A thread to discuss Diana's siblings and other family members
Robert Fellowes was created a life peer in 1999 taking the title Baron Fellowes, of Shotesham in the County of Norfolk.
When he married, his wife Lady Jane (Spencer) Fellowes was a lady of nobility with the title of Her Ladyship. She is now Baroness Fellowes.
Does Jane outrank Robert because she was titled before he was?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on October 21, 2015, 12:43:14 AM
Robert Fellowes was created a life peer in 1999 taking the title Baron Fellowes, of Shotesham in the County of Norfolk.
When he married, his wife Lady Jane (Spencer) Fellowes was a lady of nobility with the title of Her Ladyship. She is now Baroness Fellowes.
Does Jane outrank Robert because she was titled before he was?
^ No, Jane's title is known as a courtesy title because she was the daughter of an Earl (after her father succeeded to the Earldom.) Before that she was an Hon. because her father was a Viscount. She certainly outranked Robert when she married (as a Viscount or Earl's daughter) before he received his life peerage, but not now.
Louis Spencer is the first cousin of Prince William and Prince Harry.
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Louis Spencer currently attends the University of Edinburgh.
Wow! He's really good-looking!
Prince Harry is inviting Diana's entire Spencer family to his wedding | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5611805/How-Prince-Harry-keeping-late-mother-close-inviting-ENTIRE-Spencer-clan-wedding.html)
Youll have to go about halfway down the article as it profiles many of the Spencer family. Of the two sisters Diana resembled her the most. Jane's hair color and style is VERY much like Diana's was in this pic. Gives one a very rough idea(of course she would be more lovely) of what Diana would like like now, and of course a sad reminder that shes not.
I would only be surprised if none of Diana's siblings and their families were excluded from the wedding and reception. Yes
@Duch_Luver_4ever I agree that Jane and Diana closely resemble each other.
TBH im surprised
@TLLK shed have her hair so closely resemble Diana's after all this time of having a different hair style and color than hers, Sarah for a time had a mirror image style of Diana's first style just parted on the right side.
Well TBH I'm not all that surprised about the cut and color. The color is good for the Spencer coloring and it is easier to go with highlights to cover/blend in greys. It's an easy to care for and flattering hairstyle for women over 50 because it isn't too long. (Long hair can "pull" the down face) and the side part is typically better for most face shapes. IMO Diana would have likely continued to have a shorter hairstyle for the rest of her life.
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Now you know more than you ever wanted to know about hairstyles for the women over fifty. :D
Jane had sort of mousy brown hair when she was young didn't she, and a rather plain but pleasant face. You could tell that her hair had the Spencer red lights though, and I think Jane has in fact improved in looks as she's got older.
I remember reading somewhere that Charles asked Diana to grow her hair a bit longer (probably shoulder length) and she refused. I really can't picture hair with hair longer than she always had it.
Most of the younger pics are in b/w but it looks more red than brown, esp in her teens/early twenties. I agree Janes looks have held up, imo she was pretty but yes, plainer than Diana when she was young. Then for a long time after Diana died, she looked careworn and older than her years, but this latest to me pic in the DM shows her looking much better than say 10-15 yrs ago.
I cant see diana with long hair, last time she had it long was when she was very young (0-10) aside from that brief time in 84 when she wore it longer with the combs (it was a pretty change but the shorter hair was by far a better look for her). Charles also wanted her blonder than her normal color, it looked fine, but stupid fool didnt know enough to leave alone a living masterpiece, looks wise.
Thanks for the info on post middle age hair
@TLLK yes, more than I planned on knowing about it when i got up today.
QuoteThanks for the info on post middle age hair @TLLK yes, more than I planned on knowing about it when i got up today
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Just remember that knowledge is power!!! Impress the guys the next time you're watching football, hockey etc... :P
QuoteI think Jane has in fact improved in looks as she's got older
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Quote from: Curryong on April 13, 2018, 11:20:23 PM
Jane had sort of mousy brown hair when she was young didn't she, and a rather plain but pleasant face. You could tell that her hair had the Spencer red lights though, and I think Jane has in fact improved in looks as she's got older.
I remember reading somewhere that Charles asked Diana to grow her hair a bit longer (probably shoulder length) and she refused. I really can't picture hair with hair longer than she always had it.
I remember that hullaballoo about Diana's up-hair at the SOP. I could not get what the fuss was about. She actually looked very beautiful with the up-turn do. The bob was super chic but it would not be able to carry some of the grander pieces of jewelry that would come her way as she grew older. I always feel that when you are young you should experiment as much as possible with your looks because there will come a time when you have a very narrow menu of looks that don't make you look ridiculous.
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@royalanthropologist she was in a classic damned if you do...had she kept the old style theyd have said she didnt respect the gravitas of the occasion to put in an effort, if she did, they got her for supposedly trying to upstage the queen. Sorry but at that time Diana in a binbag would have upstaged her.
Someone is speaking to themselves again.
The article that started this thread is about Harry inviting the Spencer's to his wedding. Yet we get hairstyles to talk about. :lol:
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on April 14, 2018, 11:43:22 PM
:goodpost: @royalanthropologist she was in a classic damned if you do...had she kept the old style theyd have said she didnt respect the gravitas of the occasion to put in an effort, if she did, they got her for supposedly trying to upstage the queen. Sorry but at that time Diana in a binbag would have upstaged her.
I liked the style that she wore for the SoP, but I think ultimately she found that short hair was easier and chose to remain with it.
I can see the resident troll is back in business trying to derail threads with its rants. Clearly it has nothing sensible to say apart from attacking other posters with its pathetic conspiracy theories and bossiness. We had a few days relief and now it is back to torment us. Please begone troll :ugh: :notamused:
Troll is the best you can do to try & cover up. Surely you can come up with something better than that. :lol:
I know something you don't know. :nod:
I am not feeding the troll, thank you very much. This is a nice thread (or was nice until the troll butted in). The last thing we need is for it to be polluted with nonsense from something which clearly needs serious help.
the 4 children resemble johnnie spencer - but i've always found jane the plain one... the other 3 children were strikingly good-looking
I think it is more to do with her fashion choices than being an incurably plain Jane. Most people can look good or bad depending on whether they have the right stylist and select the right clothes for them. The Spencers have big bones and are generally tall so it is about creating the impression of sophisticated understatement and softer looks. Jane is a country woman at heart and I think all that chic business is not her thing. I have to admit that as she has grown older, she seems to have found a style that suits her.
^i'm really talking about her face in itself... even when young she had a old face IMO - there are people who are like that
I see what you mean. It is one of those annoying things when everybody thinks you are older than you really are :hehe:
Quote from: dianab on April 15, 2018, 02:37:10 PM
^i'm really talking about her face in itself... even when young she had a old face IMO - there are people who are like that
I agree here especially when you look at pictures of her wedding. Jane has finally grown into her looks.
Quote from: Kritter on April 15, 2018, 07:06:29 AM
Troll is the best you can do to try & cover up. Surely you can come up with something better than that. :lol:
I know something you don't know. :nod:
Quote from: royalanthropologist on April 15, 2018, 08:33:18 AM
I am not feeding the troll, thank you very much. This is a nice thread (or was nice until the troll butted in). The last thing we need is for it to be polluted with nonsense from something which clearly needs serious help.
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IMO she looks just like Diana would have done if not married into the RF. And her voice at Diana's funeral, took my breath away.
^i think jane is more similar to johnnie while diana was more similar to her granny cynthia... i dont think diana would have been a country housewife if she hadnt met charles... she surely would have married but a london man... i remember seeing her former nanny in a doc telling as diana since she was a little girl as she liked her dresses and beautiful things... i think in terms of style (hair, clothes), her likes (city, beaches) she would have been the same, even if she hadnt got involved with the Windsors....
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Quote from: Trudie on April 15, 2018, 03:21:09 PM
I agree here especially when you look at pictures of her wedding. Jane has finally grown into her looks.
that's a perfect example IMO
the latest pics i saw of jane it was few years ago, the woman looked a 70-something, shocking really!
^ Really? I think she has beautiful skin. Redheads usually do. Porcelain like.
REALLY! She used having a beautiful skin... then saw photos of jane with sarah and then in another event with her husband... both she and sarah looked so old, it was like they were about 10 years older than diana and charles spencer...
Yes. Really. The aging process gets us all in the end. But, IMO she still has beautiful skin, for her age.
Are you comparing her/them to Diana when she died, perhaps?
no but the fact diana will be 50
and jane looks that
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/99/97/58/9997581da6ad9347754dc8e9449276c1--lady-jane-grey-suits.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/02/article-0-0A48D489000005DC-718_468x399.jpg
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but true she has a beautiful skin but she somewhat she looks very aged
tiggy is another woman who aged badly
Diana would be nearly 57, if she'd lived... odds are, unless she had work doen, she'd look a great deal older....
@dianab The aging process gets us all. Head down pressed on the chin doesn't help either. Not to mention the now grey hair, which is extremely aging.
