The Coronation Part 3

Curryong · May 06, 2023, 08:58:47 PM

I was at two quite large gatherings this week and to be honest, nobody brought it up in conversation on either occasion. That said, people probably watched a bit of it on TV if not the whole thing. However my husband and son opted to watch the footie (AFL) and I don?t think they?re alone.I don?t know what the TV ratings here were for the Coronation. It?s still early morning. The figures might be published today, and if they are I?ll give them.

HistoryGirl2 · May 06, 2023, 10:10:22 PM

Thank you. I?d be interested in seeing the numbers, but also a more in depth look at how people actually felt about it. I wonder if others felt that it was just okay.

The coronation made me feel wistful, more than anything else. It felt a bit dour and underwhelming. I?m probably being too harsh, but even William looked over it at certain points. It made me kind of wish that he and Harry were still on good terms. Harry was always good for a cheeky nudge to make William smile.

That?s what I felt like Diana would bring to the day. I understand it?s a solemn event, but come on, it?s a celebration! I kept thinking that she would be able to do something fun and cute that would lighten things up and feel natural at the same time.

And also, no tiaras? If you can?t wear a tiara to a coronation, why even bother having them at all?

TLLK · May 06, 2023, 10:14:09 PM

The DM had the crowd estimated at 2 million people in attendance today.

Curryong · May 06, 2023, 10:28:53 PM

I?d say from overall observations from neighbours, friends etc, that there?s just a quiet apathy about the whole thing. Nobody terribly excited about the prospect on the run up to it or thinking it was going to be horrible either. A few people spoke on radio about the probable expense of it to the UK. The Queen was admired here, Charles not so much.

Of course for Australians the ceremony was last night. I didn?t start watching it until about 7:30 pm and I switched off my computer at about ten. Didn?t bother to watch the balcony scenes. And it?s now only about 8:20 am on Sunday morning. We are soon to have breakfast.

Nobody from the UK or here has rung me about it yet, as they would I think if they were terribly excited or overwhelmed. And, as I said, nobody I know spoke about it in the run up to the ceremony. I did phone a couple of relatives from Norfolk (England) in their 60s about a month ago and was gobsmacked when they both separately said Charles should pay for it himself! And they are quite fond of the RF and will probably watch it on TV. No special food or crocheted crowns though!

Curryong · May 06, 2023, 10:36:39 PM

Quote from: TLLK on May 06, 2023, 10:14:09 PM
The DM had the crowd estimated at 2 million people in attendance today.

It?s all estimates though, isn?t it and by a newspaper that?s been beating the drum about this Coronation for weeks. And to me there seemed to be quite sparse spaces, though admittedly the weather was terrible and the police apparently wouldn?t allow the huge masses in certain streets as there had been in 1953. People states that three million came out then.

Queen Elizabeth II's Coronation: All the Details

sara8150 · May 06, 2023, 11:45:33 PM

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65512391

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In pictures: Extraordinary photos from the King?s coronation - BBC News

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King and Queen join family on Buckingham Palace balcony for scaled-back flypast | UK News | Sky News

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Some of the best pictures from spectacular coronation day | UK News | Sky News

How the King's coronation was marked in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, from protests to big screens | UK News | Sky News

King's coronation: Eyewitness account from inside Westminster Abbey | UK News | Sky News

King's coronation: Protesters boo as monarch is crowned with more than 50 arrested | UK News | Sky News

Coronation of King Charles is a visual feast veiled in the mists of the past | King Charles coronation | The Guardian

?Not my king,? they chanted. Then the police took their megaphones | King Charles coronation | The Guardian

It was ludicrous but also magnificent: the coronation stirred every emotion | King Charles coronation | The Guardian

The coronation on TV: latest instalment of UK?s longest-running costume drama is a bit of a damp squib | King Charles coronation | The Guardian

Nothing but drizzle was permitted to rain on this parade. So why did Charles look so glum? | Stephen Bates | The Guardian

