Prince Andrew-A New Chapter

[TLLK]

Welcome to the Prince Andrew-A New Chapter. This thread can be used to discuss his life now that he's no longer a working member of the BRF. Please keep discussion and postings about his legal issues in the appropriate thread. Thank you.

Legal issues thread for Prince Andrew The Duke of York's Legal Issues Part Two

[TLLK]

Old video footage of a bearded Prince Andrew from 1985 prior to his marriage to Sarah Ferguson. He's a helicopter pilot on HMS Brazen. However I don't see him taking up flying again as a volunteer like his nephew was for EAA.

Video: Archive footage shows Prince Andrew Duke of York fly helicopters while on active service in the Royal Navy | Daily Mail Online

If you have any suggestions as to what Andrew might consider doing with his time as he begins his New Chapter in life, share them here.

[Curryong]

I can?t see Andrew doing that much with his life from now on, to be honest. After Covid he may travel a bit, play golf a lot, privately invest what money he has left and perhaps play the Stockmarket (following advice) to do so. I can?t see him in any paid position anywhere.

He could do some unsung charity work I suppose as ex minister John Profumo did in the 1960s ?Profumo Affair? that wrecked the Macmillan govt. Profumo redeemed himself by doing that for several decades, but I really can?t see that being Andrew?s cup of tea, and, with the media the way they are now, who would take the chance of employing him in such a position?

He?s likely to be a peripheral royal figure from now on, only seen every now and again at Sandringham and Balmoral at royal family get togethers. He has grandchildren and is likely to have more, so may spend time with them playing grandpa as they grow up.. 

[TLLK]

e could do some unsung charity work I suppose as ex minister John Profumo did in the 1960s ?Profumo Affair? that wrecked the Macmillan govt. Profumo redeemed himself by doing that for several decades, but I really can?t see that being Andrew?s cup of tea, and, with the media the way they are now, who would take the chance of employing him in such a position?

Like you @Curryong, I doubt that Andrew would be satisfied with unsung charity work, but it might be the only option for him now. It would have to be kept very quiet and he's really limited his options at this point.

The first thing that comes to mind is a way to support veterans from the Falkland War who like Andrew are in their late 50's early 60's and up. No doubt some of them are in need of assistance at this point in their lives.

[TLLK]

And the prize goes to @Curryong for predicting that Prince Andrew will look to rehabilitate his image like John Profumo!.. :bday:

I hope that Prince Andrew has brought his rubber gloves to do the washing up!

Friends insist Prince Andrew is plotting a spectacular 'John Profumo-style' comeback | Daily Mail Online

Ex-minister Profumo began from the ground up which might not suit Andrew.

He started washing dishes at Toynbee Hall, an east London charitable trust, before going on to become the charity?s chairman and, eventually, president.

His work with Toynbee Hall, which helps people facing poverty and injustice, helped to restore his reputation and he was given a CBE in 1975.

[Blue Clover]

I saw this article Sarah Ferguson and Prince Andrew remarriage? Duke told it 'might be most sensible move' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk stating that Prince Andrew's best move would be to remarry Fergie. I don't get it, how would that help rebuild his image?

[Curryong]

It might happen, TLLK, but I just can?t see Andrew standing over a sink somewhere washing up piles of dirty dishes and tea-stained cups for several years.

[TLLK]

It might happen, TLLK, but I just can?t see Andrew standing over a sink somewhere washing up piles of dirty dishes and tea-stained cups for several years.

To be honest neither can I so he will likely just continue to be seen riding at Windsor for the future.

[sara8150]

Palace officials mull ways of axing Andrew and Harry as two of the four Counsellors of State | Daily Mail Online

An Act of Parliament would be needed to remove Andrew and Harry, perhaps replacing them with Princess Anne and the Duchess of Cornwall.

?There could be events later this year which make such a change necessary,? says the source, who declined to elaborate further.

The position of Counsellor of State was provided for in 1937 under the terms of the Regency Act.

Prior to 1937, Regency Acts were drafted and passed only in necessity.

As such, there had been nine separate Regency Acts to cover various eventualities since 1728.

Shortly after George VI came to the throne in 1936, a new Regency Act was passed which provided a rule for all future reigns.

It was at this time that the new office of Counsellor of State was created to cover short term absences where a regency would be unnecessary.

Counsellors of State are authorised to carry out most of the official duties of the Sovereign, for example, attending Privy Council meetings, signing routine documents and receiving the credentials of new ambassadors to the United Kingdom.

The position of Counsellor of State was provided for in 1937 under the terms of the Regency Act.

Prior to 1937, Regency Acts were drafted and passed only in necessity.

As such, there had been nine separate Regency Acts to cover various eventualities since 1728.

Shortly after George VI came to the throne in 1936, a new Regency Act was passed which provided a rule for all future reigns.

It was at this time that the new office of Counsellor of State was created to cover short term absences where a regency would be unnecessary.