^yeah but i know middle-class 50-something women they look much better than diana's sisters... most of pictures i posted of jane, diana would have been in her early 50s... i remember a article at DM about what diana would have been at 50 and with a current picture of her sisters, the comments were saying as old her sister look.
BTW Diana had that full of life quality in her and it showed in pictures - but her sisters doesnt, i say the same about kate and the queen
grace kelly dressed matronly in end of her life but at her face she didnt look anymore than her age was, a lady in her early 50s
Diana was manicured towards an inch of her life. Her Sisters had no need to be. IMO therein is the difference.
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Quote from: amabel on April 15, 2018, 05:57:08 PM
Diana would be nearly 57, if she'd lived... odds are, unless she had work doen, she'd look a great deal older....
Just look at Kate, when not pregnant she (IMO) looks like The Joker :
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When pregnant her face looks like it is melting.
I have no doubt Diana would have gone down that same route.
Quote from: amabel on April 15, 2018, 05:57:08 PM
Diana would be nearly 57, if she'd lived... odds are, unless she had work doen, she'd look a great deal older....
I agree
@amabel-Genetics, sun exposure, diet, climate, weight-gain/loss etc...all factor in to how you will appear. Jane seems to have a bit of rosacea on her cheeks and nose too so that might limit which products she can use on her skin too.
Im pleased with the traffic this thread has gotten. As for their relative age appearance, I know Sarah smoked at lot, idk if she still enjoys a tipple or two. Combine that with her fair features, less than top shelf beauty regimens her sister had, and it explains a lot.
As for the pics that Jane looks really old in, she did look quite worn over the last 15 years, part may be the grey hair she didnt have colored for so long, idk if she smokes/drinks/diet and other factors. I DO think that the strain of being between Diana and Robert took its toll, then her death. Also she didnt avail herself of the work on her that Diana did.
Heres a nice pic of her from days gone by http://www.thepeerage.com/100888_001.jpg
and one of her with Diana where Jane looks very nice imo https://78.media.tumblr.com/2081fc0d007940659079b5e2f41bae87/tumblr_mmel4cAWTM1s866rqo1_500.jpg
Heres the wedding, where she does look more older and formal, esp against the sweet and soft lines of Diana's face as shes blossoming into the look wed all know her by https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/view-of-the-wedding-of-robert-fellowes-and-lady-jane-spencer-in-on-picture-id526891779?s=594x594
^^^That is a rather awkward photo of Jane on her wedding day. However I do like the previous ones from when she was younger. :)
As to Sarah, can't help but recall that she was starving herself during her bout of anorexia nervosa and that isn't going to help with the aging process.
QuoteIm pleased with the traffic this thread has gotten.
:thumbsup: It's something that I think people had not considered and it's a welcome break from the usual "tastes great/less filling" discussions. :D
Thanks and Good point
@TLLK I was going to include it and her alcoholism at that time as well, but didnt want to pile on LOL. Yes, the dietary restriction and loss of vitamins and minerals from drinking would have had an effect on her final stages of development which would mean a less resilient beauty features to draw on in later life. In general english/nordic women do have to be more careful with sun and other aging factors as the fair skin highlights any features on the face, good or bad.
Yes the wedding pics were a bit awkward looking, maybe there was things going on, etc. that caused her to not look as happy and radiant as wed expect.
The head shot was very nice, can really see the overlap of features of her and Diana in her late teens early 20s, would have been really nice to see her with the same hairstyle as Diana. The shot of the two of them, Diana's hair gives more contrast between the two.
Speaking of hair, do you think that Diana's red hair during the pics with the dune buggy were dyed? She didnt have red any other time before or after.
Hard to say. As a Spencer, I believe that she would have had some reddish shades mixed in there or it's the lighting IMO.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on April 16, 2018, 10:25:12 PM
Im pleased with the traffic this thread has gotten. As for their relative age appearance, I know Sarah smoked at lot, idk if she still enjoys a tipple or two. Combine that with her fair features, less than top shelf beauty regimens her sister had, and it explains a lot.
As for the pics that Jane looks really old in, she did look quite worn over the last 15 years, part may be the grey hair she didnt have colored for so long, idk if she smokes/drinks/diet and other factors. I DO think that the strain of being between Diana and Robert took its toll, then her death. Also she didnt avail herself of the work on her that Diana did.
Heres a nice pic of her from days gone by http://www.thepeerage.com/100888_001.jpg
and one of her with Diana where Jane looks very nice imo https://78.media.tumblr.com/2081fc0d007940659079b5e2f41bae87/tumblr_mmel4cAWTM1s866rqo1_500.jpg
Heres the wedding, where she does look more older and formal, esp against the sweet and soft lines of Diana's face as shes blossoming into the look wed all know her by https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/view-of-the-wedding-of-robert-fellowes-and-lady-jane-spencer-in-on-picture-id526891779?s=594x594
All of pictures you posted, especially this one https://78.media.tumblr.com/2081fc0d007940659079b5e2f41bae87/tumblr_mmel4cAWTM1s866rqo1_500.jpg
serves my point of view that same jane having a beautiful skin she just looks old - she appears much older than teen diana here IMO - while diana had a thing of very youthful about her
True, although Jane is 4 yrs older than her which at that age can be a lot more than at say 50's. Jane always looked older than her years where Diana looked younger, but, except for the wedding pics, she looks beautiful.
Earl Spencer's third wife Countess Karen Gordon reveals changes to Althorp Northamptonshire | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7026547/Earl-Spencers-wife-Countess-Karen-Gordon-reveals-changes-Althorp-Northamptonshire.html)
"The stately 90-room Tudor mansion and sprawling grounds in Northamptonshire are owned by Diana's brother, Earl Charles Spencer, and have been in the aristocratic Spencer family for 500 years and 18 generations. Earl Spencer has been in charge of the estate for the last 23 years. Althorp house boasts a 100, 000-square foot mansion, which was built in 1508 and has a world-class collection of art, including pieces by Da Vinci, plus antique furniture and ceramics."
It was informative to learn that there is more than one portrait room. It would be interesting to look at some of the books in the library.
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I would give anything to explore Althorp House for a day. :crazylove: The books are probably magnificent. It is open to the public, the next time I'm in England I'll try to visit.
I assume you've seen the PBS documentary:
Secrets of Althorp The Spencers (Full Documentary) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_CPsVOznc)
I saw that documentary on PBS here in The USA. It was really interesting and Charles, The Earl really seemed and emphasized he was a good steward and wanted to leave it better and continue respecting it.
He seemed like it was more of a job for him than his house.
Quote from: Mike on May 17, 2019, 06:08:20 PM
I assume you've seen the PBS documentary:
Secrets of Althorp The Spencers (Full Documentary) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_CPsVOznc)
Yes I did see it
@Mike and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Quote from: Mike on May 17, 2019, 06:08:20 PM
I assume you've seen the PBS documentary:
Secrets of Althorp The Spencers (Full Documentary) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_CPsVOznc)
@Mike Yes, I watched it the other night with a documentary about Highclere Castle. TBH I was very impressed with Charles Spencer's intellect. :thumbsup: He came across as very knowledgeable about Althorp House, his ancesters, and other historic families. He has matured and settled into his role as Earl, he is clearly no longer Champagne Charlie. :teehee:
I do not envy Charles Spencer's never ending list of repairs and restoration. Once one project is done another one is waiting to begin.
Did he sell his estate in South Africa to pay for the repairs at Althorp?
@Mike I don't know but he mentioned in the documentary that he spent upwards of $8 million on repairs. He didn't say how he raised the money. I assumed from fees related to the Diana exhibition and house tours.
I found this: "Charles Spencer Net worth: $154 million. Unlike the Royals, the Spencer family tends to stay out of the limelight. On top of that, they do a much better job of keeping their finances hush-hush. But while the net worth of some of the Spencer family?s most prominent members is unknown, the 9th Earl Spencer, Charles Spencer?s (Kitty Spencer?s father and Princess Diana?s brother) net worth is estimated at around $154 million."
Lady Kitty Spencer, 29, is to wed ?80million fashion tycoon Michael Lewis, 60 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7850121/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-29-wed-80million-fashion-tycoon-Michael-Lewis-60.html)
QuotePrincess Diana's 29-year-old niece is to wed a fashion tycoon five years older than her father, it has been revealed.
South Africa-born multi-millionaire, Michael Lewis, who turns 61 this month, is 32 years older than the society model, who has now agreed to become his second wife.
Mr Lewis is also five years older than Lady Kitty's father, Earl Spencer.
?Michael proposed to Kitty before Christmas,? one of her friends told the Mail.
?She?s been in Cape Town for the holidays and told her mother and the rest of the family. Michael is loved by all of them. Despite his wealth, he?s very humble and low key.?
What is she thinking? Are there no wealthy men around her age?
Absurd.
She's been dating him for a while....
I know. And I don't know why.
I find it hard to believe that she could not find someone of her own age and who was also wealthy, if the income was that important to her.
She wants his money and fashion empire, he is glad to leave it all to her. A win win situation.