King Charles and Camilla's crowning glory as pair beam side by side | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince George's adorable nickname for Kate as Wales's trailed King's Coronation carriage | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

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Sergeant behind ?faultless? Coronation army drill | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

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The Prince of Wales chooses significant uniform to attend the Coronation ? Royal Central

An unexpected star at the Coronation ? how the Lord President of the Council made her mark on history ? Royal Central

The most solemn moment of the Coronation and soldiers bow their heads for the Anointing ? Royal Central

A moving moment as King Charles begins his Coronation by promising to serve ? Royal Central

The Prince of Wales make the Homage of the Royal Blood to the newly crowned King Charles III ? Royal Central

wannable · May 07, 2023, 11:36:51 AM

The Telegraph
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👑 Preparations have begun for today's #CoronationBigLunch.

Some 67,000 Coronation Big Lunches are being held across Britain.

^ The number is taken from burough/council permission.

The royals will be spread out at several #CoroationBigLunch.

This is the double BigLunch communities since W&C wedding.

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✍️ "Anyone in doubt of the monarchy's unifying reach should look at the crowds that thronged around Buckingham Palace in the service's aftermath"

wannable · May 07, 2023, 12:09:22 PM

Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 06, 2023, 10:10:22 PM
Thank you. I?d be interested in seeing the numbers, but also a more in depth look at how people actually felt about it. I wonder if others felt that it was just okay.

The coronation made me feel wistful, more than anything else. It felt a bit dour and underwhelming. I?m probably being too harsh, but even William looked over it at certain points. It made me kind of wish that he and Harry were still on good terms. Harry was always good for a cheeky nudge to make William smile.

That?s what I felt like Diana would bring to the day. I understand it?s a solemn event, but come on, it?s a celebration! I kept thinking that she would be able to do something fun and cute that would lighten things up and feel natural at the same time.

And also, no tiaras? If you can?t wear a tiara to a coronation, why even bother having them at all?

I for one can tell straight away that King Charles (and coronation member organizer William) have the ''pulse'' of the country. Yes to champion community plebs invited, yes to whatever category royal medal winners (balot), No to peers that 'are retired since ages ago' , yes to the five peers that 'are still working'. They kept some lavish jewels, like the gold carriage, no to tiaras, yes to some personal jewels noted on the Queen and Princess of Wales. Two old celebs of the King's choice, no to the per usual dozen or so of celebs. It's perfect. I can see why today after reading analytical journos rather than reporters, this King's choices have made the non 1% let's say with the monarchy. The polls would have flopped unfavorably IF he had gone 1950s or similar.

HistoryGirl2 · May 07, 2023, 12:39:15 PM

^And it?s true, I can?t speak for the countries of the Commonwealth. It?s entirely possible that the overwhelming majority did love the coronation. I just know that I personally felt it was drab and uninspiring. Only time will tell what Commonwealth countries feel about the monarch.

wannable · May 07, 2023, 12:49:51 PM

He needs to maintain, he has a good start (spreading money profits, and will do it as I understand yearly Souce: watch or read ''highlights'' from TV channels, interviews, 350 character written in social media, it's not hard to seek highlights today with technology rather than having to read or view 1 hour interviews or lengthy articles) with the symbiosis with his government and the people. The commonwealth has benefits from social, cultural and educational firstly, enter foreign and trade (i.e. students applying for a Visa and University entry in the UK are far easier accepted than a non commonwealth country), hence why even turning republic but staying in the commonwealth. Same goes to new countries that applied and have been accepted.

HistoryGirl2 · May 07, 2023, 12:53:45 PM

^Right, that?s why I said how they feel about the monarch not the Commonwealth itself. They can simply choose to not have him as their head of state.

wannable · May 07, 2023, 12:56:35 PM

Your talking about the realms, the commonwealth means common interests (and benefits). The realms that have turned republic, still belong to date to the commonwealth. Breaking entirely from the monarch means breaking with the commonwealth too, because Charles is the head of the commonwealth, elected*.