[LouisFerdinand]

Who broke the news to Prince Andrew about his future?   
Here's Who Broke The Bad News To Prince Andrew About His Future - YouTube

[sara8150]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-18/andrew-can-deputise-for-queen-despite-no-royal-patronages-how-it-works

[TLLK]

Prince Andrew disappears from social media ? Royal Central

The Duke of York?s official social media accounts have started to disappear.

it?s just a week since a US judge ruled he must face a civil trial over allegations of sexual assault, claims Prince Andrew denies. Within hours of that court decision being made, the prince was removed from all his royal patronages and military appointments, and had to stop using HRH in an official capacity.

Now, Prince Andrew?s Twitter has been removed.

The official account, @TheDukeofYork has gone. Visitors to the profile, where Andrew used to sign off personal tweets with AY, are greeted with a message saying it no longer exists.

Meanwhile, the Duke?s official Instagram, @hrhthedukeofyork, is now a private account. His Facebook page remains online but hasn?t been updated in over two years. A link on there to his official website now takes visitors to a short biography of him on the official Royal Family website.

In the statement announcing that the Duke of York would no longer hold royal patronages, Buckingham Palace said he would defend the civil court case as a ?private citizen?. No further official comment on Prince Andrew has since been made.



   

[Blue Clover]

Andrew is experiencing the full impact of his actions, perhaps for the first time in his life. I watched an early interview about this situation, and he seemed flip and dismissive about the seriousness of the Epstein situation, probably thinking there would be no consequences.

[TLLK]

Camilla Tominey's views on Prince Andrew's new chapter in life.

Why Prince Andrew's Royal career is now officially over - YouTube

Whatever hopes remained of restoring Prince Andrew's reputation have now effectively vanished.

A recent court ruling by a New York judge means the Duke is facing a civil case in the United States over allegations he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre when she was 17. Within 24 hours of that decision, Buckingham Palace issued a statement confirming he would be stripped of all Royal titles and patronages.

By fighting the case as a private individual, the Queen's second son will be protecting the Monarchy on the year of the Platinum Jubilee celebrations.

But even if he is exonerated in any future hearing or in the event of an out-of-court settlement, Prince Andrew is unlikely to return as a working Royal.

[TLLK]

More stories are emerging from former staff members who worked for the DoY. A former BP maid was assigned to work for him after his divorce and realized that no one wanted the position due to his behavior. However she found that his brothers Charles and Edward were very easy to work for by contrast.

Prince Andrew's former maid speaks of her time in Buckingham Palace | Daily Mail Online

By comparison, Ms Briggs said that the Duke's brothers Charles and Edward, as well as other royals she encountered during her time at the palace, were 'wonderful'.

She began working at Buckingham Palace in 1996 when she was 21, but within six months was tasked with being Andrew's maid; a job that 'nobody wanted,' she said.

At the time, Andrew was 36 and had recently divorced from Sarah Ferguson. He would frequently fly off the handle and expected everything to be done for him.

Ms Briggs, from Halifax, broke her silence to The Sun after Prince Andrew was stripped of his military titles amid a sex assault lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre in the United States.

[Curryong]

I don?t know whether this is the right thread for this report. However, as news comes in from the UK Parliament with regard to a change of title for Andrew (the MP for York asked a question about the 1917 Deprivation of Titles Act with a view to Andrew no longer being the Duke of York) a school in Novia Scotia Canada is about to be renamed.

Canada high school named after Prince Andrew will rename - CNN

And a horse race on the course at York will apparently reflect the name of one of Andrew?s predecessors as Duke, not him.

[TLLK]

@Curryong This is the appropriate thread to discuss the name changes.

[Blue Clover]

I do wonder if Andrew will lose his position as the Duke of York. He will never return to royal life as it was in the past.

[Amabel2]

I do wonder if Andrew will lose his position as the Duke of York. He will never return to royal life as it was in the past.

Im sure parliament has other things to do than to take away the peerage.....

[wannable]

It's very likely in the list, individuals and organizations multitask since ages ago. Some items/tasks in a what to do list are quick others take months, years, It doesn't mean that it won't be discussed/voted upon. 

IF Parliament doesn't multitask, the UK would be in 'real' shambles. I can't remember the 'word' Parliament uses when an 'urgent' matter has to be fixed, then everything else is put on hold until i.e. Pandemic, Lockdown was agreed and legally mandated announced, emailed to media outlets, the official website, etc., then back to business as usual multitasking.

[Amabel2]

it has nothing to do wiht multi tasking.  Parliament has important stuff to do, taking away a peerage is not that important in the great scheme of things.  And I can't see Andrew doing a Profumo, doing quiet charity work... even if He DID, I think that he wouldnt be welcome anywhere in today's culture.

[Curryong]

Most of the work done in the Commons doesn?t actually take place within the Commons chamber  but in Parliamentary and Party Committees. The majority Party Whips set the weekly agenda, MPs get through as much as possible and the rest is shelved for another day, or year.

Andrew?s peerage would not even be listed as up for discussion imo . Taking away a peerage is complicated by the fact that as things stand at the moment the bill would have to pass the legislature of all the Queen?s realms as well as the UK Parliament. I don?t think there is any will for that in the RF (the Queen especially) or within Parliament. Everyone in those quarters would much rather that the scandal faded away. 