They may be in love. Some women for whatever reason like very much older men. Ten years ago one of our top models who was on 'Australia's Next Top Model' married an American multi millionare man very much older than herself. He was in his sixties, she in her twenties. They have a daughter together and are very happy. Nobody can really say what attracts one person to another, and IMO if the couple are happy and are both adults then really that's all that matters.
I do see your point, Curryong. And she does seem to like older men.
Maybe i'm being biased, but an age difference of 30 years is a bit too much.
Wish them the best though if that's what they want.
The age difference is older that she is. :eyes:
That said, if they are happy together no reason they shouldn't get married if they both want to.
until 25 years difference is ok, more than that is too much imo
I wish them happiness in their marriage. :vday2:
Do you think that Lady Kitty will wear the Spencer Tiara on her wedding day? :curtsy: :curtsy: :curtsy: :curtsy:
It depends what sort of a wedding she has. You would think that she it would be celebrated in the little church at Althorp but it could well be a big wedding in London to fit in all her friends or even one in the US, where she seems to have been spending much of her time lately. If it's the latter family tiaras would be a bit de trop.
Do you think Lady Kitty might wear the Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara?
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@LouisFerdinand -Only if she really likes the uglier of the two tiaras. AFAIK none of the Spencer brides have worn it.
The 9th Earl Spencer pays tribute to his aunt Lady Anne Wake-Walker, who died aged 99 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8043403/The-9th-Earl-Spencer-pays-tribute-aunt-Lady-Anne-Wake-Walker-died-aged-99.html)
Princess Diana's aunt, Lady Anne Wake-Walker, dies at the age of 99 - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-princess-dianas-aunt-who-21577224)
Quote from: sara8150 on February 25, 2020, 10:58:10 PM
The 9th Earl Spencer pays tribute to his aunt Lady Anne Wake-Walker, who died aged 99 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8043403/The-9th-Earl-Spencer-pays-tribute-aunt-Lady-Anne-Wake-Walker-died-aged-99.html)
Princess Diana's aunt, Lady Anne Wake-Walker, dies at the age of 99 - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-princess-dianas-aunt-who-21577224)
Lady Anne did not look anything like her brother - not even the same coloring.
It was nice to read that Lady Anne married Christopher Wake-Walker at Westminster Abbey. It is a magnificent church for a wedding.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on February 26, 2020, 11:52:00 PM
It was nice to read that Lady Anne married Christopher Wake-Walker at Westminster Abbey. It is a magnificent church for a wedding.
It is! And at the time she married being a member of the aristocracy was a big deal, even if it was during the war (WWII). She was the daughter of an earl and her wedding was probably attended by the who's who of society at that time, unless it was during the days of the London bombings. I've read that hordes of people would be outside the churches to view, and the newspapers would have full accounts.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on March 13, 2020, 02:47:27 PM
It is! And at the time she married being a member of the aristocracy was a big deal, even if it was during the war (WWII). She was the daughter of an earl and her wedding was probably attended by the who's who of society at that time, unless it was during the days of the London bombings. I've read that hordes of people would be outside the churches to view, and the newspapers would have full accounts.
There wasn't so much 24/7 entertainment then and the upper classes still had a little glamour which they were of course losing during the War.. and after.. Royal weddings had only gradually become a "special entertainment for the public"... in Q Vic's day they were usually relatively private. but bit by bit in the 20th C they became more of a spectacle. culminating in Charles's marriage to Diana and so on. But since Edward married in 1999, the trend is going the other way, I think and people are less interested in royal weddings and they are becoming smaller affairs
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Princess Diana's niece Lady Amelia Spencer gets engaged | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8564705/Princess-Dianas-niece-Lady-Amelia-Spencer-gets-engaged-boyfriend-Greg-Mallett-South-Africa.html)
Wonderful news for the Spencer family! Congratulations to the couple who met at university and have been a couple for ten years now. :clap:
Princess Dianas niece Lady Amelia Spencer has gushed over her engagement to long-term boyfriend Greg Mallett when sharing a romantic picture on Instagram.
The society beauty, 28, who is the daughter of Earl Spencer and first cousin of Princes William and Harry, shared a sweet sunlit photo of herself and her real estate beau sharing a kiss on her private social media account, according to Hello.
I cant wait to marry you, she captioned the affectionate snap.
It comes after Amelia's father Charles Spencer, the younger brother of the late Princess of Wales, revealed that Greg had asked for his blessing before proposing in South Africa.
Princess Diana's niece Lady Amelia Spencer excited to marry | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8591707/Princess-Dianas-niece-Lady-Amelia-Spencer-says-wait-marry.html)
Princess Diana's sister Lady Jane was married to the Queen's assistant private secretary, Robert Fellowes.
Do you think this made it hard for the sisters to get along when Diana was Princess of Wales?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on May 08, 2021, 11:25:57 PM
Princess Diana's sister Lady Jane was married to the Queen's assistant private secretary, Robert Fellowes.
Do you think this made it hard for the sisters to get along when Diana was Princess of Wales?
I think this was discussed before on the forum. It?s quite well known that the difficulties in the Wales?s marriage caused strains between Jane and her husband and at times between the sisters. The Fellowes marriage also reportedly suffered during the subsequent divorce and after the death of the Prss of Wales, partly due to Robert?s loyalty to the Queen and his position as her Private Secretary.
It was really quite unfortunate that during the duration of his sister-in-law?s relationship with the POW that Fellowes was a senior member of the Royal Household. Of course he was also Fergie?s cousin but in her case there wasn?t a close personal relationship as there had been with Diana.
@Curryong, Would you say that Robert Fellowes' loyalty to the Queen was expected because how long had he been her secretary before Lady Diana wed Prince Charles?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on May 09, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
@Curryong, Would you say that Robert Fellowes' loyalty to the Queen was expected because how long had he been her secretary before Lady Diana wed Prince Charles?
Was expected by whom? The Queen? I?d say that she expects loyalty from her staff no matter how long they have been working for her. Of course she, and Diana and Jane and the rest of the Spencers seem to have recognised that, although it was personally difficult for Robert Fellowes he was the sort of man who would always carry out his duty, whatever the cost. And there?s no doubt that it was difficult for him. He?d known Diana all her life (and Fergie as well.)
However, it has to be remembered that the Queen?s (Assistant) Private Secretary does not interfere with the marital arrangements or state of the marriage of any of the Queen?s relatives. Victoria did and her Private Secretaries early in Berties? marriage (for instance) had to convey instructions on how to conduct himself quite a lot throughout his early twenties when he was married to Alexandra.
This Queen does not however. As we know, she is inclined to ?ostrich? until things get to a point where they can?t be ignored. And although he probably knew privately about all the rows and difficulties in the Wales?s marriage, Fellowes was only the Assistant Private Secretary to the Queen for the majority of Diana?s married life. He only took over as head honcho in 1990 and the years subsequent to that was when things really became ugly in Charles and Andrew?s marriages, necessitating two separations and two divorces.
I do think that a particularly difficult period for the Fellowes marriage was probably, apart from actually taking some part in the liaising between the Queen, Diana and the divorce lawyers, the Morton book and the realisation by everyone in the family, RF and Household that Diana had lied about her part in it. There seems to have been some sort of an estrangement between Diana and Jane, for a period at least, in the last years of Diana?s life (also with her mother and brother) and that also must have been very difficult for all involved.
There?s no doubt that the Fellowes marriage has carried some deep scars since those years, though they have remained married, which shows how much Jane suffered as well in her loyalties to her husband, her birth family and of course her sister.
I think Robert F was in a very difficult positon when Sarah and Diana became at odds with the RF.. as Sar was his cousin and Diana his wifes sister. But he did his duty.. and I think he tried to prevent Diana from completely falling out with them....
He tried to advise her about the Tiggy row.. but he knew that Diana lied to him about things such as her involvement in the Morton book, and that was hard to deal with. He knew that she didn't always tell the truth but as his wife's sister, it wasn't easy to admit that she was lying or accuse her of it.
Princess Diana: Brother Charles Spencer on 60th Birthday and Panorama | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-diana-brother-charles-spencer-talks-gravesight-60th-birthday-martin-bashir-panorama-scandal/)
Charles Spencer makes VERY rare comments about Princess Diana's grave weeks before birthday celebration | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210615115318/charles-spencer-talks-princess-diana-grave-rare-comments/)
When Prince Charles dated Lady Diana, did the Royal Family consider the fact that her father John Spencer, Earl Spencer and her mother Frances were divorced?
Well they likely knew all about it considering that the Johnny and Frances had lived at Park House on the Sandringham estate plus they'd likely heard Lady Ruth Fermoy's side of the story. However by 1980-1981, divorce was far more common in the UK and other nations in Western Europe so it wasn't quite as "scandalous" as it had been a decade or so before. After all by then Princess Margaret and Lord Snowdown were divorced as well as QEII's cousin the Earl of Harewood, so it wasn't as if the BRF were completely immune from divorce either.