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n 1949 the London Declaration recognised the British Monarch as the symbol of the free association of independent member nations and as Head of the Commonwealth.

The 65 nations signed the declaration.

HistoryGirl2 · May 07, 2023, 01:04:00 PM

Quote from: Curryong on May 06, 2023, 10:28:53 PM
I?d say from overall observations from neighbours, friends etc, that there?s just a quiet apathy about the whole thing. Nobody terribly excited about the prospect on the run up to it or thinking it was going to be horrible either. A few people spoke on radio about the probable expense of it to the UK. The Queen was admired here, Charles not so much.

Of course for Australians the ceremony was last night. I didn?t start watching it until about 7:30 pm and I switched off my computer at about ten. Didn?t bother to watch the balcony scenes. And it?s now only about 8:20 am on Sunday morning. We are soon to have breakfast.

Nobody from the UK or here has rung me about it yet, as they would I think if they were terribly excited or overwhelmed. And, as I said, nobody I know spoke about it in the run up to the ceremony. I did phone a couple of relatives from Norfolk (England) in their 60s about a month ago and was gobsmacked when they both separately said Charles should pay for it himself! And they are quite fond of the RF and will probably watch it on TV. No special food or crocheted crowns though!

I do agree that there?s less charitable feelings toward him than toward the Queen. Quiet apathy is probably a good way of putting it for the majority of England. I think even non-royalists felt some respect for the Queen. I?m not sure non-royalists either hate or love Charles, just don?t really care about him one way or another.

And part of that is circumstances. It?s not his fault that he?s being crowned in his 70s and has done the majority of his work as the Prince of Wales. But the reality is what the reality is. I did feel terrible for thinking it, but I thought, ?Soon enough it?ll be William?s turn, I wonder what his coronation will be like.?

That?s my main question moving forward: will a reduced monarchy ala Denmark be able to withstand in England in the next century? Is toning it down like this a strategy that will be in their favor or against? It?ll really be interesting to see it unfold.

HistoryGirl2 · May 07, 2023, 01:09:18 PM

Quote from: wannable on May 07, 2023, 12:56:35 PM
Your talking about the realms, the commonwealth means common interests (and benefits). The realms that have turned republic, still belong to date to the commonwealth. Breaking entirely from the monarch means breaking with the commonwealth too, because Charles is the head of the commonwealth, elected*.

The 65 nations signed the declaration.

You can be a member of the Commonwealth and not have Charles as the head of state though. Some of the ones that still have him as the head of state could, in the future, choose to become republics; which is that I was referencing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43715079.amp

wannable · May 07, 2023, 01:12:41 PM

Hence it's called as I salid ''realms''

As of 2023, there are 15 Commonwealth realms: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.

The other 50 nations are commonwealth.

Two have entirely left the commonwealth.

Ireland and Zimbabwe are the only republic states to have withdrawn from the Commonwealth entirely.

TLLK · May 07, 2023, 01:15:07 PM

Quote from: wannable on May 07, 2023, 01:12:41 PM
Hence it's called as I salid ''realms''

As of 2023, there are 15 Commonwealth realms: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.

The other 50 nations are commonwealth.

Two have entirely left the commonwealth.

Ireland and Zimbabwe are the only republic states to have withdrawn from the Commonwealth entirely.

And I understand that Zimbabwe would like to return to the Commonwealth.

sara8150 · May 07, 2023, 01:15:47 PM

HistoryGirl2 · May 07, 2023, 01:15:56 PM

^^^Okay, I?m not really sure how that relates to what I said. I wasn?t talking about countries leaving the Commonwealth entirely. Just that the countries in the Commonwealth for whom he is the head of state could choose otherwise. It?s not a necessity to retain him as the head of state for them to be members of the Commonwealth, so the benefits of the Commonwealth don?t automatically go hand in hand with how they feel about him as a monarch.