As for Andrew washing dirty teacups John Profumo was apparently a deeply religious fellow who felt that serving in that humble fashion to begin with would help both himself and his fellow man. I can?t see Andrew having the same impulses. I just think he will lay fallow for a while then perhaps in his brother?s reign try to serve as a director on a few company boards. IMO that?s the most he can hope for in the next few years.

[Amabel2]

I thnk it doesnt matter if Andrew was willing to do something like that. IN today's culture it seems that one can never be forgiven for things, and I think if he did take up a volunteer position, he would be forced out of it.

[TLLK]

Moderator note-For now any news about the York family being involved in this high court ruling should be placed in this thread.


Just when I thought there was an end to the oh so  BULKY  DoY's  issues, this comes to light.


Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah have been named in a ruling on a High Court case featuring an elderly Turkish woman and a Turkish businessman based in London.

A judge was told that "substantial sums" had been paid to Andrew and to Sarah, Duchess of York.

Deputy High Court judge David Halpern has named them in a recent ruling on the case, a dispute between Nebahat Isbilen, who is in her 70s, and businessman Selman Turk.

Mrs Isbilen had needed assistance moving her assets out of Turkey after her husband was imprisoned there owing to his "political affiliations", the judge had been told.

Mr Turk, a businessman and former banker, had agreed to help Mrs Isbilen move her assets out of reach of the Turkish authorities.

Mrs Isbilen has alleged that Mr Turk "breached fiduciary obligations he owed to her" and "advances claims in deceit".

Mr Turk is fighting the case.

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Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie have been dragged into a multi-million pound fraud case that has embroiled their father, amid claims they also received money.
The Telegraph can reveal that a ?750,000 payment transferred into the Duke of York's account on the orders of an alleged Turkish fraudster was described to bankers as a wedding gift for his eldest daughter, Princess Beatrice.
Princess Eugenie was also paid ?25,0000 on the orders of Selman Turk, a former Goldman Sachs banker accused of stealing ?40 million from Nebahat Evyap Isbilen, a 77-year-old Turkish millionairess.
The York family have all been named in a High Court battle by Mrs Isbilen to retrieve her missing millions from Mr Turk.
In proceedings revealed by The Telegraph, the Duke is alleged to have received a total of ?1.1 million from Mrs Isbilen's funds, while his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York has received ?225,000


The new revelations are the first time that the princesses have been dragged into allegations of ?suspicious? financial deals surrounding the Duke.
It comes just days after the Duke escorted the Queen at a memorial service for his father, the Duke of Edinburgh, in what was seen as an attempt to begin his rehabilitation following a purported ?12 million payment to settle a case with his sex abuse accuser.
Neither Princess Beatrice nor Princess Eugenie are believed to have had any knowledge of their parents' dealings with Mr Turk, nor knowingly corresponded with him in any way.
The Duchess is understood to be distraught at the thought of her daughters being unwittingly dragged into the case, particularly as a result of their parents' actions.
However, The Telegraph understands that she does not plan to hand back the money she received, because she believes it was paid to her legitimately and that a company she was acting for as a brand ambassador is responsible for any debt.
Mr Turk is accused of taking the money from Mrs Isbilen, who was fleeing political persecution in her homeland and put her trust in him as her financial adviser.
Court documents obtained by The Telegraph show that the first payment to the Yorks, which could have come from Mrs Isbilen?s missing millions, may have been made to the Duchess in August 2019.
A series of payments were made through a third party, Alphabet Capital, limited to the family over the course of the next few months. It is alleged the payments were made from Mrs Isbilen?s funds.
Jonathan Tickner, the head of fraud and commercial disputes at Peters & Peters, representing Mrs Isbilen, has told the court that bank statements obtained by his legal team show that Princess Eugenie was paid ?25,000 over the course of two days.
The first ?10,000 transfer was made on October 9 through the Alphabet account. The next day, a payment of ?15,066.05 was made from Mr Turk?s account to ?EUGENIE YORK? under the reference ?BIRTHDAY GIFT?.
Sources close to the family say the payment of more than ?15,000 listed as a birthday gift to Princess Eugenie made on October 10 2019 was in fact to pay for a surprise birthday party for the Duchess. Princess Eugenie?s birthday is on March 23, whilst the Duchess' is on October 15.
Mrs Isbilen did make a direct payment of ?750,000 to the Duke in November 2019, which she believed was for help obtaining a new Turkish passport after she fled her homeland.
?Mr Turk told me that he received help from the Duke of York to show or send the picture of my old passport to Turkey and that this service would normally be worth ?2 million, but it would cost less if we made the payment by way of a gift,? she told the High Court.
However, when he contacted her bank, Mr Turk told them that this money was in fact for a wedding gift for Princess Beatrice, who had got engaged two months earlier.

[Curryong]

The news just doesn?t get any better for Andrew does it, in spite of his escorting of his mother to his father?s memorial service, disgusting all the tabloids, lol. And in this latest scandal it appears that Fergie was, as usual mired eye-deep in the mud. She and Andrew and filthy lucre have a fatal attraction! He seems to have enjoyed a great many corrupt activities over the years.