Margaret, the Queen?s own sister had been divorced for some years by then as well, so it wasn?t as if divorce was unknown in close family circles. However, I don?t think there was any thought that Charles, or any of the Queen?s children for that matter, would ever divorce so it WAS disregarded I think.
In many ways divorce was something that unfortunately happened to others rather a lot. The Queen?s parents? marriage had been happy and successful as was hers, in spite of some bumps and troughs. So divorce wasn?t contemplated in 1980.
Nevertheless, within a few years, Charles and Diana weren?t getting on well at all, Anne?s marriage was getting rocky, and so?.
A place for articles and general chat regarding her family
Im not sure what "considered" meant. But of course they were aware of hte divorce.. However it was increasingly common even among the royal social circle...
Was not divorce disapproved of by the English Anglican Church?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on June 19, 2021, 10:32:25 PM
Was not divorce disapproved of by the English Anglican Church?
yes, but I dont see what that has to say to anything. Lots of people were divorced, by then. Divorce was made much easier in the 1960s and 70s and Britian had a very high divorce rate. Fergie's parents were also divorced and by the time of Diana's marriage, the queen's sister, Margaret had been divorced from her husban d.
Diana?s parents were divorced but both had remarried. The Anglican Church did and does not approve of divorces. However with a divorce rate of around the 50% mark in England now there?s not much the Church can do about it but accept the inevitable.
And divorcees are now allowed to marry in a Church ceremony, provided the priest agrees.
The Archbishop could hardly put the clock back and order Johnnie and Frances to remarry. So long as neither Charles or Diana themselves were not divorced the marriage could go ahead.
I dont see what on earth the Archbishop had ot do with anything. He cannot refuse to marry people whose parents are divorced.
Lady Kitty Spencer prepares for her imminent wedding in Italy.
Princess Diana's niece Kitty Spencer's Italian wedding - guests, dress and more LIVE UPDATES | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210724118218/lady-kitty-spencer-rome-wedding-best-photos/)
Kitty Spencer, Diana's niece and the eldest child of Earl Spencer got married in Rome on Saturday.
Princess Diana's niece Kitty Spencer's Italian wedding - guests, dress and more LIVE UPDATES | HELLO! (https://ca.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210724118218/lady-kitty-spencer-rome-wedding-best-photos/)
Princess Diana?s Niece Kitty Spencer Marries In Lavish Italian Wedding | ETCanada.com (https://etcanada.com/news/804250/princess-dianas-niece-kitty-spencer-marries-in-lavish-italian-wedding/)
The 30 (turns 31 in December) married multi millionaire Michael Lewis. Michael is 61/62 with three kids from his first marriage. He is the chairman of the Foschini Group. He is five years older then her father and Jewish.
This weekend is Tu B'av which is a popular day in Jewish communities to marry. It is said Kitty converted last year.
Lady Kitty Spencer 'taking religious instruction' to convert to Judaism to marry millionaire fiance | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8009497/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-taking-religious-instruction-convert-Judaism-marry-millionaire-fiance.html)
This is where they married in Rome
Villa Aldobrandini - Aldobrandini (https://www.aldobrandini.it/villa-aldobrandini/)
No royal cousins in attendance. But Idris Elba and his wife, the Viscountess Weymouth and Elon Musk's mother were among those who did go.
Is she marrying that guy who's about 30 years older than her?
^^^ He's 62 and she's 30
Princess Diana's niece Lady Kitty Spencer, 30, weds ?80million fashion tycoon Michael Lewis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9820745/Princess-Dianas-niece-Lady-Kitty-Spencer-30-weds-80million-fashion-tycoon-Michael-Lewis.html)
really it is a very large age gap
The couple have been going out together for about two years though. The wedding surrounding look superb and the bride?s gown is absolutely lovely even if it is lace! Michael Lewis is Jewish. I wonder whether Kitty will convert.
A fairly informed Royal watcher on Twitter said she converted last year. Not sure if it's true though.
She has taken instruction in Judaism.. but I still think it is a big age gap...
I recall he publicly made sure to state/said if he needed to leave his billions and fashion industry legacy, the only person he trusts and will do a great job is Lady Kitty Spencer
what does that mean?
Quote from: Amabel2 on July 25, 2021, 01:30:40 PM
She has taken instruction in Judaism.. but I still think it is a big age gap...
Daily Mail articles says five years older than Earl Spencer
Quotewho is five years older than her father Charles Spencer
Princess Diana's Niece Lady Kitty Spencer Is Married ? See Her Dress! | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/lady-kitty-spencer-marries-michael-lewis/)
Charles Spencer didn't walk daughter Kitty down the aisle - this is why | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210725118153/why-charles-spencer-didnt-walk-lady-kitty-spencer-down-aisle/)
Hello article says Earl Spencer had shoulder injury and he can?t give his daughter away and his son replaced for Earl Spencer
Did Kate Middleton and Prince William attend Lady Kitty Spencer's wedding? | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210724118100/prince-william-kate-middleton-did-not-attend-lady-kitty-spencer-wedding/)
Because Cambridge?s schedule very busy and expect rift with Duke of Sussex on tell all book in 2022 but hardly to separate and didn?t well close between the two of brothers in events
Why Meghan Markle and Prince Harry did not attend Lady Kitty Spencer's wedding - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210724118078/why-meghan-markle-prince-harry-didnt-attend-lady-kitty-spencer-wedding/)
Because of between two brothers William and Harry rifts,new brand baby Lilibet last June Harry plans to tell all books in 2022 but didn?t well close hardly to separate between William and Harry but Harry no longer member of royal families but Harry and Meghan lived in California with Archie and newborn Lilibet
Inside Princess Diana's niece Kitty Spencer's pre-wedding party - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210724118198/inside-princess-diana-niece-kitty-spencer-pre-wedding/)
Lady Kitty Spencer, 30, marries Michael Lewis, 62, in Italy? Harry and William not present | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467392/Lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-pictures-dress-michael-lewis-invite-Harry-William-Italy)
Princess Diana's niece marries fianc? in lavish Italian ceremony in Rome - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-niece-marries-fianc-24612607)
Princess Diana?s niece Lady Kitty Spencer, 30, marries billionaire Michael Lewis, 62, in lavish Italian ceremony (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/15685684/princess-diana-niece-kitty-spencer-wedding-age-gap/)
Princess Diana's Niece Lady Kitty Spencer Is Married ? See Her Dress! | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/lady-kitty-spencer-marries-michael-lewis/)
Charles Spencer didn't walk daughter Kitty down the aisle - this is why | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210725118153/why-charles-spencer-didnt-walk-lady-kitty-spencer-down-aisle/)
Hello article says Earl Spencer had shoulder injury and he can?t give his daughter away and his son replaced for Earl Spencer
Did Kate Middleton and Prince William attend Lady Kitty Spencer's wedding? | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210724118100/prince-william-kate-middleton-did-not-attend-lady-kitty-spencer-wedding/)
Because Cambridge?s schedule very busy and expect rift with Duke of Sussex on tell all book in 2022 but hardly to separate and didn?t well close between the two of brothers in events
Why Meghan Markle and Prince Harry did not attend Lady Kitty Spencer's wedding - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210724118078/why-meghan-markle-prince-harry-didnt-attend-lady-kitty-spencer-wedding/)
Because of between two brothers William and Harry rifts,new brand baby Lilibet last June Harry plans to tell all books in 2022 but didn?t well close hardly to separate between William and Harry but Harry no longer member of royal families but Harry and Meghan lived in California with Archie and newborn Lilibet
Inside Princess Diana's niece Kitty Spencer's pre-wedding party - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210724118198/inside-princess-diana-niece-kitty-spencer-pre-wedding/)
Lady Kitty Spencer, 30, marries Michael Lewis, 62, in Italy? Harry and William not present | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467392/Lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-pictures-dress-michael-lewis-invite-Harry-William-Italy)
Princess Diana's niece marries fianc? in lavish Italian ceremony in Rome - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-niece-marries-fianc-24612607)
Princess Diana?s niece Lady Kitty Spencer, 30, marries billionaire Michael Lewis, 62, in lavish Italian ceremony (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/15685684/princess-diana-niece-kitty-spencer-wedding-age-gap/)
Quote from: Amabel2 on July 25, 2021, 02:22:08 PM
what does that mean?
His testament is public, he told everyone and the media, which is great.
:fireworks: Congratulations to the newlyweds!
The society wedding of the year! Kitty Spencer's glamorous guest list revealed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9825409/The-society-wedding-year-Kitty-Spencers-glamorous-guest-list-revealed.html)
Kitty Spencer wedding: Glamorous guests party at Villa Aurelia in Rome | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9826569/Kitty-Spencer-wedding-Glamorous-guests-party-Villa-Aurelia-Rome.html)
I'm surprised that her father Earl Spencer was reportedly not present at the wedding.
^^^ For what it's worth.