TLLK · May 07, 2023, 01:19:34 PM

Turning to a purely sartorial theme, I truly hope that when official photos are released that we'll see one with the RVO(Royal Victorian Order) ladies: Camilla, Catherine, Sophie, Brigitta and Alexandra without the robes so we can see the details of their dresses. Of course we've seen Queen Camilla's dress and I'd love to see one of her attendants' dresses too.

Here's UFO's blog report Coronation of King Charles III and Queen Camilla ? UFO No More

For the rest of the ladies these were my standouts: For the top honors it's a tie between Zara Tindall (light blue) and Lady Gabriella Kingston (bright pink). Beatrice (fuchsia) and Louise (lavender and white) round out the next places. Eugenie (navy blue) wins for "best in maternity" and "comfort." Extremely challenging for an expectant mother to place an order months in advance and hope that the dress will still fit.

Camilla, Catherine and Charlotte's dresses all featured some heavy embroidery on the bodice or on the hem (not Charlotte's). I thought it fitting that the Queen has gold and the future Queen has silver. Charlotte and Sophie's dresses had white embroidery and I wouldn't be surprised if Brigitta and Alexandra's do as well.

Camilla's dress details incorporated the floral emblems, her children and grandchildren's names and her beloved Jack Russell terriers.

Catherine's dress details with the floral emblems of the four kingdoms: England-Rose, Scotland-Thistle, Wales-Daffodil/Leek and Northern Ireland-Shamrock. https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/f333a2061fe1c68ab7e101c39f06d9e7?width=650

wannable · May 07, 2023, 01:30:47 PM

Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on May 07, 2023, 01:04:00 PM
I do agree that there?s less charitable feelings toward him than toward the Queen. Quiet apathy is probably a good way of putting it for the majority of England. I think even non-royalists felt some respect for the Queen. I?m not sure non-royalists either hate or love Charles, just don?t really care about him one way or another.

And part of that is circumstances. It?s not his fault that he?s being crowned in his 70s and has done the majority of his work as the Prince of Wales. But the reality is what the reality is. I did feel terrible for thinking it, but I thought, ?Soon enough it?ll be William?s turn, I wonder what his coronation will be like.?

That?s my main question moving forward: will a reduced monarchy ala Denmark be able to withstand in England in the next century? Is toning it down like this a strategy that will be in their favor or against? It?ll really be interesting to see it unfold.

It doesn't matter if a King (or Queen) is being crowned at age 70. The constitutional monarchy's soft power is to maintain a stable government in place. If a Prime Minister goes rogue, the King (or Queen) will invite the people to form a new government rather than have a PM that's gone rogue, Boris weekly sorry before his demise, the regretful 2.5 month's PM or worst an 80 plus year old someone* ehem who has divided a country and it's about to implode. Recent history, what/how Boris had to ask QEII permission/retire/form a new government, the constitutional monarchy of how it's done, years for a new election or retirement of an actual party government to elect a 'member' of that same party, etc. It is part and parcel of the 'Constitutional Monarchy' The Monarch could be 90, he/she represents the stability of how a government works.

PM Rishi Sunak, 42 years old

HistoryGirl2 · May 07, 2023, 01:41:24 PM

^You?re right, in theory, a king could be crowned at any age. My point in bringing it up was that was part of what I personally felt made the event seem drab for me. For me, it felt like the end of something rather than a beginning. It felt like a literal crowning achievement for Charles whereas for Elizabeth, it felt like the beginning of a new age, with promise in store.

And you?re also right about what a monarchy should be in theory: about stability. But in practice, what people choose to support or stand behind doesn?t always equate to logic but also to emotion. I don?t see the emotional ties that people had to Elizabeth present in Charles. He?s worked hard for the monarchy for the vast majority of his life, just like Elizabeth. The difference being that he did it as the Prince of Wales not king.

It could be that he has a wonderful reign and he?ll be remembered as one of England?s great kings?no one can predict the future. I?m just saying that as things currently stand, I don?t personally see him as anyone that could fill the shoes of Elizabeth in the eyes of the public. And it?s hardly fair to ask him to do so, as with his advanced age, it?s likely he won?t even have the time to even attempt to do so.