and I do it often (i kind of have to lol), but once it starts to become a conversation of back and forth and "you don't make sense" thing, I extract myself from it because there's no point, the debate is dead for me.
Quote from: cinrit on July 29, 2014, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on July 29, 2014, 02:34:29 PM
William was vacationing at the beach 1 week of the course, vacationing in Spain another half a week of the course and at royal engagements, an additional 5 days of the 10 week course. He did not complete 90% of the course. Further, it would be illogical for KP to announce he is taking the course and not announce the end of such course unless it was not in their best interest to do so as that would have given William a tangible achievement, even without results being made public... Furthermore, I find it impossible to believe he was only photographed four or five times at Cambridge, if he attended at least 7 weeks in a row Monday through Friday...
He was photographed four or five times disembarking from the train that took him to Cambridge, as far as I know. After snapping those pictures on succeeding days, which all looked basically the same, the media probably got tired of waiting on the platform for William to step out of the train, walk a few paces, and disappear.
I see the logic of announcing that he would be taking the course since people ... or at least, the media (who seem to always know where William is) ... would wonder what he was doing traveling back and forth to Cambridge if nothing was said. Also, it let the public know that he was engaging in a course that would be beneficial in preparing him for his future role at Duke of Cornwall. I don't see why an announcement that he had completed the course would be necessary, though.
Cindy
Also in this day in age I'd expect that this course would also include some online work. The part of the course that required him to go to farms, meet with land management experts and be present in the classroom was likely one part of the course. The rest could be done from his own home or elsewhere. :)
Also by the time the course was winding down, then the preparations for the NZ/Australia trip were in full swing and the focus had shifted to "What will George wear????" :P
Intensive and some classes taken with other PhD students, does not sound like something that he would do at home 7 weeks of the course, as far as him looking the same every day and that is why he wasn't photographed, no, the media would have camped there and reported it but more importantly, there would have been reports by students of having seen him and there were none... So he could not have attended every day... or even often... He knew about the trip before the course and took it anyway, but, also William and Kate do not have the lowest IQ and stamina of anyone in the royal family, why do they need more time and rest than anyone else before and after tours when their tours are the lightest of anyone else?
Quote from: cinrit on July 29, 2014, 04:04:38 PM
I see the logic of announcing that he would be taking the course since people ... or at least, the media (who seem to always know where William is) ... would wonder what he was doing traveling back and forth to Cambridge if nothing was said. Also, it let the public know that he was engaging in a course that would be beneficial in preparing him for his future role at Duke of Cornwall. I don't see why an announcement that he had completed the course would be necessary, though.
Cindy
An announcement that he finished the course would have been best for William and the Palace, they didn't do it because students and the media would have then had reason to point out he barely was there. There was nothing but good pr for everyone involved in announcing he had finished the course and had that achievement under his belt.
If you choose to believe he never went to the course, you're free to do so. I do think it's curious that people don't similarly insist that Harry never goes to work because there aren't pictures of him walking into the building every single day...
Harry works in an MoD office where could only be seen by people who work there as it is not an open space in public view whereas William was on campus allegedly taking a train and allegedly walking through campus to go to classes, hard to miss William IF he had gone every day... Further, unless someone claims Harry had nothing to do with the Invictus Games, he will have something to show for what he has been doing, William has absolutely NOTHING to show for the course he is supposed to have attended at least seven weeks, not even student reports of having seen him or attending classes with him or even a Palce word about him finishing the course...
Quote from: Canuck on July 30, 2014, 02:48:56 AM
If you choose to believe he never went to the course, you're free to do so.
Since there is no evidence he attended the course more than a few times and no announcement he finished it, I would have to conclude that anyone who says he did finish the course is taking a leap of faith believing that...
Just like I have to conclude that anyone insisting he skipped 7 weeks of it without a single media source figuring that out probably wouldn't be convinced otherwise even if the dean of the university signed an affidavit swearing he personally accompanied Will to 20 hours of class and studying each week.
That's the beauty of opinions, we can all hold different ones.
Quote from: Limabeany on July 30, 2014, 03:09:50 AM
Quote from: Canuck on July 30, 2014, 02:48:56 AM
If you choose to believe he never went to the course, you're free to do so.
Since there is no evidence he attended the course more than a few times and no announcement he finished it, I would have to conclude that anyone who says he did finish the course is taking a leap of faith believing that...
:scuba: I took my leap of faith with a full tank and lots of pretty fish to see. And it is a lovely place to be
Not just media source, no student, none, posted anywhere having seen him beyond the few times the media did, to say that no student in Cambridge and no one taking the train for 7 weeks has any social media or recognized William does seem a bit fantastical...
Making up alternate versions where they do all sorts of valuable stuff behind the scenes or sneak in secretly unseen to classes to 6 weeks is not logical to me, different strokes for different folks. :truce:
The class was a bespoke class, which would be non-traditional and probably not for PhD students, since it wasn't full term. There were probably just a very few students, including other managers of large property holdings, maybe bankers or brokers. I'm pretty sure the class would have accommodated all non-traditional students' schedules. The other students would be discreet because they need discretion in return.
My husband is a university professor and has taught a few of these kinds of classes during inter-sessions or as an added class. Some classes were for groups of foreign students, and their schedule was built around sightseeing trips to other cities, which might require a week of no attendance. No grades are given in these classes and they tend to be very informal in the US.
He has also taught classes in island countries that don't have a college which offers a Masters degree, and the schedule is built around the students' work and events.
Quote from: Canuck on July 30, 2014, 02:48:56 AM
If you choose to believe he never went to the course, you're free to do so. I do think it's curious that people don't similarly insist that Harry never goes to work because there aren't pictures of him walking into the building every single day...
A rag mag said a couple of months ago that Harry hardly goes, and when he does he serves coffee, tea and cake.
Unless the rag report also said he has nothing to do with the Invictus Games, that speaks for him...