Earl Spencer's relationship with daughter Lady Kitty Spencer has 'cooled and become distant' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9826173/Earl-Spencers-relationship-daughter-Lady-Kitty-Spencer-cooled-distant.html)
Probably doesn?t like being years younger than his new son in law! Neither Earl Spencer nor his ex wife Victoria, Lady Kitty?s mother, were present at Kitty?s wedding though both her brothers and her half-brother were there to give her away. It has been noted, though that apparently Earl Spencer complained about a shoulder injury affecting his mobility. That explanation hadn?t really been accepted on SM, especially as his website contained no news of the wedding, just Althorp gardens. Why Victoria wasn?t present doesn?t seem to have been cleared up either.
perhaps neither of them approve of the marriage. Or perhaps they dont think that it is so vital that they be there that they should travel at present?
Quote from: Curryong on July 26, 2021, 02:23:26 PM
Probably doesn?t like being years younger than his new son in law! Neither Earl Spencer nor his ex wife Victoria, Lady Kitty?s mother, were present at Kitty?s wedding though both her brothers and her half-brother were there to give her away. It has been noted, though that apparently Earl Spencer complained about a shoulder injury affecting his mobility. That explanation hadn?t really been accepted on SM, especially as his website contained no news of the wedding, just Althorp gardens. Why Victoria wasn?t present doesn?t seem to have been cleared up either.
Wow. Had not realized that there are reports that her mother was not present either. :(
Quote from: Amabel2 on July 26, 2021, 02:48:39 PM
perhaps neither of them approve of the marriage. Or perhaps they dont think that it is so vital that they be there that they should travel at present?
And yet both Charles Spencer?s sons, Kitty?s brother Louis and half brother Edmund, and Victoria?s son Simon by her second husband, presumably do think it?s ?vital? to support their (half) sister and accompany her down the aisle, a role usually undertaken by the proud father of the bride. And very few women would willingly miss an adult daughter?s wedding.
Maybe they weren?t invited
Beautiful new photos of her gown
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRyad0phm2h/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRyX7muht0b/
A bit surprised she didn't wear a family tiara. But she looks amazing.
Earl Spencer's relationship with daughter Lady Kitty Spencer has 'cooled and become distant' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9826173/Earl-Spencers-relationship-daughter-Lady-Kitty-Spencer-cooled-distant.html)
How Kitty Spencer's wedding dress was inspired by Grace Kelly | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9825997/How-Kitty-Spencers-wedding-dress-inspired-Grace-Kelly.html)
The society wedding of the year! Kitty Spencer's glamorous guest list revealed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9825409/The-society-wedding-year-Kitty-Spencers-glamorous-guest-list-revealed.html)
Lady Kitty Spencer's Dolce and Gabbana lace wedding gown took six months to make | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9825967/Lady-Kitty-Spencers-Dolce-Gabbana-lace-wedding-gown-took-six-months-make.html)
ALISON BOSHOFF: The FIVE dazzling dresses Lady Kitty Spencer wore at her wedding revealed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9824105/ALISON-BOSHOFF-FIVE-dazzling-dresses-Lady-Kitty-Spencer-wore-wedding-revealed.html)
Charles Spencer's daughters break silence after Lady Kitty's wedding | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210726118289/lady-amelia-spencer-lady-eliza-spencer-touching-messages-for-lady-kitty-spencer-wedding/)
Lady Kitty Spencer, 30, marries Michael Lewis, 62, in Italy? Harry and William not present | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467392/Lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-pictures-dress-michael-lewis-invite-Harry-William-Italy)
Lady Kitty Spencer 'most beautiful bride!' - Family react to wedding in emotional posts | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467888/lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-reaction-royal-family-pictures-evg)
Lady Kitty Spencer wedding: A look inside the lavish ceremony & dress | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467740/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-royal-wedding-Look-inside-wedding-dress-ceremony-EVG)
Princess Diana's niece Lady Kitty Spencer wore five dresses at her wedding - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-niece-lady-kitty-24620844)
Princess Diana?s gorgeous Spencer family - model bride and Prince Harry 'lite' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-gorgeous-spencer-family-24617460)
Prince William and Kate Middleton miss Kitty Spencer's wedding after Covid delay - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-kate-middleton-miss-24616858)
Kitty Spencer 'fully and firmly in control' on wedding day, says body language expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kitty-spencer-fully-firmly-control-24616998)
Inside Lady Kitty Spencer's lavish Italian wedding - from her FIVE Dolce & Gabbana dresses to star-studded guest list (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/15694751/lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-dolce-gabbana-dresses-guests/)
Earl Spencer's relationship with daughter Lady Kitty Spencer has 'cooled and become distant' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9826173/Earl-Spencers-relationship-daughter-Lady-Kitty-Spencer-cooled-distant.html)
How Kitty Spencer's wedding dress was inspired by Grace Kelly | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9825997/How-Kitty-Spencers-wedding-dress-inspired-Grace-Kelly.html)
The society wedding of the year! Kitty Spencer's glamorous guest list revealed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9825409/The-society-wedding-year-Kitty-Spencers-glamorous-guest-list-revealed.html)
Lady Kitty Spencer's Dolce and Gabbana lace wedding gown took six months to make | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9825967/Lady-Kitty-Spencers-Dolce-Gabbana-lace-wedding-gown-took-six-months-make.html)
ALISON BOSHOFF: The FIVE dazzling dresses Lady Kitty Spencer wore at her wedding revealed | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9824105/ALISON-BOSHOFF-FIVE-dazzling-dresses-Lady-Kitty-Spencer-wore-wedding-revealed.html)
Charles Spencer's daughters break silence after Lady Kitty's wedding | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210726118289/lady-amelia-spencer-lady-eliza-spencer-touching-messages-for-lady-kitty-spencer-wedding/)
Lady Kitty Spencer, 30, marries Michael Lewis, 62, in Italy? Harry and William not present | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467392/Lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-pictures-dress-michael-lewis-invite-Harry-William-Italy)
Lady Kitty Spencer 'most beautiful bride!' - Family react to wedding in emotional posts | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467888/lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-reaction-royal-family-pictures-evg)
Lady Kitty Spencer wedding: A look inside the lavish ceremony & dress | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1467740/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-royal-wedding-Look-inside-wedding-dress-ceremony-EVG)
Princess Diana's niece Lady Kitty Spencer wore five dresses at her wedding - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-niece-lady-kitty-24620844)
Princess Diana?s gorgeous Spencer family - model bride and Prince Harry 'lite' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-gorgeous-spencer-family-24617460)
Prince William and Kate Middleton miss Kitty Spencer's wedding after Covid delay - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-kate-middleton-miss-24616858)
Kitty Spencer 'fully and firmly in control' on wedding day, says body language expert - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kitty-spencer-fully-firmly-control-24616998)
Inside Lady Kitty Spencer's lavish Italian wedding - from her FIVE Dolce & Gabbana dresses to star-studded guest list (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/15694751/lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-dolce-gabbana-dresses-guests/)
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Charles Spencer didn't walk daughter Kitty down the aisle - this is why | HELLO!
One too many fat and thick quips? :shrug:
Who is NOT inspired by Grace Kelly?! :lol:
62 and 30? Money/Status is possible motive. But whatever. :partaay:
Five dresses? What is this the oscars? Excessive and ostentatious. :lol:
Why Lady Kitty did not wear Princess Diana's Spencer Tiara
Lady Kitty Spencer didn't wear Princess Diana's wedding tiara - here's why | HELLO! (http://www-origin.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210725118147/lady-kitty-spencer-didnt-wear-princess-diana-spencer-tiara-wedding)
According to a couple of articles I?ve read over the last few days Lady Kitty is wealthy herself with a 75 million dollar fortune while her husband, who keeps being described in the media as ?a billionaire?, is worth about 100 million. So not much difference.
It may be that besides being in love Michael Lewis represents security to her. Kitty and her siblings grew up with a very wealthy and prestigious background but their childhood and youth was darkened by their father?s infidelities and their mother?s addictions.
He has several brands (clothing apparel, accessories, etc.) under a group umbrella (Foschini Group) worth 34.1 billion. One is subscribed to Jewish Seeking Alpha, a website for investments, wall street and the sort. My subscription is corporate not mine. But anyway, he is Jewish so it makes sense that his info is there.
That doesn?t mean that he himself is a billionaire.
He's the owner.
Quote from: wannable on July 26, 2021, 11:57:26 PM
He has several brands (clothing apparel, accessories, etc.) under a group umbrella (Foschini Group) worth 34.1 billion. One is subscribed to Jewish Seeking Alpha, a website for investments, wall street and the sort. My subscription is corporate not mine. But anyway, he is Jewish so it makes sense that his info is there.
Michael Lewis is a billionaire in SA Rand money not in British pounds or US dollars.
Princess Diana?s 29?year old niece is marrying the 60-year old chairperson of Foschini - here?s what you need to know about Michael Lewis? career (https://www.businessinsider.co.za/princess-diana-niece-kitty-spencer-engaged-foschini-chairperson-michael-lewis-2020-1)
He's double nationality SA and Brit. The assets of the 3000 stores are divided in GBP and SA Rand. His company is listed in the UK. I can't share info from Seeking Alpha, it's members only.
He's not poor :happy15:
Quote from: wannable on July 27, 2021, 12:39:34 AM
He's double nationality SA and Brit. The assets of the 3000 stores are divided in GBP and SA Rand. His company is listed in the UK. I can't share info from Seeking Alpha, it's members only.
He's not poor :happy15:
No, of course he isn?t poor by any means. Neither is Lady Kitty. However SA Rands are not of the same value as pounds sterling or US dollars. If Lewis is estimated at around 100 million dollars or pounds, which is what I read previously, that is still a considerable fortune.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on July 26, 2021, 11:45:28 PM
Why Lady Kitty did not wear Princess Diana's Spencer Tiara
Lady Kitty Spencer didn't wear Princess Diana's wedding tiara - here's why | HELLO! (http://www-origin.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210725118147/lady-kitty-spencer-didnt-wear-princess-diana-spencer-tiara-wedding)
Leave it to Hello to make an article when they admit they have no answer. Their answer
QuotePerhaps Kitty's decision to leave the family heirloom out of her bridal look was to prevent any heartache around Diana's passing and keep the tiara as a private tribute to her aunt. She may have worn some jewellery from the Spencer collection as a sentimental touch, too.
There is no reason to think Kitty was trying to honor her Aunt. its the SPENCER tiara. It has been worn since her aunt wore it.
Her cousin Celia wore it in 2018
Who is Celia McCorquodale ? Prince Harry's cousin who wore Diana's tiara as she married | Metro News (https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/18/celia-mccorquodale-prince-harrys-cousin-married-weekend-wearing-dianas-spencer-tiara-7639829/)
Her cousin Emily wore a different unknown family tiara to her wedding.
I am venturing to guess they perhaps didn't want to ship a precious tiara to Italy for the wedding. It wouldn't be the first tiara lost in transport. If she for some reason didn't want to wear the Diana Spencer tiara, there is at least 2 other family tiaras to choose from.
Her sister may be marrying at Althorpe (spoken of it) we will have to see if she has a tiara on. And if she wears it like Celia did.
Quote from: TudorQueen on July 27, 2021, 05:00:50 AM
Leave it to Hello to make an article when they admit they have no answer. Their answer
There is no reason to think Kitty was trying to honor her Aunt. its the SPENCER tiara. It has been worn since her aunt wore it.
Her cousin Celia wore it in 2018
Who is Celia McCorquodale ? Prince Harry's cousin who wore Diana's tiara as she married | Metro News (https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/18/celia-mccorquodale-prince-harrys-cousin-married-weekend-wearing-dianas-spencer-tiara-7639829/)
Her cousin Emily wore a different unknown family tiara to her wedding.
I am venturing to guess they perhaps didn't want to ship a precious tiara to Italy for the wedding. It wouldn't be the first tiara lost in transport. If she for some reason didn't want to wear the Diana Spencer tiara, there is at least 2 other family tiaras to choose from.
Her sister may be marrying at Althorpe (spoken of it) we will have to see if she has a tiara on. And if she wears it like Celia did.
I think you?re correct about a reluctance to ship a valuable antique tiara to Italy. The insurance premium for taking it out of the country (UK) would be horrendous. And if it?s true that coolness has developed between Kitty and her father (why since his last marriage I wonder, is there a personality clash between her and her stepmother?) he might not have been amenable to lending it to her anyway. I hope to see another wedding at Althorp involving the famed tiara though and with all the family there.
Lady Kitty Spencer confirms her mother Victoria Aitken was at the wedding | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9829927/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-confirms-mother-Victoria-Aitken-wedding.html)
That explains her dad not attend but her mom attended but Kitty not invited her two stepmother for reasons
Kitty Spencer: See Her Stunning Wedding Weekend | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-weekend-photos-gown/)
Remind of late Diana,Princess of Wales in 1981 Diana?s wedding training 25 feet and her niece?s wedding training is not know
Princess Diana's wedding dress had major hidden links to Lady Kitty Spencer's | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210727118375/princess-dianas-wedding-dress-compared-to-niece-lady-kitty-spencer/)
Diana,Princess of Wales?s wedding gowns 25 feet but Kitty?s training not know kept secret details underwraps and won?t release details about this wedding gowns
Lady Kitty Spencer confirms her mother Victoria Aitken was at the wedding | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9829927/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-confirms-mother-Victoria-Aitken-wedding.html)
That explains her dad not attend but her mom attended but Kitty not invited her two stepmother for reasons
Kitty Spencer: See Her Stunning Wedding Weekend | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/lady-kitty-spencer-wedding-weekend-photos-gown/)
Remind of late Diana,Princess of Wales in 1981 Diana?s wedding training 25 feet and her niece?s wedding training is not know
Princess Diana's wedding dress had major hidden links to Lady Kitty Spencer's | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20210727118375/princess-dianas-wedding-dress-compared-to-niece-lady-kitty-spencer/)
Diana,Princess of Wales?s wedding gowns 25 feet but Kitty?s training not know kept secret details underwraps and won?t release details about this wedding gowns
Would it have been nice if Lady Kitty's sister Lady Charlotte would have been a flower girl? :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower:
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on July 27, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
Would it have been nice if Lady Kitty's sister Lady Charlotte would have been a flower girl? :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower:
Probably. However, if it?s true that there?s been a coldness between Kitty and her father since he married his third wife, Charlotte?s mother, I hardly think Countess Spencer would be hurrying over to Rome to supervise her daughter in Kitty?s wedding party. Especially with Covid raging in both the UK and in Italy.
It would have been nice if he showed up, even if their relationship has been cooler. Even if he did not walk her down the aisle he could have been there with her. It understandable if Karen wouldn't want to send Charlotte during a pandemic, but Charles could have gone.
If he didn't or she didn't want to give him the honor of giving her away she could have done as Alexandra Knatchbull did. Alexandra invited her estranged father but Prince Charles gave her away.
Well anyways it was nice to see her escorted by 2 of her brothers down the aisle. They both looked dashing in their suit :flower3:
Yes I agree. Maybe there was an enormous blow-up between them quite recently? I say that because Charles didn?t just not turn up but he very pointedly discussed Althorp gardens and the moon on his SM platform. He could have disarmed the British Press, who will now probably be sniffing around interviewing friends etc., with just a cheery note on his IG wishing her luck on her big day, ?sorry I can?t be there? dah de dah. Instead there?s nothing. Good that his son doesn?t feel the same way.
The Spencers are known as a quarrelsome family.. having said that I can understand if Charles S is not happy with his daughter marrying this much older man... Perhaps there was a last ditch effort to persuade her to give up the marriage...and when it failed he was not going to the wedding.
Kitty Spencer's boozy hen party tour in Florence! | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9834321/Kitty-Spencers-boozy-hen-party-tour-Florence.html)
What do you think of Lady Kitty wearing the Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara on her wedding day?
Saturday Sparkler: The Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara (http://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2014/09/saturday-sparkler-spencer-honeysuckle.html)
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on July 28, 2021, 10:54:58 PM
What do you think of Lady Kitty wearing the Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara on her wedding day?
Saturday Sparkler: The Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara (http://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2014/09/saturday-sparkler-spencer-honeysuckle.html)
It?s a pretty tiara but Kitty married in Italy, not at Althorp or anywhere else in England. The insurance costs for transporting historic tiaras or any expensive family jewellery abroad for a family occasion would be prohibitive. Kitty chose instead to feature the fashion label that is her bread and butter in gowns and accessories in glossy mags and newspapers over several days, giving them (and herself) tons of great publicity. She?s still doing it for her honeymoon. Her choice.
Is the question meant to be about Amelia? Since Kitty has been married already, tiara choices seems moot now.
I don't see Amelia wearing it even if she marries at Althorpe or close to home. The yellow gold and the shape of the tiara don't seem idea for a wedding tiara. I don't believe it has been won since Diana's grandmother either.
Diana, Jane, Sarah, Victoria and Celia all wore the 'famous' Spencer tiara on their wedding. And unlike Celia, Amelia is the daughter of the earl (meant to be worn by the wife or daughter of the earl).
Emily wore a different tiara all together but never seen before so we don't know who it belongs to/came from. Ruth Spencer wore her family one.
I have no issue with Kitty selling her photos. They would have been in magazines one way or another (her friends and family social media would have been used). Might as well make money from it. I actually thin she likely would have woren the same dresses and sold the photos even if she was married at Althorpe.
I love some of her other dresses.
Lady Kitty Spencer wears 5 Dolce & Gabbana gowns at her wedding | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/gallery/lady-kitty-spencer-every-wedding-party-dress)
Fourth in the medal tally with eight golds at present. So proud of our Aussie athletes!
She sold her photos? I know that she's a model but tacky. Surely she doesn't need to sell her wedding photos if she and her husband are so rich
Quote from: Amabel2 on July 29, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
She sold her photos? I know that she's a model but tacky. Surely she doesn't need to sell her wedding photos if she and her husband are so rich
I was going off what Curryong said about choosing to go with the glossy magazines instead of a traditional wedding.
The articles and photos though all seem to have been taken from her social media or that of the design house who did the dresses. Which is pretty standard. I don't see any evidence of any exclusive photos or information from the bride so I take back judgement on selling photos.
But even rich people sell photos. If you are a model, its your job. The fashion industry is where most of both their money comes from.
I don?t think it?s as crass and direct as ?selling her photos to a magazine?. Kitty has been a model and a brand ambassador for Dolce and Gabbana fashion label for years. That?s the basis of her 75 million dollar fortune. She obviously agreed to wear their beautiful gowns during her wedding and beginning of her honeymoon. I think that D+G may well have come to some sort of commercial arrangement over the photos with Hello. After all it?s a win-win for the magazine, the label and Kitty herself. She?s young, beautiful, there?s the Diana connection to encourage buyers to purchase the mag and there?s great fashion. The British newspapers only went for it because of the Diana and Spencer connection. They weren?t part of any agreement if there was one.
well if she did sell them, its vulgar...
Quote from: Curryong on July 29, 2021, 09:11:35 AM
I don?t think it?s as crass and direct as ?selling her photos to a magazine?. Kitty has been a model and a brand ambassador for Dolce and Gabbana fashion label for years. That?s the basis of her 75 million dollar fortune. She obviously agreed to wear their beautiful gowns during her wedding and beginning of her honeymoon. I think that D+G may well have come to some sort of commercial arrangement over the photos with Hello. After all it?s a win-win for the magazine, the label and Kitty herself. She?s young, beautiful, there?s the Diana connection to encourage buyers to purchase the mag and there?s great fashion. The British newspapers only went for it because of the Diana and Spencer connection. They weren?t part of any agreement if there was one.
I haven't seen any 'exclusive photos' offered to Hello. Have I missed some?
Hello would have only come to a commercial arrangement if they were offered some inside photos. Everything they have published have been taken from the instagram pages of DG an Kitty. Nothing exclusive, the same we see in Tattler and so on. Magazines only pay out money on a deal if they get some kind of exclusive photos. People aren't going to buy a magazine for photos that are all over the internet for free.
D&G on and the bride benefited no doubt. They got amazing publicity for their house, and she got some stunning gowns for her wedding.
The photographer who took the photos is not linked to Hello.
Lady Kitty Spencer and Michael Lewis arrive for their honeymoon on the Amalfi Coast | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9835375/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-Michael-Lewis-arrive-honeymoon-Amalfi-Coast.html)
I?ve just read elsewhere that Kitty is also a brand ambassador for Buvlgari jewellery so that might have been an extra reason for not wearing any Spencer jewellery. She wore that brand with her D+G gowns and dresses on her wedding day and other days.
Newlywed Kitty Spencer says brothers walking her down aisle was 'proudest moment of her life' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9840587/Newlywed-Kitty-Spencer-says-brothers-walking-aisle-proudest-moment-life.html)
The seamstresses work on Lady Kitty's dresses
Kitty Spencer Wedding Dresses (1/2) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1swFbkdPnS4)
A very grand wedding with the best designer dresses and the most elegant wedding dress. I wish her much happiness with her new husband.
Charles Spencer has received an apology from The Times regarding an article in that newspaper that was written by journalist Victoria Peckham. The article was untruthful according to the Earl, as it stated ?once again? (as he put it) that he had deprived his sister Diana of accommodation on his estate when asked. On his Twitter Page he stated that this story was recurring in various publications over the years.
https://mobile.twitter.com/cspencer1508
The Times unreservedly apologised and stated that it was wrong.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7dQRf8XEAAhxR8?format=jpg&name=large
When the divorce was finalized, Diana's legal team made sure she got to continue living at Kensington Palace
Its nothing to do wiht her wanting a country cottage... and I would imagine that the RF's team thought it was cheaper and more sensible to let her stay in KP....
https://honey.nine.com.au/royals/princess-diana-brother-charles-spencer-legal-win-lie-over-home/459e2439-7176-4c8b-b36e-75e0b2be70c7
Charles Spencer replied to an enquirer on his Twitter page about the amount of damages The Times had offered that they were ?haggling, as usual. ?No real shame?.
This isn?t the first time the Earl has sued over this story of his refusing Diana a house on the estate for country breaks (because the presence of security, the public and the media snooping around would be too much is the usual reason given by the Press.) He did refuse his sister the Garden Cottage on the Althorp estate as a staff member was living there, court documents showed, but offered several others, including the family?s original manor house.
Quote from: Curryong on August 05, 2021, 10:15:22 PM
https://honey.nine.com.au/royals/princess-diana-brother-charles-spencer-legal-win-lie-over-home/459e2439-7176-4c8b-b36e-75e0b2be70c7
This isn?t the first time the Earl has sued over this story of his refusing Diana a house on the estate for country breaks (because the presence of security, the public and the media snooping around would be too much is the usual reason given by the Press.) He did refuse his sister the Garden Cottage on the Althorp estate as a staff member was living there, court documents showed, but offered several others, including the family?s original manor house.
Yes I know but many people believe that he refused to let her live on the estatte
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 06, 2021, 06:39:22 AM
Yes I know but many people believe that he refused to let her live on the estatte
Well, many people believe that the royal family are shape-shifters, aliens are among us and that Elvis still lives. (One poll had 76% of Americans believing the last in the 1990s.) People believe Jeffrey Epstein was murdered. That doesn?t mean any of it is true!
Its not quite the same..... And yes a lot of people beleive that Diana was murdered...
Earl Spencer will continue to sue newspapers, magazines and biographers who repeat the stories that he refused Diana a home then, and after he?s proved in Court that he did offer her several homes, as in this case, he will gain a great deal more money in damages. The Times has presumably learned it?s lesson and won?t be repeating the lie in the future.
well yes, I think he's right to do so. These false stories can cause harm to real people....
He has every right to. Their continued need to spread lies about him needs to stop. They are just looking for drama and stories.
For anyone who isn't familiar with it, this is the home (well one of them) he offered. Wormleighton Manor.
Wormleighton Manor - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormleighton_Manor)
The actual manor was burned by royalists in the civil war, why the family seat moved to Althorpe. All that remains is a gate house and tower cottage (the home was once larger then Althorpe). Definitely still would have made a safe, and nice home for Diana if she chose to take it.
Wormleighton Manor - HouseHistree (https://househistree.com/houses/wormleighton-manor)
Here is a description of what is currently there.
Parishes: Wormleighton | British History Online (https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol5/pp218-224)
Maybe if the papers get sued enough, they will finally realize its not worth the financial loss to print this junk.
If Louis, Viscount Althorp would marry a princess who was a younger daughter of a monarch, would Louis' son necessarily be a prince?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 16, 2021, 11:34:38 PM
If Louis, Viscount Althorp would marry a princess who was a younger daughter of a monarch, would Louis' son necessarily be a prince?
No, she would remain a Princess and a Viscountess, but the son would be the Hon. (first name) Spencer. Then when his father becomes Earl Spencer in his turn the son will become Viscount Althorp.
Courtesy Titles - Debrett's (https://www.debretts.com/expertise/essential-guide-to-the-peerage/courtesy-titles/)
All women in England take the title and status of their husbands (if they wish to.) Princesses, unless they marry Princes, do not endow their children with their own titles, under the English system.
Lady Kitty Spencer enjoys lunch at French cafe after jetting from Wiltshire to attend wedding (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9925195/amp/Lady-Kitty-Spencer-enjoys-lunch-French-cafe-jetting-Wiltshire-attend-wedding.html?__twitter_impression=true)
Louis and his future brother-in-law Greg Mallet in the South of France
Life's a beach for Earl Spencer?s girl says SEBASTIAN SHAKESPEARE | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3185529)
Louis, Viscount Althorp and his future brother-in-law Greg Mallett in the South of France
Life's a beach for Earl Spencer?s girl says SEBASTIAN SHAKESPEARE | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3185529)
Princess Diana's twin nieces Lady Amelia and Eliza Spencer attend Tatler's Little Black Book party | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10167235/Princess-Dianas-twin-nieces-Lady-Amelia-Eliza-Spencer-attend-Tatlers-Little-Black-Book-party.html)
Lady Jane Fellowes arriving for a Ball at Windsor Castle to celebrate the Royal Golden Wedding Anniversary.
Lady Jane Fellowes Arriving For A Ball At Windsor Castle To Celebrate... News Photo - Getty Images (http://www.gettyimages.com/license/52115346)
Earl Spencer pays tribute to his late father John on the 30th anniversary of his death in 1992.
Earl Spencer marks the 30th anniversary of his and Princess Diana's father death | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10665037/Earl-Spencer-marks-30th-anniversary-Princess-Dianas-father-death.html)
QuoteCharles Spencer, 57, who resides at the family seat, Althorp, in West Northamptonshire, marked 30 years since the death of his father John Spencer.
Sharing the milestone on Instagram, Princess Diana's brother showed a picture of his father as a young man in uniform, accompanied by a picture which was taken at a later time in his life.
John Spencer died in 1992 aged 68 of a heart attack. Throughout his life, he occupied several distinguished roles, including equerry to King George VI and later Her Majesty the Queen.
One of John Spencer's happiest days may have been when he escorted his daughter Lady Diana down the aisle at St. Paul Cathedral on her wedding day.
Can this be true or a Sotheby's mistake, the tiara belongs and passes down from Earl to Earl Spencer?!
Kate Middleton's daughter Princess Charlotte set to inherit Princess Diana's special tiara | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220526141298/princess-diana-spencer-tiara-inherited-princess-charlotte-sothebys-claims/?utm_medium=social_media&campaign=hellouk&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1653573152)
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Sotheby's auction house, who are displaying the tiara in their Power & Image: Royal & Aristocratic Tiaras exhibition in London this week, the tiara is now set to be inherited by Princess Charlotte.
The catalogue note reads: "Having been worn by Princess Diana at her wedding, the Spencer Tiara is one of the most famous diadems in modern history. The tiara is reported to have been created originally in 1767 for Viscountess Montagu and remodelled by Garrard in the 1930s: the central motif was purportedly gifted by Lady Sarah Spencer to Viscountess Althorp, the grandmother of Princess Diana, in 1919, after which further motifs were added, resulting in the design we see today.
"In the mid-1970s, John Spencer, the 8th Earl Spencer, inherited the tiara. It was subsequently worn by all three of his daughters at their wedding: Lady Jane in 1978; Lady Sarah in 1980; and finally Lady Diana the following year, in 1981. The tiara was most recently worn by Celia McCorquodale - niece of the 10th Earl Spencer Charles - at her wedding in the Spring of 2018. The Spencer Tiara is now set to be inherited by Princess Charlotte."
I really doubt that the tiara is going to be inherited by Princess Charlotte who will have a vault full of tiaras to use in the future. If anything I believe it would stay with the Spencer family line.
John Spencer is listed as 8th Earl Spencer. His son Charles is listed as 10th Earl Spencer. Charles is 9th Earl Spencer.
It?s just sloppy and careless speculation by whoever assembled the exhibition catalogue IMO. I think the tiara will stay with the Spencers and may well be next used at their weddings by one or both of Charles Spencer?s adult twin daughters. He also has a younger daughter, I believe. There?s no need for Charlotte to have it. She is Diana?s granddaughter not a daughter.
If Diana had married one of the country gentry and had a daughter then maybe it could have been borrowed for her wedding and theirs. But she didn?t. Charlotte may very well go into private life as an adult and if at any time she needs a tiara she can be offered one from the vaults. Even Anne didn?t have many occasions to wear the one she was given as a young woman and things have certainly moved on in informality in the last forty years.
Behind the scenes look at Lady Kitty Spencer's romantic Rome wedding: Princess Diana's niece, 31, shares video of the courtyard ceremony and lavish reception to mark a year married to millionaire Michael Lewis, 63.
First look inside Lady Kitty Spencer's romantic Rome wedding | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11045569/First-look-inside-Lady-Kitty-Spencers-romantic-Rome-wedding.html)
Earl Spencer pays tribute to Princess Diana with poignant unseen photo | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/article/charles-earl-spencer-pays-tribute-to-sister-princess-diana-with-poignant-unseen-photo)
QuoteThe poignant image, featuring the young Viscount, seated with his father Earl Spencer, and his sister, the late Diana, Princess of Wales, was taken at a party at the Spencer family seat, Althorp, in the summer of 1989, to celebrate their father's 65th birthday earlier that year.
A lovely family photo of the current Earl taken with the late Johnny, Earl Spencer and Diana, Princess of Wales.
In this interview, Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer explains Althoirp House.
A House & A Host: Althorp with Earl Spencer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4XYHwP6H28)
Earl Spencer (Charles-9th Earl Spencer) shared a photograph of his paternal grandfather Albert (7th Earl Spencer) as a child. Those who viewed the photo on Twitter, noted a resemblance to young Albert in 1902 to his great-grandson the Prince of Wales.
Princess Diana's brother Charles Spencer shares a sweet photo of his grandfather | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11640911/Princess-Dianas-brother-Charles-Spencer-shares-sweet-photo-grandfather.html)
QuotePrincess Diana's brother Earl Spencer has unveiled a rare image of their grandfather - and fans have gone wild for the family resemblance to Prince William.
Charles Spencer, 58, who lives at Althorp House in Northamptonshire, took to Twitter last week to reveal a photograph of his grandfather, Albert, his great-aunt Lavinia and his great-uncle Cecil at a fancy dress party in 1902.
Royal fans have since pointed out the likeness between Charles' grandfather and his nephew Prince William, 40.
One person wrote on Twitter: 'Your grandfather, Prince William and Prince George look a lot alike! A really charming photo.'
Who were the people who gave the fancy dress party in 1902? :mask3: :mask3:
Lady Amelia kicks off wedding celebrations with glamorous party- but Earl Spencer is absent | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11881605/Lady-Amelia-kicks-wedding-celebrations-glamorous-party-Earl-Spencer-absent.html)
It seems that Charles Spencer is estranged with the twins.
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I think Earl Spencer is estranged from all three daughters of his first marriage. Their half-brother walked Kitty down the aisle, an odd procedure where a father is still alive as well as full brother Louis, who seems to have kept out of things. I thought that the family was fractured before Kitty?s wedding. Charles Spencer never uttered one word of joy or congratulations when either of his daughters got engaged.
Not at all unknown in the Spencer family, they are well known for always being at odds with each other
It will be interesting to see if Lady Amelia will wear the Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara on her wedding day.
Quote from: wannable on March 21, 2023, 01:58:34 PM
It seems that Charles Spencer is estranged with the twins.
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It's sad but considering the history between Charles and his first wife Victoria, I'm not surprised.
Lady Amelia's Wedding welcome party photographs
Princess Diana's Niece Amelia Spencer Posts Photo with Future Husband Ahead of Wedding - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5e47TRvNSs)
No Earl Spencer to be seen at his daughter Amelia's wedding
why was there no Earl Spencer to be seen at his daughter Amelia's wedding to Greg Mallet? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvljnOJgQY)
Its sad news that the Earl is estranged from his children. He has so many children. I don't think he had a good role model in his father.
Exclusive: Inside Lady Amelia Spencer and Greg Mallett?s sunset wedding - first pictures | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20230326167584/lady-amelia-spencer-greg-mallett-south-africa-wedding-first-pictures-world-exclusive/)
Having seen the short videdo on Greg and Lady Amelia's wedding I now know that Amelia did not wear the Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on March 26, 2023, 08:33:32 PM
Having seen the short videdo on Greg and Lady Amelia's wedding I now know that Amelia did not wear the Spencer Honeysuckle Tiara.
Well, she would have had to ask her father to loan it for the wedding and obviously she didn?t as they are seemingly estranged. Lady Kitty didn?t wear a family tiara either, nor did her father attend her wedding. It didn?t help that both weddings were held abroad, one in Italy, this one in South Africa. The insurance costs involved in transporting heirloom tiaras overseas would have been horrendous.
If either party had been speaking to each other at the time then the weddings might have been held in England, but they obviously weren?t.
At first, when Kitty pronounced herself in love and became engaged I thought Charles Spencer?s silence on the subject might have been due to disapproval of the age gap. Michael Lewis is older than his father in law. However, it obviously wasn?t as he didn?t turn up to the wedding in South Africa either. And Greg Mallet is thirty, the same age as Amelia. Charles has obviously got a muck on the pluck about something, and I wouldn?t be surprised if it goes back to the closeness of the children of his first marriage to their mother Victoria, and the son of her second marriage, Samuel. It will be interesting to see what happens when his son and heir Louis marries, the son of his marriage to Victoria. If Charles doesn?t attend that wedding either, then obvious inferences can be drawn.
However, as far as Louis is concerned, there is this from his father in 2022.
Charles Spencer on Instagram: "My son, Louis, graduated today from @artsedlondon with a First-class degree. He was selected as his year?s (https://www.instagram.com/p/CiLBykQK7xR/?img_index=1)
Congratulations to the newlyweds! :flower3:
Charles Spencer
@cspencer1508
Christmas at @AlthorpHouse - the tree in the Saloon today, looking festive.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13179175/Princess-Dianas-niece-Kitty-Spencer-33-reveals-shes-welcomed-child-husband-Michael-Lewis-65.html
Kitty Spencer wanted kept private on her child's gender and birth date but cant share in public out of respect I understand same Pippa and James Middleton's children on child's private gender and birth details but cant share details but I didn't know she pregnant
Kitty has had a little girl. Apparently one of Kitty's sisters spoke about her 'little niece' on SM.
Congratulations to Kitty and Michael on the birth of their daughter!
Two pieces of news about the Spencers today. Kitty's baby girl and some disturbing news about Earl Spencer being abused when he was at boarding school.